1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: This is the Fitsy in Whip with Kate Richie podcast. 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 2: Multiple deaths following several stabbings, and as soon as the 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: gunshots went off, that was when everyone just ran into 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 2: the shops. 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: Very chaotic scenes here at Bondi Junction. 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 3: Absolutely it is, and we are joined right now. There's 7 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 3: a makeshift memorial that's been set up of course at 8 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: bond Di Junction as we recognize the tragedy that played 9 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 3: out on Saturday. Michelle Stevenson is down the Michelle, thank 10 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 3: you for making your way down there this morning. 11 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: Problem. 12 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 3: Obviously, people are gathering, flowers are being laid, and there's 13 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 3: tears and moments to stand still and have a look 14 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 3: back at what happened here as we think of the victims. 15 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 16 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Look, we just had a little girl dropping some 17 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: flowers off. She was in her school uniform. I can 18 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: tell you it's quite eerie. I mean, this is normally 19 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: hustling and bustling just as people are getting to work. 20 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: We do have a large police presence at this moment, 21 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: but we have heard that the police have handed it 22 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: back over to Westfield. 23 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: It is no longer a crime scene. 24 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: So whenever they desired to open that up We will 25 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: find that out, hopefully in the coming days. But you know, 26 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: this is a community that is been completely rocked. I 27 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: live in this community. Like you'd be hard pressed to 28 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 2: find anyone who has not been affected by this. My 29 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: young son was on Level six at a friend's birthday 30 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: party when it was all going on. 31 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: He just managed to get out. 32 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: Cops were running past him, you know, and I just 33 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: keep thinking if it was fifteen minutes. 34 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: Later, because it was nearby to where it all kind 35 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: of transpired. 36 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 3: Of course, you know, you think too, Michelle, the situation 37 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 3: of the timing of your son, but also whether the 38 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 3: incident involved him, or whether they were even to see something. 39 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: We saw the footage of the father who covered the 40 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 3: eyes of his daughters as they walked away another powerful image. 41 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 42 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean this is all of his friends. They're 43 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: all moving into high school. They hang out of them 44 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 2: all on the weekends. They were trapped. We have friends 45 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: whose children were trapped in stairwells. Another friend, his daughter 46 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: works Lulu Lammon where it all happened. She was locked 47 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: in a storeroom. She had to step over bodies to leave. 48 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: I mean she's sixteen. This is stuff that these kids 49 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: will will not be able to get over. 50 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it is just effect in the community. I'm 51 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: trying not to get. 52 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: A little upset about it because this is really affecting 53 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: a lot of us who live here. 54 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: But you know, we've heard some great stories as well. 55 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 2: As it was all happening, people their cars were locked right, 56 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 2: so people were offering lefts. People were trying to get 57 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 2: everyone out of there. My other girlfriend, who manages a store, 58 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 2: you know, unfortunately, was there witnessing Dawn. 59 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: Who passed away. She said it was horrific. 60 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 2: So these are things that are going to be etched 61 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 2: in sydneyside as minds for a very long time. And 62 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: it's very reminiscent of almost ten years ago the Lint 63 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 2: Cafe siege. We've got these flowers. They're just really building 64 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 2: up here. People are stopping by. There's even a table 65 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: where people can leave condolence messages. It's it's just you're 66 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 2: just really seeing people come together. 67 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 5: Any all information on Joel care actually the attacker, and 68 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 5: has his family come out and spoken, Michelle, You know. 69 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: Yes, So his family released a statement saying, you know, 70 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: they he'd had mental health issues since he was seventeen 71 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: and he'd really battled with that they harbored no ill 72 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: will towards the police officer who shot him. I think 73 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 2: they're trying to piece it together. They were the ones 74 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: who actually saw the vision of him and came forward 75 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: to the police, reached out to the police and said 76 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: that's my son. You know, we do know. The sixth 77 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: person who was murdered has been identified. It was a 78 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: Chinese student. So we're just seeing that come in, you know, 79 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: just the faces, the refugee who was on his first 80 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: day working as a security guard, you know, trying to 81 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: protect people and do the job, just tragically losing his 82 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: life one year in this country, escaping Pakistan. I mean, 83 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: this is just there's so many stories coming out and 84 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: I think it's going to reverberate for a very long time. 85 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 3: Michelle, You're right. I mean to think of that the 86 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 3: family of sorry I've forgotten his first name, the attacker, Joel. 87 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 3: To think of the family sitting at home watching this 88 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 3: unfold live on TV, not knowing that it was their son. Yeah, 89 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 3: then having to make a phone call saying I can 90 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: to identify that person that's my son. 91 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 2: Well yeah, and I know this is going to be 92 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: bigger issues where we talk about mental health and how 93 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 2: we deal with mental health in this country. I know 94 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 2: those are the conversations when we kind of kind of 95 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: get over this a little bit more, we can have 96 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: those wider conversations. But let me tell you, there's people 97 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: right now walking up, more people dropping flowers off. Just 98 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: the scene here is a somber one. I mean, this 99 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 2: is this is a major hub, and we're not seeing 100 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 2: it as active and lively as it normally is. 101 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: I've got to say that's eerie. 102 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's very valuable to have something like 103 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 4: that there at Bondi Junction today. 104 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 2: Yes, and it's so beautiful to see that. You know, 105 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: people are really coming together. 106 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 3: Thank you, Michell. We know it's a tough one this morning, Cad. 107 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 3: I know you had some back and forth with some 108 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: friends that are in the area at the time. 109 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 4: I did well. I mean, the first phone call I 110 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 4: received from my dad was to check that I wasn't there, 111 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 4: because it is a local shopping precinct for me. I 112 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 4: randomly was calling a girlfriend who I was meant to 113 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 4: be having dinner with that evening, two girlfriends in fact, 114 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 4: and both of those women their teenage daughters were at 115 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 4: the center and I think what is incredibly frightening is 116 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 4: that that center was probably full of lots of you know, 117 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 4: lots of young young people, young kids hanging out at 118 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 4: the mall as you do on a Saturday afternoon, and 119 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 4: parents not being able to check in and know their whereabouts, 120 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 4: but seeing things unfold on the news. I know that 121 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 4: one girlfriend in particular, she received she just started receiving 122 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 4: text messages from her daughter about three point forty saying 123 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 4: please do not call me, which had been an instruction 124 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 4: from the people that she was with, Please don't call me. 125 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 4: There's a gunman in the center. The whole place is 126 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 4: in lockdown. We don't know what to do, but we're 127 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 4: locked somewhere, And that was the only communication that they 128 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 4: had received. 129 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 3: Of course, they. 130 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 4: Didn't then want to put in a phone call because 131 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 4: the instruction had been to help you, but not to call. 132 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 4: And then when they finally did make contact or they 133 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 4: could hear of their young fourteen year old daughter on 134 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 4: the other end of the line was the evacuate single 135 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 4: signal and the sound of the sound of her running. 136 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 4: So that period of time where there was not a 137 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 4: great deal of information, I think everybody's minds were running wild, 138 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 4: and as you said, everybody checking in to make sure 139 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 4: that everyone was okay. But I think that no matter 140 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 4: who you are or where you live in Sydney, there's 141 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 4: someone that you know, there was some one that you 142 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 4: did check in on and someone that you were worried about. 143 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 4: I do think that yesterday generally was a very sad, 144 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 4: somber day, certainly a flat day for everybody body wondering 145 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 4: what could have been and how everyone of us traveling. 146 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 5: To try to fathom what's going through a man's mind 147 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 5: when that is happening. And now this is the thing 148 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 5: that you just can't You can't understand how he can 149 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 5: avoid other people and then attack others. But this, you know, 150 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 5: it is a sickness. We have spoken about this before 151 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 5: and he wasn't completely sane. But for those people to 152 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 5: witness that, not to know where to go. Michelle, who 153 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 5: works on our show, is down at Bondi Junction. Now 154 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 5: there has been flowers being laid all morning. Still Michelle, 155 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 5: thank you for joining joining us again. 156 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: Michelle. 157 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 5: Is the precinct going to be open today? Will it 158 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 5: be open or is it still close? 159 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: Look, we have no word of that. 160 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: We do know that it is no longer a crime scene, 161 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: but so it has been handed back over to the center. Look, 162 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: I can only imagine it will at least be a 163 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: couple of days. I know that individual stores have sent 164 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: out messages saying that they won't be opening for a while. 165 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: Yet. 166 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: It's still very much a strong police presence here. There's 167 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: a lot of police around, not as many people, but 168 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: we are seeing a lot of people stopping, dropping flowers off, 169 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: having a moment's silence, just really reflecting on what transpired 170 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: over the weekend. You know, it's just a tragedy that 171 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: has really kind of rocked this community. It is a 172 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: community that is kind of very solid, and I know, Kate, 173 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 2: you were just speaking about all the messages we set 174 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: up like a phone tree. We were just making sure 175 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 2: everyone was accounted for that we knew of. And at 176 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 2: that point, you know, we were hearing that it was 177 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 2: it was a gunman, it was an active shooting. 178 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: So you know, and that's what happens. 179 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: As soon as something of this maygne that you'd kind 180 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,479 Speaker 2: of transpires, you just think the worst and the information 181 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 2: that gets out there immediately is it can be quite frightening. 182 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: But like the children, they're the ones who are the 183 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: ones who are going to have to kind of face this. 184 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 2: I know my son's school has already sent out an 185 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 2: email for counseling services that are going to be provided 186 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: for children who may be affected. The local high school 187 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 2: as well. Lots of children were up here. They were 188 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: caught in stairwells, they were you know, they were taking 189 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: photos as well. 190 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: They have vision that they're going to see this. 191 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: So in some ways, it's kind of good that school 192 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: is out for the next two weeks because it means, 193 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: you know, they're. 194 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: Going to be able to not be at school talking 195 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: about it. 196 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 3: Michelle, can I ask we talk about police Inspector Amy Scott. 197 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 3: He's been a police she's been with the force for 198 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 3: nineteen years. She was doing it. She was on duty, 199 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: I believe, doing routine service for alcohol checks at one 200 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: of the local establishments nearby when it came through the radio. 201 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 3: Do we know much more about Amy and what she did. 202 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: No, we don't know much more, but we do know 203 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: and you've seen that vision of just this woman running 204 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: toward police officer, Loan police officer running towards Joel because 205 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: she knew that there. 206 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: Was something wrong. 207 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just unfathomable, the bravery that that would 208 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: take just to kind of get there, and you know, 209 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 2: just being forced because he was there with a knife 210 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 2: and being forced to kind of take him down, and 211 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 2: then offering assistance, rendering cep Are trying to see if 212 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: he's okay, but then realizing that there was nothing more 213 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: that she could do, and then moving on to other 214 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 2: victims to try and help them. And we've heard those stories. 215 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: They're just incredibly harrying. I mean, just the young mum. 216 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 2: You know just what it would take. You're nine month 217 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: old has been stabbed, you've been stabbed, Just what it 218 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 2: would take to hand that young child over to someone 219 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: else and just say safe, save her. 220 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: And we know that she's still in intensive care. 221 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: There's about five people still in intensive care. Of the 222 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: eight that went to hospital, three have already been discharged. 223 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 2: So we're still hoping that there's going to be some 224 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: good news for that young bob. 225 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: But it's just awful. 226 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 4: I do think that is in particular, one of the 227 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 4: stories that people thought a lot about yesterday, with a 228 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 4: young mother who had just been back just back to 229 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 4: work after taking her maternity leave and for something like 230 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 4: this to happen for her and for all of the families. Really, 231 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 4: it's just it's it's just so awful. 232 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 3: We're right. That does relieve. Sorry, that does leave. As 233 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 3: you mentioned, quite a lot of the injured still in 234 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: hospital with their stories to be released, so no doubt 235 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 3: we'll find out a lot more. Michelle, Thank you so much. 236 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: Not an easy one this morning. Appreciate your time. It's 237 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: Whipper with Kate Ritchie is a Nova podcast walk great 238 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 3: shows like this. Download the Nova Player, find the App 239 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 3: store or Google Playing.