1 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Christinamio. 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, December tenth. The former Israeli Foreign Minister Sippylivney 3 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: says strong leadership is the antidote to antisemitism. Her comments 4 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: followed the establishment of an antisemitism task Force by Prime 5 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: Minister Anthony Albanesi. He capitulated to three days of demands 6 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: to take decisive action after Melbourne's Great Synagogue was firebomb plus. 7 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: Peter Dutton declared the Coalition will deport migrants who are 8 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: deemed antisemitic if the Opposition gets up at the next election. 9 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: That exclusive interview with Sippylivney is live right now at 10 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: the Australian dot com dot au. It took Syrian rebels 11 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: just twenty four hours to bring half a century of 12 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: tyranny to a stunning conclusion. The world watches and waits 13 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: to see who feels the massive political vacuum created by 14 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: the end of the Assad regime. That's today's story. On 15 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: Sunday evening, the streets of Southwest Sydney, the city's Syrian 16 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: communities lit up. They were celebrating the fall of a 17 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: ruthless regime. And the demise of a dictator who ruled 18 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: Syria for more than five decades. For some residents who 19 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: spoke to the Australians reporters Lea Mendez and Joanna Panagopolis, 20 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: it was a moment of jubilation because the Catufrinda not 21 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: in jail, because twenty four million people. 22 00:01:58,920 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: Actually the. 23 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: Mohammed el Humwi says he plans to return to his 24 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: home country for the first time in four decades. But 25 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: for others like Assyrian refugee Simon Shaheen, it's a time 26 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: of fear, interrepidation. 27 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 3: So when there's no government, no system in place to 28 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 3: protect the innocent, it becomes like wilderness. It's a huge 29 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 3: political vacuum. Who was going to fill it? It's going 30 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 3: to be insurgents and rebels who are radical and extremist 31 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 3: mentality and agendas, and they are armed to the teeth. 32 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 2: Well Christian. It really means a new balance of power 33 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: in the Middle East because Syria has been a stalwart 34 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: companion ally of the so called Actus of Evil, which 35 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: is between Hezbollah, Iran and Russia, who have been its 36 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: three major allies. 37 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: Karon Stewart is the Australian's Chief International correspondent. 38 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: So, in other words, by Syria collapsing in a spectacular way, 39 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 2: it has a Syrian regime. It's really robbed those three 40 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 2: entities of their power in the Middle East, and that's 41 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 2: a huge shift in the balance of power. 42 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: If you tuned into Syria's state television station in the 43 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: early hours of Sunday morning, you'd have heard a familiar tune. 44 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: It was Tchaikowsky's Swan Lake playing on loop. The office 45 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: of President Bashah al Assad said he was tied up 46 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: with constitutional tasks. In reality, he was on the lamb 47 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: his wife and children in tow as the regime his 48 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: family spent fifty three years building crumbled. 49 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 4: Syria's government has collapsed after a lightning offensive by rebel 50 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 4: forces over the past week. People are celebrating the end 51 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 4: to the fifty year a sad rule in the streets. 52 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 4: After the capital Damascus fell. 53 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: Rebel fighters took up officers in the Syrian capital's lavish 54 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: presidential palace and gleefully looted a fleet of luxury cars 55 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: from Assad's private collection. No they unlocked dungeon prisons, freeing 56 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: those held captive for years under the regime. Civilians poured 57 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: into the streets of Damascus waving flags and chanting in victory, 58 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: and a week after rebel forces first swept into Aleppo, 59 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: the leaders who toppled this brutal regime in less than 60 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: twenty four hours joined in the celebrations. The ousted president 61 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: re emerged in Russia on morning, having been granted political 62 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: asylum by the Kremlin. 63 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: He really was a truly brutal dictator. He didn't start 64 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: out necessarily being like that. He was actually an eye doctor, 65 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 2: but of course he got canapulted into that position, succeeding 66 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 2: his father after his elder brother died, and he became 67 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 2: harder and harder and harder as a dictator as the 68 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: years went on, and the big threat to him of was, 69 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 2: of course, the Arab Spring in twenty eleven, where pro 70 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: democracy protesters looked like they might topple him, and he 71 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: came back very very hard, got his allies Russia and 72 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 2: Iran and Hezbollah to crush the resistance movement, but he 73 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: used chemical weapons on his own people. Some three hundred 74 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: thousand people arrestimated to have died during that conflict between 75 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: twenty eleven and twenty eight, and he was one of 76 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: the most dictators in the world, and even though there's 77 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 2: a lot of uncertainty about what happens now in Syria, 78 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 2: and you know, what are these rebels going to actually be? Like? 79 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 2: I think there's general celebration in the West and certainly 80 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 2: in Syria that this despot has been toppled. 81 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: Coming up, what this historic defeat means for the Middle East. 82 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: The demise of the Assad regime isn't a story about 83 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: good triumphing over evil. There are several groups with a 84 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: vested interest in what happens in Syria, but no clear winners. 85 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: Chief among them is Higher to Rear al Sham or HTS, 86 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: hardest group from northwest Syria with links to the terrorist 87 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: group Al Qaeda. They're responsible for mounting the stunning resurgence 88 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: that ultimately led to Assad's downfall. There's Russia, which has 89 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: air and naval bases dotted along Syria's Mediterranean coast, but 90 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: was otherwise occupied and failed to send back up as Aleppo, 91 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: Hammer and Homs fell. In the southwest, Lebanon's proxy militia, Hezbollah, 92 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: has lost a powerful ally and the land that connection 93 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: affords it. To the north, Turkey has been given an 94 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: opening to expand its influence in the region by backing 95 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: the ascendant rebel groups like HTS in Iraq. There are 96 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: concerns the Syrian revolt could inspire similar action by Sunni Muslims, 97 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: and there are the Kurdish and Alouite Syrian factions whose 98 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: fight for survival is not yet done. Further afield, the 99 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: United States has already taken steps to prevent the koreation 100 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: of a new extremist Islamic state, conducting air strikes on 101 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: ISIS camps in central Syria. 102 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 3: We're cleared eyed about the fact that ISIS will try 103 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: to take advantages of the vacuum to re establish this 104 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 3: capabilities to create a safe Hayman. We will not let 105 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: that happen. 106 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: And in Israel, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanya, who took credit 107 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: for the chain of events he says ultimately led to 108 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: Asad's demise. 109 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 2: This is a. 110 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: Historic day for the Middle East. 111 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: It's set off a chain reaction of all those who 112 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: want to free themselves from this tyranny and its oppression. 113 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 2: No one knows how this group will govern. This is 114 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 2: a massive vacuum of power. I mean they controlled a 115 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: very small area up in the northwest of the country, 116 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 2: very very different to control all of Syria. And what 117 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 2: I think is really interesting in the last twenty four 118 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 2: hours Christian Is we've seen the nations around Syria really 119 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 2: take steps to protect their own interests. We've seen Israel 120 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: go into the demilitarized zone between Syria and Israel that 121 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: was created back in nineteen seventy four and move beyond that, 122 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: moving its troops actually into Syrian soil. And they're saying 123 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 2: this is a temporary move, but they are doing it 124 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: because they don't want to be threatened on their border 125 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 2: by a militant group. And then on the other side, 126 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: we've had the Americans who've got a thousand troops in 127 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 2: eastern Syria. They've been bombing Islamic State camps in eastern Syria, 128 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: and the message they're trying to say there is don't 129 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 2: let Islamic State join with this new rebel group that's 130 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,599 Speaker 2: taken over Syria. And on top of that, the Iraqis 131 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: have closed their border and the Turkish forces had a 132 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: skirmish with the Kurdish forces who are up in the 133 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: northeast of the country. So, if you like, everyone suddenly 134 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: reacting to this incredible victory by their Eble forces by 135 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: protecting their own interests. And I think that goes to 136 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 2: your original question. No one knows exactly what is going 137 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: to happen next. 138 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: And to that point, this is an one of those 139 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: questions that likely doesn't yet have an answer. But there 140 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: is a conflict already raging in the Middle East that 141 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: is primarily Israel and Hamas in Gaza. How does that 142 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: play into all of this? Is that dynamic likely to 143 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: shift now or is this likely to become part of 144 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: a wider conflict. 145 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because Israel is now conducting some air 146 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: strikes as well in Syria to destroy some of the 147 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 2: military apparatus that the Asarz regim had, and that's to 148 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: make sure that this new rebel group doesn't get those 149 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 2: armaments and if it was inclined to attack Israel, that 150 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 2: it can't attack Israel. So Israel is trying to make 151 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: sure that this new front in Syria doesn't become another 152 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 2: front in its own conflicts against Kamas in Gaza and 153 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: of course Hesbela in Lebanon. And of course the reason 154 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: why Asad's infall in part was because Hesbellah backed him well. 155 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 2: But now Hesbelar is completely and utterly frozen. In Lebanon. 156 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: It's a ceasefire agreement and so there's not going to 157 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: be any movement on that front. So I think Israel 158 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 2: will now try and shore up Syria and then it 159 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 2: will pay attention to Hamasin Gaza, which is really the 160 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 2: biggest frat it has at the moment. 161 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: Camaron Stewart is The Australian's chief international correspondent. This story 162 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: is developing quickly. You can read our comprehensive reporting and 163 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: analysis anytime at the Australian dot com dot au