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Speaker 1: For twenty five of those years, I was catching killers.

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Speaker 1: That's what I did for a living. I was a

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Speaker 1: Join me now as I take you into this world.

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Speaker 1: What does it actually take to be the best in

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Speaker 1: the world. We're back with Jeff Feneck diving into the

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Speaker 1: brutal reality of prize fighting, the dark side of fame,

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Speaker 1: Jeff's take on why Jim is the best cure for

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Speaker 1: a life of crime. Jeff Finnick, Welcome back, Part two.

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Speaker 1: I Catch Killers. I've enjoyed enjoyed Part one During the break,

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Speaker 1: we had a look at the what I would describe

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Speaker 1: Hall of fame, sorry, hall of fame, lots of people

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Speaker 1: you've met throughout your career. This is I suppose, part

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Speaker 1: where to start, but let's pick out Donald Trump. He's

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Speaker 1: There's a photo of you and Donald the.

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Speaker 2: Fights, Mike Tyson. There's another another of me, Don King

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Speaker 2: I was pretty lucky, like I said, I was world chieving,

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Speaker 2: I was my Tysan's best friends. Everybody treated to be

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Speaker 2: When I see when I used to see Marvin Hagler

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Speaker 1: You made And you've just readdle off the legends in

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Speaker 2: Of Roberta Joane loves you. That's when you know you

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Speaker 1: And the Roberto Juranne he was one of your favorite fighters.

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Speaker 2: I loved him.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Okay, Mike Tyson,

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Speaker 2: When I went to fight Nelson Nelson, Yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: He's a force of nature. But I would imagine that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just wish I was there earlier. But

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Speaker 1: How He's just there's an intellect to him that is

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I've had the pleasure of being around him and

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Speaker 1: Well he's left an indelible impression on worldwide.

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Speaker 2: He's just doing this big advertising campaign about kids in

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Speaker 1: Well, you know people like Mike that if he's speaking

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Speaker 2: He convinced me yead him, someone pad him. He closes

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Speaker 2: It was amazing When he came to Australia. I went

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Speaker 2: it was ever the same after it. And Johnny Lewis

433
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 2: can test for this because here he'll remember that I

434
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:28,159
Speaker 2: went back and in that fight. May God standing beside

435
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,560
Speaker 2: when I say this, I never got hurt once. Yeah,

436
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 2: not not one of those punches hurt me, you know,

437
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 2: hit me whatever. And after that fight, I went back

438
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,320
Speaker 2: and we started training again, and I said that Johnny,

439
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 2: I was burrying one of the boys, and Johnny, he

440
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 2: just rocked me. I said, you know, you know you're right,

441
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 2: I said, he and I got no. It's the first

442
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 2: time I ever got hurt when I sparred heavyweights, I

443
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 2: sparred the football. Nobody's ever hurt me. And it was

444
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,200
Speaker 2: it was a scary situation for me. I was thinking, why,

445
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 2: you know, But like I said, I know why exactly

446
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 2: why I got knocked out in my in my last

447
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 2: few fights and stuff. Because I don't blame Johnny, but

448
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 2: it's Johnny's fault because, like I said, Johnny used to

449
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 2: let me in spy Jeff Harding ten twelve rounds, Alan

450
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 2: McNamara twelve clowns. I inspire justin ied to spare it

451
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 2: because none of the small guys do it. Those guys

452
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 2: hit me all those years, not as much as I

453
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 2: hit them. But then all of a sudden it accumulates

454
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, like I said, I can

455
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 2: you know, like hit that with a hammer for like

456
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 2: five minutes after the tim it's going to start the

457
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Speaker 2: break and I've said, I know that's the only thing

458
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 2: I got to. I've got an article upstairs from the

459
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,160
Speaker 2: Ring magazine, the best, the best geining boxing was Jeff

460
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Speaker 2: Finnick all of a.

461
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Speaker 1: Sudden and then once it's gone.

462
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's no replacement for you. There's a shoal replacement,

463
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 2: me replacement, hit replacement, there's no chin replacement. Once it's gone,

464
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,439
Speaker 2: it's gone. And like I said, I'm not one bid

465
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 2: embarrasscary because you have said this for all my life.

466
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 2: The only way that I ever that I lost the

467
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 2: fights I got carry another ring, I got knocked out.

468
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 2: I don't want to walk out losing one points. That's

469
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 2: not me, you know, carry me out the other guys.

470
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 1: You know, well a lot of the boxes say that's

471
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 1: the mantra, but not ever every one delivers. But you

472
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 1: are certainly certainly delivered the fight that you said that

473
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 1: when when you lost, when you're the rematch with ZOOMI,

474
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: you learned so much about about yourself and setbacks.

475
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, came down. I said at home,

476
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 2: was no phone calls on my own. You know, you learn,

477
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: you learn a lot. And like I said that, I'm

478
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 2: the personally in the day. Because of that, I to

479
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,199
Speaker 2: be honest, I'll say this, and probably I love who

480
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 2: I am today. I love that I help people. I

481
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 2: love that I change people's lives. And the other reason

482
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Speaker 2: why I can do that is because I've been through

483
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 2: that roller coaster. Yeah, I've changed it changed my life.

484
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 2: So shit, I'm so happy that it happened. That I'm

485
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 2: giving back now. I'm blessed. Like I said, that their

486
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 2: moms and dads of the kids that I helped today

487
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 2: helped me build what I have, you know. So I'm

488
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 2: so happy that I'm giving back. And don't worry. I've

489
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 2: got family, his fathers and mothers who thank me every

490
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 2: day for what I do for their children. I'm not

491
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 2: this guy. I don't go out. I don't want any

492
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 2: idea either. I do because I want to do it.

493
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 2: I do it because of the rewards I get mentally

494
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 2: through myself. And wow, you just change something, You just

495
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 2: help this chunky You just you know, you just go

496
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: two people who couldn't afford a bottle of wine. A

497
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 2: bottle of wine just paid somebody's bill. I can really

498
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 2: afford I love it, Like I said, Like I think

499
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: back to me when I was a celebrity walking to

500
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: a club in Melbourne, drink tab by whatever, I want

501
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 2: it all I know, you know, at the time, I

502
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 2: loved it and we took advantage of it.

503
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's you can see. You can see how

504
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: people lose lose their way with it. A couple of

505
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: the not in the boxing rings, but the setbacks you

506
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: had that time that you were stabbed. What what was

507
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 1: that all about? What what happened there?

508
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: I got hit with the bottle, I got stabbed with

509
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 2: a bottle and I got stabbed with and we wrought

510
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: at my restaurant and argument started with of course me

511
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 2: being the language. I was only talking to these guys.

512
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: They got angry first, and you know, anyway they did,

513
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: they know who you were. Of course we're talking. We're

514
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 2: talking right happily, you know. And then the tones changed

515
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,479
Speaker 2: and it turned into a fight. And as I was fighting,

516
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: another friend of theirs did what most fully any friend

517
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: would do, then try to protect their friend. And I

518
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 2: don't hold one bit of a grudge. I know who

519
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 2: it was. I knew who was then, I know who

520
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 2: it was today. If I see him, I'd shake his

521
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 2: head without any doubt and I would say to him,

522
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 2: made listen, you look after friends, good luck. Yeah, that's great,

523
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 2: you know, but like I said, yeah, none of that,

524
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: that's just part of life. And again that that's what

525
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,719
Speaker 2: built me made me stronger again that day, Johnd love

526
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: to say this. That day I had three friends of

527
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 2: one sitting in the restaurant fifteen meters away. Didn't they

528
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: even claim to try to help me. They're supposed to be.

529
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: I brought them cars and every else. They sat down

530
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 2: and watched their friends of the car behind stop and

531
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: help their friends. My friend was sitting beside him, sat

532
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 2: there and watched me. They're the friends that they're They're

533
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: those fake people I told you that were around me,

534
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: and I still want to be around me to bounce

535
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: off the success I had.

536
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: Well as as you get older and hopefully we get wiser,

537
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: but you start to work those ones out, don't you.

538
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, I speak to Johnny about a few things.

539
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: You know, Sometimes I tell Johnny I'm a little disappointed

540
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 2: because some of the things that he taught me that

541
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: maybe a great person, he's betrayed me on. You know,

542
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: He's like Johnny's told me all these things about it.

543
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: If one of my mates would have done that. They

544
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 2: wouldn't be to whatever. Johnny knows some of our friends

545
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: who have done that to me. And I don't mind

546
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: him still talking to him, but he shouldn't have to

547
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 2: try to break my arm and talk to them and

548
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: do everything else. But I do that because I love

549
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 2: Johnny and Johnny to be happy.

550
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 1: But look a relationship that close. And the one thing

551
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: I've learned about you boxing types, there's a lot of

552
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: passion is anger. So he's falling out. So someone's falling

553
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 1: out with this person or whatever. But the true relationships

554
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: you can always mean.

555
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you ken, But like I said, there's a big

556
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: thing forgiving and forgetting. Yeah, you know. One of my

557
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 2: great things I've just don't go. I want you to

558
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 2: know I've just I've just stopped social media. I'll get

559
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 2: on and have a look and because people getting hond

560
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: of them, and I'll just press like or something. But

561
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: I don't write anything anymore, and I don't reply to

562
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: people anymore because that was what was in my life. Stress.

563
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: I'd go to bed, I think about I want to

564
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: kill this guy and kill that guy, and I want

565
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: to do this to the people who said this about

566
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: me or my family. And since I've closed it, I

567
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: sleep better at night and I feel on a much

568
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 2: better person.

569
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: I think we could all do with a day so

570
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: that I don't buy in them.

571
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: Much of So let me just say one thing that

572
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 2: all your people out there who are a little like me,

573
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 2: who've got a temper and to switch that crap off.

574
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I know it's making people business

575
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: dollars and so and so. Well, listen, there's no money

576
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: that can buy happiness. There's no money in the world

577
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: that can buy having a stress free life and being happy.

578
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 2: Please believe me when I say.

579
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: That my kids sought me a valuable lesson on social

580
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: media after I left the cops. When I was in

581
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: the cops, I was doing high profile jobs and so, yeah,

582
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 1: you're in the media. I didn't care whether people liked

583
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: you or not. You're in the cops doing the job.

584
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: That was a focus. When I started doing the podcast

585
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: and the social media comes in, I didn't even know

586
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: about the social media, but someone had come in and go, oh,

587
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: you're a corrupt cop, you're this, you're that, and attacking

588
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: me on social media, and yeah, you can get a

589
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: hundred good ones and one bad one. You fixate on

590
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: that bad one and you go. And my kids had

591
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: a look, I don't know how find this on social

592
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: media who the dickhead was, and said, have a look

593
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: at this lunatic that you're angry about. Who gives a

594
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: fuck what he's saying about?

595
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it's easy to say that too, but

596
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: you're similar to me. Yeah, who gives a fuck? Yeah nobody,

597
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: but I do. Yeah, yeah, you know yeah, and there

598
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 2: by disrespecting you, disrespecting your children, you know, yeah, your

599
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: children are they're saying that about my dad. God love

600
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: your children from you know that, but yeah, that my children.

601
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: That like when somebody said something about me.

602
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: Do you do you have the times when you're out

603
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: with the profile? I would imagine do people want to

604
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: take you on because it's Jeff Finnick.

605
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: I went through that. I went through it throughout my career. Yeah. Yeah,

606
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 2: I'll be at the bar club and stuff like that

607
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: and you know, yeah, somebody saying something, you know, I'll

608
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 2: be through it. I walked down a Master Street and

609
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: guys doing karate kicks my head and fights and I've

610
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: been the fights all over Australia, you know, and all

611
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: over the world.

612
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, what, I'll ask you your thoughts on police and

613
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: just before because I was a police officer for so long,

614
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: You're not going to offend me, I say. In the policing,

615
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: I've met some of the most impressive people and some

616
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: of the most unimpressive people. You know what, what's your

617
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: your your take?

618
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: Well, Gary, I was blessed when I was a young

619
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: kid and police were our enemy. You know, they stopped

620
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: from doing what we wanted to do. I can keep

621
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: your asking every now and then or whatever whatever. But

622
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: then I went to the PCYC and I was blessed

623
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: first of all to meet Brian Chickamore, Pat Jarvis and

624
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: all those guys. And through them I met all the

625
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: new down police station people who used to come and

626
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: train with us. Man changed my whole life around what

627
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: you know, Like I said, the majority of them were

628
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: people like you and I who wanted to come up

629
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: train mix with people. They weren't these guys who would

630
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: see somebody just doing something that really deserved nothing except

631
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: maybe listen, that's not the right thing to do. They

632
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: would They're not those people who don't grab you, throw

633
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: you on the floor and you know, handcuff you and

634
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: then for no reason at all, they would talk to you.

635
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: And I honestly I got so much respect for the

636
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: police force today and not just today, but as you grow,

637
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: you see what they've got to go through. That's why

638
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: I think it's so important Gary to pick humans that

639
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: can handle their job. Yeah, they've got to be strong people.

640
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: They've got to be knowledgeable people. They've got to be

641
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: able to handle the worst situation and the best situation.

642
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: They've got to be Yeah, they've got to be versatile,

643
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: they've got to they've got to know this person can't

644
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: hurt nobody, so we're not going to hurt them where

645
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: it's gonna you know what, And that's not hard that Look,

646
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but you're

647
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 2: not into somebody within their eyes and in their mannerisms

648
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: if they want to hurt somebody, if they or if

649
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: they're just trying to act up, you know, and and

650
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: police have got to go through that REGI made to

651
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: know what they're doing.

652
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: You know, there's a thing called like another thing de

653
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: escalating situations and you touch them. I'm sure in this

654
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: part or part one about the ability to talk to

655
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: talk now, I use this example, like if someone's coming up,

656
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: if you're in a pub and if someone comes up

657
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: to you and what are you looking at? And yeah,

658
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: they clearly want to pick a fight with you. You

659
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: can de escalate. Sorry mate, And well what are you're

660
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: looking at? Sorry mate, I'm just having a bad day.

661
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: Just I apologize. You can walk away from it. Not

662
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: easy to do all the time, but there is ways of.

663
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: D people can do it. Soon people can't.

664
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: And then I saw a lot of cops that always

665
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: got assaulted, Like how many times can one cop get assaulted?

666
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: Time and time again, Let's have a look at how

667
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: that cop is talking to people, Like if you go

668
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: in go in your pub. The classic one is you

669
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: go in your pub because someone's been asked to leave.

670
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: You're standing around the pub with all your mates, and

671
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: the cop walks in, come out that we're going to

672
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: arrest you. And the bloke's got to work up because

673
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: he's got his mates out. And if the blake says, well,

674
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: I want to try, Look, you might beat me in

675
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: a fight. This is a cop talking you might beat

676
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: me in a fight, but eventually we're going to get

677
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: you out of here or call more police. The blake

678
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: can look back at his mate. He saved some face,

679
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: and he'll walk out and laughing at his mates. That's

680
00:31:58,600 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: de escalating.

681
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: That's cop son in a light club. I would love

682
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: the bounces. See you drunk or they just grab them. Listen,

683
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: just say to him, listen, cham you're drunk. I'm going

684
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: to walk you out. When you grab somebody, Yeah, it's

685
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: finance you straight away. You turn that switch on somebody.

686
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: They've got to protect them. So if they want to

687
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: see over themselves. Every person that owns a club or

688
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: bar or any of that stuff should have those people

689
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: educated as well that listen. If they need to be

690
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: thrown out, throw them out if they don't. If you talk,

691
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: so I listen, I meet you cover every week. You're

692
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: a little bit drunk this week. Please, it's going to

693
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: walk you out. We'll see you next week. You're welcome.

694
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: They're going to walk out.

695
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: That's right. There's ways of getting around it. Another thing

696
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: that's coming. And I know you know Danny greenwell, and

697
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: you train Danny that one punch campaign that Danny got behind.

698
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: That was an important thing too, wasn't it, Because saying that.

699
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: I've seen it many times, I've seen I seen seen

700
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: people in bars and clubs get hidden, fall down, hit

701
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: their head and you know it's sickening.

702
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: You know, know the potential danger for it. Hey, guys,

703
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: let's scare jubiling here. I want to get more out

704
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: of I Catch Killers. Then you should head over to

705
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: our new video feed on Spotify where you can watch

706
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: every episode of I Catch Killers. Just search for I

707
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708
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: Just lighten it up a little bit. I'm researching for

709
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: the podcast. Had a look online and actually I think

710
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: Billy was actually telling me about it. Billy did when

711
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: your place that we're sitting in today was auctioned. Do

712
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: you want to tell us about that or is it

713
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: still too bad?

714
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: My daughter and Billy Dibb organize it. Billy will pay

715
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: back as time goes on. When we manywhere he's doing

716
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: to talk, I'll tip a bucket of wood over here.

717
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: I'll get him back every time, and he'll regret doing that.

718
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: But it was, Yeah, it was just a shock that

719
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: I was in my houndies, just inside like in a

720
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: period tides. Next thing door, Bill rings and yeah, I am.

721
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: We'll get side and see these guys want to do

722
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: it and they're blessed, and I don't know if I

723
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: him because I don't know if anything will happened, because

724
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: it's there about love for playing their prank. But I

725
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 2: was very very close to hurting somebody, and just as

726
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: it escalated and was de escalating when Billy didn't, I

727
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: was just about I didn't care at that time. I

728
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 2: was going to I was going to, Yeah, I was

729
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: going to hit that pool guy.

730
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: I've seen enough violence, Jeff, And I could see you

731
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: just clocking the locations and I was just looking at this.

732
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: Billy did I call him and made the yours a

733
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: professional fighter that I thought it would be a good

734
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: idea to prank Jeff by setting up an auction outside

735
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: his house with all the auction signs and the person

736
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: conducting the auction and bidders and everyone, and Jeff's come

737
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: out and seeing his place that he's aimed for a

738
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: long time and being auctioned right in front of his

739
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: own eye, and you watch Jeff's face and he's looking

740
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm getting angry. It was like watching the terminator. Who

741
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: am I going to hit first? And I still one

742
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 1: thing I did like about it was when the bidding

743
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: went up to four million dollars and the final, last

744
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: and final bid for me, and you're going, fuck that.

745
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: It's worth nine million, so you bought into it, and

746
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: you look like you're just about to explode before that's

747
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: all good.

748
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: Like I said, they got me good. Then, like I said,

749
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 2: Billy will learn. I hope you listen to this, Billy,

750
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: you will learn that was the worst thing you've ever

751
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: done in your life. Because everywhere we go, I'll tip

752
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 2: a bucket of water over him. All I believe I did.

753
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: I gave him a life saver one day. It was

754
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 2: a viagra, So you'll get plenty more of that he

755
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 2: talks about that day.

756
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: There is something about boxing, and I often wondered if

757
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: it's just to take away the pressure or the tension

758
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: that goes on if you're a professional fighter. But I

759
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: hear Johnny talk about mothers talk about all the pranks

760
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: that go on in boxing that seems to be a

761
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: way of passing time.

762
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: Well, I think all the guys Johnny knows obviously training

763
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: with him and stuff, and Johnny was the biggest pranks

764
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 2: throughout this. We all got it from Johnny, so we

765
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: we can. Johnny was always you know, having fun doing

766
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 2: doing something to somebody. Johnny was famous at signing somebody

767
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: else's room. Remember to pay for the bill. Johnny was

768
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: always sometimes I think was it just a prank or

769
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: did he just didn't want to pay for it. I've

770
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: never seen him pay for anything, so I think.

771
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: I'll check with him. So if he wants to defend.

772
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: Well weed, we used to be in Fiji and stuff

773
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: and me, him and Peter Matreski used to be there

774
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: and the bill would come out and Peter's not the

775
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 2: sharpest tool the shed, and the bill would come out

776
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 2: for thirty two dollars. Johnny say, oh, that's eighteen dollars

777
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: each period. Give us eighteen dollars and we pay the

778
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: rest together. So Johnny was Yeah, Johnny was one of

779
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: the funniest guys ever.

780
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: Looking back at your career, Jeff, or just life and

781
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: any regrets.

782
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: There are plenty plenty. You can't change what's happening. So

783
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,479
Speaker 2: I just look at them all as as a test,

784
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: all of them as an example. All of them is

785
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: something that taught me to be better. And would I

786
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: change it. I would change a million things.

787
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: Yes, we can't.

788
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: We've got to live with what we've done. We've got

789
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: to live with the mistakes we've made. We live with

790
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: the errors that we've made. We've got to live with them. Yeah,

791
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: those mistakes and again learn from them as long as

792
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 2: you are prepared to sit down and admit to it.

793
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: When people ask me if I've done something wrong, if

794
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: I don't it, man, I'm going to put me up

795
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: straight away. If I didn't, I'm going to let them

796
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: know I didn't do it as well. And you know,

797
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 2: I haven't had the chance to do that because I

798
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: think that sometimes when you do done, it just opens

799
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 2: the door again for those keyboard warrants to talk shit

800
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: about people. So I haven't really worried about that. I'm

801
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: like I said, I've been through the roller go So

802
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: I've had people say I've done this, and I've done that.

803
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: I know what I've done. There's one judge and one

804
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: Jojo leads the mirror. You can look in that mirror

805
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: around what you've done and if you've been a good person,

806
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 2: and like I said, my good far outweighs what I've

807
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: done that's bad. And yeah, we've all done good and

808
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: bad things. Like I said, my life till the day

809
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 2: I won't be here, and hopefully that's quite a few years.

810
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: Yet will continue to be better and better and better.

811
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: I'll continue to help people and continue to make their

812
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: lives better.

813
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: How do you think people look back at you? Like

814
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: Jeff Finnick, It's hard for you to say, but I've got.

815
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: The easier say answer. I don't give a ship. I

816
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 2: don't give a ship what people think. But if there's

817
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: a legacy that I'd like to live, these have nothing.

818
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: To do with it, just as your point out, my

819
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: bills have nothing to.

820
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: Do with it. I would like them think that I am.

821
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: I remember that guy took a photo of me. I

822
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: remember he signed an autograph for me. I remember he

823
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: brought me dinner. That's yeah, I remember, Yeah, I remember

824
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: when I said earlier yet Phinich, he had all the

825
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: time in the world for me. And that's that's the

826
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: only easier phinic. I want people to know. And if

827
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: they an't, like I said, they can. Yeah. If they

828
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 2: want to say, oh, Jeff did this, they can do

829
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: that because I said, guess why they know Jeffrey done that?

830
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: Because like I said, anything I do is on the

831
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,959
Speaker 2: front page of paper or on the paper in the paper.

832
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: Maybe we don't know what they've done, then they you know,

833
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 2: like I said, and we'll never know what they've done

834
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: because they're nobody. I've been blessed to become a somebody,

835
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: and like I said, I've been blessed to to own

836
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: up to any any mistakes I made. And you know,

837
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: I'm happy. I'm happy, like I said. Like I said,

838
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't want to change anything. I can't

839
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: change it. If I could, I would if I wouldn't

840
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: have done it. But it's all a lesson for me.

841
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: When I when I think about the things I've done,

842
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: I talk with them or listen. They're not a life sentence.

843
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: People try to give you a life sentence for the

844
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: one thing you've done wrong with two things I've done

845
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 2: or whatever I've done wrong, They're not a life sentence.

846
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 2: They're a lesson. And again I don't really care what people.

847
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: I think. It's important people aren't defined by one or

848
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: two bad things that they've done in their life. They

849
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: should be judged by their whole life, not what happened before. Yeah,

850
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: it's yeah.

851
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: Without that, not even different. Listen, and just some people

852
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: that can get this message. And I don't swear in

853
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: podcasts ever, but my life's doing your fucking business. If

854
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: I made a mistake, I made the mistake. You're not

855
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: You're not the judge. If I got in trouble, I

856
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: got in trouble, and yeah, you're You can have your

857
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 2: own opinion, but you don't need a voice. You don't

858
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: even know who I am. You know nothing about me,

859
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: So in short, shut your mouth unless you've been a

860
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 2: part of what's happened. You know, if you've just heard

861
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: or read a story, and not many stories that you

862
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: read or hear are true. There are three sides of

863
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 2: every story. There's your side, there's my side, and the truth,

864
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: and not too many people get to hear the truth.

865
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 1: You're training a lot of a lot of young five

866
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: and mentoring a lot of people. What's the messaging you

867
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: trying to get across to and what are the cyveues

868
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 1: you want in the people that you're you're training and mentoring.

869
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, to listen, to learn, and yeah, and I ain't

870
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: training a lot of people. Way I help a lot

871
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: of people. Yeah, I'm trying to mentor and be the

872
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: best mentor I can. And I use my own stupidity

873
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: and my own actions to make these kids better. But

874
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: there's only one thing I tell them. I said, listen,

875
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 2: every day you leave here, you've got to want to

876
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 2: go back till the one thing I preached every person

877
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: I said when I left. When I used to leave

878
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: training in the afternoon was a bit different than me.

879
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: I was with a join until I went home the night.

880
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: But when I left there, I couldn't wait to get back.

881
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: I wanted to go back there to show him, first

882
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: of all, what he taught me the day before that

883
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: I haven't forgotten, and I want to show him that

884
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: I want to be there more than the else I

885
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: want to You knows, there's nothing more I wanted in

886
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 2: life than to be there, because that was life changing,

887
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: that changed my life. So I just wanted to be there.

888
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 2: I wanted to be around that man. Twenty four seven.

889
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: If I could have slept in the same bed with

890
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: Johnny every night, I would have done that every night.

891
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 2: It sounds weird, but yeah, that's how close I was

892
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: to him. We had dinner every night together, we had

893
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: breakfast every day together. Like I said, the other thing

894
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: we didn't do was sleep, I mean sleep together. But

895
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: if I had the opportunity, I mean, and I was

896
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 2: in the same room as him. I would have loved

897
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: it as well, would have loved waking up his side him.

898
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: I would have loved going to bed while he was there.

899
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: And like I said, that mean change my life on

900
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: My life is what it is there because of Johnny

901
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: Lawi's it's crazy to say, because I got parents too

902
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: that I love and respect, But Johnny certainly was that

903
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: person who changed my life. My parents obviously gave me

904
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: the platform, and they gave me the opportunity to be

905
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 2: who I wanted to be. Johnny made me be the person.

906
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: It's so many people like it. Only if you can

907
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: have one good person in your life, it can make

908
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: the world of difference, can't it. Yeah, I've seen and

909
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: you know, like your your situation with Johnny, but there's others.

910
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 2: Just and let me just say one more thing really quickly.

911
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: Sometimes they aren't just one person. Sometimes you can't find

912
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 2: one person. You know. I look at some of my

913
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 2: friends and I think, you know, how warning You know

914
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 2: it was just such a great human he was Yeah,

915
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: he was talking, yeah, shame warn Yeah. He was just

916
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 2: somebody who could adapt to anybody. And I love that

917
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 2: about him. You know, people say, oh, you know warning

918
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: this warning that the warning on you was the most generous,

919
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: best person in the world that yeah, would just wanted

920
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: to pass on everything that he had to everybody else.

921
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: And then and one of the reason why bring up

922
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: warning to I look at his daughter and his son

923
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 2: and I think, wow, man, what what he's left behind

924
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 2: is is the greatest legacy ever He's he would be

925
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 2: so well, he is proud, you know, Yeah, he would

926
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: be the proudest man in the world if he was

927
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: here to to see what his family have done, what

928
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: he's done with him.

929
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: Well, something I'm taking away from the chat with you

930
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: is that you see how fortunate you are and you

931
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: want to give back and just you know what you're

932
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: talking about helping people and mentoring people, steering people in

933
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: the right direction. So full credit to you.

934
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: And I do it for one reason. I don't do

935
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: it because for any other reasons that I want to

936
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 2: do it. I don't need anybody to thank me. You

937
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 2: know how many people I give these I still because

938
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: I wanted them. Yeah, so you know I'm talking you

939
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: about this. I'm doing this podcast. I want your podcast

940
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 2: to be great. But yeah, I don't do any that

941
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to do. I do because I want

942
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: to do it.

943
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's interesting looking at all that you've achieved,

944
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: the highlights and just the extraordinary life you've got. The

945
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: takeaway point I'm getting from our discussion is that you

946
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: get more joy from from helping people than any of

947
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: the stuff that you've achieved. That looking from the outside

948
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: and going wow out look at all these belts, look

949
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: at the success you had, the people that you've met.

950
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: But when it all comes down to it, it means

951
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: nothing unless you're living a good life and enjoying the

952
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: person you are.

953
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: Happens is I'm so so happy with who I am today.

954
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 2: Like I said, there were times when I was three

955
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: time world chair. But when I think of that guy,

956
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: I hate him. I hate the privileges that he had,

957
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: and I hate that he took those privileges. And yeah,

958
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: I don't like that guy, the guy that you're talking to.

959
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: You know, I'm very very proud to say that's the

960
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: real geophenic. That's the geophenic that I wanted to show

961
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: the world. That's the guy that that's the guy that

962
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: I really am.

963
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: Well, that might be a good way to finish. Thanks

964
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: very much. Jeff enjoyed the chat as I always do,

965
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: always interesting, but thanks for making the time, no, thank.

966
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: You for having me, And hopefully people sit down and

967
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: listen to this and think, well, there's a few things

968
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: that I can take from it.

969
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: Make you better people, all right, good stuff. Thanks Jeff,