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Speaker 1: From the newsroom and news still come today. Good day there.

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Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Bucklow and I reckon there's a fair few

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Speaker 1: head to news dot com dot Au. We've got a

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Speaker 1: calculated tool that will give you that answer. As for

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Speaker 1: what is making us today, well, have just come out

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Speaker 1: of our daily editorial meeting. That's where all the journals

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Speaker 1: get together and pitch ideas. One about team members, a

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Speaker 1: fellow named Jai was talking about some recent comments made

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Speaker 1: by US Vice President jd Vance about AI.

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Speaker 2: The Trump administration will maintain a pro worker growth path

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Speaker 2: for AI so it can be a potent tool for

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Speaker 2: job creation in the United States. AI, I really believe

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Speaker 2: will facility and make people more productive. It is not

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Speaker 2: going to replace place human beings. It will never replace

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Speaker 2: human beings. And I think too many of the leaders

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Speaker 2: in the AI industry when they talk about this fear

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Speaker 3: I think they.

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Speaker 2: Really missed the point AI we believe is going to

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Speaker 1: This led to a big discussion about AI, and John

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Speaker 1: mentioned in that meeting he'd love for us to do

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Speaker 1: a podcast about how to utilize the technology, just like

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Speaker 1: these are the five really common useful board ways that

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Speaker 1: an everyday person could and should be using it about.

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Speaker 1: Actually thought that was a cracking idea from Joy. So

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what we're going to do in this episode.

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Speaker 1: If you want to know what you could be using

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Speaker 1: AI for stick around. Trevor Long is the editor of

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Speaker 1: EFTM dot com. He's a tech expert who regularly appears

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Speaker 1: on TV and radio around the country. He's a great

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Speaker 1: friend of this podcast. Trevor, it's great to have.

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Speaker 3: You on Fucky Greg to be with you, mate.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we've just heard some audio of JD vans sprooking

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Speaker 1: AI and saying that the US government believes that could

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Speaker 1: be a good thing for society and end up actually

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Speaker 1: creating jobs. What do you think? Do you think that

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Speaker 1: the benefits of AI will outweigh the risks.

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Speaker 4: I think, in the fullness of time, we will see

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Speaker 4: that to be the case. Yes, because there's always going

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Speaker 4: to be risks with any new technology. I mean, criminals

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Speaker 4: benefits from them. So, you know, we could be drawn

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Speaker 4: into the negativity of it, but we have to look

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Speaker 4: at the positives of making it easy to work, you know,

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Speaker 4: And so what Jadie Vance is doing, he's breaking like Trump.

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Speaker 4: He wants the US to be the heart and soul

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Speaker 4: it's an investment strategy as well. They want people investing

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Speaker 3: That's the strategy.

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Speaker 1: I think we just have been hearing about AI for

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Speaker 1: And is it free?

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Speaker 4: Great question and sometimes just the answer to the free question. Basically,

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Speaker 1: But you're the expert. So Trevor I would like to

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Speaker 4: Most people in their work there's something that AOI could benefit.

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Speaker 4: do the things I'm about to mention, drafting emails, prof

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Speaker 4: So I think at work, just play with it on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to save people so much time, not

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Speaker 4: Make your life easier, because that's going to make you

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Speaker 4: The critical thing here is chat Tipt didn't say here's

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Speaker 4: I should reread and you know, work on my essays

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Speaker 1: Great tips there. We've still got two to go. Don't

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Speaker 1: go anywhere. We'll be back in a moment. I'm chatting

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Speaker 1: to Travel Long, a tech expert is running us through

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Speaker 1: the everyday us is for AI that we could all

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Speaker 1: be doing every single day. Trevor, We've got two to

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Speaker 1: go take it away, all right.

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Speaker 4: Travel planning is such a great thing because you've got

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Speaker 4: to remember that chatchabut Gemini. These things they've read the Internet.

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Speaker 1: you want to see Trevor's website got at EFTM dot com. Trevor,

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