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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannon's.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, Formula One resumes with the sal Paolo

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Speaker 1: Grand Prix this weekend and with Lando Norris leading Oscar

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Speaker 1: Piastri by just one point at the top of the

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Speaker 1: title table. But could a statement max Forstappen weekend see

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Speaker 1: the Dutchman's title odds shortened again. My name is Michael Lamonato.

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Speaker 1: It's great to have your company and the company of

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Speaker 1: my co host. If he were going to reltigate one

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Speaker 1: championship outcome from the last twenty years, he wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: started in two thousand and eight. It's Matt Clayton.

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Speaker 2: Oh, what sort of a can of worms is that?

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Speaker 1: My?

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Speaker 2: I going to throw at me to start this? I'm

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Speaker 2: our thinking of It's funny we always talk championship deciders,

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Speaker 2: and the drudgery of Abu Dhabi has been punctuated by

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Speaker 2: a couple of pretty compelling ones. But I get the

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Speaker 2: feeling that there's something about Sapolo and Interlagos, particularly that

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Speaker 2: it always feels really significant in the back end of

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Speaker 2: any of these championship run ins. So I'm very much

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Speaker 2: looking forward to see what happens to Interlagos. I'm not

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Speaker 2: very much looking forward to the time though that Interligos

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Speaker 2: is in. But that's a that's of this weekend problem

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Speaker 2: that I'm very happy to endure because it's going to

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Speaker 2: be fun whatever happens.

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Speaker 1: I would suggests, yes, it does. It's always felt wrong.

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Speaker 1: I know Brazil used to in fact be the start

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Speaker 1: of the calendar and used to be a totally different proposition,

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Speaker 1: but it does feel wrong every year where it seems

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Speaker 1: to get a little bit further away from the end

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Speaker 1: of the season, Like to think there are three Grand

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Speaker 1: Prix after Brazil just doesn't feel right to me. But

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Speaker 1: you're right, there still always feels like there's a title

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Speaker 1: significance whenever we turn up here because it has always

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Speaker 1: been so influential. Even if we think about twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you how many races were between Brazil

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Speaker 1: and Abu Dhabi that year, but I remember Brazil and

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Speaker 1: then I remember Abu Derby.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, I think Katar and was the first Jeta

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Speaker 2: year was in there as well. Wasn't the first Saudi

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Speaker 2: year I think was there as well, because I remember

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Speaker 2: the Saudi race because that was when it would just

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Speaker 2: become completely unhinged between the Staban and Hamilton that season

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Speaker 2: and then we got Abu Derby. But I reckon Brazil's

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Speaker 2: like Brazil would be the perfect place for the second

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Speaker 2: last round of any season because it always leaves you

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Speaker 2: wanting that little bit more because it's got that and

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Speaker 2: inness and chaos to it. And then you go somewhere

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Speaker 2: that pays a lot more money and is fifty seven

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Speaker 2: times more boring with Aaviddhaby, But that's fine. At least

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Speaker 2: we get Brazil to set things up. But second last

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Speaker 2: round of the year, I'll take it. But as you

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Speaker 2: set up in the intro here, we've effectively got a

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Speaker 2: four round world championship now and that's what makes this

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Speaker 2: year super exciting and what a great place to start

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Speaker 2: it off.

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Speaker 1: Eh, yeah, exactly. This is a good scene set, I think,

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Speaker 1: before we go to some more random circuits, and it

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Speaker 1: is a sprint weekend in case anyone just needs a

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Speaker 1: reminding of the sprints that crop up from time to time,

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Speaker 1: which means there are more points on offer for what

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Speaker 1: could be what often is a really important weekend. That's

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Speaker 1: more points on offer potentially for maxis stapp and to

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Speaker 1: close the gap for Lando Norris to extend his lead,

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Speaker 1: or for Oscopyastri to reassert some authority in the championship

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Speaker 1: he had led for so long until the preceding round

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Speaker 1: in Mexico. Now there was no racing at the weekend,

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Speaker 1: which means we're it's a clean palate event this weekend

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Speaker 1: for South Pallo. You can forget everything that came before it.

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Speaker 1: But it's been interesting to hear. I mean, sometimes these breaks,

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Speaker 1: discourse breathe a little bit. Everyone can think about what

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Speaker 1: they've done, what they've been through for the last couple

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Speaker 1: of months, and it's been interesting, you know. I think

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Speaker 1: for those who suggested this championship fight wasn't capturing your imagination,

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Speaker 1: I think the imaginations in some sectors are certainly running

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Speaker 1: wild with the latest twsts and turns in this And

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking in particular of some of the conspiracy theories

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Speaker 1: that have been gripping motorsport fans, largely fans of Oscar

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Speaker 1: Piastri's title bit. I've got a sailed I think for

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Speaker 1: the middle of the year, when Lando Norris was being

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Speaker 1: how sport goes in general. But after Mexico, there were

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Speaker 1: quite a few people, I guess, scratching for reasons beyond

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Speaker 1: the rational, which we've explained in the last couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: and we've actually developed quite a list of conspiracies that

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Speaker 2: I'm not usually like the tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists

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Speaker 2: on most things. Is a few of these that have

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Speaker 2: don't know when a conspiracy becomes then a theory that

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Speaker 2: you can actually prove. I'm not sure where the lines

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Speaker 2: of this are. You've probably got some rules that you

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Speaker 2: haven't shared with me on this sort of thing. Some

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Speaker 2: of them are worth exploring because I think some of

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Speaker 2: them can be dismissed pretty quickly, and others make you

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Speaker 2: do that maybe, and it's worth further discussion. But I

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Speaker 2: know you had written a very comprehensive piece on aforementioned

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Speaker 2: conspiracies last week for Fox sports dot com dot at

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Speaker 2: you and I thought in the lead up to Brazil,

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Speaker 2: it would be quite interesting to revisit some of them.

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, and I think we're going to go

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Speaker 1: through these now, and I'll read you a couple in

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Speaker 1: a moment. But I think the asterisk on all of

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Speaker 1: them is, well, let's see what happens this weekend. Attract

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Speaker 1: should suit Piastre better. That he was pretty competitive aout

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Speaker 1: last year. We shouldn't forget he would have won the

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Speaker 1: sprint where not for team orders and well, no one

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Speaker 1: so that's by the by. But so if the form

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Speaker 1: of the sort of phrases that have been cropping up since,

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Speaker 1: particularly the US and Mexico, where Oscar Piastri was suddenly

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Speaker 1: way off the pace, way further back than we've come

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Speaker 1: to expect him, is that he's been given a slower

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Speaker 1: car setup than Lando Norris for reasons are unmentioned. There

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Speaker 1: was even remarkably one of those social media copy paste

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Speaker 1: platforms about how he'd been given completely different body work

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Speaker 1: that is nonsense. You can go look at the photos

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Speaker 1: at least in terms of that. But the car set

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Speaker 1: up one mat I think he's actually one that some

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Speaker 1: people throw around. I've heard this from other commentators as well,

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Speaker 1: how teams give setups and then they don't work, and

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Speaker 1: the bad setup. It's not really how it works, though,

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Speaker 1: Oscar had an extra hour of practice compared to Lando

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Speaker 2: Yes he did, you mention their modern day journalism control

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Speaker 2: see control ver. Yeah, look, the slow car setup. It's

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Speaker 2: This is why we have hours upon hours and some

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Speaker 2: people will say too much practice in a lot of

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Speaker 2: or driver preference. You can also get stuck down rabbit

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Speaker 2: holes with these things. And you mentioned Mexico before, a

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Speaker 2: lot of the teams were running third and reserve drivers.

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Speaker 2: In that first practice session. Oscar Piastri was one of

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Speaker 2: the few regulars that actually did that first session there

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Speaker 2: don't know about you, but I don't think that necessarily

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Speaker 1: Is it? Yeah, exactly right. And it's worth also reflecting

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Speaker 1: on what he said throughout the week, which it was

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Speaker 1: never that the car didn't feel right to him. Yes,

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Speaker 1: say he couldn't understand why he can't get the car

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Speaker 1: to do what he wants. For Oscar, it's quite different.

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Speaker 1: The car's doing exactly what he wants, but the way

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Speaker 1: his driving style wasn't working at these circuits, which is

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Speaker 1: another thing that people have been pointing to the idea

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Speaker 1: driving style. That's not about car set up for him

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Speaker 1: make some pretty specific demands of the driver's Mexico in

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Speaker 2: Well, and Kosha too with we're discussing this when we

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Speaker 2: It's a pretty odd track. It's almost like two or

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Speaker 2: The two factors you mentioned about those two tracks, they're

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Speaker 2: one thing to know, you know, you're happy enough with

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Speaker 2: When they've come up. Now there's a little bit of

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Speaker 2: you said before, what's going on inside of his head,

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Speaker 2: but there's got to be a little bit of maybe

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Speaker 2: you when you're see this lead get whittled down. But

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Speaker 2: it's more when these two tracks have appeared on the

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Speaker 2: a little bit and something we'll probably get to a

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Speaker 2: you're dealing with an intra team rivalry with Lando Norris,

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Speaker 2: and particularly when neither driver has won it before. That's

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Speaker 2: the other dynamic in all of this. There's going to

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Speaker 2: be much more of a human slash emotional element into

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Speaker 2: setup is not something that I can really rub a

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Speaker 2: stamp as a concept here, because I think it's one

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Speaker 2: of those things that's evolving and maybe he's just gone

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Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed. It's one of those things the word I

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Speaker 1: the idea that not only McLaren wants Norris to win,

433
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Speaker 1: but is actively going about helping him win by noveling,

434
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Speaker 1: to use a word that's been used once or twice

435
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Speaker 1: in this media recently Piastre, who was the title leader,

436
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Speaker 1: is an interesting theory.

437
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Speaker 2: See, you and I might slightly disagree on this. The

438
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Speaker 2: word noveling makes me laugh, by the way. Yeah, you

439
00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,439
Speaker 2: think of the number if people need to understand the

440
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Speaker 2: number of people that work in these Formula one teams

441
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Speaker 2: and the hours and the money and everything that goes

442
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,760
Speaker 2: into it. You are not going to deliberately handcuff one

443
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Speaker 2: of your own cars. It's just not the way it's

444
00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,080
Speaker 2: going to work. Yes, Constructors Championship sealed. That's fine. The

445
00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,520
Speaker 2: word wants is the key one for me, and you

446
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Speaker 2: and I may differ on this, but I'm going to

447
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,000
Speaker 2: have my ninety seconds and then you can shoot me

448
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Speaker 2: down and tell me I'm wrong. The word wants isn't

449
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Speaker 2: the word that I've been thinking about all year. The

450
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,280
Speaker 2: word prefer is the word that I've been thinking about

451
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Speaker 2: and this is not because of any sort of nationalistic

452
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Speaker 2: bias or anything like that. To my mind, if you

453
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Speaker 2: have invested an incredible amount of time, money and resource

454
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Speaker 2: in a driver since they are in their teenage years,

455
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Speaker 2: and you have a chance to win a World championship,

456
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Speaker 2: it sound business practice. I would suggest to probably want

457
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Speaker 2: the person that you to sorry prefer not what prefer

458
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Speaker 2: the person that you've invested all this time, money and

459
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Speaker 2: resource in. If you had a choice, you would want

460
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Speaker 2: to return on that investment, right, It is the return

461
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Speaker 2: on the investment. We go back a generation here and

462
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Speaker 2: the last time at Australia was right in the mix

463
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Speaker 2: for a World championship. We had the Sebastian Vattal Mark

464
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Speaker 2: Webber situation at red Bull, now slightly different in terms

465
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Speaker 2: of the way the team was managed in what have you.

466
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Speaker 2: Mark was obviously a lot closer to the end of

467
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Speaker 2: his career and a whole level lot older than said

468
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Speaker 2: was at the time, But it made complete sense no

469
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Speaker 2: matter what the stopwatch said that Red Bull probably wanted

470
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Speaker 2: to get more behind Vattal than Weber simply because Vettel

471
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Speaker 2: was homegrown. Weber was brought in. If you like, and

472
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Speaker 2: I remember Mark saying, and we'll probably revisit that this

473
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Speaker 2: week because it was in Brazil when he said it

474
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Speaker 2: back in twenty ten that his speed had perhaps been

475
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Speaker 2: inconvenient for Red Bull, which was one of Mark's better

476
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Speaker 2: lines in a season of very very good ones. But

477
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Speaker 2: going back to the Norris Piastre equation, from a business

478
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Speaker 2: return on investment point of view, there probably would be

479
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Speaker 2: a preference. I would say the main thing for McLaren

480
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Speaker 2: is that they haven't won a driver's title for so

481
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Speaker 2: long now that quite frankly, they take either of them

482
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Speaker 2: and the other factor in this equation. When we were

483
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Speaker 2: talking about want slash prefer this is a different conversation

484
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Speaker 2: if it's only to McLaren's in contention for the Driver's

485
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Speaker 2: World Championship right now. It's a different conversation entirely now

486
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Speaker 2: because of the fact that Max Forstappen has inserted himself

487
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Speaker 2: in to this Driver's Championship and the scenario that may

488
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Speaker 2: play out from Brazil onwards. That is really really interesting

489
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Speaker 2: to me is there may come a point where this

490
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Speaker 2: team has to actually is in McLaren actually has to

491
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Speaker 2: institute some sort of team orders not to advantage one

492
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Speaker 2: or the other of their drivers, but to prevent Max

493
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Speaker 2: Verstappen from stealing this under their nose. And there are

494
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Speaker 2: cases in Formula one history where you've seen teams diither

495
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Speaker 2: on this or perhaps not deal with it correctly, and

496
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Speaker 2: then they lose world championships at the last gars. Oh,

497
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Speaker 2: that would be Kimmy Reichen in two thousand and seven

498
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Speaker 2: in Brazil against McLaren. So there is historical presidency. This

499
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Speaker 2: is why this South Paolo Grand Prix weekend is so

500
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Speaker 2: interesting to see whether Vstapan can eat into that gap.

501
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Speaker 2: But in terms of the word want versus the word prefer,

502
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Speaker 2: I would imagine that McLaren would prefer, from a complete

503
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Speaker 2: business decision, one driver to win the championship over the other.

504
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Speaker 2: But I suspect, by the way that you've looked at

505
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Speaker 2: me rather oddly for the last sixty seconds, you may

506
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Speaker 2: have a counterpart to this.

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Speaker 1: Well. I think, actually, why you sum it up? I

508
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Speaker 1: can it is believable and I think, in fact we've

509
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Speaker 1: talked about this on the podcast before that some people

510
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Speaker 1: at McLaren will have worked with Norris for the entirety

511
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Speaker 1: of his duration with the team, dating back to even

512
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Speaker 1: his junior days before it became a Formula One driver.

513
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Speaker 1: I'm sure there are some elements of the team that

514
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Speaker 1: would prefer to see the guy they know better and

515
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Speaker 1: who has been around longer to win it. And I

516
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Speaker 1: think even in that weird way in which McLaren is

517
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Speaker 1: almost striving for an outcome that is more perfect than possible,

518
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: someone must be thinking, well, you know, Norris wins it now,

519
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: and Oscar's younger, and he's newer, he'll win the next

520
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Speaker 1: one and then it'll be great because everyone in two

521
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: years will be back to exactly even and everything will

522
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Speaker 1: be perfect in the way McLaren wants everything to be perfect.

523
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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's an element of that as well, But

524
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Speaker 1: I think in this also agrees with your point. There's

525
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Speaker 1: no world in which that manifest with them slowing Pastri

526
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Speaker 1: down already influencing either driver at all, because it's too

527
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Speaker 1: risky to well, there's no way to make a driver

528
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Speaker 1: faster without outside the normal processes, right, like, no one's

529
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Speaker 1: going and actually, well, actually we just found out that

530
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Speaker 1: the whole season the engine's been detuned, and we're just

531
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Speaker 1: going to tune up Lenon. That's not going to happen,

532
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Speaker 1: and inversity, They're not going to go and slow Oscar's

533
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Speaker 1: car down because it's also hurting Norris's odds of the championship,

534
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Speaker 1: because Vestapan has been allowed to close in. If let's

535
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Speaker 1: say the result of this big verstap and swing, or

536
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Speaker 1: the cause of this big verstap and swing in his

537
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Speaker 1: favor and against them clarence favor, is because they've been

538
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Speaker 1: slowing one of their cars down, well that's silly, Like,

539
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Speaker 1: that's what a waste of time, what a waste of

540
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Speaker 1: millions of dollars of sending that other car around the

541
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Speaker 1: track every weekend just for it to finish behind who

542
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Speaker 1: might end that the driver might end up winning the time,

543
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Speaker 1: or from the rival team. So I think that element

544
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Speaker 1: of this idea is nonsense. The idea that they're going

545
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Speaker 1: out and actively slowing down who was at one point

546
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Speaker 1: the dominant championship leader or the comfortable championship leader in

547
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Speaker 1: what might end up being a long shot hope of

548
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Speaker 1: getting the other guy over the line. I don't believe that,

549
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Speaker 1: but I think it's totally believable that there's some parts

550
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Speaker 1: of McLaren. I don't think it's team principal Andrea Stella

551
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Speaker 1: because he's new to the team principalship, who might prefer

552
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Speaker 1: Norris to see it. A lot of people believe it

553
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Speaker 1: Zach Brown's doing. I think some of that's a little

554
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Speaker 1: bit residual from the way he dealt with Daniel Riccardo's

555
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Speaker 1: final year, and I think there's understandable hurt among some

556
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Speaker 1: Australian fans about that, even though it was pretty like

557
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: cold calculated business and what else is a formula one

558
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Speaker 1: CEO going to do? And some people have pointed out,

559
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Speaker 1: in fact, I've had messages directly about this, that Zach

560
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Speaker 1: Brown was an investor in Lando Norris's merch company Quadrant.

561
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Speaker 1: I think it was correct.

562
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Speaker 2: Key word you just mentioned there though, was.

563
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: Yes, it was. It's been sold. It got sold I

564
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Speaker 1: think earlier this year to volace Esports, and Zack Brown's

565
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: no longer a shareholder. Landa Norris is a shareholder in

566
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: that company though, So there's no kickback scenario in which

567
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: Zack Brown gets a bit of extra money from merch

568
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Speaker 1: because Lando Norris wins the title. That's nonsense as well,

569
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Speaker 1: and I suspect as well. I'd have to go back

570
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: and have a look up. I actually look this up.

571
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 1: But remember, I do remember there was a controversy in

572
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: during COVID when this merch line launched. I think I

573
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: think Landa Norris launched in twenty twenty when McLaren said,

574
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Speaker 1: you can't sell merchandise Ato McLaren log On without our approval.

575
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Speaker 1: So I suspect there might that might be part of

576
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Speaker 1: the reason why Zack Brown ended up getting involved in

577
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Speaker 1: this company. I think it's much less conspiratorial than some suspect.

578
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Speaker 2: Two quick things before we get off this point, and

579
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Speaker 2: I say, quick, it's a good go for ten minutes,

580
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Speaker 2: yere can we can we just douse the flames of

581
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: this whole nationalistic McLaren wants Norris to win because he's

582
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 2: a prittish driver thing. Let's have a look at McLaren.

583
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 2: It's a company founded by a New Zealand racer that

584
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Speaker 2: has significant barradi Raw family ownership, that's run by an American,

585
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: it has a tea principle who's Italian, so yes, they're

586
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Speaker 2: based in the UK. I think a lot of this

587
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: comes from and I don't want to labor the point

588
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 2: on this, A lot of this comes from the way

589
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: we can, as Australians consume Formula One with a British

590
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 2: commentary feed. I think that probably stirs that to a

591
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 2: greater proportion than it needs to be. That's one thing.

592
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: The other thing we talk about for staff and closing

593
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: and closing and closing. If it comes to a point

594
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: where one of the two McLaren drivers I either one

595
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: that's trailing in the World Championship, has to agree or

596
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: acquiesce to some sort of team order to ensure that

597
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: a McLaren driver wins the World Championship. If McLaren don't

598
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: do that and they have this World Championship taken from

599
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: underneath them at the last possible minute, that is absolutely insane.

600
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 2: If that goes down, that's just that's not the right

601
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: way to run a Formula One team. You're in to

602
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: win the Driver's Championship, and if you are going to

603
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: try and treat this so fairly between your two drivers

604
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Speaker 2: that you allow someone else to win. And I know

605
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: that's been hinted at in comments from McLaren in the past.

606
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 2: That's an easy thing to say when it's nine months

607
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 2: out from the championship decider, when the rubber hits the road,

608
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: this team needs to win the Driver's championship, and it

609
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: would be completely insane if one of the drivers wasn't

610
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: to ask to perhaps prioritize the driver that's ahead into

611
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: situation like that to prevent Max of staff and from

612
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: winning this.

613
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I look in principle, I agree. I just think

614
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: them and we've talked about this before, the McLaren has

615
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: worked so hard this year that it's almost inconceivable that

616
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: they turn around and change their mind on I think

617
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: that they back themselves into a corner whereby how can

618
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: they possibly internally justify backing one driver? I think I

619
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: think it'll obviously be different if the mathematics make it so,

620
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: you know, Orlando or Oscar retire from the next two

621
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Speaker 1: races and Max is right there, then it sort of

622
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: sort of makes the argument for itself, and they've left

623
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: the door open for that. Maybe if you're in Abu

624
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: Dhabi as well, even if the points are close, but

625
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: one driver's qualified better and he's racing better, and there's

626
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: some scenario, you know, like Sergias in twenty twenty one,

627
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: second time, with reference to Tranto, anyone this week this week,

628
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: you know who can slow down Maxim or something. Maybe

629
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: that's different. But I think I'm not sure if this

630
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: is just a merging general discussion of McLaren itself has

631
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: brought it up. This is also the second time we

632
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: brought up the twenty ten campaign. Rather where no one

633
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: would have suggested Sebastian Vettel was anywhere near favorite to

634
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: win the title in Abu Dab, so far behind on points,

635
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: but it happened that he ended up being in the

636
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: right place at the right time. How do you discount

637
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: against that? How do you tell the driver who might

638
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: be a few further points behind that you have to

639
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: give up your chance? And for all the you know,

640
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: we I don't want to relitigate twenty ten, but Red

641
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: Bull refused to back Mark Webber as its preferred title winner,

642
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: despite him being much closer to the lead on points

643
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: and having led the championship several times that season. But

644
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: you could argue that it was right because the championship

645
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: ended up being the other guy in a completely unaffected,

646
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: uninfluenced title decider. There's that argument to be made as well.

647
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the only time that Vettel led the championship

648
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Speaker 2: the entire season was after the last race. Yeah, and

649
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: was a race where he I was there twenty ten,

650
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: he completely won the race of merit completely dominated Weber

651
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: and Fernando a lot, so I got stuck back in

652
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: the pack. Good of Vatari Petrov. It's the first time

653
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: he's been mentioned on this podcast. But these things do

654
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: have a way of sorting themselves out. But yeah, it's

655
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: a side a potential conspiracy rather than natural conspiracy. But

656
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Speaker 2: my goodness, if it comes down to a point where

657
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Speaker 2: one driver has to run interference for the other one,

658
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Speaker 2: that'll be interesting.

659
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Speaker 1: Voted it will be and we will wait and see.

660
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Speaker 1: Four hours to go. As we've said, let's move to

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Speaker 1: Move of the Week, brought to you by Shannon's no

662
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Speaker 1: racing this weekend, Matt, I feel like this is this

663
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: is the time for your move of the week. This

664
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Speaker 1: is exactly the circumstances for a Matt Clayton move of

665
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Speaker 1: the weak.

666
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: This is prime Matt Clayton left field move of the

667
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: week territory. So I'm so glad that there was no

668
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Speaker 2: racing because I had a sleep and be because I

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Speaker 2: can get a little bit lateral. I'm going to go

670
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Speaker 2: two wheels this week with Moto GP Portugal is the

671
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Speaker 2: second last race of this year's season, coming up this weekend.

672
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 2: It was the second race of twenty twenty four. So

673
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: if you're looking for calendar moves March twenty twenty four

674
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: to November twenty twenty five, there's only been thirty eight

675
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Speaker 2: rounds since the last time we were in Portugal, or

676
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Speaker 2: if you like, seventy six starts, because we have sprints

677
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Speaker 2: at every single round. So I love the fact that

678
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Speaker 2: a this track is still on the calendar for Motor GP.

679
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: It's not the best track in Motor GP. I think

680
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: that's still Magello or Philip Island, but you remember this

681
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: from when F one went there for a few years.

682
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: It's got to be one of the most interesting tracks

683
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: that appears on the World Motorsport calendar because of the

684
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Speaker 2: absolutely insane elevation change that goes on all the way

685
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: around this circuit, particularly for the bikes because they will

686
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: actually get airborne several times over the course of a

687
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: laugh of porch Maw, which we love. So move of

688
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: the week for me is the what is that twenty

689
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: odd month gap between Portuguese Grand Prix and the fact

690
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Speaker 2: that's still on the calendar. That's a good move in

691
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Speaker 2: my book, because any move away from Portamow for bikes

692
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: would be a great, great shame. So that is Move

693
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Speaker 2: of the week for me, and possibly as left field

694
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Speaker 2: as I could make it, but I suggest you might

695
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Speaker 2: have something that's slightly more sensible, if a little bit

696
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Speaker 2: O two T no.

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Speaker 1: I like it. I think that's very good. I'm going

698
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Speaker 1: to involve all of our four wheeled, two of our

699
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Speaker 1: four with motorsports, Formula One and Supercars. I'm giving move

700
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Speaker 1: of the week Marinello in Italy to Brayside in suburban Melbourne.

701
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Speaker 2: Not something you hear off.

702
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: In fact, might be unprecedented. Lewis Hamilton's former performance engineer,

703
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: Ricardo Corte, has moved to Grove Racing, where he will

704
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: be race engineer for Kai Allen, a twenty year old

705
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: Supercars debutante still in finals contention this year. He'll start

706
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: work next year though in a little reshuffle at the

707
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: Supercars team. But just a remarkable move and he's chosen

708
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: to do this. He was sidelined as Lewis Hamilton's performance

709
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: engineer before the break, I think after the British Grand

710
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: Prix around about them, so he didn't, as you may

711
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: have read, ditch Lewis Hamilton to become Kyle Allen's race engineer.

712
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: Just respect to Kay Allen. He's a rookie though, but

713
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Speaker 1: he did decide after he'd been sidelined that it was

714
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: time to move on. For Ferrari, and he has decided

715
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Speaker 1: he wants to move to Australia in general and more

716
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Speaker 1: specifically Brayside. I guess the industrial powerhouse Melbourne's East. But

717
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: it's a great move obviously for Grove. They're getting a

718
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: Formula One experienced engineer, performance engineer who's I think going

719
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Speaker 1: to make a great contribution to a team that's already

720
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: on the up. Obviously, the Bathist winning team this year

721
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: second in the team's championship, Matt Payne's still one of

722
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: the key title contenders, and Alan also a title contender

723
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: still in the final system. So we shouldn't assume just

724
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: because this team is not called Triple Ace it can't

725
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: win a title in near future. It's a great move

726
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: for Grove, and you know what, a little bit of

727
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: Italian flare to the Melbourne Eastern suburbs is no bad.

728
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: Good news for the coffee makers and cafes of gray Side.

729
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: I dare say there'll be a bit of a test

730
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: cases where can I get my best stop your espresso

731
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: after dealing with them in the Ferrari workshop for several years.

732
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, that is not a move, a excellent, excellent

733
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: work to turn that into a move of the week.

734
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: Also not a move that we have heard before, and

735
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: I would suggest probably never again.

736
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: Yes, well, maybe it'll go really well and suddenly there'll

737
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: be a little traffic cost, the start of a trend

738
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: between central northern Italy and Melbourne. Who's to say it

739
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: can't happen.

740
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: Who knows.

741
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: Before we wrap up, Mapp, I want to look at

742
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: one of the other quiet battles still to go for

743
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: the last four rounds of the season. We have spend

744
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: too long on this because I think it's a commit

745
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: evolving battle and it's too close to be decided this weekend.

746
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: But second in the Constructors Championship, Yes it is the

747
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: first of the losers, one could say, but someone's got

748
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: to do it, and I think it's I haven't decided,

749
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: and I'll be interested to hear your opinion on this

750
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: whether it will be a good outcome for heav Finish's

751
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: second in a tight battle between Ferrari Mercedes and Red

752
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: Bull Racings only ten points, spreading all three of those teams,

753
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: or what it'll say about the drive, the team that

754
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: achieves it, and what was missing from them either contending

755
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: for first place obviously with McLaren or even if they

756
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: finished third or fourth. We've got Ferrari leading this remarkably,

757
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: I think, considering the team as yet to win a

758
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: Grand Prix. On three und fifty six points, Mercedes is

759
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: just one point further back, having lost second in mex

760
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Speaker 1: Go with a pretty honorary race there, and then Red

761
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: Bull Racing ten points behind. Now Red Bull Racing is

762
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: there pretty much only because of Max Verstappen. He is

763
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Speaker 1: scored all but I think twenty five of the team's

764
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: points something like that. Mercedes is there despite having one

765
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: and a half cars, I guess, considering how many races

766
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: Andre Kimi Antonelli failed to score in during the European

767
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: leg of the season in particular, and then Ferrari second

768
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: despite not being that good. So I don't know who

769
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: who who Who's best off winning second? It's a hard one.

770
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Speaker 2: Now. When I knew we were going to talk about this,

771
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: I did dust off the calculator and plug a few

772
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Speaker 2: numbers in for you, so for you and everyone listening,

773
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Speaker 2: so far, so Ferrari three to fifty six points, Charla

774
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Speaker 2: clur scored fifty nine percent of those. Therefore, Lewis Hamilton

775
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: forty one percent, Mercedes three hundred and fifty five points,

776
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 2: George Russell seventy three percent of that tally, Kimmi Antonelli

777
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Speaker 2: twenty seven percent, Red Bull Racing three hundred and forty

778
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: six points, or if you would like, Max Verstappen ninety

779
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Speaker 2: three percent of that tally, and between them, Yuki Sonoda

780
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Speaker 2: and Liam As have contributed seven percent. So that was

781
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: nice of those two to do that. It's seven more

782
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: percent that you and I, which is to say, not

783
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: a great deal what these three talies say to me

784
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: when you look at these numbers like this, If Ferrari

785
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: does not finish second in the Constructors World Championship, yes

786
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: we know they've not won a Grand Prix this year,

787
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 2: when you look at the fact that Mercedes is running

788
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: a rookie and a guy who hasn't scored a lot

789
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 2: of points in a lot of races, and Repell Racing

790
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: has been a one car team for twenty rounds. If

791
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 2: Ferrari can not finish second in this year's Constructors Championship,

792
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: given the names they have driving those two cars, and

793
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: I em becize the word names because Lewis Hamilton has

794
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 2: had a pretty sort of a season as a rookie.

795
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: En red if you like, if Ferrari don't finish second,

796
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: given the baked in advantages they should have in this

797
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: three team fight where the other two teams are so

798
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: obviously flawed, what does that say about Ferrari if you

799
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: can't even finish second in the Constructors Championship with a driver.

800
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Speaker 1: Lineup like that, Yeah, a driver lineup that's really dragging

801
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: along a car that, as we've seen, isn't really capable

802
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: of winning, capable of pole position. You know, I think

803
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: if they win a couple of races, or at least

804
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: one race in the second part of the second part

805
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: of your last four races, I mean, I think they'll

806
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: be in that territory we've talked about often, which is

807
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: the almost the honorable second place that gives you a

808
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: little bit of false hope for next year. I think

809
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: if Red Bull, also fred Bull Racing, finishes second, and

810
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see what the margin is to first,

811
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: that also highlights only you know, there'll be a lot

812
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: of there'll be a lot of you know, bigging up

813
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: that result. I guess for what of a bigger word,

814
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: because they'll have come from quite far back, they've had

815
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: a pretty ordinary middle part of the season. Or even

816
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: maxwis stapp and thought he couldn't win the driver's title. Obviously,

817
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: if the team wins, the driver's tied a little bit

818
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: sold as a good year. Be good year for Max, certainly,

819
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: but only underlines how much of a disaster that second

820
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: seat has been for the team in recent years that

821
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: it couldn't win. Presumably it would have been able to

822
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: win the Constructors Championship had had a driver operating at

823
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 1: at forty percent let's say, of the points of maxwith

824
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: Stappen to use the Ferrari percentages there. I think the

825
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: only team that would feel satisfied, if you like, about

826
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: finishing second is Mercedes because their second driver problem is

827
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: a wilful gamble. Isn't it that they knew they were

828
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: going to suffer this year with Antonelli being so green,

829
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: but that it'll be for a long term benefit.

830
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: Well, and he's only going I mean, you would suggest

831
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: someone of his talent and once he gets the experience

832
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: under his belt, he's only going to get better. This

833
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: might be the worst version of Kimmie Antonelli we see

834
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: if his career tracks along as we suspect it will be.

835
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: But you look at you know the interesting thing for me,

836
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: if Rebell Racing is able to finish second, doesn't that

837
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 2: almost guarantee that Max Mustaven wins the World Championship? Quite frankly,

838
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: because if he's scoring enough points to haul a one

839
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: car team into second place in the Constructors' Championship, therefore

840
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 2: scoring the points that Ferrari and Mercedes don't over these

841
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: last four races, that's going to be a significant slab

842
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: of points that could absolutely make him world champion. So

843
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 2: it's a really interesting ten points between three teams, but

844
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: there's different storylines between the three. If Ferrari don't finish second,

845
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: it's a massive fail for them. Mercedes will be pretty

846
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: wrapped if they do finish second because they've carried a

847
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: rookie for the entire year. But if they don't, they've

848
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: got the baked in excuse. And as you said about

849
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: Red Bull Racing, even if they had it doesn't even

850
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: need to be a Lewis Hamilton percentage contribution to the

851
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: overall team tally. Imagine if they had a driver that

852
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: was scoring twenty seven percent of the team's points like

853
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: Antonelli is from Mercedes, red Bull probably finished the second

854
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: in the constructors Championship pretty comfortably. So yeah, it does

855
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: highlight what an absolute debarkle that second seat has been

856
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: at Red Bull quite frankly since Daniel Riccardo left. It's

857
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 2: a problem. They've just filtered different names through. It hasn't

858
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: been resolved. We're still looking here in November wondering what

859
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: they're going to do in twenty twenty six A and B,

860
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: wondering if that's going to make any difference or whatsoever.

861
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Speaker 2: Because this is just the story of Red Bull Racing

862
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 2: since they had the very early Max Mistaff and Daniel

863
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: Riccardo partnership that was twenty eighteen, it's basically ancient history

864
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: at this point. So yeah, interesting fight. But if Ferrari

865
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: can't finish second with that driver lineup, then there's some

866
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: questions there, isn't there.

867
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a good call. And on the

868
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: vistab and title od, I think they could STI finish

869
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: second without him winning because the difference is only ten points.

870
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: But I think if they finish, I think would highlight

871
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: you know, if he had a driver scoring, as you say,

872
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: even twenty seven percent of his points, those points would

873
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: have come presumably some of them off McLaren drivers, and

874
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: he would have then won the driver's title. So whether

875
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 1: or not he does it, if that team finishes second,

876
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: you can say, you know, in a week in which

877
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: we've been talking about moral Championship victories because of Felipe

878
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: Mass's legal action in the UK courts in two thousand

879
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: and eight, you could call Max for Staffan the moral

880
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: victor if only his team had cared enough to put

881
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 1: a more competitive driver or fix that second car. Maybe

882
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: it's not just the driver, it is the fact that

883
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: no one seems capable of driving that other car. That

884
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: will be costing them. You can start telling up how

885
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: many championship it's cost them, Probably cost them the constructor

886
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: started last year. Maybe it's going to cost them both

887
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: this year with a car that, despite its problems in

888
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: the middle of the campaign, had the capacity to do

889
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: the business perhaps and maybe still can do some of

890
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: it well.

891
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: And as we've read in recent weeks, it does show

892
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: you what a great job Sergio Perez was doing just

893
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: ask Surgerio. He'll tell you.

894
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: Maybe it could be a moral JVD himself. Oh yes,

895
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: all right, before we wrap up, let's go to the

896
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: crystal ball, brought to you by Complete home Filtration. There

897
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: was no racing at the weekend, but there'll be no

898
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,959
Speaker 1: shortage of racing between here and almost Christmas. To be honest,

899
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: at least halfway through December. We've got both MURDERGIVN Formula

900
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: One this weekend, Supercars the weekend after. What are you predicting?

901
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: All right, so we've got maxvastap and I'm looking at

902
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: here because he's thirty six points off the series lead.

903
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: Now you mentioned is a sprint weekend or as now

904
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 2: we're just calling it F one sprint. I'm looking forward

905
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: to F one sprint. Say, a lot of the press

906
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: release is heading into sal Plo this weekend. The fact

907
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: we have a maximumber thirty three points available across the

908
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: course of the weekend. My crystal ball's telling me that

909
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 2: this stappens going to outscore both McLaren's this weekend and

910
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: the lead is going to be below twenty five points

911
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: after we leave intel Agos on Monday, boarding Australian time,

912
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: which is less than one Grand Prix worth of points

913
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: with three rounds to go, and one of those three

914
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: rounds of course in Qatar a sprint. I think it's

915
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: going to be within the realms that Maxvstappen could take

916
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: the lead at the next round, because I think he's

917
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 2: going to be twenty five points or below the series

918
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: lead once we leave into Lagos, given the way Max's

919
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: race to Interlagos in the past three race wins there,

920
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: it's going to rain at Interlagos. Not exactly a news flash,

921
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: but the latest forecast I saw was potential raid on

922
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: Saturday and Sunday. He's good at that circuit in the dry,

923
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 2: he's even better in the wet. So I feel very confident,

924
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: despite having absolutely no crystal ball form whatsoever, that this

925
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: one is actually going to hit for a change. But

926
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: you've been on a decent run if we ignore the

927
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 2: last episode, which you have just banished that from your

928
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 2: ears everybody, But what's your crystal ball telling you?

929
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? I like that one. I'm going to say we

930
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 1: are going to get at least one wet race, whether

931
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: it is the Grand Prix or the in all in

932
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: Capital's F one Sprint registered trademark. I believe on least

933
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: one of those words. And I think that wet podium

934
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: is going to feature no McLaren drivers on it. Oh boy,

935
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: I think that's probably gonna tally very nicely with your

936
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: prediction there that maxis staff and is certainly going to

937
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: close some points. Not saying it would be the Grand

938
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: Prix or the sprint podium. It seems like the Sprint's

939
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: the more likely event to be wet, but we will see.

940
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: It'll also been in a wet qualifying presumably, which will

941
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 1: also be quite interesting.

942
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: I do like it just for you. We've said this before.

943
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: We cheer the narrative here. We love a good story,

944
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: and yeah, this is building quite nicely to the boil.

945
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: And I'm glad that if one races it into Lagoso

946
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: any time. But when you've got a weather forecast like

947
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: this and a championship as finally poised as this one is,

948
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: then bring it on.

949
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Speaker 1: It is exciting. But that's all the time we have

950
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: for pit Talk today. You can subscribe to Pittalk wherever

951
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,040
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952
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: a rating and review as well. This weekend is the

953
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: Portuguese Motorcycle Grand Prix at midnight Sunday night, followed by

954
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: the Formula one South Paolo Grand Prix at four am.

955
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: That's on Monday. You can keep up to date with

956
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: all the latest F one, Modo, GP and supercars news

957
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: at Foxsports dot com dot au from Matt Clayton and me,

958
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: Michael Lomonado. Thanks very much for your company and we'll

959
00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: get you next week