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Speaker 1: Jason Jason Lawrence Clean here from the newsroom as well.

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Speaker 1: On a big night tonight.

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Speaker 2: It is AFL Tribunal Tuesday, they're calling it. There's been

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Speaker 2: a few big cases so far this year. We saw

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Speaker 2: a player a few weeks ago cop seven weeks wow

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Speaker 2: for a I wouldn't say similar bump but for a

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Speaker 2: bump off the boards and killed as Jimmy website that

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Speaker 2: was tonight. It's Essenon's Peter Wright, otherwise known as two

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Speaker 2: meter Peter.

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Speaker 3: So he was in an incident where a player got

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Speaker 3: can cast yes and the player a big hit. The

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Speaker 3: player obviously had to go off with the concussion rule, yes,

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Speaker 3: he got to keep playing. And outside of this issue

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Speaker 3: about him going to the tribunal tonight and how many

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Speaker 3: weeks he's going to get and all of that, there's

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Speaker 3: been an enormous amount of debate as to whether the

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Speaker 3: players should be sent off or get a red card

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Speaker 3: like they do in other sports.

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Speaker 2: Lee Matthew is one of the hardest players ever to

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Speaker 2: play the game, one of the most decorated players in

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Speaker 2: AFL history. Reckons it should be a player for players,

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Speaker 2: so basically players can cast in this sort of incident

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Speaker 2: to go off read cards, see you later.

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, like, because Lou and I having my

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Speaker 1: wife and I having a lot of chats about school sport,

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Speaker 1: and you know, because one of the boys wants to

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Speaker 1: play AFL at the moment, and my wife's very concerned

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Speaker 1: about it about AFL just well, she didn't want to

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Speaker 1: play rugby league or rugby union. And then we've been

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Speaker 1: watching a lot of footy lately and she's been seeing

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Speaker 1: the hits in the news and she's like, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know, well, foot he's back for a lot of

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Speaker 2: kids surround this time I was kick you know, you

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Speaker 2: got suburban footy kicking off as well. So it has

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Speaker 2: sparked this wider debate. I thought we might get a

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Speaker 2: friend on to discuss it.

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Speaker 4: He would call himself one of the greats of the game,

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Speaker 4: wouldn't he.

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Speaker 2: A hard man of the AFL? And if they had

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Speaker 2: to send off rule, I reckon he might be in

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Speaker 2: a little bit of trouble from time to time. Campbell

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Speaker 2: Brown Good morning.

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Speaker 3: Morning Brownie, Good morning guys.

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Speaker 5: How I've had twenty nine weeks suspension over my tree,

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Speaker 5: So I don't think I'm first in talking about tri

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Speaker 5: Journals decision.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how many how many times do you reckon you

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Speaker 3: would have copt a red card, Brownie?

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Speaker 5: Oh, probably a few. I copped a yellow card against

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Speaker 5: Ireland ended the series in two thousand and eight. But look,

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Speaker 5: I've had a good hard think about this and I

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Speaker 5: don't think we want to become anything like soccer. I

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Speaker 5: get the debate around it, but we just don't see

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Speaker 5: incidents behind play, premeditated vicious incidents to take players down.

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Speaker 5: But what we've seen a couple of times this year

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Speaker 5: is are guys that have overstepped the mark, split second decision.

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Speaker 5: They've chosen to bump Jimmy Webster and mistimed it. And

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Speaker 5: then obviously what you're reinforced from coaches from a young age,

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Speaker 5: especially if you're a key forward, is make a contest.

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Speaker 5: You've got to bring the border ground. And you could

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Speaker 5: see that going through Peter Wright. He goes, I'm going

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Speaker 5: to I'm a split second off here, but I need

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Speaker 5: to jump and bring the border ground. And he's made

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Speaker 5: a horrible decision on how he Cunningham High and he's

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Speaker 5: going to copy his four or five weeks.

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Speaker 1: But hang on, Brownie, right there, he said, sometimes you

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Speaker 1: have a step the mark so surely by bringing something

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Speaker 1: in like a send off rule, that would just put

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Speaker 1: the element of doubt in players' minds. I hang, and

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Speaker 1: I might have to pull back here. I've got to

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Speaker 1: be careful, you know.

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Speaker 2: Well can he pull back?

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Speaker 6: That's the questions.

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Speaker 5: I get that, But where, like, where does it end?

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Speaker 5: Because sometimes a very legal tackle and player gets a

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Speaker 5: free kick for holding the ball for the player head

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Speaker 5: hits the ground and it's just really unlucky to get custo.

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Speaker 5: He's sending that guy off as well?

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Speaker 6: That would be the unpast decision.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is the thing though, but sometimes like a

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Speaker 3: player gets reported for for contact and then it goes

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Speaker 3: make it to the tribunal, So you could be sending

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Speaker 3: players off when actually they haven't done anything wrong as well,

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Speaker 3: So it does change the game when rules like when

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Speaker 3: red card rules.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, what's your thoughts on Lee Matthews idea? Lee

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Speaker 1: Matthews idea about player? You know, if guy's been, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: So should the other player?

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Speaker 5: I strongly disagree with it. I just I don't think

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Speaker 5: that we need that in football. It is a contact

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Speaker 5: sports a three hundred and sixty degree.

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Speaker 1: You know, are you disagreeing with it because you know

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Speaker 6: The same.

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Speaker 5: I'm glad I'm not playing footage these days because I

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Speaker 5: would have been in the gun for a few incidents.

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Speaker 2: Well, Brownie, I mean the flip side of this is

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Speaker 2: the game getting too soft.

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Speaker 5: It's not getting soft. Maybe it is as hard as

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Speaker 5: it's ever been and it's as safe as it's ever been.

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Speaker 5: The AFL obviously have the massive lawsuit hanging over them

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Speaker 5: in terms of the concussions that have happened in the past,

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Speaker 5: and they're going to come down extremely hard on any

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Speaker 5: player that oversteps the mark and does this. But we're

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Speaker 5: not seeing violent incidents here. We're seeing guys that have

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Speaker 5: just in You're running at full pace and you need

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Speaker 5: to make a split secking decision. Do I pull up

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Speaker 5: a man the mark? Do I try and bring it

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Speaker 5: things like that. I honestly think the most dangerous part

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Speaker 5: at him lift his knee up. We see Stephen May

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Speaker 5: with broken ribs. We've seen players neat in the back

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Speaker 5: of the head. We've had players lose their careers Daniel

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Speaker 5: Venables because of incidence, Like that's far more dangerous than

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Speaker 5: some of the other incidents that we've seen out on

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Speaker 5: the footy field. And so do you draw the line?

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Speaker 5: We always say, oh, the specky, the big mark is

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Speaker 5: such a unique part of ASL footy. It's also one

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Speaker 5: of the most dangerous. That is when players absolutely get

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Speaker 5: getting the most around usition. So where does it end, Brannie.

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Speaker 6: You're a dad.

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of kids are going to be

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Speaker 2: going back to oz kick and you know, playing junior footy,

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Speaker 2: are grappling with this idea of you know, there is

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Speaker 5: Well, I think it all just comes down to how

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Speaker 5: there's risk. If you want to just had the F one,

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Speaker 5: charding and then become an F one driver, Is there

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Speaker 5: risk involved in that? Yes, it's all about risk reward

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Speaker 5: and what you're prepared to put up with. I have

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Speaker 5: no problems whatsoever sending my children into play asl footing,

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Speaker 5: knowing that every year they're making more and more steps

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Speaker 5: to make it safer and safer for players.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm going to call you on that, because

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Speaker 1: I don't think what helps then is having past players

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Speaker 1: get on the air and be like, nah, we don't

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Speaker 1: want to bring in rules like this, and back in

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Speaker 1: my day, I probably would have spend half the time

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Speaker 6: I know.

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Speaker 1: Listening to you right now, if because my wife and

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Speaker 1: I were literally having this fight on the weekend about,

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Speaker 1: you know, whether they should play footy, and I can

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Speaker 1: see you now she was listening to you, she'd be like, see,

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Speaker 1: there you go, like it is different.

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Speaker 5: I'm not bragging about it, Jason. I'm not bragging about

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Speaker 5: it all. I'm just saying that it was a different year.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying that anything that happened is acceptable. You

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Speaker 5: just ask me whether parents would be having concerns, and

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Speaker 5: I simply say that's in the hands of the parents.

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Speaker 5: Every parents look after their children differently. I have no

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Speaker 5: problem with my children playing football at any level, and

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Speaker 5: it might and that's fine, And.

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Speaker 4: The AFL are definitely taking steps.

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Speaker 3: So what we know now we didn't know then, Like

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Speaker 3: ten years ago, we didn't really understand the damage that

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Speaker 3: AFL have definitely put in rules to try and make

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Speaker 3: it safe.

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Speaker 2: What does he cop tonight, Brownie, I think you're top

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Speaker 2: four if they want to, if they want to be

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Speaker 2: a little bit harsher, it'll be five.

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Speaker 5: I thought Jimmy Webster would get six. They gave him seven.

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Speaker 5: It's clearly a time from the AFL to say, hey,

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Speaker 5: it very very hard. And that is I mean five weeks.

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Speaker 6: If we get to the whole reson of the season,

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Speaker 5: To come back through the twos for that's fitness. It's

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Speaker 5: a big stint and he deserves it, but that is

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Speaker 5: going to hit him far harder than getting sent off

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Speaker 5: on the night and letting the whole team down and

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Speaker 5: things like that help you to bud all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Campbell brown join us on the air. You can

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Speaker 1: catch him in action on Brownie's podcast as well.

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Speaker 6: Hey good time this.

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Speaker 5: Morning, Mate's gone.

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Speaker 1: See buddy Hey thirteen, twenty four ten. I'm just thinking

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Speaker 1: it's about this.

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Speaker 2: About this time of year when parents send their kids

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Speaker 2: to footy, right, have you got any hesitation? You're worried?

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Speaker 1: I know we've been having a discussion now place that

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Speaker 1: ain't twenty four ten. We'd love to hear if other

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Speaker 4: Your boys play footing.

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Speaker 1: No, no, but Felix is just because he started really

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Speaker 1: And because he's capped out from oz kick, he would

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Speaker 1: So that's why the missus and oh you know, and

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Speaker 1: then she puts on the news and sees all the

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Speaker 6: They ain't twenty four ten.

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Speaker 1: If you want to join us on the air, we

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Speaker 1: are talking footy and the possible send off real coming

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Speaker 1: into effect.

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Speaker 6: Let's be honest.

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Speaker 1: It's brought up concern for a lot of parents out

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Speaker 1: there whose kids want to play footy.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think.

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Speaker 3: I think for many years there's been a lot of

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Speaker 3: a lot of parents to go into putting their kids

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Speaker 3: hits on the weekend. Many sports can be dangerous. Many

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Speaker 3: things we do in life can be dangerous. Jace, you're

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I've had chats about.

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Speaker 4: It, concerned enough to not let them join.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're currently playing basketball and only recently one of

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Speaker 6: Really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so to you and your wife are both killed

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Speaker 4: What about golf for tenants and make more coin there?

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Speaker 4: As a parent it's more of an all day sport.

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Speaker 2: But there are parents right now grappling with his very

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Speaker 2: Shanney kicks us off in hoppers crossing Shane, what's your situation?

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Speaker 2: What are you kids doing?

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Speaker 7: Yeah? Morning, guys born a young fellasick and he's came

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Speaker 7: are you sure you wanted to play footing. I said, definitely,

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Speaker 4: Did Shaney say sorry? Under seven so they don't tackle?

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Lisa on thurtey and twenty four ten least.

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Speaker 1: What's your thoughts?

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Speaker 7: Hi?

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Speaker 8: I actually, well, firstly, I want to say you guys

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Speaker 8: to say that any sport can be quite dangerous. My

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Speaker 8: So any sport can be dangerous in some ways. I

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Speaker 2: Lisa, Are they playing basketball because they like it or

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 8: They love basketball. They do did tackle with like sort

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Speaker 8: of going with footy as well. Yeah, but obviously stayed

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean kids, kids do get kids get

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Someone told me monkey bars are banned in schools.

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Speaker 3: Is that true?

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Speaker 6: What? No monkey bus a is still up? Shut?

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Speaker 3: Someone told me they've been banned in schools. Is where

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Speaker 3: all injuries happen?

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Speaker 1: No, unless I go school today and they've got the

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Speaker 6: I've seen them still up all.

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Speaker 4: Right, Angela in Narry Warren South.

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Speaker 3: You're you've got an eight year old who's just about

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Speaker 4: How do you feel about it?

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Speaker 9: I'm feeling a bit apprehensive. Welcome back, by the way, guys,

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Speaker 9: I've missed you. Love it, love that you're back. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: Horby's just finished, like he's just retired, and I kept

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Speaker 9: saying to my son, oh, you can start playing when

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Speaker 5: Just like, oh, what whatries you?

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Speaker 9: And just the I don't know, just the you know, tackles.

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Speaker 9: I mean, they don't tackle it at that age. But

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Speaker 9: you don't know the other kids on other teams. I've

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Speaker 9: once that tackle happens, you can only you know, do

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Speaker 9: so much. It's already happened.

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Speaker 5: What do you do?

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Speaker 6: Then your other kids are playing basketball?

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Speaker 9: My other kids, Yeah, I've got a nineteen year old

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Speaker 10: Play our basketball.

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Speaker 9: They've always played basketball. They've never been interested in anything else.

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Speaker 9: So Adam also plays basketball.

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Speaker 5: But just just know you can hear it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think parents, like generally, when you send

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Speaker 6: Jays absolutely, But.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a false sense of security

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Speaker 1: I would actually like the boys to play footy, But

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Speaker 1: I just I don't like when people are against any

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Speaker 6: Up the game.

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Speaker 3: No, but the AFL are working very hard to clean

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Speaker 3: That absolutely is happening. To bring in something like a

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Speaker 4: So it's not it.

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Speaker 2: Would change AFL. There's already red cards actually in suburban footy,

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Speaker 3: So I think it's unfair to say that people are

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Speaker 4: And do we need a red card? Is it would

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Speaker 1: Then bring in a yellow card system warning, you know,

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Speaker 3: And I do think the game is different to how

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Speaker 4: It was a split second wrong decision quite often.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap up with Lisa on thirteen twenty

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Speaker 10: What's your thoughts, Hi, guys, I've got a thirteen year

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Speaker 10: She loved this season that much. She was in a

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Speaker 10: maybe a little bump. It will make them stronger. But

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Speaker 10: I've got a girl that's playing with big boys and

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Speaker 4: She loves it.

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Speaker 10: Don't take it away from your kids. Let your kids

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Speaker 2: She would be having the conversation though it's a healthy

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Speaker 10: Surely I definitely have the conversation. But you know, she's

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Speaker 10: it's a healthy environment. And you know what, it's amazing

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Speaker 3: Do you send her out though with a mouthguard? And

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Speaker 3: does she have projective equipment that she's playing with, Yes, yes.

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Speaker 10: The helmets. She's got braceist that needs the mouthguard.

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Speaker 4: It's a great game. Foot is a great game.

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Speaker 3: I hate the thought of people not wanting to play it,

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Speaker 6: I mean, basketball's indoors.

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Speaker 3: You can have a lot of coffee, you like the

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Speaker 3: One hundred Jason Lauren Bolling good on Socials