Speaker 1: Line is sharing.
Speaker 2: Good evening well.
Speaker 3: First tonight to the real story behind the shock appointment
Speaker 3: of Liberal powerbroker Matt.
Speaker 2: Kean joining Tim Albo today.
Speaker 3: Keem stands accused of being a turn coat by the
Speaker 3: Liberals after Albinezi announced he chair the Climate Change Authority.
Speaker 4: Mister Keane understands the opportunity that the transition to clean
Speaker 4: energy represents for our nation.
Speaker 5: I'll be making decisions and providing advice to the government
Speaker 5: based on facts and I'm really looking forward to getting
Speaker 5: into the facts.
Speaker 3: Keen is divisive, he's polarizing, and he's always been highly ambitious.
Speaker 3: Liberal sources told me that he was considering running against
Speaker 3: federal Liberal Paul Fletcher, or even potentially challenging the New
Speaker 3: South Wales leader Mark Speakman.
Speaker 2: But this role share of the Climate Change.
Speaker 3: Authority, you'll give him a high profile platform, quite separate
Speaker 3: from the Liberal Party. Political insiders are speculating that Keene
Speaker 3: could use his new position to launch a future career
Speaker 3: in Federal Parliament as the informal leader of the Teals.
Speaker 3: A key piece of this is that Matt Kean is
Speaker 3: very close to Malcolm Turbull. You'll recall that Keen appointed
Speaker 3: Turnbull to be the chair of the New South Wales
Speaker 3: government's Clean Energy Advisory Board, but political uproar saw him
Speaker 3: rescind that offer. Now Turbull's number one enemy is Peter Dutton,
Speaker 3: who was plotting a leadership challenge against him as Prime Minister.
Speaker 3: In August twenty eighteen, my front page story revealing this
Speaker 3: planned a challenge prompted Turbull to call a leadership spill,
Speaker 3: and less than a week later he was no longer
Speaker 3: Prime Minister.
Speaker 2: In this new role, Matt Kean will come up against.
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton, even though they've had had a good relationship
Speaker 3: in the past. Already Today, Keen dismissed Dutton's plans for
Speaker 3: nuclear energy.
Speaker 5: In order to bring nuclear into the system, it would
Speaker 5: take far too long and would be far too expensive
Speaker 5: for New South Wales. Now, I didn't want to bankrupt
Speaker 5: the state and I didn't want to put those huge
Speaker 5: costs onto families.
Speaker 3: Well, those comments came despite the fact that Matt Keane
Speaker 3: supported nuclear energy just three years ago.
Speaker 2: As Andrew Clenell pointed out, today, do you.
Speaker 6: Think we'll ever have nuclear power stations in Australia?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 5: There's some exciting things happening on the nuclear front. So
Speaker 5: a company in the United States is developing technology around
Speaker 5: small modular nuclear reactors into the future, will nuclear have
Speaker 5: a role to play? I think so and I hope so.
Speaker 5: But right now I can't bet on technology that isn't
Speaker 5: readily available.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 2: When he was Energy Minister in New South Wales and also.
Speaker 3: Treasurer, Matt Keen wanted to rush the closure of the
Speaker 3: largest culified power station in the state. It was a
Speaker 3: move that Labor Premier Chris Mins has had to reverse,
Speaker 3: and in fact Mins is now extending the life cycle
Speaker 3: of a rearing until twenty twenty seven just to make
Speaker 3: sure the lights stay on. This was an extraordinary move
Speaker 3: and it shows that Matt Keen was more radical and
Speaker 3: more ambitious in his rush to transition to renewables than
Speaker 3: even New South Wales Labor. This has undermined his authority
Speaker 3: in the energy space. Now, Keen wasn't just a former
Speaker 3: state treasurer, but until a few days ago he was
Speaker 3: the leader of the moderate faction for the entire Liberal Party.
Speaker 3: Now he's joined the enemy team Albow. The truth is
Speaker 3: that Matt Keen is despised by many in the Liberal
Speaker 3: Party with senior figures today calling him treachery and a traitor.
Speaker 3: But even before today's move, he was far from loyal
Speaker 3: to the Liberal Party. During the federal election campaign, he
Speaker 3: tried to stir up controversy for then Prime Minister Scott Morrison.
Speaker 3: He texted a Channel ten journalist encouraging her to pursue
Speaker 3: the controversy surrounding Liberal candidate Catherine Deeves. He texted the
Speaker 3: reporter saying you should pap her. That reporter, by the way,
Speaker 3: is now one of eleven media advisors for Anthony Albanesi.
Speaker 3: Senior Liberal figures were shocked at the time that Keene
Speaker 3: was trying to deliberately sabotage Scott Morrison's prospects in favor
Speaker 3: of Albanesi, and then Labor premiers Mark mcgow and, Anisaja
Speaker 3: Palische and Daniel Andrews were all out there campaigning to
Speaker 3: help Alberzi win, and yet one of the most senior
Speaker 3: figures in the New South Wales Liberal government was working
Speaker 3: against his own party's prospects well. The first time Matt
Speaker 3: Kean spoke out against the Liberal Party federally was here
Speaker 3: on this show in twenty twenty when he accused Scott
Speaker 3: Morrison of failing.
Speaker 2: To take action on climate change.
Speaker 3: The next day, Morrison retorted that no one even knew
Speaker 3: who Matt Keen was. Ironically, these comments made Matt Kean
Speaker 3: a more well recognized name.
Speaker 5: My understanding is some of the most senior members of
Speaker 5: the government and they're not moderates, they're from the right
Speaker 5: of the party cabinet and they are saying that this
Speaker 5: is a huge issue cabnet in cabinet. Absolutely, And can
Speaker 5: I just say, Sherry, I mean this is because their
Speaker 5: communities are crying out.
Speaker 7: They're listening to.
Speaker 5: The majority of people in their electorates that are saying,
Speaker 5: we want you to protect our environment, but we don't
Speaker 5: want you to do it in a way that's going
Speaker 5: to destroy our economy.
Speaker 8: Mc keen doesn't know what he's talking about. He doesn't
Speaker 8: know what's going on in the federal cabinet. Most of
Speaker 8: the federal cabinet wouldn't even know who mat Key was.
Speaker 3: The biggest mistake when it comes to energy policy in
Speaker 3: Australia is that it's been driven by ideology over and
Speaker 3: above energy security or cost. Peter Dutton has suggested nuclear
Speaker 3: energy form part of the energy mix, not all of it.
Speaker 3: But in recent days we've seen a farcical display of
Speaker 3: Labour rejecting nuclear energy because of ridiculous suggestions of three eyed.
Speaker 2: Fish and three eyed koalas.
Speaker 3: This line of attack only diminishes Labour's credibility. If there
Speaker 3: is a serious objection to nuclear well let's hear it,
Speaker 3: let's have the debate. But so far Albanezi's resistance to
Speaker 3: pursuing nuclear as part of the energy solution is ideological
Speaker 3: because he himself has been against nuclear policy for.
Speaker 2: Almost as long as he's been in Parliament. The times
Speaker 2: have moved on.
Speaker 3: Thirty two countries internationally now rely on nuclear energy. Polling
Speaker 3: shows Australians are open to the nuclear conversation and even
Speaker 3: our aucust submarine's.
Speaker 2: Are nuclear powered. With all of this in mind, Matt.
Speaker 3: Keane will be a useless weapon if Labor tries to
Speaker 3: use him against Dutton.
Speaker 2: In the lead up to the next election.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 3: Also coming up on the show tonight, the University of
Speaker 3: Sydney under fire for appeasing extremist fringe groups. The former
Speaker 3: Deputy Commonwealth DPP and one of the country's most formidable.
Speaker 2: Crime fighters will join me live to discuss this.
Speaker 3: Also, the failure of law enforcement to protect Australians. Plus
Speaker 3: how Albinizi is using Victoria as a dumping ground for
Speaker 3: his bigger Australia migration policies and the eye watering pay
Speaker 3: rise Albo has given to his left wing.
Speaker 2: Mate, the new Governor General.
Speaker 3: How can he possibly defe and this pay rise during
Speaker 3: the cost of living crisis. But first, now let's bring
Speaker 3: in tonight's panel Sky News contributed Joe Hildebrand and host
Speaker 3: Listora Great Casino. Now, I just want to add to
Speaker 3: this a couple of extra points that I've learned tonight
Speaker 3: during my many phone.
Speaker 2: Calls on this matter.
Speaker 3: Firstly, it looks like the Liberal Party is not going
Speaker 3: to expel Matt Kean. The Liberal Party needs his support.
Speaker 3: They think they need his support for the upcoming by
Speaker 3: election in his own seat. Meanwhile, Peter Duttan's office doesn't
Speaker 3: think this is such a terrible move to have Matt
Speaker 3: Keen in this role.
Speaker 2: They say that.
Speaker 3: He's so that the people who know him dislike him,
Speaker 3: that he's unpopular, and that having him on the side
Speaker 3: of Albo won't help their case. Pretty much in the
Speaker 3: same way that having Chris Bowen as Energy Minister also
Speaker 3: diminishes their case because he is so strongly disliked.
Speaker 2: Liz, what do you think about this? I mean, Australians
Speaker 2: haven't warmed to Matt Kean.
Speaker 3: There were multiple policy failures in New South Wales. Chrismins
Speaker 3: has had to reverse the closure or delay the closure
Speaker 3: of a wearing. So it is a curious decision and
Speaker 3: it looks like Labor thought it was just being too
Speaker 3: smart to make this.
Speaker 9: Move, too smart by half. They're like, look, we've got
Speaker 9: to live on side. He's going to be heading it up. Now,
Speaker 9: look at this independent body. Look perhaps it was a
Speaker 9: bit of stroke of genius on their part, because that
Speaker 9: does now look quite bipartisan. But Matt Kean has been
Speaker 9: the left of the party for a very long time.
Speaker 9: I know you said he used to head up the moderates.
Speaker 9: I think there are a lot of moderates who would disagree.
Speaker 2: With that, even if that was his official position.
Speaker 9: I think that this is a perfect appointment for Labor.
Speaker 9: This is where Keen has always belonged, heading up the
Speaker 9: climate Communism Authority.
Speaker 2: It's a hand in glove appointment.
Speaker 9: But what I can't get over is how quickly he's
Speaker 9: just switched from being re elected doing his thing to
Speaker 9: just stepping out the door for a by election because
Speaker 9: he's got a better offer. Basically, well, people.
Speaker 3: It depends on the timing, and there's a lot of
Speaker 3: thought that this was a very last minute appointment that
Speaker 3: he announced his restoration to join the private sector. And
Speaker 3: by the way, on Tuesday, I think, and by the way,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of inside speculation that Matt Kean might
Speaker 3: go work with Malcolm Turbull.
Speaker 2: He's got a renewable energy company.
Speaker 3: Malcolm Turbull and Lucy Turbull were at Matt Kean's valedictory speech,
Speaker 3: so there's a lot of speculation he might go join
Speaker 3: the Turbules.
Speaker 2: But do you find that hard to believe?
Speaker 8: Though, don't you?
Speaker 9: Resigns like less than a week ago and says it's
Speaker 9: to join the private sector, and within a week he's
Speaker 9: just got this amazing opportunity and he's off work.
Speaker 10: It's perfectly possible.
Speaker 9: It's not saying it's impossible, but it's a bit hard
Speaker 9: to swallow, I think, and what to say that fact? Yet,
Speaker 9: now we've got to fork out for a by election.
Speaker 2: This is a guy who ran.
Speaker 9: Obviously, when you run, you're promising your elector I'm going
Speaker 9: to stick. That sort of stuff happens all the time
Speaker 9: he leaves for a better role.
Speaker 10: I think the problem is, firstly, Matt Kean announced his
Speaker 10: resignation from the Parliament on the day of the New
Speaker 10: South Wales state budget that was handled down by Daniel Wokingham,
Speaker 10: magnificent human being. They of Crispians, Daniel and Preuka, and
Speaker 10: that was seen very much among the New South Wales
Speaker 10: right of the Labor Party as a real sort of
Speaker 10: dog act to sort of you know, look at me,
Speaker 10: look at me, trying to divert all the attention to him,
Speaker 10: as as Matt Kean is wont to do at a
Speaker 10: time when the New South Wales government has delivered five
Speaker 10: billion in social housing, something no one can actually remember doing,
Speaker 10: probably the best state budget I've ever seen anyway, point
Speaker 10: bing I talked to a lot of people in the
Speaker 10: Labor Player that night and the idea that if that
Speaker 10: had been known, that had been known that Matt Kean
Speaker 10: was about to take up a cushy labor job federally
Speaker 10: on the day it was doing that. You know, these
Speaker 10: guys are very very sensible, practical, calm and common sense people,
Speaker 10: But there would have been a riot, people would have been.
Speaker 2: So is why they.
Speaker 3: That tells you how the sense I've got, but you know,
Speaker 3: I haven't confirmed it yet, But the sense I've got
Speaker 3: is that this is a last minute thought bubble.
Speaker 2: A captain's speaker Albourne Easy was taken to cabinet at
Speaker 2: the last minute.
Speaker 3: Was asked about this today whether it was a captain's pick,
Speaker 3: and he just said, I went through the usual processes,
Speaker 3: which meant presumably that it was taken to cabinet, but.
Speaker 10: Then also it is to assume but no particular changing.
Speaker 1: I thought.
Speaker 10: I thought, without knowing this is coming up, didn't didn't
Speaker 10: go through the usual process of applying for it was
Speaker 10: a captain spicking in the sense that Chris Bowen said,
Speaker 10: I want Matt Kean cabinet, mean, all right, there, you
Speaker 10: can have it. Okay, what single vote does this shift?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 10: How does this shift the debate on climate? Is anyone
Speaker 10: going to say, oh, I was a climate skeptic, but
Speaker 10: now Matt Kean's on board suddenly I believe? Of course not,
Speaker 10: you know, do people people who already believe in climate
Speaker 10: change and want strong action and not the government's problem.
Speaker 10: So they're just preaching to the choir with Matt Kean
Speaker 10: without bringing anyone.
Speaker 2: Of believing in climate change.
Speaker 10: I mean believing in believing in the extent of the
Speaker 10: action managed the point, the point being, instead of having
Speaker 10: someone who is, you know, someone who is extremely an
Speaker 10: openly non partisan, someone who is perhaps a bit of
Speaker 10: a surprise someone would I wouldn't have thought they were
Speaker 10: all in on it, you know, like a leading business
Speaker 10: figure or someone like that could say, right, I'm just
Speaker 10: going to run the ruler over the economics of this
Speaker 10: action and tell you why a nuclear doesn't stack up
Speaker 10: or be okay. Renewables.
Speaker 2: Well, look at this amazing story.
Speaker 3: Labor proposing a whipping two hundred and fourteen thousand dollars
Speaker 3: pay rise for the new Governor General, sound Mustin, who
Speaker 3: is a mate of Albanesi's, So this would take her
Speaker 3: salary from four hundred and ninety five thousand dollars already huge,
Speaker 3: to seven hundred and nine thousand dollars. No reason has
Speaker 3: been given for why sam Musten would need a pay
Speaker 3: rise like this to do the Governor general's job doesn't
Speaker 3: seem like an arduous job. You wear nice clothes and
Speaker 3: go to opening ceremonies and you could say, well, is
Speaker 3: their gender parity here, She's been given a two hundred
Speaker 3: grand increase for the same job that a bloke was doing.
Speaker 2: Interesting point, Liz, but ultimately.
Speaker 3: Australians will hate this during a cost of living crisis
Speaker 3: one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: And as you've already.
Speaker 9: Said, this is a figurehead more than anything else. The
Speaker 9: Governor General doesn't exactly do all that really important pressing matters.
Speaker 9: They show up to things, they cut ribbons, they press
Speaker 9: the flesh.
Speaker 2: That's pretty much the job in a nutshell.
Speaker 9: I understand that they're saying this this rise has something
Speaker 9: to do with the fact that she won't be eligible
Speaker 9: for a pension, which the role used to be et cetera.
Speaker 2: So they're now trying to compensate for that.
Speaker 9: But when you know that it's a rather short term anyway,
Speaker 9: you don't get to become gg forever.
Speaker 2: There literally is no proper I.
Speaker 9: Don't think there is a reason that they could give
Speaker 9: that the Australian public would be happening.
Speaker 10: We have been five years on almost half a million bucks,
Speaker 10: so she would have pocketed two point five mil by
Speaker 10: the end of her term. So I reckon you could
Speaker 10: probably get by on that. I mean again, it's just
Speaker 10: another terrible look. You can't defend it again. Turn it down,
Speaker 10: right labor government again, just to bring it back to
Speaker 10: what the sensible right does in the party. Have all
Speaker 10: given all MPs, all ministers wage freezes. They're not getting
Speaker 10: any wage rise at all. That's another thing that was
Speaker 10: in this budget that Matt Kein tried to distract from. Meanwhile,
Speaker 10: you've got federal politicians still trousering pay rises, and then
Speaker 10: you've got this. How do you defend that? It's like
Speaker 10: this is like again, it's like the screen of Pillar
Speaker 10: in the Simpsons. It's like a creature that wants to die.
Speaker 10: I don't know why she should do not know why
Speaker 10: labor keeps making these kinds of decisions that.
Speaker 2: She should turn it down.
Speaker 3: She probably demanded it, you know, when they offered her
Speaker 3: the job. She probably said, I'll only do it for
Speaker 3: seven hundred grand I mean, you don't just voluntarily increase
Speaker 3: someone salary.
Speaker 10: Back to I cannot imagine. I can't imagine why would
Speaker 10: say absolutely not, that is not that is demeaning to
Speaker 10: this role. If you're even asking for that.
Speaker 9: I wonder if you want to be the all Australians
Speaker 9: hate as well. You just feel like you and that's
Speaker 9: fetching more than the Prime Minister himself.
Speaker 2: You can't tell me that.
Speaker 7: The role is.
Speaker 10: More stressful or more bigger house in Camber. She's got
Speaker 10: a bigger house in Sydney. She's got two and a
Speaker 10: half million. You're asking for my I mean, I just
Speaker 10: how do you incredible? How do you go to sleep
Speaker 10: at night thinking this is an okay thing to do?
Speaker 3: This next story, a Downing report today reveals that Victoria
Speaker 3: is taking in.
Speaker 2: According to the report, too many imrants.
Speaker 3: This is noting the huge costs of trying to keep
Speaker 3: up with infrastructure, roads, public transport, schools and hospitals could
Speaker 3: see the Victorian government face yet another financial disaster.
Speaker 2: Already, debt levels are extraordinary, but.
Speaker 3: Liz the Home Affairs Minister Clara Neil has repeatedly said
Speaker 3: that she was going to scale back on migration.
Speaker 2: But it just hasn't happened.
Speaker 9: No, It's been eight months since Labor promised it and
Speaker 9: we haven't seen anything of the sort. So I'm glad
Speaker 9: someone's sounding the bell in Victoria.
Speaker 2: But the truth is the same is to go.
Speaker 9: For every single certainly Eastern State unless you're sending these
Speaker 9: in these newcomers somewhere rural where we've got I don't know,
Speaker 9: jobs that they can feel that need doing, but we
Speaker 9: already know even that isn't happening.
Speaker 2: We are allowing these masses of people in.
Speaker 9: There seems to be no comprehensive system by which we
Speaker 9: go These are the skills we need. These are the
Speaker 9: skills you've got, and we're.
Speaker 11: Sending you to we system.
Speaker 9: It's happening.
Speaker 1: Joe's catch up to.
Speaker 10: Catch up after we literally zero people in during the
Speaker 10: COVID years, and now there was a big there was
Speaker 10: a big spike to sort of play catch up with that,
Speaker 10: and that was the half million that got everyone's scared.
Speaker 10: And now it's coming and now it's coming down to
Speaker 10: two hundred and fifty thounds. So it is coming down,
Speaker 10: but it comes down year by year. It's not that
Speaker 10: someone just comes out and says right, and that's it.
Speaker 10: Someone just does a little ball, you know, draws up
Speaker 10: a little red rope at the airport, says sorry, no
Speaker 10: more people coming in.
Speaker 2: This is ten thousand a week.
Speaker 10: Joe, Yes, I know.
Speaker 8: That was.
Speaker 10: Five hundred thousand divided by fifty years.
Speaker 9: It's not coming down conto years.
Speaker 10: That's what that's Exactually, what I'm saying, understand them is now.
Speaker 11: Shortage of time.
Speaker 3: They never took to the election a big migration policy.
Speaker 3: This wasn't disclosed to Australians, and the pace both instruction
Speaker 3: hasn't kept up with it.
Speaker 10: And that's ultimately we've got a shortage of we've got
Speaker 10: a shortage of construction workers.
Speaker 9: You bring here, you've got to give them house and
Speaker 9: we already know due to we talked.
Speaker 2: About this the other week, Joe.
Speaker 9: On the list of skills, they've left out important skills.
Speaker 10: That there's also presumably because they think, well, we don't
Speaker 10: actually have a shortage in these particular fields, but in
Speaker 10: things like plumber's electricians are the other fields that you
Speaker 10: need to build houses, we don't have enough to keep
Speaker 10: up with demand. And again say to Blue in the face,
Speaker 10: the reason why developers stop building houses because they thought
Speaker 10: there's no more migrants coming, so there's not going to
Speaker 10: be a demand. So this is not a black and
Speaker 10: white issue. You ask anybody who's.
Speaker 3: Certainly not that black and white housing crisis even without
Speaker 3: the migration.
Speaker 2: Not white.
Speaker 3: It's construction with stuff, but we are out of time,
Speaker 3: Joe hud Brand Lizta, thank you both very much. Coming up,
Speaker 3: a former Deputy Commonwealth GPP will speak out about the
Speaker 3: failure of law enforcement to protect Australians from violent and
Speaker 3: aggressive pro Palestinian protesters and the government's not so new
Speaker 3: climate change star Well after the break the reason the
Speaker 3: Liberal Party doesn't want to spell him despite some pushing
Speaker 3: for it and accusing him of treachery.
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 3: Working on this next story today really upset me. Some
Speaker 3: members of the University of Sydney encampment were reportedly members
Speaker 3: of an extreme Islamist group, his Butteria, which is categorized
Speaker 3: as a terror organization in the UK. The group held
Speaker 3: a press conference on Friday night in which they chanted
Speaker 3: Ali Wakba, the phrase that has been used as a
Speaker 3: battle cry at least twenty times.
Speaker 11: Have a look at.
Speaker 3: It went on and on, and they were celebrating in
Speaker 3: that press conference. They were boasting because the University of
Speaker 3: Sydney had made a deal with that fringe group who
Speaker 3: will now be privy to the University of Sydney's defense
Speaker 3: and security related research activities online and here they were
Speaker 3: boasting all about it.
Speaker 12: The Muslim Encampment led by SUMSA is probably the largest,
Speaker 12: most active and longest lasting part of the encampment. United
Speaker 12: factions previously thought would never be united came together. We
Speaker 12: brought numbers in the front laws of the quadrangle we
Speaker 12: thought we'd never see outside of Erwig. It is the
Speaker 12: witnessing of such abhorren crimes that ignited the flame of
Speaker 12: activism within us, and it is that flame that eventually
Speaker 12: led us to negotiate with the highest executives of this university,
Speaker 12: including the University of Sydney by Chancellor and President Mark Scott.
Speaker 3: They spoke about Islamophobia in that press conference, no mention
Speaker 3: of anti sermity. They spoke, as you just heard about
Speaker 3: abhorrent atrocities, no mention of October seven attacks. And there
Speaker 3: was rightful criticism today of the University of Sydney Vice
Speaker 3: Chancellor Mark Scott doing this.
Speaker 2: Deal with groups that are linked to his book to Rear.
Speaker 3: The Strategic Analysis Australia Director Peter Jennings said this is
Speaker 3: yet another example of poor quality university leadership in Australia.
Speaker 3: The Shadow Home Affairs spokesman James Patterson said the deal
Speaker 3: was a pathetic capitulation, grossly irresponsible and raises very real
Speaker 3: questions about whether the university can be relied on to
Speaker 3: conduct sensitive national security and defense research funded by taxpayers.
Speaker 3: Ray Hadley on two GB also criticized it strongly on
Speaker 3: air today.
Speaker 8: The most One Students Dociation earlier on Friday said that
Speaker 8: defiance of the university orders to vacate had worked in
Speaker 8: their favor across many fronts, mostarticularly being the catalyst for
Speaker 8: negotiations with the YUNI and the University of Sydney have
Speaker 8: hideously capitulated and done a deal with a group dominated
Speaker 8: by his butt Teria, an organization prescribed as a terrorist
Speaker 8: organization in match of the world, including the UK, as
Speaker 8: I said, in an earlier lifetime, Mark Scott would have
Speaker 8: been front and center with a headdress on, screaming and
Speaker 8: yelling and waving placards.
Speaker 3: And as your recall, Mark Scott in his previous role
Speaker 3: was the head of the ABC.
Speaker 2: Now that group itself.
Speaker 3: The Muslim Students Association responded to claims on social media
Speaker 3: that it was linked to his book to Reer, but
Speaker 3: in its response it didn't actually deny that some of
Speaker 3: their members were linked to his book.
Speaker 2: Terrier have a look and.
Speaker 12: De were relentless attack and flag from dementary media that
Speaker 12: were often clutching its draws to dear legitimize any true
Speaker 12: efforts for Palestinian resistance. They tried to associate his with
Speaker 12: the head as a scapegoat to push a pro Zionis agenda,
Speaker 12: with sixty minutes directly saying that Chief Ibrahim de Bourn
Speaker 12: is a hate preacher for calling for the end of Zionism,
Speaker 12: and there.
Speaker 2: Were other similar posts.
Speaker 3: Now the University of Sydney needs to come out publicly
Speaker 3: and clearly explain if it has done a deal with
Speaker 3: an extremist group and what checks, if any, it took
Speaker 3: to make sure this wasn't the case. Or doesn't Mark
Speaker 3: Scott care if he's capitulated to a group where some
Speaker 3: of its members are part of his book career classified
Speaker 3: as a terrorist organization in other parts of the world. Well,
Speaker 3: it seems the university is more concerned with appeasing extremist
Speaker 3: fringe groups, some of whose members have on social media
Speaker 3: deny that October seven atrocities took place at all, and
Speaker 3: meanwhile anti Semitism surges. The university is an unsafe place
Speaker 3: for young Jewish students and the university leadership just turns
Speaker 3: the other way, doesn't care, doesn't return the phone calls.
Speaker 2: Of Jewish leaders.
Speaker 3: It's this inaction that is making life so unsafe for Australians, including.
Speaker 2: Jews who just want to get an education.
Speaker 3: Now, one person who has written a powerful piece against
Speaker 3: the lack of leadership we're seeing across the board is
Speaker 3: the former Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions for the Commonwealth
Speaker 3: and he was also a member of the National Crime Authority,
Speaker 3: Mark Legrant, and he joins me live now. Mark, thank
Speaker 3: you very much for your time. Now, you've written an
Speaker 3: incredible piece in The Australian. You have shown leadership on this.
Speaker 3: You said while this jew hatred is accelerating and hurtling
Speaker 3: towards a disaster, there is scarant leadership to combat it.
Speaker 3: And you've said that to avoid a future tragedy, Albanezi
Speaker 3: must act with commitment, vigor and courage. What do you
Speaker 3: think the response ability is here for the Prime Minister?
Speaker 7: Well, thank you, Shari. The Prime Minister's responsibility is clear
Speaker 7: under the Australian Constitution. He leads the government and as
Speaker 7: Prime Minister he's required to deliver peace order and good government.
Speaker 7: This part of good government is upholding the rule of law.
Speaker 7: The rule of law requires that all our people be
Speaker 7: treated equally, and it's clear that he's failing in that duty. Yes,
Speaker 7: since the horrific events of the seventh of October last year,
Speaker 7: nine months of Alps in which there's been accelerating abuse
Speaker 7: of the Jewish citizens of our country, They've suffered horrific abuse,
Speaker 7: They've suffered violence, they've suffered vandalism to their businesses, they
Speaker 7: have suffered being having their children excluded from university campuses,
Speaker 7: and effectively nothing has been done. The government, to beyond
Speaker 7: a few platitudes, has done nothing. The police, state and
Speaker 7: federal I'm not aware of any substantial charges that have been
Speaker 7: laid in that time. And as a result, there's no deterrence.
Speaker 7: The activity is green lighted and it continues and accelerates
Speaker 7: and becomes more serious. Unless something happens soon, some real
Speaker 7: tragedy is going to occur. And I'm not just speculating
Speaker 7: because Australia has faced situations like this in the past,
Speaker 7: and for instance with the issue between the criots and
Speaker 7: the Serbs in the sixties seventies, but then leadership was
Speaker 7: given from the Whitlam government and Attorney General Murphy who
Speaker 7: said you do not bring your ancient hatreds to this
Speaker 7: country and set about a strong and effective program of
Speaker 7: law enforcement to stamp it out. It took some time,
Speaker 7: but eventually that occurred.
Speaker 2: Very powerful response there. You're worried that a tragedy might happen.
Speaker 3: You say, we're seeing platitudes instead of any substantial policy action.
Speaker 2: Why do you think, I mean.
Speaker 3: You've been involved, Marc Legrand, in Royal commissions, in senior
Speaker 3: investigative task forces.
Speaker 2: Why do you.
Speaker 3: Think we haven't seen law enforcement use the laws that
Speaker 3: are available to them to actually stop the violence that's
Speaker 3: being unleashed on our streets.
Speaker 7: It staggers me. I've worked with law enforcement in various
Speaker 7: capacities for four decades and some of the finest people
Speaker 7: I've met in some of the most dedicated, have been
Speaker 7: law enforcement officers, and I just can't understand how for
Speaker 7: the last nine months, effectively not a finger has been
Speaker 7: lifted to pursue the people who are perpetrating these actions
Speaker 7: against our Jewish Australians. The horrific hate preachiness coming out
Speaker 7: of West Western Sydney. It's clearly contrary to law. But
Speaker 7: nothing happens. Now. I've worked sufficiently closely with police, from
Speaker 7: police commissioners down to officers in the field to know
Speaker 7: that that is not their determination. They're not going to
Speaker 7: wholesalely decide not to enforce the criminal law. They're getting
Speaker 7: a message from up the line, from government, through the
Speaker 7: police minister, through the premiere, or through whoever is the
Speaker 7: senior public servant, carrying the message that they're not to
Speaker 7: action these laws. The police are not going to make
Speaker 7: that determination themselves. The police, left to their own devices,
Speaker 7: would enforce the law. But it's clear to me that
Speaker 7: they'll deny it. They'll deny it vehemently, and you won't
Speaker 7: find any record of it. It'll be verbally delivered. But
Speaker 7: I can assure you that's what's happening. And you ask why, well,
Speaker 7: I can speculate, as you can speculate. But I've heard
Speaker 7: people speculate that that's because of the Muslim vote in
Speaker 7: certain electorates. I hope when not become so venal that
Speaker 7: that's the case. I've heard that. You know, it's the
Speaker 7: whole mantra of the Neo Marxists of oppress and oppressor
Speaker 7: flying for our universities. I don't know. I do know
Speaker 7: that there is a dark anti Semitic side of the
Speaker 7: union movement, and that was clear from the AC two
Speaker 7: US statement on the twenty second of April. That was
Speaker 7: really quite scandalous in the way it were slanted against
Speaker 7: what happened on the seventh of October last year and
Speaker 7: what happened since. But I can only speculate as you
Speaker 7: can only speculate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but still a part stage one were you
Speaker 3: that you believe law enforcement would like to take action
Speaker 3: and there's been a message given to them not to
Speaker 3: take action. Marc Leground, Just before you go, I want
Speaker 3: to ask you about you know what I spoke about
Speaker 3: in the introduction to your interview, the anti semitism on
Speaker 3: university campuses, how it's allowed to go unchecked, the capitulation
Speaker 3: to extremist groups. I mean, Mark, we have seen Iran
Speaker 3: and Hamas back in these university protesters globally. I mean,
Speaker 3: what do you think of the inaction from university leadership
Speaker 3: that we're seeing on this matter.
Speaker 7: What I saw come out of Sydney University today is insane.
Speaker 7: Now I withdraw that is sinister, and it's treacherous. I mean,
Speaker 7: let's see what power you've given to people influenced by Pittsburgh,
Speaker 7: Teria declared terrorist organizations in other countries. And as you say,
Speaker 7: the support that these protests are getting from Hamas and
Speaker 7: the greatest state sponsor of terrorism, Irun, and the agreement
Speaker 7: is that there will be disclosing details of defense and
Speaker 7: security related research and investments. One has to wonder what's
Speaker 7: happened to our country.
Speaker 3: This is just insane, it is indeed, Marc Legrand, thank
Speaker 3: you for speaking out.
Speaker 2: Thank you for caring about this issue.
Speaker 3: That is one of the best interviews, one of the
Speaker 3: strongest interventions in this public debate that I've seen from
Speaker 3: such a credible and highly regarded figure. Thank you very
Speaker 3: much for coming on this program tonight in this first interview.
Speaker 2: Really appreciated and I hope you will.
Speaker 3: Continue speaking out and that your colleagues will do the same.
Speaker 7: I hope so too. Thanks sir, Sherry, Thank you.
Speaker 3: Now let's look at nuclear now. But it wasn't he impressive?
Speaker 3: That was incredible? Really really was now? A new resolve
Speaker 3: political monitor Pole found that forty one percent of voters
Speaker 3: back nuclear as an energy source. Thirty seven percent reject it,
Speaker 3: but then there was around thirty percent of people who
Speaker 3: said they didn't have a strong view and would consider
Speaker 3: the idea. It's those thirty percent that Dutton is trying
Speaker 3: to target with his message.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the Daily.
Speaker 3: Telegraph reports exclusive polling that indicates six in ten Australian
Speaker 3: support nuclear energy. Joining me now to discuss this is
Speaker 3: The Australian's.
Speaker 2: Environment editor Graham. Lloyd Graham, Good to see you.
Speaker 3: Look, do you think there is support or potentially that
Speaker 3: the support is trending in the right direction for Peter
Speaker 3: Dutton when it comes to nuclear energy. I mean it
Speaker 3: has already increased from when he started discussing this about
Speaker 3: eight months ago.
Speaker 1: That drug good evening, Charri.
Speaker 4: Certainly, the poles have been fairly consistent around the world
Speaker 4: that people are far more likely to consider nuclear power
Speaker 4: and if you like, this reflects that people have sort
Speaker 4: of got over the seventies attitude towards it, which was
Speaker 4: really bound up in nuclear armament and other things, and
Speaker 4: they're far more likely to give it a look. Sixty
Speaker 4: percent is a fairly respectable starting point for Peter Dutton.
Speaker 4: It's the margin that was there in the referendum, and
Speaker 4: it really represents a sort of main view if you like.
Speaker 4: The challenge, of course is going to be maintaining that
Speaker 4: level of support or building on it as the campaign
Speaker 4: gets bogged down. But I think one of the key
Speaker 4: lessons from it is that it shows how misguided Labour's
Speaker 4: initial response with cartoons of three eyed fish and that
Speaker 4: sort of thing really was. People are taking a much
Speaker 4: more grown up view of the debate than that. I
Speaker 4: think they see how important it is to get energy
Speaker 4: right and they're prepared to consider something that is being
Speaker 4: used in other places. So it will be fascinating how
Speaker 4: those polls develop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 3: I think people are tuning into the debate and saying,
Speaker 3: all right, let's have a look at this. If this
Speaker 3: is what Dartan's proposing, it would be a major change
Speaker 3: for Australia. So what are the objections to it? And
Speaker 3: as far as I can see, Labor hasn't articulated any
Speaker 3: credible objections. They're saying it will be too expensive. But
Speaker 3: then the opposition today said to label, well how much
Speaker 3: will your renewable energy policy cost? And there were no
Speaker 3: answers there either. And Graham, you know, what do you
Speaker 3: think about this debate that it comes down to overcost,
Speaker 3: and also Albanize's use of Matt Kean to try win
Speaker 3: over the public.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot happening there, isn't there.
Speaker 4: It's really come down to a fight over the cost
Speaker 4: of doing things, which really is a bit of a
Speaker 4: fake argument, because the argument that you want to have
Speaker 4: is what's going to work, what's going to work best,
Speaker 4: and what's going to deliver at the best price. Both
Speaker 4: sides now seem quite confused about what their proposals will
Speaker 4: actually cost taxpayers. There's no clear line from the government
Speaker 4: on what it's going to be. In fact, there's no
Speaker 4: clear explanation on how it's going to work. For many reasons.
Speaker 4: The opposition isn't able to cost its nuclear program, but
Speaker 4: in a way, the nuclear cost is going to come
Speaker 4: down to how much it saves on spending on other things.
Speaker 4: So this is a big forensic debate that has to
Speaker 4: be had, and the polls are showing people are up
Speaker 4: to listening to it. We're seeing, I think, with the
Speaker 4: appointment of ma Kean today, a bit of political opportunism
Speaker 4: on the part of the government. I think they thought
Speaker 4: they could get a sort of change the story of
Speaker 4: the day with this and sort of try and blindside
Speaker 4: the opposition. But nobody would be surprised that ma Kean
Speaker 4: has these views. I think he's been compromised on day
Speaker 4: one by standing up and mouthing effectively the government's talking points.
Speaker 1: All right, and the challenge is that.
Speaker 2: Graeme Lloyd the challenges.
Speaker 1: It doesn't turn it to a no, thank you.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your time. Apologies for cutting
Speaker 3: you off there. I was just trying to wrap up
Speaker 3: the conversation where out of time after the break Labor
Speaker 3: and Pete Daniel Molina would join me. His office was
Speaker 3: trashed twice by vandals. Plus I'm going to ask my
Speaker 3: political panel about the story breaking tonight.
Speaker 2: On Peter Dutton's son. Stay tuned, welcome back Well.
Speaker 3: The Herald Sun has obtained an image of Peter Dutton's
Speaker 3: son holding a bag containing what appears to be a
Speaker 3: small amount of white powder. The Herald Sun and other
Speaker 3: newscop papers are reporting that an image of the eighteen
Speaker 3: year old was posted to social media with the caption
Speaker 3: birthday treat. However, there's no suggestion the white substance is drugs.
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's office issued a one sentence statement saying this
Speaker 3: is a private matter for the Dutton family. Joining me
Speaker 3: now Tonight's political panel Labor politician Daniel Malino and Liberal
Speaker 3: Senator Holly Hughes.
Speaker 2: Holly, what's your response to tonight's report?
Speaker 13: Look, I think it's journalism at it's grubbiest. The one
Speaker 13: thing about politicians is our families should be off limits.
Speaker 13: I've got teenage children. I would never want them to
Speaker 13: go through something like this. It's just grubby, And I
Speaker 13: think Pet is right, it's a matter for the family.
Speaker 13: It obviously looks like a joke photo, it doesn't look
Speaker 13: like something serious. And you know, I just think targeting
Speaker 13: people's kids where the politicians, where we sign up for this,
Speaker 13: our family are conscripts to it, and I just really
Speaker 13: think it's quite grubby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Daniel, what do you think I mean?
Speaker 3: As Holly says, traditionally, family are off limits when it
Speaker 3: comes to political attacks.
Speaker 2: Is Labor going to pursue Dutton over this?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 6: Actually, I was just going to say, Wholly just stole
Speaker 6: one of my lines, which is the volunteer conscript concept.
Speaker 6: But I think that's exactly right. Look, I think Australia's
Speaker 6: had a worthwhile and a broadly complied with line dividing
Speaker 6: line where we don't comment on family matters. And I think,
Speaker 6: particularly in this day and age where we've got the
Speaker 6: rise of social media and all sorts of exposure of
Speaker 6: people at the edges of politics, I think it's really
Speaker 6: important that we don't cross that. Look my arguments with
Speaker 6: Peter Dutton's policies, and I won't go beyond that and
Speaker 6: comment on anything else.
Speaker 3: Look, we don't know if it's real or not, or
Speaker 3: any circumstances, but you know, if it is, what it seems,
Speaker 3: and it's just every parent's worst nightmare. Now let's return
Speaker 3: to the political fight today over nuclear and the cheapest
Speaker 3: form of energy. Both parties are attacking the other over
Speaker 3: what their costs would be. Albinizi has also remained silent
Speaker 3: on what his twenty thirty five emissions reduction target would be,
Speaker 3: while at the same time attacking the coalition for not
Speaker 3: revealing what their twenty thirty target would be. Holly, how
Speaker 3: do you think this debate is playing out.
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 13: Not well for the Albanese government because the costings of
Speaker 13: one point five trivion actually come from the University of
Speaker 13: Queensland and another a number of overseas universities that conducted
Speaker 13: a study into the full cost of what renewables were
Speaker 13: going to be, but also included the transmission lines. And
Speaker 13: this has been something that's been missing when the Albanese
Speaker 13: government talks about renewable energy and their cost because in
Speaker 13: their bible, that is the gen Costs Review, they factor
Speaker 13: in no costs of building transmission lines. They took nothing
Speaker 13: about distribution because in their mind they had it as
Speaker 13: a sunk cost that they had already been built and
Speaker 13: already been paid for, which we all know is not
Speaker 13: the So when they're bleeding about eight billion for a
Speaker 13: nuclear power plant versus one point five trillion for renewals
Speaker 13: that require a new grid, something nuclear does not, and
Speaker 13: we're talking about brownfield sites, well let's.
Speaker 2: Get Daniel's response to that.
Speaker 3: I mean, is this hypocritical If Labour's renewable policy is
Speaker 3: going to cost one point.
Speaker 6: Three trillion, well, I think there's going to be a
Speaker 6: lot of politicians throwing a lot of numbers around over
Speaker 6: the coming few weeks and months. I think people out
Speaker 6: in the community are going to look at the most
Speaker 6: reputable sources ultimately as they make up their mind and
Speaker 6: I think to date the CSIRO AMO gen cost report
Speaker 6: is the gold standard, and there'll be other pieces of
Speaker 6: analysis that get thrown out there. And look, it clearly
Speaker 6: shows that the cost of generation from both large and
Speaker 6: small modul at nuclear reaction is higher. But for me,
Speaker 6: there's additional issues here. One is Peter Dutton, coming from
Speaker 6: the party that used to be about states rights, is
Speaker 6: saying that he's just going to override all these states bans.
Speaker 6: I mean, we could have a whole bunch of state
Speaker 6: elections fought on this issue and states reassert bands, which
Speaker 6: Peter Dutton will just write roughshot over. So much for consultation,
Speaker 6: plus all the delays and uncertainty around constitutional issues.
Speaker 1: But I just think it's the delay.
Speaker 6: Ultimately with this issue, we're not going to be seeing
Speaker 6: these nuclear power plants till the twenty thirties or twenty
Speaker 6: forties when we need to have largely fixed this issue.
Speaker 13: Well, yeaw, talking about twenty thirty five of the transmission
Speaker 13: capabilities are already there. We don't need to build twenty
Speaker 13: eight thousand kilometers of new transmission lines, which is what
Speaker 13: Chris Bowen's ideological run towards renewables would mean. And again
Speaker 13: all respect, Daniel, but no comment on what the cost
Speaker 13: of actually transmitting and distributing the renewable energy is. And
Speaker 13: generation is only fifty percent of your bill. Distribution is
Speaker 13: the other fifty percent of the bill, and yet this
Speaker 13: government refuses to acknowledge that part of the cost.
Speaker 3: All right, this is going to be a very big
Speaker 3: story in the months leading up to the federal election, Daniel.
Speaker 3: I just want to turn to your office in Victoria.
Speaker 3: It was trashed, you had to move out of it,
Speaker 3: and then just as you were about to move back
Speaker 3: in after two weeks, it was vandalized again by pro
Speaker 3: Palestinian protesters. We saw what happened to Josh Burns last week.
Speaker 3: Other MPs have also fallen victim to this, Daniel. How
Speaker 3: intimidating is it to have your office voundalized like this?
Speaker 2: How frightened are your staff?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 6: I think it's a very concerning development in relation to
Speaker 6: the way in which debate around this issue is being conducted.
Speaker 6: As you say, it's criminal vandalism and it's very intimidating,
Speaker 6: and I mean the immediate effect of this is that
Speaker 6: a number of electorate officers are being shut down and
Speaker 6: vulnerable people in the community who want to come into
Speaker 6: our offices and talk about NDIS and Centerlink matters can't
Speaker 6: get into their local electorate office. A lot of these
Speaker 6: people need to have those discussions face to face. I
Speaker 6: think the other issue is that it's a way of
Speaker 6: prosecuting a discussion, which is for me completely anathema to
Speaker 6: our democracy. Like every time somebody holds a you strongly,
Speaker 6: does that mean now that these people think they should
Speaker 6: be able to smash up the buildings or the offices
Speaker 6: of those who disagree with them. And the final very
Speaker 6: quick observation I'd make is that another dimension of this
Speaker 6: is I think the Greens Party as a major party,
Speaker 6: as a party that could potentially hold a balance of power,
Speaker 6: too many candidates and members of the Greens Party at
Speaker 6: state and federal level at times not only not condemning this,
Speaker 6: but actually egging it on. And for me, that's another
Speaker 6: dimension of this which is very concerning.
Speaker 3: Well, Daniel, really sorry that happened to you. We were
Speaker 3: watching the vision there, extremely violent. Daniel Molino, Holly Hughes,
Speaker 3: thank you very much. Thank you for joining me this evening,
Speaker 3: and after the break we'll have a look at the
Speaker 3: upcoming presidential debate with Trump and Joe Biden at Stay Tuned,
Speaker 3: Welcome back. Well, let's bring in Sky News contributor Kosher
Speaker 3: Garda Now Kosher, thanks for your time. Look, we're seeing
Speaker 3: the presidential candidates taking vastly different approaches to the upcoming
Speaker 3: presidential debate.
Speaker 14: Yes, Reportedly, this week President Biden has been hunkered down
Speaker 14: in Camp David really practicing and prepping, and his personal
Speaker 14: lawyer is serving as the stand in for Trump on
Speaker 14: to impersonate sort of what debate style Trump would bring
Speaker 14: to the table. Meanwhile, you see Trump has been crisscrossing
Speaker 14: the country, holding multiple rallies throughout the week, which is
Speaker 14: where he thrives. And you know that I think suggests
Speaker 14: a little bit about these two men. We know a
Speaker 14: lot about them, but one Trump being more instinctive and
Speaker 14: he doesn't feel the need to necessarily prep. He's got
Speaker 14: his issue set and he's got his style and he's
Speaker 14: going to run with it. Versus Biden, on the other hand,
Speaker 14: is really treating this as almost like a midterm exam,
Speaker 14: and he's looking to really make sure he's prepared.
Speaker 3: I mean, we've seen you over recent years, but it
Speaker 3: has seemed to be escalating in recent months that Joe
Speaker 3: Biden does struggle with coherent sentences or continuing even his
Speaker 3: train of thought at times. Do you think this is
Speaker 3: something that is concerning the Democrats at the moment ahead
Speaker 3: of the presidential debate.
Speaker 14: I think so, And we just see every day there's
Speaker 14: a new situation like that. Then you do see these
Speaker 14: glimpses like the State of a Union addressit he gave
Speaker 14: earlier in the year, where he was quite lucid and coherent,
Speaker 14: and you know, who knows what was underpinning that. So
Speaker 14: I think that's definitely in play. The whole world is
Speaker 14: going to tune into this debate, not so much to
Speaker 14: really hear what these two men have to say, because
Speaker 14: there are known entities by this point, but I think
Speaker 14: to see that whether he can hold his own Biden
Speaker 14: and also a lot of people are speculating that is
Speaker 14: this a setup or lead up to this thing that's
Speaker 14: been swirling for a while now, if the Democrats are
Speaker 14: going to try and switch him out with somebody else
Speaker 14: at the upcoming convention in August. Maybe this is part
Speaker 14: of that process on that critical path, but we really
Speaker 14: don't know for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does seem like the presidential debate and live
Speaker 3: will be much higher risk for Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: Then it will be Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: And the question anyway is whether it's going to change
Speaker 3: anyone's vote, and that's probably unlikely. Koshia Data, thank you
Speaker 3: very much for your time this evening, Thanks for watching.
Speaker 3: I'll see you tomorrow at eight.
Speaker 2: And here's Paul Murray