Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry Good Evening.
Speaker 2: We start tonight with breaking news. Opposition leader Peter Dutton
Speaker 2: has just landed in Israel for a three day trip.
Speaker 2: As we go to air, Dutton is currently meeting with
Speaker 2: Israeli Foreign Minister Israel Katz. He will then later today
Speaker 2: local time meet with Israeli President Isaac Hertzog. This is
Speaker 2: a strong show of support from the Coalition towards our
Speaker 2: closest ally in the Middle East. It comes as senior
Speaker 2: figures in the Israeli government are growing increasingly frustrated with
Speaker 2: the Albanezy governments at public criticisms and hostilities. I could
Speaker 2: also reveal the opposition leader will then meet with hostage
Speaker 2: families and former hostages who have now been rescued by Israel.
Speaker 2: These will be deeply emotional meetings for Peter Dutton. You
Speaker 2: hardly ever hear our current government speak about the hostages.
Speaker 2: Yet there are still one hundred and twenty Israelis, including
Speaker 2: baby Kafir Bibas, held captive by terrorists in Gaza. Dutton
Speaker 2: will also over the coming days travel to the south
Speaker 2: to the kibbutzs where Hamas slaughtered entire families and he'll
Speaker 2: go to the site of the Nova Music festival where
Speaker 2: oney two hundred young Israelis were gunned down in cold blood.
Speaker 2: Dutton is unlikely to meet with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu,
Speaker 2: who broke his trip to the US to deal with
Speaker 2: the escalating situation in the north of Israel.
Speaker 1: There are concerns war is imminent after.
Speaker 2: The tragic and atrocious attack by Hesbela on children over
Speaker 2: the weekend. Now, Peter Dutton is the most senior Australian
Speaker 2: politician to visit since October seventh, with Anthony Albernizi refusing
Speaker 2: to go. Alberanizi is one of the only Western leaders
Speaker 2: who chose not to visit Israel to show his support
Speaker 2: over the past nine months, and when Pennywang eventually visited
Speaker 2: the region, she didn't bother to go to the sites
Speaker 2: of the October seven massacres. This trip is highly significant.
Speaker 2: It reinforces Dutton's commitment to Israel, Australia's ally and to
Speaker 2: the Jewish community. It's a volatile situation at the moment
Speaker 2: on the ground. Already flights are being canceled to Lebanon
Speaker 2: amid the tensions with Hesblah, and we'll Cross Live to
Speaker 2: Israeli politician Sharon Haskell.
Speaker 1: Later this hour to speak about how she.
Speaker 2: Expects this situation is going to unfold in the North.
Speaker 2: But Dutton's decision to make a solidarity trip to Israel
Speaker 2: is a sign of how different foreign relations would be
Speaker 2: under a Dutton prime ministership, and it highlights the leadership
Speaker 2: we've been solely missing from the Albanese government. Now let's
Speaker 2: turn to Albanesi's cabinet reshuffle. There's a cost of living crisis,
Speaker 2: a housing crisis, and spiraling power bills and on our streets,
Speaker 2: lawlessness goes unchecked and an unprecedented breakdown in social cohesion.
Speaker 2: This is an economic and social crisis. Yet you have
Speaker 2: to ask is the Prime Minister even serious about fixing
Speaker 2: these problems, about making life easier for working families who
Speaker 2: are struggling. Because he's put Clara O'Neill in the critical
Speaker 2: portfolio of housing and Tony Burke in charge of our
Speaker 2: national security. Clara O'Neil comprehensively failed as Home Affairs Minister,
Speaker 2: a point that was obvious even.
Speaker 1: To the PM.
Speaker 2: It's why he moved her out of that role. Under
Speaker 2: her watch, Australians were bashed, assaulted, and a convicted pedophile
Speaker 2: allegedly contacted children after they were released from immigration detention.
Speaker 2: Clara O'Neil and her sidekick Andrew Giles failed to protect
Speaker 2: the community time and time again. Barely a week went
Speaker 2: by without the opposition calling for her scalp.
Speaker 3: The best thing would be for Minister Giles and Minister
Speaker 3: O'Neil to resign, resign today and if that doesn't happen,
Speaker 3: for the Prime Minister to show some strength.
Speaker 4: Clara O'Neill is like this, just this rolling train wreck.
Speaker 4: She's a complete debarkle, just a walking disaster for the government.
Speaker 5: This is an incompetent, hopeless, hapless Home Affairs minister.
Speaker 4: Prime Minister should sack Andrew Giles and sack Claara O'Neill.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't just the Coalition launching a political attack.
Speaker 2: O'Neil faced tough questions in the media.
Speaker 6: Too banged legal challenges to come out of this legislation.
Speaker 7: I'm so sorry, I've got to go to a metage.
Speaker 8: Missus questions are there, what's your response.
Speaker 1: Well, we want to know what they did.
Speaker 5: One raped a fourteen year old stepdaughter while his wife
Speaker 5: gave birth one rate the sister of the mother of
Speaker 5: his infant child, one raped a disabled fourteen year old
Speaker 5: and a sixteen year old.
Speaker 1: Do you think that washes.
Speaker 9: Look natt, I completely understand the concern that you have
Speaker 9: about these and the crimes that you've listed there are
Speaker 9: absolutely horrendous and no member of Parliament and no member
Speaker 9: of the government is going to disagree with that.
Speaker 2: Well, the situation is now so bad that we learned
Speaker 2: on the weekend thanks to journalist at Rhiann and Down,
Speaker 2: the five hundred and twenty dangerous non citizens were released
Speaker 2: from immigration to tension by the Albanezy government in its
Speaker 2: first year in power five hundred and twenty oh and
Speaker 2: recall that O'Neill called the future president of the United
Speaker 2: States son a big baby in social media comments. She
Speaker 2: should have been apologizing, in fact, because her own agency
Speaker 2: had been slow to grant him a visa. Those comments
Speaker 2: were juvenile and unbecoming of a senior government minister. As
Speaker 2: her shadow Home Affairs James Patterson pointed out at the time, his.
Speaker 10: Purpose is not to exclude people on a political basis
Speaker 10: or an ideological basis. People have diverse range of political
Speaker 10: views are perfectly entitled to come to Australia as long
Speaker 10: as they intend to propagate them in a peaceful way.
Speaker 10: And I have not seen any evidence to the contrary
Speaker 10: about mister Trump Junior's planned visit to Australia.
Speaker 2: And yet Albanizi has now moved Clara O'Neil into the
Speaker 2: equally important role of Housing Minister, a portfolio that would
Speaker 2: need enormous heavy lifting because the Albanzy government has not
Speaker 2: built a single completed home under its ten billion dollar
Speaker 2: Affordable Housing Fund, despite pledging to build forty thousand homes
Speaker 2: within five years.
Speaker 1: Well just let that sink in.
Speaker 2: Not a single home built yet, that's according to Simon
Speaker 2: Benson's report. Yet it's spent twenty four million dollars on
Speaker 2: consultants and six million on executive salaries, a poor record
Speaker 2: to say the least. This is despite the fact that
Speaker 2: rising rents are one of the key contributors to our
Speaker 2: inflation crisis.
Speaker 11: A lot of the remaining inflation that sitting in the
Speaker 11: Australian economy is driven by supply challenges things like housing.
Speaker 11: A rate rise will only make the housing crisis worse.
Speaker 11: It will only contribute to even higher rents.
Speaker 2: So this means the housing crisis is a big reason
Speaker 2: inflation remains high, why the cost of living continues to rise,
Speaker 2: and why the RBA has to keep pushing up rates.
Speaker 2: Does the Prime Minister really have confidence in Clara O'Neil
Speaker 2: to fix this? Give her record over the past two years.
Speaker 2: And then there's Tony Burke, the senior government minister who
Speaker 2: was slow to properly call out hate preachers and he's
Speaker 2: now in charge of Social Cohesion in the critical role
Speaker 2: of Home Affairs. Or it was in Tony Burke's own
Speaker 2: electorate that this hate preacher you're about to see uttered
Speaker 2: these deeply offensive remarks just twenty four hours after October seven.
Speaker 7: Smiling and unhappy. I'm it's a day of courage.
Speaker 2: On October the tenth, The Australian newspaper reported that Tony
Speaker 2: Burke and Chris Bowen were under pressure for failing to
Speaker 2: properly condemn local anti Israel preachers and activists who led
Speaker 2: rally celebrating her mass's at times. They wrote, Leader of
Speaker 2: the House mister Burke failed to directly condemn a preacher
Speaker 2: in his electorate who said he was elated at the
Speaker 2: murder of Israelis. The head of the nation's peak Jewish
Speaker 2: body Alex Rivchin called on the Workplace Relations Minister to
Speaker 2: repudiate this incitement in the harshest and clearest.
Speaker 1: Terms, he said.
Speaker 2: The criticism came after a rally took place in Lakember
Speaker 2: in mister Burke's Southwest Sydney electorate, during which speakers described
Speaker 2: attacks on Israel as you just heard, as an act
Speaker 2: of courage and resistance. Well, Tony Burke himself is pro
Speaker 2: Palestinian and anti Israel, and remember he didn't disavow the
Speaker 2: abc of the notion that Israel was committing genocide.
Speaker 11: I've heard people describe it as a genocide?
Speaker 12: Do you see it that way?
Speaker 13: I prefer to provide the facts as I just did,
Speaker 13: and I think your listeners will will find their own
Speaker 13: words to be able to describe it. I think when
Speaker 13: we go straight to do we use this word, do
Speaker 13: we use that word, we end up in an argument
Speaker 13: about linguistics. What I want to talk about is what's
Speaker 13: happening to individuals.
Speaker 2: But worse than this, what comments that Tony Burke made
Speaker 2: at the Woodford Folk Festival where he tried to explain
Speaker 2: away a context for the Hamas attacks on October seven.
Speaker 1: He said, as you're here.
Speaker 2: The history of the region didn't begin on the seventh
Speaker 2: of October.
Speaker 14: Before the seventh of Octobers. I think it's worth remembering
Speaker 14: because sometimes this is forgotten a canal, the word has
Speaker 14: been genocide us here.
Speaker 11: What is your response to those concerns?
Speaker 14: Do you share those concerns?
Speaker 13: The Israeli defeats minister said there will be no food,
Speaker 13: no water, no fuel.
Speaker 15: This is a complete siege and then.
Speaker 13: Described to the community in Gaza as human animals.
Speaker 15: The discussion that I believe that I believe makes a
Speaker 15: difference is in people hearing the facts of what is
Speaker 15: happening on the ground and they will very quickly choose
Speaker 15: words to describe it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: ASIO Boss Mike Burgess has warned that Islamic extremism Islamic
Speaker 2: extremism is the top domestic terror threat in our country.
Speaker 2: But how can Tony Burke be the Minister for Home
Speaker 2: Affairs when instead of a clear eyed focus on Islamic
Speaker 2: extremism as one of the top threats to Australia he
Speaker 2: chooses to more often than not simply attack Israel instead
Speaker 2: will Labor figure Cameron Milner, who is Bill Shotten's former
Speaker 2: chief of Staff. He's going to be on my show
Speaker 2: tonight and his view is that Tony Burke will be
Speaker 2: compromised as Minister for Home Affairs and Immigration because his
Speaker 2: seat of Watson is the center of Islamic extremism in Australia.
Speaker 2: And Cameron Milner says that Burke will be under local
Speaker 2: pressure from his constituents to take in more Palestinian refugees
Speaker 2: or Cameron told me today how could we expect him
Speaker 2: to take to cabinet a move to list his book
Speaker 2: to Rear, for instance, given its members are already campaigning
Speaker 2: against him in his own local seat. There's no question
Speaker 2: that under Tony Burke we will see a strengthening of
Speaker 2: the anti Israel position in the Albanese government because he's
Speaker 2: never been a friend of Israel. Burke's own history in
Speaker 2: the Immigration portfolio is also worrying. He presided over Operation
Speaker 2: Open Borders for the last three and a half months
Speaker 2: of the Rudd government back in twenty thirteen. Well two
Speaker 2: years after this, in twenty fifteen, Tony Burke spoke to
Speaker 2: Labor Faithful about how he proudly abolished temporary protection visas
Speaker 2: and he admitted the number of lives the people who
Speaker 2: had died under his watch.
Speaker 1: Have a look.
Speaker 13: I was the shadow Minister for Immigration before the two
Speaker 13: thousand and seven election. I took to the election and
Speaker 13: to this conference a platform that the entire conference cheered.
Speaker 13: I changed our platform so that we stood for the
Speaker 13: abolition of temporary projection visas. I was there for fewer
Speaker 13: than four months, and there are thirty three lives that
Speaker 13: were lost on my watch.
Speaker 2: Well during the time that he was Immigration minister, Tony
Speaker 2: Abbott launched a scathing attack on Tony Burke.
Speaker 16: We've had more than fifty thousand illegal arrivals, more than
Speaker 16: eight hundred votes, eleven billion dollars in budget bloouts, and tragically,
Speaker 16: more than a thousand deaths. Sy it's important to get
Speaker 16: the facts straight here.
Speaker 2: Well, given all of this, it is utterly extraordinary that
Speaker 2: Tony Burke is now trying to position himself as a
Speaker 2: future Labor leader, as a future prime minister.
Speaker 1: It's fascical.
Speaker 2: If that Albanezy government was doing poorly before on immigration, detention,
Speaker 2: on refugees, on social cohesion and more, it can only
Speaker 2: get worse with his new team. I mean, you'd laugh
Speaker 2: if it wasn't so concerning. For our safety and national security.
Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in tonight's panel, Sky News host
Speaker 2: Steve Price and contributor Joe Hildebrand. Welcome to you both.
Speaker 2: Great to see you. Well, let's start with tonight's breaking news.
Speaker 17: Joe.
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton is right now in Israel.
Speaker 2: He's going to be meeting, as I just revealed, with
Speaker 2: the Israeli President, Isaac Hertzog, with Israeli Foreign Minister, senior
Speaker 2: members of the government. Joe, this stands in obvious contrast
Speaker 2: to our Prime minister, who has refused to pay a
Speaker 2: solidarity visit to Israel since October seven.
Speaker 18: Yeah, look, I'm not I initially said that Anthony Alberanezi
Speaker 18: needed to wait for an invitation to visit Israel from
Speaker 18: the Prime Minister Edemint. It seems that invitation is not
Speaker 18: going to be forthcoming. It hasn't handled it particularly well,
Speaker 18: and I think the problem is that you have to
Speaker 18: be consistent in these things, and you have to take
Speaker 18: the rights down. You will find that he's actually politically
Speaker 18: rewarding as well as the right thing to do. And
Speaker 18: I think if there hadn't been and he was unequivocal
Speaker 18: in condemning the October seven attacks. He wasn't unlike Penny Wong,
Speaker 18: he didn't say, oh, you know, we urged Israel to
Speaker 18: you know, be proportionate in its response. But again if
Speaker 18: he hadn't been right there, you know, with Israel visiting
Speaker 18: those communities that were affected, meeting the Prime Minister, it
Speaker 18: would make it, I think politically easier for him to,
Speaker 18: for example, you know, move the motion that was moved
Speaker 18: in New South Wales Labor Conference over the weekend and
Speaker 18: to condemn the actions in Gaza, as it was for
Speaker 18: President Biden to do so, for example, because his allegiance
Speaker 18: to Israel is not under question. And I think that's
Speaker 18: where the Labor Party needs to be and they should
Speaker 18: take a leaf out of Joe Biden's book and maybe
Speaker 18: not Carmlala Harrison.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll get to the Labor conference a bit later
Speaker 2: in the show. But Steve, the Prime Minister, was interviewed
Speaker 2: on Sky Today by Kieran Gilbert and I was interested
Speaker 2: to hear him and he doesn't say it often reiterate
Speaker 2: government's travel advice that people shouldn't be going to Israel.
Speaker 17: Have a quick look, people shouldn't be traveling Australian citizens
Speaker 17: shouldn't be traveling to that region given the instability which
Speaker 17: is there and the risks of escalation which are there.
Speaker 2: I mean, Steve, you'd presume the PM would have known
Speaker 2: through dfact that Dutton was making this trip. So perhaps
Speaker 2: that's where the comments are going to go over the
Speaker 2: next couple of days that Duton should be there.
Speaker 8: It really does give the opposition and Peter Dutton in
Speaker 8: particular more oxygen to describe Anthony Albanezi as a week leader.
Speaker 8: Now you've heard those two words shari on numerous occasions
Speaker 8: over the last couple of months. They keep prosecuting this
Speaker 8: case that the bloke in the lodge is not a
Speaker 8: strong decisive leader. So what Peter Dutton's trip does, of course,
Speaker 8: has put even more pressure on Anthony Albanesi in that regard.
Speaker 8: So and you can't underestimate either that that is a
Speaker 8: dangerous place at the moment. And Peter Dutton has decided
Speaker 8: to go on this very quick trip over three days.
Speaker 8: This whole Hesbilar issue could blow up while he's in
Speaker 8: the air or on the ground there in Israel, and
Speaker 8: it shows that he's prepared to actually go there and
Speaker 8: show an example of what Australia would be like under
Speaker 8: a Dutton government and the Dutton government's attitude to Israel.
Speaker 8: It shows a very big gap between the Albanezy government
Speaker 8: and what Peter Dutton would be like in power. And
Speaker 8: I think that's what the aim of the trip is
Speaker 8: as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, indeed, Joe, let's turn to the weekends reshuffle,
Speaker 2: Sunday's reshuffle.
Speaker 1: Look, the Prime Minister has tried.
Speaker 2: To say, oh no, there were no failings by Clara O'Neil.
Speaker 1: She's doing an excellent job.
Speaker 18: That's my birthday party, everybody, that's the prize.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: No one believes the ministers were performing so well that
Speaker 2: they just had to be moved out of their portfol.
Speaker 18: Of course, no one believes it. But he has to
Speaker 18: say it doesn't he's the Prime minister. There is colleagues.
Speaker 18: He's saying the right thing. It's like when you know,
Speaker 18: you send out an email saying that you know, like
Speaker 18: Joe will be leaving us at the end of this
Speaker 18: month after fifteen years with the company. We wish him
Speaker 18: well in his future endeavors. He's been a wonderful employee.
Speaker 18: Of course, he's going to say that blind Freddie knows
Speaker 18: that's not the case. I don't think this reshuffle is
Speaker 18: the disaster that a lot of people seem to be
Speaker 18: paid to it as it seems very sensible to me.
Speaker 18: Sensible Tony, like Tony Burke, is a really really strong performer.
Speaker 18: People might not agree with his past decisions or his
Speaker 18: past positions, but he's a very strong performer. He's smart,
Speaker 18: he's a strong parliamentary performer. He'll be able to handle
Speaker 18: it very well. I think Andrew Giles, I think, is
Speaker 18: the real sort of I suppose culprit in the disaster
Speaker 18: over the immigrant detainees, and he's been absolutely shafted, he's
Speaker 18: been absolutely shelld But it looks like a move sideways technically,
Speaker 18: so that's fine. Again, when was the last time you
Speaker 18: heard about the wonderful work Brendan O'Connor was doing in
Speaker 18: skills Never That's why no one's going to hear from
Speaker 18: Andrew Giles every again. Claire O'Neil, A bit like Bill
Speaker 18: Shorten being sent to ndis. You've got a portfolio that
Speaker 18: wasn't even in cabinet the last time laborer in government.
Speaker 18: It's now a really front of center, supercharged important portfolio,
Speaker 18: and what do you do. You get someone who's got
Speaker 18: a lot to prove, who maybe didn't have such a
Speaker 18: great run on the paddock last time round. You say, right,
Speaker 18: your reputation, your legacy depends on you fixing this crisis.
Speaker 18: That's what Shorten is doing right now with the NDAs.
Speaker 2: And that's why I reckon Claire, given housing is so critical,
Speaker 2: Given it's part of the reason inflation is so Hi
Speaker 2: you think he would put Albaneze, He would put the
Speaker 2: absolute best minister in that Steve. I'm going to hear
Speaker 2: your take though, and what Joe just said, because I
Speaker 2: completely disagree with him that Tony Burke couldn't be better
Speaker 2: for Home affairs. I mean home affairs you need someone
Speaker 2: tough on national security, tough on immigration, someone who is
Speaker 2: strong on terrorism.
Speaker 1: I mean Tony.
Speaker 2: Burke didn't call out the hate preachers after October seven.
Speaker 8: Immediately it was Joe out the back when you started
Speaker 8: the show today.
Speaker 18: He's been missing in action.
Speaker 8: I mean, he clearly didn't hear a word you said.
Speaker 8: If he thinks Tony Burke's going to do a great job,
Speaker 8: I mean Tony Burke has a seat which, as you
Speaker 8: point out, Chari is the center of radical Islam in
Speaker 8: Australia and he if he wants to retain the seat,
Speaker 8: has to keep the Muslim vote and that's what he
Speaker 8: is going to be doing. I mean, why would you
Speaker 8: put someone like that in charge of Home Affairs? I
Speaker 8: mean this whole O'Neil gilesing just makes me laugh. I
Speaker 8: mean I sometimes wonder whether the Prime ministraction listens to
Speaker 8: himself when he speaks. He was on Sky today with
Speaker 8: Kieran and he had a crack at Barnaby Joyce over
Speaker 8: those comments joycemade yesterday and he said, what does this
Speaker 8: bloke have to do to lose his job? Was he
Speaker 8: talking about Andrew Joles?
Speaker 1: Yeah'll give about clear ooneal exactly.
Speaker 2: Such a good point. I mean, the hypocrisy is truly breathtaking. Well,
Speaker 2: let's have a look at the reality of this cost
Speaker 2: of living crisis on the ground, and we read today
Speaker 2: that Australian hospitality businesses are going under sadly at record rates.
Speaker 2: This is new data from the Australian Securities and Investments
Speaker 2: and it shows the number of food service in solvencies,
Speaker 2: So restaurants and cafes insolvencies have jumped fifty percent to
Speaker 2: one thousand, six hundred and sixty seven.
Speaker 1: Joe.
Speaker 2: You know this indicates that people can't afford to eat
Speaker 2: to dine out so much.
Speaker 18: It is terrible and it's awful to say any business
Speaker 18: go under, especially small business there. However, the brutal reality
Speaker 18: is this is what the Reserve Bank wants Australians to do.
Speaker 18: It wants us to cut spending. And this is why
Speaker 18: these businesses are going under because customers are no longer
Speaker 18: spending their cutting back on anything because there is a
Speaker 18: cost of living crisis. And believe me, I know, but
Speaker 18: they are not spending on anything they don't absolutely have to.
Speaker 18: So if there is a light at the end of
Speaker 18: this tunnel, a silver lining to this cloud, it is
Speaker 18: that this will hopefully put less pressure on the RBA
Speaker 18: to raise interest rates next month.
Speaker 2: For a very fine line though, between lowering inflation and
Speaker 2: not plunging.
Speaker 18: This This is the problem. It's a really session and.
Speaker 1: The place where is the RBA on that? Are you
Speaker 1: worried about that? Steve?
Speaker 8: Yeah, Look, I know a number of people who run
Speaker 8: businesses that have chains of restaurants, and you know they
Speaker 8: are very successful. But guess what can't afford to open
Speaker 8: on a Sunday, can't afford to play the penalty rates
Speaker 8: in Victoria, you've got increases in land taxes, every price
Speaker 8: of everything they sell has gone up, and of course
Speaker 8: the changes to the industrial relations system boarding by this
Speaker 8: government mean they've got to pay staff so much more money.
Speaker 8: We are in the middle of a recession. Walk down
Speaker 8: any of the main eat streets in Australia and you know,
Speaker 8: I know Melbourne better than I know Brisbane, but I've
Speaker 8: seen it in Sydney. The number of two let signs
Speaker 8: in places like Chapel Street are unbelievable and people can't
Speaker 8: afford to go out, and so they're not going out
Speaker 8: and having smashed avocado on toast. Although we do still
Speaker 8: see cafes that are full of people and Joe's probably
Speaker 8: an avocado man, and absolutely, I mean most of us
Speaker 8: can't afford to go out and do that anymore.
Speaker 18: Yeah, strictly vegiemite and a flat white and that's it.
Speaker 18: Even a lart I reckonised you wouldn't pay.
Speaker 2: No one would pay for vegimine and toasted a cafe you.
Speaker 18: Mail that do it at high not leave the house,
Speaker 18: not pay.
Speaker 2: For Vegmink and everyone else has show on Sky News.
Speaker 2: All right, Steve Price, great to see you and Joe
Speaker 2: think you coming up after the break. The Middle East
Speaker 2: on the brink of all out war as Israel prepares
Speaker 2: to respond to Hesbela's deadly attack on children. Politician in
Speaker 2: Israel Sharon Haskell will join me Life plus the alarming
Speaker 2: report that reveals a disinformation campaign aimed at the Paris Olympics,
Speaker 2: with the Middle East is on the brink of all
Speaker 2: out war after twelve children were killed when Hesbelah hit
Speaker 2: Israel's Golan Heights on the weekend. Israel and the United
Speaker 2: States both say Hesbelah is responsible for the attack in
Speaker 2: the druzetown of Majdal Chams, but the terror group has
Speaker 2: denied responsibility. The IDF has confirmed it will prepare a
Speaker 2: response against Hesbelah. Well, let's bring it now, Israeli politician
Speaker 2: Sharon Haskell.
Speaker 1: Sharon, you're joining us.
Speaker 2: You're in a car en route to where the attack
Speaker 2: happened in Israel's north. The situation on the ground looks volatile.
Speaker 2: Flights are being canceled. I understand and correct me if
Speaker 2: I'm wrong. There are around one hundred thousand Israelis who've
Speaker 2: been displaced from the north Drew's parents are burying their children.
Speaker 2: What can we expect now from Israel's response to Hesbelah
Speaker 2: and how soon.
Speaker 6: Well isbel I had crossed the red line? And you're right.
Speaker 6: I'm coming back now from the town of mach Delchams
Speaker 6: here in Israel and the Golden Heights, and it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 6: There are twelve families, the entire Drew's community whose morning
Speaker 6: into Israel entirely. I don't think that a massacre like
Speaker 6: that of twelve children has left one dry eye year
Speaker 6: in Israel. Our hearts are completely shattered and broken. These
Speaker 6: are little babies. These are little children who went to
Speaker 6: play soccer, They wanted to play sport, they were competing
Speaker 6: there and their parents are absolutely broken. The entire community
Speaker 6: is broken. It's difficult to be in this area during
Speaker 6: this point of time because we know that this is
Speaker 6: the quiet before the storm. Crossing such a red line
Speaker 6: targeting massacrering children, there's gonna be a fierce response.
Speaker 1: We have to.
Speaker 6: Make sure that Chris ballad that back by Iran. These
Speaker 6: are by Iran's order. The IRGC ordered that, and we
Speaker 6: need to make sure that this line will never be
Speaker 6: crossed again, and for that we need to bring back
Speaker 6: to the turrent into our borders. Every single day there
Speaker 6: are dozens of attacks with drones, with missiles, killing people,
Speaker 6: destrowing homes, destroying lands. And if we want to be
Speaker 6: able to bring back Israeli refugees into their homes, we
Speaker 6: have to make sure that Chris Balla understand that there's
Speaker 6: a price for attacking like that, and definitely for murdering
Speaker 6: children in such a horrific way.
Speaker 2: Look, everyone's on edge in Israel at the moment. There
Speaker 2: are concerns that the wider areas of Israel as well
Speaker 2: could now come under attack from Hesbela, as you say,
Speaker 2: funded by Iran, not just the north. Is this what
Speaker 2: you're expecting that there is going to be a larger
Speaker 2: scale conflict now with Hesbelah.
Speaker 6: Well, it really depends on there. I mean for nine
Speaker 6: months now, but nine months we've been withholding our troops
Speaker 6: from the defending the northern border, from defending our community
Speaker 6: in our homes. And so if Chris Blah will decide
Speaker 6: to continue to attack on a daily basis a sovereign state, obviously,
Speaker 6: I don't think there's going to be another solution than
Speaker 6: a full on confrontation. We're given the international community now
Speaker 6: more than nine months to try and negotiate peacefully, you know,
Speaker 6: some diplomatic resolution. But Chris Blah and especially in Iran,
Speaker 6: doesn't understand that. They don't understand the diplomatic way. They
Speaker 6: don't understand diplomatic solution, and they don't keep up to
Speaker 6: their word all these agreements. I mean, we have an agreement.
Speaker 6: There's a United Nations resolution about Chris Ballad.
Speaker 1: They broke that.
Speaker 6: They're attacking Israel on a daily basis. They're murdering our citizens,
Speaker 6: they're murdering children. So of course, by the look of things,
Speaker 6: it will become a full confrontation. And Chris Ballah needs
Speaker 6: to understand. Look, Israel does not want to turn their
Speaker 6: route into Jubailah, Jebelia or a Fiah. Okay, we don't
Speaker 6: want that. We've given the international community nine months to
Speaker 6: come to a diplomatic solution, so you cannot.
Speaker 2: But is that what you're saying is going to happen?
Speaker 2: Are you saying that is going to be an attack
Speaker 2: on Beirut?
Speaker 6: I don't say this is I say that Israel for
Speaker 6: nine months has been weld withholding it and we all
Speaker 6: want to see the same site. That's why we've given
Speaker 6: them nine months for a diplomatic solution, but obviously it
Speaker 6: doesn't come to this point. So at this point, as Israeli,
Speaker 6: we do not see any other solution in a full
Speaker 6: confrontation and to make sure that we are able to
Speaker 6: defend on northern border.
Speaker 2: All right, and that is going to be an extremely
Speaker 2: tough period, heavy loss of life, no doubt on both sides. Sharon,
Speaker 2: really appreciate your time tonight. Thank you very much. That's
Speaker 2: Sharon Haskell, an Israeli politician. Well, let's move to the
Speaker 2: Paris Olympics now, and we have an exclusive report we
Speaker 2: can bring you where it's been revealed that Russia is
Speaker 2: using the Paris Olympics as a way to launch a
Speaker 2: major disinformation campaign, with pro Russian aibots creating fake videos.
Speaker 1: Designed to destabilize the games.
Speaker 2: In one example that you've probably heard of, a video
Speaker 2: is spread on social media pretending to be from Hamas
Speaker 2: inciting violence at the Olympics. Then there was also a
Speaker 2: deep fake documentary that had Tom Cruise, not the real
Speaker 2: Tom Cruise, criticizing Olympic officials. Well, let's bring in now
Speaker 2: cybersecurity expert Internet two point oh co founder David Robinson
Speaker 2: to explain.
Speaker 1: David, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: What is your work delving into who's been behind these
Speaker 2: fake videos?
Speaker 1: What is it uncovered?
Speaker 19: Good evening, Sherry. Basically, it looks like Russia is launching
Speaker 19: strategic disinformation campaign against the Olympics, against Paris from our view,
Speaker 19: basically on multiple fronts, through multiple mediums. There are videos
Speaker 19: pretending to be Hamas making direct threats in a violent
Speaker 19: way against the IOC in Paris twenty twenty four. They're
Speaker 19: also you know, pretending to be from different areas in
Speaker 19: that rift. But in the end, there's an open wound
Speaker 19: here in France, and that's the history of terrorism and
Speaker 19: the social cohesion issue that has been going on with
Speaker 19: the election. So Russia is trying to divide the French
Speaker 19: and exploit that rift in society. So you attacking the
Speaker 19: IOC but also being very divisive in their campaign.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's something I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: don't realize. We know, there's a lot of inflammatory content
Speaker 2: on social media, particularly on TikTok, which is where a
Speaker 2: lot of the younger generation are, but it's not well
Speaker 2: known that often state actors like Russia are behind this,
Speaker 2: so are putting forward disinformation even to drive an erosion
Speaker 2: of social cohesion in the West. What do you think
Speaker 2: that aim is here, specifically in targeting the Olympics.
Speaker 19: Russia is the only country that normally comes to the
Speaker 19: Olympics that has had a torrid history of being banned
Speaker 19: from the Olympics. Obviously, the doping scandal, the war in
Speaker 19: Ukraine basically means that Russia's banned from the Paris twenty
Speaker 19: twenty four Olympics after their doping band was removed. So
Speaker 19: Putin takes significant value in national sporting competitions, both in
Speaker 19: football and Olympic sport. And so there's a great history
Speaker 19: here between Putin's Russia and the Olympics disrupting them. You know,
Speaker 19: they invaded Georgia in two thousand and eight, they launched
Speaker 19: a massive cyber attack in twenty eighteen against North Sorry,
Speaker 19: that South Korean Winter Olympics. So it's a huge personal
Speaker 19: insult Putin representing Russia in his mind, in his perception
Speaker 19: that he's not allowed to come.
Speaker 2: David, the report that you've given us for this show tonight,
Speaker 2: it shows the IOC twenty twenty four apps.
Speaker 1: So the official Olympic.
Speaker 2: App actually allows TikTok tracking cookies, so anyone who downloads
Speaker 2: the app could potentially be tracked by TikTok.
Speaker 1: Is that accurate and why would this be happening?
Speaker 19: Yeah, Cherry, we've released that in the last twenty four hours,
Speaker 19: so it's probably Australian exclusive on TV. We've done a
Speaker 19: lot of analysis on the IOC IOC's twenty twenty four
Speaker 19: paras app in the last week and they embed a
Speaker 19: lot of third parties into the app, and notably you know,
Speaker 19: for Australian government officials, US government officials, TikTok their JavaScript
Speaker 19: basically is embedded through the app and their website. So
Speaker 19: as soon as you go to check your metal tally
Speaker 19: or download the app, TikTok is getting browser activity and
Speaker 19: all the activity you do on that domain, and so
Speaker 19: you can you can stop it, but you have to
Speaker 19: go into the curity settings and hit reject or if
Speaker 19: you don't, TikTok we'll get that information.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable. Not many people of course would know to do that.
Speaker 2: All right, Dave, thank you so much for your time,
Speaker 2: and just to explain who Dave is, he was a
Speaker 2: former intelligence officer in Australia and now he's a cybersecurity
Speaker 2: expert with his firm that he co founded, Internet two
Speaker 2: point zero, and their work is responsible for a lot
Speaker 2: of the revelations on TikTok that have led to change
Speaker 2: in the United States Congress.
Speaker 1: Well, coming up.
Speaker 2: After the break, We've still got a lot to look at.
Speaker 2: Albanizi is fast losing the trust of voters. Yet another
Speaker 2: damaging poll plus a labor inside it slams Alban Ezey's.
Speaker 1: Move to promote Tony Burke.
Speaker 2: Cameron Milner will join me next. All right, welcome back. Well,
Speaker 2: in a minute, I'm going to show you the first
Speaker 2: pictures of Peter Dutton live on the ground in Israel.
Speaker 2: This is exclusive to us to the Shari program. You
Speaker 2: can see there Peter Dutton in a bilateral meeting with
Speaker 2: his Israeli officials. This is Peter Dutton with Israel's Foreign Minister,
Speaker 2: Israel Cats. These pictures have just come in to us.
Speaker 2: This is a highly significant meeting. Later today Israel time,
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton will meet with Israeli President Isaac Hertzog in
Speaker 2: a strong show of support from the Coalition towards our
Speaker 2: closest ally in the Middle East, and this follows the
Speaker 2: Albanesi government's track record of increasing hostility and criticism towards Israel,
Speaker 2: despite our strong history of intelligence sharing agreements, our strong friendship.
Speaker 2: Albert Ezi has not visited it Israel since October seven.
Speaker 2: Most other world leaders took a trip there in a
Speaker 2: show of solidarity, Albinizi did not. When Penny Wong eventually went,
Speaker 2: she failed to visit the sites of the terrorist massacre
Speaker 2: in the South. She didn't visit the Nova festival either,
Speaker 2: where one thy two hundred young people were killed in
Speaker 2: cold blood, gunned down.
Speaker 1: We've had survivors on this show.
Speaker 2: But Peter Dutton has traveled there.
Speaker 1: He is there.
Speaker 2: He flew in tonight and he went straight to a
Speaker 2: meeting with Israel's Foreign minister, Israel Cats. So very significant meeting,
Speaker 2: very impressive. It's going to send a strong message by
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton to the Jewish community and it comes after
Speaker 2: just how vocal he's been on the issue of anti Semitism. Well,
Speaker 2: let's bring in now Labor powerbroker Cameron Milner and former
Speaker 2: Labor MP Michael Danby. Welcome to you both. We're going
Speaker 2: to get to Tony Burke in a minute. But Cameron,
Speaker 2: I just want to get your reaction to this breaking
Speaker 2: news tonight. I mean, what do you think it highlights
Speaker 2: Albaneze's failure on this issue?
Speaker 20: Absolutely, chari and Peter Dutton once again is showing Australians
Speaker 20: what leadership really looks like. He's actually doing the things
Speaker 20: for Australia on the international stage, not going on some
Speaker 20: kntique tour on TOTO one and having Champagne in the
Speaker 20: White House doing real international relations. And so Peter Dutton
Speaker 20: yet again is showing the Prime Minister what primises should
Speaker 20: be doing and isn't. And that's an indictment on Albow.
Speaker 2: I think I need to remind viewers Cameron that you
Speaker 2: are Bill Shotton's former chief of staff. You are a
Speaker 2: senior labor figure. You know this isn't a conservative person
Speaker 2: criticizing Albin Easy here, Michael Danby, long term federal labor MP. Michael,
Speaker 2: what's your take on Darton's visit here?
Speaker 21: Well, Elbow should have gone there. Even his fashionist to
Speaker 21: mate with whom he issues press releases now pontificating about
Speaker 21: the Middle East, Justin Trudeau has been How can you
Speaker 21: comment how can you have these poor Israeli ambassador I,
Speaker 21: me and my Moon called in to discuss Hezbollah and
Speaker 21: her muscle, all this kind of stuff. If you haven't
Speaker 21: seen the facts on the ground, if you haven't been
Speaker 21: there and you haven't spoken to people, negligent, Just like
Speaker 21: Foreign Minister Wong with Ukraine. I was there in March
Speaker 21: in Ukraine, took a train to Kiev. Come on, penny,
Speaker 21: you can't be giving Australian tax fares money there without
Speaker 21: going there. Out of failure war no Embassy of Australia
Speaker 21: still then just replicated time after time. But the amen
Speaker 21: corner of the press gallery in Canberra lets them both off.
Speaker 2: Indeed they do a Cameron Tony Burke promoted to Home
Speaker 2: Affairs Minister. It's a kind of unbelievable. What are your
Speaker 2: concerns about him taking on this job?
Speaker 20: Well, the whole reshuffle is like shuffling the deck chairs
Speaker 20: on the Titanic. I mean it's not exactly a big change,
Speaker 20: but the worst possible change is Tony Burke into the
Speaker 20: two portfolios. He's taken utterly compromised. His own electorate is
Speaker 20: the epicenter of is Islamic extremism in Australia the epicenter
Speaker 20: of hate preachers, and yet as the local member he's
Speaker 20: waved it all through.
Speaker 8: So Goodness knows what.
Speaker 20: He does as our Home Affairs minister when our national
Speaker 20: security is at stake. Goodness knows when he's got the
Speaker 20: demand for Palestinian refugees in vert commas to come out
Speaker 20: after the conflict, who will no doubt be flooded with
Speaker 20: hamas and other g hardy operatives and it will wave
Speaker 20: them through As a weak immigration minister, No, Tony Berg
Speaker 20: is utterly compromised because his own personal endev and try
Speaker 20: to hold on the seat of Watson against the Muslim
Speaker 20: vote will compromise every single decision he makes. Can be
Speaker 20: making decisions on his own interests no longer than national
Speaker 20: interests and Albow should have known better.
Speaker 2: No, very good points, very strong comments. Now you'd think
Speaker 2: the Albanezer government would be focusing almost solely on the
Speaker 2: cost of living at the moment, but absurdly, given they
Speaker 2: can't even solve the housing crisis, they think they can
Speaker 2: fix the problems in the Middle East. And we saw
Speaker 2: the Labor State conference over the weekend in New South
Speaker 2: Wales and there was a big push Michael Danby for
Speaker 2: Palestinian statehood, even while her Mass currently remains as the
Speaker 2: governing body. There was some sense from none other than
Speaker 2: Daniel Andrew's former Victorian premier, and he wanted against recognition
Speaker 2: of a Palestinian state.
Speaker 22: Now.
Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews said, and I quote her mask on not
Speaker 2: about peace, hermuss on not about anything other than the
Speaker 2: eradication of the Jewish state. Federal Communications Minister Michelle Roland
Speaker 2: also dismissed concerns over the Muslim vote campaign. She's said,
Speaker 2: Michael that Labour shouldn't be basing its position on the
Speaker 2: war it's foreign policy on pro Palestinian voting intentions. Michael,
Speaker 2: how much do you miss Daniel Andrews at the moment?
Speaker 21: Well, I actually saw his speech. It's ironic that the
Speaker 21: former socialist left premier of Victoria is more towards the
Speaker 21: political center on these issues on national security issues than
Speaker 21: the New South Wales right. Tony Burke, Chris Bowen ed
Speaker 21: Hughesick are all responsible for the total intellectual collapse of
Speaker 21: social democracy in Australia. This is not the labor of
Speaker 21: Kim Beasley, Bob Hawke, even Paul Keating or Kevin Rudd,
Speaker 21: and it's not just on this Middle East issue, but
Speaker 21: it's on the environment, cost of living, all of these
Speaker 21: kinds of issues, giving the unions too much power while
Speaker 21: he was a minister for Union Afares, Tony Burke. It's
Speaker 21: all a mistake, you know. It's not what Bob Hawk
Speaker 21: would have done, not what Kim Beasley would have done.
Speaker 21: It's a different Labor.
Speaker 1: Party, Cameron.
Speaker 2: We've got this new Redbridge pole in the papers over
Speaker 2: the past couple of days showing that the Labor government
Speaker 2: is struggling to hold on to public confidence. Voters are
Speaker 2: now turning to the opposition. In the two party preferred survey,
Speaker 2: Coalition is leading fifty one point five percent to Labour's
Speaker 2: forty eight point five percent.
Speaker 1: So again this shows.
Speaker 2: Cameron that perhaps Albanzi doesn't have the instincts in the
Speaker 2: right place. He needs to be doing more on the
Speaker 2: issues that are affecting everyday families who are struggling.
Speaker 20: Absolutely, and thank goodness, Jim Chalmers is trying as hard
Speaker 20: as he possibly can as Treasurer on the cost of
Speaker 20: living issue. But no, this poll is part of a trend,
Speaker 20: a huge trend, and it's a trend away from Albanese.
Speaker 20: Labour's primary is plummeting and Peter Duttley's rebuild the conservative
Speaker 20: or liberal primary nationwide because he's talking about cost of living,
Speaker 20: because he's talking about issues at matter around the kitchen table,
Speaker 20: not virtue signally on Gaza, actually putting downward pressure on
Speaker 20: gas prices. No, so seriously, Charlie, We've been talking about.
Speaker 18: This on the program for a while now.
Speaker 20: Albert has a huge problem and the longer it goes,
Speaker 20: the worst it'll get.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, Cameron Milner, Michael Danby, thank you both
Speaker 2: very much for your time and thoughts tonight. Now still
Speaker 2: to come the race to the White House titans as
Speaker 2: new polling shows VP Kamala Harris gaining ground on Trump Plus.
Speaker 2: And this is an outrageous story. Google stands accused of
Speaker 2: censoring the assassination attempt of Donald Trump. This is a
Speaker 2: big story and I'll bring it to you next.
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
Speaker 2: Well, let's turn to the United States now, where Vice
Speaker 2: President Kamala Harris is calling background lost by Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: There's a new Wall Street Jonal poll and it shows
Speaker 2: a likely Democratic nominee is sitting forty seven percent to
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's forty nine percent in a two person matchup.
Speaker 2: Harris is also fundraising extremely well, picking up a reported
Speaker 2: eighty one million dollars in one day. This is apparently
Speaker 2: the record for twenty three hours. That's bringing now Sky
Speaker 2: News contributor Kosher Gada Koshark great to see you look
Speaker 2: in the space of just a week, it looks like
Speaker 2: the Democrats is back up and running.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 22: I think you know, this race has clearly been reset Shari.
Speaker 22: And what's even more remarkable is what would normally be
Speaker 22: developed over an eighteen month time span, that's the typical
Speaker 22: time span of a presidential campaign, all of that has
Speaker 22: been compressed into one hundred days, one hundred days away
Speaker 22: from election day, and so you're going to see this
Speaker 22: kind of tightening and everything else happened at an accelerated space.
Speaker 1: Peace It is expected.
Speaker 22: There's sort of, you know, a honeymoon period for somebody
Speaker 22: who's by a large still a blank canvas to a
Speaker 22: lot of people, and they're working very hard over the
Speaker 22: next four weeks both parties to frame her and define her.
Speaker 22: But I think a lot of pent up demand that
Speaker 22: had been put to the side of disillusioned voters in
Speaker 22: the week of Biden and that disaster's debate, all of
Speaker 22: that is coming back out.
Speaker 1: And being released.
Speaker 22: It's sort of like a relief rally, and I think
Speaker 22: many people expect that it's going to continue in August
Speaker 22: and that at that point we go back to the
Speaker 22: fundamentals of the race, and I think those last sixty
Speaker 22: seventy days is kind of going to basically shake out
Speaker 22: in terms of the final results.
Speaker 1: Here. Look, let's turn to this story. I think this
Speaker 1: is incredible.
Speaker 2: Google, as in the search engine is censoring results for
Speaker 2: the assassination attempt of Donald Trump, and instead we're seeing
Speaker 2: that Google is suggesting recommended search results for Donald Reagan, Hitler,
Speaker 2: Bob Marley, anything you can think of, but not Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: I actually tested this out today and anyone at home
Speaker 2: can do it as well. Go to Google, type in
Speaker 2: attempted assassination on and even when you start writing Dnald
Speaker 2: Donald Trump does not come up.
Speaker 1: Kosher.
Speaker 2: I think this is a for the role of big
Speaker 2: tech in the upcoming US.
Speaker 22: Election one hundred percent. I tested out as well, and
Speaker 22: you know it doesn't even stop with Google. I also
Speaker 22: tried it in chat GPT and it comes out and
Speaker 22: says that there are no credible reports from credible sources
Speaker 22: that he in fact was had an attempt at assassination.
Speaker 1: That's outrageous.
Speaker 22: I think, you know, it really brings to point this
Speaker 22: issue with big tech, where Google is eighty five percent
Speaker 22: of the search industry and Being is the other fifteen percent.
Speaker 22: There By the way it works, they're not doing this.
Speaker 22: So you've got so much power in this one company
Speaker 22: that has so much a market power as well as
Speaker 22: information control power. You layer on AI with the chat
Speaker 22: GPT example, it's only going to get worse. But for
Speaker 22: a few flashpoints. You've got X, You've got some media outlets,
Speaker 22: you've got independent media that's sort of making this known.
Speaker 22: But it is really really ominous, and it's just another
Speaker 22: version of what we saw in the last election with
Speaker 22: the Hunter Biden laptop suppression or this suppression, and you're
Speaker 22: seeing it in real time, and unfortunately a lot of
Speaker 22: people who get their news from just these platforms and
Speaker 22: aren't as literate about going out and finding other resources
Speaker 22: will be unfortunately their opinions are shaped or you know,
Speaker 22: erasure is happening right before our eyes.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's interesting that the left is so worried
Speaker 2: about disinformation, you know, as we all are, but the
Speaker 2: Left makes it a campaign platform. You know, they've tried
Speaker 2: to have disinformation and commissioners, and yet on chat GPT
Speaker 2: no credible information that there was an assassination attempt on
Speaker 2: Donna Tumpa.
Speaker 1: It's just unbelievable. Now, let's turn to Trump's running mate JD. Vance.
Speaker 2: He's doubling down after footage emerged of him making these comments.
Speaker 12: Have a look, we're effectively run in this country via
Speaker 12: the Democrats, via our corporate oligarchs, by a bunch of
Speaker 12: childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives
Speaker 12: and the choices that they've made, and so they want
Speaker 12: to make the rest of the country miserable too.
Speaker 2: Tucker nodding along, by the way childless cat ladies.
Speaker 21: Well.
Speaker 2: In an interview on another form of Fox host at
Speaker 2: the Megan Kelly Show, Vance said it was a sarcastic common.
Speaker 23: It's not the criticism of people who don't have children.
Speaker 23: I explicitly said in my remarks, despite the fact that
Speaker 23: media has lied about this, that this is not about
Speaker 23: criticizing people who, for various reasons, didn't have kids. This
Speaker 23: is about criticizing the Democratic Party for becoming anti family
Speaker 23: an anti child.
Speaker 1: Look, many people will be offended.
Speaker 2: It is difficult to have children, a lot of fertility issues,
Speaker 2: So Kosha, this is damaging him. We've seen major celebrities
Speaker 2: like Jennifer Aniston attack him for the comments.
Speaker 22: Yes, and he has stepped into the lions den here,
Speaker 22: So any word he has ever spoken or written, they're
Speaker 22: going to call him through that. And this was an
Speaker 22: unforced error in terms of the style with which he
Speaker 22: phrased that and the words that he chose as he's
Speaker 22: doing the clean up right now with Megan Kelly and others.
Speaker 22: Though I think his broader point that he's sticking by
Speaker 22: is it's about what kind of society do we have
Speaker 22: and are we pro family or anti family? As a
Speaker 22: broader point, But I think I would come back to
Speaker 22: what we talked about at the top, where this race
Speaker 22: is going to be very very close, and it's going
Speaker 22: to be one lost on ultimately the base turning out
Speaker 22: for both sides. And if you look at what his
Speaker 22: answer is now and in terms of how he's trying
Speaker 22: to correct that or modulate it through that lens, it
Speaker 22: explains that he's going to not worry about the Jennifer
Speaker 22: Aniston's or even like some of the moderate votes might
Speaker 22: be gettable as much as he's worried about getting those
Speaker 22: low propensity voters that are already open to and supportive
Speaker 22: of his policy and President Trump's policy, and I don't
Speaker 22: think these comments are going to swear them. So that's
Speaker 22: why he's going to double down on that position.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Koshakhana, thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think the likes of Jennifer Aniston and
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift aren't going to change too many votes. People
Speaker 2: know what they think of Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Now that's it for me. I'll see you at eight
Speaker 1: o'clock tomorrow evening. And right now, here's Paul Murray