Speaker 1: Peter Gudlin live from year twenty four.
Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up tonight.
Speaker 2: Just as we're going to air Labor MP the Member
Speaker 2: of Solomon that's up in Darwin, Luke Gosling, the one
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister standing by in his role as Special
Speaker 2: Envoy four Defense. He's been charged with a breach of
Speaker 2: his bail conditions. I'll get you an update from the
Speaker 2: NT from our man Matt Cunningham in just a moment.
Speaker 2: Labour's carbon tax by stealth. A damning report says it'll
Speaker 2: increase cost fivefold and all that's.
Speaker 3: Passed on to you.
Speaker 2: At the same time, we've got data centers adding forty
Speaker 2: percent to Australia's electricity grid demand and it's all going
Speaker 2: to collide under the watch of Chris Bowen. God help
Speaker 2: us all ap plus more loyalty questions tonight for One
Speaker 2: Nation's rookie MP David Farley, and the momentum building for
Speaker 2: One Nation at the crucial secret Harbord by election on
Speaker 2: the weekend and hasty accusing the Liberals of running dead.
Speaker 2: It leads Conservative Prime Minister Georgia Maloney blunt advice for
Speaker 2: the Tory leader Keemy bad knock across to London where
Speaker 2: the Tory leaders being urged not to do a deal
Speaker 2: with Nigel Farage and the Victorian Premier Ben Carol out
Speaker 2: this morning promising to scale back the suburban rail loop.
Speaker 2: It can he save the billions that even party insiders
Speaker 2: are convinced.
Speaker 4: This is a dog of a project that the previous
Speaker 4: leadership committed labor to. It's totally sabotaged the budget going forward,
Speaker 4: and I would hope that they're able to do a
Speaker 4: lot more than just two billions in savings.
Speaker 3: Dog of a project.
Speaker 2: That's a truth bomb, isn't it? From Stephen Conroy there.
Speaker 2: But first let's see if you can square this circle
Speaker 2: for me, because right now Energy Minister Chris Bowen cannot.
Speaker 2: Australia has targets to reduce emissions that we are never
Speaker 2: going to meet, despite throwing billions at foreign companies that
Speaker 2: are ripping their way through our pristine wilderness, our coastline
Speaker 2: and prime agricultural land with dodgy large scale renewables.
Speaker 3: And that's before we.
Speaker 2: Even factor in mammoth transmission lines that will be required
Speaker 2: to take the electricity generated from those remote areas to
Speaker 2: our urban.
Speaker 3: Cities where it will be consumed.
Speaker 2: Just look at the recent history in western Victoria where finally,
Speaker 2: after two years of dogged campaigning by farmers and farming communities,
Speaker 2: they look like they've won the war against the massive
Speaker 2: V and I West project. Provided Labour loses the state election,
Speaker 2: that would have destroyed so much of the state's best
Speaker 2: agricultural land parieted. Of course, that this woman defeats Labour's
Speaker 2: Ben Carroll in November.
Speaker 5: It's clear that the Labour government has bulldozed over the
Speaker 5: rights of farmers and property owners in that area and
Speaker 5: there's no community license to see that project go ahead.
Speaker 5: But it's also a project that first started off, as
Speaker 5: you know, with an estimate of around two billion dollars.
Speaker 5: Of course that's blown out to nearly twelve billion dollars.
Speaker 3: Now what about those people.
Speaker 2: I've spoken to plenty of them, you know, eighty year
Speaker 2: old's farmers. Multiple communities have seen people find at big fines.
Speaker 3: What happens to those fines, They're gone.
Speaker 5: They will not continue under my leadership. I think it
Speaker 5: is outrageous that we are seeing people being fined on
Speaker 5: their own properties.
Speaker 2: So all of this harmed to some of the best
Speaker 2: land in our country and for what green power to
Speaker 2: be used by green voters in the city. All the
Speaker 2: while we end up having to import food from overseas
Speaker 2: because our farmers walk off the land. In addition to
Speaker 2: Bowen's emissions fantasy are his renewables targets that we will
Speaker 2: also never meet, but Labour's prepared to send us broke
Speaker 2: trying to get there. The recent bailout of time ago,
Speaker 2: costing taxpayers two point five billion, is just the latest
Speaker 2: waste of your money trying to keep the lights on
Speaker 2: and heavy manufacturing in this country as the Elbanezy government
Speaker 2: destroys base load power capacity. All up some seven billion
Speaker 2: dollars has been handed out in subsidies to big international
Speaker 2: companies that would walk if they didn't get the money
Speaker 2: from Canberra. And why should they stay and pay through
Speaker 2: the nose for power in Australia when they can head
Speaker 2: offshore and get cheap electricity in China or India generated
Speaker 2: through the burning of Australian coal and gas. Now, it
Speaker 2: was it that long ago that a Labor Prime minister
Speaker 2: said this there will be no carbon tax under the
Speaker 2: government high lead when she bought it in any way
Speaker 2: in a grubby deal with the Greens. It signed her
Speaker 2: political death warrant because this van was elected in a
Speaker 2: landslide promising to scrap it.
Speaker 6: The carbon tax will be gone.
Speaker 7: The butts, the boats will be stopped.
Speaker 2: Well they did both in these scrap that carbon tax, certainly,
Speaker 2: and yet here we are again yet another attempt by
Speaker 2: Labor to put back in by stealth what you Australia
Speaker 2: voted to scrap. Reports today confirming that if Chris Bowen
Speaker 2: gets his way, manufacturing and resources will copy fivefold increase
Speaker 2: in carbon compliance costs. That's a carbon tax by stealth.
Speaker 2: That's what it amounts to, with every single dollar of
Speaker 2: those costs passed on to consumers. This is only happening
Speaker 2: because Labour's still holding fast to the Paris targets that
Speaker 2: almost everyone else in the Western world has now walked
Speaker 2: away from. At best, we one percent of the global problem.
Speaker 2: But the clowns in Canberra insist on wrecking one hundred
Speaker 2: percent of our economy to achieve virtually nothing in terms
Speaker 2: of global temperature change. Then along times the curveball of
Speaker 2: data centers. It's almost poetic and it's justice, isn't it.
Speaker 2: All the warnings that have come from sensible energy types
Speaker 2: and those like me who want Australia to retain a
Speaker 2: strong economy and energy security. Now watch those on the
Speaker 2: hard left twist and turn as data center aspirations collide
Speaker 2: with the reality of running base load power out of existence. Well, sorry,
Speaker 2: you turkeys, you can't have both, not unless you want
Speaker 2: to bite the bullet and put nuclear power on the table.
Speaker 2: According to reports today in the Age, the number of
Speaker 2: Australian data centers indevelopment has doubled since twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: and their strain on the nation's power supply is expected
Speaker 2: to accelerate even further over the next decade, with projections
Speaker 2: at Data Center Pipeline that the Data center pipeline will
Speaker 2: add some forty percent to national power usage. This is
Speaker 2: where the great green fantasy collides with reality, let's hope.
Speaker 2: So now, not many of you all know this, but
Speaker 2: my little brother once played AFL, picked up in the
Speaker 2: draft straight from school. I've got a close cousin too,
Speaker 2: who was in the Richmond Team of the Century and
Speaker 2: later in the coaching apparatus at a number of top
Speaker 2: AFL clubs. I've got Uni mates who played, and I've
Speaker 2: got the sons of mates now playing. But that doesn't
Speaker 2: mean I know AFL.
Speaker 3: I don't. I've never pulled on the boots.
Speaker 2: But it does mean I have a little understanding of
Speaker 2: how things work, particularly the big money making political machine
Speaker 2: that is the AFL. Like almost everyone at the moment
Speaker 2: with an opinion on the events at the Pullman Hotel
Speaker 2: two weeks ago, I don't know what happened in that room.
Speaker 3: I wasn't there.
Speaker 2: To date, there have been no police charges, and investigations
Speaker 2: continue that these men have a big win and then
Speaker 2: go out to celebrate by dialing up exotic dances or
Speaker 2: whatever they were. The early hours of the morning staggers
Speaker 2: me all credit to the other players in the team
Speaker 2: who had a beer and a shower and went to bed, because,
Speaker 2: as Mum told me a long time ago, nothing good
Speaker 2: happens after midnight, and rarely is that wrong. Where this
Speaker 2: goes next will be a matter for both the police
Speaker 2: and the club, but I want to say something in
Speaker 2: relation to the AFL now. In addition to the allegations
Speaker 2: of paul conduct by these players, are also consistent reports
Speaker 2: that allegedly cocaine and ketamine was consumed in the hotel room.
Speaker 2: Not only are these substances banned drugs in professional sport,
Speaker 2: but they are also illicit drugs. So where is the
Speaker 2: AFL and it's drug testing regime on this and where
Speaker 2: are the police too, given that these drugs are against
Speaker 2: the law. This was something put to the head of
Speaker 2: the AFL Andrew Dillon yesterday.
Speaker 3: Will you see.
Speaker 7: That those matters at the moment are under the police investigation,
Speaker 7: So the AFL won't be conducting any of its own
Speaker 7: inquiries until after the police investigation's finished.
Speaker 2: Okay, not testing them, it would seem. In his press conference,
Speaker 2: Dilan made a big noise about banning them in for
Speaker 2: attending the upcoming Brownlow Medal Awards night, saying that the
Speaker 2: AFL would not invite them. But listen carefully, because they're
Speaker 2: or not, Dylan says, they remain eligible.
Speaker 7: The invitation to the brown lawill be going out this week.
Speaker 7: Those players won't be invited. They are still eligible for
Speaker 7: the Brand lad but they're under they're under a club
Speaker 7: suspension which goes until the end of the season.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, how does this work? How does any player
Speaker 2: who allegedly uses drugs during the season not get tested,
Speaker 2: not get investigated and still remain eligible for the league's
Speaker 2: Best in fairest to After all, former essend and Great
Speaker 2: Joe Watson lost his Brownlow after a suspension for using
Speaker 2: peptides and they're not even an illicit drug unlike cocon ketamine.
Speaker 2: But more than just being fair to everyone who plays
Speaker 2: the sport and wants it to stay clean, what about
Speaker 2: the billions waged each week on the AFL because gambling
Speaker 2: far outstrips any profit at the turnstile for wagering on sport.
Speaker 2: To be clean, the sport must be clean from drug use.
Speaker 2: And the fact that the AFL won't give a straight
Speaker 2: answer on the drug testing of those senior players when
Speaker 2: there are multiple reports that illicit drugs were consumed, well,
Speaker 2: that raises serious integrity issues with the game. These integrity flags,
Speaker 2: they're not a responsibility for the club to answer. This
Speaker 2: is squarely on the AFL. And while I'm at at,
Speaker 2: how about football administrators match their fine sounding words about
Speaker 2: how women should be treated by male footballers in the
Speaker 2: room at a hotel with how club administrators are treating
Speaker 2: female players. Nowhere is it acceptable for female athletes to
Speaker 2: be forced to take the field in a sporting match
Speaker 2: and face biological men.
Speaker 3: But that's the case in South Australia where.
Speaker 2: A man identifying as a woman weighing some ninety two
Speaker 2: kilos and six foot two inches in height gets the
Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt. Despite that is three clubs in
Speaker 2: this female league lodging duty of care and safety complaints. Now,
Speaker 2: for goodness sakes, AFL, be consistent. If you want players
Speaker 2: to respect the women in the hotel room, how much
Speaker 2: you give the women on the field the same respect
Speaker 2: to We'll get our headlines now with cam Redden, but
Speaker 2: then we'll go to Darwin for the latest on Luke Goslin.
Speaker 3: Is Cam good?
Speaker 8: Evening the Productivity Commission is defending its call to overhaul
Speaker 8: the GST, even though no federal leader is willing to listen.
Speaker 2: Roger cooks of dismissing the Productivity Commission as clowns.
Speaker 3: That is so disrespectful.
Speaker 8: It found WA's share of the pie costs the other
Speaker 8: state six billion dollars a year, or in other words, we.
Speaker 2: Sort of quantify, it's around a four hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: dollars a year tax cut.
Speaker 9: And if we ask the Productivity Commission to do a report,
Speaker 9: you shouldn't be surprised that an economically rationalist position pops out.
Speaker 4: Why do we have the Productivity Commission if we don't
Speaker 4: listen to them?
Speaker 8: Well, the Productivity Commission needs to factus some productivity. There's
Speaker 8: yet more confusion around one nation's migration policy.
Speaker 6: At the weekend.
Speaker 8: Its newest MP had to be dragged into line after
Speaker 8: claiming its migration target would be two hundred and thirty
Speaker 8: thousand people a year, when paul A ene Hansen says
Speaker 8: it would be one hundred and thirty thousand. But News
Speaker 8: twenty four has revealed that as recently as last year,
Speaker 8: her own senators were arguing that target should be zero.
Speaker 6: In November, Sean Bell told the Parliament we've proposed a
Speaker 6: net zero pause for five years. Well a month prior,
Speaker 6: Malcolm Roberts promised.
Speaker 8: We will implement net negative migration Net negative migration.
Speaker 6: Cameron Reddin, News twenty four, Canberra, All right.
Speaker 3: Let's go to that newsdown.
Speaker 2: Not long out of the NT Labor MP for Solomon
Speaker 2: Luke Gosley charged with two counts of assault already has
Speaker 2: now been charged by the NT Police with breach of bail,
Speaker 2: Matt Canningham and misjoining us. Now with the details, Matt,
Speaker 2: what can you tell us, Well.
Speaker 10: My understanding, Peter is that this latest charge relates to
Speaker 10: Luke Gosling's attendance at the Test cricket on the fourteenth
Speaker 10: of August. So, as you were saying, he has been
Speaker 10: charged with those two counts of allegedly assaulting the Northern
Speaker 10: Territories Administrator David Connolly. The day after he was charged,
Speaker 10: he actually applied in the Darwin Local Court to have
Speaker 10: his bail conditions altered so he could attend official functions.
Speaker 10: The judge agreed to alter those conditions but put strict
Speaker 10: conditions on his attendant. So those conditions included that he
Speaker 10: had to give at least forty eight hours notice or
Speaker 10: he's office did to mister Connolly's office if he was
Speaker 10: going to an attended event where they were both likely
Speaker 10: to be invited or were both going to attend, and
Speaker 10: he wasn't allowed to come within fifteen meters of mister
Speaker 10: Connolly at such an event. So the police have released
Speaker 10: this statement saying that on the fourteenth of August, which
Speaker 10: was the second day of the Test match that was
Speaker 10: held here in Darwin between Australia and Bangladesh. That is
Speaker 10: the date that mister Gosling is alleged to have breached
Speaker 10: his bail and he has been charged now with one
Speaker 10: count breach of bail. I was at the cricket on
Speaker 10: that day. I saw Connolly at the cricket in the
Speaker 10: corporate hospitality area on the fourteenth of August. Mister Gosling
Speaker 10: subsequently posted pictures of himself at the cricket in the
Speaker 10: main grandstand on that day. I don't know if they
Speaker 10: came within fifteen meters of one another. I don't know
Speaker 10: the exact nature of the charge, but police have confirmed
Speaker 10: there is that one charge of breach of bail. I
Speaker 10: have contacted mister Gosling's office and I'm waiting for further
Speaker 10: comment from them, But at this stage he is due
Speaker 10: to appear in the Darwin Local Court on the thirtieth
Speaker 10: of September, where he will now be facing those three charges,
Speaker 10: two of allegedly assaulting the administrator, David Connolly, and one
Speaker 10: for allegedly breaching his bail conditions. This will only put
Speaker 10: more pressure on the Prime Minister Peter to strip him
Speaker 10: of those titles as Special Envoid for Defense Veterans Affairs
Speaker 10: in Northern Australia. We know when Andrew Clenell, our colleague,
Speaker 10: asked Mark Butler, the Health Minister, about it at the time,
Speaker 10: he said that basically lou Gosling was just a backbencher
Speaker 10: and these roles had no official power. But I think
Speaker 10: there'll be more questions asked tomorrow about whether mister Gosling
Speaker 10: is going to stay in those roles.
Speaker 2: A breach of bal of course, can mean your bail
Speaker 2: is withdrawn and you're put into Remand what was that
Speaker 2: date again, you said when there was the hearing.
Speaker 10: The next hearing, it's the thirtieth of September, so it's
Speaker 10: about five weeks away. He was at first due to
Speaker 10: appear in court on the first of September. That date
Speaker 10: was vacated at his last bail hearing when he made
Speaker 10: this application, So the thirtieth of September is when this
Speaker 10: goes back.
Speaker 1: Before the court.
Speaker 10: But you're right there, of course is the possibility that
Speaker 10: if the judge believes that a serious breach has occurred,
Speaker 10: he could revoke Luke Gosling's bail. We will find out
Speaker 10: more about that, of course, when it returns to court
Speaker 10: on September third.
Speaker 2: Matt, thank you your stove across that I know. Let's
Speaker 2: bring in our poltical editor Andrew Clenell before we get
Speaker 2: to other things. Andrew, I want to get your reaction,
Speaker 2: but I mean, surely the PM can't stand behind this
Speaker 2: bloke anymore. Is going to be stood down from any role.
Speaker 11: Of course he does, but let's see if Albanez he
Speaker 11: does it. Let's see if he does it because he
Speaker 11: doesn't like giving a scalp no matter what. The guy
Speaker 11: has been criminally charged, give us a break anyway. This
Speaker 11: was Health Minister Mark Butler on Sunday Agenda Luke Gosling.
Speaker 11: He was talking about him. Matt Cunningham just mentioned this interview.
Speaker 11: Then he was saying, if Luke Gosling was a minister,
Speaker 11: he would have to step aside.
Speaker 12: So explain that one to me. When he's a special envoy.
Speaker 13: Well, it's important to remember what the job of special
Speaker 13: envoy is. It's not a ministerial position. It doesn't have
Speaker 13: any executive authority, any ability to make decisions that impact Australians.
Speaker 13: Of course, as you know, if he were a minister,
Speaker 13: he would be required to stand aside, but the special
Speaker 13: envoy is a very different position.
Speaker 11: We've got seven special envoys. Why do we have them
Speaker 11: then well, this.
Speaker 2: Is it's just a boondoggle because they can't get a
Speaker 2: front bench big enough with their parliamentary majority of you
Speaker 2: and I know that's to give him a handle up there.
Speaker 2: He's been in that seat for ten years. His constituents
Speaker 2: must say, mate, you're not going anywhere. You haven't been
Speaker 2: put on the front bench. He can say, oh, well
Speaker 2: I have in a sort of way. I'm a special envoy.
Speaker 3: But I mean, i'll tell you what. When you were
Speaker 3: facing criminal.
Speaker 2: Charges and then we were now charged with disregarding the law,
Speaker 2: a breach of bail, that's the charge from police. I
Speaker 2: think that's pretty bloody serious. And I think the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister I think he loses a lot of bark here
Speaker 2: on this.
Speaker 3: Andrew.
Speaker 2: I think the constant refusal to act with integrity to
Speaker 2: police his team. I think Austrains are getting a bit
Speaker 2: sick of it.
Speaker 11: Well, if he keeps doing it, it will suffer politically for it.
Speaker 11: That's all all said Peter. So it's a choice for
Speaker 11: the Prime minister.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to one nation because I think
Speaker 2: they're all over the shop. I'll get to David Farley
Speaker 2: in a moment, but just the lack of clarity. You
Speaker 2: saw Cam's package there. You know, different senators making different
Speaker 2: points in relation to net negative migration. Is it the
Speaker 2: one point thirty? Is it a non as a file
Speaker 2: they said on the weekend close to Labour's numbers. You
Speaker 2: know they have a big trust value when it comes
Speaker 2: to migration.
Speaker 3: Is this eroding that trust.
Speaker 12: People paying attention to it? That's the question.
Speaker 11: Obviously it should and if we're in an election campaign
Speaker 11: it would, but we're not, so Really, I just wonder
Speaker 11: how much it's being noticed by people. But I guess
Speaker 11: it shows sort of an issue, an underlying issue that
Speaker 11: they can't stay coordinated in the way that a proper
Speaker 11: major political party of government can can't stay coordinated on
Speaker 11: policy or message. So that's going to be a big
Speaker 11: challenge going forward unless they improve how they're going.
Speaker 2: For my view, I think the punters out there are
Speaker 2: not picking this up. They're not particularly interested, and I
Speaker 2: think that is so far in front on the issue
Speaker 2: of migration that there's a discount factor that people will
Speaker 2: let them get away with. But I think it says
Speaker 2: to me, and I think it says to you that
Speaker 2: the policy back in now, the coordination the messaging as
Speaker 2: they get bigger, as they have more big voices. And
Speaker 2: it's not just Pauline's voice in daylight. I mean there's
Speaker 2: a lot of big voices in that tent. Now, that's
Speaker 2: the problem they're having, and it's whether they can get
Speaker 2: through these teething problems or not.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Absolutely, I mean that Chris Kenny revelation tonight, which has
Speaker 11: been around in publications like The Guardian, but I hadn't
Speaker 11: seen Peter, I must admit, which I ran on my show,
Speaker 11: that Pauline Hansen can is the sole arbiter of who
Speaker 11: becomes the next leader. I find quite extraordinary and I'd
Speaker 11: certainly be making hay of this if I were the
Speaker 11: opponents of One Nation, because that's not how a political
Speaker 11: party operates in a democracy.
Speaker 12: But there it is, in black and white in the
Speaker 12: one nation constitution.
Speaker 11: She decides who succeeds her, not only vote of the
Speaker 11: executive of the party, of the caucus within the Parliament
Speaker 11: of the party of branch members as such Pauline has
Speaker 11: to say so that means Lee Hanson if she gets
Speaker 11: in the parliament, maybe even if she doesn't.
Speaker 3: Well that's a redheaded monarchy. Sure.
Speaker 2: But if that's what the members are happy with, and
Speaker 2: look at her membership numbers, and membership numbers are sorry.
Speaker 3: That's what members Well, I don't know that that's true.
Speaker 3: I don't know that that's true.
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens with the fallout of the documentary
Speaker 2: later on tonight. Just quickly, that story about David Farley.
Speaker 2: Accidentally we're told walking into a Liberal Party room meeting
Speaker 2: in Canberra and said, oh do Liberal Party meeting? I
Speaker 2: could see myself sitting in here. Do you think he's
Speaker 2: going to do you think he's someone who is going
Speaker 2: to be a risk to leave one nation?
Speaker 11: Well, it's It's called flirting, isn't it, Peter, I think.
Speaker 3: Do you think he's flirting? Now?
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think he's I mean I had to call
Speaker 11: a short time ago from political source has often been accurate,
Speaker 11: but I'm not necessarily saying this is true, suggesting that
Speaker 11: David Farley has now made a number of statements about
Speaker 11: we need more migrants, is willing to martyr himself over
Speaker 11: that and leave the party and perhaps become an independent
Speaker 11: or something else by the end of the year. Now,
Speaker 11: I don't know if that's true or not, but I
Speaker 11: showed on my show. Darren de Botoli, who's a winemaker
Speaker 11: in the Griffith region in the seat, made a comparison
Speaker 11: to Helen Dalton, the state member leaving the shoes and
Speaker 11: Fishes to become an independent and doing well. So I
Speaker 11: would not put money on David Farley by Christmas being
Speaker 11: in one nation MP.
Speaker 12: That's what I'll say. We can play it back if
Speaker 12: you like later on.
Speaker 2: Well well, wow, okay, put to your market right there
Speaker 2: on that one.
Speaker 3: That's very interesting.
Speaker 2: Hey, let's go to way that state by election on
Speaker 2: the weekend Secret Harbor. It's interesting because it's got plenty
Speaker 2: of federal implications here. The Prime Minister obviously in the
Speaker 2: West but clearly told my head office please don't you go.
Speaker 2: We've got to help us. Boss, don't go anywhere near
Speaker 2: the seat.
Speaker 3: Have a listen.
Speaker 6: I don't go to by election campaigns. You've campaigned in
Speaker 6: state seats though before.
Speaker 14: I don't campaign in by election campaigns.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Roger Cook try to mop up as well, saying oh, look,
Speaker 2: you know it's just a little old.
Speaker 3: State by election. But Labor hold the seat.
Speaker 2: Labor and desperate to keep the seat, and the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister happens to be in town and is told basically,
Speaker 2: don't come anywhere near us.
Speaker 11: Well, you don't go to a loss if you can
Speaker 11: help it, do you? One nation's going to win that suit,
Speaker 11: So I reckon if you were advising the Prime Minister
Speaker 11: right now, you'd be discouraging him from going as well.
Speaker 12: Peter, let me.
Speaker 2: Play an exchange between the Liberal leader over there, Basil
Speaker 2: z and plus and the Member for Canning at a
Speaker 2: federal level. Obviously, Andrew Hasty and Canning overlaps in part
Speaker 2: Secret Harbor have a listen high.
Speaker 13: Approach has very much been see one nations rise as
Speaker 13: an opportunity, not a threat.
Speaker 7: I don't accept this idea that a win for one
Speaker 7: nation is a win for the Liberal Party.
Speaker 1: We're fighting for our lives.
Speaker 4: You don't wave the white flag.
Speaker 12: Well, I think Andrew Hasty hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 8: The Liberals are running, scared and running dead in Secret Harbor.
Speaker 11: They just don't have the guts to actually stand up
Speaker 11: for what they believe in.
Speaker 2: Andrew, this is the strategic schism. Do you plain ice
Speaker 2: with one nation in the hope you get their preferences,
Speaker 2: except you've lost votes to them that they'll certainly have
Speaker 2: a primary vote pick up, as appear as Zempless is saying,
Speaker 2: or do you go at them hard?
Speaker 3: Do you make them the enemy?
Speaker 2: Do you fight them as hard as you're fighting Labor?
Speaker 2: As Andrew Hasty appears to be saying.
Speaker 11: Well, they are an opponent, but you've got a hope
Speaker 11: for the Liberal Party, Labor's the main opponent. But I've
Speaker 11: been saying for a while I think the campaign ads
Speaker 11: will target both because they'll have to. But I just
Speaker 11: don't agree with I think you've got to make the government.
Speaker 11: I mean, they are in power, after all, the government's
Speaker 11: got to be the main focus. I think Basil's words
Speaker 11: were a bit clumsy, you know. I just think that's
Speaker 11: a bit crazy. Who else says that? You don't see
Speaker 11: Labour say for Greens are about to win a seat,
Speaker 11: that's an opportunity order.
Speaker 12: That's just madness.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you why that is though.
Speaker 2: That's because Zemplers came in, you know, banging his drhyme,
Speaker 2: thinking he was a great, big white hero and this
Speaker 2: looks like it'll be the feat for him. So he
Speaker 2: has to now pivot and already now start laying down
Speaker 2: the ground as to why on Saturday night he's unlikely
Speaker 2: to deliver the winner.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's fair enough, but they're still really clumsy words.
Speaker 11: You could say something like the main thing is to
Speaker 11: rest this off the government, which gives the Liberals the
Speaker 11: best chance of government. You don't say, you know, the
Speaker 11: one nation election is good, so I just you know,
Speaker 11: Zimplest is very inexperience still. I mean, he's got some
Speaker 11: big backers over in Wa, like the likes of Stokes
Speaker 11: and Ryan Hart. I think like him and perhaps don't
Speaker 11: particularly like Hasty, So I think there's all that sort
Speaker 11: of politics in the background as well.
Speaker 15: But I.
Speaker 11: Think you've got to say that there's chances of the
Speaker 11: Liberal Party all the way. You know, you don't get
Speaker 11: don't go the expectation management. Yeah, do that afterwards, because
Speaker 11: I mean otherwise Hasty is right.
Speaker 12: You are waving the white flag.
Speaker 11: You're saying to people, well, when he turned up on Saturday,
Speaker 11: you know what, doesn't vote for us because one nation
Speaker 11: and winning anyway, Now all of us think that. But
Speaker 11: you've got to fight till the last minute not to
Speaker 11: this expectation. If you get into expectation management, your background
Speaker 11: print Jado's on the phone, off the record, right, that's
Speaker 11: how you do it. You don't do it like Zemple
Speaker 11: has just did it.
Speaker 2: You don't do it while the polls are still open.
Speaker 2: I tell you what, that's part of the problem. There
Speaker 2: is basically talking down the result and that I think
Speaker 2: is covering for Basil's emplus and that damages the party.
Speaker 2: But we'll see we Saturday night. We'll watch you here
Speaker 2: on Sky.
Speaker 3: Thank you mate. After the break.
Speaker 2: The damning report that forecasts a fivefold increase to costs
Speaker 2: to industry in Australia if we head down the path
Speaker 2: as we are on the Paris Climate Agreement and the
Speaker 2: joke that is Melbourne's suburban rail Lupe gets worse not
Speaker 2: just for the Victorian taxpayers, but for everyone around the country.
Speaker 2: We talk about coming up live to the UK where
Speaker 2: the Tories every in a bit of a bind on
Speaker 2: whether they should work with Nigel Faraj not disimilar to
Speaker 2: dissimilar to the Coalition's conundrum with Paul and Hanson. But
Speaker 2: now to reports today that Australian manufacturing and resources companies
Speaker 2: will face a five fold increase in a key cost
Speaker 2: of complying with Labour's flagship emissions reduction policy if the
Speaker 2: government stays as aligned as it is to the Paris
Speaker 2: Climate Agreement. This is, as many experts worn today, a
Speaker 2: carbon at tax by stealth. Here to talk us through
Speaker 2: this and more, Micro Business Chief economist Leith van onsland
Speaker 2: Lee thank you for coming on. I mean this is untenable.
Speaker 2: A five fold increase. We know it goes to consumers.
Speaker 2: They'll be the brunt of this. And this is a
Speaker 2: carbon tax by stealth.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 16: Look, this would be absolutely the disaster were it to
Speaker 16: come to pass. It would deal another hammer blow to
Speaker 16: Australian industry, which, let's face it is already reeling from
Speaker 16: high enjicos. Recent years, we've seen many manufacturers go go bust,
Speaker 16: very large manufacturers in Australia currently has the smallest manufacturing
Speaker 16: sector in the OECD, so.
Speaker 1: This would obviously make it worse.
Speaker 16: And obviously, Peter, we should also ask how Australian manufacturing
Speaker 16: closing and move into countries with weaker standards actually helps
Speaker 16: the environment or climate. I argue it doesn't because we
Speaker 16: simply export our missions to another jurisdiction with weaker rules,
Speaker 16: and I argue that it's actually better the climate and
Speaker 16: the environment if we actually had lower energy prices we
Speaker 16: manufactured more at home and we didn't have to import
Speaker 16: goods thousands of kilometers on ships burning dirty bunker fuel.
Speaker 16: So yeah, this is complete disaster for Australian industry if
Speaker 16: it goes.
Speaker 2: Ahead, notwithstanding the fact that you know, we're putting our
Speaker 2: farmers out of business, we're mowing down national parks, we're
Speaker 2: ruining our beautiful coastline. You know, we're destroying the environment
Speaker 2: to protect the planet.
Speaker 3: That doesn't add up late, it absolutely doesn't.
Speaker 16: We're one percent of the world's carbon missions roughly, and yeah,
Speaker 16: as you said, I don't see the logic, especially when
Speaker 16: Australia exports seven times more coldal the rest of the
Speaker 16: world than we use. We're the world's second big it's
Speaker 16: our gas export of at thirty percent of the world's uranium.
Speaker 16: Yet we're depriving ourselves of that same energy, and we're
Speaker 16: virtually going to drive up our energy costs in the
Speaker 16: name and that zero and send our industry offshore to
Speaker 16: other countries that don't have the same environmental standards as US.
Speaker 1: It just makes no sense.
Speaker 2: Two and a half billion the other day to bail
Speaker 2: out Tomago. We've had about seven billion spent subsidizing heavy
Speaker 2: industry to basically pay their power bills because we've made
Speaker 2: power so unaffordable in this country.
Speaker 3: That's even before we.
Speaker 2: Start getting into these data centers. At this I found
Speaker 2: interesting today data centers in developments are not yet online
Speaker 2: double since twenty twenty five. The strain on the greed
Speaker 2: is it a forty percent spike in the costs. We're
Speaker 2: already struggling to meet the base load requirements that we
Speaker 2: already have. I know, it's really tough in Victoria. Now
Speaker 2: you've got this load as this finally where we're going
Speaker 2: to have a sort of a come to Jesus moment
Speaker 2: about the clash between the green dream, the green religion
Speaker 2: over here and the reality of if we want to
Speaker 2: be an AI superpowerhouses, as the government says, we are
Speaker 2: going to.
Speaker 3: Have to claw back some of this green religion.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, so look at AUSTRAI as energy man. Let's
Speaker 1: go to skyrocket.
Speaker 16: So you've got data centers, We've got projected very strong
Speaker 16: population growth over the next several decades, and also the
Speaker 16: government wants to electrify the entire vehicle fleet and we're
Speaker 16: going to need more desalination plants for the growing population
Speaker 16: and data centers.
Speaker 1: All this stuff requires heaps of energy.
Speaker 16: And at the same time as we're supposed to shut down
Speaker 16: five gigawats of baseload coal generation by twenty thirty and
Speaker 16: then fifteen gigawatts in total by twenty thirty five, So
Speaker 16: we're facing a pretty simple equation here. We've got a
Speaker 16: massive ramp up in energy demand at the same time
Speaker 16: is going to lose a hell of a lot of
Speaker 16: baseload coal generation, So that just means we're going to
Speaker 16: have energy shortages. And this is exactly what IMO warned
Speaker 16: of today, that Australia is going to suffer from power
Speaker 16: shortages from twenty thirty because of this rising demand into
Speaker 16: a supply constrained system. And I honestly think that Australia
Speaker 16: should copy China's approach to energy and basically aim for
Speaker 16: abundance and build more of everything. I think that's the
Speaker 16: most sensible approach.
Speaker 3: Well, let's go to Victoria because we had the new
Speaker 3: premium ban.
Speaker 2: Carol out there today say he reckons he can save
Speaker 2: the suburban rail loop. You can find two billion dollars
Speaker 2: of savings. I'd say to him, If you can find
Speaker 2: these savings, we already should have the savings as poor
Speaker 2: old taxpayers. But there's no love anywhere for this project
Speaker 2: other than inside Victorian State Labor. Not even Stephen Conroy,
Speaker 2: who was a mentor to Carol, thinks it's a good idea.
Speaker 3: Have a listen.
Speaker 4: This is a dog of a project at the previous
Speaker 4: leadership committed Labor to. It's totally sabotaged the budget going forward,
Speaker 4: and I would hope that they're able to do a
Speaker 4: lot more than just two billions in savings.
Speaker 2: Well, finally, someone in Labor, it looks like they've drunk
Speaker 2: a bit of truth serum. I understand the initial cost
Speaker 2: was thirty four billion, but that's a decade ago. It's
Speaker 2: not going to be thirty four billion dollars. Give us
Speaker 2: the update on that one. But also in terms of governance, right,
Speaker 2: what really irks me we're.
Speaker 3: On the cusp of an election.
Speaker 2: The idea that Carol or anyone in government can sign
Speaker 2: off contracts that will bind future governments out for decades,
Speaker 2: which is what Labour's going to try and do. I
Speaker 2: think that's wrong.
Speaker 16: Oh absolutely so the whole thirty four billion figure, I
Speaker 16: think it was actually five years ago that came out
Speaker 16: with that, But since five years ago that figure came
Speaker 16: out construction costs across Australia, so talking right across all
Speaker 16: construction has risen by about forty percent. So I honestly
Speaker 16: think Peter, if you think about logically this project, if
Speaker 16: you had to price it today, it'll probably be closer
Speaker 16: to fifty billion dollars.
Speaker 1: So that is just absolute.
Speaker 16: Ridiculous amount of money for a boondog or project that
Speaker 16: is going to suck up their entire state's infrastructure budget
Speaker 16: for decades if they build all three stages, and that's
Speaker 16: going to rob growth areas of funding. And as to
Speaker 16: your other point about signing these contracts, just that the
Speaker 16: former Premier Sinner Allen, when she took over and I
Speaker 16: think late twenty twenty three, she had the perfect opportunity
Speaker 16: to cancel this project. We hadn't signed any contracts yet,
Speaker 16: could have just got out scott free. She could have said,
Speaker 16: look that was Dan Andrews's idea, there's a new sheriff
Speaker 16: in town. We're not going to go ahead with it
Speaker 16: doesn't make sense. Instead, she doubled down, signed the contracts
Speaker 16: and now you fast forward to today and we're facing
Speaker 16: a diabolical situation whereby If the government walks away from
Speaker 16: the project, we could be up for costs of I
Speaker 16: think it was estimated about twelve billion a few weeks
Speaker 16: ago in the Herald Sun. Whereas if we go ahead
Speaker 16: with it, we're looking at costs of maybe fifty billion.
Speaker 16: So Victorians are damned if they do and they're damned
Speaker 16: if they don't. And they've basically, you know, sabotages they've
Speaker 16: sabotaged the budget. We're facing massive blow it in debt,
Speaker 16: we're going to get probably a credit rating downgrade, and
Speaker 16: we're going to have the state's infrastructure budget starved for
Speaker 16: possibly decades because of this boondoggle project.
Speaker 1: It is an absolute disgrace.
Speaker 3: I will mention before you go.
Speaker 2: Of course the Prime Minister's already been asked to bail
Speaker 2: out Victoria that was knocked back. But of course there's
Speaker 2: a lot of federal money in this project. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of federal money still being poured into Victoria to
Speaker 2: prop up failing states. So if you're not worried about
Speaker 2: it in Queensland or New South Wales or WA should be,
Speaker 2: thank you, Leith. Let's go down to crime statistics in
Speaker 2: Melbourne too.
Speaker 3: This is not just a.
Speaker 2: Crime wave across homes and the carjackings and the machete
Speaker 2: attacks on the street. You've seen all of that, but
Speaker 2: statistics out today to say that if you're using public
Speaker 2: transport in Melbourne Metropolitan train stations before the removal of
Speaker 2: these Protective Service officers were relatively safe. Since they have
Speaker 2: been removed, there's been a near one hundred and eighty
Speaker 2: percent increase in offenses over just the last five years.
Speaker 2: Someone who wants this to change. One of the team
Speaker 2: behind Fix Victoria, the head of Membership and Advocacy get
Speaker 2: in Rosna. Well, you know you can't get in your
Speaker 2: car because you'll be car struggle to leave behind where
Speaker 2: you don't want to be there at night, you can't
Speaker 2: be robbed. You worry about your kids coming home from
Speaker 2: basketball practice and being jab with a night to work.
Speaker 3: And you can't get to work because the trains aren't.
Speaker 14: Say yeah, well this was a problem that was actually
Speaker 14: fixed a long time ago. So we in Victoria did
Speaker 14: twenty years ago have problems with assults of train stations
Speaker 14: and the like. In twenty ten Protective Services officers they're
Speaker 14: not quite police, but they act like police. Were stationed
Speaker 14: on every train station in Victoria and that did a
Speaker 14: long way to bring crime down. The problem is, Peter,
Speaker 14: of course, Victoria has run out of money. So a
Speaker 14: little while ago the decision was made to remove PSOs
Speaker 14: from some of these train stations and redeploy them to
Speaker 14: the real crime hotspots. The problem is that every train
Speaker 14: station in Victoria is experiencing more crime. There's one train
Speaker 14: station on the Cranbin line that had three incidents in
Speaker 14: twenty twenty one. Last year it had one hundred and
Speaker 14: twenty one criminal incidents. So these PSOs in needed. They
Speaker 14: shouldn't have been removed. But you know, this is what
Speaker 14: happens when you're paying a million dollars a day in interest,
Speaker 14: you cann't afford the basics you need. What I found
Speaker 14: really interesting is that when this decision was made, the
Speaker 14: police superintendent in charge said, it's okay, you can look
Speaker 14: up online which stations have pso which ones don't. Now, look,
Speaker 14: the thing about train stations is you want to go
Speaker 14: to the one close to where you live. I don't
Speaker 14: want to have to take an over twenty minutes to
Speaker 14: go to a train station because it happens to be safe,
Speaker 14: and that kind of beats the purpose of the whole exercise.
Speaker 2: I also talked to women too, arms with kids on
Speaker 2: the train and if they feel like someone's making the
Speaker 2: nervous on the train or in fact intimidating them, they
Speaker 2: want to be able to get off at the next
Speaker 2: train station. Now, if you get off the train station
Speaker 2: and it's edging on dusk and there is no one
Speaker 2: at that train station, you're not safe.
Speaker 14: And there are some scary characters on trains these days.
Speaker 14: As the social fabric in Victoria has broken down, you
Speaker 14: do see a lot more thugs. You see junkies, you
Speaker 14: see people you know who are acting a little bit
Speaker 14: suspicious and so on. But you're right, before the PSOs
Speaker 14: were put online, women did have to walk to their
Speaker 14: cars at night from the train station with their car
Speaker 14: keys build up in their hands like a makeshift knife.
Speaker 2: Why there was a whole series of horrific sort of
Speaker 2: serial killer attacks on train line down towards Frankston and beyond.
Speaker 3: So I think that's in everybody's mind. Just quickly.
Speaker 2: I know you've been out and about talking, hearing you're
Speaker 2: out there campaigning to fix Victoria. Does anyone think Victoria
Speaker 2: is not broken?
Speaker 14: Look, the vast majority of people I speak to think so.
Speaker 14: But look, we've been going door to door to Victorian businesses.
Speaker 14: We've been posting these signs in windows. Businesses who want
Speaker 14: to show their support head onto fix Victoria dot com,
Speaker 14: dot you and get in touch if you want to
Speaker 14: host one, because we have been hearing from businesses who
Speaker 14: are absolutely under the guns and cannot trade, partly because
Speaker 14: of the crime issue. Now, as you know, Peter, as
Speaker 14: your viewers know, we have a huge issue in Victoria
Speaker 14: with fire bombings. Now it's tempting to think, well, the
Speaker 14: criminal fire bombings, they affect the dodgy tobacconist and the
Speaker 14: criminals wrong. Surrounding businesses who happen to be located near
Speaker 14: them are suffering too. Just last month there was a
Speaker 14: fire bombing in a shop in Richmond. Twelve other businesses
Speaker 14: that did absolutely nothing wrong. We're damaged. There's one business,
Speaker 14: one restaurant that can't open for another ten months. Now
Speaker 14: that's before you adding all the other criminal issues that
Speaker 14: businesses are facing, whether it be the break ins, the
Speaker 14: windows being smashed in the shop lifting, the anti social
Speaker 14: behavior businesses. There are a whole lot of ways in
Speaker 14: which businesses are under the pump. But the number one
Speaker 14: thing is please make it safe. We pay so much
Speaker 14: in tax. The least we deserve is an environment where
Speaker 14: we can trade in peace.
Speaker 3: Keep up the fight.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Peter Fike, Victoria, get to the website. If
Speaker 2: you want to tell your story. They want your story.
Speaker 2: They won't use your name if you don't want it used.
Speaker 3: But anything you've.
Speaker 2: Got to tell them helps the campaign to change the government.
Speaker 2: All right, quick break, We've got to London. I quite
Speaker 2: like her, you know, Georgia Maloney.
Speaker 3: She's waiting and.
Speaker 2: Into British politics. Some free advice for bad Knock. We'll
Speaker 2: see what Kemmy bad Knock thinks about that. And Harry
Speaker 2: and Megan forced to cough up for their own security.
Speaker 2: That's what the British taxpayer wants. Welcome back coming out
Speaker 2: Wine Earth is the Department of Home Affairs funding a
Speaker 2: group that claimed australia fate anti Semitism. Of course, Royal
Speaker 2: Commission also being cut short.
Speaker 3: That's a concern.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a moment now though, to
Speaker 2: the UK and an extraordinary warning from the Italian Prime
Speaker 2: Minister to the Tory leader Kemmy Badnock. Georgina Georgia beg
Speaker 2: your pardon. Maloney has urged bad Knock to resist to
Speaker 2: deal with Nigel Farage instead to emulate her approach of
Speaker 2: standing firm on the right while pursuing economic growth and
Speaker 2: controlling migration. Here to tell us more news Twitter for
Speaker 2: contributor News Corp. Australia's European correspondent, Sophie Ellsworth. Well, I'm
Speaker 2: a bit interested to know so why Maloney has weighed
Speaker 2: into British politics.
Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 2: I mean, she deports hate preachers, she's really tough on
Speaker 2: radical Islam.
Speaker 3: She's tough on her own borders. But you know, if
Speaker 3: you've got.
Speaker 2: Farage or you've got a return of labor and office
Speaker 2: in the UK, I know what most people.
Speaker 15: Want great to be with you, Peter.
Speaker 17: Look, Kemmy Baderock met with Georgia Maloney in Rome this war.
Speaker 17: They had coffee together and the Italian Prime Minister urged
Speaker 17: Kemmy Badenok to stand her ground, be her own person
Speaker 17: and not really get sucked into doing these deals with
Speaker 17: other parties.
Speaker 15: But it is interesting to note, Peter.
Speaker 17: In one of the latest polls out Labor US slightly
Speaker 17: ahead of reform with twenty eight percent support versus twenty
Speaker 17: five percent with Reform and eighteen percent with the Conservatives.
Speaker 15: And we know that Kenny b Nigel fash.
Speaker 17: Be Lockley content have traded men bar with each other
Speaker 17: and both have said they would not.
Speaker 15: Join forces together.
Speaker 17: So it is an interesting turn of events and it
Speaker 17: seems Peter, at this point in time, incredibly unlikely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it's first pass the post over there, you
Speaker 2: haven't got all the issues to worry about in terms
Speaker 2: of preference deals. But if you look at the Reform vote,
Speaker 2: if you look at the Tory vote, you add them
Speaker 2: together and some other players on the right and there's
Speaker 2: absolutely no love for labor. But if there isn't some
Speaker 2: accommodation between Reform and the Tories even restoring there as well,
Speaker 2: then you could have a situation where most people in
Speaker 2: Britain do not want labor returned, but labor come back.
Speaker 17: Well, that's exactly right, Peter, and that's something that is
Speaker 17: very likely that could happen. However, there still is a
Speaker 17: lot of anger here in the UK at the Tories.
Speaker 17: There's a lot of blame on the Tories because as
Speaker 17: we know, they're in office for over a decade and
Speaker 17: they're being blamed for a lot of the problems. Now
Speaker 17: we know we've just got the new Prime Minister, Andy Burnham.
Speaker 17: Parliament resumes here Tuesday next week. We haven't seen a
Speaker 17: lot of him because he's only been in Downing Street
Speaker 17: about one month, so we're still yet to really learn
Speaker 17: a lot about the new Prime minister. But at the moment,
Speaker 17: Labor are ahead in the polls and the Tories and
Speaker 17: Reform cannot seem to mend their dislike for each other,
Speaker 17: and it doesn't seen that that will change for any
Speaker 17: time in the coming future.
Speaker 2: I know you get problems with his connection, Sophy, I'll
Speaker 2: let you go there. I'll come back to Harry and
Speaker 2: Meghan another time. I fear though, he'll get a little
Speaker 2: bit more of a bump and then he'll head to
Speaker 2: the polls. That's what will happen with Labor all right
Speaker 2: after the break the hundreds of thousands of dollars of
Speaker 2: your money being given to a group that claims Australia
Speaker 2: has faked anti semitism.
Speaker 3: I panel up next, welcome back.
Speaker 2: Troubling evidence to come out of the one Overall Commission
Speaker 2: that the Home Affairs Department, this is at a federal level,
Speaker 2: has funded a group that claimed Australia faked anti Semitism.
Speaker 2: The groups called the One Path Network. It bills itself
Speaker 2: as an Islamic education media company and it was the
Speaker 2: beneficiary of a three hundred and eight thousand dollars social
Speaker 2: cohesion grant. But beyond propagating the claim that Australia quote
Speaker 2: faked anti Semitic atix to save Israel, it has also
Speaker 2: platformed radical preachers. Jot I mean now to discuss this
Speaker 2: and more, broadcaster Lucy's Zelig and senior fellow at the
Speaker 2: Mensies Research Center, Nick Cata. Lucy, I'll tell you what
Speaker 2: we need a really serious audit about these so called
Speaker 2: social cohesion grants.
Speaker 3: Don't we great to be with you? Peter couldn't agree
Speaker 3: with you more.
Speaker 18: But let's add that to the list of things that
Speaker 18: we need to do as we reflect on what led
Speaker 18: to the tragedies that unfolded at the Bondo massacre. Chief
Speaker 18: among them also the slashing of counter terrorism efforts and
Speaker 18: the fact that we had one of the alleged terrorists
Speaker 18: on an ASIO watch list who was also able to
Speaker 18: leave the country as part of this terrorist kind of
Speaker 18: cult death cult training. And this is deeply concerning and
Speaker 18: very troubling. I note that the Home Affairs Secretary, Stephanie
Speaker 18: Foster was grilled about this particular issue and said that
Speaker 18: they look at the facts to the best of their
Speaker 18: abilities that are before them, and they do their due diligence.
Speaker 18: There's nothing about this that smacks about due diligence. And
Speaker 18: when you consider that one of the criteria for this
Speaker 18: particular grant to the tune of three hundred and eight
Speaker 18: thousand dollars by the way, is to anti quote support
Speaker 18: social cohesion and sustainability of independent multicultural media outlets.
Speaker 3: What dare I ask is anything or has.
Speaker 18: Anything to do with social cohesion and promoting those elements
Speaker 18: when you're posting videos content online that are asking questions
Speaker 18: or or saying things like how Australia faked anti Semitic
Speaker 18: attacks to save Israel.
Speaker 2: Nick, I've got great concerns about the veracity of any
Speaker 2: recommendations made by this Royal Commission. If it doesn't get
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister in there, if it hasn't had the
Speaker 2: Home Affairs Minister in the stand, if it's not hearing
Speaker 2: direct from Asio. We know that Dennis Richardson did that
Speaker 2: short inter report at the top, but there were discussions
Speaker 2: about lack of resourcing, the closure of some of the
Speaker 2: Islamic Arabic units inside intelligence services. Well, he since quit
Speaker 2: the panel. We haven't had the Prime Minister in the
Speaker 2: stand and I don't think we're serious unless he is
Speaker 2: there and the ruler has run over. He knew what
Speaker 2: he was told, what he was briefed, how he reacted,
Speaker 2: and whether he actually can and is willing to keep
Speaker 2: Australian safe.
Speaker 9: I think it's clear it's going to be a very
Speaker 9: incomplete Royal Commission because we're not having senior ministers, we're
Speaker 9: not having the Prime Minister, and we're not giving them
Speaker 9: time to look into the very story which you raise,
Speaker 9: which is grants given in the in the in the
Speaker 9: cause of social cohesion and multiculturalism that end up being
Speaker 9: used by groups of propagate hatred and direct Antiosemitism. You
Speaker 9: know that the Commission needs a long time and a
Speaker 9: lot of resources to get to the bottom of this,
Speaker 9: but it must it must. We cannot leave this thing
Speaker 9: half done, Peter. It has to be completed and completed properly.
Speaker 2: With it, Lucy, it's interesting get ups out there putting
Speaker 2: six hundred thousand dollars into a raft of seats held
Speaker 2: by Labor to try and sandbag these seats for Labor
Speaker 2: in the November election.
Speaker 18: Yeah, it's been really interesting, hasn't it, Peter, to watch
Speaker 18: all of this unfold. And I think we also need
Speaker 18: to remind people of the fact that To Get Up
Speaker 18: is still under investigation after the stunt that they performed
Speaker 18: at Pauline Hanson's National Press Club address the Australian. The
Speaker 18: latest reports that we've gotten are that act Police are
Speaker 18: still investigating this. And this is an organization that has
Speaker 18: an enormous war chest that is really targeting these one
Speaker 18: nation seats because it recognizes that it's a threat. It's
Speaker 18: a hack organization that has links to characters like David
Speaker 18: Shiraz and people who are ultimately doing everything that they
Speaker 18: can to disrupt everything going on in politics. And it's
Speaker 18: not effective. By the way, It's just anarchy.
Speaker 3: I have to leave it there. We're getting ready.
Speaker 2: Everyone's settling in for a terrific documentary from my colleague
Speaker 2: Chris Kenny. It will be up with everyone shortly. Thank
Speaker 2: you to you both. That's it for me tonight. As
Speaker 2: I say, fantastic work by Chris and his team sit
Speaker 2: back and enjoy.
Speaker 3: This is the fight for the right