WEBVTT - Credlin | 25 August 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:05.720 Peter Gudlin live from year twenty four. 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:11.000 Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up tonight. 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:14.320 Just as we're going to air Labor MP the Member 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:17.040 of Solomon that's up in Darwin, Luke Gosling, the one 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:19.800 the Prime Minister standing by in his role as Special 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:23.400 Envoy four Defense. He's been charged with a breach of 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.239 his bail conditions. I'll get you an update from the 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:29.280 NT from our man Matt Cunningham in just a moment. 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.840 Labour's carbon tax by stealth. A damning report says it'll 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:35.640 increase cost fivefold and all that's. 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:36.360 Passed on to you. 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:39.600 At the same time, we've got data centers adding forty 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.680 percent to Australia's electricity grid demand and it's all going 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:47.440 to collide under the watch of Chris Bowen. God help 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.680 us all ap plus more loyalty questions tonight for One 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:54.920 Nation's rookie MP David Farley, and the momentum building for 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:58.320 One Nation at the crucial secret Harbord by election on 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:02.720 the weekend and hasty accusing the Liberals of running dead. 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.200 It leads Conservative Prime Minister Georgia Maloney blunt advice for 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.560 the Tory leader Keemy bad knock across to London where 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:11.880 the Tory leaders being urged not to do a deal 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.800 with Nigel Farage and the Victorian Premier Ben Carol out 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:19.800 this morning promising to scale back the suburban rail loop. 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.720 It can he save the billions that even party insiders 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:25.240 are convinced. 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:28.039 This is a dog of a project that the previous 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:34.560 leadership committed labor to. It's totally sabotaged the budget going forward, 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:37.440 and I would hope that they're able to do a 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:41.200 lot more than just two billions in savings. 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:43.720 Dog of a project. 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:45.960 That's a truth bomb, isn't it? From Stephen Conroy there. 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.760 But first let's see if you can square this circle 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:52.240 for me, because right now Energy Minister Chris Bowen cannot. 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:56.200 Australia has targets to reduce emissions that we are never 0:01:56.400 --> 0:02:00.440 going to meet, despite throwing billions at foreign companies that 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:04.320 are ripping their way through our pristine wilderness, our coastline 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:09.240 and prime agricultural land with dodgy large scale renewables. 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:10.680 And that's before we. 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:14.519 Even factor in mammoth transmission lines that will be required 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:18.160 to take the electricity generated from those remote areas to 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:19.200 our urban. 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.160 Cities where it will be consumed. 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:25.440 Just look at the recent history in western Victoria where finally, 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:30.440 after two years of dogged campaigning by farmers and farming communities, 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.640 they look like they've won the war against the massive 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:37.639 V and I West project. Provided Labour loses the state election, 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.080 that would have destroyed so much of the state's best 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:46.240 agricultural land parieted. Of course, that this woman defeats Labour's 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:48.639 Ben Carroll in November. 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.920 It's clear that the Labour government has bulldozed over the 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.840 rights of farmers and property owners in that area and 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:58.880 there's no community license to see that project go ahead. 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.639 But it's also a project that first started off, as 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.040 you know, with an estimate of around two billion dollars. 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.919 Of course that's blown out to nearly twelve billion dollars. 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:08.520 Now what about those people. 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:10.520 I've spoken to plenty of them, you know, eighty year 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:17.760 old's farmers. Multiple communities have seen people find at big fines. 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:19.920 What happens to those fines, They're gone. 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.000 They will not continue under my leadership. I think it 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.800 is outrageous that we are seeing people being fined on 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:27.880 their own properties. 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:30.880 So all of this harmed to some of the best 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:34.080 land in our country and for what green power to 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.800 be used by green voters in the city. All the 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.640 while we end up having to import food from overseas 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.920 because our farmers walk off the land. In addition to 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:47.120 Bowen's emissions fantasy are his renewables targets that we will 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:50.520 also never meet, but Labour's prepared to send us broke 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.520 trying to get there. The recent bailout of time ago, 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:57.320 costing taxpayers two point five billion, is just the latest 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.880 waste of your money trying to keep the lights on 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.600 and heavy manufacturing in this country as the Elbanezy government 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:08.240 destroys base load power capacity. All up some seven billion 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:11.720 dollars has been handed out in subsidies to big international 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.400 companies that would walk if they didn't get the money 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:17.360 from Canberra. And why should they stay and pay through 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.039 the nose for power in Australia when they can head 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:23.799 offshore and get cheap electricity in China or India generated 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:28.000 through the burning of Australian coal and gas. Now, it 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.800 was it that long ago that a Labor Prime minister 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:35.800 said this there will be no carbon tax under the 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:40.159 government high lead when she bought it in any way 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.440 in a grubby deal with the Greens. It signed her 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:46.240 political death warrant because this van was elected in a 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.720 landslide promising to scrap it. 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.600 The carbon tax will be gone. 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:58.320 The butts, the boats will be stopped. 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:04.440 Well they did both in these scrap that carbon tax, certainly, 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.800 and yet here we are again yet another attempt by 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:11.520 Labor to put back in by stealth what you Australia 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:15.119 voted to scrap. Reports today confirming that if Chris Bowen 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:20.560 gets his way, manufacturing and resources will copy fivefold increase 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:25.160 in carbon compliance costs. That's a carbon tax by stealth. 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.400 That's what it amounts to, with every single dollar of 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:33.280 those costs passed on to consumers. This is only happening 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.599 because Labour's still holding fast to the Paris targets that 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.760 almost everyone else in the Western world has now walked 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:44.240 away from. At best, we one percent of the global problem. 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.200 But the clowns in Canberra insist on wrecking one hundred 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:51.520 percent of our economy to achieve virtually nothing in terms 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:56.840 of global temperature change. Then along times the curveball of 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:01.200 data centers. It's almost poetic and it's justice, isn't it. 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:05.240 All the warnings that have come from sensible energy types 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.080 and those like me who want Australia to retain a 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.640 strong economy and energy security. Now watch those on the 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:16.800 hard left twist and turn as data center aspirations collide 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:22.000 with the reality of running base load power out of existence. Well, sorry, 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.440 you turkeys, you can't have both, not unless you want 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:27.520 to bite the bullet and put nuclear power on the table. 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.839 According to reports today in the Age, the number of 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:34.479 Australian data centers indevelopment has doubled since twenty twenty five, 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:38.719 and their strain on the nation's power supply is expected 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.640 to accelerate even further over the next decade, with projections 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:47.120 at Data Center Pipeline that the Data center pipeline will 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:52.560 add some forty percent to national power usage. This is 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:58.200 where the great green fantasy collides with reality, let's hope. 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:04.800 So now, not many of you all know this, but 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:07.719 my little brother once played AFL, picked up in the 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:11.680 draft straight from school. I've got a close cousin too, 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.160 who was in the Richmond Team of the Century and 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.200 later in the coaching apparatus at a number of top 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.200 AFL clubs. I've got Uni mates who played, and I've 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:24.160 got the sons of mates now playing. But that doesn't 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:25.400 mean I know AFL. 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.280 I don't. I've never pulled on the boots. 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:30.800 But it does mean I have a little understanding of 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:35.680 how things work, particularly the big money making political machine 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:40.360 that is the AFL. Like almost everyone at the moment 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:42.560 with an opinion on the events at the Pullman Hotel 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.920 two weeks ago, I don't know what happened in that room. 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:46.640 I wasn't there. 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:51.240 To date, there have been no police charges, and investigations 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.960 continue that these men have a big win and then 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:58.520 go out to celebrate by dialing up exotic dances or 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:02.120 whatever they were. The early hours of the morning staggers 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:05.840 me all credit to the other players in the team 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.520 who had a beer and a shower and went to bed, because, 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.280 as Mum told me a long time ago, nothing good 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:15.400 happens after midnight, and rarely is that wrong. Where this 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.200 goes next will be a matter for both the police 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.240 and the club, but I want to say something in 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:25.760 relation to the AFL now. In addition to the allegations 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:30.240 of paul conduct by these players, are also consistent reports 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:34.920 that allegedly cocaine and ketamine was consumed in the hotel room. 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:39.320 Not only are these substances banned drugs in professional sport, 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:44.120 but they are also illicit drugs. So where is the 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:49.240 AFL and it's drug testing regime on this and where 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:53.720 are the police too, given that these drugs are against 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.559 the law. This was something put to the head of 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:58.640 the AFL Andrew Dillon yesterday. 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:01.160 Will you see. 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.440 That those matters at the moment are under the police investigation, 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.600 So the AFL won't be conducting any of its own 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.160 inquiries until after the police investigation's finished. 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:18.360 Okay, not testing them, it would seem. In his press conference, 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.760 Dilan made a big noise about banning them in for 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:24.880 attending the upcoming Brownlow Medal Awards night, saying that the 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:30.400 AFL would not invite them. But listen carefully, because they're 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:34.920 or not, Dylan says, they remain eligible. 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:37.720 The invitation to the brown lawill be going out this week. 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.160 Those players won't be invited. They are still eligible for 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.040 the Brand lad but they're under they're under a club 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.280 suspension which goes until the end of the season. 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.640 Okay, well, how does this work? How does any player 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:54.520 who allegedly uses drugs during the season not get tested, 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:59.240 not get investigated and still remain eligible for the league's 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.560 Best in fairest to After all, former essend and Great 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:06.959 Joe Watson lost his Brownlow after a suspension for using 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:11.520 peptides and they're not even an illicit drug unlike cocon ketamine. 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.400 But more than just being fair to everyone who plays 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:18.440 the sport and wants it to stay clean, what about 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:22.480 the billions waged each week on the AFL because gambling 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:27.559 far outstrips any profit at the turnstile for wagering on sport. 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.320 To be clean, the sport must be clean from drug use. 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.160 And the fact that the AFL won't give a straight 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:38.200 answer on the drug testing of those senior players when 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.920 there are multiple reports that illicit drugs were consumed, well, 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:47.240 that raises serious integrity issues with the game. These integrity flags, 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.760 they're not a responsibility for the club to answer. This 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.880 is squarely on the AFL. And while I'm at at, 0:10:55.480 --> 0:11:00.319 how about football administrators match their fine sounding words about 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.120 how women should be treated by male footballers in the 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:07.720 room at a hotel with how club administrators are treating 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:13.080 female players. Nowhere is it acceptable for female athletes to 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.800 be forced to take the field in a sporting match 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.120 and face biological men. 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.400 But that's the case in South Australia where. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.920 A man identifying as a woman weighing some ninety two 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.800 kilos and six foot two inches in height gets the 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:31.880 benefit of the doubt. Despite that is three clubs in 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:37.959 this female league lodging duty of care and safety complaints. Now, 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:43.320 for goodness sakes, AFL, be consistent. If you want players 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:46.559 to respect the women in the hotel room, how much 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.720 you give the women on the field the same respect 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:57.640 to We'll get our headlines now with cam Redden, but 0:11:57.720 --> 0:11:59.960 then we'll go to Darwin for the latest on Luke Goslin. 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:02.200 Is Cam good? 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.760 Evening the Productivity Commission is defending its call to overhaul 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:09.439 the GST, even though no federal leader is willing to listen. 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:13.200 Roger cooks of dismissing the Productivity Commission as clowns. 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:15.320 That is so disrespectful. 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.560 It found WA's share of the pie costs the other 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:22.280 state six billion dollars a year, or in other words, we. 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:24.600 Sort of quantify, it's around a four hundred and fifty 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:26.160 dollars a year tax cut. 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.720 And if we ask the Productivity Commission to do a report, 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:34.760 you shouldn't be surprised that an economically rationalist position pops out. 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:36.960 Why do we have the Productivity Commission if we don't 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.000 listen to them? 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.440 Well, the Productivity Commission needs to factus some productivity. There's 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:46.040 yet more confusion around one nation's migration policy. 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:46.960 At the weekend. 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.640 Its newest MP had to be dragged into line after 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.560 claiming its migration target would be two hundred and thirty 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:55.079 thousand people a year, when paul A ene Hansen says 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:57.960 it would be one hundred and thirty thousand. But News 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.640 twenty four has revealed that as recently as last year, 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:04.240 her own senators were arguing that target should be zero. 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:08.880 In November, Sean Bell told the Parliament we've proposed a 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:12.600 net zero pause for five years. Well a month prior, 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:14.520 Malcolm Roberts promised. 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:19.960 We will implement net negative migration Net negative migration. 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:25.400 Cameron Reddin, News twenty four, Canberra, All right. 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:26.360 Let's go to that newsdown. 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.360 Not long out of the NT Labor MP for Solomon 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:33.520 Luke Gosley charged with two counts of assault already has 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:37.080 now been charged by the NT Police with breach of bail, 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:39.760 Matt Canningham and misjoining us. Now with the details, Matt, 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.760 what can you tell us, Well. 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:47.040 My understanding, Peter is that this latest charge relates to 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:52.600 Luke Gosling's attendance at the Test cricket on the fourteenth 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.640 of August. So, as you were saying, he has been 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.360 charged with those two counts of allegedly assaulting the Northern 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:03.040 Territories Administrator David Connolly. The day after he was charged, 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.720 he actually applied in the Darwin Local Court to have 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:11.720 his bail conditions altered so he could attend official functions. 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:16.280 The judge agreed to alter those conditions but put strict 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:20.040 conditions on his attendant. So those conditions included that he 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.320 had to give at least forty eight hours notice or 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.080 he's office did to mister Connolly's office if he was 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:28.280 going to an attended event where they were both likely 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:31.480 to be invited or were both going to attend, and 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:35.680 he wasn't allowed to come within fifteen meters of mister 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:38.800 Connolly at such an event. So the police have released 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:42.480 this statement saying that on the fourteenth of August, which 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.000 was the second day of the Test match that was 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.840 held here in Darwin between Australia and Bangladesh. That is 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:52.960 the date that mister Gosling is alleged to have breached 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.400 his bail and he has been charged now with one 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:59.080 count breach of bail. I was at the cricket on 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:02.600 that day. I saw Connolly at the cricket in the 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:06.440 corporate hospitality area on the fourteenth of August. Mister Gosling 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:10.320 subsequently posted pictures of himself at the cricket in the 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.080 main grandstand on that day. I don't know if they 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.200 came within fifteen meters of one another. I don't know 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:18.560 the exact nature of the charge, but police have confirmed 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.480 there is that one charge of breach of bail. I 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.720 have contacted mister Gosling's office and I'm waiting for further 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.760 comment from them, But at this stage he is due 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.840 to appear in the Darwin Local Court on the thirtieth 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:33.920 of September, where he will now be facing those three charges, 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.960 two of allegedly assaulting the administrator, David Connolly, and one 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.880 for allegedly breaching his bail conditions. This will only put 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.160 more pressure on the Prime Minister Peter to strip him 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:48.240 of those titles as Special Envoid for Defense Veterans Affairs 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.440 in Northern Australia. We know when Andrew Clenell, our colleague, 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.120 asked Mark Butler, the Health Minister, about it at the time, 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.160 he said that basically lou Gosling was just a backbencher 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:00.320 and these roles had no official power. But I think 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.840 there'll be more questions asked tomorrow about whether mister Gosling 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:05.320 is going to stay in those roles. 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.120 A breach of bal of course, can mean your bail 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:13.160 is withdrawn and you're put into Remand what was that 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:14.920 date again, you said when there was the hearing. 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:19.520 The next hearing, it's the thirtieth of September, so it's 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.840 about five weeks away. He was at first due to 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.320 appear in court on the first of September. That date 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.840 was vacated at his last bail hearing when he made 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:30.160 this application, So the thirtieth of September is when this 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:31.080 goes back. 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:31.600 Before the court. 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:35.200 But you're right there, of course is the possibility that 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.520 if the judge believes that a serious breach has occurred, 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:43.600 he could revoke Luke Gosling's bail. We will find out 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:45.880 more about that, of course, when it returns to court 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:47.200 on September third. 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.960 Matt, thank you your stove across that I know. Let's 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.720 bring in our poltical editor Andrew Clenell before we get 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:57.040 to other things. Andrew, I want to get your reaction, 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:00.160 but I mean, surely the PM can't stand behind this 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.720 bloke anymore. Is going to be stood down from any role. 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.399 Of course he does, but let's see if Albanez he 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.679 does it. Let's see if he does it because he 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:10.560 doesn't like giving a scalp no matter what. The guy 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.960 has been criminally charged, give us a break anyway. This 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.080 was Health Minister Mark Butler on Sunday Agenda Luke Gosling. 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.400 He was talking about him. Matt Cunningham just mentioned this interview. 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.119 Then he was saying, if Luke Gosling was a minister, 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:25.399 he would have to step aside. 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.760 So explain that one to me. When he's a special envoy. 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.439 Well, it's important to remember what the job of special 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:35.640 envoy is. It's not a ministerial position. It doesn't have 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:41.600 any executive authority, any ability to make decisions that impact Australians. 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.560 Of course, as you know, if he were a minister, 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.320 he would be required to stand aside, but the special 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.160 envoy is a very different position. 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.040 We've got seven special envoys. Why do we have them 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:54.920 then well, this. 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.080 Is it's just a boondoggle because they can't get a 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:01.439 front bench big enough with their parliamentary majority of you 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:03.639 and I know that's to give him a handle up there. 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:07.000 He's been in that seat for ten years. His constituents 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.479 must say, mate, you're not going anywhere. You haven't been 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:11.320 put on the front bench. He can say, oh, well 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.600 I have in a sort of way. I'm a special envoy. 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:15.800 But I mean, i'll tell you what. When you were 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:17.120 facing criminal. 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:21.120 Charges and then we were now charged with disregarding the law, 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.639 a breach of bail, that's the charge from police. I 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:26.600 think that's pretty bloody serious. And I think the Prime 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.520 Minister I think he loses a lot of bark here 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:28.720 on this. 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:29.159 Andrew. 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:34.639 I think the constant refusal to act with integrity to 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:38.119 police his team. I think Austrains are getting a bit 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:38.560 sick of it. 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.159 Well, if he keeps doing it, it will suffer politically for it. 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.080 That's all all said Peter. So it's a choice for 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:43.800 the Prime minister. 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.000 All right, let's go to one nation because I think 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:50.560 they're all over the shop. I'll get to David Farley 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:53.480 in a moment, but just the lack of clarity. You 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:58.720 saw Cam's package there. You know, different senators making different 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:02.679 points in relation to net negative migration. Is it the 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.600 one point thirty? Is it a non as a file 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:09.480 they said on the weekend close to Labour's numbers. You 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:13.119 know they have a big trust value when it comes 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:13.959 to migration. 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:17.080 Is this eroding that trust. 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:20.639 People paying attention to it? That's the question. 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:24.280 Obviously it should and if we're in an election campaign 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:28.119 it would, but we're not, so Really, I just wonder 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:31.639 how much it's being noticed by people. But I guess 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:36.760 it shows sort of an issue, an underlying issue that 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:40.680 they can't stay coordinated in the way that a proper 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:44.879 major political party of government can can't stay coordinated on 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.240 policy or message. So that's going to be a big 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:50.720 challenge going forward unless they improve how they're going. 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:56.640 For my view, I think the punters out there are 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:59.080 not picking this up. They're not particularly interested, and I 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.800 think that is so far in front on the issue 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.760 of migration that there's a discount factor that people will 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.119 let them get away with. But I think it says 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:11.199 to me, and I think it says to you that 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:16.280 the policy back in now, the coordination the messaging as 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:19.119 they get bigger, as they have more big voices. And 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:21.960 it's not just Pauline's voice in daylight. I mean there's 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:24.280 a lot of big voices in that tent. Now, that's 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:26.520 the problem they're having, and it's whether they can get 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:28.199 through these teething problems or not. 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:30.800 Yeah. 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:37.800 Absolutely, I mean that Chris Kenny revelation tonight, which has 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:40.600 been around in publications like The Guardian, but I hadn't 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:44.560 seen Peter, I must admit, which I ran on my show, 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:49.040 that Pauline Hansen can is the sole arbiter of who 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.720 becomes the next leader. I find quite extraordinary and I'd 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:54.720 certainly be making hay of this if I were the 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:58.440 opponents of One Nation, because that's not how a political 0:20:58.480 --> 0:20:59.920 party operates in a democracy. 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:01.720 But there it is, in black and white in the 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:02.919 one nation constitution. 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:06.920 She decides who succeeds her, not only vote of the 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:09.800 executive of the party, of the caucus within the Parliament 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:14.520 of the party of branch members as such Pauline has 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:16.640 to say so that means Lee Hanson if she gets 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:19.439 in the parliament, maybe even if she doesn't. 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:22.160 Well that's a redheaded monarchy. Sure. 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:24.560 But if that's what the members are happy with, and 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:27.280 look at her membership numbers, and membership numbers are sorry. 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:31.119 That's what members Well, I don't know that that's true. 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:32.920 I don't know that that's true. 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:35.080 We'll see what happens with the fallout of the documentary 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:38.480 later on tonight. Just quickly, that story about David Farley. 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:41.920 Accidentally we're told walking into a Liberal Party room meeting 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:45.119 in Canberra and said, oh do Liberal Party meeting? I 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:47.720 could see myself sitting in here. Do you think he's 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:52.000 going to do you think he's someone who is going 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.120 to be a risk to leave one nation? 0:21:55.640 --> 0:22:01.119 Well, it's It's called flirting, isn't it, Peter, I think. 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:01.760 Do you think he's flirting? Now? 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:05.320 Yeah, I think he's I mean I had to call 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:08.880 a short time ago from political source has often been accurate, 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:13.200 but I'm not necessarily saying this is true, suggesting that 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:16.680 David Farley has now made a number of statements about 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:21.400 we need more migrants, is willing to martyr himself over 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.480 that and leave the party and perhaps become an independent 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:26.400 or something else by the end of the year. Now, 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:28.040 I don't know if that's true or not, but I 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:33.199 showed on my show. Darren de Botoli, who's a winemaker 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:36.879