Speaker 1: Oh good a tenants of bloody you project. It's bloody Patrick,
Speaker 1: bloody Tiff, bloody Harps. It's Friday afternoon, Thursday afternoon. I
Speaker 1: should say this is something of a recording anomaly. Wh're
Speaker 1: normally Friday am for this little episode, so I don't
Speaker 1: know how our brain's working. At five p emish on
Speaker 1: a Thursday. Tiff just swanned in from somewhere. We'll find
Speaker 1: out Patrick's drinking either cam Butcher or com Butcher. He's
Speaker 1: already been corrected by Tiff, Like first sentence out of
Speaker 1: her mouth was a correction, not hollow. It was just
Speaker 1: correcting him on his pronunciation. How's your cam Butcher? Patrick?
Speaker 1: Like coom Butcher?
Speaker 2: Because I'm scared more scared of Tiff than you Apple
Speaker 2: and lime kom Butcher is bloody great. I can still
Speaker 2: microbiomes doing what they do with my tummy?
Speaker 1: Are you do you take much notice of the whole
Speaker 1: gup by ome thing? And are you proactively trying to
Speaker 1: make yours healthier? Or do you just know the word?
Speaker 1: I just know the word, you just know the word?
Speaker 2: The other reason I bought it? Can I can I
Speaker 2: admit why I bought it? So I normally I go
Speaker 2: shopping on a Wednesday after I've finished my tai chi class.
Speaker 2: I teach tai chi, but I deliberately do an early
Speaker 2: class and then I've got an hour to shop. I
Speaker 2: go to Aldi, I go to Cohl's. But because we're
Speaker 2: in the middle of the holidays, can.
Speaker 1: I just say, Chips laughing hysterically with her face in
Speaker 1: her hands, I don't know what do you laughing at?
Speaker 3: Quick fact that who else would have a whole story
Speaker 3: around the breezeon of drinking a butcher?
Speaker 1: Well, if anyone can turn a thirty second anecdote into
Speaker 1: a five minute fucking monologue, you know it's not you
Speaker 1: or me.
Speaker 3: I'm on the edge in my seat though, please continue past.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what. The listeners are definitely not
Speaker 1: turning this off because this is not boring at all.
Speaker 2: So if I'll finish off the story, because I just
Speaker 2: have to. Now, when I shop online, I hit two buttons.
Speaker 2: I hit vegan, and then I hit on special, then
Speaker 2: my algments. That's the filter that I use first.
Speaker 1: And then I look for other stuff and then comes
Speaker 1: up mung beans and a banana, and he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: I think I'll go the banana this week.
Speaker 2: And pineapple and lime com Butcher for two for one.
Speaker 2: That's why I bought it. I don't normally say and
Speaker 2: answer your question, Grego, I don't do anything for my
Speaker 2: gut biome except if it happens to be on special
Speaker 2: once every term.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you have a pretty good diet, which
Speaker 1: is doing something for your gut biome. Tip for you,
Speaker 1: very I mean, I've never been, but I am. We
Speaker 1: all know I am now because I've just got myself
Speaker 1: there right in front of me, triple strength probiotics with
Speaker 1: ninety six billion cfu per capture whatever that means. And
Speaker 1: I got to say, I'm going to say my poo's
Speaker 1: a world class, world class since I've got on the
Speaker 1: probiotic training. Do you do you think about that a bit? Well, now,
Speaker 1: I mean I've cleared that up for everyone.
Speaker 2: Do you mean anybody else's podcasting segments? Because it always
Speaker 2: comes up in mind.
Speaker 1: I don't know why everyone's I don't know why everyone's
Speaker 1: so fucking offended by something that everyone on the planet does,
Speaker 1: which is shit.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not offended by it, but surely we can
Speaker 2: think of something else to thought about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can Butcher bottles and on special. And there's two buttons.
Speaker 1: I hit the vegan and the on special. I reckon,
Speaker 1: my poor story's got that covered. So just saying, I
Speaker 1: wonder if our one remaining listener wants to hear What's next? Tiff?
Speaker 1: How are you, Tiff? What have you been doing?
Speaker 3: I'm good. I just had some clients the Savo and
Speaker 3: scurried home in a hurry so I could make this
Speaker 3: because I didn't want to miss out on the trio.
Speaker 1: How many clients do you like to do? Now? If
Speaker 1: you're wondering what Tiff does, she's among other things, she
Speaker 1: trains a few people in the gym. What's your ideal
Speaker 1: number of Not too many? Not too few? And I
Speaker 1: know you don't do them every day, but like three
Speaker 1: a day, two a day, four a day.
Speaker 3: I've actually recently structured it so that I've got two
Speaker 3: big days and then on the other there's a couple
Speaker 3: of days where I just do a couple I don't
Speaker 3: often do afternoons. I've got two groups that I do
Speaker 3: on an afternoon together two times a week, and the
Speaker 3: rest of morning sessions.
Speaker 2: Some day is my big day.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I can have up to six or seven on
Speaker 3: a Sunday, which is a big day, all back to back,
Speaker 3: because now I've managed my energy and I've managed a
Speaker 3: bit of downtime a bit better with that, whereas it
Speaker 3: used to be kind of four people and I'm out
Speaker 3: of there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what's good about having your own business,
Speaker 1: like you and me and Patrick for that point, is
Speaker 1: that you don't do the same thing all the time.
Speaker 1: It's like if I came to you and I went, hey,
Speaker 1: I've got fifteen school kids that I want trained three
Speaker 1: times a week at sekurta foreshore, could you do that?
Speaker 1: And you could go, sure, here's how it would work,
Speaker 1: here's how much it would like. It's not like you
Speaker 1: only do the same thing the same way. So when
Speaker 1: companies come to me and they go, what do you do?
Speaker 1: I go, I can do anything from a thirty minute
Speaker 1: keynote to a three day living program, and we can
Speaker 1: literally talk about anything from leadership and culture and high
Speaker 1: performance to know metacognition and theory of mind and why
Speaker 1: the boss is a prick. You know. It's like it's just,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to go and hop in
Speaker 1: this cookie cutter kind of you know thing where you
Speaker 1: do the same thing. I love that kind of freedom
Speaker 1: and that creativity to be able to to a point,
Speaker 1: make stuff up, make your job up. What do you
Speaker 1: want me to talk on? Like I had to talk
Speaker 1: not today, I was going to say today yesterday with
Speaker 1: a company and you know, like with a lot of companies,
Speaker 1: they don't exactly know what they want, Like they want
Speaker 1: you to talk at their conference, or to do a workshop,
Speaker 1: or to come in and do some coaching or consulting.
Speaker 1: But then you get on a call and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: exactly what do you want me to do and talk about?
Speaker 1: They're like, ah, not exactly sure, but these are the
Speaker 1: problems we've got. And then you can go, oh what
Speaker 1: about this and they go, yeah, let's do that. What
Speaker 1: about that? They're like, oh, that would be good too.
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of I think that's the beauty
Speaker 1: of it, and saying with Hugh Patrick in your work
Speaker 1: where you kind of it's pretty diverse.
Speaker 2: Well, I just got asked this week to be the
Speaker 2: compare for a year half hoedown fundraiser for our farmers. Wow,
Speaker 2: I know nothing about boots scooting. I'm going to have
Speaker 2: to do some serious reasons.
Speaker 3: I used to do a bit of line dancing. When
Speaker 3: we kid with my mom, I had the greatest boots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a good thing. Yeah, Drongo and the Crow,
Speaker 2: the Darling's Family Trust, Renegade Bootscooter's Duo Deluxe. That's whose headline.
Speaker 1: That's fucking great. I'm coming. I'm definitely coming to that.
Speaker 1: And I want to see you in cowboy boots and
Speaker 1: a hat, trying not to be gay up the front,
Speaker 1: trying to look like a cowboy.
Speaker 2: And the other gig that I landed today was a
Speaker 2: website for a male is squat.
Speaker 1: Hang on? Oh for a male escort?
Speaker 2: Yeah, to do a website for a male CampaignOn, so
Speaker 2: you can.
Speaker 1: Do it obviously doing a contrary with him.
Speaker 2: No, No, it's a male to female an.
Speaker 1: Did you just say the same thing.
Speaker 2: She did? Thanks, guys.
Speaker 1: Wow, did you go? Yeah, that'll be cash chack or
Speaker 1: cash check or Nature's credit card katching. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think we might end up doing a photo shoot
Speaker 2: for him as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course you will. He's like, I don't have
Speaker 1: the money for that. That's all right, it's free, come over. Wow.
Speaker 1: And then he's like, but why are you also nude?
Speaker 1: Oh that's just it's just how I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: a thing. Shwe By the way, did I tell you
Speaker 1: I teach ty g.
Speaker 2: It's de rated? We only host g rated websites on
Speaker 2: our server.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you though? We know? How how did this
Speaker 1: particular escort? I was reaching for the right word. How
Speaker 1: did he? How did he find you?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: You know how he found me? His accountant listens to
Speaker 2: the podcast.
Speaker 1: Oh that is so good.
Speaker 2: It's yp that's how he found me.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, I'm glad that we're building your career. Here
Speaker 1: you go, has that? I don't. Oh, I've got so
Speaker 1: many questions about male escorts that are probably not appropriate
Speaker 1: for now. Don't don't mail escort some males cord Firstly,
Speaker 1: is it legal?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Is it legal? Right? Well, I guess you can't have
Speaker 1: a website if it's illegal, can you.
Speaker 2: Yeah? It's competitive service? Okay, it's a campaign, is it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is it you just go out to dinner? It could be.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be a physically romantic encounter. It
Speaker 2: could just be a you know, above the shoulders, high
Speaker 2: brow interaction with someone you want.
Speaker 1: To Yeah, I can imagine it'd be like a mensa
Speaker 1: meeting with a salad and a hand job. What Sorry?
Speaker 1: Cut that out?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: No? Talk up? Hello? What did you say? I said? Salad,
Speaker 1: solid crago. We're off to a flying start. No different
Speaker 1: to every fucking week. You know most people listen to
Speaker 1: this this bit and then jump out when the text
Speaker 1: starts like fuck that boring tech talk.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know you know how you said. We've probably
Speaker 2: down to one listener. I can tell you who it is.
Speaker 1: Who is it?
Speaker 2: It's Jane. So I've got a message from Jane after
Speaker 2: our last podcast, who is a big fan of typ
Speaker 2: and she had a request for something that we could
Speaker 2: talk about.
Speaker 1: And what is that? Sorry? I was swinging on what
Speaker 1: I have. Firstly, shout out to Jane. Hi, Jane, thanks
Speaker 1: for being our one listener. What does Jane want you
Speaker 1: to talk about?
Speaker 2: He want us to talk about deep fakes and we
Speaker 2: kind of have touched on this a few times and
Speaker 2: it is kind of a really important one, I guess,
Speaker 2: to get our heads around. Jane also happens to listen
Speaker 2: to ABC podcasts and I listened to the same podcast
Speaker 2: called Ladies We Need to Talk, and I kind of
Speaker 2: felt like I was in an impost a little bit,
Speaker 2: because if it's a podcast by women for women, I've
Speaker 2: felt they kind of should I be listening to this?
Speaker 2: But it was an amazingly good podcast, and I know
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be promoting other podcasts.
Speaker 1: Well, you can promote whatever. So is that an actual
Speaker 1: podcast or is that an episode.
Speaker 2: That's Ladies want.
Speaker 1: To Ladies, we need to talk.
Speaker 2: It's really good actually, But so the question was and
Speaker 2: I thought it was a really great question, and that
Speaker 2: is she wanted to hear our take on the prevalence
Speaker 2: of deep fakes and you know, is it just for
Speaker 2: the porn industry and how disturbing do we think that
Speaker 2: it is? And look, one of the stats that came
Speaker 2: out that just blew my mind was that ninety six
Speaker 2: percent of deep fakes are pornographic. So keeping in mind
Speaker 2: that deep fakes can be used for political reasons to
Speaker 2: try to sway people, to mislead people, but the high
Speaker 2: percentage of ninety six is that deep fakes are pornographic.
Speaker 2: And this is the thing that is so disturbing is
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of deep fake videos and photos are
Speaker 2: of women. Yeah, and in looking for and the interesting
Speaker 2: thing that came out of that was that a lot
Speaker 2: of the methods that people use, so the AI tools,
Speaker 2: whether it's putting a person's face onto an existing pornographic video.
Speaker 2: But the majority of all of that is geared up.
Speaker 2: For the stock imagery is female, not male, because industry
Speaker 2: is geared up and predominantly it is men wanting to,
Speaker 2: you know, superimpose a woman's face and whatever they're using
Speaker 2: it for. There's a whole lot of websites out there
Speaker 2: that obviously promote this sort of thing. They have celebrities,
Speaker 2: but some of it can be quite malicious. And I
Speaker 2: was looking at some recent court cases and there was
Speaker 2: a guy that the biggest court case in Australian history
Speaker 2: so far is recent and a guy by the name
Speaker 2: of Antonio Rotondo. He deep fake basically used prominent women
Speaker 2: and used deep fake to create pornographic material. He was
Speaker 2: fined three hundred and forty three thousand dollars by the
Speaker 2: Federal Court after being caught uploading and not removing non
Speaker 2: consensual deep fake sexual images. And these are Australian women.
Speaker 2: So this was a really a breached fourteen under the
Speaker 2: Online Safety Act fourteen instances of the Online Safety Act.
Speaker 2: So it's in the reach of average, everyday people. And
Speaker 2: that's the thing, you know, he'd already previously been fined
Speaker 2: twenty five thousand dollars. That didn't stop him ian twenty
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars didn't stop him from doing it, So
Speaker 2: he may have been getting money out of this. He
Speaker 2: may have been publishing and people subscribed to the site.
Speaker 2: So I'm not entirely sure. I didn't follow the case
Speaker 2: per se, but you know, it's a pretty staggering one.
Speaker 2: And do you remember and this has came close to
Speaker 2: home because last year there was some boys at a
Speaker 2: local grammar school in back of Smash that were caught
Speaker 2: and what they've been doing is taking AI generated new
Speaker 2: images of about fifty other female students at their school,
Speaker 2: and then they were sharing it amongst themselves and one
Speaker 2: of the boys was actually charged.
Speaker 1: But can we just clear up they weren't images of
Speaker 1: the girls were They were girl's head imposed on existing nude.
Speaker 2: Bodies exactly, That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't the actual girl's bodies, but it was
Speaker 1: it was also fakes where they'd put the girl's heads on.
Speaker 1: And I think just explain to people that because like
Speaker 1: so deep correct me if I'm wrong, but a deep
Speaker 1: fake is essentially using an image putting someone's real face,
Speaker 1: like my face on some other dude's nude body or
Speaker 1: something like that, and then you then representing as that
Speaker 1: as though it's real. This is really Craig up A
Speaker 1: wearing nothing or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: Right, it could be face, it could be voice. Remember
Speaker 2: you know that's classified as a deep fake as well,
Speaker 2: putting a person's voice and using that. And you've heard
Speaker 2: you know the sk now where people call and misrepresent.
Speaker 2: So you know, you might have a grandchild who's backpacking
Speaker 2: through the UK and they're posting on social media and
Speaker 2: they've got a video that has them talking. Well, potentially
Speaker 2: a scammer could sample that and then call their family
Speaker 2: and say, look, I've run out of money. Something's happened.
Speaker 2: I've lost all my luggage. And these are things that
Speaker 2: are happening right now. You know, there was a CEO
Speaker 2: or a CFO of a company who you know deep
Speaker 2: you know, people use deep fake to scam and try
Speaker 2: to get him to call through and change some bank
Speaker 2: accounts over you know, put money into to transfer money
Speaker 2: into another bank account. So there's lots of instances of
Speaker 2: this happening, and even here in Australia as well.
Speaker 1: I got an email a few years ago from some
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever going, We've got video footage of
Speaker 1: you watching porn and how can pleasuring yourself? We're going
Speaker 1: to share it. I'm like, share away. How good's that you?
Speaker 1: And they're like, ah, I'm like it's like it's going.
Speaker 2: My answer that would have been can we monetize this
Speaker 2: and let's go fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they're like if you send us this or
Speaker 1: if I'm like really, it's but I think that this,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just one you know, version of
Speaker 1: or one of the myriad of potential consequences and variables of,
Speaker 1: you know, artificial intelligence and all the stuff that we've
Speaker 1: got to deal with. And I was listening to Rogan
Speaker 1: yesterday and who was talking about if you get a
Speaker 1: chance to see it, it's it's ridiculous. So fifty cent,
Speaker 1: of course, for our older listeners, fifty cent as a rapper.
Speaker 1: He's an artist, and they took one of his songs
Speaker 1: and they turned it into this nineteen fifty sixties bluesy
Speaker 1: kind of song where this guy was singing this cool
Speaker 1: dude all Ai general and it was unbelievably good, and
Speaker 1: it was just using these rap lyrics turned into this
Speaker 1: kind of very very cool fifties style jazz kind of
Speaker 1: blues kind of song and video clip and it was
Speaker 1: it looked absolutely real. And the problem is not only
Speaker 1: did it look real, it was great. Even Rogan's like,
Speaker 1: I love this and it's fake and this is going
Speaker 1: to be I mean, moving forward with creatives and artists,
Speaker 1: whether that's rights or singers or musicians or you know whatever,
Speaker 1: there's going to be so much stuff that's produced that
Speaker 1: like it or not, is going to be good, like
Speaker 1: as in, that's going to be doing people out of
Speaker 1: I guess their income or their job in a way.
Speaker 1: But what do you do about that? Though? If they're
Speaker 1: producing music AI, that's phenomenal to listen to. What do
Speaker 1: you do?
Speaker 2: I think as long as there's a disclaimer on there
Speaker 2: and they're not trying to be was it Millie Vanilli?
Speaker 2: Remember Millie Vanilli?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, too young for that. Milli Vanilli was this
Speaker 1: two person group who rose to fame I'm going to
Speaker 1: say in the nineties tiff and they were super cool.
Speaker 1: Everyone loved them and they just like for about I
Speaker 1: was going to say five minutes, but probably a year
Speaker 1: or two they were massive, and then everyone then then
Speaker 1: we found out I don't know, just not long after
Speaker 1: they lip synced everything and they didn't sing anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just these two super cool dudes who couldn't sing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think they tried to do a live concert and
Speaker 2: it backfired on them. So they were trying to lip
Speaker 2: sync during a life God, yeah, I think is what happened. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But you know, the other thing that's worth keeping in
Speaker 2: mind in terms of deep fake is it's been used
Speaker 2: in films. It's a positive effect. You know, Harrison Ford
Speaker 2: was deep faked so that in one of the last
Speaker 2: Indiana Jones movies they could have a flashback to when
Speaker 2: he was younger. So there's lots of you know, and
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think, who is the coastar in Top
Speaker 2: Gun Bell Kilmer? So Bell Kilmer had a terrible illness
Speaker 2: where he lost his voice, but he acted in a
Speaker 2: movie and they deep faked his voice so that he
Speaker 2: could still continue to act. So there's lots of instances
Speaker 2: where you can use deep fake. And I know a
Speaker 2: couple of episodes ago. I think it's a Scandinavian film
Speaker 2: about an alien abduction where the cast wrote performed in
Speaker 2: their native tongue, and then they re voiced all of
Speaker 2: the parts in English, but rather than reacting it, they
Speaker 2: just did the voices and then the lips were made
Speaker 2: to move with the English movements by using deep fake.
Speaker 2: They watched it because I've been I just rewatched the
Speaker 2: series that I really liked on Netflix called Young Royals,
Speaker 2: and the cast re recorded the whole thing in English,
Speaker 2: which is so much better than getting just a random
Speaker 2: actor to voice the character. But they didn't dub. Obviously,
Speaker 2: the lips are still speaking, you know, in the foreign tongue,
Speaker 2: and it would have been great if they could lip
Speaker 2: sync it because it looked even better. But those sorts
Speaker 2: of things make a big difference. And that's where it's
Speaker 2: kind of been using it properly. Someone else recently, I
Speaker 2: can't remember, someone famous gave a talk and then they
Speaker 2: use deep fake to translate into about eight or nine
Speaker 2: different languages, so they didn't speak the other languages, but
Speaker 2: they were able to use it to be able to
Speaker 2: bring that message or whatever it was in multiple languages
Speaker 2: using deep fake as well.
Speaker 1: Isn't that just AI? It's not all deep like deep
Speaker 1: fake seems something dodgy, but It's like, isn't it just
Speaker 1: AI generated whatever? Isn't like CGI computer generated imagery? You know,
Speaker 1: when you're putting in scenes that weren't in there, isn't
Speaker 1: that the same? Now?
Speaker 2: AI, artificial intelligence is the method for doing it. So
Speaker 2: you're using AI tools and that's where it comes. So
Speaker 2: whether you're using AI tools as a scammer or a fraudster,
Speaker 2: or if it's a politician or trying to sway public opinion,
Speaker 2: it's just the tools that they're using.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is if we're say, for example,
Speaker 1: someone like I think Paul Walker. You know that actor
Speaker 1: Paul Walker. He passed away right through filming one of
Speaker 1: The Fast and the Furious. I could have this wrong,
Speaker 1: but I feel like they did a couple of scenes,
Speaker 1: you know, which was CGI because he'd passed away. So
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call that deep fake because we all know
Speaker 1: what's going on. Do you know what I mean anyway?
Speaker 2: Semantics, Yeah, the semantics the term deep fake. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: get what you're saying to me.
Speaker 1: That's associated with deception, whereas this is just like just
Speaker 1: you know, computer generated stuff that make something better.
Speaker 2: I guess if you d age an actor, it is
Speaker 2: a deep faking. The actor. It's not the real person.
Speaker 2: It's using a technique, whether it AI or advanced CGI,
Speaker 2: probably using some sort of AI. But it is effectively
Speaker 2: a deep The term is still deep fake. It's the
Speaker 2: kind of the umbrella term for whom you led an
Speaker 2: image to be different than what it was by superimposing
Speaker 2: or making them younger, or putting another face on another person.
Speaker 2: So effectively, that is deep fake.
Speaker 1: So Tiff, you and I are deep faking right now
Speaker 1: because we've got filters on our things. I don't know,
Speaker 1: do I have a filter. I don't think I do.
Speaker 1: Everybody who uses a filter on zoom's deep faking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is not more a real mustache.
Speaker 2: You look good with that though. The top hat was fantastic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. I wish you'd shave your hairy
Speaker 1: shoulders though. Yeah, Patrick, tell us, I don't know. Let's
Speaker 1: tell us about reusable water bottles that are a breeding
Speaker 1: ground for horrible things.
Speaker 2: Is that what you're drinking out of now?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, but I'm doing that. I'm having lots of
Speaker 1: breeding ground activity for my gut biome. It's my Chinese
Speaker 1: doctor told me to well, my Chinese medicine doctor, I
Speaker 1: should say, who happens to be Chinese?
Speaker 2: Well, the market, the global market for reusable water bottles
Speaker 2: is valued at about ten billion dollars. Okay, so it's very, very,
Speaker 2: very big. But the question is is that every year,
Speaker 2: because if you've got a reusable bottle, you shouldn't be
Speaker 2: buying what every year? Should you? Anyway? Short of it
Speaker 2: is the problem that you have with that is some
Speaker 2: drink bottles have those pop up straws or they have
Speaker 2: a narrow opening and it's plastic and be a breeding ground.
Speaker 2: And I've read reports where they say you should clean
Speaker 2: your water bottle every day, every single day. You should
Speaker 2: wash it out and clean it, sterilize it like hot water,
Speaker 2: and clean it properly. But yeah, so basically there's been
Speaker 2: studies done specifically looking at people who are using water
Speaker 2: bottles on a daily basis and how often, so that
Speaker 2: the researchers were saying, well, how clean are the bottles
Speaker 2: that people are using on a daily basis. We know
Speaker 2: we're trying to do the right thing, not waste plastics,
Speaker 2: and so we're trying to do the right thing, But
Speaker 2: is that a good thing from our perspective? Because you know,
Speaker 2: most people, well not most people, but there's a chance
Speaker 2: that you might have fecal bacteria on your hands that
Speaker 2: you flip the lid on it, and certainly you've passed
Speaker 2: that on to the straw. Sorry, tiff TIFFs start having
Speaker 2: dinner tonight.
Speaker 4: Sorry, but I mean the funny thing is, though, right,
Speaker 4: we all, I mean you would be we would all
Speaker 4: be surprised how many people, like we go fecal bacteria.
Speaker 1: Okay, so probably everyone has a bit of that on
Speaker 1: them somewhere. It's like, but people think, oh no, that's
Speaker 1: it's like, well, no. We were talking to doctor Bill,
Speaker 1: doctor Bill Sullivan who you probably don't know, Patrick, but
Speaker 1: he comes on the show from Indiana State University, is
Speaker 1: like professor of micro biology or something, and he was
Speaker 1: talking about one of the reasons people get so sick
Speaker 1: is because our environment is so sanitized. He's like, we
Speaker 1: need dirt, we need germs.
Speaker 3: Like we need on your water bottle, Patrick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need back. Exactly, have a little bit of
Speaker 1: kaka in your cam Butcher. It's probably kaka in your
Speaker 1: cam Butcher anyway, Patrick, it's probably twelve percent kaka, which
Speaker 1: is why it's so good for your gut. You don't
Speaker 1: need to do the old poop pills up the old date.
Speaker 1: You can just do that. I mean that is literally
Speaker 1: a medical yeah, but I just think that we, you know,
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, we just worried, you know, for
Speaker 1: us living in first world luxury. Oh, for God's sake,
Speaker 1: stop being so no pun intended, but anal it's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, just you know, we don't have to
Speaker 1: be wiping and sanitizing everything, and not only that, where
Speaker 1: we fuck up our immune system because we have no
Speaker 1: exposure to some of the bacteria we should. But then
Speaker 1: on top of that you layer the anxiety that people
Speaker 1: have about this ship, which makes them even worse. So
Speaker 1: now we've got mental health issues around everything being fucking sanitized,
Speaker 1: and that makes people sick too. You know what, for
Speaker 1: the last timeline of humanity, we have not done all
Speaker 1: the things that we do around this ship, John pay
Speaker 1: Owning a dog is probably the best way to get
Speaker 1: a mix of bacteria, because I don't know about you, Tiff,
Speaker 1: does Luna ever slip the tongue in?
Speaker 2: You know me too?
Speaker 1: Fritz does same me. You get a bit close after
Speaker 1: licking his balls, then he's licking your lips so fucking
Speaker 1: forget all your hygiene, I said, cat, though I picked
Speaker 1: Fritz doesn't have balls.
Speaker 2: No, well, his previous owners took him to the vet
Speaker 2: when he was a little.
Speaker 1: Wow, like father, like son? What? What? Sorry? Sorry? What? Sorry?
Speaker 1: I just it just broke up. Then, come on, Patrick,
Speaker 1: jump back on your list.
Speaker 2: Off this topic fast. What about do you before you
Speaker 2: go to bed?
Speaker 1: I love it when you get tongue tied. It's so
Speaker 1: good because you never get tongue tied. Yeah, before I
Speaker 1: go to bed? Yeah, keep going.
Speaker 2: How long before you go to bed? Do you look
Speaker 2: at a screen TV?
Speaker 1: If I'm being honest, If I'm being honest, I'm in
Speaker 1: bed watching TV. I'm terrible at this, but I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the worst example of what to do. I tell
Speaker 1: people what to do, but I I sleep like a
Speaker 1: rock though, so I don't know that.
Speaker 2: I'm Wow.
Speaker 1: You drink I'm drinking coffee right now, seats.
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm drinking It's.
Speaker 1: Five point thirty. I'm drinking coffee, and I'll have a
Speaker 1: cup of tea. I often take a cup of tea
Speaker 1: to bed and watch Telly, so my brain has all
Speaker 1: the stimulants.
Speaker 2: Wow. A Norwegian study CRAGO involving more than forty five
Speaker 2: thousand students. Right. Yes, that when they used screens in
Speaker 2: bed for one hour after the lights out, increased their
Speaker 2: risk of insomnia by fifty nine percent and shortened their
Speaker 2: total sleep by twenty five minutes per night.
Speaker 1: I believe it, and you believe it, but it doesn't.
Speaker 1: But it's not for everyone, but it's it's generally true, though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: doing what I do. Say to people don't do what
Speaker 1: I do. It's terrible.
Speaker 2: I try to not look at my phone and listen
Speaker 2: to an audio book or a podcast before I go
Speaker 2: to bed, so black out the room. I have a
Speaker 2: total totally blacked out room, even mine. I've got a
Speaker 2: digital clock that projects onto the ceiling. It's a little
Speaker 2: led display. And then what I do is, I've got
Speaker 2: two pillows and I pushed the pillows across so that
Speaker 2: covers the laser and that way I don't even get
Speaker 2: the glow of the red lights that reflected. It's totally
Speaker 2: got to be totally black.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, cook, Do you have a particular sleep protocol.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I now try and get off the phone an
Speaker 3: hour before before bed. And the phone lives in the
Speaker 3: kitchen of a night, so I can't look at it
Speaker 3: or no, it's there because we know that keeps the
Speaker 3: brain active, or it does for me, and I have
Speaker 3: to read a real book. Ohne, I've got a protocol
Speaker 3: that is working, and my sleep's gone up about an
Speaker 3: average a half hour night, which is phenomenal. I'm having
Speaker 3: some good having some good times with that new with
Speaker 3: that protocol.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only thing that I do is I listened to
Speaker 1: I've got this repeat. Basically it sounds like surf, like
Speaker 1: crashing waves, which I played pretty much every night, and
Speaker 1: I don't know how many waves are here crash, but
Speaker 1: it's not that many. I've got forty minutes of crashing
Speaker 1: waves and surf. It's like just But when I play
Speaker 1: like even gentle music, it distracts me because of the
Speaker 1: different the different instruments. But if it's essentially like white
Speaker 1: noise or brown noise or green noise or any of those,
Speaker 1: where it's a constant, yeah, I fall asleep straight up.
Speaker 2: It's interesting. My digital clock that you know, the fancy
Speaker 2: one with the laser that points the time onto the roof.
Speaker 2: It also has pre recorded wave sounds. What else does
Speaker 2: it have? You know, like creek babbling brook like when
Speaker 2: through the trees, I not never want to turn that
Speaker 2: on and have a listen. Isn't that funny? I should?
Speaker 1: It should? It could be, It could be the could
Speaker 1: be the thing that gets you over the line. Tell
Speaker 1: us why we wouldn't charge our phone when we're renting
Speaker 1: a car.
Speaker 2: Oh see, you know it's funny. I did this little
Speaker 2: story or I put it aside in our notes previous
Speaker 2: previous podcast, and we didn't get a chance to talk
Speaker 2: about it. And it was that very same day I
Speaker 2: was getting my car service, do you remember, Yeah, And
Speaker 2: so I'd done that very thing. I plugged my car,
Speaker 2: my phone into the car so I could use my
Speaker 2: GPS and Android Auto and it hadn't even occurred to me.
Speaker 2: And the reality of it is, when you are in
Speaker 2: a courtesy car and you plug your phone in, potentially
Speaker 2: it can be synchronizing with your phone, taking your contacts off,
Speaker 2: sharing your contacts with the vehicle. And if someone knew
Speaker 2: what they were doing, they could go back. And I've
Speaker 2: found this before. If you ever got into a courtesy
Speaker 2: car and you've hooked up by Wi Fi or hooked
Speaker 2: up by cable, and you can see other people, other
Speaker 2: users who've used the car. Have you ever seen that?
Speaker 1: I have not, but I believe that would. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 2: So that's the reality. When you plug in a cable,
Speaker 2: and it may even just be to charge your phone,
Speaker 2: you think, oh, you had better charge the phone. Well,
Speaker 2: potentially you could be transferring information between your phone and
Speaker 2: your car. And most car companies, no rental companies, have
Speaker 2: zero policy because it wouldn't occur to them to have
Speaker 2: a policy about the privacy of your data if it
Speaker 2: gets taken sucked up by the car that you're using
Speaker 2: as a high car. Do you reckon?
Speaker 1: We already live in a time where, in Australia anyway,
Speaker 1: it's pretty much impossible to have a technology free life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a tough one. That's a tough like, it's pretty impossible,
Speaker 1: isn't it. I mean when you think of banking and
Speaker 1: payments and bills and like, unless you live off the
Speaker 1: grid in the middle of nowhere and grow your own
Speaker 1: food and have your own water and generate your own
Speaker 1: electricity and have your own medicine, Like, think about all
Speaker 1: of the things that you need to not just subsist
Speaker 1: but exist and potentially thrived be very hard to have
Speaker 1: no or to not be connected. I don't mean no technology.
Speaker 1: Maybe you can have a generator or whatever if that's technology,
Speaker 1: but I mean technology technology. I think we're almost past
Speaker 1: that time, aren't we.
Speaker 2: I think we would risk being well for most of
Speaker 2: us the way we engage. And you talked about things
Speaker 2: like banking, it's getting increasingly difficult to do any sort
Speaker 2: of banking unless you're doing it online. I went to
Speaker 2: our local community bank recently to withdraw some money. I
Speaker 2: don't normally use cash. In fact, I don't think I've
Speaker 2: used cash since before COVID, so it's been what five
Speaker 2: years or something. But the interesting thing is I got
Speaker 2: my cards out. So I'm standing there with my wallet,
Speaker 2: which just sits in my glovebox because again I don't
Speaker 2: use it, and I'm putting all the different cards and
Speaker 2: about five cards, and I put them into the cash
Speaker 2: machine and they're all popping out and it's like none
Speaker 2: of these work, Like I'm not getting any money out.
Speaker 2: Manager came out and what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 2: Because I know the manager and she's and she said, no, no,
Speaker 2: none of your cards are enabled for ATM. It's like
Speaker 2: what she said, no, no, none of the cards are
Speaker 2: enabled for ATM because you don't get any interest if
Speaker 2: you've got an account that has ATM access, But if
Speaker 2: you have no ATM access, then you earn interest. And
Speaker 2: it's like, well, how do I get money out? I
Speaker 2: just come in to the bank and we'll you know,
Speaker 2: we'll do it across the counter. I had no idea.
Speaker 2: It had been five years since I've used an ATM,
Speaker 2: and I realized that none of my cards work in
Speaker 2: an ATM.
Speaker 1: So what did you need cash for? Were you going
Speaker 1: to see your mate that you're building a website for?
Speaker 2: What did I need cash for? I don't know cash
Speaker 2: I needed cash for. I had one of my colleagues
Speaker 2: had a birthday and I wanted to put cash in.
Speaker 2: Actually both of them, two colleagues had a birthday. One
Speaker 2: of them just turned eighteen, and so I wanted to
Speaker 2: put some cash in a card for him, and I
Speaker 2: ended up getting one of those debit cards because he
Speaker 2: wants to travel M. I thought to be easier just
Speaker 2: getting the cash out and giving that and my other
Speaker 2: colleague as a surprise, I put three hundred bucks into
Speaker 2: his card.
Speaker 1: We were very nice.
Speaker 2: He didn't say.
Speaker 1: You don't give to express something in return, you just
Speaker 1: be nice. Come on, and now you've spoken about it publicly,
Speaker 1: you're really really reaching, aren't you.
Speaker 2: He's not going to listen to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Scientists tell us that working from home makes us happier.
Speaker 1: I reckon, that's a bit. I hate it when they
Speaker 1: say generalize things. Yeah, it's like, well, does it everyone?
Speaker 1: All the people? I don't know. I hate it when
Speaker 1: they make unequivocal statements. No, we did some research and
Speaker 1: with the people that we looked at in general, the
Speaker 1: people that we looked at, I don't know. I feel
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of people that don't come under
Speaker 1: that banner. But it's an interesting conversation starter.
Speaker 2: Anyway, four year Australian study, this is and this came.
Speaker 2: This has all come to the four post COVID or
Speaker 2: during COVID, I should say, you know, I've been running
Speaker 2: a business from home for what twenty six years? And
Speaker 2: you know, at one point you'd almost embarrassingly say that
Speaker 2: you're working from home. But now it's become the done thing,
Speaker 2: and you know, because a lot of people were forced
Speaker 2: to do that, and there's legislation being enacted in Victoria
Speaker 2: to make it compulsory for employers to allow staff to
Speaker 2: work at least two days a week from home if
Speaker 2: it's practicable. I mean, if you work in a factory,
Speaker 2: that's not going to happen, but it makes sense. So
Speaker 2: this this started, this study began just before the pandemic
Speaker 2: and they was the University of South Australia and they
Speaker 2: looked at teleworkers, so you know, and the impact on
Speaker 2: their lives and they said that.
Speaker 1: When what's a teleworker, you mean someone who's on the
Speaker 1: phone and does.
Speaker 2: Just working remotely. So tell so basically anybody who works
Speaker 2: from home and is remotely yeah, so I mean yeah,
Speaker 2: So the pandemic was accelerated the ability to work you know,
Speaker 2: basically from home for anybody you know who was an
Speaker 2: office worker. But media, it seems that the immediate effect
Speaker 2: of working from home was better sleep. So that was
Speaker 2: one of the things because on average, remote workers gained
Speaker 2: an extra thirty minutes of rest overnight. And that makes
Speaker 2: sense because if you're not commuting to work, then you
Speaker 2: have more time after work knocks off to do all
Speaker 2: the things that we have to do to live our lives,
Speaker 2: which means we then are able to get to bed earlier.
Speaker 2: Potentially and be able to get that extra sleep that
Speaker 2: we all absolutely need.
Speaker 1: So does that mean I'm going to have to go
Speaker 1: and do my corporate gigs in people's homes? Good a, Brian,
Speaker 1: I'm here for a workshop. It's just you and me.
Speaker 1: Imagine if people stop going the corporate I'm fucked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what am I going to do? Yeah? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think it'll snuggle at your place.
Speaker 1: Of course, we could do it in the front yard,
Speaker 1: I think though, I understand it, but it seems like
Speaker 1: everything's geared towards the employee, not the employer, like the
Speaker 1: people who are actually paying them. It's like, can you go, okay,
Speaker 1: we actually want you to be when you work. We
Speaker 1: want you to be in the workplace. And it's like
Speaker 1: if you say that, like you're a bad person. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I feel like there are a lot of jobs, like
Speaker 1: if you're a mechanic or a builder, or any kind
Speaker 1: of tradee or a school teacher or and I know
Speaker 1: you can do some of that. I just think that
Speaker 1: I don't know where. And I totally understand it, and
Speaker 1: I'm all for better conditions for employees, But when does
Speaker 1: the tail stop wagging the dog? Like when does the
Speaker 1: person who's paying the person have some right to say,
Speaker 1: I actually want you here because I want to be
Speaker 1: able to just talk to you frequently, and I want
Speaker 1: to be able to build an environment we've got a
Speaker 1: team of creatives in the same room, or I don't know,
Speaker 1: like it feels for me, who's employed people to then
Speaker 1: be told, oh, you can't you you have no control
Speaker 1: over any of this. You've just got to do what
Speaker 1: you're told and pay everyone and shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I don't know that that would work
Speaker 1: in a lot of businesses.
Speaker 2: Look, I agree with you. I've got to say, when
Speaker 2: my employee works from home, I'm less likely to engage.
Speaker 2: We have phone calls and we chat, but I always
Speaker 2: feel like I'm imposing on him. So if I have
Speaker 2: a phone call and I hang up and then I
Speaker 2: think of something thirty seconds later that I've meant to mention,
Speaker 2: and I call it a Willoson imposition. Whereas when he's
Speaker 2: in the office with me, oh, I joined a quick
Speaker 2: read of this email before I send it, you know,
Speaker 2: I go over to him and say, how's this job
Speaker 2: you're working on going, And I'll have a look and
Speaker 2: we'll see what he's working on. It's like I'll make
Speaker 2: a couple of suggestions, but that doesn't work when he's
Speaker 2: working remotely. I absolutely know that he's very good at
Speaker 2: working remotely, and I get that, and it's good for
Speaker 2: him because he can take his daughter to day care.
Speaker 2: So two days a week he works from home, you know,
Speaker 2: four three days he's in the office. But I feel
Speaker 2: we're more productive when we're in the same room together,
Speaker 2: and I feel I'm supported because I like to bounce
Speaker 2: ideas off and you know me, I hate to talk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we know, I notice, But I also I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess there's no right wrong with this. But I
Speaker 1: also think depending on the workplace and the culture. But
Speaker 1: I know lots of people who actually really like their
Speaker 1: job and they like where they work. And I know
Speaker 1: people who also hate their job. But going to a
Speaker 1: place where you've got friends and colleagues that you do
Speaker 1: cool stuff with together and it is a good environment. Now,
Speaker 1: I know this is not every workplace, but I also
Speaker 1: think there's something to be said for getting out of
Speaker 1: the house, going somewhere. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do that because I teach, and that's
Speaker 2: a great way to get out and do that. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm at the gym in the morning and then walking Fritz,
Speaker 2: so I spend at least two hours out of the
Speaker 2: house even before I start work. But I love it
Speaker 2: when I have an excuse to leave and if I
Speaker 2: can have them. The other day, I think I told
Speaker 2: you I got very excited because I'm a nerd and
Speaker 2: we just opened a new library in Bland. It's very exciting.
Speaker 2: But I I had a meeting with a client and
Speaker 2: I just said, let's go to the library and meet
Speaker 2: there because I've got meeting rooms and stuff, and it
Speaker 2: was awesome just to be able to get out of
Speaker 2: the house and meet somewhere different.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not nineteen eighty two, don't you. We
Speaker 1: got a library? What, Tiff? Can I ask you a question?
Speaker 1: We've got a library. God, wait till the internet gets
Speaker 1: to Bland. You guys are going to go nuts. Hey,
Speaker 1: tif are you What are your thoughts on self driving cars?
Speaker 1: Would you get in a self driving car? Would you go, hey,
Speaker 1: take me to the gym and just sit in the
Speaker 1: back seat and let yourself be driven.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't even do you know what
Speaker 3: I find weird. I've seem to have an issue with
Speaker 3: the sound of electric cars when they drive past me.
Speaker 3: The they freak me out. I feel like I'm in
Speaker 3: some weird I don't know it's weird. So I don't
Speaker 3: know how you feel about them.
Speaker 2: Well, tell even eyes that you're hearing. That's about the
Speaker 2: sound that you get in.
Speaker 3: They've got this weird there's this weird noise that goes
Speaker 3: bast I feel like I'm a sort of cipher. I'm
Speaker 3: not repeating it. You're not bullying me.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well they're they're on their way in Australia, as
Speaker 1: Patrick will tell us in a moment, but also they're
Speaker 1: already in California. There's already taxis and a bunch of
Speaker 1: other things, which, yeah, so you order a cab, it
Speaker 1: comes to your house driverless, you get in and it
Speaker 1: takes you where you're going, and you're the only person
Speaker 1: in the car. That's that's got to be interesting for
Speaker 1: your first time doing that.
Speaker 2: Well, at the moment. In Australia, Tesla has been allowed
Speaker 2: to enable what they call full self driving, but there's
Speaker 2: a caveat it's called supervised self driving, so you have
Speaker 2: to be sitting at the steering will ready to take over.
Speaker 2: So you you know, you can't be sitting around having
Speaker 2: a nap. You can't be sitting in the passenger seat.
Speaker 2: It's TIFF's given me this blank look. But what the
Speaker 2: hell is the point?
Speaker 1: I saw a video of a dude coming in a
Speaker 1: Tesla from Sydney to Melbourne and he's got to sit
Speaker 1: there like, I think it's more stressful than just driving,
Speaker 1: because he's got to be fucking sitting there with his
Speaker 1: hands at the ten to two but not on the wheel,
Speaker 1: but just ready at any moment for a fucking ten
Speaker 1: hour drive to take what's the point? I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I want to sit in the back and have a
Speaker 1: snoozy mcsnoozeter. Well, watch your video looking to happen.
Speaker 2: I got to say that I use like assisted cruise
Speaker 2: control in my car and lane assist, so my car
Speaker 2: will use adaptive cruise control. If the car in front
Speaker 2: of me starts to slow down, the cruise control will
Speaker 2: slow down accordingly and maintain the distance. It's safer if
Speaker 2: someone jams on their brakes, the car potentially Well, I've
Speaker 2: actually had this one. I've reversed into my driveway because
Speaker 2: I hadn't trimmed the hedge well enough, I started reversing.
Speaker 1: Such a metaphor.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty good usually at trimming the hedge. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: like to keep it tidy. As I reversed into the drive,
Speaker 2: the car slammed on the brakes, So it's like, what
Speaker 2: the hell just happened? Did I hit something? And it
Speaker 2: was just that the bush was poking out a little bit,
Speaker 2: and so I subsequently got out of my heage trimmer
Speaker 2: and trim the hedge.
Speaker 1: Notice how quiet I am here? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, But those things are handy. So if you're
Speaker 2: reversing and a child ran out in front of you
Speaker 2: and you didn't see them, or a dog, a cat,
Speaker 2: then your car potentially.
Speaker 1: We get that. That's the old technology. Patrick, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Suzuki's got all that shit. Let's talk about No, stop
Speaker 1: distracting us with your bullshit, Mazda, Let's go back to
Speaker 1: fucking Oh, I guess what my car's got, adaptive cruise control.
Speaker 1: Fucking hell, that's a newsplash. Let's talk about Tesla's that
Speaker 1: can drive you around while you're sitting in the back seat.
Speaker 1: When is that actually happening?
Speaker 2: Well, the foot well, not in the back seat. Because
Speaker 2: it's a legislative not technology. So legislatively, no government in
Speaker 2: Australia is going to let a car on the road
Speaker 2: that's full self driving. They want ever like ever at
Speaker 2: the moment, at the moment, they prove themselves. So the
Speaker 2: argument from Tesla is that cameras don't blink, they don't
Speaker 2: get tired, they don't get distracted, and so potentially having
Speaker 2: that car in that autonomous mode of full self driving
Speaker 2: mode is going to be safer even if you're sitting
Speaker 2: there at ten to two ready to take over control,
Speaker 2: because the car will react better than what they're claiming.
Speaker 2: The car will react better than what a human driver will.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, and I think also I think
Speaker 1: they're right. I think we don't want to think about that.
Speaker 1: But you know, every now and then you go, oh,
Speaker 1: a Tesla ran over four people, or it did this
Speaker 1: or that, But you think about all the human error
Speaker 1: accidents that happen every day all around the world. I
Speaker 1: you know, I would say they are far there's going
Speaker 1: to be even when we do have full automated self
Speaker 1: driving cars. I would think there will be accidents, but
Speaker 1: I think it will be I could be wrong, but
Speaker 1: I feel like it'll be overwhelmingly safer than humans doing
Speaker 1: the job. For the reason that you said, yes, Tiff, yes,
Speaker 1: you're with your hand up in row four. I love
Speaker 1: it when you put up your hand like you're at school. Everyone.
Speaker 1: I just say, your camera has changed. It keeps zooming
Speaker 1: in and out on you.
Speaker 3: What's that about, zoomer me if I wanted it to
Speaker 3: do that? And I said, that sounds great, zoom let's
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 1: And every now, every time you put your head in
Speaker 1: your hands, which is every two minutes, we see the
Speaker 1: top of a scone. You got a little dandruff. Bro,
Speaker 1: I don't you know. I'm just just letting you know.
Speaker 1: Maybe just some.
Speaker 3: Coind quite a few silver hairs sprouting through, by the way,
Speaker 3: But that's not what my hand was raised for. It
Speaker 3: was to say, my biggest concern is, as if people
Speaker 3: aren't going to hack them hack everything else, people are
Speaker 3: going to hack that shit and crazy stuff will happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm with you on that. Yeah, that's like I mean,
Speaker 1: it's essentially a computer on wheels, as if they're not
Speaker 1: going to be hacked.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh look, and now I'm doing one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: kilometers an hour towards that tree. Oh and I'm a
Speaker 1: politician that people or whatever it is like, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: that scares me. Yeah, Patrick fixed that wair if you could.
Speaker 1: If you could, Patrick, fix that and get back.
Speaker 2: To us, I will all right to do list Craigo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you could. I know you've got not much
Speaker 1: on can you. I want to jump ships a little bit.
Speaker 1: Dutch designers innovate tiny home. I'm a bit obsessed with
Speaker 1: tiny homes everyone. I think I'd like to live in
Speaker 1: one for a year or two. Tiny home inside recycled
Speaker 1: wind turbine. It's either that or those buddy shipping containers.
Speaker 1: I don't mind a good shipping container.
Speaker 2: That's been frocked up a bit, especially when you get
Speaker 2: them on top of each other where they're offset.
Speaker 1: And you can yeah, like a big genger kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, tetris like in the Tetris.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is because one of the I mean, it's.
Speaker 2: Great that there are a lot of wind turn bides
Speaker 2: around now. I don't know if you've ever been up
Speaker 2: close and personal next to a wind turbine, but they're gigantic, like,
Speaker 2: they're massively big, and the problem is the environmental sustainability
Speaker 2: of these once they become decommissioned. And so I have
Speaker 2: a bit of a chuckle when I saw the name
Speaker 2: of this eco friendly innovation. It's called Nestle, which could
Speaker 2: be pronounced nestle or nestlay. So it's either I'm going
Speaker 2: to eat it, or I'm going to live in it
Speaker 2: because could be a block of chocolate, mate.
Speaker 1: Or I'm going to snuggle up next to it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So each of the units measures about three hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy six square feet. So what's that about, like
Speaker 2: a square, like one hundred square meters or something? No,
Speaker 2: how much three hundred and seventy what three hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy six square feet?
Speaker 1: Well, that's like twenty feet by twenty feet just under
Speaker 1: So it's like five meters by four meters, which is like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's tiny.
Speaker 2: What's that in square meters? Though, because I don't know
Speaker 2: square feet, I should have probably done the calculations.
Speaker 1: Okay, well it's like is five by four is twenty
Speaker 1: square meters?
Speaker 2: Are twenty square meters? Okay, that sounds good. So they
Speaker 2: are making these really great little stylish you know, they're
Speaker 2: using European Well they're getting people to kind of move
Speaker 2: into them. And it sounds like the perfect way to
Speaker 2: recycle and repurpose these turbine parts. And you know, I
Speaker 2: lived in a caravan for about three years. When I
Speaker 2: was about sixteen, I bought a caravan and moved out
Speaker 2: into the backyard and it was I had my own
Speaker 2: little what why are you laughing at me?
Speaker 1: I bought a caravan and I moved out. Where'd you go?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: The backyard? What? Yeah? Seven feet from mum so she
Speaker 1: could wash my clothes and make my dinner.
Speaker 2: I had it in com too, so I could just
Speaker 2: press to see when it was ready to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mum's dinner ready. And also, what about my jocks?
Speaker 1: What's the status on those? It's a status on my jocks?
Speaker 1: Over hell on pathnic. Can you impersonate your mum for me? Please? No?
Speaker 2: I would not I would not go that far, my
Speaker 2: lovely mother. I wouldn't do that. Actually I couldn't.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It's funny. I do a really good Maltese accent, but
Speaker 2: when I heard my parents talk, couldn't hear their accent?
Speaker 1: Wow? Well let's hear it. Let's hear your really good
Speaker 1: Maltese accent. Well, can we say to everyone you are
Speaker 1: Maltese by heritage.
Speaker 2: By heritage, demoritese accent sounds like this. If I talk
Speaker 2: about the Dutch engineers who innovate the tiny hole wind,
Speaker 2: say his say cold wind turbine.
Speaker 1: Oh oh that's pretty good, dude, that's pretty good. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's better than my Irish, which I'm not doing accent.
Speaker 2: Mind, I can do an Irish accent till the cows
Speaker 2: come home.
Speaker 1: Well, you're pretty good at that. That's the voiceover man
Speaker 1: in you coming out. Tip. Would you like to live
Speaker 1: in a tiny home for a year or two? I'd
Speaker 1: love to, I reckon be all right with a pet
Speaker 1: horse if I was. Imagine if you were stinking rich
Speaker 1: and you just build an estate of tiny homes, had
Speaker 1: like a thousand tiny homes, I wonder, and you could
Speaker 1: sell them for like one hundred and twenty grand, so
Speaker 1: everyone could, Well not everyone could, but you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, what's what's the median price of a house
Speaker 1: in Melbourne? A trillion dollars? What do you get for
Speaker 1: one hundred grand? You get a letterbox and a yakka
Speaker 1: next to it.
Speaker 2: Hucknell Well countries are looking into the affordability and trying
Speaker 2: to get people into the housing market by producing eco
Speaker 2: sustainable housing like the shipping containers and now this idea
Speaker 2: of having a recycled wind turbine. But it would be
Speaker 2: so good for young people. I look at my young
Speaker 2: people that I know, my friend's kids, and you think,
Speaker 2: how the hell you know if you live in Hampton,
Speaker 2: how the hell are you ever going to buy in Hampton?
Speaker 2: And this is happening in a lot of places where
Speaker 2: young people are being displaced from the suburbs they grew
Speaker 2: up in because they can't afford to buy in that suburb.
Speaker 2: So it's happening in a lot of towns where you've
Speaker 2: got resort towns, so places four Key and Ocean Grove.
Speaker 2: So if you grew up there surfing as a kid,
Speaker 2: once you get to the point where you may want
Speaker 2: to move out of home and buy a place, it's
Speaker 2: too out of the spectrum because it's too expensive. They
Speaker 2: can't they can't buy in the town that they grew
Speaker 2: up in.
Speaker 1: That's why everyone head to the land. That's where it's at.
Speaker 1: That's it's Patrick starting a cult pretty soon.
Speaker 2: That'd be good leader, do you Beckon? I could be
Speaker 2: a cult leader? Maybe On edit career change.
Speaker 1: You could definitely be involved in a cult. I feel
Speaker 1: more like you'd be the wife of the cult leader.
Speaker 1: You so i'm your missus pretty much pretty much, you
Speaker 1: could be my wife. I don't want to be a
Speaker 1: cult leader. No, I don't know. You're more You're not
Speaker 1: that bossy. I mean you're definitely, You're definitely smart enough
Speaker 1: if you wanted. But I don't think you want a cult.
Speaker 1: I don't want a cult? Who wants a cult?
Speaker 2: If in this conversation these three windows, who's the cult
Speaker 2: leader out of the three?
Speaker 1: Well, that's no one. It might be Tiff, it might
Speaker 1: you might be two, I see, and I might just
Speaker 1: do security at the front gate, heeping out the Feds.
Speaker 1: He carries about she could be a cult leader. Well,
Speaker 1: she kind of is, Hey, can you do one more
Speaker 1: story because I need to go and eat food because
Speaker 1: I'm getting like TIF, I'm getting angry. You're a bit
Speaker 1: angry at the moment. Yep, yeah, ye, So can you
Speaker 1: can you shove it along a little bit?
Speaker 2: Sheeers, I can't find the story. I'm just going to
Speaker 2: talk about it anyway. So Radian we talked about a
Speaker 2: few Australian innovations and I love it when Australians come
Speaker 2: up with innovations. But some scientists in Australia have come
Speaker 2: up with a way too. And you'll love this because
Speaker 2: I know you like to lurk around your suburb at
Speaker 2: night to give people. I I resemble that comment, Patrick,
Speaker 2: because I know my friends say that you walked us
Speaker 2: their house.
Speaker 1: I do. That's I think I must be the hamp
Speaker 1: and fucking weirdo because I'm out in the dark like
Speaker 1: a ninja. People just go, what is wrong with that guy?
Speaker 3: I know?
Speaker 1: I apologize, I'm friendly. You can say hello.
Speaker 2: Now They've got an ultra thin film that can turn
Speaker 2: ordinary glasses into night vision goggles if you wanted to
Speaker 2: buy night vision goggles. We've seen him in the movies,
Speaker 2: you know, the special ops people they wear those big
Speaker 2: chunky rectangus. Getting rid of all of that. So straights
Speaker 2: come up with a new way that could potentially transform
Speaker 2: how we walk around at night. And that could just
Speaker 2: be as simple as you not tripping over something when
Speaker 2: you're out evening walk. You know, I'm not suggesting it's
Speaker 2: for nefarious reasons that Craig may want to have night
Speaker 2: vision when he goes out for his walk. But there's organization.
Speaker 2: It's the ARC Center of Excellence for transformative meta optical systems.
Speaker 1: Of course it is. Do you know what else would
Speaker 1: be good? If they could have heat detecting in it
Speaker 1: as well, so I can see, you know, where live
Speaker 1: things are as I move across the urban landscape.
Speaker 2: Just turn it back to creepy.
Speaker 1: That's just for personal security. It is, it is, I reckon,
Speaker 1: it's yes, I was going to talk about something else. No,
Speaker 1: I would like a pair of those? Would you like
Speaker 1: a pair of those?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, it makes it would make night vision much
Speaker 2: more accessible as well, so because it's at the moment
Speaker 2: it's really just soldiers and people working professional bird watches
Speaker 2: or something. But the no, it could be really good
Speaker 2: to have that for safety and for lots of other
Speaker 2: reasons as well well. Even driving at night. You could
Speaker 2: potentially be driving and not have your headlocks on.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, gee, let's try that, shall we? Hey, everyone,
Speaker 1: let's just do a little social experiment, automotive experiment. Let's no,
Speaker 1: let's not do that for.
Speaker 3: A night time we and not having to turn the
Speaker 3: lights on and wake yourself up with all the blue light.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's such an issue. Isn't it when you get
Speaker 1: up and you need a Wii and you turn that
Speaker 1: shit on and it's like fox up your sleep. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I just go. I think this is the
Speaker 1: toilet in front of me. I'll do my best and
Speaker 1: I'll deal with it at six am. What's all that
Speaker 1: splashing on my calves? What's that? And my shins? Hold it?
Speaker 2: Crago?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Or you can always you know, you can always
Speaker 1: sit down, but that's not you don't want to do
Speaker 1: that when you're a boy. Do you do.
Speaker 2: You remember we had a train at Harper's whose wife
Speaker 2: made him sit down?
Speaker 1: Do you remember that a trainer at Harper's who's do
Speaker 1: not tell us the name on air, but definitely tell
Speaker 1: us what do you mean he's oh, so that he
Speaker 1: wouldn't piss everywhere?
Speaker 2: Yep, he's under strict instructions. You have to sit down,
Speaker 2: not to let us stand up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's wow. I need to dissown whoever that
Speaker 1: was before you even tell me who that was? Patrick? Whereon?
Speaker 1: People learn about you and what you do, and join
Speaker 1: your cult and come and stay at your house.
Speaker 2: Overnight websites noow dot com today you is the main
Speaker 2: website or you could get them chi at home dot
Speaker 2: com today you if you feel like you just want
Speaker 2: to hang out and do tie chi with me.
Speaker 1: Perfect both ways.
Speaker 2: And also, thank you so much, we finally got someone
Speaker 2: who kind of had some feedback. That was great that
Speaker 2: Jane took the trouble to ask us to talk about something.
Speaker 2: So if you want to talk to us something, just
Speaker 2: go to websitesnow dot com today.
Speaker 1: You you just made this podcast sound so tragic when
Speaker 1: you just highlighted that a person sent a question, a
Speaker 1: person get scarted with them.
Speaker 2: They care looking you know what, people enjoy listening. They
Speaker 2: don't feel they have to contribute, but if they want to,
Speaker 2: they can, and they sure can.
Speaker 1: Can I say, how funny you look holding what appears
Speaker 1: to be a bottle of beer in your hands, but
Speaker 1: it's kom butcher. If we know you're angry, we're going
Speaker 1: to let you go. But what are you going to
Speaker 1: shove in your face? What's the go to when you're hang.
Speaker 3: The place next door to where I took my clients
Speaker 3: is fair Feed and they have the best home cooked
Speaker 3: awesome chef prepared, not home cooked chef prepared me. So
Speaker 3: I got I can't remember I bought, but I bought
Speaker 3: some slow cooked meats. I'm going to whip that up.
Speaker 1: Is that the place where you're going and you get
Speaker 1: food and then you just pay whatever you think is no?
Speaker 3: This place started up around COVID time when we were
Speaker 3: in lockdown, and it's just like a sustainable little establishment
Speaker 3: and they've got chefs there and they cook all that.
Speaker 3: It's really good food, it's really tasty, and it's really
Speaker 3: awesome priced.
Speaker 1: So is it not for profit? Is my question? Or
Speaker 1: is it a business?
Speaker 3: It's a social enterprise right, and they're lovely too, So
Speaker 3: I drop it there once a week when I'm training people.
Speaker 1: Give a shout out. What's their name again? What's the
Speaker 1: business name? Or the social enterprise? What? Fair feed?
Speaker 3: Fair feed? Go get around. It's good, good food and
Speaker 3: soups that make me feel like my nan cooked to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, can I give you some quick cooking advice because
Speaker 2: I had the most exciting lunch today.
Speaker 1: Which part about we're finishing the podcast, are you not understanding.
Speaker 3: Everybody wants cooking advice from the vegan.
Speaker 1: And also yeah, we're just about we're just winding up
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, can I telling you no? You
Speaker 1: fucking can't.
Speaker 3: I'm about to go and eat my slow cooked So.
Speaker 1: Hey, go and tell your story to Fritz. He's probably
Speaker 1: so stick of your stories. Yeah, to see everyone.
Speaker 2: Bye,