Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray live speak Shun.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: watching us this Wednesday night problem with Vishop Stephen Conroy
Speaker 1: in a couple of minutes time. Remember you sent me
Speaker 1: and mlpots Gonews dot com. Do you now you've heard
Speaker 1: today what happened in the Senate? But can I just
Speaker 1: have my say on it? What a bunch of sooks
Speaker 1: Fatima Payman was and Lydia Thorpe as well. If for
Speaker 1: whatever reason this is the first time you're hearing about it,
Speaker 1: let me see you the fast version. Fatima Payman has
Speaker 1: dual citizenship. She has duel citizenship to Australia, a country
Speaker 1: that she came to as a refugee in Afghanistan, the
Speaker 1: country of which she left and therefore became a refugee.
Speaker 1: She cannot renounce her citizenship from Afghanistan because the Taliban
Speaker 1: won't let her. But of course if you have dual
Speaker 1: citizenship in Australia, then that means you can't be part
Speaker 1: of our parliament. People like Jackie Lamby learnt this lesson.
Speaker 1: Remember she had to leave the parliament before being re
Speaker 1: elected to the parliament and in every single time there
Speaker 1: has been a by election, either the candidate who was
Speaker 1: booted out for this technicality won their place back or
Speaker 1: the party that they represented won their place back. So
Speaker 1: Australians do not believe that it is an ultimate disqualifier.
Speaker 1: But the law is clear that if you have dual citizenship,
Speaker 1: you can't serve in the parliament. Fatima Payment is able
Speaker 1: to serve in the Parliament because no one is willing
Speaker 1: to put her to the test that other dual citizens
Speaker 1: have had to go through. Now, none of that is
Speaker 1: an allegation. All of that is fact, and all of
Speaker 1: that is by her own admission. Well, today in the
Speaker 1: Parliament there was an attempt by Pauline Hansen to refer
Speaker 1: this to the relevant authorities to trigger the potential and
Speaker 1: seemingly obvious removal of Fatima Payment from the Parliament. Now,
Speaker 1: of course she has her own political party. Now what
Speaker 1: is the Australian's Voice or whatever garbage that is. She
Speaker 1: thinks that she'll be able to get people elected to
Speaker 1: the next election, or she'll be able to get a
Speaker 1: run up of what five and a bit years until
Speaker 1: she's actually up for grabs. But remember it's not Pauline
Speaker 1: Hanson who started this story. It was the Labor Party,
Speaker 1: because the Labor Party knew that this was a scenario
Speaker 1: where Fatima Payman had dual citizenship. But remember she was
Speaker 1: sitting so low on the Labor ticket in Western Australia,
Speaker 1: no one thought she'd win. But because the Labor Party
Speaker 1: did particularly well in Western Australia, she came along for
Speaker 1: the ride because she was part of the governing party.
Speaker 1: Nobody was going to rock the boat. And then of
Speaker 1: course she jumped out of the boat and Labor itself
Speaker 1: started talking about going after her on this subject. So
Speaker 1: again today in Parliament there was an attempt to do
Speaker 1: what apparently the Labor Party knew when it came to
Speaker 1: this senator and her status about whether she can or
Speaker 1: can't be in the Parliament. Let's start with Pauline Hanson
Speaker 1: trying to take this to the next level, the.
Speaker 2: Urgent investigation in the Senate payment's eligibility to sit in
Speaker 2: this Parliament under Section forty four. Australians deserve to know
Speaker 2: that every member of this Chamber is eligible under the Constitution,
Speaker 2: no exceptions. Senator payment situation through Uchair raises serious concerns
Speaker 2: if she had been elected during the citizenship crisis of
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen seventeen, there is no doubt her case would
Speaker 2: have been referred to the High.
Speaker 3: Court to review.
Speaker 1: So all of this makes sense now, right in fatim
Speaker 1: a payment claims I can't get out of this situation
Speaker 1: because the Taliban won't let me out of this situation.
Speaker 1: But her response today and that of Lydia Thorpe, was ridiculous.
Speaker 1: They turned this stuff up to eleven and then try
Speaker 1: to get it to twelve and even thirteen if they
Speaker 1: possibly could. How's this for a ridiculous response to the
Speaker 1: matter that was being raised.
Speaker 3: The fact that you would say, just weeks ago to Senator.
Speaker 1: Perouki to Pakistan, you're not just vindictive, mean nasty, you
Speaker 1: bring disgrace to the human race. Really, honestly, you're a
Speaker 1: disgrace to the human race because somebody is saying you
Speaker 1: should be held to the same standard as every other
Speaker 1: person in the Senate and every other person in the
Speaker 1: lower House. Now, this clearly is a new type of
Speaker 1: politics that particularly the identitarians love to play, which is
Speaker 1: as soon as you hold them to the standard of
Speaker 1: everybody else, that's when you're a racist. That's when you're sexist,
Speaker 1: that's when you're a homophobe. Now again, she had every
Speaker 1: right to stand there and say, look, I'd love to
Speaker 1: be able to fix this situation. Clearly I love this country.
Speaker 1: But if the Taliban won't let me off the hook, sorry,
Speaker 1: that's it. Then you sit down, that's it. But instead
Speaker 1: trying to create a moment to distract from the central
Speaker 1: issue that she herself has admitted is the problem, it
Speaker 1: doesn't work. And also, these identitarian politics politicians need to
Speaker 1: understand that the vast majority of the country does not
Speaker 1: share their hyperbolic views about race, about sex, about gender,
Speaker 1: and about faith. We deal with people based off their
Speaker 1: first name and their character, not from where they come
Speaker 1: or what they look like. No matter how many times
Speaker 1: when these people are being held to the same standards
Speaker 1: as everybody else, they claim what the motivation is behind
Speaker 1: somebody saying that they should be held to the same standards.
Speaker 1: You see, this has always got under my skin as
Speaker 1: a person who has used words for a living and
Speaker 1: given an opinion passionately for a long time. Now, I
Speaker 1: absolutely realize that when I say something, somebody can say
Speaker 1: something back just as passionately. But you do not get
Speaker 1: the opportunity to tell me what was in my head
Speaker 1: when I was thinking about what I was going to say.
Speaker 1: What I said is what I said. What you think
Speaker 1: it means? Is you making up motivation? The senator was
Speaker 1: not done with a performance that shows herself not to
Speaker 1: be emotionally mature enough to sit in our federal Parliament.
Speaker 1: Perhaps the very reason the Labor Party knew that this
Speaker 1: was a person who could be on the ticket because
Speaker 1: of her passion, could be on her ticket, perhaps because
Speaker 1: of the story that she brings and so many bring
Speaker 1: to this country. But perhaps they knew she wasn't ready
Speaker 1: for prime time because she's a passionate person. Yes, in
Speaker 1: her early twenties, but as we all know, the person
Speaker 1: we were in our early twenties is a lot different
Speaker 1: than what we would be by our mid thirties, forties,
Speaker 1: fifties or even older. This is not an emotionally mature
Speaker 1: person reacting to a parliamentary procedure that is not racist.
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 1: Oh it's not racist. Oh, somebody bring.
Speaker 5: The dictionary, because Santa Hanson does not know the definition
Speaker 5: of racism.
Speaker 1: Again, the idea that because you say, hey, this person
Speaker 1: who by their own admission has dual citizenship and therefore
Speaker 1: potentially to be disqualified from being able to sit in
Speaker 1: the Parliament, the same standard under which multiple members of
Speaker 1: the Lower House and some members of the Senate had
Speaker 1: to give up their careers or have their careers interrupted.
Speaker 1: Like Jackie Lamby. Nobody said it was racist when it
Speaker 1: was applying to Jackie Lamby. Why is it racist because
Speaker 1: it applies to Fatoma Payment. Now there's some danger in
Speaker 1: me even saying what I am saying tonight, because unlike
Speaker 1: Fatima Payment, unlike Jackie Lamby, unlike Lydia Thorpe, unlike Pauline Hanson,
Speaker 1: I don't have parliamentary privilege where you can stand up
Speaker 1: and say defamatory things like the senator said about Pauline Hansen,
Speaker 1: things that if she had said in the public arena
Speaker 1: there could be potential legal consequences. Now again, the door
Speaker 1: is open if Fatima Payman would like to come into
Speaker 1: the man Cave or our studio in Canberra and try
Speaker 1: to explain what I clearly can't see here. But I
Speaker 1: think what we all saw today was a ridiculous performance,
Speaker 1: and that's what it was. It was this volcanic performance
Speaker 1: of emotion and accusation that may well have worked at
Speaker 1: the peak of the Twitter movement when it was called Twitter,
Speaker 1: but in the world of x where we are in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, this stuff just rings hollow. Of course,
Speaker 1: somebody very well practiced in all of this was Lydia Thorpe,
Speaker 1: who decided, here's an opportunity for me to ring the
Speaker 1: same damn bell that she does at any chance she gets.
Speaker 4: It's an absolute vile act against Senator Payment and I'll
Speaker 4: have her back and any other black or brown woman
Speaker 4: in this place.
Speaker 1: What does that mean Jackie Lamby had to give it
Speaker 1: up over dual citizenship. Fatima Payman is not defined by
Speaker 1: her racial identity in this question. It's about the dual citizenship. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe she will be able to convince an authority a
Speaker 1: call to somebody else that look, I'd love to give
Speaker 1: it up, but I can't give it up because the
Speaker 1: country that needs me to give it up won't let
Speaker 1: me give it up. Maybe that's a way, or maybe
Speaker 1: the absolute technicality is I'm sorry. Even though that's the case,
Speaker 1: you can't sit in the Parliament. But of course Lydia
Speaker 1: wasn't done, and the media was there. Click click click film, film, film,
Speaker 1: write it all down.
Speaker 4: Where's Hanson's legitimate claim to be in this country? Where'd
Speaker 4: she come from? Who's her ancestors? So let's talk about
Speaker 4: section forty four for the white people who came here on.
Speaker 6: Boats again, and I forget it, I'm talking about her,
Speaker 6: which is what she wants, the woman who hates the
Speaker 6: institution but loves getting paid by the institution, loves the
Speaker 6: power of the institution, but hates everything about it.
Speaker 1: Who do these people think that they are convincing to
Speaker 1: their cause?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 1: Lydia Thorpe is a politician who has said that she
Speaker 1: doesn't want to seek re election after the next federal election.
Speaker 1: She's here for at least another three years, and given
Speaker 1: Senate timings, it might be slightly longer than that. But
Speaker 1: because she won under the cover of the Greens and
Speaker 1: then pretty obviously was ready to jump early, so she
Speaker 1: could be this character for the next five years. This
Speaker 1: is the character that she's been, the supposed side of politics,
Speaker 1: and this particular politician who allegedly wants to bring people together.
Speaker 1: But every chance she gets here, it is roll the
Speaker 1: verbal grenade in and here we go again, over and
Speaker 1: over and over again. Well, as the vote was taking
Speaker 1: place to refer the senator. Now interestingly, Labor, who had
Speaker 1: spoken in one way, seemed to vote another, but still
Speaker 1: lydia Thorpe then takes the defeated motion and according to
Speaker 1: the Guardian, I have to be very clear, I want
Speaker 1: to quote their headline on this appearing to throw paper
Speaker 1: at Pauline Hansen. Does that look like appearing or she
Speaker 1: actually did it? And then of course the fingers up
Speaker 1: as she leaves the chamber and now very cleverly, technically,
Speaker 1: once you go past the door, that's not the chamber,
Speaker 1: So she did it in the champion'd be different. The response,
Speaker 1: of course, was that she is suspended, not allowed to
Speaker 1: participate in the parliamentary debate, not allowed to vote, not
Speaker 1: allowed to step onto the floor for the rest of
Speaker 1: the week, which is one more day, maybe two more days.
Speaker 1: But because things like the Misinformation Bill have disappeared, largely,
Speaker 1: everything that's going to happen and set in the Senate
Speaker 1: for the next couple of days will go through on
Speaker 1: bipartisan support. They don't need her vote. So that's when
Speaker 1: Labor decided.
Speaker 8: You've gone too far.
Speaker 1: You've gone too far. By the way, could somebody Please
Speaker 1: explain to me how an elected politician in this country
Speaker 1: is able to say what Senator Thorpe said today in
Speaker 1: Canberra without there being some sort of a consequence to
Speaker 1: her ability to continue to sit inside our federal Parliament.
Speaker 4: They talk about harmony, they talk about reconciliation, they talk
Speaker 4: about bringing this country together, yet they don't walk the talk.
Speaker 4: They allow racism to continue to hurt us and everybody
Speaker 4: else in this country who is not white. What do
Speaker 4: they want a civil war in this country?
Speaker 1: Honestly, seriously, think about some of the characters that we've
Speaker 1: had through the Upper House of recent years. What would
Speaker 1: the collective response be of the canber Press gallery to
Speaker 1: a politician saying civil war? Now, there's not going to
Speaker 1: be one. There ain't going to be one because the
Speaker 1: extreme majority of Australians again don't care from whence you
Speaker 1: come and what you believe in. They deal with you
Speaker 1: face to face. We all know someone from somewhere else
Speaker 1: we are or someone from somewhere else, including Lydia Thorpe.
Speaker 1: The reality of what she's selling is ridiculous, But just
Speaker 1: like payment, it all goes the way it does. Now
Speaker 1: the Parliament has shown that it has the capacity to
Speaker 1: turn around and say sorry, you do actually have to
Speaker 1: have a certain series of minimum standards to be able
Speaker 1: to turn up in the Parliament and to vote in
Speaker 1: the parliament and to speak in the parliament. Now she's
Speaker 1: an elected person, so she can't be booted out of
Speaker 1: the parliament. But every time she does this stuff, why
Speaker 1: is she not suspended by the Parliament for that sitting week.
Speaker 1: I'm sure she'd loved to go off to a court
Speaker 1: and work out whether they have the legal power to
Speaker 1: do so at some point in time. But how is
Speaker 1: our politics any better for somebody talking about civil war
Speaker 1: or making accusations of racism when somebody says the rule
Speaker 1: that says you can't have dual citizenship to sit in
Speaker 1: the Parliament, which affected Jackie Lambey, may well apply to
Speaker 1: the senator who, by her own admission, is in a
Speaker 1: dual citizenship scenario, one she doesn't want to be in,
Speaker 1: one she's trying to get out of. But still, remember
Speaker 1: when Nick Xenophon went through this, nobody was screaming racism
Speaker 1: when they were trying to do it to Josh Friedenberg
Speaker 1: who saying racism, the reality is whether you like or
Speaker 1: dislike and clearly the Australian people do not have a
Speaker 1: problem with dual citizenship. Why because, as I said, everyone
Speaker 1: who got booted out either came back or the party not.
Speaker 1: None of them lost seats, no one lost ground. But
Speaker 1: because Fatima Payment made her decision to walk away from
Speaker 1: the Labor Party and in my view, has no statistical
Speaker 1: way of getting back into the Parliament, just like Lydia
Speaker 1: Thorpe that somehow everything has to be treated differently. This
Speaker 1: is outrageous, It is ridiculous, and I get it, evil
Speaker 1: white man on television talking about it, but I don't care.
Speaker 1: We've got to see past this garbage. We're going to
Speaker 1: call this stuff out. But you know what, the first sign,
Speaker 1: the first sign of stepping away from this sort of
Speaker 1: inflammatory garbage or rewarding this inflammatory garbage, is that if
Speaker 1: the media wanted to, they could apply the same lack
Speaker 1: of interest that they do to other members of the
Speaker 1: Senate cross Bench. You don't see many interviews with Jerriet Reddick,
Speaker 1: do you. You don't see appearances on Insiders by Malcolm Roberts.
Speaker 1: You don't see much about Ralph Babbitt either, do you.
Speaker 1: Now these are all legitimately elected members of the cross
Speaker 1: Bench who have the ability to vote whichever way they want,
Speaker 1: but the media just pretends they don't exist, push them
Speaker 1: to one side, no talkie talking about those people, but
Speaker 1: the lady who talks about civil war gets profiled on
Speaker 1: sixty minutes. I'm not even going to get involved in
Speaker 1: double standards and all the rest of it. The media
Speaker 1: make their choices, and I've got a feeling that many
Speaker 1: of them make their choices because they disagree with the
Speaker 1: three that I just showed you who they ignore, and
Speaker 1: parts of them agree with some of the stronger parts
Speaker 1: of Senator Thorpe and Senator Payments Mark. There was a
Speaker 1: huge pole that dropped today and it tells us yet
Speaker 1: another building block on a foundation of the potential removal
Speaker 1: of Anthony Albernesi as our Prime Minister and Labor as
Speaker 1: the government of the country. Now, every time I say this,
Speaker 1: because I know there's plenty of people who are just
Speaker 1: sitting there waiting, because I've said things like I just said,
Speaker 1: just sitting waiting for the first technical mistake to run
Speaker 1: off to the umpire. I don't think that it's going
Speaker 1: to be a one term government because until I see
Speaker 1: data about the teals the Liberal Party and National Party
Speaker 1: most likely don't get near the seventy six seats required
Speaker 1: to become a majority government but minority. Who knows but
Speaker 1: three issues have absolutely buried Anthony Albernesi. They have since
Speaker 1: almost day one. The bloke who promised to make everything better,
Speaker 1: what cost of living on every possible count. The bloke
Speaker 1: who says that he thinks about the little guy every
Speaker 1: day we now has his hand out for an upgrade
Speaker 1: when he's going on personal flights. And the bloke loves
Speaker 1: spending other people's money, for example himself and every other
Speaker 1: MP not one, not two, but three pay rises since
Speaker 1: the last election, thirty thousand extra public servants, let alone
Speaker 1: the new planes, and all the other money that's been
Speaker 1: pittled up against the wall, including that referendum of four
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars. Well at the heart of
Speaker 1: federal elections, be they are in Australia, the UK, New Zealand,
Speaker 1: or of course the United States, where this question became
Speaker 1: crystallized all those years ago by Ronald Reagan in a
Speaker 1: presidential debate, is are you better off this election than
Speaker 1: you were at the last election? Pol drops today from Redbridge,
Speaker 1: asking the question of our Australians better off than they
Speaker 1: were two and a half years ago, fifty seven percent
Speaker 1: of people say no. The darker the red the stronger
Speaker 1: the feeling. But you can see that fifty seven percent
Speaker 1: of people say no, just thirty one percent, which is
Speaker 1: about the labor primary, say they're better off than they
Speaker 1: were since this government came to power. Have a look
Speaker 1: at it. When it comes to the amount of money
Speaker 1: that people earn. If you earn a thousand dollars or less,
Speaker 1: sixty three percent of people say no. Two way, you're
Speaker 1: better off since this bloke became Prime minister. People were
Speaker 1: in between one and two thousand dollars a week, again,
Speaker 1: sixty three percent no. People earning between two and three
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a week fifty seven percent no. The only
Speaker 1: people who seemingly support are those who are at the
Speaker 1: absolute top end of the market, and of course they're
Speaker 1: the ones who didn't get a taxcut. But anyway, Also,
Speaker 1: if you want to slice this a different way, let's
Speaker 1: just go through the old demographics of age, where you
Speaker 1: can see that eighteen to sixty five plus all of them,
Speaker 1: more people believe they are worse off than they were
Speaker 1: when this government to power. The same for men and
Speaker 1: the same for women, despite the fact that apparently the
Speaker 1: Liberal Party has a problem with women. What about where
Speaker 1: people live. It doesn't matter if you live in the cities,
Speaker 1: in the suburbs, in a regional area or a rural area.
Speaker 1: The extreme majority of people believe they are not better
Speaker 1: off than they were since this government came to power.
Speaker 1: These are the building blocks of a shocker on an
Speaker 1: election night, one that the press gallery will say doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: But they said that about Harris and the Democrats. But
Speaker 1: apparently the smart heads in the Labour Party, so don't worry.
Speaker 1: None that applies to us is the government focused on
Speaker 1: the right priorities. No one supports that proposition. In fact,
Speaker 1: your age, your gender, or all voters believe that the
Speaker 1: government is not focused on the right priorities. In fact,
Speaker 1: just thirty percent of all voters say that the government
Speaker 1: is focused on the right priorities. Thirty one percent of
Speaker 1: eighteen to thirty four year olds, twenty nine and twenty seven,
Speaker 1: between thirty five and sixty four, thirty percent of people
Speaker 1: over the age of sixty five. But of course everything
Speaker 1: doesn't matter again to the next federal election because Uga Booger,
Speaker 1: black and white music, cut cut, cut, cut cut, Spooky, Spooky,
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton's coming.
Speaker 9: Peedy Dutt, Peter Dutte, Peda Dutton And they've got the
Speaker 9: dirt unit ready to find all of the information that
Speaker 9: everyone who's tried to find stuff on Dutton internally inside
Speaker 9: the Liberal Party are outside for years, has never been
Speaker 9: able to turn it over.
Speaker 1: But no, no, no, the Prime Minister's dirt Unit's going to
Speaker 1: find it. Well, are you sitting down, because according to
Speaker 1: this poll, when people were asked is Dutton ready for government?
Speaker 1: More people said yes than no, More men say yes
Speaker 1: than women who say no, but almost fifty to fifty
Speaker 1: on women. People who's qualification was leaving BEFO year twelve,
Speaker 1: they believe that Dutton would be there by seventeen points.
Speaker 1: People who got to year twelve either at school or
Speaker 1: after school, getting that equip getting that qualification. He's up
Speaker 1: by three The only people who don't like any university
Speaker 1: degree people, and even then at single digits. So good
Speaker 1: luck Albo with your dirt unit. Good luck pouring sugar
Speaker 1: into the year at the press gallery who love the
Speaker 1: whole new arrangements they currently have, how many people. How
Speaker 1: many ways can you cut that we're worse off than
Speaker 1: we were when this bloke became the Prime minister. This
Speaker 1: guy's priorities are wrong and people are now seeing not
Speaker 1: just an opposition but an alternative government. Those three strikes
Speaker 1: mean generally you're out. As we know, bloody hot in
Speaker 1: parts of the country, particular focus in and around Sydney
Speaker 1: over the past couple of days. Apparently it'll get better
Speaker 1: bit of rain into the future here. But yet another
Speaker 1: day where we are a quarter of the way into
Speaker 1: the two twenty first century and the leader of the
Speaker 1: most populous state in the country is talking to us
Speaker 1: as if we're in the middle of a war. Have
Speaker 1: a listen to this.
Speaker 5: The government's asking individual households and businesses to, wherever possible,
Speaker 5: wherever it's safe, consider not using energy intensive appliances between
Speaker 5: the hours of three pm and eight pm this afternoon.
Speaker 5: The reason for that is that solar production in the
Speaker 5: energy market starts to come off from three pm at
Speaker 5: exactly the same time as people return home from work.
Speaker 5: So if you can not run your pool filter, not
Speaker 5: run your dishwasher, not run your washing machine this afternoon
Speaker 5: between three and eight you'll help the grid.
Speaker 1: My answer is bugger all that you get charged either way.
Speaker 1: The Energy Minister similarly speaking to you as if we're
Speaker 1: in the middle of the blitz and we're trying to
Speaker 1: conserve energy. Of course it is not wartime. It is
Speaker 1: a order the way into the twenty first century, and
Speaker 1: governments are both persuasions in every state have made a bet,
Speaker 1: and one that results in them having to say this
Speaker 1: to us. On a hot dark they.
Speaker 10: Can keep their blinds closed and their rooms cooler. As
Speaker 10: I've said, Sola's going gangbusters at the moment. If you've
Speaker 10: got air conditioning, go for it as hard as possible
Speaker 10: and cool down the house before you get home tonight
Speaker 10: if you can. But if you can turn it up
Speaker 10: a couple of degrees, that makes a big difference in
Speaker 10: terms of demand. If you're not in a room, you
Speaker 10: don't need to have the light on, and if you
Speaker 10: can do the non essential electricity use wait until they
Speaker 10: use the dishwasher until after eight tonight. If you can
Speaker 10: hold on too that washing, to do it overnight or
Speaker 10: do it in the morning. That's what we're asking people
Speaker 10: to do. Every little bit helps.
Speaker 1: What rubbish, what patronizing garbage. These people make the decisions
Speaker 1: that put us into a situation where the electricity grid
Speaker 1: is so vulnerable that even before summer has started, when
Speaker 1: it's mid to high thirties, we're not forty six degrees okay,
Speaker 1: mid to high third onh No, No, it's not going
Speaker 1: to work out. Quick, pull this plug out, turn that one. No,
Speaker 1: you get charged for accessing the power grid regardless. So
Speaker 1: you stay comfortable, you stay safe, and you stay in
Speaker 1: the twenty first century. They can turn off all of
Speaker 1: the lights of Parliament House if they want to. They
Speaker 1: can get rid of every bit of communication inside the
Speaker 1: government officers. For those of us who pay our taxes,
Speaker 1: have bought our appliances and have our homes that we like, comfortable,
Speaker 1: you stay comfortable. I don't say this is an act
Speaker 1: of sissicle disobedience or denialism. I just say, no, know,
Speaker 1: their job is to provide the utilities, but they've made
Speaker 1: a bet to change the type of provision of the
Speaker 1: utility that powers all of those things. So bugger them,
Speaker 1: not us. Questions are asked about this today in question
Speaker 1: time where Chris Barwen, a minister who thinks that one
Speaker 1: day he might be the Prime minister, because if I
Speaker 1: can get the New so Wales right behind me and
Speaker 1: not Tony Burke that I'm a chance in a party room.
Speaker 1: This plug actually thinks he's going to run the country
Speaker 1: one day. Here's the question. He was asked about the
Speaker 1: very situation playing out today in the moment populous state.
Speaker 11: The Australian Energy market operator is right now scrambling to
Speaker 11: avoid blackouts by cutting deals with factories to temporarily shut down,
Speaker 11: and the New South Wales premiere is urging residents I quote,
Speaker 11: not to run your dishwasher, not to run your washing
Speaker 11: machine this afternoon, Prime Minister, is this what Labour's planned for?
Speaker 1: I quote?
Speaker 11: A renewable energy superpower really will look.
Speaker 1: Like great point?
Speaker 12: You can tell us about yah that the cable that's
Speaker 12: going to go to Singapore and this incredible thing in
Speaker 12: twenty years in this way today today you've got premiers
Speaker 12: talking to people like sculpture.
Speaker 1: This is beyond frustrating. I took an oath months ago
Speaker 1: not to swear as much as I used to, but
Speaker 1: you can imagine all the words that are screaming my
Speaker 1: way right now. He was part of the government response
Speaker 1: to that obvious question, which is an admission of their failure.
Speaker 3: Now, as the House is aware, New South Wales is
Speaker 3: undergoing a lengthy and severe heat wave, which is of
Speaker 3: course increasing demand on the energy system. When there's a
Speaker 3: heat wave, energy demand goes up. In addition, mister speaker,
Speaker 3: in New South Wales, check up, there are five units
Speaker 3: of coal and gas production that are not operating.
Speaker 8: Two of them.
Speaker 3: The two of them the opposition, were unexpected breakdowns in
Speaker 3: coal fire power.
Speaker 1: Yes, surprise, surprise, because you run down the main source
Speaker 1: of power because you have set up an entire incentive
Speaker 1: structure to invest in anything but it. Before you are
Speaker 1: able to commit to that new technology, you need the
Speaker 1: old technology. But guess what, it hasn't been maintained, it
Speaker 1: hasn't been modernized. So we end up where we are
Speaker 1: right now. Well done, Chris Bowen. Oh, one day he
Speaker 1: could be the Prime minister please in his dreams. Of course.
Speaker 1: The other one who thinks that he's going to be
Speaker 1: the prime minister is none other than old made snake
Speaker 1: Charmer Jim Charmers and today cocker Hoop. Because the inflation
Speaker 1: numbers are moving in the right direction.
Speaker 13: To breaking news now and the latest inflation figures have just.
Speaker 11: Dropped monthly inflation flatlining at two point one percent compared
Speaker 11: with the six it had in front of it when
Speaker 11: we took office thanks to plunging petrol prices and government
Speaker 11: energy rebates.
Speaker 14: So it remains unchanged and that's defying forecast that it
Speaker 14: would increase to two point three percent and to cut
Speaker 14: is exactly what the Albanezi government is hoping for to
Speaker 14: try and turn its fortunes around.
Speaker 9: If we inherited inflation from the previous government with the
Speaker 9: six in front of it, it's now got a two
Speaker 9: in front of it.
Speaker 1: These people, these people remember inflation with the two in
Speaker 1: front of the three or four or five or six.
Speaker 1: It's all added on top of the previous month, of
Speaker 1: the previous quarter. Right as it explained, right, the prices
Speaker 1: keep going up, up, up, up up, But for them
Speaker 1: they play the game that it's going down, down down.
Speaker 1: It ain't. And by the way, when the three hundred
Speaker 1: dollars power bill for every mansion and one bedroom unit
Speaker 1: in regional Australia is taken off next year after the election,
Speaker 1: there's not going to be a two hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: five dollars reduction and energy prices which was their promise. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's right, it's going back up again by almost half.
Speaker 1: So this inflation number that we get is artificial because
Speaker 1: of firstly the petrol issues and secondly the issues when
Speaker 1: it comes to electricity and the government are effectively paying
Speaker 1: off the power companies. The actual service itself is not cheaper,
Speaker 1: but it's appearing cheaper because you're paying off the power
Speaker 1: company before they make a bill. As for everything that
Speaker 1: is higher than two, that has two in front of
Speaker 1: it when it comes to inflation, just last month alone,
Speaker 1: tobacco up twelve points, fruit and veggies eight and a
Speaker 1: half points, going on holiday, renting a property, paying for
Speaker 1: your education, paying the insurance on your car, having a drink,
Speaker 1: having a drink that doesn't have alcohol in it, having
Speaker 1: gas to cook on a stove, doing something like God forbid,
Speaker 1: taking your kids to go and see a movie. All
Speaker 1: of it up, all of it with not a two
Speaker 1: in front of it. But of course, surprise, surprise, nothing
Speaker 1: to see here. It's all going in the right direction.
Speaker 1: Whistle Dixie, I repeat. The majority of Australians, when asked,
Speaker 1: say the joint is headed in the wrong direction. They
Speaker 1: don't have the priorities of normal people and they're worse
Speaker 1: off than they were when you first started becoming the government.
Speaker 1: So spin, spin, spin, win over the press gallery, send
Speaker 1: the wsapps, have the drinks at the lodge. For those
Speaker 1: of us in the real world, you are the problem,
Speaker 1: not the solution. Today we got some information that the
Speaker 1: police officer whom fired at taser at that ninety three
Speaker 1: year old woman in a nursing home on the south
Speaker 1: coast of New South Wales has been found guilty and
Speaker 1: guilty of manslaughter. Out on bail and sentencing will happen
Speaker 1: a little later in the week, I believe, or maybe
Speaker 1: next week. There is to be an inquest into lithium
Speaker 1: ion batteries and the fires that they produce. In fact,
Speaker 1: there have been two hundred and seventy five lithium ion
Speaker 1: battery fires in New South Wales alone, and some of
Speaker 1: these have resulted in people's debts, which is why a
Speaker 1: coronial inquest is going to get involved. Put simply, if
Speaker 1: you have one of these rechargeable batteries and I like you,
Speaker 1: and one of these people who's got a battery for
Speaker 1: seventeen different things, and you know, a leaf blower and
Speaker 1: maha and all of that business, charge them, but turn
Speaker 1: them off when you have charged them. Okay, don't leave
Speaker 1: things on charge because when they overhead, that's when they explode.
Speaker 1: That's how the fires take place. And let's talk about
Speaker 1: for one last time the delusional Democrats, because one hell
Speaker 1: of a day took place today. You say, it's just
Speaker 1: about to be Thanksgiving in the United States, so we're
Speaker 1: as close to a public holiday as we could possibly get.
Speaker 1: It's what twenty two days since the American election, and
Speaker 1: now finally they're willing to tell us what went wrong.
Speaker 1: Now sure, they're not willing to answer any questions about this. No,
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris just jumped onto a zoom video with her
Speaker 1: supporters to say nothing. And she's still serving up the
Speaker 1: word salads. Jeez, I'm surprised this lady lost.
Speaker 15: All that work that you did that was about engaging
Speaker 15: with other people, engaging with perfect strangers and in their
Speaker 15: face seeing a neighbor. That has lasting effect. It reminds
Speaker 15: people that there are leaders like you who care and
Speaker 15: will bring us together. You lost, and you know, sometimes
Speaker 15: in the darkest moments, people lose.
Speaker 1: Faith in that every swing state.
Speaker 15: Are there people out there that feel that way? And
Speaker 15: you reminded people that yes, there are and there are
Speaker 15: a lot of us, please, and that strength cannot be
Speaker 15: taken from us. That is our strength. It cannot be
Speaker 15: taken from us.
Speaker 1: Wow, she started off trying to be a barber in
Speaker 1: a pantsuit, and she's like a bad opera by the
Speaker 1: end of it. Oh, she's got more.
Speaker 15: And I know this is an uncertain time. I'm clear
Speaker 15: out about that. I know you're clear out about it.
Speaker 15: And it feels heavy, and I just have to remind you,
Speaker 15: don't you ever let anybody take your power from you.
Speaker 15: You have the same power that you did before November
Speaker 15: Fifth's you have the same purpose.
Speaker 1: You know people who write as motivational messages on you,
Speaker 1: and you.
Speaker 15: Have the same ability to engage and inspire fans to
Speaker 15: take your power from you.
Speaker 1: Okay. As for her staffers, I also did a little
Speaker 1: interview looking back at what they had to do, including
Speaker 1: how's this this used to be Biden's campaign manager and
Speaker 1: then her campaign manager. Imagine trusting your political future to
Speaker 1: this idiot.
Speaker 16: Of course, we lost, so I'm not here to say
Speaker 16: that that didn't happen. We would much rather not have
Speaker 16: that happen. But where she campaigned we did way better
Speaker 16: than the rest of the country, and Donald Trump did worse.
Speaker 1: You only campaigned in the swing states and you lost
Speaker 1: every one of them. Oh but apparently, according to this
Speaker 1: genius who was Obama's genius, they were never going to
Speaker 1: win the swing states.
Speaker 17: It's always worth reminding people it's really hard for Democrats
Speaker 17: to win battle ground states. Let's look at Pennsylvania. Twenty
Speaker 17: five percent of the electorate is liberal, roughly thirty four
Speaker 17: percent conservative. By the way, in most battleground states that
Speaker 17: conservative numbers over forty. So in every battleground state there's
Speaker 17: more conservative than ones.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? The swing states are not
Speaker 1: just full of Republicans. In fact, let me show you
Speaker 1: this political genius. People in the seven swing states, five
Speaker 1: of them have democratic governors. All of them have democratic senators,
Speaker 1: meaning Democrats can win from one side of the state
Speaker 1: to the other. Your candidate didn't. And what a surprise.
Speaker 1: The lady who talks like a future play school presenter
Speaker 1: was given a fairy give kick in the backside from
Speaker 1: the voters of the United States. I'm sorry to put
Speaker 1: you through seeing her. While Trump copped the bullet, America
Speaker 1: dodged one go away Cammaala Morenes sing all right, big
Speaker 1: one for many nights. So let's get straight to our panel,
Speaker 1: none other than Stephen Conroy. He's just here to help
Speaker 1: and the carry out champ as always. Broman Bishop Bromin
Speaker 1: caught on the way through the twenty first century in
Speaker 1: the Premier of New South Wales. The energy minister in
Speaker 1: New South Wales is telling people to not do their
Speaker 1: dishes because the network might fall over. Well what do
Speaker 1: you expect.
Speaker 7: I mean, people like me have been a certainly a
Speaker 7: matter of time, and this is what's going to happen,
Speaker 7: and it is happening, and it'll go on happening. And
Speaker 7: this is what happens in third world countries. This is
Speaker 7: what happens when governments can't supply enough electricity for the
Speaker 7: needs of the nation. Now we're supposed to be first
Speaker 7: world country. But this whole rubbish all started with the
Speaker 7: North South debate when they said back in what ninety
Speaker 7: two or something, that it was the obligation of the North,
Speaker 7: who benefited from the exploitation of the South, to.
Speaker 1: Give them money.
Speaker 7: And isn't that exactly what China said?
Speaker 1: Oh, this is first world third world stuff. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 7: One point three trillion annually. Just pay over the money.
Speaker 7: It's what it's always been about, and we've had stupid
Speaker 7: people who've fallen for it. And the Labor Party with
Speaker 7: mister Bowen and Albanezy. If he believes in anything for anything,
Speaker 7: I wouldn't know, But mister Bowen thinks that he's I
Speaker 7: don't know, enlightened and we're all dumb. But what we're
Speaker 7: getting is what was so inevitable, Steve.
Speaker 1: I was told by somebody today, oh look this is
Speaker 1: you know, unless it's an actual blackout, it's not a problem.
Speaker 1: Nobody's going to think about it. Well, normal people in
Speaker 1: my life that are not as politically engaged as you
Speaker 1: and I today were acting like it was sort of
Speaker 1: COVID times and saying we can't have the air conditioner
Speaker 1: on why because the premier said so this connects with
Speaker 1: normal people and it is a failure of service. At
Speaker 1: what point do the people that have demanded change recognize
Speaker 1: there's only so much of it you can have without
Speaker 1: problems like this.
Speaker 8: Well, I think the New South Wales the state's problems
Speaker 8: go back a little bit further than Chris Minn.
Speaker 1: I don't worry. I gave it last night and gave
Speaker 1: it to last night.
Speaker 8: Taken decisions taken by the Perrete government, and you can't leave,
Speaker 8: you know, Matt keeneor by himself. That was a government,
Speaker 8: a cabinets. They took these decisions. They closed down power stations,
Speaker 8: they started phasing the amount. Now and the good news,
Speaker 8: the good news, the good news is that one of
Speaker 8: the first things Mens did, we said we might have
Speaker 8: to extend the life of the power station was being
Speaker 8: closed out. Okay, very clear. The Men's government, the Men's
Speaker 8: government has been doing the right thing. It's been dealt
Speaker 8: a hand, you know, it's the cards in its hand
Speaker 8: are what it has to do. We've all been committed.
Speaker 8: Peter Dutton's still saying net zero by twenty fifty. Okay,
Speaker 8: he hasn't pulled out of announces pulling out of the
Speaker 8: Climate treaty like Donald Trump has. So let's stop try
Speaker 8: and pretend that the Liberal Party have not been front
Speaker 8: and center in helping create What you're claiming is this
Speaker 8: catastically the Men's government, nor your friend, your friend Matt
Speaker 8: k your friend Mat Okay, put us on a pa
Speaker 8: put us.
Speaker 1: That's got us a trick, that's my trick. But your mate,
Speaker 1: You're well played. All right. Now, this this this this
Speaker 1: red Bridge pole that came out today showing I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to this. I'm looking forward to this, Steve, and
Speaker 1: you're going to come first off on this one right
Speaker 1: of all of the numbers that I presented, which is
Speaker 1: the one that as a hardcore labor man you would
Speaker 1: be most concerned about about either a perception or a
Speaker 1: reality that you have to turn around between now and
Speaker 1: whenever that election is.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 8: I think the pole goes to a coor issue that
Speaker 8: I think Donald Trump highlighted successfully, which is are you
Speaker 8: better off you know, in the last four years? And
Speaker 8: the answer clearly in the US was no. And I
Speaker 8: think all of the issues that Redbridge look at today
Speaker 8: drive that core perception and that remains the challenge for
Speaker 8: the Albanese government to try and make sure people understand
Speaker 8: not get distracted by Peter Dutton's clever, very clever political
Speaker 8: tactes of moving around from here talking about immigration, blocking
Speaker 8: this bill, creating a crisis, keeping the government off balance.
Speaker 8: I think the government needs to be focused, and I
Speaker 8: said clever political opposition tactics.
Speaker 1: People continue to say you're very focused to them, you're
Speaker 1: very focused. Are you in for some sort of special
Speaker 1: of water they host to get dinner in your honor?
Speaker 8: I'm not aware of, not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 1: This is the heat to help.
Speaker 8: They might be, they might they might be hosting it,
Speaker 8: but they haven't invited me to it. As all I
Speaker 8: would say so, But I think I think that those
Speaker 8: core issues identified by red Bridge a genuine concern for
Speaker 8: the Albany's government going forward over the next four to
Speaker 8: six months, and that needs to be the absolute focus
Speaker 8: that the on. I think Labor's done a good job
Speaker 8: in taking the debate around away from some of those
Speaker 8: cost of living issues with a couple of important positions
Speaker 8: around getting those visa changes, and you've seen the Stephen
Speaker 8: built about over under sixteens.
Speaker 7: I think Take Charge says the economy is doing well
Speaker 7: and people are struggling to buy their groceries. They are insulted,
Speaker 7: they're angry, and they say this government has no idea.
Speaker 7: That's why a majority of people say the country is
Speaker 7: going in the wrong direction.
Speaker 1: And I mean, we're agreeing on this is a.
Speaker 7: Government that squandered so much money and so much time
Speaker 7: on the voice issue. It had no agenda, it wanted
Speaker 7: to implement, except mister Burke, who wanted to give everything
Speaker 7: to the unions so that when the next stout comes up,
Speaker 7: he gets the union vote correct so he can become leader.
Speaker 7: Other than that, nothing have they done nothing? And they
Speaker 7: presided over a drop in the standard of living?
Speaker 8: Two surpluses? Two surpluses? Can we get the money all
Speaker 8: Australian tax cuts all Australia and energy reby thousand care
Speaker 8: ga results. They've done a percent.
Speaker 7: They've done done nothing and the surplaces are funrowing because.
Speaker 8: You need to get a new playblk. Okay, it's the
Speaker 8: same bromin, same sentence every week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but hang on, hang on, hand hand. Here's where
Speaker 1: I think Bromen is on some very solid ground. I
Speaker 1: just was doing some rough mats, and I did mats
Speaker 1: in space at school, So double check my numbers here. Okay,
Speaker 1: the undecideds on this question of are you better off
Speaker 1: than you were two and a bit years ago? Okay,
Speaker 1: it's fifteen percent of people aged eighteen to thirty four,
Speaker 1: it's ten percent of people aged thirty five to forty nine,
Speaker 1: it's fifty percent. So it's thirteen percent of fifty to
Speaker 1: sixty four, and it's ten percent of sixty five and over.
Speaker 1: What that means is that if all of the undecideds
Speaker 1: moved to I am better off than I was two
Speaker 1: and a half years ago, Labor would be losing by
Speaker 1: twenty two points with people between thirty nine and forty nine,
Speaker 1: twenty six points fifty to sixty four, and thirty two
Speaker 1: points by people sixty five and over. If and we
Speaker 1: all know it basically goes fifty to fifty. If one
Speaker 1: hundred percent of undecideds go your way and you're steal
Speaker 1: that far down, that's the beginnings of a massive election loss.
Speaker 7: Yes it is. And I've said all along that Peter
Speaker 7: Dutton is a man who can win this election. And
Speaker 7: when people look at him, they say, yeah, I can
Speaker 7: rely on that bloke. They look at Alberanisi and they say,
Speaker 7: what is he stand for? Is just Albo the trot
Speaker 7: who likes fighting tories.
Speaker 1: Nothing like message discipline. It's okay to say the same
Speaker 1: thing every week. It's called message discipline and it ends
Speaker 1: up proving out to be correct. All right, last one
Speaker 1: here I showed before the staffers, and then the CA
Speaker 1: ed it in Kamala Harris. Now I get it that
Speaker 1: for some reason. You know, there's some sort of magical
Speaker 1: reason that they're not going to throw her under the
Speaker 1: bus because they think she might still be powerful by
Speaker 1: this time next year. It ain't going to be the case.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Stephen, When you lose, you have to say,
Speaker 1: maybe our plan was wrong, maybe our tactics were wrong.
Speaker 1: But to turn around and say, well, swing stots are
Speaker 1: really hard to win when in all of them they've
Speaker 1: got a senator, or in most of them they've got
Speaker 1: a governor. They're off in La la land. These are
Speaker 1: the people running the joint. They've got no idea what's
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 8: Look, I get that Kamala has to give some pastoral
Speaker 8: care to our core Democrat voters. But the best thing
Speaker 8: she can do is just say she's not running in
Speaker 8: four years time. I get those staffers, they've all got
Speaker 8: to find jobs. They've all got to be seen to
Speaker 8: be loyal along the way and not wanting to blame themselves.
Speaker 8: You know, look in the mirror, blame Kamala. Look at
Speaker 8: the posters. They need to understand Kamala needs to bow
Speaker 8: out now she there is not a viable candidate going forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in trouble. The shortest version possible to the question.
Speaker 7: Bottom line is all parties that lose try and go
Speaker 7: through irrationalities. It wasn't as bad as we think it is,
Speaker 7: and really there is hope. But this was a thrashing
Speaker 7: and I agree with Steve and she's got to get
Speaker 7: out of the race.
Speaker 1: Thank you, guys, do appreciate it. Look forward to seeing
Speaker 1: you all again next week. A very special story for
Speaker 1: you before we're done here on Paul Murray Live, eleven
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Speaker 1: love the Shine Awards because they celebrate women in regional
Speaker 1: Australia and Cadie Page, together with Penny Fowler, the great
Speaker 1: people of Harvey Norman put together this award to honor
Speaker 1: exceptional women who hold communities together. And I'm very pleased
Speaker 1: to say that Danny Mason Kinder is the overall winner
Speaker 1: of this year's Shine Awards and she joins us now.
Speaker 1: Congratulations mate, I think we both would agree that we
Speaker 1: would hope that there wasn't the reason to be here.
Speaker 1: It all comes out of family tragedy. But congratulations on
Speaker 1: turning what was the horrific loss of a daughter into
Speaker 1: something that resulted in you being recognized today. Congratulations, Thank
Speaker 1: you very much, Paul.
Speaker 13: Thanks.
Speaker 1: We're talking here about that Be kind of Foundation. Give
Speaker 1: us an idea about what it does today. It's obviously
Speaker 1: a long journey getting it to where it is today.
Speaker 1: But what does the Bee kind of Foundation do?
Speaker 13: So the Big kind of Foundation empowers and inspires children
Speaker 13: to really just become kind of more empathetic and more compassionate.
Speaker 13: And what we do is we put it's all about
Speaker 13: prevention and early interventions. So instead of waiting for mental
Speaker 13: health issues or bullying or know anything to arise, we
Speaker 13: try and get in early, teach the children a kindness,
Speaker 13: compassion and really stop stop these kind of behaviors before
Speaker 13: they start.
Speaker 1: Tell me about your beautiful girl, Billy.
Speaker 13: I don't know we've got long enough, Paul.
Speaker 1: There's never long enough. You know. In the blurbs that
Speaker 1: talks about her smile and spirit, she'd be intensely proud
Speaker 1: of what you've built in her name. But as a mum,
Speaker 1: what does it mean that you are able to take
Speaker 1: the love that you give her and try to give
Speaker 1: it to other kids as well?
Speaker 13: Billy was remarkable And you know I didn't obviously, like
Speaker 13: you said, I wish I wasn't here, but I am.
Speaker 13: And you know I didn't set out to do this.
Speaker 13: The Big kind of Foundation has really organically grown and
Speaker 13: it snaked its way to become what it's come. And
Speaker 13: children relate to Billy. There was just something about Billy
Speaker 13: and you know, as a twelve year old child, if
Speaker 13: they see her and if Billy's making a difference, it
Speaker 13: means that so can they. And that's what would be
Speaker 13: kind as trying to do, is give children a voice,
Speaker 13: give them confidence, and you know, really instill in them
Speaker 13: that we can all make a difference. Everyone can make
Speaker 13: a difference.
Speaker 1: Just looking at a photo of and now what a
Speaker 1: beautiful girl, and you're a wonderful mum. Congratulations to you,
Speaker 1: to everyone involved in it. The website is b Kindofoundation
Speaker 1: dot org. Congratulations on the Shine Award, but congratulations as well.
Speaker 1: I know how tough it is to find a way
Speaker 1: to put one foot in front of the other, and
Speaker 1: you do it. You do it every day and strength
Speaker 1: and love from everyone who's watching us right now.
Speaker 13: Mate, Yeah, thank you so much, Paul, Thank you for
Speaker 13: having me on and Thank you to Harvey Norman and
Speaker 13: the Weekly Times and those incredible women, all those women
Speaker 13: you know. I feel very humble to be here.
Speaker 1: Well done, Danny, Thank you all of us big Oaks,
Speaker 1: from all of us who have just met you, but
Speaker 1: look forward to celebrating what your work that you do.
Speaker 1: You can donate to the Be kind Of Foundation. You
Speaker 1: go to their website which is be kind Of Foundation
Speaker 1: dot org. See tomorrow