1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: From the news room and hi there, I'm Andrew Bucklow. 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: It's been more than ten years since William Tyrell, a 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: toddler from New South Wales, went missing. Ever since, theories 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: have swirled, leads have come and gone, and despite one 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: of the most extensive investigations in Australian history, his whereabouts 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: still remains a mystery. But now all these years later, 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: the case has taken yet another twist. News dot com 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: dot a U has uncovered some shocking details about a 9 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: convicted pedophile who's a person of interest in William's presumed death. 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: Will find out who this man is in just a moment, 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: breaking news. Three year old William Tyrell went missing, one 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: of Australia's most baffling cases exactly ten years. Foster mother 13 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: has always been. 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: From inside the home of the time. 15 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: She's the greatest actor in Australian criminal history. Yeah, it's 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: a mystery that script Australia since twenty fourteen, and one 17 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: man who knows more about it than most is news 18 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: dot com dot I used Dan Box. He hosts a 19 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: podcast called Witness William Tyrrel, which is a landmark investigation 20 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: into the case. He joins me now today Dan. 21 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: Hi, Bucky, good to be here. 22 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: Can we just start with a refresher because this did 23 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: happen so long ago. Tell me what we know about 24 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: William's disappearance. 25 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: Well, to be honest, we don't know anything. Ten years on, 26 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: more than ten years now, after the biggest police investigation 27 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,919 Speaker 2: I've ever seen in Australia, after a five year coronial inquest, 28 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: all we know is that there is no evidence, no 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: forensic evidence, and no eyewitness evidence of what happened to 30 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: William on that day from the moment he was last seen. 31 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: Will take me back to that day what happened? 32 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: Okay, So to help you understand where we are. This 33 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: is the mid north coast of New South Wales. It's 34 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: beautiful area and there's a small town called Kendall, a 35 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: few hundred people all around, kind of a village, Green 36 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: Warm Memorial. And then you drive out on this road 37 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: into the forest. The trees close in around you and 38 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: then you turn right. It's a dead end road and 39 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: it's beautiful. There's houses are set back from the road. 40 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: It's dead quiet, so quiet that any strangers, anyone who's 41 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: driving up and down the road who isn't a local, 42 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: you notice them I've been there. It's the kind of 43 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: place you want to take your kids on a holiday. 44 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 2: On that morning, the twelfth of September twenty fourteen, William 45 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: Tyrrel is three years old. He's up there with his 46 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: foster parents, visiting his foster grandmother at nine thirty seven. 47 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 2: There's a photo taken, so nine thirty seven in the morning, 48 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: photo taken of him wearing his Spider Man suit. You 49 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: might remember the image. It was everywhere for pages. Yeah, 50 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 2: he's playing on the back deck and he's smiling, and 51 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: that's the last time we know he was alive. From 52 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: that photograph. What happens next everything is in dispute. The 53 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 2: evidence of his foster mum is that he was playing 54 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 2: this game called Daddy Tiger, where he'd kind of you know, 55 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: he'd run off and come back and raw and then 56 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 2: run off, and you can imagine how it is with 57 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 2: a kid. But then he'd go away and come back, 58 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: and then he'd go away and it was quiet, and 59 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: then it was quiet for just a bit too long, 60 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 2: and she goes to look for him. But that's her evidence. 61 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 2: She has subsequently become a person of interest, and when 62 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: the police are looking at themselves, everything after that photo 63 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 2: is in doubt. 64 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: As you said, a huge investigation. Ever since this happened 65 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: more than ten years ago. Over the years, there have 66 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: been so many theories about what could have happened to William. 67 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: What are the most common ones? 68 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: Okay, So I've got to say straight up, if we're 69 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: talking theories, that there is no evidence, so no one 70 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: can be said to be involved, and everyone denies it. 71 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: William's foster m repeatedly denies it. I've spoken to her 72 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: many times. She always insists she wasn't involved. But in 73 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: terms of theories, so first up, the police, as you'd expect, 74 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: look at the foster parents. They look at the biological 75 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: parents because statistically, if something like this happens to a child, 76 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 2: it's overwhelmingly likely to be someone close to them. So 77 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 2: they do look at the parents, but also they're looking 78 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 2: at the possibility of someone else getting involved. And I 79 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 2: don't need to tell you what we're talking about there. 80 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 2: I can remember standing with the detective who was running 81 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: the case at the time, on that balcony from the 82 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: house and looking at where the grass reaches down to 83 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: the road and it's quite steep, and he was saying, 84 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 2: you can imagine a three year old coming around the 85 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: corner here and kind of the hill they run down 86 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: the hill keeps them going and you know, fifty meters 87 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: later they're at the road. There's no fence. So maybe 88 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: William went out star running down the garden, kind of 89 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: kept going because it was downhill, and then he meets someone, 90 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: someone with evil intent, and that's one theory. And then 91 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: the police have looked at was their possibility of a 92 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: targeted abduction, so not just a random stranger danger, which 93 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 2: is really rare, but with the family targeted for a reason. 94 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: They've looked at that. They've looked at the sheer number 95 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 2: of known child offenders in that area, and there are 96 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: a lot. They have looked at everything they can, but 97 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: those are the main ones they've looked at. But to 98 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: say it again, they have found no evidence. 99 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: You mentioned before, there was a coronial inquest at William's 100 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: disappearance and presumed death. It began back in twenty nineteen. 101 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: It wrapped up I think late last year in DECI. 102 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: You covered it in detail on news dot com dot 103 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: us podcast Witness William Yrrel. What have we learned from 104 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: that inquest? 105 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: That inquest was one of the strangest things I have 106 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 2: seen in almost twenty years of reporting on crime because 107 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: so two reasons. One, it's shrouded in secrecy. So the 108 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: number of non publication orders and suppression orders surrounding this 109 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: case is like nothing you've ever seen. So court orders 110 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 2: saying you can't talk about this, this or this, So 111 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: these things I can't tell you because the court says 112 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: I can't. And often that's for a really good reason. 113 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 2: They're protecting people's identities for good reasons. And sometimes you 114 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: look at it and you think, is this getting out 115 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 2: of hands now? Because there have been court orders saying 116 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: you can't talk about things, and there have been court 117 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: orders saying you can't talk about the court orders. And 118 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 2: I can remember being in one court and they wanted 119 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 2: to hear some evidence and saying, oh, we can't because 120 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 2: there's a non publication order from this other court. So 121 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: it's kind of tying the whole thing in secrecy and silence, 122 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 2: which doesn't help. And the other thing about the inquest 123 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 2: is that it stopped. So last December we were expecting 124 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: to have the final week of evidence. It's been going 125 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 2: on and off for five years. We'd heard the evidence, 126 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: the police had got from looking at William's foster mother, 127 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: who again denies any involvement. And we were told there 128 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: was going to be five more days of evidence, and 129 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: then a few days before we're told they're not going 130 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: to do that. That's it. It's over, and there's all 131 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: these questions left hanging. There's people we haven't heard from, 132 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 2: there's things we expected to be explained with that are 133 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 2: not explained and won't be at best for several months 134 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: more now, because I don't imagine the coroner's report will 135 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: come down until the end of this year at the earliest, 136 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: so that will be eleven years and counting since William 137 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 2: went missing. 138 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: We're going to go to an ad break in just 139 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: a second. But I know there was a person that 140 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: was named in this inquest that really piqued your interest. 141 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: Just quickly, What can you tell us about this man? 142 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: His name's Frank Abbott, and I have nothing good to 143 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: say about him. And the one thing that piqued our 144 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: interest about Frank was that he was due to answer 145 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: questions at the inquest. Everybody expected it to happen, and 146 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: it didn't, and the coroner won't tell us. 147 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: Why not more on Frank Abbott in just a moment. 148 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm chatting to news dot com dot aus 149 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: Dan Box. He's the host of a podcast called Witness 150 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: William Tyrrell Dan. Just before the break, we were talking 151 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: about a man named Frank Abbott who was named in 152 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: this inquest into William's disappearance. What do we know about 153 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: him and why didn't he speak. 154 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: Well? I wish I could answer that last question. And 155 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: we have spent months answering that question and trying to 156 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: find out as much as we can about Frank. And 157 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 2: what we have found has genuinely shocked me. And I 158 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: say that because I've been doing this work reporting on 159 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 2: crime for a long time. I'm used to having kind 160 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: of it's like no human emotions because you deal with 161 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 2: these things and they're so awful, but you deal with 162 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: them all the time. But what we've learned in this 163 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 2: investigation has been shocking. So Frank is a convicted child abuser. 164 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 2: He's in prison at the moment for assaulting two girls 165 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 2: and a boy. We've spoken to friends, We've spoken to family, 166 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: We've spoken to other witnesses, We've spoken to cops. We've 167 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 2: gone through birth certificates, family tree, we have pursued this 168 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: as far as we can spent months back and forth 169 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: with courts trying to get hold of old files. No 170 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: one has said anything good about Frank. So his former 171 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: neighbors talk about, yeah, we knew he was a pedophile, 172 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 2: but they also talk about other crimes they say he committed, 173 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: including other sexual assaults. We've spoken to a victim, We've 174 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: spoken to a witness, we've spoken to someone who knows 175 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: another victim. Personally, that's all alleged. I don't know if 176 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: it's true, but I do know that Frank is in 177 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: prison for sexually assaulting children. We've heard stories about Frank 178 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: taking girls and boys out into the forest and tying 179 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 2: them to trees, and that something bad happened out there. 180 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 2: And as we're reporting today on news dot com, dot 181 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 2: Au and in the podcast, we've heard that Frank's late brother, 182 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: a guy called Blue, when William Towell went missing and 183 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: people started looking at Frank because he was in the area, 184 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 2: Bluey always said Frank had nothing to do with it, 185 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 2: but we've been told and it's disputed, but we've been 186 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 2: told that shortly before his death, Blue said Frank may 187 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 2: have been involved, and that William Towell is buried near 188 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 2: something called the Bird Tree, which is this huge tree 189 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 2: deep in the forest, about twenty minute drive from where 190 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 2: William was reported missing, and that area has never been 191 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 2: searched by the police. 192 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: That possible. 193 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: Well, look likely the police don't know about it, because 194 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 2: if they did know about it, you would assume, you 195 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 2: one hundred percent, they would have searched. We know they 196 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 2: have searched areas on less evidence than that. And that's 197 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: not a criticism. It's because they've put so much work 198 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 2: into trying to find William and you look at this 199 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: and you think it's not good evidence. It doesn't prove anything. 200 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: In fact, it proves nothing. We can't talk to Bluie, 201 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 2: the brother who said it, Francoon answer questions. We've written 202 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: to him in prison, we've spoken to relatives. But what 203 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 2: it does show you is that there are things out 204 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 2: there that the police have not investigated. So ten years on, 205 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 2: after all this investigation, after the police saying they're focusing 206 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: on William's foster mum, it being on the front page 207 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: of the newspapers that they are close to cracking this case, 208 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: there are things out there that the police have not 209 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 2: yet looked at. 210 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: Is it right that Frank allegedly boasted about yep killing William. 211 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, he did. Evidence before the inquest about Frank is 212 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 2: eye opening. He allegedly boasted that he killed William and 213 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: buried him in a suitcase. He allegedly said there was 214 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 2: a place in the bush where it smelt like a 215 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: dead body and told people he knew the difference between 216 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 2: a dead human body and a dead kangaroo. He allegedly 217 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 2: he's allegedly done some awful things. But what he has 218 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: done is he keeps talking about the William Tyrol case 219 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: for someone who denies his involvement. And we know that 220 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: because we've heard recorded prison phone calls where he denies it. 221 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 2: He talks about William Tyrell a lot. He's contacted the 222 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 2: police investigating William Tyrrel and told them to look at 223 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: somebody else. He's told neighbors that the police are looking 224 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 2: at other people. He said that the police are looking 225 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: in the wrong place. So Frank himself keeps bringing up 226 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: the William Tyrol case over the years, including almost inserting 227 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: himself into the investigation by contacting the Strike Force. Yet 228 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: he denies any involvement whatsoever. 229 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: So in the new episodes of Witness, William Tyrrel. You 230 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: take a very close look at this, Frank Feller. People 231 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: can start listening to those podcasts from today. More will 232 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: be released over the coming days. Dan, you've obviously spent 233 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: a long, long time investigating this case. Last question for you. 234 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: Do you think there will ever be a resolution? Will 235 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: they ever find out what really happened to William? Tyrrel? 236 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do because I think we have to hope 237 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 2: and believe, because if children go missing, we have to 238 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 2: find out what happened. And in this case, I do 239 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: I think it might be like the Madeline McCann case 240 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 2: in the UK, or the Daniel Morkham case up in 241 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: Queensland where years went by and then it seemed to 242 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: come out of the blue that person. It could be 243 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: that person, and I think a witness will come forward, 244 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: someone will a detective will pick up the file and 245 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 2: say what about that thing there? And we will find 246 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 2: out what happened to William and we will find who 247 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: is responsible. But when that happens, I do believe that 248 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: person's name will be in the police file somewhere, because 249 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 2: the police have spoken to thousands of people, they have 250 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 2: tens of thousands of pages of documents. If not more 251 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: so much information for them to process and understand and 252 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: make sense of that. I am certain that when we 253 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: find out what happens, and I hope we will, you'll 254 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 2: be able to trace it back, point to that point 255 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: in the police file and say they're right there, that's 256 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: where we had the chance to solve this sooner. 257 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: For everyone listening, God to us dot com dot au. 258 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: We have articles on the revelations that Dan and his 259 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: team have found in this podcast. The podcast again is 260 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: called Witness William Hero Damn Box. 261 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Thank you, follow 262 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: Us, subscribe to from the newsroom wherever you get your podcasts.