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<v Speaker 1>Imagine a digital currency that can be traded throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>Internet that was linked to gold. This is what the

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<v Speaker 1>digital Gold Bank is all about.

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<v Speaker 2>Gold, the glinting promise of treasure that drove people from

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<v Speaker 2>all around the country and the world to Australia back

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<v Speaker 2>in the eighteen fifties during our gold rush, the influx

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<v Speaker 2>of prospectors, helping to shape our country into the multicultural

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<v Speaker 2>nation we now know. The precious metal is sometimes tilted

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<v Speaker 2>as a recession proof investment, But what Alan metcalf is

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<v Speaker 2>talking about in this YouTube video is not physical gold.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a digital concept gold that you can't see or touch,

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<v Speaker 2>but which can be bought and traded entirely online. More significantly,

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<v Speaker 2>this scheme is the first evidence I find of Alan's

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<v Speaker 2>money going overseas.

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<v Speaker 1>Digital monetization means that through the safe world system, we

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<v Speaker 1>can turn products and services into digital currency. Combined digital

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<v Speaker 1>monetization with gold, and instantaneously we have a way to

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<v Speaker 1>restore and sustain the credibility of the world economy. We

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<v Speaker 1>also have a safe haven to hold the retirement savings

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<v Speaker 1>of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything Alan has just said seems a bit insincere to me,

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<v Speaker 2>a bit like fool's gold. He can't have seriously believed

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<v Speaker 2>it that his bank was going to single handedly kickstart

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<v Speaker 2>the world economy and become a one stop shop for

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<v Speaker 2>people to invest their retirement money. But it was becoming

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<v Speaker 2>harder to squeeze more money out of investors, so in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen, Alan came up with this wild plan. This

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<v Speaker 2>was the latest add on to his original Safe World's concept,

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<v Speaker 2>which was already ambitious and confusing enough for investors. Now

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<v Speaker 2>Safewolds was going to have its own currency and bank

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<v Speaker 2>was called Digital Gold. Alan claimed to have the minus touch.

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<v Speaker 2>His Digital Gold Bank would be a safe place for

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<v Speaker 2>investors to store their money and watch it prosper, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was also a haven of another type, a tax haven.

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<v Speaker 2>Alan had started the business sixteen thousand kilometers away at

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<v Speaker 2>a place known as the Cayman Islands. I'm Alex Turner Cohen,

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<v Speaker 2>a finance and investigative reporter from US dot com dot AU,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're listening to the Missing forty nine Million. This

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<v Speaker 2>is episode six Safe Haven.

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<v Speaker 1>I am in Grand Cayman Island today and have just

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<v Speaker 1>taken the first step towards establishing the Digital Gold Bank.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the artificial intelligence program that we've been using

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the series to recreate Alan's voice. Ai Allen is

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<v Speaker 2>reading out an email that real Alan sent hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>shareholders in April twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Today, I incorporated the Cayman's company Digital Gold Standard. The

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<v Speaker 1>company can't be called the Digital Gold Bank until it

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<v Speaker 1>acquires a banking license.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd vaguely heard of the Cayman Islands before I started

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<v Speaker 2>this treasure hunt. It is located in the Caribbean and

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<v Speaker 2>as a British overseas territory with a population of about

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<v Speaker 2>sixty eight thousand citizens. The Grand Cayman is its biggest island,

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<v Speaker 2>and its sanswept beaches and golden sunrises are popular with tourists.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not the main thing the Caymans are known for.

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<v Speaker 2>It's heaven for tax dodgers. The Cayman Islands is ranked

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<v Speaker 2>as the greatest enabler of corporate tax abuse and topped

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<v Speaker 2>the Haven score ranking according to analysis done by campaign

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<v Speaker 2>group Tax Justice Network. Allan didn't shy away from its reputation,

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<v Speaker 2>though Later in the email, he said.

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<v Speaker 1>Why has this new company been incorporated in Grand Cayman

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<v Speaker 1>Because it needs to be an international entity that can

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<v Speaker 1>operate globally without conflicting taxation interests. This does not mean

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<v Speaker 1>that we are seeking to avoid paying taxation. We simply

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<v Speaker 1>need to avoid paying double taxation. There is nothing illegal.

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<v Speaker 3>In this move.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes on to say he had legal advice on

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<v Speaker 2>the issue. It's taken me ages to work out exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what this part of his business was up to. What's

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<v Speaker 2>helped is that Allan made several YouTube videos, so I've

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<v Speaker 2>pieced some of it together.

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<v Speaker 1>Most honest economists today now agree that the world economy's

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<v Speaker 1>current woes all started when Richard Nixon removed the Goal

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<v Speaker 1>standard in nineteen seventy one. Debt and the systematic destruction

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<v Speaker 1>of the world economy has been out of control since

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<v Speaker 1>that time. Consequently, people everywhere now live in the hope

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<v Speaker 1>of somehow restoring the Goal's standard. Share this hope.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds sketchy when I look into it, though. Experts

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<v Speaker 2>do seem to agree that President Nixon's decision to delink

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<v Speaker 2>the US dollar from gold are sho in a new

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<v Speaker 2>era of instability. I'm intrigued now, so I mine for

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<v Speaker 2>more information. One Safeworld's investor sends me a document titled

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<v Speaker 2>Digital Gold Standard investment memorandum. This booklet outlines Alan's plans

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<v Speaker 2>for his alternate currency. In it, Alan said he.

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<v Speaker 1>Wanted to create a digital economy for the world that

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<v Speaker 1>is backed by gold.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Alan's AI voice again. His memorandum to investors.

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<v Speaker 1>Continued, we will provide the way to monetize gold and

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<v Speaker 1>silver and turn these valuable physical assets into an everyday

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<v Speaker 1>common electronic currency. We will also be re establishing the

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<v Speaker 1>gold standard that once existed and served the world economy.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, this is all getting a bit weird for me.

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<v Speaker 2>People try maraid gold and silver futures all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning they already effectively function as an everyday common digital currency.

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<v Speaker 2>There was more. His digital gold was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>an alternative to PayPal, Alan said, and he even went

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<v Speaker 2>a step further and planned to issue his users with

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<v Speaker 2>their own gold paid debit card. Alan had a mock

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<v Speaker 2>up and everything in the information booklet showing the shiny

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<v Speaker 2>debit card he was proposing. He only needed a small amount,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, eight million dollars to get his gold bank

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<v Speaker 2>off the ground, and gold and silver would be purchased

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<v Speaker 2>with any leftover money. The best part, those who had

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<v Speaker 2>already invested might be able to convert their shares into

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<v Speaker 2>something real for the first time gold.

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<v Speaker 1>We're also aware of the increasing interest among investors to

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<v Speaker 1>roll over their existing stock market holdings into gold and

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<v Speaker 1>or silver. Converting retirement accounts into gold and or silver

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<v Speaker 1>accounts is increasingly popular.

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<v Speaker 2>Shares for this digital gold standard were selling for just

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<v Speaker 2>zero point zero one CeNSE each. The minimum investment was

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand dollars. He was selling them the same way

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<v Speaker 2>as Safe World shares, through a bank transfer to a

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<v Speaker 2>US or Australian account. Allan said people were already interested

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<v Speaker 2>in asking questions.

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<v Speaker 1>If Safe World's TV shares are so valuable, why is

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<v Speaker 1>the company selling lots in this offer at such a

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<v Speaker 1>low price. Because early stage funding is valuable. Investors who

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<v Speaker 1>are prepared to invest at the early stage of business

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<v Speaker 1>establishment expect and should get rewarded over and above what

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<v Speaker 1>later stage investors receive. The company is exploring the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to use our superior technology to produce a private and

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<v Speaker 1>secure digital wallet to support the goalpaid debit card.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, this part I recognize it sounds like some of

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<v Speaker 2>the cryptocurrency schemes that have become huge in recent years.

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<v Speaker 2>They're a kind of digital payment system similar to what

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<v Speaker 2>Alan is pitching, and since launching, cryptocurrencies have been wildly volatile.

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<v Speaker 2>Alan even reference Bitcoin the world's biggest cryptocurrency later on

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<v Speaker 2>in the INFOMEMO.

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<v Speaker 1>In an electronic economy, electronic money is required. Because of this,

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<v Speaker 1>we now see an increasing number of digital currencies being

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<v Speaker 1>created and aggressively promoted to exploit this reality. Among these,

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<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin is probably the most well known. The problem with

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<v Speaker 1>all the cyber currencies that are currently available is that

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<v Speaker 1>they are not universal in nature, They are proprietary, and

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<v Speaker 1>in some cases, like Bitcoin, their origin is unknown.

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<v Speaker 2>He's right. Bitcoin's origin is kind of unknown. It was

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<v Speaker 2>set up in two thousand and nine by someone calling

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<v Speaker 2>themselves to Toshi Nakamoto, only no one really knows who

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<v Speaker 2>Nakamoto is. Apart from that, Bitcoin is pretty well established

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<v Speaker 2>as a transparent, digital only payment method. Alan seemed to

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<v Speaker 2>be proposing an alternative to it.

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<v Speaker 4>When people hear digital gold, especially today, some people think

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<v Speaker 4>about bitcoin because it's often referenced as digital gold.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Tommy Honan, an analyst at Australian cryptocurrency exchange

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<v Speaker 2>platform swift X. He's from Brisbane and we meet when

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<v Speaker 2>he comes to Sydney for a conference. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>know what digital gold was. Was it cryptocurrency? Is this

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<v Speaker 2>where investors money could have got to I send Tommy

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<v Speaker 2>the Digital Gold information memorandum before our face to face interview.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like a white paper where Alan proposes his

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<v Speaker 2>methodology and what problem he's attempting to solve with his

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<v Speaker 2>gold bank concept, and something about it instantly strikes Tommy.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe that the project white paper itself lends itself

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<v Speaker 4>directly from what a crypto white paper would look like,

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<v Speaker 4>our blockchain project would look like.

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<v Speaker 2>The blockchain is central to how cryptocurrency operates. Essentially, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a way of recording every transaction anyone makes through crypto.

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<v Speaker 4>Blockchain gives us the ultimate transparency. Every transaction that goes

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<v Speaker 4>on chain is tracked. It is something that is filed

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<v Speaker 4>essentially in a ledger, in a book of transactions that

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<v Speaker 4>can be available on chain and visible to everyone at

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<v Speaker 4>any time.

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<v Speaker 2>Alan's own idea echoed this, as he.

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<v Speaker 1>Declared nothing could be more transparent than this.

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<v Speaker 2>Tommy also found that Allan's reasoning was quite similar to

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<v Speaker 2>the fears that led to the creation of cryptocurrency.

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<v Speaker 4>The world was on fire in terms of global markets.

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<v Speaker 4>We just see in the GFC kind of play out

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<v Speaker 4>thanks for failing. The Fiat currency system was under a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of strain. You know, you would have heard about

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<v Speaker 4>bank runs happening across the globe. I know people that

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<v Speaker 4>are definitely in that camp where they don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>hold money in the banks. At that time, the original

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<v Speaker 4>use case was, yeah, we don't trust anyone, so we

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<v Speaker 4>want to create our own currency. We're not kind of

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<v Speaker 4>self costody it as well, so no one nobody in

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<v Speaker 4>the world can get access to my money, and the

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<v Speaker 4>banks can collapse, the governments can collapse, but my value

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<v Speaker 4>is still safe. So that's where it started. That's not

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<v Speaker 4>where we are today.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe that fear that everything could collapse around you

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<v Speaker 2>did make Allen look at gold as a safe investment.

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<v Speaker 4>Gold as an investment class is kind of almost prehistoric

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<v Speaker 4>for some people. I guess it is an order demographic

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<v Speaker 4>type of investment.

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<v Speaker 2>You're saying that the digital version is almost is essentially

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<v Speaker 2>like having like a bar of gold kind of at

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom of your bed, but it's being held almost

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<v Speaker 2>digitally somewhere.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, yeah, it's it's not great practice told pull

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<v Speaker 4>in underneath your bed I like to put but it is.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess that's the reality of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So to recap, cryptocurrency started out because its early users

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<v Speaker 2>deeply distrusted governments and banks. They wanted to store their

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<v Speaker 2>wealth in crypto, safe from the financial woes of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time Allan was selling digital gold. Very few

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<v Speaker 2>people had even heard of cryptocurrency. One bitcoin was worth

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and fifty US dollars and now it's worth

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<v Speaker 2>sixty seven thousand US dollars. There were only five hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty digital currencies operating back in twenty fifteen, and

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<v Speaker 2>now there's more than three thousand as it's all become

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<v Speaker 2>more mainstream.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely a niche tech that not many of the average

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<v Speaker 4>people would have been involved with. In twenty fifteen, the

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<v Speaker 4>market was a lot different than how it is today.

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<v Speaker 4>Big Kind was worried about two hundred and fifty dollars. Today,

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<v Speaker 4>I think at the time of recording it's about sixty

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<v Speaker 4>seven thousand US. But there was about five hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>fifty digital currencies back in twenty fifteen. There's three thousand

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<v Speaker 4>plus today, and the entire crypto market was only worthd

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<v Speaker 4>about four billion. I think we're just shy of two

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<v Speaker 4>and a half trillion. At the time of recording, it

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<v Speaker 4>was a much different world even back in twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 4>It's less than you know, nine years ago, but it

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<v Speaker 4>was a completely different world back then.

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<v Speaker 2>As Tommy was pouring over all the information I'd sent

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<v Speaker 2>to him before our chat, he spotted a glaring issue,

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<v Speaker 2>a sign that Digital gold Standard had a problem and

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<v Speaker 2>was never really going to go anywhere. He brings it

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<v Speaker 2>to my attention.

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<v Speaker 4>For our currency to be truly digital, it needs to

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<v Speaker 4>be built in the cloud, needs to be built on chain,

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<v Speaker 4>needs to be built within a block So I guess

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<v Speaker 4>we have no evidence at this point that actually that

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<v Speaker 4>project itself was built on chain.

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<v Speaker 2>And while I've looked, I haven't been able to find

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<v Speaker 2>any evidence of a blockchain transaction happening through Allen's Digital

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<v Speaker 2>gold Standard.

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<v Speaker 4>It is quite an interesting case, and there is question

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<v Speaker 4>marks around whether it actually was built on chain or not.

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<v Speaker 4>Without that address, it's virtually impossible to find out and

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<v Speaker 4>to track where the value was coming from, whether specific

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<v Speaker 4>digital gold tokens were being minted or not. That is

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<v Speaker 4>almost impossible, like I said, to track until you have

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<v Speaker 4>the blockchain that it was potentially built on, if it's

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<v Speaker 4>bitcoind if it's ethereum Selana, whatever blockchain it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Despite this glaring floor in Allen's vision, Tommy says there

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<v Speaker 2>was something to what he was selling. Other cryptocurrencies have

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<v Speaker 2>been set up back on the value of gold.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it was innovative at the time. You fast forward

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty four, we have projects like this kind of everywhere. Today.

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<v Speaker 4>We have tokens that are backed by track the price

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<v Speaker 4>of gold, and they're kind of quote unquote derivatives of gold.

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<v Speaker 2>I have one final question for Tommy, why would Alan

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<v Speaker 2>set this company up in the Cayman Islands.

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<v Speaker 4>Cama Islands is seen as one of the most conducive

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<v Speaker 4>environments or geographies for innovation. They allow more things to

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<v Speaker 4>happen where. Things you can do in the Cayman Islands

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<v Speaker 4>you can't do in Australia because the regulations won't potentially

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<v Speaker 4>allow you or it hasn't been thought of yet. And

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<v Speaker 4>then the tax heaven kind of elements that you've mentioned

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<v Speaker 4>as well, cost of business, cost of running businesses in

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<v Speaker 4>those areas, they are generally cheaper as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe Allan had something. It wasn't perfect, but it

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<v Speaker 2>could have maybe worked.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>Despite what Tommy says about the advantages of basing your

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<v Speaker 2>business in the Cayman Islands, they're not really renowned for

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<v Speaker 2>their transparency. When I look into Digital gold Standard, I

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<v Speaker 2>find one reference buried in a one thousand page document

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<v Speaker 2>on the Cayman Islands Gazette. Digital gold Standard is listed

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<v Speaker 2>alongside thousands of other businesses that the island's regulator struck

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<v Speaker 2>off in twenty nineteen because of unpaid administrative fees. I

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<v Speaker 2>track down a document that says Digital gold Standard was

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<v Speaker 2>registered in twenty fifteen when Alan started sprooking the idea

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<v Speaker 2>to investors. Alan's wife, Mary Netcalf, is listed as the

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<v Speaker 2>sole remaining director of the business. Digital gold Standard only

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<v Speaker 2>had a registered share capital of forty one thousand Cayman

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<v Speaker 2>Islands dollars, which is about seventy four thousand Ausie dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Suggests that Allan's lofty goals of raising eight million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>didn't happen. This document also confirms that Digital gold Standard

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<v Speaker 2>had been shut down in November twenty nineteen. What I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't been able to do is track down anyone who

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<v Speaker 2>actually invested in this Digital gold scheme. But Warren Bardon,

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<v Speaker 2>a Western Australian farmer, comes to the rescue the.

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<v Speaker 1>Right further money. He started selling digital gold standardshaws.

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<v Speaker 2>You might remember I spoke to Warren in episode four

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<v Speaker 2>when I visited Geraldton. So you bought into this digital goal.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't go into that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd put enough into it the Metcalf idea, and I

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't going to put any more.

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<v Speaker 2>But Warren's late father, Vaughan did. I didn't even know

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<v Speaker 2>for sure that anyone had actually invested in Allan's gold

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<v Speaker 2>venture until now. Vaughan Bardon has recently passed away, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually speaking to Warren from his father's home as

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<v Speaker 2>he's still sorting out his dad's estate, including looking after

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<v Speaker 2>all the cattle left behind.

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<v Speaker 5>I think he trusted it a little bit more than me.

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<v Speaker 4>Why do you say that he put did you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Warren invested twenty thousand dollars, so Vaughan Bardon handed

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<v Speaker 2>over more than that. Vaughan did it believing hoping that

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<v Speaker 2>his kids, like Warren and his sister his grandkids, would

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<v Speaker 2>be set up for life. I know that because he

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<v Speaker 2>registered some of the shares in their names. Vaughan Bardon

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<v Speaker 2>died still not knowing what had happened to his investment,

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<v Speaker 2>the investment he made into both Safe Worlds and Digital

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<v Speaker 2>gold Standard. Are you okay with us maybe taking a

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<v Speaker 2>few photos of these documents. Up until now, I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>actually seen a Digital Gold shareholder certificate, but Warren has

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<v Speaker 2>found one among his father's things, Digital gold Standard incorporated

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<v Speaker 2>under the laws of the Cayman Islands. It reads it's

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<v Speaker 2>the fortieth share certificate that was issued, so at least

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<v Speaker 2>thirty nine people invested before Vaughan Bardon. Right at the

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<v Speaker 2>top is a dollar sign in a circle that looks

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<v Speaker 2>like a weird take on the bitcoin symbol, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a bee combined with a dollar sign. I've posted the

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<v Speaker 2>certificate up on the news dot com dot a U

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<v Speaker 2>website if you want to look for yourself. When my

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<v Speaker 2>producer Nina Young sees the piece of paper, her mind

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<v Speaker 2>is made up. Now that I've seen a certificate, the

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<v Speaker 2>Digital gold doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 6>Mm.

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<v Speaker 2>Looks fake.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the most fake certificate I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>As crazy as all this gold stuff is, there's something

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<v Speaker 2>else Alan kept hidden from shareholders over the years. Safe

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<v Speaker 2>Wards had also got mixed up with another notorious tax haven,

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<v Speaker 2>the British Virgin Islands, also based in the Caribbean. The

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<v Speaker 2>Virgin Islands has half the population of the Caymans, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually ranked as the best tax haven. The Cayman

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<v Speaker 2>Islands comes in second and Bermuda comes in third place.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a strange correlation between tax havens and beautiful beaches.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure why. In twenty eighteen, Alan's investors believed

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<v Speaker 2>that they'd found proof of a money trail that ended

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<v Speaker 2>at the British Virgin Islands. Years earlier, Alan had registered

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<v Speaker 2>two businesses there, IBS BVII Limited and IBS Shareholders Holding colimited.

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<v Speaker 2>The IBS part stands for Internet Business Systems, but when

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<v Speaker 2>I hear this, I think of another abbreviation for IBS,

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<v Speaker 2>irritable bowel syndrome. Perhaps an unfortunate acronym choice there by allan. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>investors believed their money had been transferred to these companies

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<v Speaker 2>in the British Virgin Islands without their knowledge or consent.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's an email a group of investors sent to Safforlds

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty eighteen. As their outrage grew.

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<v Speaker 7>The shareholders are aware that in twenty ten, a share

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<v Speaker 7>exchange of sixty six million, six hundred and seventy four

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<v Speaker 7>thousand and twenty three shares took place in the USA.

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<v Speaker 7>The shares in Safe World Internet TV, Inc. An unregistered company,

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<v Speaker 7>were exchanged for IBS Inc. Shares, a bankrupt company. The

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<v Speaker 7>shares exchanged were then transmitted to IBS Shareholdings Co. Limited

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<v Speaker 7>of the British Virgin Islands. This transaction is illegitimate and

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<v Speaker 7>thus invalid, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Going back through my files, I dig out old emails

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<v Speaker 2>Allen sent to investors in twenty twelve which support the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of a link to the Virgin Islands. He wrote

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<v Speaker 2>he'd reached an agreement with investors to transfer their shares

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<v Speaker 2>into the IBS business for tax reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>The shares will be held in trust until Safe World's

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<v Speaker 1>Television Inc. Is listed and the shares can be sold.

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<v Speaker 1>If they were issued now, it is most likely that

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<v Speaker 1>the value of the shares would be taxable in the

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<v Speaker 1>hands of the recipient. A British Virgin Islands corporate da

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<v Speaker 1>has been established.

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<v Speaker 2>Could this be it? As Safe World's never went public,

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<v Speaker 2>does that mean the shares and therefore the money is

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<v Speaker 2>still there in that trust? A literal pot of gold

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<v Speaker 2>locked up in a company called IBS, which is registered

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<v Speaker 2>in another opaque island, tax haven, on the other side

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<v Speaker 2>of the world. This feels like a pretty amazing moment.

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<v Speaker 2>But straight away I'm thinking what does this mean for

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<v Speaker 2>the six hundred people hoping to see their money again?

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<v Speaker 2>Because how are all these Australian shareholders, especially the ones

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<v Speaker 2>in places like Garyalton, going to navigate the tricky processes

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<v Speaker 2>in the British Virgin Islands to recover their money? And

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<v Speaker 2>what if I'm wrong? So I dig deeper. Alan started

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<v Speaker 2>IBS BVII Limited in nineteen ninety nine, the same year

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<v Speaker 2>he had his epiphany where he discovered the law of

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<v Speaker 2>thought buried in the Bible. This seems important because Alan

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<v Speaker 2>appears to have kept this company seek it with no

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<v Speaker 2>mention to shareholders. He'd already started a business in the

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<v Speaker 2>Caribbean Sea years earlier when they were giving him their money.

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<v Speaker 2>Another company was then registered in the British Virgin Islands

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twelve, this one called IBS Shareholders Holding Co Limited.

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<v Speaker 2>This lines up with when Alan claims to have struck

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<v Speaker 2>an agreement with his investors. For a moment, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I may have stumbled across the final resting place of

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<v Speaker 2>the missing forty nine million. But as I keep skimming

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<v Speaker 2>over these documents, I'm disappointed. Both companies were dissolved in

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<v Speaker 2>July twenty twenty three by pure coincidence. That was a

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<v Speaker 2>week before I first contacted Mary Alan's wife trying to

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<v Speaker 2>find out more about him as part of this investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>So if there was any money still in those businesses,

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<v Speaker 2>where could it have gone. It's not a simple case

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<v Speaker 2>of X marking the spot. Unfortunately, the fact he.

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<v Speaker 6>Set up in the British Virgin Islands is interesting to

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<v Speaker 6>me because I've traced money to the Camans before and

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<v Speaker 6>I had bank records. But when I was comparing, like,

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<v Speaker 6>what's the benefit of setting up a company in the

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<v Speaker 6>British Version Islands versus the Caymans. British Version Islands, you

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<v Speaker 6>don't have to disclose who owns what, and it seemed

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<v Speaker 6>like it was a much greater hurdle than even in

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<v Speaker 6>the Caymans.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Leah Wheatolta. She's an ex FBI agent turned

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<v Speaker 2>private detective. Leah runs her own podcast called Data Sleuth,

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<v Speaker 2>where she specializes in following money trails, which is how

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<v Speaker 2>I heard about her. She has long dark hair and

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<v Speaker 2>glasses and listens patiently as I tell her what I

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<v Speaker 2>know about the late Alan Metcalf. The private detective is

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<v Speaker 2>right about the hurdles I had to jump over to

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<v Speaker 2>find out information, any information at all about companies and

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<v Speaker 2>the British Virgin Islands, and why it's so popular for

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<v Speaker 2>businessmen and women trying to keep a low profile Without

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<v Speaker 2>knowing what the company is. It's impossible to find out

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<v Speaker 2>who's behind a business in Theridish Virgin Islands. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>just run a director search based on someone's name, something

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<v Speaker 2>that I usually rely on for many of my investigations

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia. But luckily I know about Alan's two companies.

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<v Speaker 2>I managed to find two documents on the companies. Those

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<v Speaker 2>are the documents I was looking at earlier. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>say who directs these businesses. I'm certain these are Allan's companies,

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<v Speaker 2>though they match with the company names shareholders found and

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<v Speaker 2>also the US law firm that Alan used sometimes, Dwayne

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<v Speaker 2>Morris was listed as being involved in starting the companies.

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<v Speaker 2>When I tell Leah, the ex FBI agent, about the

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<v Speaker 2>Allan Metcalf case, she tells me.

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<v Speaker 6>This it may even be that he set up businesses

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<v Speaker 6>there because it's confidential, but the money isn't necessarily in

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<v Speaker 6>the British versions.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a gut punch after feeling like I was

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<v Speaker 2>so close to the end of the rainbow. Now it

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<v Speaker 2>seems that was nothing but naive optimism, So the money

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<v Speaker 2>might not be there after all, and possibly it never was. Effectively,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm back to square one. Frustrated, I

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<v Speaker 2>decide to pick lee as brains on what I should

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<v Speaker 2>do next. Where do I start? I've got this, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>deceased man with forty nine million dollars to his name,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of investors who are wondering where the

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<v Speaker 2>money's are gone. So where do I start? Where would

0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:22.000
<v Speaker 2>you start?

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<v Speaker 6>All of this tracing money typically comes from bank statements,

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<v Speaker 6>credit card statements, and so my experience of tracing money

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<v Speaker 6>is really broad because it all comes from the same

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<v Speaker 6>type of information typically, and it's the same whether it's

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<v Speaker 6>in a divorce or some sort of partnership dispute, or

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<v Speaker 6>some sort of con artist criminal case, civil case. I

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<v Speaker 6>think what makes kind of what you're doing interesting is

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<v Speaker 6>that you don't have access to that information. So trace

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<v Speaker 6>money in the way that I'm talking about that's what

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<v Speaker 6>you would need, some sort of lawsuit from the victims

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<v Speaker 6>or a lot enforcement agency. However, all is not lost

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<v Speaker 6>because the same thing. You can kind of work these

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<v Speaker 6>things backwards. So maybe I'm probably getting ahead of your questions,

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<v Speaker 6>but maybe you know you don't have bank statements credit

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:16.160
<v Speaker 6>card statements to work from. But I have thought through

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:19.600
<v Speaker 6>several ways that you can kind of back into that information.

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<v Speaker 6>So I realized some of these things may not be

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<v Speaker 6>available because it happens so long ago. But I think

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<v Speaker 6>it would be really interesting if any of the investors

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<v Speaker 6>still have copies of any of the wires or checks

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<v Speaker 6>that they wrote to him, and to see if they

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<v Speaker 6>got a copy of that canceled check or information from

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<v Speaker 6>the bank that might tell you and them where their

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<v Speaker 6>money was deposited.

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<v Speaker 2>As Lee is talking, I make a note to follow

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<v Speaker 2>up and see if any of the investors I've spoken

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<v Speaker 2>to have got this kind of paperwork. I do know

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<v Speaker 2>some of the investors still have records of their bank transfer.

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<v Speaker 2>When I follow them up, I learned that Alan had

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<v Speaker 2>set up two bank accounts, a Commonwealth Bank account going

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<v Speaker 2>to a Brisbane branch and also a City Bank one

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<v Speaker 2>in California. For American investors.

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<v Speaker 6>Did he have an office. If he had an office,

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<v Speaker 6>did he pay for a lease? If he has a lease,

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<v Speaker 6>can you get a copy of that please?

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:20.240
<v Speaker 2>I keep making notes. Alan briefly had offices in Irvine, California,

0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 2>but the landlord won't tell me anything. Later I would

0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:27.919
<v Speaker 2>have more luck with Alan's Australian landlords. Alan had an

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 2>office in the city center of Brisbane. The owner tells me.

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 8>It looks like metcalf Ibs. Safeworld moved into three hundred

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:38.840
<v Speaker 8>and twenty Adelaide Street on the twenty ninth of December

0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:41.720
<v Speaker 8>in two thousand and six. They didn't commence paying the

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:45.520
<v Speaker 8>lease until January twenty fifth, two thousand and seven, due

0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 8>to early access incentive. It was a ten desk private

0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 8>office with an internal meeting room and reception area. The

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 8>contact on a lot of these records is a Michael

0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 8>bertrand I also found a Mary metcalf working for Safeworld's

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:04.160
<v Speaker 8>Internet television that vacated in around twenty eighteen. I do

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:06.679
<v Speaker 8>have the bond and lease amounts for these tenants, but

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 8>due to privacy, we were preferred not to disclose those amounts.

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:12.960
<v Speaker 8>But from what I can see, these were all paid

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:13.400
<v Speaker 8>in full.

0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:17.000
<v Speaker 2>When I look from Michael bertrand online, I find one

0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:20.439
<v Speaker 2>that could fit the bill. Investors have been searching for

0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:24.120
<v Speaker 2>the accountant of Safe Worlds, wanting to ask this unknown

0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:28.520
<v Speaker 2>person some hard questions. Could this be him? When I

0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:31.679
<v Speaker 2>reach out, though multiple times, he never gets back to me.

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Whoever he is, it doesn't change the fact that Alan's

0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Brisbane office was in a good location. It was a

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:41.680
<v Speaker 2>big office, enough room for ten people to work in there,

0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:45.640
<v Speaker 2>and in an expensive part of the city. The landlord

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 2>says the rent was between six thousand to eight thousand

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 2>dollars a month. That means Alan paid around eighty four

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars a year, So for the ten years the

0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:57.240
<v Speaker 2>office was rented out, it would have totaled something close

0:28:57.280 --> 0:29:00.600
<v Speaker 2>to a million dollars. Now, that would count for some

0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 2>of the money Alan's investors put into the business, but

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:06.880
<v Speaker 2>not the whole forty nine million dollars, not by a

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 2>long shot. As I feel Leah in on everything I know,

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 2>she points something else.

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 6>Out Pennsylvania, where his business was registered in the States.

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:20.080
<v Speaker 6>It is a state that is very favorable to like

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 6>privacy and things like that. Interesting proof that you are

0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 6>still in business. A lot of times people will set

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 6>up companies in Delaware, and I believe Nevada maybe as well,

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 6>because they will also have some of those like really

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:39.760
<v Speaker 6>protective you know, you can't find out as much information

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 6>about it. So again it's just like another why set

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 6>up there, especially if you're not from there. It's kind

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 6>of an odd place to set something up.

0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 2>Learning all this makes me wonder. Several people have claimed

0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 2>that Alan wasn't a fraud, just incombatant and that Safefood

0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 2>was just mismanaged. From what Leah is saying, though, it

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 2>seems like Alan was pretty business savvy, like he knew

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 2>exactly what he was doing and then suddenly he died.

0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 2>After Alan's death, it seems like his plans started to unravel.

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 2>His wife, Mary had to make sense of what he

0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:19.360
<v Speaker 2>left behind. She was left footing the bill for a

0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 2>substantial debt. I put in a freedom of information request

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 2>to the Fair Work On Budsman, an Australian government department

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:30.320
<v Speaker 2>that deals with workplace disputes. I had no idea what

0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 2>I would find if anything, but my request strikes gold.

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 2>I learned that a full time Safeworlds employee had left

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 2>the company but never received their final wages they were

0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:45.479
<v Speaker 2>owed forty one thousand dollars. They'd been trying unsuccessfully for

0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 2>three years to recover their lost money while Mary was

0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:52.840
<v Speaker 2>the new boss. In twenty nineteen, they lodged a formal

0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:56.600
<v Speaker 2>complaint with the Fair Work On Budsmen. Safeworlds haven't done

0:30:56.640 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 2>a single payment after I left, the worker wrote, please

0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 2>help me get my unpaid salary. Mary Metcalf told the

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Fair Work On Budsman that her company was experiencing cash

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 2>flow issues and she was trying to sell Safefworld's assets

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 2>to repay them. The matter has since been marked as resolved,

0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:19.720
<v Speaker 2>so presumably this person was paid. Remember Rod McKay, the

0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:23.200
<v Speaker 2>hardcore investor from Geraldton we heard from in the last

0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 2>two episodes who recruited four hundred and fifty others from

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:30.480
<v Speaker 2>his hometown and then sent a string of wild emails

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:33.960
<v Speaker 2>casting doubt on the whole Irish deal. This might jog

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 2>your memory.

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 9>You have overseen the demise of a fifty million dollar

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:42.200
<v Speaker 9>company made up predominantly of mum and Dad investors.

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 2>He issued the company a new threat, saying if there

0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 2>was no implementation of a marketing strategy for the sale

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 2>of Safe.

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:51.880
<v Speaker 9>Worlds, a class action may well result.

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 2>At the same time, Charlie Weinbein, an investor from the Netherlands,

0:31:57.000 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 2>was also getting increasingly desperate. He's the one who tipped

0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 2>me off to this scheme in the first place. He

0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 2>and his wife put all their spare cash into Safe

0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Worlds in twenty thirteen. The Dutchman has been trying for

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.840
<v Speaker 2>a decade to find out what happened and if you'll

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:14.720
<v Speaker 2>ever see a scent of his missing money. In twenty

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 2>twenty two, he decided to engage a lawyer.

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 3>We were having a few beers together with a friend

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 3>of mine who is a lawyer, and I explained him

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 3>the whole situation with Safe world and I said I

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:28.040
<v Speaker 3>wanted a lawyer to write a letter just to get

0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 3>more information, because all I wanted to know is where

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 3>is the money, where is the investment, and what is

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 3>the investment and who are the investors. That's all the

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 3>information that I really wanted to note. But the reaction

0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 3>that I got back was, of course, that there was

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 3>no way that I was going to see or hear anything.

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 3>I didn't get any direct answer at all, and that

0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:54.440
<v Speaker 3>says enough for me. That says enough.

0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:57.600
<v Speaker 2>That's not a good sign This lawyer sent off several

0:32:57.680 --> 0:32:59.200
<v Speaker 2>legal letters in twenty twenty two.

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 9>There never has been any proof of investing my client's

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:04.800
<v Speaker 9>money as promised. My client has now come to a

0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:07.520
<v Speaker 9>point where he no longer accepts any excuse not to

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 9>refund his money. Therefore, I summon you to immediately return

0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 9>his invested money of fifty two thousand Australian dollars as

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 9>otherwise we will have no other choice than to take

0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 9>you to court.

0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 10>Mary replied, this was obviously a startup company with the

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:26.360
<v Speaker 10>hope of early success, but of course without any guarantee.

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 10>There never were, nor are there funds set aside to

0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:33.240
<v Speaker 10>fulfill such a non existent guarantee.

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Lacking the funds, Charlie did not go to court. He

0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 2>doesn't think he'll be getting his money back, but he's

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:42.720
<v Speaker 2>still fighting. Just a few months after his legal bid

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 2>failed and he received this response from Mary, Charlie reached

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:47.800
<v Speaker 2>out to me to see if I could help him.

0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 2>I met Mary Metcalf at her house in the Flesh

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:54.320
<v Speaker 2>last episode. But after everything I've now learned, there's so

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 2>much more I want to ask her, so I email

0:33:57.040 --> 0:33:58.720
<v Speaker 2>Mary a long list of questions.

0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 10>Dear Miss Cohen in addition to your surprise visit to

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:06.880
<v Speaker 10>my home and subsequent email, I must tell you that

0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:10.840
<v Speaker 10>I am in no position financially to respond in detail

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 10>to your various interrogations. I frankly have no confidence that

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 10>the facts will be reported fairly and properly. However, I

0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 10>do refer you to the details in my previous emails,

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:26.440
<v Speaker 10>the information I gave to ASEIK, and the reports I

0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 10>try to provide to shareholders regularly. Yours, sincerely, Mary metcalf ps.

0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:35.520
<v Speaker 10>There never has been any bank accounts in Cayman or

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:39.359
<v Speaker 10>British Virgin Islands. The suggestion is just not true and

0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:40.360
<v Speaker 10>very upsetting.

0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't expecting a thesis in return, but wow, this

0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:48.359
<v Speaker 2>response just makes me have more questions. So she says

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 2>she's not in a position financially to respond. Does that

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 2>mean Mary doesn't have any money at all? Does the

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 2>company not have any money? If so, where's the forty

0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:01.760
<v Speaker 2>nine million gone? And she says there are no Cayman

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:05.880
<v Speaker 2>or Virgin Island bank accounts. I guess what I've found

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:09.480
<v Speaker 2>proved that the companies were registered there, but not necessarily

0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:12.760
<v Speaker 2>that there were bank accounts set up overseas. So doesn't

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 2>mean the money isn't there either. When I replied to her,

0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:18.919
<v Speaker 2>hoping to at least clarify all of this, she never

0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 2>gets back to me. It's really frustrating. I feel like

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:25.319
<v Speaker 2>I've just been on a big loop. And while I

0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:27.440
<v Speaker 2>have more of an idea of what Allan was up

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:31.000
<v Speaker 2>to after this line of investigation, still no solid lead

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:34.759
<v Speaker 2>and what he did with all the money. Investors occasionally

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:37.920
<v Speaker 2>receive an email from Mary telling them she's still looking

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:40.800
<v Speaker 2>for buyers and that's all they ever hear about Safe Worlds.

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:45.440
<v Speaker 2>The most recent one was in January this year. Michael Blake,

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:48.120
<v Speaker 2>the former footy player who was once one of the

0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:52.000
<v Speaker 2>largest supporters of Safe Worlds, gave the business three hundred

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:55.719
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars of his and his family's fortune. Now he

0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 2>thinks it will take a miracle to ever see that again.

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:03.279
<v Speaker 11>I don't know she's trying to sell, or how she's

0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:07.040
<v Speaker 11>getting her contacts, or if she's going out to meetings

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:11.279
<v Speaker 11>or whatever. You know, if something happens which will be

0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 11>way at a left field, in a miracle, it would

0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:15.279
<v Speaker 11>be it would be nice.

0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:16.400
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:19.760
<v Speaker 2>All these years since Alan first made these grand plans,

0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 2>Michael is wondering what happened to the secret code he

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:26.960
<v Speaker 2>talked about that was supposed to revolutionize the world and

0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 2>make all the investors rich in the process. You might

0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:33.680
<v Speaker 2>remember him questioning this in the very first episode.

0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 11>As far as I understand, he had the algorithm in

0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:42.560
<v Speaker 11>a safety secure box or something in the Cayman Islands

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 11>that was for the protection of the algorithm, and he

0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:48.440
<v Speaker 11>gifted it to charity if something happened to him and

0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 11>Mary or whatever. He was very protective of it. He

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:54.800
<v Speaker 11>always said if it got in the wrong hand, it

0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:55.840
<v Speaker 11>could destroy the world.

0:36:56.680 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Mary strongly denies this, saying that the source code has

0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:03.120
<v Speaker 2>never been located in the Cayman Islands. But this seems

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:06.080
<v Speaker 2>to contradict what other investors have heard and what Allan

0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 2>himself said. Another investor, Phil Bardon, originally from Geraldon but

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 2>who's now based in Perth, is also feeling frustrated.

0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:18.399
<v Speaker 5>I don't trust many people nowadays. I don't buy shares either.

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 5>There's a lesson that you'll learn.

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Phil remembers Alan telling him something interesting at one of

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:25.840
<v Speaker 2>the conferences in Perth, Western Australia.

0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:28.800
<v Speaker 5>At this meeting, people are, I think questions and he

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:33.799
<v Speaker 5>wouldn't answer it. And one stage, I said, okay, if

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 5>I went passes, what happens to the secret he's got?

0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:40.920
<v Speaker 5>And they were told, I'm a thing by Alan Lloyd's

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 5>what that was in a safe somewhere? I see if

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:47.799
<v Speaker 5>he dies tomorrow, what's going to happen all this information?

0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:50.400
<v Speaker 5>And I was told that, oh, it's in a safe

0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 5>in a safe place.

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:53.720
<v Speaker 10>Did they say where?

0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:57.320
<v Speaker 5>No, didn't say. But it just seems so far fast

0:37:58.040 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 5>that I questioned it, basically only months after I invested

0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:05.320
<v Speaker 5>the money, because they were saying it's in a safe place,

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:07.319
<v Speaker 5>and what does that mean?

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:12.840
<v Speaker 2>A few hours north of Perth in Geralton, Phil's cousin,

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Warren Bondon, is also having his own serious doubts.

0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:19.359
<v Speaker 11>Another thing that worried me when Alan was in Drip

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 11>and he made a statement that the company takes a

0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:24.959
<v Speaker 11>lot of money to kick down. It's taken two hundred

0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:27.880
<v Speaker 11>and fifty thousand dollars a month. He said that in public,

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 11>and I thought, well, it can't be possible.

0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:35.240
<v Speaker 2>Even paying rent and wages. It seems hard to believe

0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:38.640
<v Speaker 2>that Safe Words was costing that much a month. But

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:41.800
<v Speaker 2>even if Alan had been spending two hundred and fifty

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars a month on the business. That's three million

0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:47.920
<v Speaker 2>dollars a year. So in the ten years he was

0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:51.960
<v Speaker 2>trying to develop the software, that's thirty million dollars, So

0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:55.879
<v Speaker 2>still a deficit of at least nineteen million dollars. Where

0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 2>did the rest of it go? Alan had everything planned out,

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:06.560
<v Speaker 2>registering offshore businesses, navigating tricky, non transparent tax jurisdictions, now

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 2>being prime offers real estate in the heart of a

0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 2>major Australian city. Everything had been thought through, everything except

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:17.880
<v Speaker 2>his succession plans. It got Warren and a few others thinking.

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:20.520
<v Speaker 1>People said, he's probably over there and enjoying his money,

0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:21.920
<v Speaker 1>over in somehwland somewhere.

0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:25.040
<v Speaker 2>To be honest, the first time I heard Warren say this,

0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:28.680
<v Speaker 2>I kind of dismissed it. Alan was dead, or at

0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:32.440
<v Speaker 2>least he had a funeral. But now, after following the

0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:34.920
<v Speaker 2>trail of the missing forty nine million to the British

0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Virgin Islands and the Cayman Islands, I feel like I

0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:40.880
<v Speaker 2>know less about it than when I started. I find

0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:44.399
<v Speaker 2>myself going back to what Warren said about Alan living

0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:48.160
<v Speaker 2>large on an island and asking myself, could it be possible?

0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Is Alan really still alive? And has he got his

0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:55.320
<v Speaker 2>money with him. That's next time on the Missing forty

0:39:55.400 --> 0:40:00.239
<v Speaker 2>nine million, that.

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 12>Did right back and said, I hope it's going to

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<v Speaker 12>be an open casket, And people are like, that's pretty

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<v Speaker 12>heavy thing to say. But now looking back at it,

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<v Speaker 12>he probably had every right to ask, because I don't know.

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<v Speaker 12>No one knows exactly if he's one hundred percent that

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<v Speaker 12>there's no bed, no destiny, you have proven to any

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<v Speaker 12>investors anything like that.

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<v Speaker 11>A couple of people just say, are you sure he's dead?

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<v Speaker 11>Should we go and dig up the coffin.

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<v Speaker 13>You have to be extremely clever and you have to

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<v Speaker 13>have a lot of discipline to be able to fake

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<v Speaker 13>your own death, because you know, you've got to cut

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<v Speaker 13>everything out of your life, even family. You have to

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<v Speaker 13>start again somewhere under a new assumed identity, and once

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<v Speaker 13>you do that, there's always a risk.

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