WEBVTT - Reading Through Our Hate Comments 0:00:03.090 --> 0:00:06.689 Hello and welcome to Outspoken Plus. It's your extra dose 0:00:06.790 --> 0:00:10.289 of the hottest influencer and pop culture news. I'm Kate Torber. 0:00:10.530 --> 0:00:14.460 And I'm Sophie Torber. And happy seventh birthday to us. 0:00:14.810 --> 0:00:18.459 I cannot believe that Outspoken is seven years old. I 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:20.540 actually had to put it in my calendar because I 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.000 keep forgetting the day. I'm like, I know roughly we 0:00:23.020 --> 0:00:27.420 started it in July 2019. But when the notification popped up, 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:31.470 I was like, wow. That's crazy. 2019 feels like a 0:00:31.550 --> 0:00:34.480 long time ago now when you think about it. I mean, 0:00:34.490 --> 0:00:36.520 we hadn't even been through COVID. We were still in 0:00:36.580 --> 0:00:39.600 our 20s. I remember I was freaking out about turning 30. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:41.720 I mean, I feel like we've really grown up on 0:00:41.740 --> 0:00:44.400 this podcast because yes, we were 29 when we started. 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:47.560 We had boyfriends at the time. I mean, you'd only 0:00:47.580 --> 0:00:50.479 just started dating your partner, hadn't you, Kate? Yeah. Amy 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:52.769 and I were living together and you had just moved out. 0:00:52.850 --> 0:00:55.070 So Part of the reason why we started the podcast 0:00:55.090 --> 0:00:56.930 was so we had time to actually hang out, like 0:00:56.970 --> 0:00:58.870 an excuse to hang out. Yeah. I mean, I didn't 0:00:58.910 --> 0:01:01.350 even have my dog Archie then. Like we didn't have 0:01:01.410 --> 0:01:04.390 our kids. We hadn't bought our houses. We hadn't had 0:01:04.450 --> 0:01:06.800 our weddings. Like I actually want to go back and 0:01:06.819 --> 0:01:08.900 listen to some of our early episodes. I'll probably cringe 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:10.860 because they're that bad. Yeah. I actually don't want to 0:01:10.900 --> 0:01:12.820 do that to myself. And I'm annoyed that you've brought 0:01:12.860 --> 0:01:14.300 it up because I don't want listeners to go back 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:16.300 and listen either. Well, I'm almost having a bit of 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:18.740 PTSD because I thought it would be fun to go 0:01:19.220 --> 0:01:21.090 And have a look at some of the reviews we've 0:01:21.140 --> 0:01:23.840 received over the past seven years. Everyone knows I'm the 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:26.319 queen of reviews. I always go and check them out. 0:01:26.380 --> 0:01:29.040 And you're not talking about nice reviews, because you don't 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.319 even notice those ones. You only hone in on the 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:33.380 negative reviews. And for a long time, people have been 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:36.380 asking us, oh, can you do a segment where you 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.400 read out your mean reviews, similar to that late night 0:01:38.420 --> 0:01:40.620 show that did the celebrities reading the mean tweet. So 0:01:40.660 --> 0:01:42.660 here it is today. Well, I actually feel like I'm 0:01:42.700 --> 0:01:45.200 almost sweating a bit because I've gone back in time 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:49.770 and I'm cringing thinking about Maybe these people had a point. 0:01:50.110 --> 0:01:52.610 This is the tricky thing because there's three of us 0:01:52.690 --> 0:01:55.200 and we all have different opinions. Sometimes we get slammed 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.020 for someone else's opinion and you're like, well, I don't 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:00.400 even agree with that. I'm getting these negative reviews about it. Also, 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.980 over the seven years, as we've established, a lot of 0:02:03.020 --> 0:02:05.940 things change in our lives. we grew up a lot 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.740 and you also become better at what you do and 0:02:08.780 --> 0:02:11.040 trying to see all points of view. Well, you hope 0:02:11.060 --> 0:02:13.350 you can become better. Well, I actually forgot. So when 0:02:13.389 --> 0:02:16.490 we started, I think we had the tagline that we 0:02:16.530 --> 0:02:18.890 have the opinion that most people won't say or something 0:02:18.930 --> 0:02:21.270 like it was, do you remember what was it? We'll 0:02:21.290 --> 0:02:24.750 say what you're thinking or something along those lines. And 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.100 a lot of people are like, wow, I wasn't thinking that. 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:30.380 I'm like, oh, okay. It's also funny to think what 0:02:30.460 --> 0:02:33.460 our relationship with influencers was like at the time because 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.000 I'd say we were kind of fangirls and we were 0:02:36.100 --> 0:02:39.160 big Sarah's Day fans. And being involved in the podcast 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.119 and covering all of those controversies that she was involved 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.179 in at the time, it was kind of like a 0:02:44.220 --> 0:02:49.120 light bulb moment. I remember when that Moroccan pillow drama happened. 0:02:49.650 --> 0:02:51.930 And I had to fight with you and Amy and 0:02:51.970 --> 0:02:54.639 be like, no, this is how we're going to cover it. 0:02:54.710 --> 0:02:57.770 You guys are being fangirls. You need to realize that 0:02:57.830 --> 0:03:00.350 this was not a good thing. Oh, there's a couple 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:02.139 of comments where they're like, I can't believe you guys 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:03.960 are sticking up for Sarah's day. And I was like, oh, 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.780 it's funny how our views have evolved, as you say, Kate. Anyway, 0:03:07.220 --> 0:03:09.459 I'm actually going to kick things off with a positive review. 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:13.130 And this is a shout out to OG. listener, Rodney. 0:03:13.450 --> 0:03:16.250 So I smiled to myself because he was one of 0:03:16.290 --> 0:03:18.330 the first people to leave us a review and he wrote, 0:03:18.669 --> 0:03:21.040 I'm pretty sure 45 year old men are not the 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.100 target demographic for this podcast, but for some reason I 0:03:24.139 --> 0:03:26.540 keep tuning in for their take on current events and 0:03:26.580 --> 0:03:29.440 some of their fun interviews. Well done on a thoughtful 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:33.019 and entertaining podcast. So thank you. It's funny because as 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:37.530 someone who is an avid viewer of our reviews, quite 0:03:37.690 --> 0:03:40.529 often we're people go and change their review. So I'll 0:03:40.550 --> 0:03:42.850 see it, the same name pop up over time and 0:03:43.010 --> 0:03:46.210 they've suddenly decided to write another nasty one. But thank you, Rodney, 0:03:46.250 --> 0:03:49.870 for keeping it nice. The same nice comment for six 0:03:49.910 --> 0:03:53.880 years or seven years. Let's get into another comment. So 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.840 the title is Basic. This podcast is try hard shameless, 0:03:57.940 --> 0:04:01.660 except the hosts are bland, immature and boring. Honestly, their 0:04:01.740 --> 0:04:05.160 attitudes remind me of high school level bullying. Definitely would 0:04:05.220 --> 0:04:07.880 recommend to skip out of this podcast if you haven't 0:04:07.940 --> 0:04:11.640 listened yet. It is insufferable content. When was that one written? 0:04:11.660 --> 0:04:13.960 It says six years ago, but I actually think these 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.360 are supposed to say seven years ago. Oh, I'm glad 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:19.030 it's not a recent one. But I mean, these are 0:04:19.070 --> 0:04:21.150 all from the archives. The ones I've started to read 0:04:21.290 --> 0:04:23.650 out are the ones from 2019. I mean, that was 0:04:23.770 --> 0:04:27.830 quite a common thread that people would compare us to Shameless. 0:04:27.850 --> 0:04:30.390 And obviously, we were pretty incomparable at the time. I mean, 0:04:30.410 --> 0:04:34.099 Shameless were massive they had honed their craft. And yes, 0:04:34.150 --> 0:04:36.560 we weren't as good as Shameless. Yeah, there were also 0:04:36.620 --> 0:04:39.279 a lot of reviews referring to Shameless because we decided 0:04:39.380 --> 0:04:43.080 to critique Shameless and the way that they evolved as 0:04:43.140 --> 0:04:45.609 a podcast and how they stopped talking about influencer culture. 0:04:45.930 --> 0:04:48.490 So here is another review. This is a copycat of 0:04:48.529 --> 0:04:51.950 Shameless without the intelligence of the Shameless host. The critique 0:04:52.010 --> 0:04:54.599 in the recent episode of Shameless was really tactless and 0:04:54.620 --> 0:04:57.180 shows how much less grace and nuance the hosts have. 0:04:57.540 --> 0:05:03.310 Compared to Shameless. Unsurprising how unsuccessful this podcast is. What 0:05:03.930 --> 0:05:06.490 I don't get is at the time, we literally had 0:05:06.550 --> 0:05:11.030 like 500 to 1,000 people listening. And even though we 0:05:11.070 --> 0:05:14.370 were the underdogs, people were really mad at us for 0:05:14.410 --> 0:05:17.960 that take on Shameless. But also in saying that, I 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:19.760 think it kind of put us on the map. And 0:05:19.820 --> 0:05:21.740 a lot of people who agreed with us at the 0:05:21.779 --> 0:05:25.020 time became longtime listeners of the show. And we've noticed 0:05:25.060 --> 0:05:28.210 that as a thread. Over the years, we've ruffled feathers 0:05:28.230 --> 0:05:30.570 with influencers and they might have called us out on 0:05:30.610 --> 0:05:34.130 their platforms. But funnily enough, that's actually really beneficial for 0:05:34.190 --> 0:05:35.990 us because a lot of the people that follow them 0:05:36.070 --> 0:05:39.610 that are probably hate following the influencers then come across 0:05:39.830 --> 0:05:43.030 and start being avid listeners of our podcast. Yeah, I 0:05:43.170 --> 0:05:44.589 do want to point out that a lot of people 0:05:44.730 --> 0:05:48.349 were actually applauding our episode on the Shameless podcast and 0:05:48.390 --> 0:05:51.650 saying that we were bang on. So the next review says, 0:05:51.750 --> 0:05:54.589 not sure it's possible to find anything more irritating than 0:05:54.610 --> 0:05:58.390 three adult, in capitals, women talking about their boyfriends that 0:05:58.410 --> 0:06:02.500 we don't know for an entire episode and bickering like schoolgirls. 0:06:02.740 --> 0:06:04.320 I want to go back and listen to this episode. 0:06:04.339 --> 0:06:07.200 I can't even remember what we said. Even hearing the 0:06:07.220 --> 0:06:10.360 word boyfriend, that was what made me be like, oh, wow, like, 0:06:10.900 --> 0:06:13.720 they were only our boyfriends then. It's interesting because as 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.880 you've mentioned, we started Outspoken when we were 29 and 0:06:16.900 --> 0:06:18.880 there was a lot of emphasis on the fact that 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:20.930 we were turning 30 soon and kind of freaking out 0:06:20.990 --> 0:06:25.550 about it. And I actually think even being so young 0:06:25.610 --> 0:06:27.830 and 29 and 30, that there was a lot of 0:06:28.029 --> 0:06:31.010 age shaming going on in our comment section. It was like, oh, 0:06:31.070 --> 0:06:35.950 how dare these 29 year old ancient women have a 0:06:35.990 --> 0:06:38.229 podcast and an opinion on things. Like now that we're 37, 0:06:38.230 --> 0:06:41.470 I'm like, oh, we were absolute babies. I know. Now 0:06:41.490 --> 0:06:44.850 we've moved into 2020. This one is entitled Pathetic. This 0:06:44.910 --> 0:06:48.210 is really disappointing. You girls seem to thrive off negativity 0:06:48.310 --> 0:06:51.730 and genuinely enjoy downgrading other people. This is the first 0:06:51.830 --> 0:06:55.710 episode I'm listening to and it's just outright rude. Another said, 0:06:55.810 --> 0:06:58.140 embarrassing to listen to. If you want to listen to 0:06:58.180 --> 0:07:01.000 three girls tearing down other women who are successful, then 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.400 backing it up with, we are journalists, that's why we 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:08.270 do it, Go ahead. Cringe, embarrassing and hateful podcast. This 0:07:08.290 --> 0:07:11.690 has been a common theme. If you're a female and 0:07:11.710 --> 0:07:14.720 you have a podcast and you talk about another woman's actions, 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:18.600 you're always accused of tearing other women down. And it 0:07:18.620 --> 0:07:20.900 just annoys me. It's like, oh, okay, because we're all female. 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:24.870 We're not allowed to critique someone who is also female. Secondly... 0:07:24.870 --> 0:07:27.270 If that's what the person believes, then why are they 0:07:27.290 --> 0:07:29.680 tearing us down in our reviews? Like, isn't that hypocritical? 0:07:29.700 --> 0:07:32.020 You know what? I mean, I was piecing things together 0:07:32.060 --> 0:07:34.700 looking at these ones from 2020 and it was when 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.640 we focused, I think we had a segment on influencer 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:39.580 Madison Bulley. So I think a lot of these comments 0:07:39.620 --> 0:07:42.150 came from her friends because another one said, outright bullying, 0:07:42.190 --> 0:07:44.310 find a better hobby than talking about people you do 0:07:44.370 --> 0:07:47.430 not know. This one made me laugh. These three sounded 0:07:47.470 --> 0:07:49.770 like jealous women who were still not over the fact 0:07:49.810 --> 0:07:53.900 that they attended public schools, unlike some influencers. I've never 0:07:53.940 --> 0:07:56.860 been a fan of influencer culture. However, their podcast comes 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:01.460 across as nasty, tone deaf and bullying in nature. Yuck. Yeah, 0:08:01.500 --> 0:08:03.170 I'm pretty proud that I went to a public school, 0:08:03.210 --> 0:08:06.450 to be honest. Public and proud. Clearly written by someone 0:08:06.470 --> 0:08:08.170 who went to a private school and thinks they're better 0:08:08.190 --> 0:08:11.170 than everyone because they did so. Well, this was now 0:08:11.230 --> 0:08:13.570 a critique about editing, which I probably had to tend 0:08:13.590 --> 0:08:16.200 to agree with at the time. Someone wrote, lately, the 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.060 edits have been horrendous. Double takes left in ads that 0:08:19.100 --> 0:08:21.720 just cut in over the top of a conversation. Also, 0:08:21.740 --> 0:08:24.000 I don't think there is a depth of knowledge around 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.260 topics that are very important to be clear on. A 0:08:27.300 --> 0:08:29.720 couple of years ago, we had a lot of negative 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.950 reviews because there was this ad that was voiced by 0:08:33.130 --> 0:08:37.140 Art Simon, who's a drag performer. And basically there was 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:42.230 an error on our network's behalf where it just kept playing. 0:08:42.450 --> 0:08:44.630 Like we actually didn't get paid anything for it. It 0:08:44.650 --> 0:08:47.849 was a full mistake. And just like out of nowhere, 0:08:47.890 --> 0:08:49.510 this fucking ad would cut in and I was like, 0:08:49.670 --> 0:08:52.210 I am Art Simone. And everyone was just like, could 0:08:52.230 --> 0:08:55.010 you stop playing that fucking ad? And we're like, I 0:08:55.050 --> 0:08:57.490 didn't even know what's happening here. Like we were like, 0:08:57.610 --> 0:08:59.970 surely that ad's run out by now. But yeah, I mean- 0:09:00.550 --> 0:09:02.069 I think we should have got paid for that because, 0:09:02.429 --> 0:09:04.230 I mean, it clearly got in people's heads. I mean, 0:09:04.270 --> 0:09:06.730 I felt like we were owed something because we got 0:09:06.770 --> 0:09:08.950 all these negative reviews and it was not our fault 0:09:09.090 --> 0:09:12.290 at all. Someone else wrote, such a bittersweet love of 0:09:12.350 --> 0:09:15.610 this podcast. Love some topics covered and just general opinions 0:09:15.650 --> 0:09:18.890 about social media. Hate that sometimes the girls just ramble 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.100 on such annoying topics and go on real tangents. Also 0:09:22.150 --> 0:09:24.640 find myself skipping through a lot of the episodes. Please 0:09:24.700 --> 0:09:28.000 start timestamping. Please. I mean, we still don't timestamp, do we? 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:30.920 Apple and Spotify now do it automatically. So it's very 0:09:30.940 --> 0:09:32.500 helpful for people who don't want to listen to us 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.480 rambling on. I've now skipped forward to 2021. Now someone 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.250 suggested to skip the pit and peak segment that we 0:09:38.300 --> 0:09:40.829 used to have. They said, not interested. Listen for the 0:09:40.910 --> 0:09:44.130 influencer slash pop culture updates, not for personal stories. Now 0:09:44.429 --> 0:09:46.270 that really did play on our mind because we ended 0:09:46.330 --> 0:09:48.950 up getting rid of our intro for quite some time 0:09:48.990 --> 0:09:50.770 at the start because we would usually catch up on 0:09:50.809 --> 0:09:52.709 what we'd been up to. Yeah, this has been a 0:09:52.730 --> 0:09:55.710 bone of contention because when I listen to podcasts, I 0:09:55.750 --> 0:09:59.910 actually am interested in the host's personal lives And I always. 0:09:59.950 --> 0:10:02.050 think it's good to include little bits here and there. 0:10:02.110 --> 0:10:04.569 That's why we moved that segment or that style of 0:10:04.610 --> 0:10:07.600 segment to the end of our Friday shows. And then 0:10:07.620 --> 0:10:10.099 we ended up getting rid of it completely. But it 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.560 would be interesting to know if people actually do enjoy 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:14.540 hearing a little bit of an update. I've just found 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.000 another one. I've never written a podcast review and don't 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:18.660 want to be brutal, but I think there needs to 0:10:18.700 --> 0:10:21.580 be less talking about the girl's own mundane life problem 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.579 slash boring chat at the beginning. We heard about Easter eggs, 0:10:24.660 --> 0:10:28.080 Christmas decorations and now losing keys. If the episodes jumped 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.550 straight into the stories, it would be so much better. See, 0:10:30.690 --> 0:10:33.330 this just plays on my own fears that I have 0:10:33.370 --> 0:10:35.990 boring stories to tell. Because whenever we're in a phase 0:10:36.030 --> 0:10:38.390 where we're like, oh yeah, we should bring up personal updates. 0:10:38.429 --> 0:10:40.530 Whenever I bring something up, you and Amy are like, no, 0:10:40.550 --> 0:10:42.770 that's so fucking boring. Don't say it. I mean, we 0:10:42.830 --> 0:10:45.710 had more interesting lives back then because we were childless. 0:10:45.750 --> 0:10:47.350 You know what I mean? Like we were out and about, 0:10:47.390 --> 0:10:48.910 like we were... I mean, I was going to say 0:10:48.950 --> 0:10:51.070 whining and dining, but not as such. But I mean, 0:10:51.110 --> 0:10:53.609 even this one, update, please stop discussing your weddings. I 0:10:53.690 --> 0:10:56.250 understand it's important to you. Everyone who gets married or 0:10:56.290 --> 0:10:59.030 has a baby feels exactly the same way. But honestly, 0:10:59.150 --> 0:11:02.640 as a listener, it's a grueling, boring experience. Otherwise, love you. 0:11:03.179 --> 0:11:05.520 And the below review applies. So they had left a 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.340 nicer review before that. It's so funny perspective because now 0:11:08.380 --> 0:11:10.380 that our weddings were like, yours was two years ago, 0:11:10.460 --> 0:11:12.840 mine was three years ago. And now that I'm out 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.420 of that bride phase, I completely agree with that review. Like, 0:11:15.620 --> 0:11:18.179 I do find it boring hearing about other people's weddings. 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.180 So I'm sorry that everyone had to put up with that. Yeah, 0:11:21.230 --> 0:11:22.670 but then there were some people who were like, oh, 0:11:22.710 --> 0:11:24.630 tell us more. We want to know everything. So, I mean, 0:11:24.650 --> 0:11:26.910 you can't keep everyone happy. Oh, this is one that 0:11:26.929 --> 0:11:30.130 I forgot about when we kept apparently pronouncing Kayla Itzenis' 0:11:30.190 --> 0:11:33.890 name wrong. Someone said your Friday episode included multiple incorrect 0:11:33.910 --> 0:11:41.800 pronunciations of Kayla Itzenis' name. It's seriously not that hard, girls. Dot, dot, dot. Again... 0:11:42.110 --> 0:11:44.320 Having the last name Torba, it does piss me off 0:11:44.340 --> 0:11:47.580 when people pronounce it wrong. So, you know. This one 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:51.220 was quite funny. Try hard wannabe C-grade celebs bagging out 0:11:51.380 --> 0:11:54.270 actual C-grade celebs. That one actually irritates me because it 0:11:54.330 --> 0:11:58.350 is so far from the truth. Like. Whenever we have 0:11:58.490 --> 0:12:00.490 anyone come up to us and say, oh, I listened 0:12:00.510 --> 0:12:02.510 to the podcast, I actually thank them for listening because 0:12:02.530 --> 0:12:04.290 I just can't believe people even listen to it. And 0:12:04.410 --> 0:12:06.200 often when I'm out and people come up to me, 0:12:06.410 --> 0:12:08.599 I am looking like absolute shit. And there's a part 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.040 of me that's like offended that they've actually recognized me 0:12:11.179 --> 0:12:13.360 as the same person on our artwork because obviously I 0:12:13.380 --> 0:12:15.579 look much more polished in that. Do you know what? 0:12:15.620 --> 0:12:19.200 This is actually making me realize that the reviews have 0:12:19.220 --> 0:12:21.920 been quite kind to us lately because some people have 0:12:21.970 --> 0:12:24.929 gone absolute ham. So I'm now in, I think, 2022 0:12:24.929 --> 0:12:29.070 and Again, they're playing on the fact that we're in 0:12:29.130 --> 0:12:32.130 our 30s. Weirdly immature for 30 plus. I enjoy some 0:12:32.150 --> 0:12:35.130 of the topics you speak about and enjoy the influencer content. 0:12:35.429 --> 0:12:37.660 But when you discuss your personal lives, I can't seem 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:39.719 to shake the vision that you three would be the 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:43.020 types to tell the teacher they hadn't checked homework or 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:46.540 give me dibba-dobba energy, a bit too straight-edged and PG 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.580 for my taste, in comparison to other podcasts who seem 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.729 mature and are a lot younger, e.g. Shameless. Bet you're 0:12:52.770 --> 0:12:56.949 fun at parties. Another person said... Seriously impossible to listen 0:12:56.990 --> 0:13:00.420 to now. Obviously a group of girls lacking life experience. 0:13:00.780 --> 0:13:02.940 It's hard to believe they are in their 30s. All 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:06.400 their commentary is rude and closed-minded at times. Even to 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:10.830 extremes I cannot comprehend. That first one kind of hit 0:13:10.870 --> 0:13:13.790 a nerve because I don't think I am someone that 0:13:13.830 --> 0:13:16.750 is fun at a party and also we really were 0:13:16.790 --> 0:13:19.410 tipper-doppers at primary school. How did they know? Was this 0:13:19.429 --> 0:13:22.679 someone who went to school with us? I wouldn't say 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:24.679 that we're boring. I'm sorry, but if we were allowed 0:13:24.700 --> 0:13:26.709 to share some of the shit that we've been going through, 0:13:26.750 --> 0:13:29.610 particularly back then, my God, they would have been great stories. 0:13:29.890 --> 0:13:31.689 People used to come up to us and say, your 0:13:31.730 --> 0:13:34.309 life is like a reality show. That is the downside 0:13:34.570 --> 0:13:38.720 of your podcast getting bigger because people you know start listening. 0:13:38.770 --> 0:13:42.090 Because originally when you start a podcast- People kind of 0:13:42.309 --> 0:13:44.630 like when you tell them you're doing a podcast, there's 0:13:44.650 --> 0:13:46.670 this like pity that comes across their face. And I 0:13:46.750 --> 0:13:49.030 even get it now. And I'm sometimes embarrassed to say 0:13:49.100 --> 0:13:51.319 that's what I do because I feel like every man 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.540 and their dog has a podcast. But then when it 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.000 gets to a stage where people realize that it has 0:13:56.020 --> 0:13:59.180 got a listenership, then they start tuning in. And then 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.490 you have to filter the stories that you tell in 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.530 case said person listens or someone tells the person that 0:14:05.550 --> 0:14:09.210 you're talking about. So it gets really annoying because you're like, oh, 0:14:09.290 --> 0:14:11.640 I would love to tell that story. That story is 0:14:11.980 --> 0:14:15.439 so entertaining. But you don't want to invade other people's 0:14:15.500 --> 0:14:18.860 privacy or getting back to them. No, it's really difficult. 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.050 And sometimes the people that you don't expect to listen 0:14:22.070 --> 0:14:23.850 are the ones who end up listening. And that's also 0:14:23.890 --> 0:14:27.370 why sometimes I feel more comfortable telling stories on our 0:14:27.410 --> 0:14:29.730 subs channel because I'm like, well, I know that they're 0:14:29.750 --> 0:14:32.500 not going as far as paying for this. Some people 0:14:32.580 --> 0:14:36.720 brought up our arguing on Mike. Now that's actually quite 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:40.950 funny because on Friday night I reshared a video. I 0:14:41.110 --> 0:14:44.550 think it was from three years ago when we were 0:14:44.570 --> 0:14:47.330 starting to try and film episodes and it popped up 0:14:47.390 --> 0:14:49.110 as a memory on my phone and I was like, oh, 0:14:49.150 --> 0:14:52.250 what's this? I clicked on it straight away. It was 0:14:52.650 --> 0:14:55.470 fuck you and like go fuck yourself and all this. 0:14:55.490 --> 0:14:56.990 And I was like, oh, I've got to put this up. 0:14:57.030 --> 0:14:59.290 This is so funny. I begged you not to share it. 0:14:59.880 --> 0:15:01.780 And at the time, I didn't even know it was 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:04.660 me that was being the realist on there. I was like, oh, 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:06.480 I can't tell if that's me or Amy. But then 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:08.560 when you uploaded it, and originally you said you were 0:15:08.620 --> 0:15:12.380 only uploading it to stories. So I was like, oh, okay, whatever, 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.270 it will disappear. But no, you put it on the grid. 0:15:15.410 --> 0:15:18.110 Like it's there. It's permanent. Well, at least you're not 0:15:18.170 --> 0:15:20.290 in it. It's only my face looking very nonchalant at 0:15:20.330 --> 0:15:23.250 being yelled at. always throws me under the bus. She 0:15:23.290 --> 0:15:26.530 then tags like, oh, Kate Torber going off. And it's like, 0:15:27.010 --> 0:15:29.609 hang on a second. I have that many videos of 0:15:29.670 --> 0:15:32.090 Amy absolutely losing her shit, but they're so bad that 0:15:32.530 --> 0:15:34.910 like maybe we need a compilation video for the past 0:15:34.950 --> 0:15:37.570 seven years. That would be funny. I was actually thinking, 0:15:37.690 --> 0:15:40.670 I wish that we had archived all the arguments that 0:15:40.690 --> 0:15:43.860 we had and we could have made some compilation episode 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.840 because normally once we're done, we just delete the audio file. 0:15:47.170 --> 0:15:48.890 I mean, because people seem to enjoy it. They're like, 0:15:48.930 --> 0:15:50.380 we want more of this. But some people in the 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.400 reviews didn't. One person wrote, their content is good, but 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.340 the hosts are constantly yelling over each other and disagreeing, 0:15:56.380 --> 0:15:59.360 which is hard to listen to. Another said, great content, 0:15:59.380 --> 0:16:02.000 but the shouting and fighting is really hard to listen to. 0:16:02.020 --> 0:16:05.050 I get that. So you've got to be selective with 0:16:05.070 --> 0:16:07.350 the fights that you share because you've got to pick 0:16:07.470 --> 0:16:10.930 one that at least we can look back and laugh. 0:16:10.950 --> 0:16:12.630 Like some of them you'll send me and I'm like, 0:16:12.670 --> 0:16:14.430 I can't even watch it. It's so awful. Yeah, that's 0:16:14.460 --> 0:16:17.120 just vile. Like I actually went back to look at 0:16:17.300 --> 0:16:20.100 more videos from that day and I'd set up my 0:16:20.140 --> 0:16:22.300 camera and I'd gone to the bathroom and it was 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.680 actually just Amy bitching about me behind my back saying, oh, 0:16:25.740 --> 0:16:28.730 she's so arrogant and she's just getting upset because there's 0:16:28.850 --> 0:16:31.390 lines on her face and she doesn't like the lighting. 0:16:31.410 --> 0:16:33.310 And I was like– This is very mean, but I 0:16:33.330 --> 0:16:36.530 probably wouldn't share this again. I'm now up to two 0:16:36.570 --> 0:16:39.970 years ago. So someone said, not terrible, but the constant 0:16:40.010 --> 0:16:44.770 mispronunciation of words. For example, especially, I actually did used 0:16:44.810 --> 0:16:47.270 to say that. I'm sorry. Aren't you all journalists and 0:16:47.290 --> 0:16:50.680 mispronunciation of people's names and places? Also, what is the 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:54.260 constant obsession with obscure UK influencers like Molly May? And 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:56.840 they spelt Molly May incorrectly. I'm sorry. She's not an 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:00.730 obscure influencer. She's the fucking biggest influence in the UK. 0:17:00.990 --> 0:17:03.130 It's funny because when we started the podcast, the whole 0:17:03.170 --> 0:17:04.890 premise was that we were going to talk about things 0:17:04.930 --> 0:17:07.100 that we want to talk about. So Yeah, we will 0:17:07.140 --> 0:17:09.959 talk about UK influencers who we follow and a lot 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.270 of people may not follow them. And it's funny because 0:17:12.290 --> 0:17:14.870 the influencer space has changed that much over the last 0:17:14.910 --> 0:17:18.050 seven years that there is just a saturation of influencers. 0:17:18.690 --> 0:17:21.670 So more likely than not, we're going to start talking 0:17:21.690 --> 0:17:23.930 about people that you may not follow. But I think 0:17:23.950 --> 0:17:27.270 that was back when there was just the core OG influencers. 0:17:27.310 --> 0:17:30.330 I mean, we also get criticized for talking about the 0:17:30.369 --> 0:17:33.270 same people. So you can't win, can you? No, you can't. 0:17:33.730 --> 0:17:35.990 This one made me laugh. It's been left by someone 0:17:36.010 --> 0:17:40.030 called Krispy Kreme Donuts. And it just says, just sad 0:17:40.070 --> 0:17:42.590 how three women can be so sad. Get a life 0:17:42.650 --> 0:17:47.520 and stop talking rubbish. I mean, your name's fucking Krispy Kreme. 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:50.699 I mean, where are the sad ones? I do have 0:17:50.740 --> 0:17:53.260 a bone to pick with Apple. I feel like if 0:17:53.340 --> 0:17:57.400 you're allowed to leave a review... then there should be firstly, 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.879 right of reply. And secondly, the person should have to 0:17:59.920 --> 0:18:03.750 leave their actual name. I agree. I mean, on Spotify, 0:18:03.790 --> 0:18:07.330 there's a right of reply because these people write these 0:18:07.450 --> 0:18:12.830 downright nasty, abusive things. And it's just up there as verbatim. Like, 0:18:12.850 --> 0:18:14.440 you know, someone calls you a bully and you're not 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:17.080 even allowed to defend yourself. See, one of my favorite 0:18:17.100 --> 0:18:20.179 pastimes is actually reading other people's podcast reviews because it 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:23.240 makes me feel better about our own. And my God, 0:18:23.340 --> 0:18:25.920 some of the reviews on Mamma Mia and Shameless, which 0:18:25.980 --> 0:18:30.080 are arguably, well, they factually are the top podcast, the 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:35.600 top female podcast in Australia, are incredibly mean. And I'm like, 0:18:35.940 --> 0:18:38.240 so is it kind of good if you've got mean reviews? Like, 0:18:38.380 --> 0:18:40.480 does that mean you've made it? See, I'm feeling like 0:18:40.500 --> 0:18:42.439 we're kind of irrelevant because, I mean, I feel like 0:18:42.460 --> 0:18:44.420 we were copying so many nasty reviews a couple of 0:18:44.460 --> 0:18:45.939 years ago. Now we don't get many. I mean, we're 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:47.700 going to have to start talking about ourselves again because 0:18:47.740 --> 0:18:50.889 it clearly riles people up. This one was funny. I 0:18:50.970 --> 0:18:54.740 find this podcast so awful. I love pop culture podcasts, 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.080 but this one is a miss. The hosts have nothing 0:18:57.140 --> 0:19:00.660 intelligent to say. The topic slash people discussed is so 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:04.020 unimportant and boring. I just listened to a segment about 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:08.639 an influencer who drinks flat soft drink. What? I feel 0:19:08.660 --> 0:19:10.500 like that was a topic Amy brought to the podcast. 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:14.160 That was about Georgia Richards who opens up Pepsi's when 0:19:14.220 --> 0:19:16.960 they're fresh from the shop and then leaves them in 0:19:16.980 --> 0:19:19.760