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Speaker 1: Five double a nice with Matthew Pantalis looking Dave Rennick

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Speaker 1: in just a second from Astro Space News eight double

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Speaker 1: two to three double o double Oh is the number,

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Speaker 1: of course if you've got any space related questions you'd

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Speaker 1: like to ask him. So many different things to talk about,

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Speaker 1: including who's going to get to the Moon first? Is

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Speaker 1: it going to be America or is it maybe going

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Speaker 1: to be China. I'm not sure where the US is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they were talking about operation not Operation Artemis,

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Speaker 1: the launch to the Moon, the Artemis program. But China

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Speaker 1: is saying it wants to have astronauts on the Moon

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Speaker 1: in five years time, by twenty thirty. Let's have a chat.

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Speaker 1: Dave Renickee is on the line. Hello, Dave, you likewise, now,

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Speaker 1: who's going to get to the Moon first? Is it

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Speaker 1: going to be America still? Or is it going to

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Speaker 1: be China?

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Speaker 2: Look, if I was a birding person, and I probably

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Speaker 2: would be if I if I follow my thoughts on

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Speaker 2: this one, that I only China make it their first

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Speaker 2: real Yeah, pretty yeah, they fairly will advance, you know

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Speaker 2: in space. I didn't think they were, but China have

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Speaker 2: because I saw a video a wile ago of some

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Speaker 2: big conventions they had over there. Some of the technology

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Speaker 2: they've got and by him, they know, I'm using some

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Speaker 2: of these telescopes here made in China. They are absolutely brilliant.

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Speaker 2: China have got the technology, they've got the spacecraft, They've

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Speaker 2: got people already trained to go, and they should have

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Speaker 2: should have feed the on thed by twenty thirty at

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Speaker 2: the outside. But you know, America ride on the corner

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 1: Now when America's supposed to be there in the next

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Speaker 1: year or so, and I reckon Trump as president, he'd

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Speaker 1: be gung high for this.

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Speaker 2: Surely he waxes and wane. Unfortunately, now when he took

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Speaker 2: office there we saw the bromance.

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Speaker 3: This was a big thing.

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Speaker 2: For Elon Musk. I mean it pushed him along no end.

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Speaker 2: I think he gained two years in the space of

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Speaker 2: a few months, two years of advancement there. But look,

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Speaker 2: they had a falling out and Trump now has ranstated

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Speaker 2: the art of his mission. The art of mission was

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Speaker 2: canceled because of Elon must promising so much. But you know,

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Speaker 2: they fell out of favor. Now the Americans are back

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Speaker 2: into it. They are they were pretty well advanced and

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Speaker 2: they were in front of everybody a little while ago,

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Speaker 2: but that stopped. Now it's being restarted. I think, look,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be putting close. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: There's there's a group already, a crew already trained to

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Speaker 2: go back to the Moon. There are five people in

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Speaker 2: the American Corps. They're ready to do this. I think

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Speaker 2: in the next few weeks, maybe in the next month

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Speaker 2: or so, we're going to see the first mission on

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Speaker 2: the art of as flight to the Moon is to

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Speaker 2: be a circumpolar. They'll go around the Moon and come

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Speaker 2: back again, not a landing, but a test trit and

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Speaker 2: they'll do that, and I think within a few months

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Speaker 2: after that was there a landing on it. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to say America will get there first, but China, you

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Speaker 2: just can't beat them. You can't guarantee they're not going

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Speaker 2: to do the same. Think they're very very well advanced

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Speaker 2: in space, the space station up there, and it could

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Speaker 2: be anyone, anybody's game. But I'd like to see America

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Speaker 2: go back for one reason. They've got a man of

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Speaker 2: color in the mission and a woman, and I really

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Speaker 2: do feel it's time for the next footprints on the

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Speaker 2: Moon to your female to you just to pay homies

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Speaker 2: to those who went before, the ones that missed out

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Speaker 2: and the treatment that you know, the American Space program

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Speaker 2: gave women over the years. And we saw that brought

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Speaker 2: in vivid color on the screen there with hidden figures.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's right, and it would be good

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Speaker 1: to see. You're right, and boy, the whole you know,

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Speaker 1: there was a whole unit, wasn't there of women ready

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're called the Forgotten thirteen. Anyone listening to you

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Speaker 2: now who wants to follow this up by seditionally going

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Speaker 2: it's called. The Forgotten thirteen. These are the women that

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Speaker 2: got certain degrees, we want you to come on. There

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Speaker 2: are thousands of applications on this one, and the majority

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Speaker 2: of them were women. Women were really right into this,

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Speaker 2: out because of their flight records what they've done. Armstrong

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Speaker 2: wasn't in that first Michie was too young. But these

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Speaker 2: thirteen women trained alongside the Blations and Matthew. They did

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Speaker 2: But here's where it really went wrong. And the ladies

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Speaker 2: the Kennedy administration at the time wanted to show and

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Speaker 2: of course you know the one who came after him, Johnson,

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Speaker 2: Though they did train the women. But what they did

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Speaker 2: is strong enough to withstand the rigors of space travel. Now,

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Speaker 2: that was enough to really turn everybody's nose up. But

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Speaker 2: here was a real cruncher when they came out with

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Speaker 2: this statement. They did feel also, this is a sideline

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Speaker 2: the women's menstrual cycle. May be an issue, which was

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Speaker 2: pretty sad. This was their feeling was they don't want

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Speaker 2: I thought you were so they were dumped. But now

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Speaker 2: you know, there's only three or four of them left now, Matthew.

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Speaker 2: They used to have to get together every year, and

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Speaker 2: get together. There's only three or four of them now,

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Speaker 2: and they have no resentment to it. They never did,

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Speaker 2: She's the Russian's got a woman up there in nineteen

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Speaker 2: But at the moment, we're looking at the crew ready

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Speaker 2: that it's going to be a very close race. But

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Speaker 2: you can't discount China. They can come out of the

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Speaker 1: That's right. They might be ready to go tomorrow. Who

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Speaker 1: knows exactly. Graham at Henley Beacher's called in, did I

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Speaker 4: Well anyway, I had a question today, and I love

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Speaker 1: Me now further apart.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm getting as old as they are the way

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Speaker 4: But I picked up on the Voyager website is that

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Speaker 4: Na's considering to extend their life further is to turn

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Speaker 4: off more instruments. Now at the moment, I think Boyder

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Speaker 4: so there's still are trends of anting usable data outside

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Speaker 2: It's still useful to us.

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Speaker 4: I don't understand why they would like spend that amount

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Speaker 4: Actually I think this will coming from alt and tell

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Speaker 2: Look, I really I'll be honest with you, Graham, I'm

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Speaker 2: not following these anymore because there's no reason to where

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Speaker 2: the pioneer and voyager are at the moment. They're in

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Speaker 2: It's like saying, during that flight there, you know a

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Speaker 2: there was nothing in space where these are. There's nothing

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Speaker 2: I don't think any usable data will come back from it.

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Speaker 2: I really don't think there's any use tracking them. There's

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Speaker 2: nothing there to find out. We know what's out there,

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Speaker 2: but these things are just on an eternal voyage. Well

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Speaker 2: For eighty thousand news before a pioneer even gets close

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Speaker 2: few years but those power pext on board just won't

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Speaker 2: I think we'll see the end of them. We'll never

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Speaker 4: It's kind of strange because they operate on a computing

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Speaker 2: Hardly any of the instruments still work on those peoples.

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Speaker 4: I think Boyds still has three working and I.

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Speaker 2: Think but not no usable data coming back.

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Speaker 4: I can agree with you, But what fascinates me is

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Speaker 4: the technologies they are operating on. The fact that you know,

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Speaker 4: that's the computing power they're operating on. It just still

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Speaker 2: We were just sitting out watching a bit of television

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Speaker 2: earlier on there and you know, partner, she's playing around

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Speaker 2: with the remote control. We can do anything with it.

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Speaker 2: You can have anything out there. It was on that

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Speaker 2: You have to get up manually internal and then ago

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Speaker 2: look at it, But that's about the buddies that these are.

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Speaker 2: They were set out there what in the in the

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Speaker 2: early to mid seventies when when we when we didn't

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Speaker 2: have any real technology at all. It's amazing this these

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Speaker 2: are the most incredible things ever built. I think you'll

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Speaker 2: agree by human beings to have lasted that long, Graham,

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Speaker 2: they are over a light day, a day that takes

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Speaker 1: There we go. Good on your Graham. Leo at Peraka Leo.

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Speaker 2: But what happened was in nineteen ninety nine when he

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Speaker 3: Hi Dean, Hi, how are you going? Dave him? Good

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Speaker 3: we're watching a YouTube video of some Japanese astrologer actually

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Speaker 2: No, no careful with these ones because it looked at him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was absolutely brilliant. We watched time and time

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Speaker 2: They just come straight down. It's like trying a high

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Speaker 3: So all these astronauts that are crying now to go

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Speaker 3: like are we going to get hit like, we don't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course they do everyon when they're working outside

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Speaker 1: Think take an umbrella.

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Speaker 3: That's amazing there.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you, good eye, Thank you Dean. Always interesting, Dave.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Delta class. This is Virgin's space

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Speaker 2: Thank god he's back in business, merchant galactic. Yeah, look,

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Speaker 1: How about that is Branson's plan to have a fleet

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Speaker 1: How about that? Hey, I want to ask you about

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Speaker 2: it's not Australia, it's not England, it's not New Zealand

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Speaker 2: The Chevrolet company bought the car and they toured around

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's happened from there. Okay, it's certainly

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Speaker 2: on auto pilot sitting there and dang good god, he

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Speaker 1: That's unreal. Dave, fascinating talking with you. I know the

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Speaker 1: people that called and really appreciate your insights. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for your time, and we'll speak next Monday.

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Speaker 2: Good to be with you again. She talked you.

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Speaker 1: Good on your Dave. Dave Rennick Astro Space News is

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Speaker 1: his website. You can see those stories and a lot

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Speaker 1: more right there,