Speaker 1: On the days when you're not motivated, what do you do?
Speaker 1: How do you show up? Do you show up at all?
Speaker 1: And what makes the professional the professional is that when
Speaker 1: they are not motivated, they still show up and deliver
Speaker 1: at such a level that you would not know that
Speaker 1: they were not motivated that day because their performance is
Speaker 1: consistent across the board.
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Speaker 2: Dre Baldwin, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Hey Paul, I'm excited to be here. Thank you for
Speaker 1: having me.
Speaker 2: And where abuch do we find you?
Speaker 1: Miami, Florida?
Speaker 2: Oh jeez, what's it like there?
Speaker 1: I I'm beautiful, always beautiful, and maybe get of course,
Speaker 1: you get the rainy season and get a couple of
Speaker 1: storm scares, maybe one or two every year.
Speaker 4: But a couple of big ones, A couple of big
Speaker 4: ones lately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but most of the time I'm crossing my fingers.
Speaker 1: Knocking wood doesn't always hit us directly, at least not
Speaker 1: here in Miami. So I'll take that as a trade
Speaker 1: off for eighty degree weather and up yearn.
Speaker 4: Yes, so yeah, absolutely, And so did you escape the
Speaker 4: big storm recently?
Speaker 1: Yeah? The big one that just came through. We didn't
Speaker 1: even get rain here in Miami and went more further
Speaker 1: further north, sort of middle part of the state, and
Speaker 1: it came from the west side, and Miami's on the east.
Speaker 2: Soup.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, right, it's a bit of a lottery this
Speaker 4: time of year, isn't it so? Drey, You are an
Speaker 4: ex professional athlete, the next professional basketball player, and now
Speaker 4: you coach people on high performance, whether it's in business
Speaker 4: or life. Before we get into the stuff that you
Speaker 4: talk to people about, talk me through just some of
Speaker 4: the highs and lows about being a professional athlete.
Speaker 2: Give us a little bit of an insight.
Speaker 1: As far as being an athlete. It's mostly highs. I
Speaker 1: would say ninety seven percent highs because what I tell people,
Speaker 1: even as an entrepreneur now, Paul, that being a professional
Speaker 1: athlete is the best job that you will ever have,
Speaker 1: and there's no job better than it's ten times better
Speaker 1: than what I do now. I love what I do now.
Speaker 1: Being a professional athlete is better because you're literally playing
Speaker 1: a game for a lily. And most people play games
Speaker 1: when they get off of work. We play games we're
Speaker 1: at work, and we're getting paid to play the game.
Speaker 1: It's not even networds, just playing it. We're getting paid
Speaker 1: to play the game, and then you're getting to travel around,
Speaker 1: usually on the dime of the team. If you're on
Speaker 1: a team sport, they're paying for it. They're paying your food,
Speaker 1: they're paying your travel, they're paying the hotels, and they
Speaker 1: give you a sour for playing the sport. And all
Speaker 1: you have to do is you got to be pretty
Speaker 1: damn good, but you got to you just play a sport.
Speaker 1: So those are the highs of it. And then everyone
Speaker 1: knows you for playing that sport. They know you as
Speaker 1: that person who plays that sport, so you're usually pretty
Speaker 1: well known because of that. And I mean, I can't
Speaker 1: really think of any lows of it. The only lows
Speaker 1: there are things that you compare to when you're comparing
Speaker 1: in it too. Let's say no everyday life, there may
Speaker 1: be some way was like, hey, you got to show
Speaker 1: up to work every day, or you have to go
Speaker 1: to practice the times you don't want to go to practice,
Speaker 1: or you had to be one of the top two
Speaker 1: percent in the world so you can keep your job.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to call those of those, sure,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't really think of anything that I would
Speaker 1: consider a downside of being a pro athlete if you
Speaker 1: have the game to actually get in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the mental game, what was what was the
Speaker 4: mental Did you feel a lot of pressure, because I
Speaker 4: know a lot of athletes these days. Are some athletes
Speaker 4: feel a huge amount of pressure? Or did you just
Speaker 4: love for the game and what you were doing? Did
Speaker 4: that just overcome that and it was a more of
Speaker 4: a joy.
Speaker 1: Anytime there was any pressure that I even started to
Speaker 1: think about, or say I'm on the team and I'm
Speaker 1: not getting as much playing time as I want, or
Speaker 1: I don't like the teammates, or I don't like the
Speaker 1: apartment they had me set up in, or WiFi is
Speaker 1: not working. I would always remind myself, Paul, look what
Speaker 1: I'm doing. All right, Look what I'm doing. I'm traveling
Speaker 1: the world playing a sport. Who am I going to
Speaker 1: complain to? And who am I going to tell about this?
Speaker 1: I can't say people back home, because none of them
Speaker 1: is living the kind of way that I'm living. So
Speaker 1: I always anytime I caught myself even thinking like that,
Speaker 1: even for a minute, immediately canceled it out by saying,
Speaker 1: look where you're at, You're in filming the name of
Speaker 1: whatever country I was in playing basketball for a living. Again,
Speaker 1: what do you have to complain about if you get
Speaker 1: out of here? What are you gonna do? What were
Speaker 1: you doing before this? And so I yes, some athletes
Speaker 1: do feel pressure these days because I think in the
Speaker 1: world that we're in now, I stop playing in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: get people a time frame here, But the world that
Speaker 1: we're in now, I think people are generally as a
Speaker 1: society just more mentally weak than they were in the
Speaker 1: era that people like myself and yourself come from. So
Speaker 1: they are looking at these things that we said, I
Speaker 1: actually like this kind of pressure. I had the kind
Speaker 1: of pressure that I have to play great in every practice,
Speaker 1: in every game otherwise I lose my job. Where they
Speaker 1: were looking at it like it's some type of burden. Again,
Speaker 1: I don't. I never allow myself to think.
Speaker 4: That with I like the way that you brought in
Speaker 4: gratitude to come to that pressure. But let's let's not
Speaker 4: talk about what a lot of athletes do struggle with.
Speaker 4: And that is the transition, right, the transition from being
Speaker 4: in the top two percent of your field in the world,
Speaker 4: and you know, all of that travel, all that awesome
Speaker 4: stuff that you talked about and now all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: you're just a regular guy. How did you find that
Speaker 4: transition and you know what sort of struggles whether and
Speaker 4: how did you overcome them.
Speaker 1: Well, that transition was a little bit different from me,
Speaker 1: and it was easier for me because of the way
Speaker 1: that it was different because Paul I come from a
Speaker 1: Division three couch. So here in the United States, Division
Speaker 1: three is the third tier of sports. That's not usually
Speaker 1: a level that produces pro players, So they're always looking
Speaker 1: at your pedigree your whole career to looking at where
Speaker 1: you came from because that tells them, I guess it
Speaker 1: cloves people into hu much talent you might have a
Speaker 1: right no matter what you did in your previous steps.
Speaker 1: So I understood it from the very first opportunity I
Speaker 1: got to play professionally that there might not be a second,
Speaker 1: and when I got the second, they may not be
Speaker 1: a third. So I always had that on my mind.
Speaker 1: So I started to build what became my business now
Speaker 1: while I was still playing, because there was a time
Speaker 1: when I didn't have a job. There was a time
Speaker 1: I was in between jobs. I was a unemployed professional athlete,
Speaker 1: and that's when I started focusing more on building what
Speaker 1: we now call personal brand on the internet, writing books,
Speaker 1: creating courses, you know, making products. All eventually moved into
Speaker 1: coaching people and building this brand online where I was
Speaker 1: making money just from the fact that I was publishing
Speaker 1: content and building an audience. So I had that stuff
Speaker 1: going for me the whole second half of my career.
Speaker 1: My career was almost a decade long, so that last
Speaker 1: five years I had that stuff going. When I wasn't
Speaker 1: on the court, I was on a computer doing those things.
Speaker 1: And good thing about being a pro athlete is that
Speaker 1: there's a lot of downtime. Yeah, a long day of
Speaker 1: work is like four hours, so you do whatever you want.
Speaker 1: So when you see athletes out there, specifically football and
Speaker 1: basketball players making terrible rap music, is because we got
Speaker 1: a lot of time on our hands. I just happened
Speaker 1: to get on the internet and write books. They decided
Speaker 1: to get the studio and make music, and.
Speaker 4: What was the It's really interesting because you started then
Speaker 4: succession planning for your career.
Speaker 2: Right when you were in the middle of.
Speaker 4: Your career, right, which is is quite unusual, particularly I
Speaker 4: think back in those days. So you would have started
Speaker 4: your succession planning maybe twenty ten exactly, and we still
Speaker 4: had five years to go. Where did that come from?
Speaker 4: Was that just something in your mind that you were
Speaker 4: a more aware than others that this could stop at
Speaker 4: any time? Or did you have a coach or somebody
Speaker 4: who kind of got in your head and had said, hey, Dre,
Speaker 4: you want to think about the long game here, not
Speaker 4: just a short.
Speaker 1: Game answers a combination of several things. Was you just
Speaker 1: said there, you touched on a bunch of them. So
Speaker 1: number one, I never considered a succession plan. I was
Speaker 1: just like, how do I pay my bills if I
Speaker 1: don't get another phone call and another opportunity to play basketball?
Speaker 1: And I knew I wanted to combine basketball with the
Speaker 1: Internet with making money because I'm a little bit of
Speaker 1: a closet internet geek for a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: know that. So I was always into computers and stuff.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I had this athletic ability,
Speaker 1: So I took the detour through sports before I came
Speaker 1: back to the computers. So what happened is, as I
Speaker 1: told you, I didn't know how long my career was
Speaker 1: going to last. Sometimes the job opportunities weren't coming. So
Speaker 1: if the call phone wasn't coming, phone wasn't ringing, I
Speaker 1: was asking myself, well, this phone doesn't ring again, what
Speaker 1: am I going to do? How can I take what
Speaker 1: I'm already doing on the internet with basketball? Because I
Speaker 1: had an audience on YouTube who was just watching me
Speaker 1: do drills and stuff. How can I take that audience
Speaker 1: and combine it with doing something that has to do
Speaker 1: with computers because I knew I had a little bit
Speaker 1: of precociousness on computers, and is there a way to
Speaker 1: make money through the internet? And that was all starting
Speaker 1: to happen around that about that two thousand and nine
Speaker 1: through twenty eleven time period. Now, as far as me
Speaker 1: having anybody in my ear, not directly, but let me
Speaker 1: tell you where that did come from. The fact that
Speaker 1: I was even thinking this way was when I was
Speaker 1: in college back around two thousand and two two thousand
Speaker 1: and three, I got invited to a meeting where someone asked, well,
Speaker 1: the bulletin board postly said, do you want to make
Speaker 1: some extra money in the summertime. I responded to this
Speaker 1: because this is before college athletes could make money off
Speaker 1: of name, image and likeness. So if you played a
Speaker 1: college right. It was like you had two jobs, you
Speaker 1: had full time student workload, and you had playing a
Speaker 1: sport and you couldn't You were not allowed to make
Speaker 1: money based off of the fact that you were an athlete.
Speaker 1: So I responded to that. Turns out this guy was
Speaker 1: doing network marketing or what some people call multi level marketing.
Speaker 1: And I did not build a career there, but I
Speaker 1: dabbled in it and when I was in college, and
Speaker 1: it was there that I learned about two things. Number one,
Speaker 1: personal development, because the people in the meetings would say,
Speaker 1: if you're going to build a business, you have to
Speaker 1: build up yourself. Your business cannot grow anymore than you grow.
Speaker 1: That made perfect sense to me. And number two is
Speaker 1: that these people were explaining entrepreneurship. And even though I
Speaker 1: have a four year degree in business, the things that
Speaker 1: were being taught at that network marketing meeting were never
Speaker 1: told to me in four years of sitting in college
Speaker 1: lecture halls. So that's what opened my mind to entrepreneurship.
Speaker 1: And then I went and started reading the books like
Speaker 1: Robert Kiyosaki, risktat Poor Dad Right, eventually moved on and
Speaker 1: read Tim Ferris. It was kind of like the digital
Speaker 1: version of risktat Poor Dad if you really think about it,
Speaker 1: And those books started to inspire me to think, Okay,
Speaker 1: I started thinking entrepreneurially. I knew I was going to
Speaker 1: play basketball, but after basketball, I don't want to go
Speaker 1: and do the regular work thing. Because the adults that
Speaker 1: I saw around me growing up, they looked at work
Speaker 1: like a necessary evil. They worked nine to five jobs
Speaker 1: for the most part, and they never talked about work
Speaker 1: like they were excited to go do it, like I'm
Speaker 1: excited to get on this and have this conversation with you.
Speaker 1: We're working right now. But when I would see my
Speaker 1: parents going to work as kids, they talked about work
Speaker 1: like I have to go to work. Now, I get
Speaker 1: to go to work. And looking at that, I figured, well,
Speaker 1: why do I want to go get a degree just
Speaker 1: so I can do this for the next forty years.
Speaker 1: So when I saw the internet as an opportunity where
Speaker 1: you could kind of make money through self expression for
Speaker 1: lack of a better term, I said, this is what
Speaker 1: I want to do. So when I as soon as
Speaker 1: I saw any opportunity that you can monetize doing things
Speaker 1: on the internet, that's basically you putting your own personality
Speaker 1: and your own ideas and thoughts out there. I jumped
Speaker 1: on it. So that's so my coach, I guess you
Speaker 1: could say, was the combination of network marketing, Robert Kyosaki
Speaker 1: and Tim Fair. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 4: And so then you wrote a book called Work on
Speaker 4: Your Game, And I love the title, and I think
Speaker 4: most people would kind of get it straight away that
Speaker 4: the sporting analogy. But working on your own game, You're
Speaker 4: obviously all over the internet, got a big following. Talked
Speaker 4: me through the process of writing the book. Right, when
Speaker 4: did that first pop into your mind? And what came first?
Speaker 4: Was it the internet stuff about working on your game?
Speaker 4: Or was it the book that drove the Internet? Which
Speaker 4: one was first?
Speaker 1: Internet was first. So I started belonging in two thousand
Speaker 1: and five. Now I never blew up from blogging, but
Speaker 1: I was blogging and YouTube came out that same year,
Speaker 1: two thousand and five. So I got on YouTube same
Speaker 1: year it came out, and I was just putting out
Speaker 1: content to teach basketball players how to dribble, shoot, how
Speaker 1: to dounk, how to jump higher, et cetera. And it
Speaker 1: was around that two thousand and nine time period where again,
Speaker 1: as I told your phone wasn't ringing. So I started
Speaker 1: looking for ways to make money, and the players had
Speaker 1: been asking me to make programs to help them individually.
Speaker 1: Then somebody gave me the idea just in the YouTube comment,
Speaker 1: Hey Dremont, you just write down what you do and
Speaker 1: let other people follow your process. That's where I got
Speaker 1: my first product. I did, and my products were selling fast.
Speaker 1: Four dollars and ninety nine cents US. All right, so
Speaker 1: five dollar products. That's where I started. That was my
Speaker 1: first product on the internet. It was five hours. Now. As
Speaker 1: far as the books go, that came about a year.
Speaker 1: About a year later I wrote my first book, was
Speaker 1: called by a Game. Is the only book in mind
Speaker 1: to say narrative. It's actually right there above my ear
Speaker 1: picture of me right there. That's the only book where
Speaker 1: I'm just telling the story, like when I first started
Speaker 1: playing ball up through college. All the rest of my
Speaker 1: books are personal and professional development such as work on
Speaker 1: your Game and how I write those books. I mostly
Speaker 1: write my books on my phone. I type on the
Speaker 1: phone really fast, and you're kidding, no, I type, I
Speaker 1: can type really get it on your phone really quick.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And now now Paul, we have the talk to texts things.
Speaker 1: So now you can just hit the microphone and you
Speaker 1: can say things and it will write down what you say. Now,
Speaker 1: the key to that is you have to learn how
Speaker 1: to talk in a way that it reads properly, because
Speaker 1: if you just talk normally. For example, we just took
Speaker 1: the transcript of this and would not go back a book.
Speaker 4: You would have to do a lot of editor And
Speaker 4: then I'll tell you what, particularly particularly my section, because
Speaker 4: trying to understand my iris accent from talk to text.
Speaker 1: They pretty good. I think they got it. Nowadays they
Speaker 1: have the skills that understand it you're talk in English,
Speaker 1: they get it. But I know how to talk in
Speaker 1: a way that it reads like a paragraph. Yes, so
Speaker 1: I've learned by doing it over the years. So these
Speaker 1: days there's a couple of different ways that I do it.
Speaker 1: There is, of course, you still have to sit there
Speaker 1: and take stuff, which I don't always do as much.
Speaker 1: I usually will do that after so my first draft.
Speaker 1: Even if I'm writing an article, Let's say I want
Speaker 1: to write a blog post, I will speak it out
Speaker 1: into Google Docs. Then I'll go back and edit it
Speaker 1: to make sure it reads properly. I do that same
Speaker 1: thing with my books. And also there's a way, there's
Speaker 1: a process where then I have some of my clients
Speaker 1: do this where I'll just give them a bunch of questions.
Speaker 1: I give them like twenty questions about there, whatever the
Speaker 1: subject is, and I tell them just record your answer
Speaker 1: to the question in audio, just recorded on your phone
Speaker 1: or whatever. Send me the audio file. I'll get that transcribed,
Speaker 1: and then we clean it up to make that into
Speaker 1: what it needs to be for people who are not
Speaker 1: like natural writers. And these days, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know how much you pay attention to automation and text stuff,
Speaker 1: but nowadays they're making it even easier. So writing a
Speaker 1: book is going to be like writing what's gonna be
Speaker 1: like posting a tweet pretty soon. So I don't get
Speaker 1: a lot of them out there.
Speaker 4: I reckon my next book. I might, I might. I
Speaker 4: might narrate my book and see how I see how
Speaker 4: they talk to text?
Speaker 2: Does?
Speaker 1: Oh yes you should.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about let's talk about what.
Speaker 4: Your the work on your game is all about.
Speaker 2: Give us the high level overview of that.
Speaker 1: Sure, so work on your game. And I didn't answer
Speaker 1: your question about the book, but I did that mostly
Speaker 1: through audio recording it and then just type it out,
Speaker 1: so work on your game. The entire philosophy the book
Speaker 1: also is all about taking the tools to help athletes
Speaker 1: reach the top of the sports world and translating those
Speaker 1: tools over to the business and professional world to help
Speaker 1: people perform at their highest chuggle, do so consistently and
Speaker 1: produce results. That's what we're all about here, is performance,
Speaker 1: consistency and results.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I actually I talk a lot to corporates
Speaker 4: about the science of peak performance in the world of
Speaker 4: professional sport, and I think that business can learn a
Speaker 4: shitload from professional sport, particularly about sustainable peak performance, right,
Speaker 4: about not just getting to the top of your game,
Speaker 4: but actually staying to the top of your at the
Speaker 4: top of your game, all of the effort that needs.
Speaker 2: To go into it.
Speaker 4: But also I think the big difference I tend to
Speaker 4: find between professional sport and high level business is the
Speaker 4: quality of recovery. Right. Yes, if we think about that, right,
Speaker 4: athletes recover professionally.
Speaker 2: Most business people.
Speaker 4: After a highly stressful week or a stressful day will
Speaker 4: come home, drink alcohol, eat ship food, and destroy their sleep,
Speaker 4: right people, but quite a lot of business people, So
Speaker 4: that's one massive difference. But let's talk about how everyday
Speaker 4: people can use the stuff that you talk about in
Speaker 4: working on your camp.
Speaker 1: Sure, and what you just said there, I concur is
Speaker 1: I have the coaching clients of mind exact issue. They
Speaker 1: work really hard in an office and they come home
Speaker 1: and they're going into pantry were they're not supposed to drink,
Speaker 1: and drinks that they don't want to drink and not
Speaker 1: stand in shape. They want to stay in So absolutely,
Speaker 1: and as far as how these things translate, well, we
Speaker 1: can just take the tools. So the first foundation of
Speaker 1: what we do here as mindset. And on the mindset
Speaker 1: we have four pillars discipline, confidence, mental toughness, personal initiative.
Speaker 1: These are all things that an athlete needs if they're
Speaker 1: going to make it, and it's the same thing that
Speaker 1: a professional or entrepreneur needs if they're going to make it.
Speaker 1: We move from the mindset into the strategy, which is
Speaker 1: simply a plan of action. What exactly are we going
Speaker 1: to do? How are we going to do it? Third,
Speaker 1: is the system. Once we figure out doing these things
Speaker 1: produces the result that we want, how do we codify
Speaker 1: it and make a process out of it so we
Speaker 1: can do the same things the same way. Every time.
Speaker 1: And then the fourth piece of the accountability slash implementation,
Speaker 1: which is how do we make sure that everything is
Speaker 1: working the way that it's supposed to. That includes both
Speaker 1: the process and the people. And we put those four
Speaker 1: pieces together and that's our framework.
Speaker 2: Very cool. I like it.
Speaker 4: And let's talk about the mindset stuff. I think I
Speaker 4: want to do a deep dive on that. So you
Speaker 4: said there was four things. There was discipline, confidence, mental toughness.
Speaker 2: What was the fourth one?
Speaker 1: Personal initiative?
Speaker 2: Personal initiative. I want to start with the big one.
Speaker 4: Let's start with the D word, right, because I find
Speaker 4: that that particularly when I work in a lot of
Speaker 4: health behavior change and you know, people talking about achieving
Speaker 4: their goals and something that just does not come up
Speaker 4: enough is discipline. How important do you think that discipline
Speaker 4: is in terms of success in life in general, whether
Speaker 4: that be sport, business, or personal stuff.
Speaker 1: Is the biggest thing. And that's the reason why you
Speaker 1: notice the first that is the differentiator between the people
Speaker 1: who max out or come close to masking out on
Speaker 1: their potential of those who don't is the discipline. Because
Speaker 1: everyone understands the concept of motivation and if you tell someone, hey,
Speaker 1: here's a motivational message to you, I might listen to it.
Speaker 1: I don't mind motivation when I can get it. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, there are times that you're not
Speaker 1: going to be motivated, you're not going to feel good,
Speaker 1: and the situation is not you're not getting all the
Speaker 1: green lights, like things are not working in your favor,
Speaker 1: but there is still a job that needs to be done.
Speaker 1: Because the key to being a professional, I mean the
Speaker 1: definition of professionals someone who does something is their main
Speaker 1: paid occupation Paulton. If you're gonna do something that's your
Speaker 1: main paid occupation, that means you have to do it
Speaker 1: consistently because you're expecting the check to come in consistently.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, we don't feel motivated consistently.
Speaker 1: All right, some days we are, some days we're not.
Speaker 1: So on the days when you're not motivated, what do
Speaker 1: you do? How do you show up? Do you show
Speaker 1: up at all? And we have a whole framework around
Speaker 1: that called the third day. And what makes the professional
Speaker 1: the professional is that when they are not motivated, they
Speaker 1: still show up and deliver at such a level that
Speaker 1: you would not know that they were not motivated that
Speaker 1: day because their performance is consisting across the board. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I often talk and particularly you can see how
Speaker 4: this translates into health, right and people's health and their behaviors.
Speaker 4: And I find that there are a lot of people,
Speaker 4: and this is both in business and in personal life,
Speaker 4: who are waiting for the motivation fairy to come along
Speaker 4: and give them a big dollop of motivation. And they think,
Speaker 4: when I get the motivation, then I'm going to take action.
Speaker 4: And I always said to these people, you want the
Speaker 4: motivation for hery to come take action, because motivation follows action,
Speaker 4: not the other way around.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: I think there's a whole heap of neuroscience research right
Speaker 4: now that shows that when you're bring and knows that
Speaker 4: you're in forward motion towards your goal, that's when it
Speaker 4: releases dopamine, the chemical of col directed behavior and motivation.
Speaker 4: So I love the way that you have that interaction
Speaker 4: between motivation and discipline. But let's talk about the interplay
Speaker 4: between discipline and confidence.
Speaker 2: Sure, all right, talk to our audience about that.
Speaker 1: Most people, if I ask audiences of just every day people,
Speaker 1: what internal trait do you want more of? Most people
Speaker 1: say confidence. They want to feel more self esteem, healthier
Speaker 1: self in is they just want to feel more bold
Speaker 1: and more just feel better about themselves, because most people
Speaker 1: rightly assume that if they feel more confident, they'll probably
Speaker 1: try more stuff, eventually achieve more stuff, and they can
Speaker 1: live more life and be more successful. So there's nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with wanting to be more confident. Confidence is a
Speaker 1: big thing, and people can feel confidence coming off of
Speaker 1: you when you have it, and they also feel me
Speaker 1: you don't have it. The issue is most people don't
Speaker 1: know how to go about acquiring confidence, go about it incorrectly,
Speaker 1: doing things like faking it till you make it, which
Speaker 1: not really a real thing, and I'm sure we can
Speaker 1: talk about that if you like. But where confidence actually
Speaker 1: comes from is disciplined. Discipline creates confidence. And anytime you
Speaker 1: know someone who is highly confident at what they do
Speaker 1: and it's real confidence, you'll usually if you look behind it,
Speaker 1: you'll find that they are highly disciplined and the same
Speaker 1: thing that they're confident in. Because confidence is simply your
Speaker 1: belief in your ability to do a thing. And where
Speaker 1: does that come from. Belief comes from your past. We
Speaker 1: believe things because in the past, for some reason, we
Speaker 1: have seen that if we do this, we get this.
Speaker 1: So the discipline of doing the work last week leads
Speaker 1: to the confidence of doing the performance today. So the
Speaker 1: more disciplined you are willing to be, and the more
Speaker 1: discipline you're willing to enforce on yourself if you will,
Speaker 1: then the more confident you're going to be at that thing.
Speaker 1: So it's like if you practice shooting the free throws
Speaker 1: and the nty gym, then you get into the game,
Speaker 1: you are more confident that you can make the free
Speaker 1: throws because you know you've already done it. That's where
Speaker 1: confidence comes from, is having a discipline challenges. Most people
Speaker 1: don't want to be disciplined, or they don't enact the discipline,
Speaker 1: or they go about being disciplined the wrong way and
Speaker 1: trying to force feed it. So most of the time
Speaker 1: when people are talking to me about discipline, they'll say, well,
Speaker 1: I just I just need to get more motivated. I
Speaker 1: just need to wake up early. I just need to
Speaker 1: make myself go to the gym. I just need to
Speaker 1: record episodes of my podcast. Finally, I just need to
Speaker 1: finish writing this book. That's what most people say. Anytime
Speaker 1: someone starts the sentence what I just need to usually
Speaker 1: means that they've been trying it for years and they
Speaker 1: haven't done it, and they just tell themselves, Well, they
Speaker 1: tell themselves the same thing over and over yet and
Speaker 1: they end up not doing it. Where discipline comes from
Speaker 1: the structure. So when you have the right structure, that
Speaker 1: structure leads to the discipline, because if you just follow
Speaker 1: a structure or process, then discipline comes out as a byproduct.
Speaker 1: It's like it falls out of the bottom of the funnel.
Speaker 1: Then when you're disciplined, that means the confidence, the confidence
Speaker 1: to performance and the performance to results.
Speaker 4: Man, there's so much stuff that you said that we
Speaker 4: could just unpot I think there's a couple of big
Speaker 4: ones up on a double click caf.
Speaker 2: The one that you hinted.
Speaker 4: About process and for me, process beats goals every day
Speaker 4: of the week. Right, it's the process is how you
Speaker 4: actually get there. But the other one was about that
Speaker 4: that fake it till you make it. And really what
Speaker 4: you were talking about there is confidence comes from trusting yourself.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: It's that if you don't have trust in yourself that
Speaker 4: you can do it, that there just is no confidence.
Speaker 2: It's all just the fake stuff.
Speaker 4: And talk us through that, just that fake it till
Speaker 4: you make it and why that just is just a
Speaker 4: meme that doesn't land in reality.
Speaker 2: Right, there is so much that you said.
Speaker 4: I really want to dive into that whole idea of
Speaker 4: the interaction between the discipline to do stuff that then
Speaker 4: gives you the trust that then gives you the real confidence,
Speaker 4: not the fear confidence. So talk us through the difference
Speaker 4: of those things.
Speaker 1: Go to the story of Cinderoa. So the story of Cinderoa,
Speaker 1: she's into the rags and she's washing dishes at home
Speaker 1: and then she gets the beautiful ball gown. But she
Speaker 1: gets a warning that when the cock strikes twelve, this
Speaker 1: beautiful ball gown is going to turn the rags again.
Speaker 1: That's what fake it till you make it is like.
Speaker 1: So you can fake it and be Cinderolla, but when
Speaker 1: a cock strikes twelve, you have to go back to
Speaker 1: where the rags, go back to who you were. So
Speaker 1: people need to understand that the subconscious mind takes things literally.
Speaker 1: So when you tell your subconscious that you are faking it,
Speaker 1: you're faking being something that you're not. The subconscious understands
Speaker 1: that at some point this faking must end and we
Speaker 1: have to go back to being who we true we are.
Speaker 1: That's the issue with faking it till you make it
Speaker 1: is that it must come to an end when instead
Speaker 1: what you want to do is you want to step
Speaker 1: into a certain frame, step into a certain posture, and
Speaker 1: become it, rather than fake it and becoming it simply
Speaker 1: means you're telling yourself that I am this person, not
Speaker 1: that I'm pretending to be this person. So you don't
Speaker 1: want to pretend to be something that you're not, because again,
Speaker 1: there's only some long that you can sustain that, because
Speaker 1: you all know the human the human being cannot behave
Speaker 1: in a way that is incongruent with the way that
Speaker 1: you truly see yourself for an extended period of time.
Speaker 1: So this is why faking it till you make it
Speaker 1: is not a real thing. An example that I use
Speaker 1: is a basketball player. He's in high school and the
Speaker 1: coach says, today, I'm going to have each one of
Speaker 1: you pretend to be one of your teammates as an
Speaker 1: experiment so you all can show each other what kind
Speaker 1: of player you are. So whatever mistakes you always make,
Speaker 1: your teammate who is supposed to be you, they're going
Speaker 1: to make those mistakes and whatever you do well, your
Speaker 1: teammate is going to do that well, so you can
Speaker 1: show each other who you are, so you're not hearing
Speaker 1: it from me the coach all the time. And this
Speaker 1: random player he gets a sign to be the best
Speaker 1: player on the team, and the best player on the
Speaker 1: teams is a leading score. He has a D one scholarship.
Speaker 1: And this day, this player who gets a sign to
Speaker 1: be the best player on the team, he goes out
Speaker 1: and has this amazing day in practice. He's doing moves
Speaker 1: that he never tries. He's making shots that he never
Speaker 1: even attempts. His teammates are looking at him like, where'd
Speaker 1: all this come from? Because he never does this stuff.
Speaker 1: And what he had done is step into what I
Speaker 1: call the super you. That's our framework that we use
Speaker 1: for confidence, is called the super You. And the thing
Speaker 1: is he did not automatically just magically develop all these
Speaker 1: skills just because the coach told him to pretend to
Speaker 1: be the best player on the team, and because really
Speaker 1: he wasn't really pretending. All he was doing was unlocking
Speaker 1: abilities that he already had within him. But what he
Speaker 1: needed was the permission not only to bring out those abilities,
Speaker 1: but more importantly, there's eighty percent of it, Paul, the
Speaker 1: permission to stop conforming to being the person you've always been.
Speaker 1: That's really what confidence is about, is giving yourself the
Speaker 1: permission to stop being the person that you think everybody
Speaker 1: else thinks once and expects you to be. The reason
Speaker 1: many people do not change is and you talked about
Speaker 1: this a little bit earlier, when it comes to that momentum, right,
Speaker 1: it's the law of inertia that an object in motion
Speaker 1: sens remained in that same motion. So if we've been
Speaker 1: a certain type of person for the last thirty years,
Speaker 1: is pretty hard to just change that in thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: It's not that it's impossible, it's just hard to do
Speaker 1: because we're so used to following our own habits. The
Speaker 1: good news is that with the snap of a finger
Speaker 1: you can get out of that. You just have to
Speaker 1: get into the right mental state to get yourself to
Speaker 1: change when you want to change. It kind of its
Speaker 1: kind of like a you know, Tony Raminson, you know
Speaker 1: when they have he has you walking across the fire, right,
Speaker 1: it's a mental state. You get into the state. You
Speaker 1: could walk cross coals anytime you want, but you have
Speaker 1: to get in the right mental state to where your
Speaker 1: mind is not defeating you before you step on the fire.
Speaker 4: And lots of this again comes back to trust, and
Speaker 4: trust in yourself comes from knowing that you have the
Speaker 4: skills and resources to be able to execute right. So,
Speaker 4: but let's just dive into discipline a little bit. So
Speaker 4: I'm sure you have been asked this a thousand times,
Speaker 4: and if either of us had the one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Feel safe method, we'd be multi millionaires.
Speaker 4: But what can some what can people do to If
Speaker 4: people say to you, oh, I get disciplined, but I'm
Speaker 4: just not disciplined.
Speaker 2: How do I bring more discipline into my life?
Speaker 1: Great question? Get some structure. And here's the easy thing
Speaker 1: about getting structure is that it already exists. You just
Speaker 1: have to plug yourself into it. So, for example, if
Speaker 1: someone wants to lose weight, they might get in shape.
Speaker 1: They've been going to the gym for months and they
Speaker 1: haven't really lost the weight they want to lose at
Speaker 1: the paces they want to lose it at. If they
Speaker 1: keep going to the gym for the next two years,
Speaker 1: they will probably end up losing that last fifty pounds.
Speaker 1: The thing is, if they were to hire a personal trainer,
Speaker 1: who actually knows what they're doing and will keep them
Speaker 1: on a regiment when they get to the gym, so
Speaker 1: they're actually working out during that hour instead of sitting
Speaker 1: on the machine looking at their phone. Then over that,
Speaker 1: then that that personal training will help this person lose
Speaker 1: fifty pounds in the next six months. Now, the investment
Speaker 1: to pay the personal trainer, whatever it costs, what you're
Speaker 1: buying is not the loss of fifty pounds which're buying
Speaker 1: is a year and a half of time, because what
Speaker 1: it took you two years to do it by yourself
Speaker 1: is going to take you six months with the personal trainer.
Speaker 1: The trainer is going to represent structure because they're going
Speaker 1: to tell you what's time to come to the gym,
Speaker 1: what's time to leave, what to do while you're there,
Speaker 1: what you can and can't eat between now and the
Speaker 1: next workout. Now you have structure. That structure produces discipline.
Speaker 1: The discipline produces the confidence. The confidence produces the outcomes.
Speaker 1: So that's how it works. Another example of this, the
Speaker 1: flip side of this is, for example, when we were
Speaker 1: in elementary school and we saw that a substitute teacher
Speaker 1: walking to the classroom, we all looked around at each other,
Speaker 1: the students, and we knew that day the classroom is
Speaker 1: going to be a zoo. Why is this all right?
Speaker 1: And so I think every kid for everyone.
Speaker 2: Twenty years ago, when we were at Scots against a.
Speaker 1: Fresh bait right right and Paul Water, we think this.
Speaker 1: We thought this because we know that the main teacher
Speaker 1: not being there means the structure is not in place today.
Speaker 1: And it's not because we were bad kids. But when
Speaker 1: you take structure away, you get this, You get chaos.
Speaker 1: That's all. This is scientific law, is the law of entropy.
Speaker 1: If you're a million, you remove the guard rails and
Speaker 1: the standards, you get chaos. That's what happens. That happens
Speaker 1: in societies, it happens in people, happens in any organization.
Speaker 1: You remove the guard rails, you get chaos. So the
Speaker 1: kids are acting crazy that day, and the very next
Speaker 1: day the main teacher comes back to school that you're
Speaker 1: not sick anymore. And those same kids who we're acting
Speaker 1: wild yesterday are now sitting at the deskert their hands folded.
Speaker 1: What changed nothing? The same person is this. Now they
Speaker 1: have structure again, So now they go back to behaving.
Speaker 4: May I love that you brought the law of entropy
Speaker 4: into that, and you remove structure, you get chaos. And
Speaker 4: actually it's worthwhile people reflecting on that, particularly around health
Speaker 4: behavior change. Right is that that structure and sticking to
Speaker 4: the structure is pretty key. Let's we talked about discipline,
Speaker 4: we talked about confidence. Let's not talk about mental toughness.
Speaker 4: Right that is, that's a word of free is that
Speaker 4: is very close to my heart. So give us your
Speaker 4: tick on mental toughness and why it's actually important in
Speaker 4: both business, sport and in your personal life.
Speaker 1: The way that de fronmenttal toughness is your ability to
Speaker 1: remain disciplined was me showing up consistently and doing your
Speaker 1: job and remain confident, putting yourself and your work out
Speaker 1: there boldly and authentically despite fact that doing all the
Speaker 1: quote unquote right things has not yet produced the desire
Speaker 1: or intended result. That's what mental toughness is all about.
Speaker 1: And this matters because no matter how good you are,
Speaker 1: how talented, and how well intentioned, nothing in life is
Speaker 1: ever going to go exactly as planned, and things usually
Speaker 1: end up going to ride for all of us at
Speaker 1: different points, some more often than others, or it may
Speaker 1: appear more often than others, but none of us has
Speaker 1: complete control everything. Ninety nine percent of life is outside
Speaker 1: of our control. You want to control one percent of life,
Speaker 1: and that's just what you do, and for the most part,
Speaker 1: is just what you think the way you think about things.
Speaker 1: So mental toughness the way I have to describe it, pauls.
Speaker 1: Mental toughness is like the security system for your mental health.
Speaker 1: They are not diametrically opposed. They actually work together. But
Speaker 1: you are mentally tough. In other words, people use for
Speaker 1: this are grit, perseverance, stick to it. In this persistence
Speaker 1: and resilience. You can use them interchange the way. In
Speaker 1: this context, mental toughness is just about your ability to
Speaker 1: frame circumstances that are out of your control in I's
Speaker 1: s a way that it is constructive for you rather
Speaker 1: than destructive. And when people fail to do that, they
Speaker 1: allow themselves to become a victim of circumstance. The problem
Speaker 1: is you don't control circumstance, so anything you allow yourself
Speaker 1: to become a victim of it starts to control you.
Speaker 1: And the most successful people out there, they mentally have
Speaker 1: control over how they see things, even though they do
Speaker 1: not always control how things go.
Speaker 4: Now, look, I love what you said, and that plays
Speaker 4: in really nicely. I'm not sure you're aware, but there
Speaker 4: is a large body of academic research around the concept
Speaker 4: of mental toughness. And I actually had the mental toughness
Speaker 4: guys who created this on my podcast and the end
Speaker 4: it's linked to the older concept of hardiness.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So they talk about four components to mental toughness. A
Speaker 4: control orientation which you talked about that focusing on the
Speaker 4: stuff that you can control, right. A challenge orientation is
Speaker 4: really lean into challenge and discomfort, right. A commitment orientation right,
Speaker 4: which then plays into your process and structure. And a
Speaker 4: confidence orientation that's right, And so you can see those
Speaker 4: four things really do interact with each other. And I
Speaker 4: love the way you brought into mental health because in
Speaker 4: their view, the opposite of mental toughness is not mental weakness,
Speaker 4: it's mental sensitivity, which is really interesting, right, because it's
Speaker 4: when people are just mentally sensitive that then can dissuade
Speaker 4: them from from leaning into the discomfort, from doing the
Speaker 4: hard stuff right, and they become easily affected by others.
Speaker 4: Their confidence is affected by other people, and it's not
Speaker 4: an internal sense of confidence. So I really like the
Speaker 4: way you put that together and draw the linkage to
Speaker 4: mental health. When people say to you, I'd love to
Speaker 4: have more or mental toughness, right.
Speaker 2: What sort of a steer do you give them? Wrong?
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 1: Well, Number one, to be mentally tough, you have to
Speaker 1: be in tough situations. So you can't become mentally tough
Speaker 1: very easy. I love it.
Speaker 4: This is the whole thing, right, Sorry to to you
Speaker 4: know the interaction between that and resilience, and there's so
Speaker 4: many tap They'll talk about resilience, about self current, self compassion,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I bang my head off the wall
Speaker 4: and I go, that's necessary. But it's not sufficient to
Speaker 4: be resilient or mentally tough. You have to go through
Speaker 4: hard stuff, right, You have to have the experience exactly.
Speaker 4: Sorry I interrupted you, but it's just I really wanted
Speaker 4: to emphasize.
Speaker 1: Sure. So the good thing about getting into tough situations
Speaker 1: is that we can do so voluntarily. So everyone's familiar
Speaker 1: with the concept of stress, but there are different types
Speaker 1: of stress. There's distress, was the kind of stress that
Speaker 1: beats you down, makes you feel old, tired, and ten
Speaker 1: years older than you actually are. Then you have you stress,
Speaker 1: and you stress, I'm sure you're familiar with it. Yes,
Speaker 1: ss Yeah, a lot of people don't know about you stress,
Speaker 1: but you stress is a real thing, and is the
Speaker 1: kind of is voluntary stress. Is the stress that you
Speaker 1: put yourself on your own purpose because you believe it's
Speaker 1: going to make you better, stronger, tougher for the future. So,
Speaker 1: for example, if you sign up to run a marathon
Speaker 1: and you never even ran around the blot, that's you stress.
Speaker 1: You do it, you know it's going to be tough,
Speaker 1: but you're do it on purpose because it's going to
Speaker 1: make you better. Or when you go to the gym
Speaker 1: and lift heavyweights, that's you stress. If you play a sport,
Speaker 1: you know the coadche is going to make you do
Speaker 1: stuff that you're uncomfortable with. But you sign up for
Speaker 1: a personal trainer, a business coach, you know they're going
Speaker 1: to push you outside of your comfort zone. That's you stress.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of stress we voluntarily sign ourselves up
Speaker 1: for because we understand that going through this hard thing
Speaker 1: is going to make us better. So anyone who wants
Speaker 1: to be more mentally tough, you need to sign yourself
Speaker 1: up for some youth stress activities. That will push you
Speaker 1: outside of what you're used to doing. Now, technically we
Speaker 1: can push ourselves, but the human being has a self
Speaker 1: protection mechanism within us. It does not allow us to
Speaker 1: inflict a certain amount of damage on ourselves. We'll stop ourselves.
Speaker 1: Whereas your trainer cannot feel that your lungs are learning,
Speaker 1: so then make you do the extra set when you
Speaker 1: will allow yourself to not do the extra set so
Speaker 1: you Stress is best is often best administered through someone
Speaker 1: outside of ourselves because they can push us in ways
Speaker 1: that we would never push ourselves.
Speaker 4: And other people in the team, right, you will have
Speaker 4: noticed that I noticed that another day in my military
Speaker 4: and military stuff or our training with a partner.
Speaker 2: Training with a group. When you're training with a group,
Speaker 2: you generally will go further. You lean into that.
Speaker 4: But what I wanted to just explore a little bit
Speaker 4: deeper on this. You've opened a can of worms here
Speaker 4: on this. U stress because I think there's a very
Speaker 4: strong interplay with motivation. So there's a lady I can't
Speaker 4: remember the name of professor written a great book called
Speaker 4: Dopamine Nation and talks about the different ways that we
Speaker 4: can get pamine right, and we can get dopamine from
Speaker 4: eating lots of shit food, taking alcohol, drinking, drinking alto sorry,
Speaker 4: taking drugs. All of those sorts of things release dopamine.
Speaker 4: But what her research shows is that when you do
Speaker 4: stuff that's easy like that and you're indulging, you get
Speaker 4: a dopamine hit. But over time, what happens after that
Speaker 4: dopamine hit is you get a crash.
Speaker 2: You get a dopamine.
Speaker 4: Crash really quite quickly, right, And that's why people reach
Speaker 4: for more and more and more and more and more.
Speaker 4: But what she showed, and you're gonna love this, is
Speaker 4: that when you do hard stuff such as exercise and
Speaker 4: cold exposure, we know that they both release dopamine, but
Speaker 4: the dope you do not get the dopamine crash. Afterwards,
Speaker 4: you continue to feel good and to feel motivated. And
Speaker 4: she thinks it's been the difference between having to work
Speaker 4: for stuff versus having it easy that traditionally is humans.
Speaker 4: We've had to work hard for food, we've had to
Speaker 4: work hard for shelter, for those sorts of things, and
Speaker 4: the act of having to work to get the dopamine
Speaker 4: has a different impact than if we just are handed
Speaker 4: it or get it easy.
Speaker 2: Right, It's really quite cold stuff.
Speaker 4: And it's that that really importance of you stress and
Speaker 4: particularly seeking out hard stuff. How important was that early
Speaker 4: in your career before you became a professional athlete, Like
Speaker 4: did you have that drive in you before you became
Speaker 4: an athlete? Because it's really interesting right where people go
Speaker 4: athletes are they born or are they made?
Speaker 1: Well? I think some are born because they just happened
Speaker 1: to happen to be immensely talented, and you do have
Speaker 1: to hit a certain genetic lottery if you want to
Speaker 1: make it at the pro level of any sport. At
Speaker 1: the same time, there are athletes I consider myself part
Speaker 1: of it, this other group who I had enough ability
Speaker 1: natural ability to where I was eligible. I was above
Speaker 1: the line of eligibility, but there were might be a
Speaker 1: thousand guys above that line, but only one hundred jobs. Right,
Speaker 1: So the reason I was able to make it is
Speaker 1: because I had the grit, the mental toughness to stick
Speaker 1: to itiveness, to kind of fight through that group of
Speaker 1: people to get one of those jobs that not all
Speaker 1: of us was going to get. So for me, going
Speaker 1: back in the story, I didn't start playing basketball so
Speaker 1: I was fourteen. I played other sports but didnt start
Speaker 1: playing nil I was fourteen. I only played one year
Speaker 1: high school ball, so no one was expecting me to
Speaker 1: even make the high school team. Then when I made
Speaker 1: the high school team, no one thought I was going
Speaker 1: to play in college. I played Division three college, So
Speaker 1: even though I was playing, who cares, I mean, you're
Speaker 1: playing Division three outs. This doesn't produce pro players. It's
Speaker 1: not like you're getting drafted to the Lakers from playing
Speaker 1: a Division three college. So even then getting out of college,
Speaker 1: no one was expecting me to go pro. So all
Speaker 1: of these times I had to run off my own energy.
Speaker 1: I had to run off of my own belief and
Speaker 1: my own ignorance, and my belief that I could pop
Speaker 1: to be making as a pro athlete. Because it's not
Speaker 1: like there was anyone or a whole neighborhood of people
Speaker 1: or a senilar person aside for myself, saying there's a
Speaker 1: chance that Dre could become a professional athlete. And for
Speaker 1: good reason, no rational logical person would have looked at
Speaker 1: my background and said, this guy is going to the
Speaker 1: next level from the playground to high school to college
Speaker 1: to that the pro was No one was saying he's
Speaker 1: going to go to the next level whatever whatever I
Speaker 1: was playing that So the only reason I made any
Speaker 1: of those is because of my own I took it
Speaker 1: upon my own volition to try and go and make
Speaker 1: it to the next level. And one thing that I'll
Speaker 1: say in a distance to that pause, there are people
Speaker 1: who I know personally, even family members of mine, people
Speaker 1: from my neighborhoods, players that I've just played within schools
Speaker 1: and seen, who had just as much if not more
Speaker 1: ability as far as physical tools and genetics to play basketball,
Speaker 1: whether to play high school, college, or the pro level,
Speaker 1: but they had no internal drive. They didn't have the
Speaker 1: drive to actually do the stuff. And I would see
Speaker 1: them and say, this person has more holes that I have,
Speaker 1: but they clearly don't want to do it. And what
Speaker 1: I tell people is that you want to find someone
Speaker 1: who becomes highly successful need a combination of can do
Speaker 1: and want to. You need both. Is it if someone
Speaker 1: has the can do without the want to, they become
Speaker 1: an underachiever. You have the want to without the can do,
Speaker 1: you are mediocre. And when you have both, you get magic.
Speaker 4: And you just beautifully free about the last part of
Speaker 4: your mindset, which is around that personal initiative thing. So
Speaker 4: just quickly talk us through the whole idea of you
Speaker 4: talked earlier on about the so the mindset, the strategy,
Speaker 4: the system.
Speaker 2: We've touched on those things.
Speaker 4: Let's talk a little bit about the accountability and the implementation.
Speaker 4: So just give people a little bit of a guide
Speaker 4: around that, because I think accountability is really important in
Speaker 4: all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, going right along what we talked about. When it
Speaker 1: comes to mental toughness and being pushed, that you stress
Speaker 1: usually comes from someone holding somewhere are something you accountable
Speaker 1: at a level that may be above what you're used to.
Speaker 1: And that's how we make ourselves better. So when people
Speaker 1: talk about one percent better every day, well, if we're
Speaker 1: left to our own devices, we usually don't get one
Speaker 1: percent better every day. So we need something that's going
Speaker 1: to push us. Okay, can you do a little bit
Speaker 1: better than you did last time? So you did eleven
Speaker 1: to pull ups last time? Can you do twelve now?
Speaker 1: Can you do fifteen?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Can you do twenty? And we usually can as long
Speaker 1: as we are cognizant of it and conscious of it,
Speaker 1: we can do a lot more when we're conscious and
Speaker 1: intentional about pushing ourselves. But again that the human brain
Speaker 1: tends is default to what we're used to doing, so
Speaker 1: that accountability and implementation is about having something or someone
Speaker 1: around us to keep holding us to a standard that
Speaker 1: we want to get to, whether that means moving ourselves forward,
Speaker 1: continue to do what we're supposed to do. For some
Speaker 1: people that's the accomplishment. Just showing up consistently is a thing.
Speaker 1: For other people, showing up, they got that part down.
Speaker 1: It's about how do I get better when I show up?
Speaker 1: So it depends on who the person is and what
Speaker 1: they want to do. But the whole point for people
Speaker 1: like yourself and myself Paul as coach, is one of
Speaker 1: the main things that people come to us for, especially
Speaker 1: the high performers, is they want accountability. It's not that
Speaker 1: they don't know what to do, It's not that they
Speaker 1: don't know how to do it. They want someone who
Speaker 1: will hold them accountable. Is not going to bullshit them.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna tell them that it's okay when they
Speaker 1: didn't do what they told me they were going to
Speaker 1: do the last time we talked. They want someone whos
Speaker 1: gonna hold them accountable, like, hey, you're not doing what
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do. Let's get let's get ourselves in
Speaker 1: gear and get back on horse and do what we're
Speaker 1: supposed to do. I find high level performers usually are
Speaker 1: not looking for someone to tell them what to do.
Speaker 1: They're looking for someone to just keep a foot in
Speaker 1: their back, so to speak, to keep doing what they're
Speaker 1: supposed to do. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, I like to talk about accountability partners, which is
Speaker 3: what you're really talking about there, because.
Speaker 4: They kind of help you when the motivation of the
Speaker 4: discipline is winning a little bit. That accountability really does
Speaker 4: help you to step up. And so me, what would
Speaker 4: you say, overall, all, like this stuff's have been great,
Speaker 4: what is the most valuable thing that people get from you, know,
Speaker 4: ringing your books, attaining your courses, your seminars, those sorts
Speaker 4: of things. What if I'm to try to pin you
Speaker 4: down to one thing, what would you say that it.
Speaker 1: Is, Paul, My superpower is my ability to take things
Speaker 1: that some people may see as complex, and I can
Speaker 1: break them down and make them simple and digestible for anybody,
Speaker 1: even if they have never considered the concept.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that, and uh and I can see
Speaker 4: just through this this this interview, Hi, that you have
Speaker 4: actually codified that and created a nice structure and.
Speaker 2: All the things that people need to be successful.
Speaker 4: And I love the fact that it straddles that your
Speaker 4: system straddles both personal life, business and sport. Where can
Speaker 4: people go to so this has been awesome. Where can
Speaker 4: people go to find out more about you?
Speaker 2: Your courses, your books? Because you got an old shit
Speaker 2: heap of content. So where are we saying people?
Speaker 1: Well, you can go to work on your game. University
Speaker 1: dot com. So that's where we do all of our
Speaker 1: all of our coaching, our massimize, our courses, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Is just all that work on your game university dot com.
Speaker 1: You can schedule time and get on have a conversation
Speaker 1: with us. We talk about where you're at, where you
Speaker 1: want to go, and if we can possibly help you,
Speaker 1: we'll tell you how it looks cool?
Speaker 2: Awesome?
Speaker 3: All right too? He and socials? What about socials? Where's
Speaker 3: the best place from a socials perspective? Or do we
Speaker 3: just want people to go to the university, Well, you.
Speaker 1: Go to the university site. But if you like social media,
Speaker 1: I'm on all of them. What do you use in
Speaker 1: most most of these days? Pall social media.
Speaker 4: I gotta say I'm not particularly good at social media,
Speaker 4: probably Instagram and LinkedIn, and we'll be the ones that
Speaker 4: I would use, but I would be more linked in.
Speaker 4: But I know lots of people love YouTube, TikTok, Instagram.
Speaker 2: You on all of them?
Speaker 1: Are I'm on everything and what's interesting? When I found
Speaker 1: Paul and then you might want to look into this.
Speaker 1: TikTok has been great for us. I'm knowing TikTok.
Speaker 2: I've been hearing that more and more, right.
Speaker 1: Personal personal, professional development for I don't know, maybe it's
Speaker 1: just me, but TikTok has been outpacing all the other
Speaker 1: apps in terms of growth for me over the last month,
Speaker 1: TikTok has been killing it.
Speaker 4: You know, I had this exact same conversation yesterday with
Speaker 4: a podcaster. He was interviewing me on a podcast and
Speaker 4: he said to me, mate, you need to get on TikTok.
Speaker 1: To get on TikTok for us twice. Now you get
Speaker 1: on TikTok, that's yeah, I have to a third time.
Speaker 3: Then there's something wrong with me, right, yeah, right? This
Speaker 3: has been awesome. Thank you for sharing your wisdom. I
Speaker 3: think people will get lots out of that just following
Speaker 3: that process. But so people, if you want to really
Speaker 3: enhance your chances of success work on your game. University
Speaker 3: dot com Drey Bowman, thanks very much.
Speaker 1: Paul, thank you for having me on. I appreciate you
Speaker 1: sharing your platform