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I'll get that all put together. 28 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 3: And the other thing you can do is just leave 29 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 3: us a message about what you like about the podcast, 30 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 3: what you don't like about the podcast day I talk 31 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 3: too much, all of that sort of stuff, and just 32 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 3: give us some feedback and we will use that to 33 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 3: continuously improve. So looking forward to hearing from you now 34 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 3: home with the podcast. 35 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: Dre Baldwin, Welcome to the podcast. 36 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: Hey Paul, I'm excited to be here. Thank you for 37 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: having me. 38 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: And where abuch do we find you? 39 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: Miami, Florida? 40 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: Oh jeez, what's it like there? 41 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: I I'm beautiful, always beautiful, and maybe get of course, 42 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: you get the rainy season and get a couple of 43 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: storm scares, maybe one or two every year. 44 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 4: But a couple of big ones, A couple of big 45 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 4: ones lately. 46 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, but most of the time I'm crossing my fingers. 47 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: Knocking wood doesn't always hit us directly, at least not 48 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: here in Miami. So I'll take that as a trade 49 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 1: off for eighty degree weather and up yearn. 50 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 4: Yes, so yeah, absolutely, And so did you escape the 51 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 4: big storm recently? 52 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: Yeah? The big one that just came through. We didn't 53 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: even get rain here in Miami and went more further 54 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: further north, sort of middle part of the state, and 55 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: it came from the west side, and Miami's on the east. 56 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 2: Soup. 57 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, right, it's a bit of a lottery this 58 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 4: time of year, isn't it so? Drey, You are an 59 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 4: ex professional athlete, the next professional basketball player, and now 60 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 4: you coach people on high performance, whether it's in business 61 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 4: or life. Before we get into the stuff that you 62 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 4: talk to people about, talk me through just some of 63 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 4: the highs and lows about being a professional athlete. 64 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 2: Give us a little bit of an insight. 65 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: As far as being an athlete. It's mostly highs. I 66 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: would say ninety seven percent highs because what I tell people, 67 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: even as an entrepreneur now, Paul, that being a professional 68 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: athlete is the best job that you will ever have, 69 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: and there's no job better than it's ten times better 70 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: than what I do now. I love what I do now. 71 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: Being a professional athlete is better because you're literally playing 72 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: a game for a lily. And most people play games 73 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: when they get off of work. We play games we're 74 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: at work, and we're getting paid to play the game. 75 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: It's not even networds, just playing it. We're getting paid 76 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: to play the game, and then you're getting to travel around, 77 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: usually on the dime of the team. If you're on 78 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: a team sport, they're paying for it. They're paying your food, 79 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: they're paying your travel, they're paying the hotels, and they 80 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: give you a sour for playing the sport. And all 81 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: you have to do is you got to be pretty 82 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: damn good, but you got to you just play a sport. 83 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: So those are the highs of it. And then everyone 84 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: knows you for playing that sport. They know you as 85 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: that person who plays that sport, so you're usually pretty 86 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: well known because of that. And I mean, I can't 87 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: really think of any lows of it. The only lows 88 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: there are things that you compare to when you're comparing 89 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: in it too. Let's say no everyday life, there may 90 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 1: be some way was like, hey, you got to show 91 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: up to work every day, or you have to go 92 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: to practice the times you don't want to go to practice, 93 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: or you had to be one of the top two 94 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: percent in the world so you can keep your job. 95 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to call those of those, sure, 96 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: but I couldn't really think of anything that I would 97 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: consider a downside of being a pro athlete if you 98 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: have the game to actually get in. 99 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, and the mental game, what was what was the 100 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 4: mental Did you feel a lot of pressure, because I 101 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 4: know a lot of athletes these days. Are some athletes 102 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 4: feel a huge amount of pressure? Or did you just 103 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 4: love for the game and what you were doing? Did 104 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 4: that just overcome that and it was a more of 105 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:38,559 Speaker 4: a joy. 106 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: Anytime there was any pressure that I even started to 107 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: think about, or say I'm on the team and I'm 108 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: not getting as much playing time as I want, or 109 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: I don't like the teammates, or I don't like the 110 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: apartment they had me set up in, or WiFi is 111 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: not working. I would always remind myself, Paul, look what 112 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: I'm doing. All right, Look what I'm doing. I'm traveling 113 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: the world playing a sport. Who am I going to 114 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: complain to? And who am I going to tell about this? 115 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: I can't say people back home, because none of them 116 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: is living the kind of way that I'm living. So 117 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: I always anytime I caught myself even thinking like that, 118 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: even for a minute, immediately canceled it out by saying, 119 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: look where you're at, You're in filming the name of 120 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: whatever country I was in playing basketball for a living. Again, 121 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: what do you have to complain about if you get 122 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: out of here? What are you gonna do? What were 123 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: you doing before this? And so I yes, some athletes 124 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: do feel pressure these days because I think in the 125 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: world that we're in now, I stop playing in twenty fifteen, 126 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: get people a time frame here, But the world that 127 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: we're in now, I think people are generally as a 128 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: society just more mentally weak than they were in the 129 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: era that people like myself and yourself come from. So 130 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: they are looking at these things that we said, I 131 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: actually like this kind of pressure. I had the kind 132 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: of pressure that I have to play great in every practice, 133 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: in every game otherwise I lose my job. Where they 134 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: were looking at it like it's some type of burden. Again, 135 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: I don't. I never allow myself to think. 136 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 4: That with I like the way that you brought in 137 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 4: gratitude to come to that pressure. But let's let's not 138 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 4: talk about what a lot of athletes do struggle with. 139 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 4: And that is the transition, right, the transition from being 140 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 4: in the top two percent of your field in the world, 141 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 4: and you know, all of that travel, all that awesome 142 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 4: stuff that you talked about and now all of a sudden, 143 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 4: you're just a regular guy. How did you find that 144 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 4: transition and you know what sort of struggles whether and 145 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 4: how did you overcome them. 146 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: Well, that transition was a little bit different from me, 147 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: and it was easier for me because of the way 148 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: that it was different because Paul I come from a 149 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: Division three couch. So here in the United States, Division 150 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: three is the third tier of sports. That's not usually 151 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: a level that produces pro players, So they're always looking 152 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: at your pedigree your whole career to looking at where 153 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: you came from because that tells them, I guess it 154 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: cloves people into hu much talent you might have a 155 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: right no matter what you did in your previous steps. 156 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: So I understood it from the very first opportunity I 157 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,679 Speaker 1: got to play professionally that there might not be a second, 158 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: and when I got the second, they may not be 159 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,239 Speaker 1: a third. So I always had that on my mind. 160 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: So I started to build what became my business now 161 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: while I was still playing, because there was a time 162 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: when I didn't have a job. There was a time 163 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: I was in between jobs. I was a unemployed professional athlete, 164 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: and that's when I started focusing more on building what 165 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: we now call personal brand on the internet, writing books, 166 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: creating courses, you know, making products. All eventually moved into 167 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: coaching people and building this brand online where I was 168 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: making money just from the fact that I was publishing 169 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: content and building an audience. So I had that stuff 170 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: going for me the whole second half of my career. 171 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: My career was almost a decade long, so that last 172 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: five years I had that stuff going. When I wasn't 173 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: on the court, I was on a computer doing those things. 174 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: And good thing about being a pro athlete is that 175 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot of downtime. Yeah, a long day of 176 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: work is like four hours, so you do whatever you want. 177 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: So when you see athletes out there, specifically football and 178 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: basketball players making terrible rap music, is because we got 179 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: a lot of time on our hands. I just happened 180 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: to get on the internet and write books. They decided 181 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: to get the studio and make music, and. 182 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 4: What was the It's really interesting because you started then 183 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 4: succession planning for your career. 184 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: Right when you were in the middle of. 185 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 4: Your career, right, which is is quite unusual, particularly I 186 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,679 Speaker 4: think back in those days. So you would have started 187 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 4: your succession planning maybe twenty ten exactly, and we still 188 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 4: had five years to go. Where did that come from? 189 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 4: Was that just something in your mind that you were 190 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 4: a more aware than others that this could stop at 191 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 4: any time? Or did you have a coach or somebody 192 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 4: who kind of got in your head and had said, hey, Dre, 193 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 4: you want to think about the long game here, not 194 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 4: just a short. 195 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: Game answers a combination of several things. Was you just 196 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: said there, you touched on a bunch of them. So 197 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: number one, I never considered a succession plan. I was 198 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: just like, how do I pay my bills if I 199 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: don't get another phone call and another opportunity to play basketball? 200 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: And I knew I wanted to combine basketball with the 201 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: Internet with making money because I'm a little bit of 202 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: a closet internet geek for a lot of people don't 203 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: know that. So I was always into computers and stuff. 204 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I had this athletic ability, 205 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: So I took the detour through sports before I came 206 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: back to the computers. So what happened is, as I 207 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: told you, I didn't know how long my career was 208 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: going to last. Sometimes the job opportunities weren't coming. So 209 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: if the call phone wasn't coming, phone wasn't ringing, I 210 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: was asking myself, well, this phone doesn't ring again, what 211 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: am I going to do? How can I take what 212 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm already doing on the internet with basketball? Because I 213 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: had an audience on YouTube who was just watching me 214 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: do drills and stuff. How can I take that audience 215 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: and combine it with doing something that has to do 216 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: with computers because I knew I had a little bit 217 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: of precociousness on computers, and is there a way to 218 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: make money through the internet? And that was all starting 219 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: to happen around that about that two thousand and nine 220 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: through twenty eleven time period. Now, as far as me 221 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: having anybody in my ear, not directly, but let me 222 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: tell you where that did come from. The fact that 223 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: I was even thinking this way was when I was 224 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: in college back around two thousand and two two thousand 225 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: and three, I got invited to a meeting where someone asked, well, 226 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: the bulletin board postly said, do you want to make 227 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: some extra money in the summertime. I responded to this 228 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: because this is before college athletes could make money off 229 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: of name, image and likeness. So if you played a 230 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: college right. It was like you had two jobs, you 231 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: had full time student workload, and you had playing a 232 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 1: sport and you couldn't You were not allowed to make 233 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: money based off of the fact that you were an athlete. 234 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: So I responded to that. Turns out this guy was 235 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: doing network marketing or what some people call multi level marketing. 236 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: And I did not build a career there, but I 237 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: dabbled in it and when I was in college, and 238 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: it was there that I learned about two things. Number one, 239 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: personal development, because the people in the meetings would say, 240 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: if you're going to build a business, you have to 241 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: build up yourself. Your business cannot grow anymore than you grow. 242 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: That made perfect sense to me. And number two is 243 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: that these people were explaining entrepreneurship. And even though I 244 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: have a four year degree in business, the things that 245 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: were being taught at that network marketing meeting were never 246 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: told to me in four years of sitting in college 247 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: lecture halls. So that's what opened my mind to entrepreneurship. 248 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: And then I went and started reading the books like 249 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: Robert Kiyosaki, risktat Poor Dad Right, eventually moved on and 250 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: read Tim Ferris. It was kind of like the digital 251 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: version of risktat Poor Dad if you really think about it, 252 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: And those books started to inspire me to think, Okay, 253 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: I started thinking entrepreneurially. I knew I was going to 254 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: play basketball, but after basketball, I don't want to go 255 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: and do the regular work thing. Because the adults that 256 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: I saw around me growing up, they looked at work 257 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: like a necessary evil. They worked nine to five jobs 258 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: for the most part, and they never talked about work 259 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: like they were excited to go do it, like I'm 260 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: excited to get on this and have this conversation with you. 261 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: We're working right now. But when I would see my 262 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: parents going to work as kids, they talked about work 263 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 1: like I have to go to work. Now, I get 264 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: to go to work. And looking at that, I figured, well, 265 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 1: why do I want to go get a degree just 266 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: so I can do this for the next forty years. 267 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: So when I saw the internet as an opportunity where 268 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: you could kind of make money through self expression for 269 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: lack of a better term, I said, this is what 270 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: I want to do. So when I as soon as 271 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: I saw any opportunity that you can monetize doing things 272 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: on the internet, that's basically you putting your own personality 273 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: and your own ideas and thoughts out there. I jumped 274 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: on it. So that's so my coach, I guess you 275 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: could say, was the combination of network marketing, Robert Kyosaki 276 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: and Tim Fair. Yeah. 277 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 2: Nice. 278 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 4: And so then you wrote a book called Work on 279 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 4: Your Game, And I love the title, and I think 280 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 4: most people would kind of get it straight away that 281 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 4: the sporting analogy. But working on your own game, You're 282 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 4: obviously all over the internet, got a big following. Talked 283 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 4: me through the process of writing the book. Right, when 284 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 4: did that first pop into your mind? And what came first? 285 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 4: Was it the internet stuff about working on your game? 286 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 4: Or was it the book that drove the Internet? Which 287 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 4: one was first? 288 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: Internet was first. So I started belonging in two thousand 289 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: and five. Now I never blew up from blogging, but 290 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: I was blogging and YouTube came out that same year, 291 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: two thousand and five. So I got on YouTube same 292 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: year it came out, and I was just putting out 293 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: content to teach basketball players how to dribble, shoot, how 294 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: to dounk, how to jump higher, et cetera. And it 295 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: was around that two thousand and nine time period where again, 296 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: as I told your phone wasn't ringing. So I started 297 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: looking for ways to make money, and the players had 298 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: been asking me to make programs to help them individually. 299 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: Then somebody gave me the idea just in the YouTube comment, 300 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: Hey Dremont, you just write down what you do and 301 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: let other people follow your process. That's where I got 302 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: my first product. I did, and my products were selling fast. 303 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: Four dollars and ninety nine cents US. All right, so 304 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: five dollar products. That's where I started. That was my 305 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: first product on the internet. It was five hours. Now. As 306 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: far as the books go, that came about a year. 307 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: About a year later I wrote my first book, was 308 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: called by a Game. Is the only book in mind 309 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: to say narrative. It's actually right there above my ear 310 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: picture of me right there. That's the only book where 311 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: I'm just telling the story, like when I first started 312 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: playing ball up through college. All the rest of my 313 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: books are personal and professional development such as work on 314 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: your Game and how I write those books. I mostly 315 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: write my books on my phone. I type on the 316 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: phone really fast, and you're kidding, no, I type, I 317 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: can type really get it on your phone really quick. 318 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: Wow. 319 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: And now now Paul, we have the talk to texts things. 320 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: So now you can just hit the microphone and you 321 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: can say things and it will write down what you say. Now, 322 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: the key to that is you have to learn how 323 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: to talk in a way that it reads properly, because 324 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: if you just talk normally. For example, we just took 325 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: the transcript of this and would not go back a book. 326 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 4: You would have to do a lot of editor And 327 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 4: then I'll tell you what, particularly particularly my section, because 328 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 4: trying to understand my iris accent from talk to text. 329 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: They pretty good. I think they got it. Nowadays they 330 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: have the skills that understand it you're talk in English, 331 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: they get it. But I know how to talk in 332 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: a way that it reads like a paragraph. Yes, so 333 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: I've learned by doing it over the years. So these 334 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: days there's a couple of different ways that I do it. 335 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: There is, of course, you still have to sit there 336 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: and take stuff, which I don't always do as much. 337 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: I usually will do that after so my first draft. 338 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: Even if I'm writing an article, Let's say I want 339 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: to write a blog post, I will speak it out 340 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: into Google Docs. Then I'll go back and edit it 341 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: to make sure it reads properly. I do that same 342 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: thing with my books. And also there's a way, there's 343 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: a process where then I have some of my clients 344 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: do this where I'll just give them a bunch of questions. 345 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: I give them like twenty questions about there, whatever the 346 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: subject is, and I tell them just record your answer 347 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: to the question in audio, just recorded on your phone 348 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: or whatever. Send me the audio file. I'll get that transcribed, 349 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: and then we clean it up to make that into 350 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: what it needs to be for people who are not 351 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: like natural writers. And these days, I mean, I don't 352 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: know how much you pay attention to automation and text stuff, 353 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: but nowadays they're making it even easier. So writing a 354 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: book is going to be like writing what's gonna be 355 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: like posting a tweet pretty soon. So I don't get 356 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: a lot of them out there. 357 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 4: I reckon my next book. I might, I might. I 358 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 4: might narrate my book and see how I see how 359 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 4: they talk to text? 360 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 2: Does? 361 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: Oh yes you should. 362 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: Let's talk about let's talk about what. 363 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 4: Your the work on your game is all about. 364 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: Give us the high level overview of that. 365 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: Sure, so work on your game. And I didn't answer 366 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: your question about the book, but I did that mostly 367 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: through audio recording it and then just type it out, 368 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: so work on your game. The entire philosophy the book 369 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: also is all about taking the tools to help athletes 370 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: reach the top of the sports world and translating those 371 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: tools over to the business and professional world to help 372 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: people perform at their highest chuggle, do so consistently and 373 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: produce results. That's what we're all about here, is performance, 374 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: consistency and results. 375 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I actually I talk a lot to corporates 376 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 4: about the science of peak performance in the world of 377 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 4: professional sport, and I think that business can learn a 378 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 4: shitload from professional sport, particularly about sustainable peak performance, right, 379 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 4: about not just getting to the top of your game, 380 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 4: but actually staying to the top of your at the 381 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 4: top of your game, all of the effort that needs. 382 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: To go into it. 383 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 4: But also I think the big difference I tend to 384 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 4: find between professional sport and high level business is the 385 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 4: quality of recovery. Right. Yes, if we think about that, right, 386 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 4: athletes recover professionally. 387 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: Most business people. 388 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 4: After a highly stressful week or a stressful day will 389 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 4: come home, drink alcohol, eat ship food, and destroy their sleep, 390 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 4: right people, but quite a lot of business people, So 391 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 4: that's one massive difference. But let's talk about how everyday 392 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 4: people can use the stuff that you talk about in 393 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 4: working on your camp. 394 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: Sure, and what you just said there, I concur is 395 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: I have the coaching clients of mind exact issue. They 396 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: work really hard in an office and they come home 397 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: and they're going into pantry were they're not supposed to drink, 398 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: and drinks that they don't want to drink and not 399 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: stand in shape. They want to stay in So absolutely, 400 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: and as far as how these things translate, well, we 401 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: can just take the tools. So the first foundation of 402 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: what we do here as mindset. And on the mindset 403 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: we have four pillars discipline, confidence, mental toughness, personal initiative. 404 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: These are all things that an athlete needs if they're 405 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: going to make it, and it's the same thing that 406 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: a professional or entrepreneur needs if they're going to make it. 407 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: We move from the mindset into the strategy, which is 408 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: simply a plan of action. What exactly are we going 409 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: to do? How are we going to do it? Third, 410 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: is the system. Once we figure out doing these things 411 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: produces the result that we want, how do we codify 412 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: it and make a process out of it so we 413 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: can do the same things the same way. Every time. 414 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: And then the fourth piece of the accountability slash implementation, 415 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: which is how do we make sure that everything is 416 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: working the way that it's supposed to. That includes both 417 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 1: the process and the people. And we put those four 418 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: pieces together and that's our framework. 419 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 2: Very cool. I like it. 420 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 4: And let's talk about the mindset stuff. I think I 421 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 4: want to do a deep dive on that. So you 422 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 4: said there was four things. There was discipline, confidence, mental toughness. 423 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 2: What was the fourth one? 424 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: Personal initiative? 425 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: Personal initiative. I want to start with the big one. 426 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 4: Let's start with the D word, right, because I find 427 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 4: that that particularly when I work in a lot of 428 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 4: health behavior change and you know, people talking about achieving 429 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 4: their goals and something that just does not come up 430 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 4: enough is discipline. How important do you think that discipline 431 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 4: is in terms of success in life in general, whether 432 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 4: that be sport, business, or personal stuff. 433 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: Is the biggest thing. And that's the reason why you 434 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: notice the first that is the differentiator between the people 435 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: who max out or come close to masking out on 436 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: their potential of those who don't is the discipline. Because 437 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: everyone understands the concept of motivation and if you tell someone, hey, 438 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: here's a motivational message to you, I might listen to it. 439 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: I don't mind motivation when I can get it. But 440 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: at the same time, there are times that you're not 441 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: going to be motivated, you're not going to feel good, 442 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: and the situation is not you're not getting all the 443 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: green lights, like things are not working in your favor, 444 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: but there is still a job that needs to be done. 445 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: Because the key to being a professional, I mean the 446 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: definition of professionals someone who does something is their main 447 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: paid occupation Paulton. If you're gonna do something that's your 448 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: main paid occupation, that means you have to do it 449 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: consistently because you're expecting the check to come in consistently. 450 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: But at the same time, we don't feel motivated consistently. 451 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: All right, some days we are, some days we're not. 452 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: So on the days when you're not motivated, what do 453 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: you do? How do you show up? Do you show 454 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: up at all? And we have a whole framework around 455 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: that called the third day. And what makes the professional 456 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: the professional is that when they are not motivated, they 457 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: still show up and deliver at such a level that 458 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: you would not know that they were not motivated that 459 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: day because their performance is consisting across the board. Yeah. 460 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I often talk and particularly you can see how 461 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 4: this translates into health, right and people's health and their behaviors. 462 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 4: And I find that there are a lot of people, 463 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 4: and this is both in business and in personal life, 464 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 4: who are waiting for the motivation fairy to come along 465 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 4: and give them a big dollop of motivation. And they think, 466 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 4: when I get the motivation, then I'm going to take action. 467 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 4: And I always said to these people, you want the 468 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 4: motivation for hery to come take action, because motivation follows action, 469 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 4: not the other way around. 470 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 2: Right. 471 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 4: I think there's a whole heap of neuroscience research right 472 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 4: now that shows that when you're bring and knows that 473 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 4: you're in forward motion towards your goal, that's when it 474 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 4: releases dopamine, the chemical of col directed behavior and motivation. 475 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 4: So I love the way that you have that interaction 476 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 4: between motivation and discipline. But let's talk about the interplay 477 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 4: between discipline and confidence. 478 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 2: Sure, all right, talk to our audience about that. 479 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: Most people, if I ask audiences of just every day people, 480 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: what internal trait do you want more of? Most people 481 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: say confidence. They want to feel more self esteem, healthier 482 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 1: self in is they just want to feel more bold 483 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: and more just feel better about themselves, because most people 484 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: rightly assume that if they feel more confident, they'll probably 485 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: try more stuff, eventually achieve more stuff, and they can 486 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: live more life and be more successful. So there's nothing 487 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: wrong with wanting to be more confident. Confidence is a 488 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: big thing, and people can feel confidence coming off of 489 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: you when you have it, and they also feel me 490 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: you don't have it. The issue is most people don't 491 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: know how to go about acquiring confidence, go about it incorrectly, 492 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: doing things like faking it till you make it, which 493 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: not really a real thing, and I'm sure we can 494 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: talk about that if you like. But where confidence actually 495 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: comes from is disciplined. Discipline creates confidence. And anytime you 496 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: know someone who is highly confident at what they do 497 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: and it's real confidence, you'll usually if you look behind it, 498 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: you'll find that they are highly disciplined and the same 499 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: thing that they're confident in. Because confidence is simply your 500 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: belief in your ability to do a thing. And where 501 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 1: does that come from. Belief comes from your past. We 502 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: believe things because in the past, for some reason, we 503 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: have seen that if we do this, we get this. 504 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: So the discipline of doing the work last week leads 505 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: to the confidence of doing the performance today. So the 506 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,959 Speaker 1: more disciplined you are willing to be, and the more 507 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: discipline you're willing to enforce on yourself if you will, 508 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: then the more confident you're going to be at that thing. 509 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: So it's like if you practice shooting the free throws 510 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: and the nty gym, then you get into the game, 511 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 1: you are more confident that you can make the free 512 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: throws because you know you've already done it. That's where 513 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: confidence comes from, is having a discipline challenges. Most people 514 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: don't want to be disciplined, or they don't enact the discipline, 515 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: or they go about being disciplined the wrong way and 516 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: trying to force feed it. So most of the time 517 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: when people are talking to me about discipline, they'll say, well, 518 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: I just I just need to get more motivated. I 519 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: just need to wake up early. I just need to 520 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: make myself go to the gym. I just need to 521 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: record episodes of my podcast. Finally, I just need to 522 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: finish writing this book. That's what most people say. Anytime 523 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: someone starts the sentence what I just need to usually 524 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 1: means that they've been trying it for years and they 525 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: haven't done it, and they just tell themselves, Well, they 526 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: tell themselves the same thing over and over yet and 527 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: they end up not doing it. Where discipline comes from 528 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: the structure. So when you have the right structure, that 529 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: structure leads to the discipline, because if you just follow 530 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: a structure or process, then discipline comes out as a byproduct. 531 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: It's like it falls out of the bottom of the funnel. 532 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: Then when you're disciplined, that means the confidence, the confidence 533 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: to performance and the performance to results. 534 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 4: Man, there's so much stuff that you said that we 535 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 4: could just unpot I think there's a couple of big 536 00:23:58,800 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 4: ones up on a double click caf. 537 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 2: The one that you hinted. 538 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 4: About process and for me, process beats goals every day 539 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 4: of the week. Right, it's the process is how you 540 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 4: actually get there. But the other one was about that 541 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 4: that fake it till you make it. And really what 542 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 4: you were talking about there is confidence comes from trusting yourself. 543 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 2: Right. 544 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 4: It's that if you don't have trust in yourself that 545 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 4: you can do it, that there just is no confidence. 546 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 2: It's all just the fake stuff. 547 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 4: And talk us through that, just that fake it till 548 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 4: you make it and why that just is just a 549 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 4: meme that doesn't land in reality. 550 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 2: Right, there is so much that you said. 551 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 4: I really want to dive into that whole idea of 552 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 4: the interaction between the discipline to do stuff that then 553 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 4: gives you the trust that then gives you the real confidence, 554 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 4: not the fear confidence. So talk us through the difference 555 00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 4: of those things. 556 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: Go to the story of Cinderoa. So the story of Cinderoa, 557 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: she's into the rags and she's washing dishes at home 558 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: and then she gets the beautiful ball gown. But she 559 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: gets a warning that when the cock strikes twelve, this 560 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: beautiful ball gown is going to turn the rags again. 561 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: That's what fake it till you make it is like. 562 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: So you can fake it and be Cinderolla, but when 563 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: a cock strikes twelve, you have to go back to 564 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: where the rags, go back to who you were. So 565 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: people need to understand that the subconscious mind takes things literally. 566 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: So when you tell your subconscious that you are faking it, 567 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: you're faking being something that you're not. The subconscious understands 568 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: that at some point this faking must end and we 569 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: have to go back to being who we true we are. 570 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: That's the issue with faking it till you make it 571 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: is that it must come to an end when instead 572 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: what you want to do is you want to step 573 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: into a certain frame, step into a certain posture, and 574 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,959 Speaker 1: become it, rather than fake it and becoming it simply 575 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: means you're telling yourself that I am this person, not 576 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: that I'm pretending to be this person. So you don't 577 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: want to pretend to be something that you're not, because again, 578 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: there's only some long that you can sustain that, because 579 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: you all know the human the human being cannot behave 580 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: in a way that is incongruent with the way that 581 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: you truly see yourself for an extended period of time. 582 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: So this is why faking it till you make it 583 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: is not a real thing. An example that I use 584 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: is a basketball player. He's in high school and the 585 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: coach says, today, I'm going to have each one of 586 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: you pretend to be one of your teammates as an 587 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: experiment so you all can show each other what kind 588 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: of player you are. So whatever mistakes you always make, 589 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: your teammate who is supposed to be you, they're going 590 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,479 Speaker 1: to make those mistakes and whatever you do well, your 591 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: teammate is going to do that well, so you can 592 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: show each other who you are, so you're not hearing 593 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: it from me the coach all the time. And this 594 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: random player he gets a sign to be the best 595 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: player on the team, and the best player on the 596 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: teams is a leading score. He has a D one scholarship. 597 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: And this day, this player who gets a sign to 598 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: be the best player on the team, he goes out 599 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: and has this amazing day in practice. He's doing moves 600 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: that he never tries. He's making shots that he never 601 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: even attempts. His teammates are looking at him like, where'd 602 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: all this come from? Because he never does this stuff. 603 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: And what he had done is step into what I 604 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: call the super you. That's our framework that we use 605 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: for confidence, is called the super You. And the thing 606 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: is he did not automatically just magically develop all these 607 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: skills just because the coach told him to pretend to 608 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: be the best player on the team, and because really 609 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: he wasn't really pretending. All he was doing was unlocking 610 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 1: abilities that he already had within him. But what he 611 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: needed was the permission not only to bring out those abilities, 612 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: but more importantly, there's eighty percent of it, Paul, the 613 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: permission to stop conforming to being the person you've always been. 614 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: That's really what confidence is about, is giving yourself the 615 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: permission to stop being the person that you think everybody 616 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: else thinks once and expects you to be. The reason 617 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: many people do not change is and you talked about 618 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: this a little bit earlier, when it comes to that momentum, right, 619 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: it's the law of inertia that an object in motion 620 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: sens remained in that same motion. So if we've been 621 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: a certain type of person for the last thirty years, 622 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: is pretty hard to just change that in thirty seconds. 623 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: It's not that it's impossible, it's just hard to do 624 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: because we're so used to following our own habits. The 625 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: good news is that with the snap of a finger 626 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: you can get out of that. You just have to 627 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: get into the right mental state to get yourself to 628 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: change when you want to change. It kind of its 629 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: kind of like a you know, Tony Raminson, you know 630 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: when they have he has you walking across the fire, right, 631 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: it's a mental state. You get into the state. You 632 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: could walk cross coals anytime you want, but you have 633 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: to get in the right mental state to where your 634 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: mind is not defeating you before you step on the fire. 635 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 4: And lots of this again comes back to trust, and 636 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 4: trust in yourself comes from knowing that you have the 637 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 4: skills and resources to be able to execute right. So, 638 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 4: but let's just dive into discipline a little bit. So 639 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 4: I'm sure you have been asked this a thousand times, 640 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 4: and if either of us had the one hundred percent. 641 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 2: Feel safe method, we'd be multi millionaires. 642 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 4: But what can some what can people do to If 643 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 4: people say to you, oh, I get disciplined, but I'm 644 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 4: just not disciplined. 645 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 2: How do I bring more discipline into my life? 646 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: Great question? Get some structure. And here's the easy thing 647 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: about getting structure is that it already exists. You just 648 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: have to plug yourself into it. So, for example, if 649 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: someone wants to lose weight, they might get in shape. 650 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: They've been going to the gym for months and they 651 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: haven't really lost the weight they want to lose at 652 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: the paces they want to lose it at. If they 653 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: keep going to the gym for the next two years, 654 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: they will probably end up losing that last fifty pounds. 655 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: The thing is, if they were to hire a personal trainer, 656 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: who actually knows what they're doing and will keep them 657 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: on a regiment when they get to the gym, so 658 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: they're actually working out during that hour instead of sitting 659 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: on the machine looking at their phone. Then over that, 660 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: then that that personal training will help this person lose 661 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: fifty pounds in the next six months. Now, the investment 662 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: to pay the personal trainer, whatever it costs, what you're 663 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: buying is not the loss of fifty pounds which're buying 664 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: is a year and a half of time, because what 665 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: it took you two years to do it by yourself 666 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: is going to take you six months with the personal trainer. 667 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: The trainer is going to represent structure because they're going 668 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: to tell you what's time to come to the gym, 669 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: what's time to leave, what to do while you're there, 670 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: what you can and can't eat between now and the 671 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: next workout. Now you have structure. That structure produces discipline. 672 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: The discipline produces the confidence. The confidence produces the outcomes. 673 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: So that's how it works. Another example of this, the 674 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: flip side of this is, for example, when we were 675 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: in elementary school and we saw that a substitute teacher 676 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: walking to the classroom, we all looked around at each other, 677 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: the students, and we knew that day the classroom is 678 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: going to be a zoo. Why is this all right? 679 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: And so I think every kid for everyone. 680 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 2: Twenty years ago, when we were at Scots against a. 681 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: Fresh bait right right and Paul Water, we think this. 682 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: We thought this because we know that the main teacher 683 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: not being there means the structure is not in place today. 684 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: And it's not because we were bad kids. But when 685 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: you take structure away, you get this, You get chaos. 686 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: That's all. This is scientific law, is the law of entropy. 687 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: If you're a million, you remove the guard rails and 688 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: the standards, you get chaos. That's what happens. That happens 689 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: in societies, it happens in people, happens in any organization. 690 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: You remove the guard rails, you get chaos. So the 691 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: kids are acting crazy that day, and the very next 692 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: day the main teacher comes back to school that you're 693 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: not sick anymore. And those same kids who we're acting 694 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: wild yesterday are now sitting at the deskert their hands folded. 695 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: What changed nothing? The same person is this. Now they 696 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: have structure again, So now they go back to behaving. 697 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,719 Speaker 4: May I love that you brought the law of entropy 698 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 4: into that, and you remove structure, you get chaos. And 699 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 4: actually it's worthwhile people reflecting on that, particularly around health 700 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 4: behavior change. Right is that that structure and sticking to 701 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 4: the structure is pretty key. Let's we talked about discipline, 702 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 4: we talked about confidence. Let's not talk about mental toughness. 703 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 4: Right that is, that's a word of free is that 704 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 4: is very close to my heart. So give us your 705 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 4: tick on mental toughness and why it's actually important in 706 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 4: both business, sport and in your personal life. 707 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: The way that de fronmenttal toughness is your ability to 708 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: remain disciplined was me showing up consistently and doing your 709 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: job and remain confident, putting yourself and your work out 710 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: there boldly and authentically despite fact that doing all the 711 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: quote unquote right things has not yet produced the desire 712 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: or intended result. That's what mental toughness is all about. 713 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: And this matters because no matter how good you are, 714 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: how talented, and how well intentioned, nothing in life is 715 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: ever going to go exactly as planned, and things usually 716 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: end up going to ride for all of us at 717 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: different points, some more often than others, or it may 718 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: appear more often than others, but none of us has 719 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: complete control everything. Ninety nine percent of life is outside 720 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: of our control. You want to control one percent of life, 721 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: and that's just what you do, and for the most part, 722 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: is just what you think the way you think about things. 723 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: So mental toughness the way I have to describe it, pauls. 724 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: Mental toughness is like the security system for your mental health. 725 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: They are not diametrically opposed. They actually work together. But 726 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: you are mentally tough. In other words, people use for 727 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: this are grit, perseverance, stick to it. In this persistence 728 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: and resilience. You can use them interchange the way. In 729 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: this context, mental toughness is just about your ability to 730 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: frame circumstances that are out of your control in I's 731 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: s a way that it is constructive for you rather 732 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: than destructive. And when people fail to do that, they 733 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: allow themselves to become a victim of circumstance. The problem 734 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: is you don't control circumstance, so anything you allow yourself 735 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: to become a victim of it starts to control you. 736 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: And the most successful people out there, they mentally have 737 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: control over how they see things, even though they do 738 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: not always control how things go. 739 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 4: Now, look, I love what you said, and that plays 740 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 4: in really nicely. I'm not sure you're aware, but there 741 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 4: is a large body of academic research around the concept 742 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 4: of mental toughness. And I actually had the mental toughness 743 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 4: guys who created this on my podcast and the end 744 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 4: it's linked to the older concept of hardiness. 745 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 2: Right. 746 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 4: So they talk about four components to mental toughness. A 747 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 4: control orientation which you talked about that focusing on the 748 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 4: stuff that you can control, right. A challenge orientation is 749 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 4: really lean into challenge and discomfort, right. A commitment orientation right, 750 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 4: which then plays into your process and structure. And a 751 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 4: confidence orientation that's right, And so you can see those 752 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 4: four things really do interact with each other. And I 753 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 4: love the way you brought into mental health because in 754 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 4: their view, the opposite of mental toughness is not mental weakness, 755 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 4: it's mental sensitivity, which is really interesting, right, because it's 756 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 4: when people are just mentally sensitive that then can dissuade 757 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 4: them from from leaning into the discomfort, from doing the 758 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 4: hard stuff right, and they become easily affected by others. 759 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 4: Their confidence is affected by other people, and it's not 760 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 4: an internal sense of confidence. So I really like the 761 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 4: way you put that together and draw the linkage to 762 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 4: mental health. When people say to you, I'd love to 763 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 4: have more or mental toughness, right. 764 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 2: What sort of a steer do you give them? Wrong? 765 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 4: That? 766 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: Well, Number one, to be mentally tough, you have to 767 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: be in tough situations. So you can't become mentally tough 768 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: very easy. I love it. 769 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 4: This is the whole thing, right, Sorry to to you 770 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 4: know the interaction between that and resilience, and there's so 771 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 4: many tap They'll talk about resilience, about self current, self compassion, 772 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 4: and I'm like, I bang my head off the wall 773 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 4: and I go, that's necessary. But it's not sufficient to 774 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 4: be resilient or mentally tough. You have to go through 775 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 4: hard stuff, right, You have to have the experience exactly. 776 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 4: Sorry I interrupted you, but it's just I really wanted 777 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 4: to emphasize. 778 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: Sure. So the good thing about getting into tough situations 779 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: is that we can do so voluntarily. So everyone's familiar 780 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 1: with the concept of stress, but there are different types 781 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: of stress. There's distress, was the kind of stress that 782 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: beats you down, makes you feel old, tired, and ten 783 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: years older than you actually are. Then you have you stress, 784 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: and you stress, I'm sure you're familiar with it. Yes, 785 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: ss Yeah, a lot of people don't know about you stress, 786 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: but you stress is a real thing, and is the 787 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: kind of is voluntary stress. Is the stress that you 788 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: put yourself on your own purpose because you believe it's 789 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: going to make you better, stronger, tougher for the future. So, 790 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,720 Speaker 1: for example, if you sign up to run a marathon 791 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 1: and you never even ran around the blot, that's you stress. 792 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 1: You do it, you know it's going to be tough, 793 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: but you're do it on purpose because it's going to 794 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 1: make you better. Or when you go to the gym 795 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,240 Speaker 1: and lift heavyweights, that's you stress. If you play a sport, 796 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: you know the coadche is going to make you do 797 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: stuff that you're uncomfortable with. But you sign up for 798 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: a personal trainer, a business coach, you know they're going 799 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: to push you outside of your comfort zone. That's you stress. 800 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: That's the kind of stress we voluntarily sign ourselves up 801 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: for because we understand that going through this hard thing 802 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: is going to make us better. So anyone who wants 803 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 1: to be more mentally tough, you need to sign yourself 804 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: up for some youth stress activities. That will push you 805 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: outside of what you're used to doing. Now, technically we 806 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: can push ourselves, but the human being has a self 807 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: protection mechanism within us. It does not allow us to 808 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: inflict a certain amount of damage on ourselves. We'll stop ourselves. 809 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: Whereas your trainer cannot feel that your lungs are learning, 810 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: so then make you do the extra set when you 811 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: will allow yourself to not do the extra set so 812 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: you Stress is best is often best administered through someone 813 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: outside of ourselves because they can push us in ways 814 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: that we would never push ourselves. 815 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 4: And other people in the team, right, you will have 816 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 4: noticed that I noticed that another day in my military 817 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 4: and military stuff or our training with a partner. 818 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 2: Training with a group. When you're training with a group, 819 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 2: you generally will go further. You lean into that. 820 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 4: But what I wanted to just explore a little bit 821 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 4: deeper on this. You've opened a can of worms here 822 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,240 Speaker 4: on this. U stress because I think there's a very 823 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,959 Speaker 4: strong interplay with motivation. So there's a lady I can't 824 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 4: remember the name of professor written a great book called 825 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 4: Dopamine Nation and talks about the different ways that we 826 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 4: can get pamine right, and we can get dopamine from 827 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 4: eating lots of shit food, taking alcohol, drinking, drinking alto sorry, 828 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 4: taking drugs. All of those sorts of things release dopamine. 829 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 4: But what her research shows is that when you do 830 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 4: stuff that's easy like that and you're indulging, you get 831 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 4: a dopamine hit. But over time, what happens after that 832 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 4: dopamine hit is you get a crash. 833 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 2: You get a dopamine. 834 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 4: Crash really quite quickly, right, And that's why people reach 835 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 4: for more and more and more and more and more. 836 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 4: But what she showed, and you're gonna love this, is 837 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 4: that when you do hard stuff such as exercise and 838 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 4: cold exposure, we know that they both release dopamine, but 839 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 4: the dope you do not get the dopamine crash. Afterwards, 840 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 4: you continue to feel good and to feel motivated. And 841 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 4: she thinks it's been the difference between having to work 842 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:02,720 Speaker 4: for stuff versus having it easy that traditionally is humans. 843 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 4: We've had to work hard for food, we've had to 844 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 4: work hard for shelter, for those sorts of things, and 845 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 4: the act of having to work to get the dopamine 846 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 4: has a different impact than if we just are handed 847 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 4: it or get it easy. 848 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 2: Right, It's really quite cold stuff. 849 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 4: And it's that that really importance of you stress and 850 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 4: particularly seeking out hard stuff. How important was that early 851 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 4: in your career before you became a professional athlete, Like 852 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 4: did you have that drive in you before you became 853 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 4: an athlete? Because it's really interesting right where people go 854 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,800 Speaker 4: athletes are they born or are they made? 855 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: Well? I think some are born because they just happened 856 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: to happen to be immensely talented, and you do have 857 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: to hit a certain genetic lottery if you want to 858 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: make it at the pro level of any sport. At 859 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 1: the same time, there are athletes I consider myself part 860 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,800 Speaker 1: of it, this other group who I had enough ability 861 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,439 Speaker 1: natural ability to where I was eligible. I was above 862 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: the line of eligibility, but there were might be a 863 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: thousand guys above that line, but only one hundred jobs. Right, 864 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 1: So the reason I was able to make it is 865 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,839 Speaker 1: because I had the grit, the mental toughness to stick 866 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: to itiveness, to kind of fight through that group of 867 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: people to get one of those jobs that not all 868 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 1: of us was going to get. So for me, going 869 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: back in the story, I didn't start playing basketball so 870 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,879 Speaker 1: I was fourteen. I played other sports but didnt start 871 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: playing nil I was fourteen. I only played one year 872 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: high school ball, so no one was expecting me to 873 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: even make the high school team. Then when I made 874 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 1: the high school team, no one thought I was going 875 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: to play in college. I played Division three college, So 876 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: even though I was playing, who cares, I mean, you're 877 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: playing Division three outs. This doesn't produce pro players. It's 878 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: not like you're getting drafted to the Lakers from playing 879 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: a Division three college. So even then getting out of college, 880 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: no one was expecting me to go pro. So all 881 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: of these times I had to run off my own energy. 882 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 1: I had to run off of my own belief and 883 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: my own ignorance, and my belief that I could pop 884 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 1: to be making as a pro athlete. Because it's not 885 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: like there was anyone or a whole neighborhood of people 886 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: or a senilar person aside for myself, saying there's a 887 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: chance that Dre could become a professional athlete. And for 888 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 1: good reason, no rational logical person would have looked at 889 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: my background and said, this guy is going to the 890 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 1: next level from the playground to high school to college 891 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: to that the pro was No one was saying he's 892 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: going to go to the next level whatever whatever I 893 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,399 Speaker 1: was playing that So the only reason I made any 894 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 1: of those is because of my own I took it 895 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 1: upon my own volition to try and go and make 896 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 1: it to the next level. And one thing that I'll 897 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: say in a distance to that pause, there are people 898 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: who I know personally, even family members of mine, people 899 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: from my neighborhoods, players that I've just played within schools 900 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: and seen, who had just as much if not more 901 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: ability as far as physical tools and genetics to play basketball, 902 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: whether to play high school, college, or the pro level, 903 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 1: but they had no internal drive. They didn't have the 904 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 1: drive to actually do the stuff. And I would see 905 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 1: them and say, this person has more holes that I have, 906 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: but they clearly don't want to do it. And what 907 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: I tell people is that you want to find someone 908 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,840 Speaker 1: who becomes highly successful need a combination of can do 909 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: and want to. You need both. Is it if someone 910 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 1: has the can do without the want to, they become 911 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 1: an underachiever. You have the want to without the can do, 912 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: you are mediocre. And when you have both, you get magic. 913 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 4: And you just beautifully free about the last part of 914 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 4: your mindset, which is around that personal initiative thing. So 915 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 4: just quickly talk us through the whole idea of you 916 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 4: talked earlier on about the so the mindset, the strategy, 917 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 4: the system. 918 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,400 Speaker 2: We've touched on those things. 919 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 4: Let's talk a little bit about the accountability and the implementation. 920 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,399 Speaker 4: So just give people a little bit of a guide 921 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 4: around that, because I think accountability is really important in 922 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 4: all this stuff. 923 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, going right along what we talked about. When it 924 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,720 Speaker 1: comes to mental toughness and being pushed, that you stress 925 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 1: usually comes from someone holding somewhere are something you accountable 926 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 1: at a level that may be above what you're used to. 927 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,439 Speaker 1: And that's how we make ourselves better. So when people 928 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,319 Speaker 1: talk about one percent better every day, well, if we're 929 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: left to our own devices, we usually don't get one 930 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: percent better every day. So we need something that's going 931 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,399 Speaker 1: to push us. Okay, can you do a little bit 932 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: better than you did last time? So you did eleven 933 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 1: to pull ups last time? Can you do twelve now? 934 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:19,840 Speaker 1: Can you do fifteen? 935 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 2: Now? 936 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,839 Speaker 1: Can you do twenty? And we usually can as long 937 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,120 Speaker 1: as we are cognizant of it and conscious of it, 938 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: we can do a lot more when we're conscious and 939 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,359 Speaker 1: intentional about pushing ourselves. But again that the human brain 940 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 1: tends is default to what we're used to doing, so 941 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: that accountability and implementation is about having something or someone 942 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 1: around us to keep holding us to a standard that 943 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 1: we want to get to, whether that means moving ourselves forward, 944 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,799 Speaker 1: continue to do what we're supposed to do. For some 945 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 1: people that's the accomplishment. Just showing up consistently is a thing. 946 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: For other people, showing up, they got that part down. 947 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: It's about how do I get better when I show up? 948 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 1: So it depends on who the person is and what 949 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 1: they want to do. But the whole point for people 950 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 1: like yourself and myself Paul as coach, is one of 951 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 1: the main things that people come to us for, especially 952 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: the high performers, is they want accountability. It's not that 953 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 1: they don't know what to do, It's not that they 954 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 1: don't know how to do it. They want someone who 955 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 1: will hold them accountable. Is not going to bullshit them. 956 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,319 Speaker 1: It's not gonna tell them that it's okay when they 957 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 1: didn't do what they told me they were going to 958 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: do the last time we talked. They want someone whos 959 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 1: gonna hold them accountable, like, hey, you're not doing what 960 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: you're supposed to do. Let's get let's get ourselves in 961 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: gear and get back on horse and do what we're 962 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,279 Speaker 1: supposed to do. I find high level performers usually are 963 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: not looking for someone to tell them what to do. 964 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,360 Speaker 1: They're looking for someone to just keep a foot in 965 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 1: their back, so to speak, to keep doing what they're 966 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: supposed to do. Yeah. 967 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,400 Speaker 3: Look, I like to talk about accountability partners, which is 968 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 3: what you're really talking about there, because. 969 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,920 Speaker 4: They kind of help you when the motivation of the 970 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 4: discipline is winning a little bit. That accountability really does 971 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 4: help you to step up. And so me, what would 972 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 4: you say, overall, all, like this stuff's have been great, 973 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 4: what is the most valuable thing that people get from you, know, 974 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 4: ringing your books, attaining your courses, your seminars, those sorts 975 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,719 Speaker 4: of things. What if I'm to try to pin you 976 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 4: down to one thing, what would you say that it. 977 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,840 Speaker 1: Is, Paul, My superpower is my ability to take things 978 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 1: that some people may see as complex, and I can 979 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 1: break them down and make them simple and digestible for anybody, 980 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 1: even if they have never considered the concept. 981 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that, and uh and I can see 982 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 4: just through this this this interview, Hi, that you have 983 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,920 Speaker 4: actually codified that and created a nice structure and. 984 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,160 Speaker 2: All the things that people need to be successful. 985 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,879 Speaker 4: And I love the fact that it straddles that your 986 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,600 Speaker 4: system straddles both personal life, business and sport. Where can 987 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 4: people go to so this has been awesome. Where can 988 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 4: people go to find out more about you? 989 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 2: Your courses, your books? Because you got an old shit 990 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 2: heap of content. So where are we saying people? 991 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,080 Speaker 1: Well, you can go to work on your game. University 992 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: dot com. So that's where we do all of our 993 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 1: all of our coaching, our massimize, our courses, et cetera. 994 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,520 Speaker 1: Is just all that work on your game university dot com. 995 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,840 Speaker 1: You can schedule time and get on have a conversation 996 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 1: with us. We talk about where you're at, where you 997 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 1: want to go, and if we can possibly help you, 998 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:05,800 Speaker 1: we'll tell you how it looks cool? 999 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 2: Awesome? 1000 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 3: All right too? He and socials? What about socials? Where's 1001 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 3: the best place from a socials perspective? Or do we 1002 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 3: just want people to go to the university, Well, you. 1003 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,040 Speaker 1: Go to the university site. But if you like social media, 1004 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 1: I'm on all of them. What do you use in 1005 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 1: most most of these days? Pall social media. 1006 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,040 Speaker 4: I gotta say I'm not particularly good at social media, 1007 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,800 Speaker 4: probably Instagram and LinkedIn, and we'll be the ones that 1008 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,960 Speaker 4: I would use, but I would be more linked in. 1009 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,080 Speaker 4: But I know lots of people love YouTube, TikTok, Instagram. 1010 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:37,440 Speaker 2: You on all of them? 1011 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 1: Are I'm on everything and what's interesting? When I found 1012 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,360 Speaker 1: Paul and then you might want to look into this. 1013 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 1: TikTok has been great for us. I'm knowing TikTok. 1014 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 2: I've been hearing that more and more, right. 1015 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: Personal personal, professional development for I don't know, maybe it's 1016 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: just me, but TikTok has been outpacing all the other 1017 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,439 Speaker 1: apps in terms of growth for me over the last month, 1018 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,359 Speaker 1: TikTok has been killing it. 1019 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,279 Speaker 4: You know, I had this exact same conversation yesterday with 1020 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,120 Speaker 4: a podcaster. He was interviewing me on a podcast and 1021 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,560 Speaker 4: he said to me, mate, you need to get on TikTok. 1022 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 1: To get on TikTok for us twice. Now you get 1023 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,799 Speaker 1: on TikTok, that's yeah, I have to a third time. 1024 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 3: Then there's something wrong with me, right, yeah, right? This 1025 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,440 Speaker 3: has been awesome. Thank you for sharing your wisdom. I 1026 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,360 Speaker 3: think people will get lots out of that just following 1027 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,040 Speaker 3: that process. But so people, if you want to really 1028 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 3: enhance your chances of success work on your game. University 1029 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,120 Speaker 3: dot com Drey Bowman, thanks very much. 1030 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,560 Speaker 1: Paul, thank you for having me on. I appreciate you 1031 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:37,360 Speaker 1: sharing your platform