WEBVTT - Matty's Back! Round 21 Takeaways + What's Next for the Tigers?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey coops could be back, mate, Yeah, good for some.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yes, welcome back and happy birthday. Happy sixty

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<v Speaker 2>fifth birthday.

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<v Speaker 3>Mate fifty five.

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<v Speaker 2>I was not sixty five any birthday presents. And I

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<v Speaker 2>get the spoilers today.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a sore point.

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<v Speaker 1>Got up and well, last year you're going a paper shredder.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean who shreds paper? Honestly, And this.

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<v Speaker 3>Year she got she just got me like car washed detergent.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was like, is that for the shower or mate?

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<v Speaker 1>She just goes like what's that? She goes, Oh, your

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<v Speaker 1>cars always filthy. She goes your dirty cars, look at

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<v Speaker 1>the drug dealer's car. I was like, Jesus, think I'm unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was like, oh, what's this?

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, and then it ends up in a

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<v Speaker 3>bit of an argument. Anyway, it's rumor day.

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<v Speaker 1>But hey, on a different thanks, mate, I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>bond to pick with you. By the way, yesterday the

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<v Speaker 1>Titans were just flying. We hit halftime, Jayden Campbell playing

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<v Speaker 1>the game of his life and honestly, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you're working for the dragons. But

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<v Speaker 1>let's just have a look at book. What took place

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<v Speaker 1>this one. Yeah, yeah, I felt so bad, mate, I

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<v Speaker 1>felt so bad. And there's this one from last week

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<v Speaker 1>that was horrific, and of course this one, Coops, the

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<v Speaker 1>beauty made unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, coming with excuse singers on your birthday. You'll

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<v Speaker 2>be working on that all weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go now today.

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<v Speaker 1>The Adam Dewey situation, Coops, it's been ongoing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been the big story the last four or five days.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, if we go over, we don't recap it again.

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<v Speaker 1>First we came out these head walked out of training

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<v Speaker 1>because he didn't want to play, you know, a bench

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<v Speaker 1>slash thirteen year roll.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone was saying they had to be more than that.

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<v Speaker 3>But then Brett Comorley came out and said he had

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<v Speaker 3>to experienced his interim coach there before.

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<v Speaker 1>Another said he was making a statement about the culture

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<v Speaker 1>of the club. If you're going to make a statement

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<v Speaker 1>of the culture of the club, I don't think you

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<v Speaker 1>walk out and leave you yeah, leave your teammates and

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<v Speaker 1>the look yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got no idea. What is real? What is not?

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a good look for Adam himself to Benji

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<v Speaker 2>and three of the Tigers. Generally speaking, they had a

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<v Speaker 2>meeting today and apparently he's back in at training. What

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<v Speaker 2>would I do in that situation. Look, in the early

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<v Speaker 2>parts of my career, I was only a young kid.

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<v Speaker 2>I got asked to play multiple persons, right, So even

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<v Speaker 2>if it happened at the back end, even if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't like it, you get a little bit of arrogant

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<v Speaker 2>about yourself and you got yes, coach, I will do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would have gone out if I'm out to

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<v Speaker 2>do it and been the best player in that field

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<v Speaker 2>in number thirteen. Yeah, I would have tackled myself to

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<v Speaker 2>a standstill, would have carried the ball. I just would

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<v Speaker 2>not have taken the easy way out. Now he stand

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<v Speaker 2>out for something maybe years, but I feel like he

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<v Speaker 2>to go through that pain and that hurt to have

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<v Speaker 2>more respect in that team than stepping off sideways. Just

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<v Speaker 2>be really hard for him to walk back into that

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<v Speaker 2>club and be part of the team.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, firstly, in the thirteen role, let's face it, he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't going to play the Bradley Clyde Talmalalo thirteen role,

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<v Speaker 1>which was just the meta reador thirteen in these days

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<v Speaker 1>takes on many forms and a lot of it, like

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<v Speaker 1>the Isaiah Yeah role, you're a lot of mostly first

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<v Speaker 1>receiver and so look, I I've said this a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of times, but I've seen Adam places schoolboy and he's

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<v Speaker 1>always been a bloke who's been stuck between positions a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. But I've always been the belief that once

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<v Speaker 1>he starts to thicken out that I thought his best

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<v Speaker 1>spot would be thirteen. I think you've been outstanding thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's by the boy Roosters and Storm. You've been

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<v Speaker 1>in some really strong cultures, you know, Teams Club's big leadership.

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<v Speaker 1>Does he walk back into that dressing room.

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<v Speaker 2>Really hard to like. I think even Benji's got part

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<v Speaker 2>of the problem here too, Like there would have to

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<v Speaker 2>be a lot of getting the information out there in

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<v Speaker 2>front of the group, but just being about Adam, like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it would struggle. I would be at the point of

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<v Speaker 2>there's a door, don't let a hitch on the way out.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be my personal reaction. Now, if I'm Benji

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<v Speaker 2>and he's coming back saying apologies or whatever and sits

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<v Speaker 2>in front of the group, If I'm Benji Marshall, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>picking him at thirteen again this week. Absolutely and see

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<v Speaker 2>if what he does, because then the Tigers are in

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<v Speaker 2>a they're in spiral mode, both performance wise and reputation wise.

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<v Speaker 2>He wouldn't have lasted in the cultures I was in.

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<v Speaker 2>But if there was some type of coming back to

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<v Speaker 2>the fold, I'm putting him straight back into thirteen saying

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<v Speaker 2>let's go do it together.

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<v Speaker 1>And we can't walk back into the club and go

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<v Speaker 1>into a meeting and come out winning one hundred nil,

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<v Speaker 1>Benji without a shadow over doubt.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're not coming through the news, if you're not

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<v Speaker 3>coming through the New.

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<v Speaker 1>South Wales Cup, we're on the bench, we're in seven

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<v Speaker 1>or six, you're playing thirteen, and.

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<v Speaker 2>He's probably the best seven at the club. Like he

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<v Speaker 2>is right, and he may have taken a hit and

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<v Speaker 2>the ego about it, But put the ego on the

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<v Speaker 2>back door and go on, like I said before, just

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<v Speaker 2>go and prove Benji wrong, Like, have a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of arrogance about your performance. Not that it's selfish. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>talking about just a bit of swagger and confidence and

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<v Speaker 2>go improve people wrong and then to walk out they

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<v Speaker 2>get beaten fifty, then to walk back in and say sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>If I'm Benji, I'm putting him back into thirteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Javan andrews By.

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<v Speaker 1>That kid had to go down there with a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of pressure on his shoulders side that was in the

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<v Speaker 1>spotlight and without the best side around him. And at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, he deserves to play seven

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<v Speaker 1>with the best team around him, and it's impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard being a rookie seven. We have seen so

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<v Speaker 2>many good kids come into our game and be part

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<v Speaker 2>of a bad team for the first year or two

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<v Speaker 2>and struggle to be the player they expect they had

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<v Speaker 2>been at schoolboy level. So you know, I think this

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<v Speaker 2>is a mess and there's only a couple of people

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<v Speaker 2>that can truly fix it, Benji and Adam, right, But

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<v Speaker 2>then this whole Tigers and where they are it has

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<v Speaker 2>to be play led because benjis just thrown himself out

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<v Speaker 2>in front of everyone, the media, and that these players

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<v Speaker 2>need to respond because you could say that Adam playing

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen watch watch Benji wanted he would have been a

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<v Speaker 2>much better middle defensive player than any other of those

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<v Speaker 2>middle defenders Tigers delivered on the weekend. The way they

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<v Speaker 2>played there was gaps, holes, lazy efforts everywhere, and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>that was why Benji wanted him to play that we

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<v Speaker 2>don't know that, but yeah, they're in a mess.

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<v Speaker 1>The last couple of weeks, could just you draw in

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<v Speaker 1>your own experiences, in your own dressing room experiences to

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<v Speaker 1>expect or to sort of anticipate what to expect from

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<v Speaker 1>a side who's underreversed like that, and both the last

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks, I've anticipated that Tiger's really came out and

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<v Speaker 1>make a statement and they'll be worse.

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<v Speaker 2>And if Adam's trying to improve the culture, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the standards you walk past or the standards you accept. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So instead of like you know, pitchfork in the ground

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<v Speaker 2>and exiting, how about you clip the guys for not

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<v Speaker 2>doing the work in the gym, clip the guys for

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<v Speaker 2>not doing the efforts of the extras after train. That's

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<v Speaker 2>true leadership. True leadership is having strong conversations and accountability

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<v Speaker 2>and getting changed that way, not just tools down. I'm out.

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<v Speaker 1>The other one too, Cooper is Jerome, who's going there

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<v Speaker 1>next year. It's been well documented, documented and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people saying, well, now it's now Benji looks to

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<v Speaker 1>the future and Jerome gets dropped.

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<v Speaker 3>It can't do that to the young, to the young siety.

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<v Speaker 3>In my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>With young Andrews and all these other young players in

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<v Speaker 1>the side, you need Jerome there to drop your most

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<v Speaker 1>experienced bloke and say we're going to plan for the future.

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<v Speaker 3>He does know any help getting flogged every single week.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why I find this whole situation bafflely. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm Benji Marshall and I'm want to make your

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<v Speaker 2>career out of coaching, I want to make the Tigers

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<v Speaker 2>great again, I wouldn't have let Jerome Lui go. Like

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<v Speaker 2>he's the only guy really that's achieved a lot over

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<v Speaker 2>a long period of time. What he did at Penrith.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of lessons that he can pass on

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<v Speaker 2>to Andrews. Right, and now Dewey might be out. Is

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<v Speaker 2>the next crop of young halves at Benji has, are

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<v Speaker 2>they truly going to be the guy that deliver ten

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<v Speaker 2>out of ten performance most weeks for Benji to because

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<v Speaker 2>if they're in this position next year, Benji's under threat.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot of a lot of dominoes to

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<v Speaker 2>play out.

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<v Speaker 3>But I just must have made it.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, it must hurt when you're paying your best, like

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred thousand dollars to Western Sydney rival to take

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<v Speaker 1>him that next year. It's great pick up for Paramatter.

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<v Speaker 1>People are saying, oh, one you deal made, he'd be

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<v Speaker 1>great for Paramatter. He's going to partner with Moses, can

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<v Speaker 1>help those young guys come through a bit of success

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<v Speaker 1>there possibly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and hopefully for Tigers fans there's light of around

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<v Speaker 2>the tunnel. But we've been saying that for ten years

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<v Speaker 2>out Tigers coops.

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<v Speaker 1>This season competition at the moment, it's shaping up a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a survival of the fittest.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing about it, isn't like through a

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<v Speaker 1>There's so many important factors in winning a competition. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you get the in the preseason or your you know

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<v Speaker 1>your fitness work, you're talking about all your tactic work,

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<v Speaker 1>you're reading in your attack, your defense, all your principles,

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<v Speaker 1>but made at the end of the day, sometimes you

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<v Speaker 1>know one of the biggest factor can be Oftentimes, just

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<v Speaker 1>like as far as injury, your season can fall apart

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<v Speaker 1>on a tackle gone wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Sindos Mosis.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at Newcastle, i'man Brown and Lucas calen Ponger still

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<v Speaker 2>not one hundred percent, but Newcastle had done all the

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<v Speaker 2>right things up until this point, sitting seventh. Now there's

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<v Speaker 2>a question mark whether they can get to September because

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<v Speaker 2>you take Dylan Brown and Lucas out of there. With

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<v Speaker 2>Kaylan he might play this weekend, might not. Now all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden they're vulnerable. They have done so much

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<v Speaker 2>good stuff this year Newcastle Knights to turn around what

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<v Speaker 2>they did last year and as you said, luck two

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<v Speaker 2>of their best players gone down in the space of

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Last like the last three weeks coup not just injuries.

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<v Speaker 1>They've lost by two points, the week after two points

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<v Speaker 1>and against the Rooster's a point.

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<v Speaker 2>But they were scrapping through a couple of those wins

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<v Speaker 2>prior to that. The two points are two points, so

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<v Speaker 2>like they were doing a lot of things. Now now

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<v Speaker 2>Dylan Brown is more than two points of that team,

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<v Speaker 2>like he is Dylan Lucas. It's more than two points

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<v Speaker 2>of that team.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny he went in Dylan Brown when he's had

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<v Speaker 1>a partial two of the ACL and it's gone, so

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<v Speaker 1>now he has to go and get the full operation.

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<v Speaker 3>It hurts, has no doubt about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Big opportunity for Fletcher Sharp, huge opportunity, but.

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<v Speaker 3>He gave the six and he and Kaylen's side.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, yeah, and this is the story of the Nights

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<v Speaker 2>before Dylan Brown arrived and Sharp was available. Last year,

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<v Speaker 2>it was all wherever Kaylen is, double team him, force

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<v Speaker 2>someone else to win the game. Right, So now defenses

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<v Speaker 2>are going to do exactly the same thing. But all

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<v Speaker 2>the good stuff that Caylen was doing was because Dylan

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<v Speaker 2>Brown was doing a lot of good stuff in the

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<v Speaker 2>past between to help him with the space. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's going to be a real challenge for Newcastle

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<v Speaker 2>to get September now, simply because I think teams will

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<v Speaker 2>double team Klein from here on out.

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<v Speaker 3>Daniel two po to shoulder reconstruction.

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<v Speaker 1>Look will need surgery. They're going to try to rehabit.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate for this the way to end for Dinial.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen a number of players over the course of

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<v Speaker 2>the last ten years shot of pops out do a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of rehab, strong enough to get through that

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<v Speaker 2>others it comes out at any time. So it's literally

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<v Speaker 2>a flip of a coin for.

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<v Speaker 3>The World Cup.

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<v Speaker 1>Two yeah, may gus t what now game TEDSCA. There's

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<v Speaker 1>still elements of the Rooster's attack, which is really inconsistent

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<v Speaker 1>went to disco in one second.

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<v Speaker 3>It's interesting, that, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 1>Like you got I'm looking at the Rooster's attack and

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's just you know, you can have great

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<v Speaker 1>sets and all of a sudden, you know there's little

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<v Speaker 1>bits like I was thinking about what trying to work

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<v Speaker 1>it out in a lot of ways. You know, DC

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<v Speaker 1>and Semmi Walker are both very unorthodox reactive halfbacks, you know, and.

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<v Speaker 2>They moved they moved sideways first, yeah, straight.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know they're unpredictably, un predicabarly. Sometimes can really

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<v Speaker 1>work for you, but other times it makes it difficult

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<v Speaker 1>for teammates.

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<v Speaker 2>But we look at the game last week against the Melbourne Storm.

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<v Speaker 2>It highlighted the importance of Tedesco, like they had enough

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<v Speaker 2>field position, enough attacking sets. But when you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>halves that engage the line consistently enough, defenders just sit

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<v Speaker 2>there and slide off and count the numbers. There's one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that adds spark to the Rooster's attack is Radley

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<v Speaker 2>playing at thirteen because he is arrowed straight with his

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<v Speaker 2>first touch, he'll always engage the first couple of defenders

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<v Speaker 2>and then when Todesco gets the ball, everyone's worried about

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<v Speaker 2>Todesco running freaking, and that causes defense to do things.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of the things you did just completely nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets first receiver in around midfield and then he's

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<v Speaker 2>got the ability to get a couple of passes wider,

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<v Speaker 2>so he'll attack you from anywhere. And he is absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>key because if the Roosters haves don't engage the line

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<v Speaker 2>or play a little bit sideways before they should, Bradley

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<v Speaker 2>in Tedesco are the two ones that will take the

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<v Speaker 2>line on.

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<v Speaker 1>Give me some insight in to Disco as far as

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, you get certain guys to train.

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<v Speaker 3>He's had longevity. I don't know how any games you

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<v Speaker 3>must be closing in all three hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you go back to his Tiger's days, he

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<v Speaker 2>had some big injuries, yes, to the point that you thought, well,

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<v Speaker 2>is he really going to get to the level of

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<v Speaker 2>the potential? And I've got no idea about the Tigers

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<v Speaker 2>set up at that stage, right, But he arrives at

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<v Speaker 2>the Roosters the same time as me. You've got Trent

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<v Speaker 2>Robertson and Travis Tumor at the time, like guys who

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<v Speaker 2>really put a lot of time effort in preparation and

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<v Speaker 2>he professionalism from what I understand, went through the roof.

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<v Speaker 2>Now all of a sudden, he's hardly ever missed a game.

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<v Speaker 2>He's thirty odd something getting better to the point that

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<v Speaker 2>most people slowed down at the age that he's at.

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<v Speaker 2>If anything, he's held his level to a point that

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<v Speaker 2>he's staying with it because he has twenty carries a game,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's getting the tough carries in the yardage when

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<v Speaker 2>he gets around midfield. He's sort of reorganized how fullbacks play.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of them. Keanu Kinney was doing it yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>where they either get first receiver off the fifth play

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<v Speaker 2>either little shift to crap momentum, or they run to

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<v Speaker 2>quick play the ball for the kick to happen on

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<v Speaker 2>the on the last play, but then they're still throwing

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<v Speaker 2>the cutout past the winger in the red zone and

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<v Speaker 2>Tanasco's doing it all.

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<v Speaker 1>Cheers that photo I saw of him as a young

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<v Speaker 1>player at the Tigers to what he is now, he's

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<v Speaker 1>a big.

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<v Speaker 2>Across the ass.

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<v Speaker 4>Ye like, who's the biggest threat to pens roosters, wires, Sharks, Remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Penrith are the biggest threat to themselves. To start with,

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<v Speaker 2>I think if if they get complacent, if they just

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<v Speaker 2>have a slight percentage off their best, they will come

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<v Speaker 2>back to the field. So I think they're in pole position.

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<v Speaker 2>It's this time of year, having been a player through

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<v Speaker 2>an Origin series thereabouts. No one will ever admit it,

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<v Speaker 2>but you do dial it back. You're like, I just

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<v Speaker 2>need to get through the next couple of weeks and

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<v Speaker 2>then I'm going to set something. I can tell you

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<v Speaker 2>right now. All the best teams maybe next week or

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<v Speaker 2>the week after call it. With four rounds to go,

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<v Speaker 2>they will all start setting south for September. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you are to ask me, who's the threat to Panthers,

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<v Speaker 2>I still think the Warriors. The Warriors have their game

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<v Speaker 2>consistently over the course of the year. They're a good

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<v Speaker 2>defensive team, a great completion rate. They've got some sparking attack.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen them against the Warriors. I think they play

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<v Speaker 2>in a couple of weeks time, which is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a cracker. They can mix it with Penrith, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Roosters have the game style and the threat,

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<v Speaker 2>but can they deliver it against Penrith. Their record against

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<v Speaker 2>them's poor. The Sharks, on the other hand, well they're

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<v Speaker 2>playing with a hell of a lot of conference. They

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<v Speaker 2>seem to be the only team that's actually going in

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<v Speaker 2>the right direction at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you got your Braden Trindle and nickol I

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<v Speaker 1>think both of those got both of them in the

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<v Speaker 1>top five triasists for the season.

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<v Speaker 2>Put Brayley in there, who is really bamboosly.

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<v Speaker 3>In the middle of the fields play.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree like he's try under the post that he

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<v Speaker 2>should just watch that over and over again. Why because

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as he gets a ball, he goes fast

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<v Speaker 2>at the inside shoulder and just strong carry through the

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<v Speaker 2>bill and beats a couple of bigger defenders. But they've

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<v Speaker 2>got their own Penrith don't have any issues, right, They've

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<v Speaker 2>got history of performance, They're confident at the moment. The Warriors,

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<v Speaker 2>they've got the game style. But Fisher Harris is the

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<v Speaker 2>guy that I think is most important to that.

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<v Speaker 3>There's the thing with the Warriors is I'm really curious

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<v Speaker 3>to see what.

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<v Speaker 1>Happens in a couple of weeks, As you said, a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of things on the Warres they will match or

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<v Speaker 1>even you know, beat out Penrith in the artist battle.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, with those young.

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<v Speaker 1>Forwards and the powerhouse and you know they're boostle like

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<v Speaker 1>dal and bringing up early tackles.

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<v Speaker 3>Mate, They're just they're so strong. It's what they do

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<v Speaker 3>with it. Coop.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is this is this is the challenge

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<v Speaker 1>Tomorra and Chanel you know what I mean that that

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's that's the real big one until Picky.

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<v Speaker 3>Now with the foot injury, we can see how serious

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<v Speaker 3>that is.

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<v Speaker 1>And I must say, it's the first time this season

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<v Speaker 1>the other night, Coop, and I understand, like just what

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's it's a little part of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Season where everyone's sort of tread and water a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly in that if you're in that top four.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the first time this suason against the Dogs. I

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<v Speaker 3>thought they looked tired. The Warriors.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah they did, Yeah they did. Yeah, I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bulldogs have beaten Melbourne at the stage was a

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<v Speaker 2>good performance Penrith and the Warriors, and they've done it

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<v Speaker 2>the same way now. They've done it through line speed,

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<v Speaker 2>aggressive contact, real high end fitness to keep up and

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<v Speaker 2>down and annoy the opposition's attack. But then they played

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<v Speaker 2>not like I've seen the Dogs play with the ball

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<v Speaker 2>on the weekend, like they were fast, Like normally they're methodic.

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<v Speaker 2>They moved the ball around to their points in the field,

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<v Speaker 2>but they were getting out running quickly. Stephen Crichton like

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<v Speaker 2>he is the best center in the world, but he's

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<v Speaker 2>becoming a very very good five eight just simply because

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<v Speaker 2>he's got the confidence. There was a couple of kicks that, look,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not elite kicking, but it's all right. But he's

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<v Speaker 2>got the ability to tell people what to do. He

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<v Speaker 2>knows the game plan, and he's got kick Out and

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<v Speaker 2>Burton around him, and he knows how to use them up.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the key. Big strong edge back rowers.

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<v Speaker 1>They could have a lot of short comings with your ballplayer.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing that Crichton has allowed it's allowed

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<v Speaker 2>Galvin and Preston to get back together again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's they're playing really strong football the moment. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know I said on the show last night, is

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<v Speaker 1>they actually recognize their identity. You know that that like

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<v Speaker 1>its defense at the end of the day, and don't

0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.240
<v Speaker 1>put you know, don't work so hard in an attack or

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<v Speaker 1>try to prove so much in attack. You know that

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<v Speaker 1>you're coming up with theres and putting pressure on your strength.

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<v Speaker 1>And again like at the end of the day, if

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<v Speaker 1>you look at the Sharks, I'm sorry the Dogs. This

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<v Speaker 1>great run they've had the core of it, it's been

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<v Speaker 1>their defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think the Dogs are the only team that

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<v Speaker 2>could jump into the eighth Yeah too. So the Dogs

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<v Speaker 2>are in ninth on twenty four points below them Manly

0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Raiders Tweet two everyone else from there, you put a

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<v Speaker 2>line through them. The Dogs have a chance if one

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<v Speaker 2>of those teams South Knights of the Cowboys and twenty

0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:53.000
<v Speaker 2>six points slip up. Yeah, the Dogs have just made

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<v Speaker 2>a statement of the performance against the.

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<v Speaker 3>Warriors and the Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy didn't foot Nancle injury, which there and he is

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<v Speaker 1>one we just spoke about him.

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<v Speaker 3>Do he well done to Jake Clifford could.

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<v Speaker 2>Have done the same thing, could have done, have done

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<v Speaker 2>exactly the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfairly dropped in my opinions that I thought that was

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<v Speaker 3>really tough.

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<v Speaker 1>And Toddy did on it, and guess what he did

0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:15.560
<v Speaker 1>on the weekend just mate just went out there, pit

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<v Speaker 1>down and got on with it. And particularly like with

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<v Speaker 1>Jake when he did it, I was really surprised that

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<v Speaker 1>with Todd because Jake to me is the sort of

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<v Speaker 1>player that confidence and self belief doesn't come easy.

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<v Speaker 3>Some players just roll with it, doesn't matter.

0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Jake doesn't appear it takes a bit to get his

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<v Speaker 1>confidence up. I thought, oh, he's going to react to

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<v Speaker 1>this made him wingch just got on with it and

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<v Speaker 1>came back and was sensational.

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<v Speaker 2>He did two things for me on the weekend. Jake

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<v Speaker 2>Clifford that I think he needs to be in the

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<v Speaker 2>hars for the Cowboys going forward, like Purdue, probably has

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<v Speaker 2>some more upside if didn't comes back in. He is

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<v Speaker 2>at seven right. But Jake Clifford some of his long.

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<v Speaker 3>Kicking games exceptional.

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<v Speaker 2>It turns of average set into a good one because

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<v Speaker 2>of the depth of his kick. He scored that try

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<v Speaker 2>before halftime. But the bigger play he chased down I

0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:07.720
<v Speaker 2>think it was Rys Walsh took the advantage down the

0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:10.920
<v Speaker 2>sideline and Jake Clifford didn't stop and watch. He took

0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:15.680
<v Speaker 2>off and tackled him into touch. So that point around

0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:18.760
<v Speaker 2>him being dropped. I thought, oh, that's unfair. But he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't spit the dummy out. He didn't go to the

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<v Speaker 2>coach and say I'm not playing this weekend. He took

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<v Speaker 2>his medicine he got his chance the next week and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just repaid the cowboys Todd paint that says he

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<v Speaker 2>will be in the outside from here on out.

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<v Speaker 1>To finish with the one of Yandi about the Melbourne

0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:40.480
<v Speaker 1>storm and we saw Harry Grant with a hamstring injury. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>Melbourne mathematicians will tell you something different, but Melbourne went.

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<v Speaker 2>They're done. They've done. I thought if they had to

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<v Speaker 2>win last week it sounds but they're done.

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<v Speaker 1>They are entering, in my opinion, Coop, the most challenging

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<v Speaker 1>era since they came to the company.

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<v Speaker 3>Ninety eight. They came in, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, historically they've had a production line of talent just

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<v Speaker 1>coming through.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know where they are at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Give an idea, you know, I mean five years ago

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<v Speaker 1>Sunshine Case Falcon Side had Tina nick A, Ryan Papenhous

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<v Speaker 1>and Harry Grant in it, you know, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>East Tigers the other affiliate, you know, Billy Walders and

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<v Speaker 1>Scott a drink Water and they've just had so much

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<v Speaker 1>coming through.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know where they're at at the moment. On

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<v Speaker 3>top of that, you've got the monster situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Who could be they've given him the ability to negotiate

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<v Speaker 1>with P and G and the Craig you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>Craig Bellamy era coming to a close soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Firstly, do you think Monster will go to P and G?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think you'll leave Melbourne?

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<v Speaker 2>You have to ask the guy that hosts this through

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<v Speaker 2>sixty show that we're on Fox, Ley Logan. I got

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<v Speaker 2>no idea. I'm very surprised that it is an option.

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<v Speaker 3>I was, yeah, I was, really I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was really surprised by how Frank Craig was after

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<v Speaker 1>the game, just said it gave you my blessing.

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<v Speaker 2>Which says that it says that it's more likely than

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<v Speaker 2>not lot Unlike, if that makes sense, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>strange year for the Melbourne Storm, Like, could you envision

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<v Speaker 2>that Craig Bellmeo the course of his coaching career has

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<v Speaker 2>only missed the finals once because of the salary cap year,

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<v Speaker 2>and in potentially his last year coaching, his team's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to make the finals. I think it's because of

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<v Speaker 2>two things. I think One, we've spoken about this before

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<v Speaker 2>on the show. Losing back to back Grand finals mentally

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<v Speaker 2>hurts very, very hard. You can get yourself back off

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<v Speaker 2>the canvas after one, but after two, like it would

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<v Speaker 2>take a lot of resilience and a lot of mental

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<v Speaker 2>strength to be able to do that. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>that hurt them at the beginning. And then the second part.

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<v Speaker 2>Melbourne Stem have always based their success around defense, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and the two crucial parts around a good defensive team

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<v Speaker 2>is the back row position and the center. The reason

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<v Speaker 2>why the back row is crucial because it connects the

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<v Speaker 2>middle forwards to the edge and if that back row

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<v Speaker 2>defends well, that determines what your edge does. And they've

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<v Speaker 2>had inexperience in the back row position all year. Good players,

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<v Speaker 2>but inexperience, and then you move their center position. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the reason why that's crucial is they're the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>make the decision we're either going to go outside in

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<v Speaker 2>and stop the ball or we're going to go backwards

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<v Speaker 2>and lay off. Yes, they've had inexperience in those two positions.

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<v Speaker 2>So the fundamental the basis which they've built on has

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<v Speaker 2>always been Grant Munster hues. But they haven't been able

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<v Speaker 2>to influence the center of the back row position like

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<v Speaker 2>they have previously.

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<v Speaker 1>And what accentuates that even further is the rule change

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<v Speaker 1>the six again and how fast the rucks are.

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<v Speaker 2>They were still playing sideways at the early part of

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<v Speaker 2>the year, which hurt them. Then when they caught Fiums

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<v Speaker 2>started playing well, Harry Grant became their best player.

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<v Speaker 1>But even defensively coop like you know, you were just

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the edge of defense there and they make

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<v Speaker 1>a defensive misreads.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, if you.

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<v Speaker 1>Can solve the you can of those problems a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times from the inside out, if you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean by controlling the speed of the play of

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<v Speaker 1>the ball and slower and it Melbourne have been the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest side we've seen rapidly history be able to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>They just because these current rules and six again in

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<v Speaker 1>the speed of the ruck, they just aren't able to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. Craig Bellamy's final coaching season, you think it

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<v Speaker 1>will be.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, Look, a couple of years ago I sort of

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<v Speaker 2>told Craig that he should retire, like that was my advice,

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<v Speaker 2>and ten years ago was not because he has to more,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's nothing else to prove, right, And he kept coaching,

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<v Speaker 2>kept coaching because he'd loved having influence on young men

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<v Speaker 2>about their football career in life. And I think he

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<v Speaker 2>gets energy from these young guys right now, all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden with his health situation, I would encourage him

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<v Speaker 2>to go on because you know, being around young guys

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<v Speaker 2>with energy, like he still gets something out of it,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's motivating. So I don't think like if he's

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<v Speaker 2>he should stay on coaching, right, whether it's head coach

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<v Speaker 2>or some capacity. I don't think the Melbourne Storm are

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<v Speaker 2>going to walk away from him. But I'll tell you what,

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<v Speaker 2>Like if he had have thought that this is his

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<v Speaker 2>last year, it's a last year that he would not

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<v Speaker 2>play finals, and then the record he's got against Wayne Bennett,

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<v Speaker 2>and Wayne Bennett was a coach to basically put the

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<v Speaker 2>nail in the coffin for him when he didn't play finals.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a strange year for the Melbourne Storm on

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<v Speaker 2>a number of fronts, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Be right, you know what to what do blakes like

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<v Speaker 1>Craig Bellamy and Wayne Bennett do if they're not coaching?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, ask Wayne why is he still coaching? I guarantee

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<v Speaker 2>this because he likes positive on that note

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<v Speaker 3>Means make