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Speaker 2: Fiddling around there. I never knew that Frank Sinatra That's

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Speaker 2: life that David Lee Roth did a version of it.

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Speaker 3: Who cares?

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Speaker 1: I care obviously brought it up.

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Speaker 3: That's live, that's and I know you've had a big night.

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Speaker 1: Well I had to do it. Get up and charity do.

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Speaker 1: That's what it is.

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Speaker 2: Charity Dodd do you You're on a freaking moon late

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Speaker 2: late night, early morning, late night, early morning.

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Speaker 3: What were you doing up?

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Speaker 1: Where were you? Burly Billy Heads, belly Bears, the.

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Speaker 3: Burly Bears an excellent club up there.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and q r L also made of mind Damien Driscoll,

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Speaker 2: he runs the club up there there.

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Speaker 1: Last night it was good. Bennie Iken was there. First

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Speaker 1: time to see Bennie oakon for a long time. Madge

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Speaker 3: Match McGuire, Well, well we're going to talk about some

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Speaker 3: When do we start? Now we started, Yeah, we've started.

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Speaker 3: The mics are on in Tapman, Yeah, in Chapman. We

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Speaker 3: have what you say is howards Marge, Michael maguire. A

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Speaker 3: lot of a lot of press at the moment, with

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Speaker 3: wallash boxing his mate, lots of different stuff. How was Madge?

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Speaker 1: It is okay? Now, he's pretty good. I mean, he's

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Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, the broncos of

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Speaker 2: a I think because they won that first round so

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Speaker 2: the roof and they've got a lot of stuff they

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Speaker 2: thing that and I didn't go into a deep with Madge,

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Speaker 2: but what'd been disappointing is you know, and it happens

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Speaker 2: when you lose, people start to come out and say,

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Speaker 2: oh mate, some of the players are unhappy and all

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Speaker 2: the rest of it. So you know what, winning solves everything,

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Speaker 2: winning does. It's winning solves everything. Once you get back

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: But he's been through before. He was pretty good match, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what what's did he seem like it was bothering

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Speaker 3: a lot of the time people go, oh, you know,

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Speaker 3: that stuff people forget sometimes coaches they might be a

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Speaker 3: bit older in experience, but doesn't mean they are oblivious

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Speaker 2: I don't oblivious to feelings is the right term. But yes,

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Speaker 1: Actually, as I said before, he's been it through before.

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Speaker 2: I've seen Madge Madge is not the sort of guy.

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Speaker 2: Look when Madge Madge could win twenty games in a

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Speaker 2: row and when you speak to him like his head

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Speaker 1: Is that type of guy.

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Speaker 2: He's an intense guy, you know, that's what he is

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying like they're not they're not going off.

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Speaker 2: A clear or anything like that, but they're going through

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Speaker 2: a bad patch of form at the moment.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to work things out. He'll get through it.

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Speaker 2: I mean the Bulldogs the other night, Friday night. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like it's his Dolphins were good by the.

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Speaker 3: Way, Dolphins were good, but they've had an inconsistent year too. Azayakatawa,

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Speaker 3: He's a good player.

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Speaker 2: Twenty one years of age, something like that. And when

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Speaker 1: And the crop of the cream, which he's got to

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Speaker 3: Something right, And we're going to unpack it. This is

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Speaker 3: going to we're going to unpack a lot of state

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Speaker 3: of state of origin. Just because you don't like something

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean everyone else has to follow you, by the way.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: But Isaia Katawa, let's say Mitch and Nathan Cleary both

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Speaker 2: He's just so composed. Every time I see him, he

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Speaker 2: He represents Tonga, but there are two nations, so he

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Speaker 2: reckon Laurie should bring him. You know they have the

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got to apologize to people too. I am really,

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Speaker 3: Night, and hey, you know what, like we said about

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Speaker 3: you're you're a media icon and as your legend, but

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Speaker 3: you're allowed to have down days, right.

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Speaker 2: Honest, it's down day. I'm just saying that my energy

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Another shout out Brandon Smith. Yeah, cheesel has he's

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Speaker 3: he's fitting in like a glove, very easy, very likely

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Speaker 3: You spoke to Cheese as well. During the week.

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Speaker 2: I text Cheese and I said, great to see in

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Speaker 2: the Cardinal of Myrtle and he that's the colors of

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Speaker 2: Sesiny cardinal cardinal and Myrtle. Oh right, your brother played

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Speaker 1: So you're going red and green, don't you? Green? It's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a slightly it's not a pure red. It's

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Speaker 3: Nice work there, Cooper. It's a softer red and a

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Speaker 3: with lighter undertones. I didn't want people to turn off, right, Well,

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Speaker 2: Well, I text Jesus and make Gracie and the Cardinal

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Speaker 2: Myrtle and he can said, mate, I love Wayne as

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Speaker 2: we just come back with That's all he said. And

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Speaker 2: that's people. There's some coaches they just get the best

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Lucky Galvin that's another big news at the moment,

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Speaker 3: saying that he might leave potentially immediately, right.

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Speaker 1: It was going to be before June thirty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so is do you think that's a if I'm

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Speaker 3: the Bulldogs, I feel like it's a weird bye. Why

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Speaker 3: I look at how good they're going this year, Toby

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Speaker 3: They're both young. Like you leave those two there together

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Speaker 3: better now they're going to get Lachlan Galvin, who, in

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Speaker 3: version of Matt Burton with how he plays. I think

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Speaker 3: they're different. Well, I think their strength of the exact same.

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Speaker 3: They're running totally different. What do you think football?

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Speaker 1: It's a tricky one for a tricky one for Gus

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Speaker 1: and Cameron Sorelda with the Dogs because it's really important.

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Speaker 2: You've got to shore up at the future of your club,

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Speaker 2: and you don't want who You don't basically want to

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Speaker 1: But this is it's what you've got to do.

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Speaker 2: And Galvin is looks to me as though, I feel

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Speaker 2: it's hard and might disrupt things a little bit, But

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Speaker 2: as far as the futures concern you, if you've got there,

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Speaker 2: if you've if you have the chance to sign Lockie,

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Speaker 2: you've just got to sign him. Where they play him,

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Speaker 2: I think they will play him.

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Speaker 1: We'll put it this way.

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Speaker 2: I think the next eighteen months for Lockie that he

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Speaker 1: A six coups. But long term I see him as

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Speaker 3: But the question I wanted to ask you, because you

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Speaker 3: you think that dynamic good work down Matt Burton Ulockey

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Speaker 3: govern as halves.

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Speaker 1: They wouldn't play together.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they played.

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Speaker 2: Together in the halves similar.

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Speaker 1: No, because neither of them are pure seven that it would.

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Speaker 2: I still maintain you do need someone who's a pure

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Speaker 3: Burton for me is.

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Speaker 2: He's a six slash three slash one, possibly possibly thirteen,

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Speaker 2: but I see him in an outside back slash six.

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Speaker 2: I see Locky Galvin as a six slash thirteen. He's

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Speaker 2: a play through the line type player. He's going to

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Speaker 2: be when he when he pops and starts to fill out,

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Speaker 2: and he's going to be robust shortball playing handful. But

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Speaker 2: I don't neither of them are sevens, and this is

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Speaker 2: going to be This is why it's going to be

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Speaker 2: interesting if they do Land Galvin. It seem very interesting

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Speaker 2: what they do with Sexton because they haven't signed Toby yet,

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Speaker 2: because and I'm looking at and thinking, okay, how can

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Speaker 2: you fit them all in? But I think to bring

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Speaker 2: think get rid of Tab Sexton would be a mistake.

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Speaker 2: I still think you need that pure seven. I don't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I agree. A lot of the reports have

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Speaker 2: So this is what we're talking about when you bring

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Speaker 1: I've been looking at Toby in the last six weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: Be a Galvin going there and he not being re

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: But I mean I think they've become the favorites to

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Speaker 2: sign Galvin. I mean it's always been Paramatter, Paramatter or

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Speaker 2: the Dogs. Conspiracy went around last conspiracy theory last week

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Speaker 2: it's either going to be Paramoun or the Bulldogs. I

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Speaker 3: Okay. And the last sort of story that's floating around.

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Speaker 3: Dom Young? Do you think you'll go this year?

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Speaker 1: He'll be there in two weeks two weeks Castle. I

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Speaker 2: The Knights. The Rooster's played the Knights in a couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks time. My understanding is Dom will be a

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Speaker 2: Rooster when that game's taple. He might not be on

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Speaker 2: At full time, the thing that I've heard is that

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Speaker 1: Take it as given. The next day he'll be the Knights.

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Speaker 3: It's been a weird, weird relationship. I think Don played

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Speaker 3: playing that well. Do you think it'll be a goodbye

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Speaker 3: for the Knights going back then.

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Speaker 1: Phil Burbon, you think it'd be a good r Yeah, goodbye,

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Speaker 1: very very good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it works, it works well. He gives them a

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Speaker 2: lot of punch coming out of hit. Him and Shill

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Speaker 2: has been been He's good player, Shiller. But that one

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Speaker 2: two combination of Greg marzou and and Dom Young coming

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Speaker 2: good and you know, in some sort of finish it

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Speaker 1: My I reckon.

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Speaker 2: The best image I've seen of the Newcastle Knights in

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Speaker 3: It's a final game.

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Speaker 2: When he's running down that right hand touch line, crowd

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Speaker 2: we're just going man, that was it was just some

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Speaker 2: great shots. Yeah, yeah, it's there's some cult heroes like

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Speaker 2: he reminds you of like a like a Wendell Sailor

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Speaker 3: People get around him. Ye, So good to see Dom young.

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Speaker 2: If he goes back there, and he'll be back there,

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Speaker 2: it'll be good to welcome back to the bosom of

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Speaker 2: the Novocastrian bosom.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Novocastrians.

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Speaker 2: I ran into I was going through the airport and

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Speaker 2: the Swans were there and ran into Isaac Heney, old Navacastrian,

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Speaker 3: How was he?

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Speaker 2: He was good before I met I met Lucky at

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Speaker 2: a Melbourne carp Isaac, you're a now. I met Isaac

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Speaker 1: Good to see him today.

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Speaker 2: It's good mate, like good looking for twenty nine. He's

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Speaker 2: played a long time. He's twenty nine because he was

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Speaker 2: the Arabay League player coming through. He's from black Hill.

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Speaker 2: Black Hill is it's it's probably fifteen minutes from from Newcastle.

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Speaker 2: It's near s it's sort of in between near Maitland

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Speaker 2: So he's a good player, Jesus, good player, good looking too, good,

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Speaker 2: good strapping young lad. He's a good looking chap and

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Speaker 2: we know he loves the podcast. Shout out, share, Isaac.

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Speaker 3: Lucky, whatever you want to call him. All right, State

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Speaker 3: of Origin before we go through the teams, Matthew, you

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Speaker 3: played three Start of Origin games?

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Speaker 1: Four?

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Speaker 3: Do you play four? How many you win?

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Speaker 1: Ah? I forget none?

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Speaker 3: No no, no, yeah, that's all right. You and Craig

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Speaker 3: Bellamy got a very similar wind the dry Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: What about your first Origin experience? What was that like?

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Speaker 3: What a lot of the boys who are in there

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Speaker 2: I reckon when you're playing Origin, form is really important,

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Speaker 1: Game is really important.

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Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is until you played

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Speaker 1: And so what happened to me.

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Speaker 2: My five there was the Aril Super League split right,

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Speaker 2: and they were telling me that if the Super League players.

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Speaker 1: Weren't going to be selected to the injury and I

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Speaker 2: From Origin, I did mynee, did a PCL and a

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Speaker 2: But basically I never realized how rust I was because

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Speaker 2: covered up for me how rusty I was and how

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Speaker 1: Needed a little bit more of a hit out.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, so we get there and we sit down, we

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Speaker 2: go it was myself and Andrew. We're a mum and

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Speaker 2: the six o'clock news. Channel nine News started the six

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Speaker 2: for the route. They're going to announce the state of

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Speaker 2: League players were going to be named, then Ricky and

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Speaker 2: Laurie were going to be the halves. If they weren't

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Speaker 2: to be the halves. Now, as they're about to read

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Speaker 2: out Brett Mullins at fullback, it meant all the Super

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Speaker 2: League players were going to be in. If they read

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Speaker 2: out Tim Brasher, it meant it was no Super League

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Speaker 2: RL players.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So we're sitting in front of the in front of

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Speaker 2: the box, can Arthur's and John Quayle go through the

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Speaker 2: ringing roll blah blah blah blah blah, and we come

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Speaker 2: on just fucking say the side played the side yeah

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Speaker 2: about five minutes ago. Okay, now the announcement of the side,

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Speaker 2: and Ken Arthsen goes, okay, new, So while state of

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Speaker 2: Tim Brasher, which so.

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Speaker 3: They didn't ring your prior, they didn't tea you up.

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Speaker 1: No, Wow, that's bizarre right now.

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Speaker 2: I think what it was, Coop. They didn't want to

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Speaker 1: I tear Coop.

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Speaker 2: You talk about not regrets, but you know, you learn

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Speaker 2: your lesson that that week. It was a ten day

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Speaker 2: had me and Joey doing media because you brothers, the

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Speaker 2: Blues Marketers and all that stuff. We had to come

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Speaker 3: Was spent And they do a good job. Now obviously

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Speaker 3: I was in there a lot last week Monday and Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: It's heavy media for the boys, like they're doing so

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Speaker 3: much Channel nine Fox or like you know, your Ko's sport,

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we got that first game Coop and they

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Speaker 2: beat us to nil. Well, yeah, so you go from

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Speaker 1: It was just so nil.

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Speaker 1: I think definitely it was a nil. And it's funny.

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Speaker 2: I went through a few I played the third game

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Speaker 2: you do your extras and everything like that. But it's

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Speaker 2: funny with State of Origin Coup the game, the last

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Speaker 2: State of Origan game. I played my fourth State of

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Speaker 2: Origin game, fourth and final. I wasn't named in the side.

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Speaker 2: I played the first game in ninety eight and then

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Speaker 2: I played. He played about ten minutes off the bench

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Speaker 2: in game one and I made way. Laso came in

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Speaker 2: for me and if you're going to get replaced by

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, so games game three, I'm not named and it

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Speaker 2: was split round for.

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Speaker 2: So's it was Wednesday night game and so it was

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Speaker 2: are you doing? Are we going to go and get.

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00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,680
Speaker 1: A meal and have a few beers.

439
00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,040
Speaker 2: So when I had a time meal and we're having

440
00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,240
Speaker 2: a few beers, how about six or seven beers.

441
00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:23,280
Speaker 1: Go home that night?

442
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,320
Speaker 2: And need I get a call ten thirty that night

443
00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,639
Speaker 2: with Lorry Day and Joey, I said, mate.

444
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,280
Speaker 1: Turves is Turves was really crooked? Was hooker?

445
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,840
Speaker 2: He's really really crook made if he's crooked in the morning,

446
00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,520
Speaker 2: can't play mate. We're just gonna let you know, mate,

447
00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,480
Speaker 2: get yourself ready because we're going to put your name

448
00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:41,760
Speaker 2: up hook and.

449
00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of himself. Oh fuck honight, because I was pissed.

450
00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I had like a massive food, like a

451
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,600
Speaker 2: green curry, a red curry and a dozen beers.

452
00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:52,280
Speaker 1: My belly good.

453
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,960
Speaker 3: Green curry so good with a coconut rice.

454
00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 1: Gorgeous anyway, Coop. So I get up in the morning

455
00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:00,399
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking off.

456
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,359
Speaker 2: It's Tubs like you had toughers. Wake up in the morning,

457
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,399
Speaker 2: get a call from Joey. Hey, mate, Tommy's going to

458
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:09,000
Speaker 2: call you.

459
00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 1: Mate.

460
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,600
Speaker 2: I think Turbs is out, like, oh fuck, okay, no worries.

461
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,280
Speaker 2: So I'm trying to sweat off his hangover. Then Tommy

462
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,400
Speaker 2: rings me and goes, hey, Skippy, how a you going.

463
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,680
Speaker 2: Joey was Joey and he called me skippy for whatever reason. Skippy, Mate,

464
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 2: Tubs is out, Maye, you're in. I want You've got

465
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 2: to be down here within an hour, I said Tommy Newcastle.

466
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,840
Speaker 2: He goes, mate, I don't care. I knew you, okay,

467
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,040
Speaker 2: I knew you by twelve thirty. It was like ten o'clock.

468
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:38,919
Speaker 2: I need you by twelve thirty. If you know you're

469
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,119
Speaker 2: by twelve thirty, mate, I'm going to find you. I'm

470
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 2: not even the fucking side right So anyway, So anyway

471
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,159
Speaker 2: they went. So Jeff Carr calls me that the manager

472
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 2: and goes, mate, gets a Newcastle airport. Be on my airport, mate,

473
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 2: there's playing there this ticket and get down here. Gets

474
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 2: straight and yet no problem. So I get to the

475
00:20:54,680 --> 00:21:01,359
Speaker 2: airport a bit after eleven eleven thirty flight John's They go, okay,

476
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 2: just checking here. Oh no, there's no there's nothing here. Okay,

477
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 2: So I ring Tommy, Hey Tommy, mate, where are you?

478
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 1: Where the fuck are you? Mate? I'm still in Newcastle Airport?

479
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 1: What the fucking doing there? I said, I'm about to

480
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 1: get on the fly. But there's mate, there's there's no

481
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 1: ticket for me. I don't give a fuck, mate, Just

482
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 1: buy a ticket. We'll sorw it that.

483
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, got to buy a ticket. So the plane's full.

484
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 2: Oh fuck, call Tommy, Hey, Tommy, make the planes full.

485
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck.

486
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 2: Skippy you and I down here by twelve thirty, mate,

487
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna fucking find you just get and I'm I'm okay,

488
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 2: and I'm standing there and I think, fucking am I

489
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,159
Speaker 2: going to get down?

490
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 1: The pilot comes past and goes, Mattie, here you're going.

491
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 1: I said, oh, you're right. He is a problem here.

492
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 2: And I said, fun, you wouldn't believe it. I just

493
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 2: got named in the Origin side. I've got to be

494
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 2: down there within an hour. And there's no suits on

495
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,919
Speaker 2: the plane. He goes, oh fuck, okay, okay, okay, okay,

496
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 2: just walk with me, walk down anyway.

497
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 1: They get me on the plane. I've got no ticket

498
00:21:59,200 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 1: or anything.

499
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 2: And I sit on the floor in the cop pit

500
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 2: between the two pilots.

501
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 3: That has to be illegal, right, What times you get

502
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 3: down there?

503
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: Got down there?

504
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:13,919
Speaker 2: Arrived at twelve fifteen, jumped in the cab, went straight

505
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 2: to the hotel. It was fifteen minutes late. And he

506
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 2: fined me five hundred bucks.

507
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 3: How much did you get paid for Origin back in

508
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 3: those days?

509
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 1: You've got three grand?

510
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 3: Three grand? Okay, so still pretty good, right, like three

511
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 3: greend Jesus, Jesus, that's tough.

512
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:27,959
Speaker 1: You know what.

513
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 3: I used to love. You spark my memory before when

514
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 3: you sit down as a kid and watch as they

515
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 3: announced the side. They've got to bring that back right now.

516
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 3: They just posted on sort of their Instagram on social media,

517
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 3: it comes out, but they got to do the live

518
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,719
Speaker 3: announcement again. I think it was I remember as one

519
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 3: of my favorite memories of the State of Origin who

520
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,120
Speaker 3: sided During the week, you'd all write your team list

521
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 3: and you'd sit down there as a family and you'd

522
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 3: have your one to seventeen and see if it matched

523
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 3: up as the same as they'd announce it.

524
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 1: Yep.

525
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 3: I think I think there's got to be something where

526
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 3: they bring it back social media, like it just pops

527
00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 3: up on your Instagram or something.

528
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 2: Now, well, I've always said on State of Origin Knight,

529
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 2: I reckon they should.

530
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,719
Speaker 1: They should bring more theater to it.

531
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 2: I reckon they should turn the lights off in the stadium,

532
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 2: because these days the lights in the stadium come back

533
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: on about five minutes. I dim the lights in the

534
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: stadium and introduced the players one by one.

535
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that.

536
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 1: Would be it'd be crazy.

537
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 3: I used to love the junior club thing too, with

538
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 3: the boys that turn around cross their arms, the coup

539
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 3: of John's, nar ain a Hawk's Hardboard, Devil's and Avalon

540
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 3: Bulldogs because I played for three clubs. Did jors you did,

541
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 3: I've got the I've got a few of the teams

542
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 3: before we actually go off. I wanted to ask you

543
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 3: being dropped in state of Origin. Yeah, you got dropped obviously.

544
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 3: Do you get teed up when you get dropped or

545
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: do they just drop you, like do you just when

546
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 3: they read the next thing and they say, oh, you know,

547
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 3: and you just notice online that you're not in the side.

548
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: The first time I got dropped, Robert Finch. Finch he

549
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: was my old coach, but he was bore manager at

550
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 2: the Knights at that point, and he just walked in

551
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 2: and there were.

552
00:23:58,560 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 1: The four of us.

553
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: That was Chief self, Joey, Adam Muir one of the

554
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 2: other boys. Anyway, we walk in raw standing together and

555
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 2: he goes, hey, boys, I've just got the team for

556
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 2: game two. We went yep, sweet, and he looked at

557
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: Chief and went yep, sweet Joey, yes sweet Hertzy yes

558
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: sweet mate, and looked at me. He just looked at me,

559
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: and I looked at him and he just went, sorry, mate.

560
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 3: Oh that's right down disappointing. Were you like, did you

561
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 3: ride that? Did that like her?

562
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: Or I did hurt. Yeah, yeah, it did hurt. It's embarrassing.

563
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 3: So was that that that story with Tommy Dynacas. Was

564
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 3: that your last Origin?

565
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

566
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 2: Last origin? And you know what, Coops, that was the

567
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: best Origin I'd ever played. And it says a lot

568
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 2: about mindset about you know, like they say might ever

569
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 2: matter and the mental is more important than physical. That

570
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 2: is evidence of it, mate, because that was, in theory,

571
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: the worst possible preparation I could have had. Went out

572
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 2: there nightfall, had a big, big merle, had a bet

573
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: a dozen beers, wake up, hangover day of the game,

574
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: had to fly down there. You sit on the floor

575
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 2: on an airplane between the between the pilots and the

576
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 2: cockpit to get down there and play. But I just

577
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 2: didn't think about it. I just went there and did

578
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: it and it was the best. It was the best

579
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: Origin game I played.

580
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 3: It's funny, right, like so many players. Camraen Mauster is

581
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: a good example of him. You could tell him on

582
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 3: the Monday, and he's someone who doesn't really over He's

583
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: a he's a thinker, but he doesn't overthink. So the

584
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 3: best thing for him he just gets out there. He

585
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 3: could think all week, but when he gets out there

586
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 3: everything flushes off him. Yeah, yeah, a blot like I

587
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 3: would have I would have loved to have found out

588
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 3: almost in the warm up, like someone goes down and

589
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 3: they go you're in, so you don't have any time

590
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 3: to think. I remember Darren Shannig at the Melbourne stormp

591
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 3: people might remember him. He played a bit of first grade.

592
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 3: He found out like in the he was eighteenth me

593
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 3: and someone went down the warm up. He debuted at

594
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 3: Canberra Goo Stadium and he was like he's he was

595
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 3: a big overthinker, and it was you played outstanding. He

596
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 3: played good off the bench. But that sort you can

597
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 3: see why coaches protect players sometimes by waiting right up

598
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 3: until the game day to let him know that they're

599
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 3: going to debut. Yep, protect them from themselves.

600
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: That that is true, coops.

601
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 3: That's true.

602
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 2: I mean, and we're talking about like the mental being

603
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 2: more important than the physical. If someone was telling me recently,

604
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 2: Lebron James about four or five years ago, he just

605
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: made the decision, you know what, I'm just gonna I'm

606
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: actually going to enjoy my life like apparently he was

607
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: having he'd have a bottle of red every night. Really,

608
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: Lebron James yep, and just played because he's just done.

609
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 2: It's done it for so long.

610
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 3: Well, there's there's rumors, there's rooms that go around that

611
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 3: ray Stone has like a has a drink of like

612
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 3: rum or something. The night before game has about six

613
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 3: rumbows would not surprise. I don't. I don't know if

614
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 3: that's one hundred percent true, but there's a rumor going around.

615
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 3: The boys up there say maybe he has a drink

616
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 3: that he looks like a tough homebreak he does know

617
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 3: it's scary day.

618
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I've made stories about blokes back in the day,

619
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: like your pop. When your pop went from when he

620
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: was he was only young. He went from Curry to

621
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: cessnot in the competition, your pop mate Pop was renowned

622
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: as one of the best young players in the whole

623
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 2: Newcastle coming through in the seventies, like he was gunna

624
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: play your Pop And I think he was just about

625
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 2: the youngest bloke evident. A debut for the Curry Curry

626
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: Bulldogs in first grade. Right he's about seventeen now. Curry

627
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 2: Curry is a very famous club. I mean it's produced

628
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: most Rugby League nationals of like any town in Australia.

629
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: Incredible heritage, and your pop was like, you know, made

630
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: one of their best unions coming through. In fact, the

631
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: reason why Pop went from Curry to Cesnot is because

632
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: they bought a guy in his position called Johnny Raper

633
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: I mortal. They bought Johnny Raper to Curry Curry and

634
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: he went, oh, well, okay, that he's going to take

635
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: my spot. So he was a third and he went

636
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: to he went to Cesnot and and when Dad went

637
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 2: to Sesnot, he said the first game he played, he

638
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: was like, the players went, okay, what we're going to do.

639
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 2: We're going to meet at the Wentworth Hotel pub at

640
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: on the main street there, which was a bit of

641
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: a walk, a bit probably five minute walk to the

642
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: ground we're going to meet. We meet there before lunchtime

643
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 2: for the game, and then we head to the game,

644
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: like okay, nowhere is when Dad turned up, they.

645
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: Were drinking middies.

646
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: But the day of the game, day of the game,

647
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: they were drinking. This is this is early seventies, he said.

648
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: The players were all at the bar, had three or

649
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: four medies and then walked to the game and played.

650
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 3: I Love I Love the old school. Even that like

651
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 3: makes me, you know, blokes like Johnny Raper, who are

652
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 3: playing essentially now we look at it like bush footy,

653
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 3: but back then it's like you could be playing that

654
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 3: footy and get picked for state of origin and stuff,

655
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: right yep, Like it's it's bizarre how you didn't actually

656
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: need to be at like an NRL club to be

657
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: playing state of Origin.

658
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: Jake Juke's Jake Jake's uncle who might be his grandfather,

659
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: Phil Duke. He played State of Origin outam Maury.

660
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: I think it was more.

661
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: He's playing more in Bubering.

662
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: He's got picked Deep played for country for Country first

663
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: and got picked. And the other guy was a guy

664
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: at in Newcastle called Rex right. Rex played hooker for

665
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: North's Newcastle, had a good game for Country first and

666
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: got picked for state of origin. Wow, so it used

667
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: to happen.

668
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's weird, Okay, teamless, So we go through there.

669
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 3: We'll read it out one to seventeen. Dylan Edwards, Bryan

670
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: Stephen Crichton, Latroll, Mitchell, Zach Lomax, Mitchell Moses, Nathan Cleary, forwards,

671
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: Mitch Barnett, Rhees, Robson, payinhass Liam Martin, Angus Crichton, Isaiah

672
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 3: the Bench, Connor Watson, Spencer, Lanu Hudson, Young, Max King

673
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 3: and our Man Stretch Stretch Armstrong Campbell Graham eighteenth man

674
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: A good side. What were your thoughts when the first

675
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: and no Ouse to side?

676
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: Beautiful, beautifully balanced side. It's a great side. I really

677
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: like it. There might have been a change here or there,

678
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: but mate, I look at that side and I just

679
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 2: it just gives me supreme confidence. Do you think there'll

680
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: be any funny game, like anyone who won't start or

681
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: anything like that. I don't think so. It's not Lorie's

682
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: style and it's not belly Ache style. I think they've

683
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: got their team. They're not going to try to play

684
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: mind games with Coensland or without their players. There's the

685
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: side they'll got out there.

686
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: And I will say it is belly X style. Billy

687
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: does that a lot. Yeap used to love a mind game.

688
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 3: I'll name you at when you're in COVID. When they

689
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 3: moved it from like you had to name it an

690
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: eighteen or a nineteen to twenty one because people could

691
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 3: go down. He's like, I'll name you at twenty one

692
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: this week so they don't think you're playing. He do

693
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: that so much with boys. He did it with Harry

694
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 3: when they played when they lost to the Sharks, so

695
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 3: he named Harry at twenty one so that they would

696
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 3: prepare Sharks coach would have to prepare for two players.

697
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 3: So he does it so the opposition coaches have to

698
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 3: cut footage for multiple different places.

699
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, the opposition coach.

700
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 3: Yes, a bitch.

701
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: He loves it.

702
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: I think he actually he actually overthinks it. Sometimes. He

703
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 3: did something with Tyron we shot one time. I'm trying

704
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: to remember what it was.

705
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 4: I remembering me and goes Billy. Hik's taking mind games

706
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 4: to a whole new level. To the point it was

707
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 4: also it was nearly mind gaming wishy. She was like,

708
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 4: am I playing? Because he had no idea.

709
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: He was actually, don't if I'm playing this week?

710
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: Oh that's good.

711
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 3: Queensland side Caleb Ponger, Xavier Coach and Valentine Holmes on

712
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: the wing, Robert Toya, Hamaso, Tabio, Fido Munster, Cherry Evans,

713
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: mofod Awaker, Tino in the front row with Harry Grant,

714
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 3: our Man, Reuben Coottter, Jeremiah na I back row, Patrick

715
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: Carrigan at Locke the bench, Tom did and Lindsay Collins

716
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: both firm Trentleero debutante and eighteenth killer Kurt Man. It's

717
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: a bloody good side too. They had a lot of

718
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: injuries to do.

719
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: Great sides, ye, two great sides. You can see with

720
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: out side. I can see the formula they're going at

721
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: and how they'll play with Coeensland. I don't see the formula.

722
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: I don't know how they're going to play, which is

723
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: actually perfect for them. They'll play Monsta ball, which is

724
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: like unorthodox. I mean, you've got the thing about it

725
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: is like you got Monster and Kalin there, Harry and DC.

726
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: If he's if he can hit top four, that's a

727
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: that's a that's a very very strong spine.

728
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: All the money is with New South Wales, right and

729
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: I think and I think given a lot of rugby

730
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 3: league is covered in New South Wales by the media,

731
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: so you know, all the all the chat has been

732
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: and this happens every year New South Wales get all

733
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: the media, we hypermnt we go we're gonna win, We're

734
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 3: gonna win, We're gonna win. No one talks about Queensland

735
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: at all, and then they go out and they shock

736
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 3: us a little bit. All the money's been in New

737
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: South Wales. But you look at that spine with Kaylon

738
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: Ponger and Camera Munster out there alone. There are two

739
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 3: blokes that if they go out there and play a

740
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 3: ten out of ten, nine out of ten, which they're

741
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 3: so capable of doing, they can win the game on

742
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: their own. That's what probably we don't have in the spine.

743
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: And like they've two x factors that can win a

744
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: game on single handly.

745
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: Let's get let's get straight to the mood of the

746
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: Sandwich year, right, let's talk about let's let's go dilly dell,

747
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: Let's talk about who we think will win and why.

748
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: For me, I'm really bullish on New South Wales. I've

749
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: got supreme confidence and I don't I don't say that,

750
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: you know, being a New South waleshman and being biased anyway,

751
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: shape or form, because there's plenty of times there that

752
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: I have tipped coinsland. Right when it comes to talking

753
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: about Origin, watch it, like I'll be honest with you, right,

754
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: Like I remember Madge Madge last year, he spoke to

755
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: me leaning into the series, he said, oh, Maddie, you

756
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: know we're going to try to get some people who

757
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: are former Blues players to come in to Campbell the

758
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: rest of it, I said, Madge, I'll just stop you there, mate.

759
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: I said, Look, I am not an ultra passionate Blues man.

760
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: I'm just not you know what I mean.

761
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: And you know like.

762
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: And say that what you will, but I just can't.

763
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: I can't lie. I'm not going to get here and

764
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: just go mate. I'm not going to absolutely tear myself

765
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: apart and agonize if they get beat first and foremost want.

766
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: I watched the game as a lover of the sport,

767
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: and I admire the players. But I'm not going to

768
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: sit here straight away and just go mate. I'm going

769
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: to be blue, blue blue because of the fact that I.

770
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: Played for you. It's it's not how it's not how

771
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: I work.

772
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: I hate I hate that. I hate watching the coverage.

773
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: And you've got two Blues there too, Moro owns there

774
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 3: and they both only it's very it's just bias opinion.

775
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: I think it's a It's a beautiful thing where you

776
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: just as you just look at the game itself, you

777
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: look at the players and just be completely objective if

778
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: you if you just because you played for the Blues

779
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: doesn't mean you can't say I think Queen's and can

780
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 3: win this series. Can't do that, That's right, But there's

781
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 3: so many there's so many objective people because they because

782
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: they are Blue through and through, and some of them

783
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 3: might even be employed by the Blues, so they're still

784
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 3: like they have to.

785
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: But I'll see it is Coode. That's it's way it

786
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 2: is with football clubs as well. Like you know, Blake

787
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: asked me, and I think I've said this before the podcast.

788
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: He said, Mate, still love the nights. You know what,

789
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: It's hard football clubs change. It's not the same club

790
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: that when you were there. You know what do I

791
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 2: love mate? I loved I love them, the teammates. I

792
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: love Pool on the Jersey, I love the city, I

793
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: love the fans. The club's different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's

794
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: just it's just it's different. It's like it is now,

795
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: like you know, like I I yeah, so when I

796
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: when when I when I look at the state of Origin,

797
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 2: look at a game, I I look at it objectively

798
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 2: and gay right, who I think is going to win?

799
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: And I've said before me and Joey fell out is

800
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 2: the fact that in that series, without being a smart

801
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: ass on new Coins, then we're going to win that series.

802
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: I just knew.

803
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: I looked at the side they picked, the dynamic of

804
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 2: the side and everything else that's going to win this series.

805
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: I see nothing but New South Wales.

806
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: Why is that.

807
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 2: Quality of the side, quality of the individuals in the side,

808
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: but also the dynamic of the side. It just fits

809
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: perfectly the Rubik's cube. It works. And the reason is

810
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: Coops is if we can just if we can just

811
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: do one thing, New south Wales, if New South Wales

812
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 2: can consistently get Nathan Cleary into position for attacking kicks

813
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: consistently through the game, we'll win. Because his kicking game

814
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 2: that produces points and it builds pressure and not position.

815
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: Give him enough, give him enough attacking kicks. It is basically,

816
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 2: give him ten attacking kicks. You're back into probably pick

817
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: up three or four, four or five repeat sets, a

818
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: couple and a couple of tries from his attacking kicks.

819
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 2: So what New South Wales has to do now, don't

820
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 2: be too fancy, don't worry about doing this and blah

821
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: blah blah at the very at the brass tacks. The

822
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 2: bottom line is we just got to win the yardage game,

823
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: win the yardish game, get Nathan in the position for

824
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: attacking kicks at the end of every set of six

825
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 2: and we win the football game. We can do that regularly, okay,

826
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: or consistently with Nathan, put him in that position, we win, okay.

827
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: So that's that's the first thing. That's what we have

828
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: to do to win the football game. What gives me

829
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: confidence that we're going to put him in a position

830
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: all the time for attacking kicks regularly is the fact

831
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: that you look at our yardage men. Now I'm not

832
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 2: talking about the forwards right, I'm not even talking about

833
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: pay Hash he like pain is almost the icing on

834
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: the cake. Look at our back three, our back three,

835
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: the combination is Edwards, Zac Loomax. You do not get

836
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: a better yardish combination than those three blokes. When the

837
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: wrestles on, I reckon, our forwards won't even need to

838
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 2: handle handle the football.

839
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: They will go.

840
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 2: It'll be you know, it'll be Edwards to Zak Loomax,

841
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: maybe to again or Edwards again kick out of trouble

842
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 2: and the way they go, Now, that will reduce, that'll

843
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 2: take so much stress off our forwards, our big guys,

844
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 2: and again it will just put us into position constantly

845
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: for attacking kicks.

846
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. I had New South Wales when

847
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: a game one up at some uncle. That's that is

848
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: the defining factor, I think. Yeah, But they have our

849
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: back three will if like on paper, does a way

850
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: better job in terms of workload and how they're going

851
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: to carry the football back. Kalin's not a known sort

852
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 3: of kick returner for that sense. His presence is his

853
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: X factor with the footy, which is going to be

854
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 3: his sort of game breaker. But I think our back

855
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: three is going to just relieve so much pressure on

856
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 3: the forward.

857
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 2: On our back three, what's going to be really crucial

858
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: coups for Zach Zaklomax. Zach sometimes can be he has

859
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: I'll watch him and this is perfectly normal. Most of

860
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: his focuses on attack, he's carrying the football and stuff.

861
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: He works his ass off.

862
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: But occasionally I see him he switches off in defense,

863
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: you know, like he's almost exaes okay, you know all

864
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: the work he does and defensively, Billy will go at

865
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 2: Zach consistently. They will just go at him, going and

866
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: going que because what happens some signs with Zack when

867
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 2: he loses focus in defense, he disconnects himself from his

868
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: center and he tucks too much. And I think my

869
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 2: daughter was game won last year, or it might have

870
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: been the series before. Billy just kept going there through

871
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: Hammer and they just kept finding him out. They'll go

872
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: there again. They'll send Kalin around there on. They sweep

873
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 2: shapes going at him. So Zach's just gonna be on

874
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: his game.

875
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 3: And this is going to sound a little technical for

876
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 3: people something. I'll try to explain it as best as

877
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: I can here. There was a game last year when

878
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 3: it might have been Zachlomax's first game because he chases

879
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: kicks a lot, and they kick for him, try to

880
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 3: use him in that sense. When it is time to defend,

881
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 3: he probably tries to get his breath back a little bit. Yeah,

882
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: that's it, and I knew that chatting to a few

883
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: of the queens Land boys. They had a bit of

884
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 3: a plan around because Billy's quite good as a fullback.

885
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: He knows that how to exploit the back three in

886
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 3: terms of trying to kick forty twenties and trying to

887
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 3: find space with a kicking game so they can't catch

888
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 3: it on the fall. And they knowing that Zak Lomax

889
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 3: does a lot of work with his kick chase. He

890
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 3: probably doesn't think about getting back to shut down forty

891
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 3: twenty opportunities Dally Cherry Evans. They identified that and there

892
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 3: was a four tackle where he went and kick to

893
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 3: forty twenty yep, because they knew he'd just kick chased

894
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 3: a few. He was tired. So I have no doubt

895
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 3: that they'll be they'll be looking to exploit that again

896
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 3: this year.

897
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: Zach will have I reckon probably in the mid twenties.

898
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: As far as carries, he'll work his ass off, but

899
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: it's just so vitally important that mate, when he gets

900
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: back to his edge defensively doesn't switch off. They will

901
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: just go at him, go at him, go at him relentlessly.

902
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: So what do we think? What do you reckon?

903
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 3: I've got you so well as twenty to eight, en,

904
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 3: do you what have you got? What's just God?

905
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: I've gone, I've got South Wales twenty six twelve. You've

906
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: got them comfortably. I'm bullish, I'm really bullish.

907
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 3: I've never seen you this confident because I'm a bit

908
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 3: worried about Queensland. I think they like fire in their

909
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 3: belly and I think that you know how much that

910
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 3: Jersey means to them, and each player has such a

911
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 3: point to prove. Munster wasn't there last year. Terry's got

912
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff going on that he wants to shut.

913
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: A lot of people up.

914
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: Harry's Harry's Harry. Can I ask you just two more points?

915
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 3: I want to bring up to you who spined your

916
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 3: rate as better? Like if you if you had to,

917
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 3: if you were coaching a team. Let's say you were

918
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 3: coaching not so well as quens and you were coaching

919
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: Act and Act said, you get to pick the spine

920
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 3: of Queensland on New so Wales. Who you're picking, because

921
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: in my opinion, I'm picking Queensland. That's spine.

922
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: I like New South Wales, you like New so Cleary.

923
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: I think the one thing for me, the one thing

924
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 3: that for me that ticks it over is Harry. I

925
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 3: think everyone else is kind of pretty even sure, and

926
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 3: then Harry. Harry is Harry in my opinion, He's just

927
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 3: out and out the best hooker in it, like by

928
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 3: a country mile in the NROL.

929
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 2: H I agree, I agree, but I just love Cleary.

930
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: It's Clear's time, Yeah, it's clear his time.

931
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: Last thing I want to ask you the big match

932
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: up Robert Toyer versus Latrell Mitchell. Robert Toyer, shout out

933
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: to him. Ten games. He's been picked in the centers

934
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: by Billy Slater. He's probably going to be This is

935
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 3: probably the biggest moment of his career so far, easily

936
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 3: coming up against probably the most damaging center in the NRL,

937
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 3: Latrell Mitchell. How do you see that matchup going?

938
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: Well, Robert to to ten games, hell of a footballer.

939
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 2: And the fact that Billy's picked him says he's ready, Pip,

940
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: is he ready to get well?

941
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 1: Billy picked him.

942
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 2: Billy's so thorough he doesn't pick someone that's not ready. Yeah,

943
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: he's ready to go.

944
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: Coops. It's a little bit like a lot of the

945
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: presence of Latrell.

946
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: I liken it to a young boxer stepping into the

947
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: ring with Muhammad Ali, you know what I mean. When

948
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: he's out there, Robert, he'll stand opposite in a look

949
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: against Latrell, and I was just like, that's one of

950
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: those You don't get a lot of those one on

951
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: one ins a lot in the game these days, but center,

952
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 2: as you do, you just know you're in that ten

953
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: meter corridor for the whole game just steering at each other,

954
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: and there'd be times that he be looking across gun.

955
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 1: That's fucking Latroll Mitchell.

956
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and Latrell mate Latrell early in the game,

957
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: will try to get an early carry and just you know,

958
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: like try to break his.

959
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: Confidence a little bit.

960
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: It's just important, Like Vittoya, He's just got to get

961
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: up again Latrell's face, but it's going to be. It's

962
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: a great clash. And that's the other thing gives me

963
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: great confidence. Cop Latroll, Mitchell, Stephen Crichton, It's June Miles Malmaninger.

964
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: I mean those two blokes on the when you look

965
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: at those blokes on the team sheet, I just again

966
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: it's not one on paper, victory is on grasp, but

967
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: they just got great presence.

968
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: It's a great it's a great side.

969
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: Oh bloody, it's a it's a cool moment in my opinion,

970
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 3: like not since probably twenty eighteen, I believe it was

971
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 3: when it's like Latrell Mitchell up against Will Chambers, who

972
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 3: was kind of the best. It was almost like a

973
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,479
Speaker 3: passing of the baton on when Latrell started to sort

974
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 3: of dominate in the NFL, particularly at original level. He

975
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 3: was a real handful. Gave gave Chambers a rough night

976
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: a couple of times, but Chambers at that time was

977
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: just enging at the end of his career and he

978
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 3: was one of the best players in the NRL. Now

979
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 3: it's like it feels a very similar kind of matchup.

980
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 3: You've got the older ball against the young up and

981
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 3: karma Robert Toyer.

982
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: Well Cooper a little bit scratch you mate.

983
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 3: I know I was watching you the whole time, looking

984
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 3: at the time, just wanting to wrap up.

985
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: You enjoyed it. I'll enjoyed the Origin.

986
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: Twenty six twelve New South Wales first try scorer Zach

987
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: Lomax off a kick from Nathan Cleary, Man of the

988
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: match Nathan Cleary.

989
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 3: You so w I was twenty eighteen Nathan Cleary, man

990
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 3: of the match, first try scorer. In my opinion, he's

991
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 3: a bit of value for you. Angus Crichton, Oh like us.

992
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:45,479
Speaker 1: Good