1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, and here I've been reflecting on some of 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: my favorite moments on the podcast so far. I've spoken 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: to so many amazing people, and some of them truly 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: have beaten the odds. Today, I want to look back 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: on those people who have survived the unthinkable. First off, 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: let's look back at my very first guest on head Game, 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: Todd Russell. Todd spent nearly two weeks trapped a kilometer 8 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: underground in the Beaconsfield mind disaster. 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: It was nine to twenty five PM. 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 3: Is obviously the seismic event, which registered two point three 11 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 3: on the richterscale. And even though you say you don't 12 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 3: feel them vibrations, I have been informed at stage that 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: some of the vibrations were fifteen k's away. You know, 14 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 3: for us it was instant main quicker than you can blink, 15 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 3: quicker than split second. And you know, I remember laying 16 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 3: there and I'm in a position that nobody's body should 17 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 3: be putting. My left leg was completely numb from my 18 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 3: hip to the tips of my toes was numb that 19 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 3: took six days to recover. My left knee was punched 20 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 3: through one hundred mile galv and ied steel mesh. My 21 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 3: entire body apart from my forearms, from my elbows down 22 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 3: and my neck up was covered in rock. And when 23 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 3: I say rock, some of them were as small as 24 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 3: fifty cent pieces. 25 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 2: Some of as big as footballs. 26 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 3: And it wasn't until then that I sort of started 27 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: to get my bearings about myself that I realized what 28 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 3: had happened. Initially, I thought there'd been a malfunction on 29 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: the machine where the tires might have blown out or 30 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 3: something like that, because of the percussion inside the basket. 31 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: It's a basket that's one point four meter square, so 32 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 3: it's only nine hundred high, and there's no roof above us, 33 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 3: so we're open to the elements. But you know, and 34 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: we've now got this suspended of ars like a three 35 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 3: dimensional jigsaw puzzle. We only at one piece of that 36 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 3: rock to move, and as a fair chance that we're 37 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: going to be crushed to death. But I remember laying 38 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: there in the darkness, completely buried in so much pain, 39 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 3: and I remember screaming to Larry and to Brand to 40 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 3: get us out, You get us out, Get us out, 41 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 3: and trying to get Brand to help me get the. 42 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: Rock off me. And I was one one hundred, I 43 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: think it was one hundred and. 44 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 3: Sixteen kilo when I was working underground, and I thought 45 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 3: maybe I was physically strong enough to heave up and 46 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 3: push the rock off me. But each time that I 47 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,679 Speaker 3: did that, it compacted tighter and tighter, and I was unable. 48 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: To take a smart to oxygen in. 49 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 3: The pressure was actually starting to push the contents and 50 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: my stomach up. I slowly suffocating, and you know, I 51 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 3: remember laying there in excruciating pain, and I just prayed 52 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 3: to the big fellow. 53 00:02:58,880 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: I said, You've got to. 54 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 3: Take and I said, I can't handle this anymore so 55 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 3: and I remember laying there wanting it to end. And 56 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 3: an image appeared, and that image was a picture of Carolin, 57 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 3: myself and the three kids. Because only only a week 58 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: or two weeks before beacon Field happening, we went and 59 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 3: had a family portrait to take it, and one of 60 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: the photos was our group photo. And once that image appeared, 61 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 3: I knew I had to fight. I couldn't leave my 62 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 3: family behind. And to see that image was the image 63 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: that brought me back to fight. 64 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: And then screamed to. 65 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 3: Brand even though I'm now buried at a round about 66 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 3: read about the four hour mark, worried about a crash injury. 67 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, you've got the toxins. 68 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: You've got, you've got the you got the gravity that's 69 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: against you. 70 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 4: You've got the rocks out of on you. 71 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: You've got a situation where it's pitch black, and you 72 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: know how dangerous it is down there. You're thinking, I'm 73 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: never getting out of the situation, and then you've got 74 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: your power next year, that's unconscious. Yep, this picture comes up, 75 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: But that's your reason. 76 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: Yep, that's what That's what I now fight for. 77 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: So you know, brands now come come around. We've set 78 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: about removing this rock that's covering my entire body, one 79 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: rock at a time. Obviously, there was no room to 80 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 3: put it outside the basket, so the bigger rocks had 81 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 3: to be stacked inside the basket. The smaller rocks we 82 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 3: found places for. So now we're in a basket that's 83 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 3: one point four meters by now seven hundred, so we've 84 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 3: taken half the space of the cave stacked with rock. 85 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 3: We had one guy laying on his back, one land 86 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 3: on his side, so each time we want to toss 87 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 3: and turn, it was just like laying on a better 88 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 3: razor blade. So after you know the concerns of a 89 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 3: crush injury. Four and a half hours later, I am 90 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: now in a position where I'm pretty much totally incapacitated 91 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 3: because my left leg's completely numb. 92 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: So when did your power come to? When did he 93 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: When did he sort of come to? When did you realize? 94 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: There must have been a relief to find that he 95 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: was actually because looking knowing that he's there and he's 96 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: not responding, you're probably thinking he's dead. 97 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 2: The thing is, I couldn't see because because you're. 98 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: In darkness and you know he's there and he's not responding, 99 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: are you thinking in your head he's dead? 100 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: Yes, you know, I'm thinking I'm not getting a response. 101 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 4: To it's pitch black as well. 102 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 3: Because what people don't realize is when you work underground, 103 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 3: there's a difference between. 104 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: Dark and darkness. 105 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 3: You're sitting in a room, you turn the lights off, bang, 106 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 3: it's pitched black dark. But over a period of thirty 107 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: or forty seconds, your night light starts to come through 108 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 3: your eyes and you can actually see through the darkness. 109 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 3: When you're underground, you cannot see two centimeters in run now. 110 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 4: So how do you know that he's alive, That brand's alive? 111 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: So we're probably about I know, two, probably three and 112 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 3: a half hours into it. So once I made contact 113 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: with him, like, he then yeeled out to me. So 114 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 3: he's obviously coming around. He's now fearing for his life 115 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: as well. So now he's yelling out to me. Next thing, 116 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: you know, being right, we're on level playing field and 117 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 3: he's we're talking to each other through the darkness, not 118 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: knowing where each other were. Like we knew within an 119 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 3: area that we were, but I didn't know what position 120 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 3: he was in. He didn't know what position I was in. 121 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 4: Was it relief or did it insite panic? 122 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 3: If brand hadn't come through, well then and that image 123 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 3: of mind didn't come through, it's just fortunate that we 124 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 3: both pulled through because there'd be nothing works. And you 125 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 3: can imagine learning a small area with the deceased body. Besides, 126 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 3: you know, even now you're now dealing with that as 127 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 3: well as whatever else is going on. 128 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 4: So that mindset flip. 129 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: You see that picture, you now got Brandt on side, 130 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: what do you how does the communication happen and what 131 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: do you start doing to make to make things better 132 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: for you? 133 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 3: So without using the words that we probably used underground 134 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 3: throughout the course of the day, but it was a 135 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 3: matter of you know, our main priority now is if 136 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: you're free Brandt, we need to free me. And because 137 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 3: of because of the rock and stuff that we're using 138 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: a lot of was quartz net too, and quarts is 139 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 3: very sharp, so you know, we've got a lot of cuts, 140 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 3: bruises and lacerations. 141 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 2: Throughout the course. 142 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 3: But you know, over the over that that period of 143 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 3: the few hours to get the rock off me, and 144 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 3: then obviously we're going to the next six stay station 145 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 3: there where you know, there's a lot of things that 146 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 3: we were doing, a lot of things that we're talking 147 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 3: about just to try and keep him marile up. 148 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: So you mentioned morale in the military is everything, you know, 149 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: we see, you know, humor in the face of adversity. 150 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: You know, morale is ultimately, i would say, one of 151 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: the key survival methods of staying alive morale, whether that's hope, 152 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: whether it's just humor in the face of adversity, just 153 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: trying to keep morale high, because that's what's going to 154 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: keep you alive. Right, how did you keep morale to 155 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: a level where there was. 156 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 3: Hope, Well, we're going to two stages there, you know, like. 157 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: You have morale, and you had that roller coaster ride 158 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: as well. 159 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: So throughout the course of the next six days we 160 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: had some highs and we had a lot of lows, 161 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 3: but morale. We talked about family and that's what got 162 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 3: us through. You know, both Brand and I were two 163 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: completely different people. We'd never worked together before in seven years. 164 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: We'd started the mine on the same day under the 165 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 3: same mining contractor, but never ever worked together to Anzac 166 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 3: day two thousand and six. You know, it was interesting, 167 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 3: how you know, everybody's got a different life story. And 168 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 3: Brand's older than me. Him and Rachel, they've got twins 169 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 3: who are eighteen. 170 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: At the time. 171 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 3: I had a younger family, so I had three children. 172 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 3: I had two boys and a girl, so I had 173 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 3: them who was six at the time, Madison who was 174 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 3: ten at the time, and my Audis was twelve, so 175 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 3: they were younger. 176 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 2: You know. 177 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 3: As part of our conversations it was about if anything 178 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 3: happened to him or happened to me. We had messages, 179 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 3: specific messages, we want to take him back to our family. 180 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 3: So once we got our bearings, one I think it 181 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 3: was my cap lamp had been smashed in the rock fall. 182 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 3: Brands fortunately was knocked off his head. So after scratching 183 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 3: through the rocks, we found his cap lamp. So we 184 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: had lights sparingly. So we knew and we knew that 185 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 3: the battery would only last appeariod. 186 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: Day twelve or fourteen hours. 187 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: Maybe if you had to rush in your light, how 188 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: did you food water? 189 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 4: How did you rush in that? 190 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 3: So the first six days, like I said, I had 191 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 3: my water bottle in the basket, but still to this 192 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 3: day I have no idea where that water bottle went to. 193 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 3: So over the six days, we started collecting groundwater in 194 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 3: one helmet, so the dripping of the water, because Beaconsfield 195 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 3: was a very wet mind but to get a mouthful 196 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 3: of water it took somewhere for sending, probably two hours 197 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: just to get a mouthful of water. So we then decided, then, look, 198 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 3: you know, we can't rely on this, so we started 199 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: collecting our urine in another helmet, worst case scenario, not 200 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 3: that we didn't do that. 201 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: Luckily we didn't have to. 202 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 3: But over the six days, I said, you know, I said, 203 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 3: we started collecting the water. We had no food apart 204 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 3: from Musley bar Brandt was He gave me half of 205 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 3: his mulely bow, but I lost it, So I didn't 206 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 3: eat for the first six days. We never slept for 207 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 3: six days because we're too frightened it. And like I said, 208 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 3: over the six days before being found alive, there was 209 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 3: so much happening, you know, because I had a watch 210 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 3: on and I knew that the accident happened about nine 211 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 3: to twenty five, So every time we got to nine 212 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 3: twenty five, I knew it was day shift. 213 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: I knew it was night shift. 214 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 3: And over the course of the next six days, like 215 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 3: I said, there was so much happening. It was underground 216 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 3: loaders working in the nine to twenty five level, bogging 217 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 3: the dirt out, taking it back and put it in 218 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 3: the stockpile, even to the extent where it started to 219 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 3: lift the back of the machine that both brand and 220 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 3: I are on. You know, we've got all this rock 221 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 3: suspended of us, like it's three to meters of jigsaw puzzle. 222 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 3: And unbeknowns to both Brandon and myself at this time, 223 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 3: the body of Larry Knight had been found two days in, 224 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 3: so they didn't give both Brandon myself any chance of survival. 225 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 3: So what we're now concerned of is now they found 226 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 3: the back of the machine they're going to bring in 227 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: a big loader, put a big chain on it and 228 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 3: just drag it out so they could give our bodies 229 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 3: back to our loved ones. 230 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: So they could bear it. But it got those stage. 231 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 3: We could hear the underground drill rigs drilling away, and 232 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 3: it just sounded like they were rahabilitating the area. But 233 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, there's dead silence, and we couldn't 234 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 3: understand why. We could hear the machines driving off in 235 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 3: the distance, you hear the light vehicles start up and 236 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 3: drive off, and we knew that the day shift had 237 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 3: come on and the night shift had gone off. But 238 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 3: after a period of time, like I said, there was 239 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 3: dead silence, and we didn't know whether someone else had 240 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 3: been hurt or something from a potential rock fall. And 241 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: then you know, we're laying there in the pitch black 242 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 3: darkness with which if you haven't been undergrounded to know 243 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 3: what darknesses, and all of a sudden, there's just this 244 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 3: almighty explosion. So what we realized later thirty meters from 245 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 3: where we were laying, they started drilling and blasting. 246 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 4: Did you try and communicate with them? 247 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 3: So we tried to make communication. You know, we had 248 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 3: some suppliers and shift and some rock. It's all besting 249 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: on the still carriage, trying to notify them that, and 250 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 3: then all of a sudden the horn horn beeped, so 251 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 3: we thought we'd been found alive, but it wasn't. It 252 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 3: was just to notify people that were in the area 253 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 3: that the machine was starting up and was driving. 254 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: Off in a survival situation like that, which I think 255 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: is really important for the listeners, is any little glimmer 256 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: of hope like that that horn blow did you just 257 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: and you grubbed hold of that? 258 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 4: Was that morale in itself? 259 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: Yep? That leads to this because you know, and then 260 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 2: you get the. 261 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 3: Drilling and blasting in your back that back then here 262 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 3: at the floor level, you know, you're on the downer. 263 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 3: And like I said, we're in pitchfake dark, and so 264 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 3: we've turned the light on the spirit because we're using 265 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 3: it sparently, And. 266 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: We just looked at each other and said, what the 267 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: you know what? 268 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 3: And I took a pen from my pocket and I started, 269 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 3: I mean left leg I started recording times and dates 270 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 3: so that whatever they did on the outside killed us, 271 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 3: that if they recovered our bodies, there was proof to 272 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 3: prove that what they did killed us and we were 273 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 3: alive at that. 274 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 2: Particular point in time. And then on my on my 275 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 2: right leg. 276 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 3: This this was probably the hardest thing that I endured 277 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 3: while I was underground. So I sat there and I 278 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 3: wrote a goodbye letter or goodbye note to every individual 279 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 3: of the family Mum, Dad, Carolyn, Trent, Madison, Leam, brother, sister, 280 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 3: a whole lot, just on my left leg, you know, 281 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 3: just saying look, I can't I can't even remember what 282 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 3: I wrote, but there was a there's a little note 283 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 3: to each of them so that you know our bodies 284 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 3: were recovered. 285 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 2: And that's what we did. 286 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 3: And that was the first six days, and it wasn't 287 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 3: until the Sunday afternoon. Is there was two gentlemen that 288 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 3: came back down to the nine to twenty five level 289 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 3: and as I said, unfortunately Larry lost his life and 290 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 3: his body was recovered two days into the rescue. And 291 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 3: that area then became a crime scene, so it was 292 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 3: caught en off for investigation purposes. Process is in place 293 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 3: and now it's a crime scene. It had to be 294 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 3: guarded by minds, inspectors and stuff like that, so that 295 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 3: you know, if our bodies were recovered and then they 296 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 3: do the full investigation. And these two gentlemen, like I said, 297 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 3: come back down to that area, and they made a 298 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 3: remark to the Mind's Inspector that maybe you need to 299 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 3: have a coffee, and he sort of twigged on what 300 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 3: was happening, and he said to the guys, he said, look, 301 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 3: it'll take me about fifteen minutes to have a coffee. 302 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 3: So no sooner did that Mind's Inspector go out of sight. 303 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 3: They entered the nine to twenty five level at their 304 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 3: own risk, and that's what they did. They entered their 305 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 3: own risk because it was such a heavily devastated As 306 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 3: I said earlier, brand and I were two completely different people, 307 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 3: and apart from two things we had in common, we 308 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 3: both married high school sweethearts, and we both knew how 309 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 3: to seen Kenny Rodgers a game black so so. 310 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 4: Lot of Kenny Rodger's going on down there. 311 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 2: With Yeah, but music in general is another healer. 312 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: And another motivating yeah, and jokes like yeahr raw yep. 313 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: Brandt is a joker. And you know, throughout the course 314 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: of the rescue. 315 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 3: I had my strengths, he had his strength, So we 316 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 3: relied on each other strengths to get us through. 317 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 4: My next guest is Jackson Warn. 318 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: This interview was so special to me, being friends with 319 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: both Jackson and his late father Shane. In this episode, 320 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: Jackson opened up about the moment he received the heartbreaking 321 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: phone call. 322 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 5: I don't think I'll ever be able to probably forget 323 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 5: where I was or what I was doing, because all 324 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 5: you get is a phone call. And then when you 325 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 5: hang up the phone call, you laugh at and your 326 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 5: laugh that you've been living your entire life, everything you 327 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 5: ever knew sort of was like this just gets wushed, 328 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 5: just completely flips upside down because you're like, well, hang on, 329 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 5: who am I gonna ask for advice? 330 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 2: Now? 331 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 6: Well? Hang on? You tell me I can never see 332 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 6: him ever again. We'll hang on. Hang on. 333 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 5: Your mind does one hundred million thoughts an hour, and 334 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 5: you're like, hey, what, Like you're just in complete shock 335 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 5: that after you have all these thoughts and you let 336 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 5: the tears out, that you just sort of sit in 337 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 5: silence like we I was with my girlfriend, my sister 338 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 5: Brooke and her partner, and then my mum and we 339 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 5: just got a call, hung up the phone and we 340 00:16:54,840 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 5: just sat in silence for hours. And then our grandparents 341 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 5: came over, and then a few other friends and family 342 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 5: came over. But I can still very vividly remember, you know, 343 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 5: seeing my phone and who was calling. 344 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 6: I'm like, ill, hang on. 345 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 5: He's with my dad. Very weird that he would be 346 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 5: calling me and not my dad. So I'll answer it, 347 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 5: and then yes, oh shit, it's real. And then you 348 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 5: sort of just go into like a complete shock, like 349 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 5: you don't you sort of don't want to accept it, 350 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 5: Like I'm still convinced and it might sound crazy, but 351 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 5: I'm convinced that I'm confident I'll at least have one 352 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 5: conversation with my dad again, like I know, whether it 353 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 5: be in a dream or somewhere, I'm convinced and that 354 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 5: I'll be at least talking to him one more time, 355 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 5: because there's no way I won't be able to talk 356 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:50,479 Speaker 5: to them about you know, poker or Saint Kilda Football 357 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 5: Club or any of our hobbies that we used to 358 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 5: do all the time. There's no way I won't be 359 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 5: able to talk to him about it, and I could 360 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 5: probably I can tell you about a dream that might 361 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 5: sound bizarre, but it would have been maybe two weeks 362 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 5: or two and a half weeks after Dad passed and 363 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 5: I was driving my car. He was driving his car, 364 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 5: and we used to not race. We used to just 365 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 5: drive next to each other and race used to race 366 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 5: a little bit, but he was always the better driver 367 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 5: and the better car, so it'ld always beat me all 368 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 5: the time, all the time. And this dream I had 369 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 5: was I was just driving my car, he was driving 370 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 5: his car. We're both looking at each other left and 371 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 5: right and driving and driving, and then all of a 372 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 5: sudden our cars sort of they sort of merged, and 373 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 5: I was in the driver's seat of his car. And 374 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 5: then I looked to my left and he wasn't there. 375 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 5: And then I sort of woke up, and I can 376 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 5: really vividly remember that dream, like I can everything about it. 377 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 6: I can remember. 378 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 5: And I sort of looked at that as he was 379 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 5: sort of giving me the permission to be in charge now. 380 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 5: I was like, well, Jackson, I'm giving you the driver's seat. 381 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 5: You're the one that's you know, going to be made 382 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 5: and the tough decisions. Now you're the one that has 383 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 5: to step up for the family. I'm not here anymore. 384 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 6: You have to be. 385 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 5: And I can still, really, I can really really clearly 386 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 5: remember that dream, and I don't think it was a dream, 387 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 5: like it might it sounds crazy, but I don't think 388 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 5: it was a dream. I think it was you know, 389 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 5: Dad's sort of giving me a sign of saying, you're 390 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 5: you're the boss. 391 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 6: Now, you're in charge. 392 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 4: It's your consciousness. 393 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, you're in the driver's seat. You've got to be 394 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 5: their few sisters, you've got to be their few family now. 395 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 5: And but that's just one thing. There's been hundreds of 396 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 5: things that have happened since March. 397 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: The experience rather than the dream, because I get you know, 398 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: lucid dreaming is it's almost you know, you're going into 399 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: a separate realm going and I'm getting really spiritual here 400 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: and you know, you know, I'm a strong believer in 401 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: it as well. So when you say that to me, 402 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, the conversation is going to happen, probably 403 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: more than one. Yeah, but it's it's so real that, 404 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: like you said it, it sounds it's not it's like. 405 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, it felt real. It felt super real. 406 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: And for you to process that message, for you to say, wow, 407 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: it feels like my dad has said you're in charge now, son, 408 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: here's the steer and will I've taken you. You know, 409 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: I've taken you this far, now it's time. 410 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 5: To That's That's definitely what I feel, and it gives me, 411 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 5: you know, that's what helps me walk around with my 412 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 5: chest up and my head held high because I know 413 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 5: Dad would be proud of me. I know everything I'm 414 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 5: doing I'm supposed to be doing, and I know in 415 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 5: the last eighty months that he would be proud of me, 416 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 5: and I would just love to for him, and I 417 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 5: know he sees how hard me brought everyone, friends and 418 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 5: family are all working together as a unit because I 419 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 5: know in some families when something like this happens, they 420 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 5: sort of just lose contact. 421 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, they just I don't know, it just doesn't feel 422 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 6: the same. 423 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 5: But we're quite lucky that we've all, you know, stayed 424 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 5: really close and. 425 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: Thought you're closer together, or do you think that's possible 426 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: or you're already super close anyway. 427 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 5: I think we're already quite close already. But I think 428 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 5: it's brought together me and my sisters and mum closer 429 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 5: because we're not that we're scared. But I genuinely thought 430 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 5: Dad was superman Like. I thought he could survive anything. 431 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 5: I saw him go through the most outrageous stuff all 432 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 5: the time, and it wasn't he would be going through 433 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 5: battles once a month or once. He was going through 434 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 5: battles every single day and coming out the other end 435 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,239 Speaker 5: so much stronger. And so when that happened to him, 436 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 5: I'm like, well, hang on, that could happen to mom, 437 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 5: That could happen to any That could happen to anyone, 438 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 5: because over the last two three years, lots of people, 439 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 5: not only I'm not the only person that lost their dad, 440 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 5: lots of people have lost loved ones. And so I 441 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 5: sort of look at it like I need to be 442 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 5: just so present because I know it's a bad thought, 443 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 5: but it could happen to anyone, and I don't want 444 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 5: that to happen to anyone. So while I'm in this moment, 445 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,479 Speaker 5: I'm here, Like, for example, a few nights ago, it 446 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 5: was me and my sisters and Muma were all just 447 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 5: having dinner at my house and like there was just 448 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 5: no phones and we're all just so in that moment 449 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 5: because we were just there. It's just made us really present. 450 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 5: But it's been really nice over the last eighty months 451 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 5: just hearing stories because everyone's got a Shane warn story, 452 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 5: and everyone everyone has everyone has a Shane Warn story. 453 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 5: And what was really cool was I I knew he 454 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 5: was I knew he was very successful and well known, 455 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 5: and I knew he sort of he broke out of 456 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 5: just being a cricket player. Like there's a few people 457 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 5: in each sport that sort of just transcend their sport, 458 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 5: like Michael Jordan with basketball, Tiger Woods with gold, Tom 459 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 5: Brady NFL, Dad with cricket. 460 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: And. 461 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 4: On the head there. 462 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I was playing poker in Gold Coaster's Shane 463 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 5: Wan tournament. I was doing the cheff up and deal 464 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 5: and I was sitting on a table and this guy 465 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 5: was from Canada and the guy from oh, yeah, you know, 466 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 5: I'm friends with your dad. I've met him a few times. 467 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 5: Worn he was a great man. And I'm thinking and 468 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 5: hang on, he's from Canada. How does he know? And 469 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 5: he's like, yeah, everyone knew Shane Warning. 470 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 6: Canada. 471 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 5: We don't know what cricket is because we don't know 472 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 5: how to play it. It's a bit like baseball, but 473 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 5: we know who your dad is. Of course he was 474 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 5: a legend. I've gone that's just so cool. And there's 475 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 5: been a few times where I won't say who, but 476 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 5: we've been with other pretty successful and well known people 477 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 5: and we're not in a country where they play sport 478 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 5: and they walk straight past these people and go straight 479 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 5: to Dad. And Dad was like, what the hell do 480 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 5: you know who's right in front of me? And they 481 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 5: just wanted to go straight to Dad and they weren't 482 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 5: even Australian and it was like, that's just so cool 483 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 5: that someone was able to spin a leather ball and 484 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 5: be himself twenty four to seven. 485 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 6: That has impacted all around the world and. 486 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: He got especially the people that he met because your 487 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: dad left coh. You know, talk about positivity, talk about 488 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: you know, positive energy. 489 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 4: You know that's that's people that talk about him like that. 490 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: You know that's because they've hit, they've had something positive 491 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: from your dad. They can you know, it can spin 492 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: a levable and you know he's a great cricketer. But 493 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: it's his persona, it's his personality, it's his energy, his 494 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: energy you could could reach through a TV. Said, you know, honestly, 495 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: you just you know, he's just like it's just it's 496 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: just a ball of energy. 497 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 4: That was right. 498 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 5: And he never and he used to say this all 499 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 5: the time in interviews and everywhere he'd ever go. He 500 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 5: never tried to be someone he wasn't. He was always 501 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 5: just himself and that way he never had to try 502 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 5: and play catch up or what did I say? 503 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 2: But he what did? 504 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 5: He was just one hundred percent genuine himself all the time. 505 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 5: And that's why I think everyone has a shame once 506 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 5: story because they left him. They made Dad made them 507 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 5: feel a certain way, yes, and when you can make 508 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 5: them feel a certain way, nine percent it was positive. 509 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 5: They just they're like, I can't believe he's such a 510 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 5: good guy. I can't believe he's so positive or he 511 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 5: was so genuine. 512 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 4: Even through those messages. 513 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: You know, we messive, you know you could just I 514 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: know because I'm I'm connected as well, I'm energetic of 515 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: you know, I'm all about positivity and you know, using 516 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: those negative experience to flip them into a positive which 517 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: you have, which you've done as well, which we get onto. 518 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 4: But you know you can you can just feel it 519 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 4: through a message. You can feel it. 520 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: You know you don't it's almost which is super rare 521 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: because normally you need to be there. But your dad 522 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: was one of them people that to to have a 523 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: positive effect on you, he didn't even he could reach 524 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: you through a screen. He could reach you through a phone, 525 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: he could reach you through through a couple of words, 526 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, And that's that's the uniqueness, which I think, 527 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: you know, really really set him, set him, set him 528 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: on that sort of that elite stage of being part 529 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: of that one percent as a person. Yes, phenomenal, phenomenal, 530 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: quicktom as well person. 531 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 6: Yeah. Well, I never saw him say no to a photo. 532 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 5: There was a handful of times where there'd be someone 533 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 5: that was really drunk and they're being rude and would 534 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 5: sort of walk away. But I like he was to 535 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 5: this day the busiest person I've ever known. Like I 536 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 5: would walk down before would be you know, eight o'clock 537 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 5: and he would already have his PA and manager all 538 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 5: at his house writing notes, what were we go to 539 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 5: do this week? And he was so organized and prepared 540 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 5: and a professional that I reckon it would have been 541 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 5: since I can remember, maybe two thousand and seven or 542 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 5: two thousand and eight. Ever since he retired, he just 543 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 5: got busier and so he every year would probably be 544 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 5: done around March for April, he had had already the 545 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 5: next year planned out. So by March April, let's say 546 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 5: we're in twenty ten, he had already organized and completed 547 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 5: twenty eleven, like the plants for twenty eleven. That's how 548 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 5: just organized and planned he wanted to be. And so 549 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 5: he was just so always working that he would never 550 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 5: still say no to someone for photo. He'd still say 551 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 5: no to someone for you know, a signature speaks for 552 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 5: someone someone that had a crickerball like this. One time 553 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 5: we were in Gold Coast in the middle of it, 554 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 5: we had ten minute break usually in our poker tournaments. 555 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 5: We were in a poker tournament in Gold Coast and 556 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 5: we were in our ten minute break. He was having 557 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 5: a smoke and then as we're rushing back to go 558 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 5: back to the room to start playing, there's about one 559 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 5: minute ago this little kid and his dad. The kids 560 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 5: stopped him with the crooke. Malls like, oh, Shane, can 561 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 5: you please saw my criockball. He goes, of course signed it, 562 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 5: and then Dad's like, actually, do you want to teach 563 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 5: a few things, because he's like, I'm a leg spinner. 564 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 5: I'm seven or eight years old. I really want to 565 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 5: learn leg spin. He's like, of course, and I've got 566 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 5: a video of it. But they Dad was, you know, 567 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 5: in this hallway or outside. Dad was just bowling to 568 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 5: him for five ten minutes, maybe more of just Okay, 569 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 5: this is a lek spin, this is where you want 570 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 5: to put your hands, this is a wrong and you 571 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 5: want to do fingers like this. He was just giving 572 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 5: him all these techniques of this seven or eight year 573 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 5: old who has messages me a few times saying, I'll 574 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 5: never forget that day. You know, thank you for your dad, 575 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 5: for those amazing memories. But that just shows he was 576 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 5: in no rush to get to wherever he got to. 577 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 5: He was so present and wanted to be with the 578 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 5: person who's connecting with And I think that's where I've 579 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 5: gotten that superpower from him, because I just learned that 580 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 5: and was observing him my whole life. That now that 581 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 5: when that happens to me, I can also hope to 582 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 5: do the same. 583 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 6: I just hope I can be really present. I hope 584 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 6: I can be there. 585 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: That is the one hundred percent agree that's the superverseor 586 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: something special that I believe that he has passed onto 587 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: you because I see the same thing. AFL star Jason 588 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: McCartney was holidaying in Bali when his life changed forever. 589 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: It was two thousand and two and a terrorist attack 590 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: took place in the bar where he was spending the 591 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: night with his friends. The physical and psychological toll was immense, 592 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: not only for Jason but his loved ones too. 593 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 7: And that evening I remember with my team mate Mick 594 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 7: Martin being in the room, was staying at the Hard 595 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 7: Rock Hotel, and we'll both looking at each other thinking, 596 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 7: I don't know if we can actually go out for 597 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 7: dinner and go out to not and we knew were 598 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 7: meeting some friends from Perce, so we did go out 599 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 7: for dinner in Couder and then after that obviously went 600 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 7: across we went to Patty's Bar. We were sort of 601 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 7: making our way to the Sari Club, but just there 602 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 7: was really early and I thought, it's we're not even 603 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 7: going to be able to hear each other talking in there. 604 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 7: So we'll go across the road of Patty's Bar and 605 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 7: look the rest is history running there probably fifteen minutes 606 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 7: and that was the first of three or four blasts 607 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 7: around that area, and that was the suicide bomber in 608 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 7: the bar where we were at Paddy's Bar. 609 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: So you walk into to Paddy's Bar, you're with Mick, 610 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: you're with two other colleagues. It's just a normal nightmare 611 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: you can never preempt. Or was something out of place? 612 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 2: Did you know? 613 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: Did you get a gut feeling? Was there anything that 614 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: was out of place? Was there anything you know that 615 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: you look back on now and think that you know, 616 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: when you look back. 617 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 4: On things, you go that was a bit sussle, not 618 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 4: or not or. 619 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 7: You just had it wasn't the only thing that was 620 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 7: Like I looked at Mick and I spoke to Mick. 621 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 7: It was quite amusing. There was a there was a 622 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 7: group of guys behind us, and they had the Hawaiian 623 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 7: shirts on. They had an ironing board pretending our surfing 624 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 7: and sort of a wink and a nod between Mick 625 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 7: and I because that was us last week. So these 626 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 7: guys are on a trip and having a having away 627 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 7: of a time. 628 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 2: And then, like I said. 629 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 4: From you, you were recovering from the trip, a. 630 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 2: Couple of beers and we're out of here. 631 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 7: But it was then obviously the explosion itself, and then 632 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 7: it was like everything's racing through your mind, and instantly 633 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 7: for me, I thought, instantly, I thought firecrackers, and maybe 634 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 7: those guys had firecrackers and accidentally that was one that 635 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 7: accidentally went off or something. 636 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: So take me back, Jason, to that moment where you 637 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: where you the firecracker moment. Yeah, take me back to 638 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: when you knew that something was going on, necessarily that 639 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: you're blown up like you were, you knew something that 640 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: you just mentioned. 641 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 7: It was it was a split second, like you look 642 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 7: at these guys, you're having a chat, and then this explosion, 643 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 7: which I've never heard anything that loud, so I was 644 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 7: perforated your drums instantly, and it was it was just 645 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 7: this fireball and it was all split second reaction. Thankfully, 646 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 7: I was quickly able to turn, so it cop hit 647 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 7: me right in the middle of the back. Now, I 648 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 7: played AFL footy for over twelve years and it's a 649 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 7: physical game body contact. You get hit, you get hit hard, 650 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 7: but nothing ever to that force. So I was just 651 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 7: very fortunate I was had to pick myself up. But 652 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 7: what it was, everything got in the back. Yeah, everything's 653 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 7: racing through your mind. And at first it was like 654 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 7: I said, it was, I was this firecrackers if I've 655 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 7: been shot, because it was just sizzle of the fireball. 656 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 7: But what I realized is I was lucky. I was 657 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 7: able to pick myself up off the ground. But the 658 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 7: panic set in for me because I couldn't see, like 659 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 7: the sheer brightness of the explosion, I couldn't up my eyes. 660 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 2: I thought I was blinded. Now it felt like. 661 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 7: Minutes, but it was only seconds, and the vision did return, 662 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 7: and then I realized the building's on fine. I remember 663 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 7: looking at my left shoulder and I could see the 664 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 7: flames roaring up my t shirt and I was on fire. 665 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 7: So it was quickly ripped my top off and then 666 00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 7: it was just it was an absolute blur. Like I 667 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 7: reached across, I knew Mick was standing next to me. 668 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 2: It wasn't him. 669 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 7: There's a group of girls behind us, and two of 670 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 7: them we actually knew from Melbourne. One had done some 671 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 7: part time work at the football club. But I don't 672 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 7: think in that situation if that was your worst enemy, 673 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 7: it wouldn't matter. You're just trying to help. So I 674 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 7: thought it was Mick. It didn't happen to be. It 675 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 7: happened to be one of the girls. And we were 676 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 7: very lucky because from where where the explosion took place, 677 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 7: and I didn't at the time. We're only five minutes 678 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 7: from where it took place, so we had probably a 679 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 7: distance of twenty meters together building, and I look back 680 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 7: now and I just think how fortunate I was to 681 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 7: have someone else. We were able to aid each other 682 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 7: and guide to try and get out that building. Now 683 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 7: I remember, I just thought, once again, it's like yesterday. 684 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 7: Sometimes I thought, oh, Jason, how clumsy got tripped over. 685 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 7: But the clumsiness, yes, because we couldn't see because of 686 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 7: the darkness, and just the building was a blaze and 687 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 7: tumbling down, but we couldn't actually hear because of the 688 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 7: perforated drums. The coordinated attack was the suicide bomber where 689 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 7: we were, and then within minutes there's a car bomb 690 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 7: twenty meters up the road out in the front of. 691 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 2: The Sari club. 692 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 7: So suicide bomb CAUs as much devastation as possible and carnage, 693 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 7: but flush everyone out on the street. 694 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 2: And then there's a car bomb. 695 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 7: So in our desperation to get that building, the second 696 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 7: blast just blasted us off our feet back into to 697 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 7: where we're trying to escape from. 698 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 4: So you got hit twice. 699 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: So first of all, and I think people don't appreciate 700 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: just the like you said, the perforated ear drums, the 701 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: vision that the brightness of that knocking you off your feet. 702 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: That alone, then you're on fire, right, there's there's so 703 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: many different that's why you know. You're you're disorientated, you 704 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: can't make a decision, so you're and this happens in seconds. 705 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah. 706 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: And then you're crawling out of basically out of this 707 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: spar and you get blown back into the bar from. 708 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 4: A car bomb. Yeah, yeah, just going through your head, the. 709 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 2: Force of it. But at a time we didn't know that. 710 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 7: We just didn't know about the Sari club, didn't know 711 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 7: about the car bomb even at that. 712 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 4: So what's going for your head? 713 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 2: Do you do? 714 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 4: You try and compute what the hell is happening? 715 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, well what was the early star? Is it? Was? It? 716 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 2: Is it fireworks? Have I been shot? 717 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: No? 718 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 2: This is worse, but I don't know what it is. 719 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 2: And then it's just survival mode. 720 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 4: When you see yourself on fire, do you do? 721 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 2: You do? 722 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,439 Speaker 4: You think it could have been a gas explosion? Could 723 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 4: have been Well that's. 724 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 7: What we got told when we got to the a 725 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 7: bit later on, when we got to the hospital that night, 726 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 7: was to keep everyone calm that this could have been 727 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 7: a gas explosion. But yeah, it was like I remember 728 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 7: getting out the front the person I was with were 729 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 7: aiding each other that couldn't find them. And then I'm 730 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 7: just for a moment just looking at this building. It's 731 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 7: a blazing tumbling down. And my first thoughts with my 732 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 7: teammate Mick and my two friends were my great mate 733 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 7: from Perth, Peter Hughes and his friend Gary Nash, and 734 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,919 Speaker 7: I thought, my goodness, I'm never going to see them again. 735 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 2: They're in there. 736 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 7: And then once again it was only moment and Mick 737 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 7: appeared from the smoke and rubble, and it was so 738 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 7: random because he's standing right next to me. Now he 739 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 7: had some minor weltz from the burns, and he had 740 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 7: the button up shirt and the buttons had been blown off, 741 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 7: but minimal physical injuries for him, And really his leadership 742 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,439 Speaker 7: and direction played a critical role at that point in time, 743 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 7: because obviously I could see my hands have been badly 744 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 7: burnt and there was soot and there was blood, but 745 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 7: that sort of melted away, and I knew it was 746 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 7: in pain in my back and my legs, but obviously 747 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 7: being so close to that suicide bomber, the makeup of 748 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 7: the blast and then obviously what it picks up in 749 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 7: its wake, being in a bar, which is glass and metal. 750 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 7: It's the explosion, but then the strap the wounds, and 751 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 7: I had strapped plan bettered in my lower back of 752 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 7: legs and I had a decent hole blown in my 753 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 7: left half. But Mick, he just he had the perforre 754 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 7: out of your drums as well. But he dragged me 755 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 7: up the road and he's trying to get transport to 756 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 7: get out of there. Now it's hard enough to get 757 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 7: transport in around that area Cuda at the best of times, 758 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 7: but after what had transpire, you were never going to 759 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 7: get it in a vehicle. So he dragged me further 760 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 7: up the road and he just grabbed a motorcyclist on 761 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,919 Speaker 7: a maped bal and as guy and he just threw 762 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 7: me on the back and he said get him to 763 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 7: the hard Rock Hotel. And true to his word, Mick 764 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 7: just jumped on the next bike behind me. So that's 765 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 7: how he got me out of there. 766 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: Now. 767 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 7: Now most people would think, hang on, you've been caught 768 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,760 Speaker 7: up in an explosion. You're heading back to the hotel. 769 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 7: But it was a master strope because ten years I've 770 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,479 Speaker 7: been traveling there, I think Mick probably over six years, 771 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 7: never been to a hospital, didn't. 772 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 2: Know where one was. 773 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 7: But what he knew and what I knew is the 774 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 7: hotel there's always a doctor on duty. So that got 775 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 7: us out of there pretty quickly. Back to the hard 776 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 7: Rock Hotel, we put a shutter through the spine. I 777 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 7: think of everyone there at center stage at the hard 778 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 7: Rock Hotel, there's generally a band playing, and I think. 779 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 2: Most had sort of heard an explosion but not knowing 780 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 2: what it was. 781 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 7: But then when Mick sort of drags me in and 782 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 7: I'm pretty well banged up, and he's a bit rugged 783 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 7: as well, just chaotic panic scenes for everyone there. 784 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 4: For us, still kind are you falling in and out 785 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 4: of consciousness? 786 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 2: Was all right now? Right there? All right? Yeah? 787 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 4: But you can remember everything? 788 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, I can't remember anything. I can't remember the pain 789 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 7: because obviously the shock takes over. 790 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, the adrenaline. 791 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, But having that doctor there assessed very quickly, and 792 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 7: then we're a foot like I'm You're unfortunate to be 793 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 7: in that situation. But from the moment it happened, I'm 794 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 7: just extremely lucky every moment beyond. 795 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 2: That because I was able to make it out there. Mick. 796 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 7: I don't know where I would have went if I 797 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 7: was left to my own devices, but Mick gets me 798 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 7: the hotel. The doctor on Judy assessed quickly and then 799 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 7: they laid us in the back of a van and 800 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 7: they took us. It was about a twenty five minute trip, 801 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 7: which I do remember the Paine there because I felt 802 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 7: every bump, but they said it was an ambulance. 803 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 2: Kind of was. But I'm in the back and I'm sliding. 804 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 7: Around side to side, and obviously the burns it's it's 805 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 7: pretty uncomfortable when you're hitting the sides of the back 806 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 7: of that van. But again we got to the Sanglar 807 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 7: Hospital in Denpasar, which is a local hospital, and again 808 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 7: we got there quickly. So all I remember is going 809 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 7: into this emergency ward and there's probably only fifteen or 810 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 7: twenty people there. I can see a little bit of 811 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 7: what's around me, but I was in a bad way 812 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,439 Speaker 7: by then, body going in and out of shock, mix 813 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 7: standing over me with the doctor so much comfort and 814 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 7: support and reassurance. But probably in a space of forty 815 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 7: five minutes an hour that swelled do over two hundred 816 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 7: and there's just so much carnage coming in. But I 817 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 7: could say a little bit, but I was because of 818 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 7: going in shock. 819 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 2: I was protected. 820 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 7: But once again for the people in there trying to 821 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 7: help us and Mick who didn't have the physical injuries 822 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 7: I sustained, but there's no doubt with what he witnessed, 823 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,720 Speaker 7: the mental scars for him cut far, far deeper because 824 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 7: unfortunately he had the witness. 825 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,319 Speaker 1: Witness was coming in, Yeah, and he was taking care 826 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: of it because he was not as physically injured as you. Obviously, 827 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: the leadership from any sort of you know, elite sportsman athlete, 828 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: you know, but it does kick in those times of need, 829 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: which is well, you know, which is a lifesaver I believe, 830 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: but also yeah, the adrenaline that keeps you going, you know, 831 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 1: especially when you look at your teammate or you look 832 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: at your comrade to your left in it's like right, 833 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: you know, especially if they're in a worse way than 834 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 1: you are. 835 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 4: Something kicks in and I've been there. 836 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: I've been there on the battlefield as well, so you're 837 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: you're the first ones to the Yeah, there would have hospital. 838 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 7: From what I remember, there was only like fifteen or 839 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 7: twenty people there, So once again we're lucky to get 840 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 7: medical attention and then that hospital pretty quickly. Albeit what 841 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 7: I know now it's that did an amazing job there. 842 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 4: Thanks so much for joining me on head game. I'm 843 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,359 Speaker 4: ad Middleton. Catch you again next time.