WEBVTT - Sharri | 21 May

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<v Speaker 1>Good evening.

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<v Speaker 2>We're coming up tonight exclusive new details about the scandal

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<v Speaker 2>at the Nine network, with fresh allegations about a Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>party incident involving their top news chief. This as the

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<v Speaker 2>company is accused of a major cover up, plus the

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<v Speaker 2>bizarre push to ban groups of men. But first tonight

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<v Speaker 2>to the International Criminal Courts disgraceful decision that Israeli Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister Benjaminette and Yahoo should be arrested alongside the hamas terrorists.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a ruling that's a perverse in its logic, that

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<v Speaker 2>reeks of ideology, not facts, and that punishes Israel for

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<v Speaker 2>daring to defend itself. Such a morally corrupt decision that

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<v Speaker 2>yet again wages war on the Jewish homeland at the

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<v Speaker 2>very time it's under siege from Iran, has Below and Hermas,

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<v Speaker 2>when it's still fighting to bring its stolen children, even

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<v Speaker 2>babies home from rapists and barbarians in dark tunnels. The

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<v Speaker 2>ICC also fans the flames of anti Semitism by promoting

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<v Speaker 2>false claims that Israel is starving Palestinians and deliberately targeting

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<v Speaker 2>civilians when the facts show that the opposite is true.

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<v Speaker 1>As I'll explain in a.

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<v Speaker 2>Minute, Well, who was there to sell this appalling judgment,

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<v Speaker 2>but celebrities like Amaal Clooney. The decision is a clear disgrace.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea that you could equate Hermas's barbaric atrocities with

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<v Speaker 2>Netanyahu defending Jewish citizens from terrorists, well, it confuses reason

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<v Speaker 2>and it confuses what's right and wrong. Joe Biden's administration

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<v Speaker 2>strongly and unequivocally denounced the ICC's ruling. Biden himself called

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<v Speaker 2>it outrage and he said, there's no equivalence between Israel

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<v Speaker 2>and Hamas.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me be clear, we reject the ICC's application for

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<v Speaker 3>rest warrants against a Walla Adia, so when one of

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<v Speaker 3>these warrants may imply there is no equivalence between Israel

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<v Speaker 3>and Hamas.

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<v Speaker 2>Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln described the ICC decision as shameful,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said in a statement that Hamas is a

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<v Speaker 2>brutal terrorist organization that carried out the worst massacre of

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<v Speaker 2>Jews since the Holocaust. So Joe Biden said it's outrageous.

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Blincoln said it's shameful, and there were similar statements

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<v Speaker 2>from the UK, Germany, Austria and other countries around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>But Anthony Albanesi nothing, no spine, no morals, no courage.

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<v Speaker 2>Just like with the vote at the United Nations, Albinizi

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<v Speaker 2>was yet again at odds with how our closest ally

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, and once again our prime minister was pathetic,

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<v Speaker 2>alb and easy deflected questions, showing no intellect, no moral compass,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was only outmatched in his ignorance by Chris Bowen.

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<v Speaker 4>You are put in Joey Biden seeing your restlance on

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<v Speaker 4>this relatives is outrageous.

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<v Speaker 5>You agree, well, I don't comment on court processes in Australia.

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<v Speaker 6>Let a line court processes globally, which Australia is not

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<v Speaker 6>a party.

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<v Speaker 4>Highly irresponsible, but by Peter Dutton to drag this through

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<v Speaker 4>a domestic political debate. We respect the work of the

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<v Speaker 4>International Criminal Court. International law must always be observed and

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<v Speaker 4>nobody gets a free pass from that.

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<v Speaker 2>How sad it is for all of us that this

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<v Speaker 2>is the leadership we have in Australia during this crisis. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the Coalition called out Albanese's pathetic, weak lack of leadership.

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<v Speaker 7>It's an abomination and it needs to be ceized. This

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<v Speaker 7>action is anti Semitic and it is against the interests

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<v Speaker 7>of peace in the Middle East. Either the prominence is

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<v Speaker 7>not across the detail, or he's trying to please a

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<v Speaker 7>domestic audience here for political purposes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, now let's look at the reasons why the ICC

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<v Speaker 2>decision is wrong. In an exceptional Wall Street Journal editorial,

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<v Speaker 2>the board rights that the International Criminal Court has lost

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<v Speaker 2>sight of the crucial distinction between the death squad and

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<v Speaker 2>the bomber pilot. They say that the ruling is a

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<v Speaker 2>subordination of the law in pursuit of Israel. They write

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<v Speaker 2>that on one side are are israel It's democratic leaders

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<v Speaker 2>waging a war to reclaim hostages.

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<v Speaker 1>And root out terrorists in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>On the other side is HERMAS, which precipitated the war

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<v Speaker 2>with its mass murder, rape and kidnapping on October seven,

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<v Speaker 2>and whose officials pledged to do it again and again.

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<v Speaker 2>Lumping them together is a slander for the history books,

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<v Speaker 2>they write. Imagine some international body prosecuting tojo and Roosevelt

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<v Speaker 2>or Hitler and Churchill amid World War II. And on

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<v Speaker 2>the claims of starvation, the Wall Street Journal responds that

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<v Speaker 2>Hermas lists thirty one Gazans who it claims died of

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<v Speaker 2>malnutrition or starvation. They say Israel has facilitated the entry

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<v Speaker 2>of over five hundred and forty two thousand tons of

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<v Speaker 2>AID and over twenty eight thousand AID trucks in an

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<v Speaker 2>unprecedented effort to supply an enemy civilians, even while her

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<v Speaker 2>Musk steals the aid and tries to frustrate the delivery.

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<v Speaker 2>Israel has begged Egypt for two weeks to let in

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<v Speaker 2>aid at Ratha, while Egypt refuses. Is this the behavior

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<v Speaker 2>of an Israeli government bent on starving Ghazans?

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously it's not.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The Times in the UK also reports that it is

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas that's been obstructing delivery of aid and stealing supplies

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<v Speaker 2>for its own use and also to sell on the

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<v Speaker 2>black market at inflated prices. And The Times reports that defensively,

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<v Speaker 2>the prosecutor Khan says he has consulted an impartial panel,

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<v Speaker 2>yet it is stuffed with radical.

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<v Speaker 1>Human rights lawyers who are no friends of Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>This impartial panel is actually a hanging jury from the

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<v Speaker 2>Salem School of Law. Verdict first evidence Nowhere, they write,

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<v Speaker 2>the Khan's preposterous move is part of the agenda for

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<v Speaker 2>Israel's destruction through a pincer movement of genocide or terror,

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<v Speaker 2>brainwashed street insurrection and human rights law fare, and the

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<v Speaker 2>beneficiary will only be humus. The victims will be Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>the rule of law and civilization itself. It's a truly

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<v Speaker 2>terrific peace. And the Time says correctly that this ruling

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<v Speaker 2>has destroyed what was left.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the ICC's credibility.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, the claim by the ICC that Israel is deliberately

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<v Speaker 2>targeting civilians simply isn't supported by evidence. No government engaging

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<v Speaker 2>in war has done more to protect civilian life. Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>soldiers have even stayed on the phone to residence waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for them to get out of apartment buildings before an attack.

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<v Speaker 2>Israel is treating wounded Palestinians in their own hospitals, and

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli soldiers drop leaflets and flyers in Arabic asking civilians

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<v Speaker 2>to evacuate before going into an area, even though this

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<v Speaker 2>means they lose the advantage of a surprise attack. The

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<v Speaker 2>death toll figures produced by Himas have been so unrealistic

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<v Speaker 2>that even the United Nations was forced to revise.

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<v Speaker 1>Them down by half recently. Half.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you think it's surprising that the ICC ignored

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<v Speaker 2>all of this evidence. It's because they didn't set foot

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<v Speaker 2>on the ground in Israel, there was no proper investigation, and.

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<v Speaker 1>They've been accused of ignoring due process.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a political, ideological, and quite frankly racist ruling

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<v Speaker 2>that does not reflect reality. Right Tonight's panel joins me

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<v Speaker 2>now former Speaker of the House Bronwin Bishop and Sky

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<v Speaker 2>News host James Morrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you both for joining me. Runwin, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>make of the ICC decision?

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<v Speaker 2>But also, perhaps more importantly for all of us, Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Alberanesi's response.

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<v Speaker 8>Anthony Albernesi's response is predictable. He's a man with no morals.

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<v Speaker 8>As he said, he's weak, he's pathetic, he remains albo

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<v Speaker 8>the trot. Hasn't changed his views since he was a

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<v Speaker 8>university student and a demonstrated a university. But as for

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<v Speaker 8>the ICC, when it came up in two thousand and two,

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<v Speaker 8>as to whether Australia should sign this treaty, I fought

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<v Speaker 8>it tooth and nail. I fought it with every fiber

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<v Speaker 8>in my body because I knew it would be a

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<v Speaker 8>political court, if the people appointed to it would not

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<v Speaker 8>be proper, would not give justice, and I fought hard

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<v Speaker 8>against Alexander Danna and and it was all for it.

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<v Speaker 8>I see today. It broke his heart to see it

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<v Speaker 8>such a mess, But it broke my heart when we

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<v Speaker 8>signed on because it was predictable. There is a provision

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<v Speaker 8>in that for us, for Australia, we can give twelve

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<v Speaker 8>months notice.

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<v Speaker 1>And get out of it.

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<v Speaker 8>And we should immediately give that notice and get out

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<v Speaker 8>of it the way that has been brought down in

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<v Speaker 8>your editorial. You explained it chapter and verse. But you've

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<v Speaker 8>got a partisan prosecutor who clearly isn't on the side

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<v Speaker 8>of Israel, and it is clearly on the side of Amas.

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<v Speaker 8>So we've got to see justice and give notice to

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<v Speaker 8>get out of the ICC.

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<v Speaker 2>James Morrow, you know you cover federal politics for the

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<v Speaker 2>Daily Telegraph as.

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<v Speaker 1>Well as for Sky News.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think of Anthony Albinezi here? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it would have been the most easy statement in the

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<v Speaker 2>world to say, no cot in the land can possibly

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<v Speaker 2>draw an equivalents between Hamas and Israel. How couldn't he

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<v Speaker 2>even come to articulate such a basic statement.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I mean, there's a few things to unpack here.

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<v Speaker 9>Number one, of course, is that this is just indicative

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<v Speaker 9>of the latest way in which Albinizi is trying to

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<v Speaker 9>have it both ways when it comes to Israel. You know,

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<v Speaker 9>one day he's saying, oh, no, no, we can't have

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<v Speaker 9>anybody saying the river to the sea and all of

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<v Speaker 9>that stuff. Another day he's saying, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 9>condemn the ICC for their obviously biased ruling on this,

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<v Speaker 9>And Sherry, I think there's more to this that we

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<v Speaker 9>also need to understand. This is part of a concerted

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<v Speaker 9>international effort, not even just about Israel, but specifically about

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<v Speaker 9>the government of Benjamin itt Yahoo. You know, Joe Biden said, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 9>I don't accept this ruling. It's not really he didn't

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<v Speaker 9>agree with it. But at the same time, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>you can feel behind the scenes that this is part

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<v Speaker 9>of a broader push to delegitimize the net Yahoo government

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<v Speaker 9>and pressure him out. Because the thing that Biden doesn't want,

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<v Speaker 9>and the thing that the international left doesn't want, is

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<v Speaker 9>for bb to be successful in prosecuting his war against

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<v Speaker 9>Hamas and eliminating Hamas, because that then destroys the entire

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<v Speaker 9>sort of foreign policy that they have, which is about

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<v Speaker 9>empowering Iran as a regional power through its proxies.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a very interesting take.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree that there's been a lot of international pressure

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<v Speaker 2>on the Netin Yahu government. I think they see him

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<v Speaker 2>as this kind of Trump like figure, when in fact

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<v Speaker 2>Israel is a democracy it should be entitled to have

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<v Speaker 2>its elections. He is divisive within Israel, but it's a democracy.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to respect the decisions they make. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't confuse not supporting netin Yahoo, and many people.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't with not supporting Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to support Israel even if you don't like

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<v Speaker 2>the current prime minister. We all support Australia, even if

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<v Speaker 2>many of you watching at home might not like so

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<v Speaker 2>much our current prime minister. Speaking of which, the Albert

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<v Speaker 2>Eezy government has been in office for two years now

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<v Speaker 2>and most would be wondering what is the verdict?

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<v Speaker 1>Two years on? What do they have to show for it?

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen the failed Voice referendum, there's a cost of

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<v Speaker 2>living crisis, a detainee and migration nightmare. More recently, a

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<v Speaker 2>controversial budget and steadily declining holes Runman. Two years on,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you think Elbow's gone?

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<v Speaker 1>What would you give his prime ministership so far?

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<v Speaker 8>One and a half serious surprise that's that high. Seriously,

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, ask yourself the question, are you better off

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<v Speaker 8>or worse off than you were two years ago. We've

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<v Speaker 8>seen twelve interstrate hikes. We've seen a huge jump in

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<v Speaker 8>immigration levels, which has caused enormous pressure on housing for Australians.

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<v Speaker 8>We have seen the cost of living, which he promised

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<v Speaker 8>to bring down through the roof you're seeing today, Telster,

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<v Speaker 8>it's going to sack nearly three thousand people. That is

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<v Speaker 8>the first telling of how bad things really are.

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<v Speaker 9>Now.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, we talked about Albanesi and his weakness with

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<v Speaker 8>regard to the ICC ruling, and I think I said

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<v Speaker 8>that the ICC prosecutor was on her Massa's side. I

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<v Speaker 8>meant to say, he's really on the side of the

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<v Speaker 8>Palasidenian side. I don't know about hermas.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do know, yes, I noticed you said that.

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<v Speaker 2>But in equating Israel with her mask that is furthering there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes it is.

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<v Speaker 8>And for Albanesi not to speak out, not to speak

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<v Speaker 8>out and say that there is no moral equivalence, and

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<v Speaker 8>to simply think, oh, I do desperately need this pile

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<v Speaker 8>of voters who won't vote for me if I say

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<v Speaker 8>nice things about Israel. It is just pathetic and there

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<v Speaker 8>are at least a dozen things you could say about

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<v Speaker 8>why we're worse off and when the voter comes to

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<v Speaker 8>think of it, it is this insane drive for so

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<v Speaker 8>called renewable power. When Aimo comes out today and said,

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<v Speaker 8>we're never going to make We're going out.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to but we're going to get to the

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<v Speaker 2>blackouts in a moment. But James, you know, as a

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<v Speaker 2>political reporter, you follow all of this closely. How do

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<v Speaker 2>you judge the first two years of the alban Easy

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<v Speaker 2>government and.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your view on whether they could go to an

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<v Speaker 1>early election.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, look, I mean maybe it'll be a tiny bit

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<v Speaker 9>more generous than Bram and Megham a c you know,

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<v Speaker 9>just to be nice. But the thing is that what

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<v Speaker 9>we have seen in the last couple of years has

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<v Speaker 9>really been just a dramatic decline in Australian's stands of livings,

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<v Speaker 9>our fortunes here. You know, our real GDP is down

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<v Speaker 9>per person. We're in a per capita recession. A lot

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<v Speaker 9>of that is due to the fact that, as Brodwin mentions,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, high immigration levels mean that we can have

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<v Speaker 9>more economic activity that hides that it's a sugar hit.

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<v Speaker 9>But of course, you know the cost of social hithesion, infrastructure,

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<v Speaker 9>everything else massive. You know, our living standards, our household

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<v Speaker 9>income all backwards on his watch. And the thing that

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<v Speaker 9>I'm really concerned about, you know, people talked about this

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<v Speaker 9>budget that just got handed down last week is kind

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<v Speaker 9>of big nothing, but in a lot of ways too,

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<v Speaker 9>it sets some really worrisome precedents. You know, it really

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<v Speaker 9>fully undoes all of the hawk Keating Howard reforms, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>and instead sets up the government as again this sort

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<v Speaker 9>of intermediating force between big business, big unions and big government.

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<v Speaker 9>Government spending of course now expanding to twenty six or

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<v Speaker 9>more percent of GDP, which is insane, and at the

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<v Speaker 9>same time, you know, now deciding to direct capital where

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<v Speaker 9>it's going to go, you know, money to millionaires for

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<v Speaker 9>green hydrogen. This this future brand in Australia stuff which

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<v Speaker 9>is complete nonsense industry policy. I mean, somebody had the

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<v Speaker 9>comment today they said, you know, what's decks, We're going

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<v Speaker 9>to resubsidize holding in Kodeact come back and it just

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<v Speaker 9>it doesn't make any sense. But it shows the ethic

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<v Speaker 9>of this government is all about growing government and growing

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<v Speaker 9>the role of government in the economy and in people's lives.

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<v Speaker 9>And the thing I'm really worried about, Sherry, is that

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<v Speaker 9>as we go forward, this is going to continue to

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<v Speaker 9>make us poorer relative to a where we were, but

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<v Speaker 9>also poorer relative to other countries that we're competing against.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, it's a very controversial policy the future

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<v Speaker 2>made in Australia. Like you, I don't know why the

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<v Speaker 2>government has to subsidize industries and pick companies to invest in,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when venture capital gets it wrong so often.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Treasurer does argue that in fact he is

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<v Speaker 2>being reformists like the hot Keating era. He says, creating

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<v Speaker 2>an entire new green industry is being a reforming government.

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<v Speaker 2>Now let's turn to an exclusive that James Murray that

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<v Speaker 2>you broke today in the Daily Telegraph that more than

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<v Speaker 2>sixty thousand of the eighty thousand failed asylum seekers are

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<v Speaker 2>still somehow in Australia and allowed to work or study.

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<v Speaker 2>And you report that only seventeen of these people who

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<v Speaker 2>claim to be refugees but were found not to be

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<v Speaker 2>have actually been removed either voluntary or involuntarily over the

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<v Speaker 2>past two months. Ron when look how is this the

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<v Speaker 2>case that people are found not to be genuine asylum

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<v Speaker 2>seekers but they're allowed to still work and study here.

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<v Speaker 8>Of course this is the policy of this left wing government.

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<v Speaker 8>They want them to stay, They want them to become

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<v Speaker 8>voters because they think that'll entrench them in the government

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<v Speaker 8>that they wish to change Australia. The statement the Keyping

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<v Speaker 8>once made that you change the government, you changed the

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<v Speaker 8>country is quite right. And this snake charmer of the

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<v Speaker 8>Treasurer who's trying to bring about a reinvented capitalism I

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<v Speaker 8>think you said it was, really has no idea of

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<v Speaker 8>the damage he's doing. I don't think his doctorate is

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<v Speaker 8>in I studied eating. I mean, it's pathetic the ir

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<v Speaker 8>laws that come in on the twenty sixth of August,

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<v Speaker 8>which are going to hit industry, like you have no

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<v Speaker 8>idea how bad they are. I've taken a look at

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<v Speaker 8>them because to keep a current practicing certificate I have

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<v Speaker 8>to go and do a course and do my ten points.

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<v Speaker 8>So I chose I. Ah, it's horrendous and it hits

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<v Speaker 8>on the twenty sixth of August.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good to know you're still studying, Bradwan James.

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<v Speaker 2>We're nearly out of time, but I've got to quickly

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<v Speaker 2>go to you because this was your big story today.

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<v Speaker 1>Well tell us about it. What's the government's excuse for this?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, you know, they just say that they blame everything

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<v Speaker 9>on you know, the system that they inherited and so

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<v Speaker 9>on and so forth. But they're not doing anything really

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<v Speaker 9>to fix this huge situation. We're talking eighty thousand people

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<v Speaker 9>have had their applications rejected. Most of these come from

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<v Speaker 9>people who come from countries, you know, like India is

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<v Speaker 9>one of the top sources of these applications. When you know,

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<v Speaker 9>nobody is really found to be a genuine refugee from there.

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<v Speaker 9>It's a democracy, there are allies. It's just a nonsense.

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<v Speaker 9>We have so many students who then convert their student

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<v Speaker 9>visas to asylum visas, and then once they've got that,

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<v Speaker 9>they can stay for ten years while the process plays out.

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<v Speaker 9>They establish a life here and they never get kicked out.

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<v Speaker 9>The entire refugee system is broken because it's destroying the

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<v Speaker 9>chances of people who are genuine refugees to get a

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<v Speaker 9>quick decision, and so many people are abusing it. It's

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<v Speaker 9>a real shame and it needs to be fixed.

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<v Speaker 2>I think yeah, all right, James ma Bron and Bishop Broun.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say, you give the government one and

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<v Speaker 2>a half out of ten and yet they're still probably

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<v Speaker 2>going to be re elected.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's what we're that's the reality. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>we're looking on.

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<v Speaker 8>Trusting that won't o good.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we'll see, Thank you Bright so much for

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<v Speaker 1>your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Now still to come, fresh revelations about the departure of

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<v Speaker 2>the top news trief at Channel nine and the network's

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<v Speaker 2>attempt to cover it up, plus the fallout from the budget.

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<v Speaker 1>Continue use as voters reveal what they'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Be spending Charmers energy rebate on that's all coming up next,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 9>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of Channel nine's biggest.

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<v Speaker 2>Stars are speaking about the blokey culture of working under

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<v Speaker 2>former legendary news guru Darren Wick and their concern that

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<v Speaker 2>his conduct is now being swept under the carpet. The

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<v Speaker 2>nine network stands accused of covering up allegations that it's

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<v Speaker 2>former director of News and Current Affairs behaved inappropriately towards

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<v Speaker 2>women on several occasions, with claims nine is even using

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<v Speaker 2>non disclosure agreements to keep this scandal secret. There are

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<v Speaker 2>several allegations of inappropriate behavior involving Wick.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the years, yet he kept his job.

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<v Speaker 2>This included an alleged incident at the Logis after party

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<v Speaker 2>on the Gold Coast in twenty nineteen. Channel nine stars

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<v Speaker 2>have also spoken to me today about another incident at

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<v Speaker 2>a network Christmas party where Wick was described as hansy.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the talk of the newsroom afterwards, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was put down to the television boss having had too

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<v Speaker 2>much to drink.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet Wick was given a warm send.

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<v Speaker 2>Off when he left the network on March fifteen, with

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<v Speaker 2>glowing remarks from some executives. Well nine staff was shocked

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<v Speaker 2>to see him back in the newsroom on April twenty fourth.

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<v Speaker 1>Several women told us.

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<v Speaker 2>Today they felt uncomfortable as he walked around the newsroom

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<v Speaker 2>for a large part of the day. Well of the

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<v Speaker 2>culture at Channel nine under Darren Wick, one Channel nine

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<v Speaker 2>star told me and I quote, it was really just

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<v Speaker 2>the norm. He would get very drunk and the next

0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:55.359
<v Speaker 2>day in the newsroom all the girls would swap stories

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<v Speaker 2>in the ways in which he would be inappropriate towards them.

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<v Speaker 1>Environment was very toxic.

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<v Speaker 2>Women constantly felt pitted against each other and you felt

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<v Speaker 2>like you were on eggshells all the time. Another woman

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<v Speaker 2>said there were concerns about his behavior because he manipulated

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<v Speaker 2>young women and undermined senior women.

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<v Speaker 8>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Another employee said nine Corporate Affairs is very defensive of him.

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<v Speaker 2>As I exclusively revealed last night, a female employee in

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<v Speaker 2>the television news division made a recent complaint about an

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<v Speaker 2>alleged incident involving Darren Wick that occurred some years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>An external legal firm were brought in to investigate while

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<v Speaker 2>Wick remained on leave.

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<v Speaker 1>While the firm did not.

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<v Speaker 2>Substantiate the claims, the decision was made at the highest

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<v Speaker 2>levels to let him go given his alleged pattern of behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>But now there's unrest inside Channel nine. Employees are accusing

0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:05.200
<v Speaker 2>the board of a cover up. The board knew about

0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:10.680
<v Speaker 2>the complaint, yet there's been no transparency. There are questions

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<v Speaker 2>now being asked also about wicks severance package, how large

0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:18.600
<v Speaker 2>it was and how does it compare to how the

0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:22.879
<v Speaker 2>female employee who made the complaint or how she was

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<v Speaker 2>treated Handling the fallout of all of this is Wick's

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<v Speaker 2>long term friend, Victoria Buckan, the head.

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<v Speaker 1>Of nine's corporate affairs. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The Daily Telegraph has also covered this story tomorrow. The

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<v Speaker 2>editor Ben English has sent me the front page. This

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be the front page of the Daily

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<v Speaker 2>Telegraph tomorrow. As you can see there, Darren Wick is

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<v Speaker 2>on the front page. TV stars unload on departing newsboss.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the headline and I can read you at least

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<v Speaker 2>one comment from this story that's been written by journalist

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<v Speaker 2>Jonathan Morray. One of the women who spoke to Jonathan Moran,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the television stars, said that he Darren Wick

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<v Speaker 2>has been very divisive.

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<v Speaker 1>It has been.

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<v Speaker 2>Difficult for women to work with and under him. They've

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<v Speaker 2>not been happy. At one stage we were calling him

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<v Speaker 2>a cockroach and saying he's impossible to metaphorically kill.

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<v Speaker 1>The metaphoricles in bracket so he was impossible to kill.

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<v Speaker 1>Calling him a cockroach.

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<v Speaker 2>One television star said he was just someone we had

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<v Speaker 2>to work around in our professional lives.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's in the Daily Telegraph tomorrow as well. Were

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<v Speaker 1>the Australians.

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<v Speaker 2>Media writer Sophie Ellsworth has also been following this story

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<v Speaker 2>and she joins me now from Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 1>Sophie, thank you so.

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<v Speaker 2>Much for your time. What can you tell us about

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<v Speaker 2>what the board knew about this fresh complaint? That led

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<v Speaker 2>to Darren Wick's departure.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, Sharry, the board knew there was a complaint regarding

0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:03.000
<v Speaker 10>inappropriate conduct by Wick towards a female staff member, and

0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:06.600
<v Speaker 10>it was discussed among them. And just to remind you,

0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:09.800
<v Speaker 10>as Sharry, this is the most These are the most

0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:12.880
<v Speaker 10>senior people at nine. The board at nine is chaired

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<v Speaker 10>by Peter Costello and it includes members of the Liking

0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:21.280
<v Speaker 10>of nine Entertainment CEO Mike Sneezeby. Now it's understood the

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:26.000
<v Speaker 10>matter has gone also to nine's human resources department, and

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<v Speaker 10>this was all prior to Wick's departure.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I've spoken to many sources at nine about this issue,

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<v Speaker 2>where employees view it as a very clear cover up

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:39.760
<v Speaker 2>by the board. And this is what people are saying,

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<v Speaker 2>that it's a cover up by the board, that there's

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<v Speaker 2>been no transparency and the issue of non disclosure agreements,

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<v Speaker 2>the use of non disclosure agreements has shocked many.

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<v Speaker 10>What can you tell us about this, Well, yes, there

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<v Speaker 10>are non disclosure agreements involved, and shary when organizedas media

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<v Speaker 10>or otherwise are not transparent, it often leads to further

0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:08.920
<v Speaker 10>problems when information does come to light. Now nine should

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 10>be transparent because we the Australian repeatedly asked the network

0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 10>of wis whereabouts and up until five days before he

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:21.600
<v Speaker 10>announced his resignation in March, we were told Charry that

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<v Speaker 10>there were no discussions about his departure.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 10>I was also told a little as about a fortnight

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<v Speaker 10>before Darren Wick announced he was leaving, that he was

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<v Speaker 10>actually coming back.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just on leave.

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<v Speaker 10>I was told this by Nine And then suddenly about

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<v Speaker 10>six thirty pm on a Friday, the March fifteen, the

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<v Speaker 10>day that the email went out from Channel nine, releasing

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<v Speaker 10>a statement, said he'd quit. Now, Sharry, you and I know,

0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:51.960
<v Speaker 10>when you want a story to be buried and not

0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:54.119
<v Speaker 10>to be covered, you put it out on a Friday

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:57.440
<v Speaker 10>night when all the journalists have signed off, the papers.

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<v Speaker 1>Have been put to bed, and the news bulletins have gone.

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<v Speaker 10>And this timing definitely raised eyebrows.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now do you think nine is being hypocritical here?

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<v Speaker 2>This is another key accusation. At the very same time

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 2>as nine was misleading you about Wick's absence, they were

0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 2>pursuing their commercial rival Channel seven about the scandal that

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:21.480
<v Speaker 2>was at the time unfolding at Spotlight.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yes, it is hypocritical.

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<v Speaker 10>They certainly at nine throw all their resources into chasing

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:37.480
<v Speaker 10>stories involving high profile people, Sharry, whether it's journalists, other networks.

0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Or well known people in the community.

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<v Speaker 10>And as you said this on your show last night,

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<v Speaker 10>so where are the editorial resources at nine Entertainment right

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 10>now being thrown into this? You've got to remind people here, Shary,

0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 10>this is the network's most senior news director and he

0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 10>suddenly left. And in the lead up to mister Wick's departure,

0:28:57.280 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 10>as I have said, there were also many people talking

0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 10>internally about where he was, and we were reporting this

0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:09.080
<v Speaker 10>in The Australian. But then Chari suddenly this email came

0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:12.480
<v Speaker 10>out on a Friday night and he was gone. So

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:16.960
<v Speaker 10>I'm waiting very anxiously or curiously, should I say, for

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 10>nine to follow up both the Australian and Sky and

0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 10>the Daily Telegraph stories on this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well let's see if they do. What about this

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:27.960
<v Speaker 1>issue about the board?

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 2>Do you think this could turn into a major corporate

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 2>issue for nine if the accusations against the board escalate

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 2>and if shareholders start to question why there hasn't been transparency.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it's fair enough, Shari, if they do.

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<v Speaker 10>But time will tell, and I can tell you there

0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:49.440
<v Speaker 10>are plenty people, as you know yourself, talking about this

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 10>situation inside nine at the moment, and there's more questions

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:55.960
<v Speaker 10>that need to be answered on this now. Nine releases

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 10>their financial results in August and they have an AGM

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 10>in November, so there's quite a lot of time between

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 10>now and then, but let's wait and.

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<v Speaker 2>See, all right, Sophie Alsware, thank you so much for

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:09.800
<v Speaker 2>joining me to break that down for us. And if

0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 2>you missed my story either last night or tonight on

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 2>this issue, you can head to the Sky News website.

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Also the Daily Telegraph big story as well on the

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 2>front page tomorrow. Now, the budget feedback is rolling in

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:25.480
<v Speaker 2>and the major concern for voters is that the government's

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:29.400
<v Speaker 2>at cash splash will cause inflation and rates to rise.

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<v Speaker 2>This is according to the latest A Freshwater Strategy poll,

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<v Speaker 2>where nearly forty percent of voters think that the budget

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 2>will force the RBA's hand. Another forty six percent didn't

0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 2>think it would have any effect on household finances. So

0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:48.840
<v Speaker 2>to discuss this, let's bring in now Director of Freshwater Strategy,

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<v Speaker 2>Leo Shanahan. Leo, great to see you again.

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 11>Thanks.

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:53.000
<v Speaker 5>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you tell us about how because you looked at.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there is tax relief for Australians in the budget,

0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 2>both in the form of the three hundred dollar energy

0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 2>rebate also the tax cuts that take effect from the

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<v Speaker 2>first of July. What does your polling tell you about

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 2>how Australians are planning to spend this money?

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, and I don't think that three hundred dollars was

0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:14.080
<v Speaker 11>an accident even either, given the promise to reduce cost

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:16.000
<v Speaker 11>of living by two hundred and seventy five dollars and

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 11>it's convenient amount obviously, But yes, what do people do

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 11>with this money? Sharry and combining that with tax cuts,

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 11>The shorter answer is most people are going to spend it.

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 11>How quickly they spend it and what they spend it

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<v Speaker 11>on is the key.

0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:28.120
<v Speaker 9>Now.

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:30.480
<v Speaker 11>About thirty five percent of people said they were likely

0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:34.200
<v Speaker 11>to save that money. About another thirty three percent so

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:38.000
<v Speaker 11>they'll pay down debt and spend it. Another twenty said

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 11>they'll spend it on things they usually buy. Now the inflationary,

0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:43.160
<v Speaker 11>really inflationary stuff is to invest it or spend it

0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 11>on things they wouldn't have thought otherwise. Now, the government

0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 11>might have a point here in the sense that it's

0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 11>not inherently inflationary to pay down debt or to spend

0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 11>it on things well, to save it. It is not

0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:58.920
<v Speaker 11>inflationary to spend it on things you usually buy. However,

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 11>that's when we're yeah, where that's where we're kind of

0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 11>entering the zone where we're already in a hyperinflation or

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 11>very inflationary environment, and then we're really dealing with people

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:11.280
<v Speaker 11>who are kind of just kind of escaping that wave

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:14.120
<v Speaker 11>and letting them continue on in the manner in which

0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 11>they are that is in an inflationary way. But they

0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:20.040
<v Speaker 11>have the government has to do this dance of you know,

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:23.000
<v Speaker 11>giving cost of living in relief. They said they would,

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 11>they've done it, but the extent to which, and there's

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:28.680
<v Speaker 11>that key question will it increase the chance of an

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:31.000
<v Speaker 11>interest rate rise? And most people think it will, or

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<v Speaker 11>at least the majority of respondents at around forty percent.

0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Although you're polling on how people plan to spend it.

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, if it's followed through, that would be good

0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 2>news and that might mean that it's not as inflationary. Look,

0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 2>let's look at you know, how Australians feel about energy sources.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that this is going to be a key.

0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:50.240
<v Speaker 2>Issue in the lead up to the next election, Peter

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Dutton's put nuclear on the table.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what does your research tell us?

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<v Speaker 11>Well, look, I think from the get go you see

0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:00.800
<v Speaker 11>solar having supporter of about eighty one percent of people.

0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:03.000
<v Speaker 11>So solar is the kind of Koala bear at the

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:08.520
<v Speaker 11>moment in energy that everybody still loves. Yeah, eighty one percent.

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:12.640
<v Speaker 11>But natural gas has made a huge breakthrough at around

0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 11>fifty six percent in terms of support. That beats wind now.

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 11>Winds support has really dropped off both offshore onshore wind

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 11>by about ten percent.

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 8>Now.

0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:27.000
<v Speaker 11>There's obviously a lot of concern, especially in regional areas

0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 11>about the role of wind now and gas. Despite those

0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 11>activist proponents who are coming out, you know, increasingly against

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:38.520
<v Speaker 11>that gas, trying to compare it with coal, it is

0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:42.280
<v Speaker 11>increasingly popular about fifty six percent now. The bad news

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:46.840
<v Speaker 11>for Peter Dutton is that nuclear is consistently pretty low

0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 11>at about thirty six percent in terms of support and

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 11>thirty one percent of people who actually oppose it, So

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 11>you've actually got a pretty entrenched opposition to it as well.

0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:59.400
<v Speaker 11>Coal thirty three percent thirty four percent similarly divisive. But

0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 11>the difference with coal is it's in the system. It's there.

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 11>We rely on it and at the moment we certainly

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 11>need it. Nuclear doesn't have that benefit at the moment.

0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 1>And what about your overall polling.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, in the overall political figures in the primary vote,

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Labor gained one point I understand, to thirty two percent.

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:21.360
<v Speaker 1>The Coalition remained unchanged at forty percent.

0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:24.840
<v Speaker 2>So it told us through these figures and what it

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:27.279
<v Speaker 2>says about how the prime minister is going.

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:31.480
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, look, there's no budget bounce. These are kind of overstated,

0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:33.919
<v Speaker 11>but you know, they haven't gone backwards, which is good

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 11>for the government, but Liberal and National parties SPA having.

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:39.399
<v Speaker 1>Billions not to go backwards as well.

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:43.160
<v Speaker 11>When well, will you know, Labor government on thirty two

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 11>percent primary vote, that's still relatively low compared to what

0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 11>we have the coalition on which is forty percent. Obviously

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:53.719
<v Speaker 11>on a two pp basis. The Greens really pushed them up.

0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:55.719
<v Speaker 11>The Greens have gone up slightly to forteen percent. So

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:59.680
<v Speaker 11>now we're pretty much at status quo on fifty to fifty. Now,

0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:05.359
<v Speaker 11>if an election were held tomorrow on these numbers, it's

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 11>more than likely that Labor would form government with about

0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 11>seventy three seats Greens with four Liberal National Coalition about

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:16.719
<v Speaker 11>sixty three and then independence but this would be would

0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:19.960
<v Speaker 11>slip into a minority government. And then this of course,

0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:21.279
<v Speaker 11>the College managed to.

0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Get a forty percent primary, they'd have a good shot

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:25.280
<v Speaker 2>at being in government themselves.

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:27.879
<v Speaker 11>But well, yeah, that if they can out, that would

0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:29.000
<v Speaker 11>be a remarkable attempt.

0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:31.000
<v Speaker 2>If they if they managed to get forty percent, that

0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:32.759
<v Speaker 2>would be a very surprising us.

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, the trend is down for the government and that's clear.

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:38.520
<v Speaker 11>And the real question is, you know, how long do

0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:41.640
<v Speaker 11>they want to risk that trend before going to election.

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 11>Al analysis says there will be an early election. This

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:46.920
<v Speaker 11>will be the last budget under this government.

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I understand the PM has no intention of going early.

0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 11>So he says, all right, go if you can win.

0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Now after the break, the bizarre proposal for a manvan. Well,

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:01.760
<v Speaker 2>there's no man ban on this show with two gentlemen,

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:04.839
<v Speaker 2>Kayler Bond and Nick Cata joining me. Next, plus why

0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 2>mediation between Linda Reynolds and Britney Higgles. Brittney Higgins has

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 2>fallen apart for a second time. Welcome back, Well Ambulance

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:20.920
<v Speaker 2>ramping is back in the spotlight with a Gold Coast

0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:24.720
<v Speaker 2>man dying after waiting hours for hospital access.

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:27.280
<v Speaker 1>He eventually had a heart attack.

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Ambulance ramping and long wait times when you call Triplo,

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 2>even if Triplo knows the situation is urgent.

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, this is a.

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Problem right across the country. Not enough is being done

0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:44.920
<v Speaker 2>to fix this crucial issue. If you're having a medical episode,

0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:47.200
<v Speaker 2>if you're having a heart attack or a stroke, you

0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:49.120
<v Speaker 2>need urgent attention.

0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:52.240
<v Speaker 1>Not being left in a queue for hours.

0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Well to discuss, let's bring in Sky News host kayleb

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Bond and senior fellow at the Menzies Research Center, Nick

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:00.399
<v Speaker 2>cat Neck.

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<v Speaker 1>Where in the world are you joining us from tonight?

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:09.360
<v Speaker 6>I'm in Stockholm, Shari, Beautiful Stockholm in springtime, lovely.

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<v Speaker 5>Hope you don't have the syndrome, Nick, Well, it looks beautiful.

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:16.240
<v Speaker 6>Not yet, not yet, Caleb.

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:18.920
<v Speaker 1>We know this issue, Caleb.

0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 2>We know this issue of ambulance ramping isn't exclusive to Queensland.

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:26.360
<v Speaker 2>This is a major issue for state governments right across

0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:28.359
<v Speaker 2>the country and none of them seem to be able

0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:28.800
<v Speaker 2>to fix it.

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's everywhere.

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:32.359
<v Speaker 5>I mean, look the words of Peter malinowskis the South

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:35.680
<v Speaker 5>Australian premier ring in May is because he was elected

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:37.880
<v Speaker 5>very much on a promise that we will fix the

0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 5>ramping crisis in South Australia. Well, two years on, ramping

0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 5>is worse than it has ever been in South Australia.

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:49.480
<v Speaker 5>It's bad in Victoria, and that's compounded in Victoria by

0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:52.080
<v Speaker 5>a really bad triple zero system they have down there.

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:53.880
<v Speaker 5>And when I was at the Herald Sun we did

0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:56.879
<v Speaker 5>quite a bit of coverage in the Sunday Herald Sun

0:37:57.160 --> 0:37:59.840
<v Speaker 5>on it was more than thirty people who had died

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.279
<v Speaker 5>because they weren't having their triple zero calls attended to

0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 5>within the time required. So you add all these things

0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:09.239
<v Speaker 5>together and you've got to ask yourself the question, how

0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:12.560
<v Speaker 5>can we trust any state government to look after anything

0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:16.319
<v Speaker 5>when they can't deal with the most basic issues such

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:19.439
<v Speaker 5>as health and the population keeps going up. We don't

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:22.239
<v Speaker 5>get more hospitals, we don't get more beds, we don't

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:25.919
<v Speaker 5>get more ambulances, and somehow we expect the system to work.

0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:28.439
<v Speaker 5>In say, if I use that example again, they built

0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:30.760
<v Speaker 5>a new hospital. They got to the old Royal Adelaide Hospital,

0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 5>built a new Royal Adelaide Hospital. It had fewer beds

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:35.440
<v Speaker 5>than the old one. Make it make sense.

0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:38.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean state governments get involved in all sorts of things.

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:41.320
<v Speaker 2>You just want them to be on top of service delivery.

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:45.239
<v Speaker 2>That's what everyone pays their taxes for, Nick Cata. This

0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:47.880
<v Speaker 2>is shaping up to be now an issue in the

0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Queensland state election.

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>How do you think that's going to play out? For labor.

0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 6>It should be an issue in the Queensland state election,

0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 6>Chari because this is not at its route about a

0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:02.880
<v Speaker 6>short sortritage of medical services or shortage of ambulances. It's

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:06.880
<v Speaker 6>about organization because other states with the same degree of

0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:10.360
<v Speaker 6>resources manage this better. And I've said this before, but

0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:13.480
<v Speaker 6>if you put the head of Amazon in charge of

0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:16.239
<v Speaker 6>ambulances in Queensland, I think he'd fix it within a day.

0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:20.320
<v Speaker 6>It's simply a matter of organization. This poor gentleman should

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:23.680
<v Speaker 6>have been accelerated and pushed at the front of the queue.

0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:24.399
<v Speaker 8>He wasn't.

0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:28.359
<v Speaker 6>That's about systems, that's about organization, and I think it's

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:32.200
<v Speaker 6>something that the coalition and incoming coalition government should and

0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:35.279
<v Speaker 6>must fix as a matter of priority. And they can

0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:37.400
<v Speaker 6>do it because it's been done in other places.

0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, I have to say this issue has been just

0:39:40.719 --> 0:39:44.399
<v Speaker 2>as bad under Coalition and Labor state governments, at least

0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:47.239
<v Speaker 2>in New South Wales. And you know if you were

0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:49.560
<v Speaker 2>that man's family who had died of a heart attack

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:53.320
<v Speaker 2>because he wasn't given medical treatment fast enough, because he

0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:56.840
<v Speaker 2>was just left on an ambulance stretcher, you would be.

0:39:57.120 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely furious that fury adding to the Greek.

0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:04.800
<v Speaker 2>Now, there was a second attempt at mediation talks between

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<v Speaker 2>Linda Reynolds and Britney Higgins and it's failed yet again

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<v Speaker 2>to reach a settlement. So this is Linda reynolds defamation

0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:16.680
<v Speaker 2>suit against her former political staffer. Now, after leaving the

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<v Speaker 2>West Australian Supreme Court this afternoon, Linda Reynolds said she'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to reach a settlement.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a listen.

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<v Speaker 4>Justice Lee made some very comprehensive findings in his judgment

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<v Speaker 4>and it is time for all parties to accept.

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<v Speaker 1>All of his comments and I think that will help

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<v Speaker 1>us all move forward.

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<v Speaker 2>Caleb, you know this now seems the mediation talks have

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<v Speaker 2>failed twice, so it now seems like it's going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Go to trial, set for a six week trial. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you totally.

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<v Speaker 2>Understand that Linda Reynolds would feel very hard done by,

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<v Speaker 2>and just as Michael Lee did find that there was

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<v Speaker 2>no political cover up, those were the allegations against her.

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<v Speaker 1>She ended up with problems in hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, we know that Britney Higgins

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<v Speaker 2>has been suffering quite serious mental health issues under the

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<v Speaker 2>stress of all of this, So you know, you just

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<v Speaker 2>hope that they could reach a settlement, that Higgins could

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<v Speaker 2>apologize for the claims that she didn't that Linda Reynolds

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<v Speaker 2>didn't handle this properly.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and you've sort of ended up with this cat

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<v Speaker 5>and mouse game where, of course, after the case where

0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:26.840
<v Speaker 5>Justice Lee laid out that there was no political cover up,

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<v Speaker 5>David Scharraz, Britney's fiance, made comments online to the effect that,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, we wish Linda would drop this case. So

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<v Speaker 5>there's no desire from either side of this defamation case

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<v Speaker 5>to walk away from it. And I have no doubt

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<v Speaker 5>that Linda would much prefer to settle because it makes

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<v Speaker 5>things a lot easier. But it's not going to be

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<v Speaker 5>an easy process for either of them. As you say,

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<v Speaker 5>we know Britney has had mental health issues, and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>sure a six week trial does nothing to help that,

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<v Speaker 5>particularly after the trial that just happened with Bruce Lehreman.

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<v Speaker 5>And we know that Linda had self has had health

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<v Speaker 5>issues connected to this case. Like everything that has transpired

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<v Speaker 5>ever since it all came to like, everyone who has

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<v Speaker 5>been touched by this case has come out damaged by it,

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<v Speaker 5>and I don't think we're about to see anything different

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<v Speaker 5>in that regard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, Nikita, do you think you know either party

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<v Speaker 2>should walk away here or do you know do you

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<v Speaker 2>think both have a responsibility to just compromise a bit to.

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<v Speaker 1>Get this settled.

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely, And having been in a media agent session ahead

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<v Speaker 6>of a defamation case, I can tell you it is

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<v Speaker 6>not in anybody's interests to go to court except the lawyers.

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<v Speaker 6>They are the only people who benefit for going to court.

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<v Speaker 6>It should be settled now. I'm surprised that it hasn't been.

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<v Speaker 6>I think Linda Rewolds is right to put to justice

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<v Speaker 6>Lee's findings and say, well, it gets quite straightforward. I

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<v Speaker 6>was blamed for something which I didn't do. My repute

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<v Speaker 6>was damaged severely, possibly my whole political career was damaged

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<v Speaker 6>because of this. I need some sort of apology and

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<v Speaker 6>recompense I don't know why they haven't come to it,

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<v Speaker 6>but I think it's very very foolish for them to

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<v Speaker 6>go to court, and I really think that it would

0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:19.920
<v Speaker 6>seem for an outsider, pretty straightforward. You just acknowledge what

0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:23.800
<v Speaker 6>Justice Lee has said about Linda Reynolds being entirely blameless

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<v Speaker 6>in this, and you make clear that her reputation, you

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<v Speaker 6>make good on her reputation. It's straightforward.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, after the break, we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the bizarre call for a man ban as I said,

0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:38.759
<v Speaker 2>no man ban on this program, plus Donald Trump and

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<v Speaker 2>the fiery appearance outside Cot after break.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, as you know, domestic violence has.

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<v Speaker 2>Been in the spotlight, but an article suggesting ways to

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<v Speaker 2>curb it is causing a stir.

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<v Speaker 1>The headline reads, is it time to start?

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<v Speaker 5>Men?

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<v Speaker 1>Congregating in groups?

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<v Speaker 2>Could mean no footy training, no group chats, norowdi tables

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<v Speaker 2>at pub trivia.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Ben Fordham said this morning that the idea was

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<v Speaker 1>utter madness.

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<v Speaker 5>I think we've reached peak madness. And the blokes playing

0:44:15.800 --> 0:44:20.040
<v Speaker 5>pub trivia or the blokes at footy training, they're probably

0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:21.840
<v Speaker 5>the same blokes would be first to step.

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<v Speaker 6>In and help.

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<v Speaker 1>Caleb. What do you think about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think the debate about domestic violence is now

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<v Speaker 2>just going too far when people are suggesting banning groups

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<v Speaker 2>of men.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, look, the suggestion is pretty brainded, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 5>I understand the objective of the author's column, and all

0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:46.040
<v Speaker 5>three of us are are columnists at various times, and

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<v Speaker 5>I understand the idea that you want to provoke a reaction.

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<v Speaker 5>And if you read through the entire column, the points

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<v Speaker 5>she is getting at is that women feel unsafe in

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<v Speaker 5>some situations, So why should women be made to feel unsafe?

0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:00.759
<v Speaker 5>Perhaps the men should have to take a hit so

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<v Speaker 5>women feel safe. I get the argument she is making.

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<v Speaker 5>But to take something that is as serious as domestic

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<v Speaker 5>violence and sexual violence, which is referenced in the column,

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<v Speaker 5>and to then suggest, well, the solution is to ban

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<v Speaker 5>men from gathering. You know, come on, if you really

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<v Speaker 5>want to bring men along with the discussion, and you

0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:25.840
<v Speaker 5>had this discussion with the Josh Zepps last week, I

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<v Speaker 5>think it was, it might might have been earlier this

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<v Speaker 5>week even, But if you want to if you want

0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:35.040
<v Speaker 5>to bring men along with you, you actually have to

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<v Speaker 5>bring them to the table and say this is what

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<v Speaker 5>we need you to do to help, and this is

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<v Speaker 5>why you should help. Going down the road of saying, oh, well,

0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:44.480
<v Speaker 5>you know you're all potentially violent, even though we all

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<v Speaker 5>know it's not true, it does turn people off, and

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think that's good for the cause.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Nickkita, you like a bit of a male gathering.

0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:54.680
<v Speaker 1>You're a cyclist.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine being told you couldn't cycle in with

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<v Speaker 2>a group of men anymore?

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<v Speaker 6>Look, I don't know we do any harm to anybody.

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<v Speaker 6>There's certainly no women except perhaps you know. The site

0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:09.719
<v Speaker 6>of the licro maybe a little bit difficult for some,

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<v Speaker 6>but look, I mean it's absurd, it's absurd chari and

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<v Speaker 6>this is really a long running campaign beginning with you know,

0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:24.880
<v Speaker 6>feminists who thought they would say this is all about

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<v Speaker 6>being a man. It's not about being a man. It's

0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:33.160
<v Speaker 6>about being it's about behaving in an outrageous and unacceptable

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<v Speaker 6>and violent and often criminal way. That's what it's about.

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<v Speaker 6>It's about criminal behavior. Okay, so some men rob banks,

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<v Speaker 6>But does that mean to say we stop men going

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<v Speaker 6>anywhere near banks? I mean, that's the kind of logic

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<v Speaker 6>we're getting to on this. Instead, we should deal with

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 6>the with the people themselves that we should make sure

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<v Speaker 6>that that the police are fully equipped and the law

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:56.800
<v Speaker 6>is on their side to come down and hard on

0:46:57.040 --> 0:47:00.759
<v Speaker 6>men who do cowardly things to women. I should also

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<v Speaker 6>look at underlying causes.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we've got to quickly get to Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>His historic hush money trial is nearing its end, and

0:47:08.760 --> 0:47:11.960
<v Speaker 2>we've seen his farmer fixer from a lawyer, Michael Cohen,

0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:14.960
<v Speaker 2>admit to stealing tens of thousands of dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>From his company.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if we have time to play you

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's comments, But Caleb, what did you make of Michael

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:22.720
<v Speaker 2>Cohen's evidence?

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<v Speaker 8>Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>Look, this whole trial has been exactly what we expected

0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:31.479
<v Speaker 5>it would be, which is a show trial. The point

0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:35.120
<v Speaker 5>is to try and string Trump up for what purpose

0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:37.800
<v Speaker 5>we don't really know, except to beat the chests of

0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:39.880
<v Speaker 5>Democrats and say, look at us, we're trying to get

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:42.840
<v Speaker 5>them man and Cohen is no different. It does not

0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:45.600
<v Speaker 5>make a lick of difference what Cohen or Trump or

0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:48.919
<v Speaker 5>anyone else says in that courtroom. It is not going

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<v Speaker 5>to change a single vote in the United States. If

0:47:52.719 --> 0:47:54.440
<v Speaker 5>you're going to vote for Trump, you already know you're

0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:56.000
<v Speaker 5>going to vote for Trump. And if you're not going

0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:58.120
<v Speaker 5>to vote for Trump. Well, you're already not voting for him.

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<v Speaker 5>This case ain't changing it. The whole thing has been

0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:01.200
<v Speaker 5>a joke.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Nick Cata, what's your verdict on how this is

0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:05.240
<v Speaker 2>going to play out for Trump?

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<v Speaker 6>Plug out very well because all the polling shows that

0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:13.840
<v Speaker 6>the less he talks about politics, the higher his ratings go.

0:48:14.239 --> 0:48:17.640
<v Speaker 6>And so the Democrats or whoever's driving this case has

0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:20.360
<v Speaker 6>done him a great favor by getting him concentrated on

0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:23.640
<v Speaker 6>something else. And you know, it is a show trial,

0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:26.600
<v Speaker 6>as Caleb said, but it's a show title that's really

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<v Speaker 6>I suppose it does two things. One, it keeps Democrats

0:48:30.000 --> 0:48:33.480
<v Speaker 6>spirits up because they've got a pretty dismal election ahead

0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:36.680
<v Speaker 6>with Biden in charge. But it also brews Trump as

0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:38.760
<v Speaker 6>we know that this actually has a positive effect.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Nick Cata, enjoy Stockholm, Kay the bind will

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<v Speaker 2>see you back at ten o'clock. Thanks everyone for your company.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll see you tomorrow at eight. And here's my great mate,

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Murray.