1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Approche production. 2 00:00:18,121 --> 00:00:21,401 Speaker 2: My father was a heavy drinker. He was a workaholic 3 00:00:21,441 --> 00:00:24,121 Speaker 2: and what I would call an alcoholic. He would drink 4 00:00:24,161 --> 00:00:26,081 Speaker 2: a flag and pen foles were all reserved back in 5 00:00:26,121 --> 00:00:28,921 Speaker 2: the day, and nothing to knock off a bottle of 6 00:00:29,201 --> 00:00:32,361 Speaker 2: Grant Scotch and whatever else was there and be out 7 00:00:32,361 --> 00:00:35,081 Speaker 2: the back ripping off the fence, palings with all the uncles. 8 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: Around the area, creating bonfires or. 9 00:00:36,801 --> 00:00:40,961 Speaker 2: A fucking night and getting blind. How old were you 10 00:00:40,961 --> 00:00:44,001 Speaker 2: at that stone? I can remember back to about six 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:45,801 Speaker 2: years of age, five six years of age, and that 12 00:00:45,961 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 2: was pretty well the way it was. There was a 13 00:00:49,561 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 2: lot of, I guess now I know, a lot of 14 00:00:53,241 --> 00:00:57,841 Speaker 2: tension in the home between my parents back then. They 15 00:00:58,321 --> 00:01:01,681 Speaker 2: just yeah, there was something much deeper than I ever 16 00:01:01,761 --> 00:01:07,481 Speaker 2: knew that wasn't good. My father was very, very aggressive, 17 00:01:07,761 --> 00:01:11,801 Speaker 2: quite violent towards my mum and me back then because 18 00:01:11,881 --> 00:01:14,161 Speaker 2: I was the oldest and I was always sort of 19 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,881 Speaker 2: jumping in in front of my mom, and yeah, I 20 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,241 Speaker 2: copped the brun of it, so to speak. 21 00:01:22,241 --> 00:01:24,961 Speaker 1: I was also too being sexually abused. 22 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: By three perpetrators, one that lived at the bottom of 23 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: the coulder sack and two that lived over the back 24 00:01:34,041 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: fence and that went on for probably the age of 25 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,521 Speaker 2: six right through till about eight and a half. 26 00:01:44,081 --> 00:01:50,401 Speaker 1: And it was the worst, the worst part of my 27 00:01:50,561 --> 00:01:52,481 Speaker 1: life that I can remember growing up. 28 00:01:54,561 --> 00:01:58,441 Speaker 2: Basically being forced to give oral sex and you know, 29 00:01:58,721 --> 00:02:05,681 Speaker 2: masturbate and just sick, sick, fucking shit that should never 30 00:02:05,761 --> 00:02:06,201 Speaker 2: ever have. 31 00:02:06,201 --> 00:02:10,201 Speaker 1: To go through. And you knew these people, I knew them. 32 00:02:10,441 --> 00:02:13,481 Speaker 1: They knew me that my father drank with their uncle. 33 00:02:15,481 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 2: You know. I remember one time they used to hide 34 00:02:20,721 --> 00:02:24,441 Speaker 2: up the bush and I had to go through a bush, 35 00:02:24,481 --> 00:02:26,721 Speaker 2: which back then was like a creek bed to go 36 00:02:26,761 --> 00:02:29,121 Speaker 2: to football training because I played rugby league and I 37 00:02:29,201 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 2: was right right until I was an adult. I was 38 00:02:32,001 --> 00:02:35,801 Speaker 2: a really good rugby league player that had the opportunity 39 00:02:35,881 --> 00:02:41,001 Speaker 2: to play in the RL, and my stability and mental 40 00:02:41,041 --> 00:02:43,361 Speaker 2: ability didn't allow me to play. That I had the talent, 41 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,081 Speaker 2: but I had other things going on in my life 42 00:02:46,121 --> 00:02:52,481 Speaker 2: with no support. And going back to that period of 43 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,521 Speaker 2: my life when I was a child, I would go 44 00:02:54,561 --> 00:02:56,841 Speaker 2: to football training, leave home and. 45 00:02:57,001 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: Go around the back up through a bush. 46 00:02:59,761 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 2: And these perpetrators knew that that would be the way 47 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:03,201 Speaker 2: I would go. 48 00:03:04,161 --> 00:03:05,601 Speaker 1: They knew, I know, they knew. 49 00:03:05,641 --> 00:03:07,921 Speaker 2: They were a lot older they knew that there wasn't 50 00:03:07,921 --> 00:03:11,281 Speaker 2: things good at home, and I got sick of it, 51 00:03:11,841 --> 00:03:14,361 Speaker 2: and they used to threaten me and get physical with 52 00:03:14,401 --> 00:03:19,481 Speaker 2: me and force me to do things that I basically 53 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,201 Speaker 2: couldn't escape from doing. It was just they were, you know, 54 00:03:22,441 --> 00:03:26,401 Speaker 2: they were ten years older than me. So these kids 55 00:03:26,401 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: were seven oh fuck yeah, yeah, absolutely fully grown men. Yep, 56 00:03:31,081 --> 00:03:37,961 Speaker 2: two brothers. And I remember coming back one day and 57 00:03:38,041 --> 00:03:41,201 Speaker 2: I remember threatening to go and to tell on them, 58 00:03:41,441 --> 00:03:43,561 Speaker 2: and my father was out on the veranda and he'd 59 00:03:43,601 --> 00:03:46,761 Speaker 2: been drinking and he was with their uncle, and they 60 00:03:46,801 --> 00:03:50,801 Speaker 2: had a sister, and they had said that they bolted 61 00:03:50,841 --> 00:03:52,641 Speaker 2: back and beat me to the house and said that 62 00:03:52,641 --> 00:03:54,921 Speaker 2: they'd caught me and their sister, whom was I think 63 00:03:54,921 --> 00:03:57,721 Speaker 2: he probably about two years younger than me, so what 64 00:03:57,841 --> 00:04:00,041 Speaker 2: was like six seven, so she was, you know five. 65 00:04:00,721 --> 00:04:03,001 Speaker 2: For something like that that we were seeing in the 66 00:04:03,041 --> 00:04:07,241 Speaker 2: bush playing doctors and nerve is basically you know, inappropriate stuff. 67 00:04:07,761 --> 00:04:10,481 Speaker 2: And it was an absolute lie. It was purely made 68 00:04:10,561 --> 00:04:14,681 Speaker 2: up to make me look like a liar that was 69 00:04:14,721 --> 00:04:18,041 Speaker 2: coming back. And they were the you know, the royal 70 00:04:18,121 --> 00:04:20,521 Speaker 2: fucking battalion coming in and going, oh, hen, we just 71 00:04:20,561 --> 00:04:21,041 Speaker 2: caught him. 72 00:04:21,161 --> 00:04:21,441 Speaker 1: You know. 73 00:04:23,521 --> 00:04:26,721 Speaker 2: That moment is embedded in my life because I was 74 00:04:27,041 --> 00:04:29,601 Speaker 2: a young boy in tears, screaming out for help, and 75 00:04:29,681 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: I just remember getting the biggest fucking back end of 76 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,761 Speaker 2: my life that lifted me clean off of fucking four 77 00:04:33,761 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: foot Randa flat onto. 78 00:04:38,281 --> 00:04:41,281 Speaker 1: A driveway, And at that moment. 79 00:04:41,801 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: I I just wanted to really fucking kill people. 80 00:04:47,961 --> 00:04:50,041 Speaker 1: I hated the world, I hated everybody. 81 00:04:51,401 --> 00:04:55,121 Speaker 2: I had to deal with it because there was the 82 00:04:55,201 --> 00:04:58,361 Speaker 2: separation of my parents. My mother didn't want anything to 83 00:04:58,361 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: do with me because I reminded her too much of 84 00:04:59,961 --> 00:05:03,601 Speaker 2: my father. My father didn't want the responsibility at that 85 00:05:03,721 --> 00:05:08,881 Speaker 2: stage of taking me, so he was very angry. And 86 00:05:10,241 --> 00:05:12,721 Speaker 2: at that stage too, I was being abused at a 87 00:05:12,761 --> 00:05:15,961 Speaker 2: primary school that I went to by two Marris brothers, 88 00:05:17,521 --> 00:05:19,961 Speaker 2: and I won't go into too much of that at 89 00:05:19,961 --> 00:05:23,281 Speaker 2: moment because that's still proceeding through court. So as you 90 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,481 Speaker 2: can imagine a young man basically being raped and torn 91 00:05:27,561 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: from every fucking angle. 92 00:05:30,921 --> 00:05:35,881 Speaker 1: With yeah, no support nowhere to go, it was pretty tough. 93 00:05:39,601 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 3: I remember watching you and Russell Manson talk and Russ 94 00:05:44,161 --> 00:05:49,121 Speaker 3: has been a big supporter of you, in particular around 95 00:05:49,121 --> 00:05:52,601 Speaker 3: this area, and I remember you saying to him in 96 00:05:52,641 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: the chat that you could see the pain in his 97 00:05:54,761 --> 00:05:57,561 Speaker 3: eyes when he told you that story. I can see 98 00:05:57,561 --> 00:05:59,001 Speaker 3: the same pain in your eyes right now. 99 00:05:59,041 --> 00:06:08,921 Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, it's it's never easy, and I mean, look good. 100 00:06:08,961 --> 00:06:13,481 Speaker 2: Yes, it's public knowledge that I've done interviews with my 101 00:06:14,521 --> 00:06:17,441 Speaker 2: past and my present, and then things have been spoken about. 102 00:06:17,481 --> 00:06:21,121 Speaker 2: But as I said in the beginning, you only I guess, 103 00:06:21,241 --> 00:06:22,441 Speaker 2: touch on things. 104 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,041 Speaker 1: When you're being interviewed by media and stuff. 105 00:06:26,961 --> 00:06:29,761 Speaker 2: This is my story, this is my podcast, and I 106 00:06:29,801 --> 00:06:32,081 Speaker 2: feel that if I'm going to do this, I need 107 00:06:32,121 --> 00:06:38,361 Speaker 2: to yeah, deliver it in the most honest, honest way 108 00:06:38,401 --> 00:06:41,801 Speaker 2: that I can. So that was that was the start 109 00:06:41,841 --> 00:06:50,121 Speaker 2: of my life. And yeah, my rebellious, my drug taking, 110 00:06:50,201 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: my alcoholism, my crime, it all just just kicked off 111 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:56,801 Speaker 2: from there. 112 00:06:58,361 --> 00:07:02,161 Speaker 1: Those two young men that did those horrible things, did 113 00:07:02,161 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: they ever face any retribution? 114 00:07:05,601 --> 00:07:08,921 Speaker 2: And look, as I said, you know, I was a 115 00:07:08,961 --> 00:07:12,081 Speaker 2: young boy trying to voice my opinion. I mean I 116 00:07:12,161 --> 00:07:14,361 Speaker 2: was being molested at school. I made that aware, and 117 00:07:14,401 --> 00:07:17,161 Speaker 2: I got the cane and I remember getting the cane 118 00:07:17,201 --> 00:07:19,881 Speaker 2: from the principal and I come off the back of 119 00:07:20,241 --> 00:07:24,841 Speaker 2: me apparently saying to a girl that she was frigid. Now, 120 00:07:26,281 --> 00:07:28,961 Speaker 2: I don't recall ever saying it nine ten years of 121 00:07:28,961 --> 00:07:31,361 Speaker 2: age to a girl that was supposed to be my girlfriend. 122 00:07:31,481 --> 00:07:34,161 Speaker 1: She was frigid, but anyway, that's what it was said. 123 00:07:35,281 --> 00:07:38,201 Speaker 2: I had spoken to this particular principal, who was a 124 00:07:38,201 --> 00:07:40,321 Speaker 2: Maris brother at the time. I'd also told him what 125 00:07:40,441 --> 00:07:44,601 Speaker 2: was happening, and I was flogged. My old man flogged me. 126 00:07:45,881 --> 00:07:49,761 Speaker 2: No one gave a fuck. Nobody back then, no one. 127 00:07:49,561 --> 00:07:50,561 Speaker 1: Wanted to know about it. 128 00:07:50,641 --> 00:07:52,721 Speaker 2: And you know, I was a troublesome child from a 129 00:07:52,721 --> 00:07:56,481 Speaker 2: troublesome home. You know who's going to believe a kid 130 00:07:56,521 --> 00:08:04,321 Speaker 2: screaming out for help. It's attention, isn't it. So uh, 131 00:08:05,721 --> 00:08:08,121 Speaker 2: it was a very tough cookie to swallow, especially needs 132 00:08:08,121 --> 00:08:10,641 Speaker 2: to come those two perpetrators. 133 00:08:10,681 --> 00:08:11,201 Speaker 1: There was three. 134 00:08:11,241 --> 00:08:15,601 Speaker 2: There was another another bloke and I'll fucking say his name. 135 00:08:15,721 --> 00:08:18,241 Speaker 2: It was David and Peter Russell with the two blokes 136 00:08:18,241 --> 00:08:23,081 Speaker 2: behind me and Peter Mummery, and his nickname was bum 137 00:08:23,161 --> 00:08:26,241 Speaker 2: Jack Mummery. And that was for the reason that he 138 00:08:26,321 --> 00:08:27,881 Speaker 2: that's what he did. I wasn't the only person that 139 00:08:27,921 --> 00:08:34,961 Speaker 2: he attacked. Beangel now, mate, I've got to be really 140 00:08:34,961 --> 00:08:39,001 Speaker 2: honest with you and with everybody out there. In all 141 00:08:39,041 --> 00:08:41,921 Speaker 2: the years of jail that I've done. I sat in 142 00:08:42,041 --> 00:08:44,761 Speaker 2: every fucking yard praying that one of those dogs would 143 00:08:44,761 --> 00:08:47,281 Speaker 2: walk through, because I would ram a blade through their 144 00:08:47,281 --> 00:08:48,081 Speaker 2: fucking throats. 145 00:08:48,121 --> 00:08:49,401 Speaker 1: And I'd be still sitting there today. 146 00:08:50,241 --> 00:08:51,921 Speaker 2: And I've got to say, and we'll get into this 147 00:08:51,961 --> 00:08:54,761 Speaker 2: a little bit later, that I'm thankful to God because 148 00:08:54,761 --> 00:08:57,481 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have my four beautiful children, my beautiful wife. 149 00:08:57,641 --> 00:09:00,481 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be here now having this wonderful moment to 150 00:09:00,521 --> 00:09:04,121 Speaker 2: share to hopefully help others. I wouldn't have achieved some 151 00:09:04,201 --> 00:09:07,561 Speaker 2: of the great things that I have achieved. I wouldn't 152 00:09:07,561 --> 00:09:10,921 Speaker 2: have been able to let go of feeling a victim. 153 00:09:10,961 --> 00:09:13,041 Speaker 2: I would have still been sitting in jail doing life 154 00:09:13,361 --> 00:09:18,281 Speaker 2: for pedophiles that molested me, which I got no problem, 155 00:09:18,321 --> 00:09:20,241 Speaker 2: but it would have destroyed my life completely, and at 156 00:09:20,241 --> 00:09:22,361 Speaker 2: the end of the day, they would have won.