WEBVTT - Credlin | 20 July 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:07.000 Peter Krendlin live on Sky News Australia. 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:10.440 Thank you, Chris Kenny. I certainly am I arrested and 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:13.319 that's dangerous. Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.480 coming up tonight on Kredlin. One Nation draws level with 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:20.120 Labour in the latest News poll. Improvement too for the coalition. 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:23.360 In fact, Labour's vote is at its lowest. EBB synth 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:27.240 Anthony Albert Easy was first elected in twenty twenty two, 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:32.440 a massive win for common sense. Child psychiatrist Gillian Spencer 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:37.000 finally vindicated after four years in her battle with the 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:42.560 Queensland Children's Hospital just for raising concerns about gender affirming care. 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:47.239 Doctor Spencer will join me live. One of the alleged 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:51.720 ISIS connected women, Rayan Lhooley, accused of encouraging her own 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:56.160 children to act like ISIS fighters, has today been granted bail. 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.720 I'll get you an update on that decision with David Craig, 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.520 formerly of Calls from the AFP, and my reaction to 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:07.120 from the fallout from Pauline Hanson's so called endorsement of 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.920 the Wide Australia Policy. At least that's what some in 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:11.759 the media want to call. 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:15.200 It started in nineteen seventy three with Gough Whitlam, so 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.840 they opened up and got rid of the Wide Australia policy. 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:21.280 Pauline Hansen does not support the Wide Australia policy. 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:25.000 I find it astonishing that Pauline Hanson has traveled overseas 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:27.839 in order to denigrate and talk down Australia. 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:32.600 We'll stay with that issue because I land back in 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.680 the country late last week after a couple of weeks 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:38.800 on leaving Europe. After, of course, I finished up at 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:42.480 the conference, the ARC Conference in Britain, and there's nothing 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:44.440 like being away from the country. You love to get 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:49.440 some perspective about how it's fairing when compared with others. Now, 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:52.040 you were there with me in London virtually on the ground. 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:55.720 I was there for ten days hosting this program out 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:59.520 of London while I attended the annual ARC Conference, which 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.360 brought to you together thinkers and leaders from around the 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:07.680 world who care about where Western civilizations headed. And everyone 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:10.360 was asking themselves what can be done to deal with 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:15.160 the erosion of culture and confidence in our countries as 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:20.280 well as arrest the institutional decay that has been led 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:24.600 for decades now by the left. Now by far and away. 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:29.240 The biggest issue raised with me while away was immigration, 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:33.720 not just concern about the massive influx of illegal arrivals 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:38.480 across the English Channel, but also large scale legal migration 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:44.359 coupled with a lack of integration of new arrivals over time. 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.520 People told me this had led to the loss of 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:52.280 British culture and tradition. And everywhere I looked there was 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:56.959 evidence of a country in decline. High streets just full 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:02.400 of vape bars and nail bars, four lease signs, areas 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:06.280 where English was the second language, Streets where the Union 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.600 jack was seen as a symbol of colonial division, no 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:13.320 longer a flag of national unity. I was there too 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.600 on the day that yet another British Prime Minister resigned, 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:21.080 this one only two years into his first term after 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:25.840 a record win, and tonight we'll see his successor. Andy Burnham, 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:31.639 arrived shortly at Downing Street, which makes him the UK's 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.520 fifth Prime minister in just four years, the seventh in 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:39.360 a decade, and in so many respects, what I saw 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.800 and heard overseas mirrored the sort of concerns that so 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:46.360 many of you have here in Australia about where we 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:50.720 are headed about our country in Britain too, as in 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:54.480 Melbourne and other parts of Australia, crime is on the rise, 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:58.360 particularly violent crime. But more than crime, it was the 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:02.800 simple disrespect that struck me most. I saw people urinating 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.480 in the street, people vandalizing seats on the tube, people 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:11.040 spitting on the footpath, phones literally snatched out of someone's 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.760 hands as they walked along a major tourist road in London. 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.680 Among the experts and the politicians I interviewed in the UK, 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:22.880 for me, two of my guests in particular stood out. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.480 The first was that former detective from Scotland Yard, an 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:31.760 expert encounter terrorism, who warned against accepting any ISIS brides 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:36.600 back into Australia. She said Britain's long experience with terrorism 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.880 meant that they were too much of a risk ever 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:41.440 to let return. 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:43.560 At the end of the day, they were risks to 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:48.960 national security, and I think everyone would say, in an 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:51.640 ideal world, we would bring them back and we would 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.559 put them through the criminal justice process, you know, because 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:59.560 they're innocent until proven guilty. However, when you're talking about 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:01.680 what we're talking talking about and where it happened and 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:06.599 things like that, you don't necessarily have that evidence that 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.239 can be used in a court place. 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.200 My second guest that was memorable was the very brave 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:17.880 Muslim academic from the UAA Armjita here who said Australia 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:22.440 must start burying its collective head and sand over radical Islam. 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:26.440 Give me your reaction to what you saw happened in Sydney, 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:31.680 but also advice you'd have for politicians about radical Islam. 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:36.320 Radical islamis which is led mainly by the Muslim brotherhood 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:40.600 all around the world, have been allowed to act in 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.760 such a way, in such a manner where every time 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.000 you try to criticize them, they want to make it 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:51.359 expensive for you and I and everyone, including even members 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:54.719 of the Parliament, members of the Congress, they want to 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:59.000 make it very expensive for them. Muslim Brotherhoods just still 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:04.520 exist in the books in some universities and some schools 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:11.159 and even some mosques inside Australia. Do not tolerate people 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:15.080 who do not tolerate you, and treat your country like 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.600 your home and treat the citizens like your children. 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:22.960 On the Muslim Brotherhood, he said, this. 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.159 Band band, the Muslim Brotherhood, you cannot you know, this 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:30.560 is a problem some people in Australia, and so they're 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.039 trying to be more Muslim than I. You will not 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.160 be more Arab than I. You will not be more 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:38.480 Muslim than me. And I'm telling you band the Muslim Brotherhood, 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:41.159 there you go. 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.040 And in particular relevance to weakened announcements by Anthony Albanezi 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.960 on Islamophobia, this proud Muslim man. 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:54.680 Said, this moment they criticize those Islamis, those Muslim Brotherhood, 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:59.440 they will call them Islamophobia. But that terminology itself, it 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.839 was creating by the Muslim Brotherhood's writer, call islamis. 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:08.800 Remember that when we discuss the Prime Minister's response, his 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:14.200 press conference on Saturday was very interesting. He announced his 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:19.600 government's response to the report of his Special Envoy on Islamophobia. 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:23.480 Of course, Muslim Australians have the same right as all 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.560 of us to be respected and safe, but that does 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:30.680 not mean that Islam's above criticism, especially those variants of 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:35.160 Islam that promote a global caliphate or Sharia law. The 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:38.960 basic problem that Albanezer khn Or won't face because of 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:42.800 growing Muslim votes in some key Labour seats is that 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:47.320 some forms of Islam are incompatible with life in a liberal, 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:53.440 pluralist democracy, which brings me to Istanbul, where I stopped 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:55.679 over for a few days before I landed back home. 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.360 I wanted to tour all the historic sites and learn 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.080 as much as I can good, so I engaged a 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:06.080 tour guide, a young Muslim woman whom I discovered was 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.360 studying a PhD in religious faith and not only spoke 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:15.000 Turkish and English, but also Arabic and incredibly was studying 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.720 Hebrew as well. Now, her respect for both the Christian 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:23.000 and Jewish faiths along with her own was a real surprise. 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.920 Having grown up close to the Syrian border, she had 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:31.880 seen more of the wars and the Islamic state contagion 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:36.320 than most of us will ever know. She opened a 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:39.080 window for me into the plight of young Turkish women, 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:43.880 her fear the loss of Mustafa Kamal Ada Turk's secular 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:50.280 Turkey due to the Erduwan regimes increasing accommodation of religious dictates, 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:54.560 such as the growing adoption of Islamic dress, which over 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.920 one hundred years ago under Ada Turk, the founder of 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:03.080 modern Turkey, had been at discouraged now. For too long, 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:07.360 politicians in both major parties have refused to address legitimate 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:12.040 concerns about immigration and it's more than just the numbers. 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.719 Australians are in veterate travelers because we want to experience 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:21.280 the unique cultures of different countries. I went to Greece 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.120 because I wanted to be in the Greek culture. I 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:29.040 go to Italy because I love the Italian culture. When 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:32.640 we travel, we want to experience the culture of the 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:36.880 country we are in, and in doing so, most of 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.920 us return home even more determined than ever to cherish 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:43.400 and protect what we have here in Australia. But we 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:47.360 cannot protect a culture that official doom wants to replace 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:52.400 with no culture at all. And that's what multiculturalism amounts to, 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:58.040 a hotch potch of mixed cultures that dilute the unique 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:02.720 heritage of our own country. Now, make no mistake, I'm 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.680 not saying we shut the door and reject migrants. I'm 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:09.480 not saying that I am myself the descendant of migrants 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:13.200 from the eighteen fifties. We are an immigrant country, we 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:18.080 are a multi ethnic country, but I do not accept 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.959 that we are a multiculture. Now. I know there are 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.199 politicians who want to try and shut down this debate 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:30.040 about multiculturalism, but as hard as they might, they will 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.280 not make it go away, not now. I know that. 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:34.160 You know that. 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:39.640 In a united and cohesive country there has to be 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:45.360 a core culture, something singular and Australian that unites us all. 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:50.400 Otherwise we're no longer a nation of people, but a 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:55.040 land of mere tribes. If that happens, Believe me, it 0:10:55.160 --> 0:11:02.839 is the beginning of the end. Now. For a long time, 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:06.480 as you know, I have been a strong, staunch supporter 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.600 of Victorian MP moy Redeeming. I had not even met 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.640 her when I defended her right to speak at a 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:16.959 rally and support of single sex spaces for women and girls. 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.400 I could not believe then that the simple actor defending 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:24.640 our biological rights could be so controversial with some liberals, 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:28.360 but it was. It was with some, including her then 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:34.080 leader John Pezzuto. Deeming was wrongly accused and poorly treated 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:38.440 by him and others. So I defended her. I stood 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:40.720 by her when she tried to get an apology from 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:44.320 him and the then party president Phil Davis, but that 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:48.240 was rejected, and I was in her corner when she 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:50.800 eventually took him on in the federal court and she 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:56.560 won her defamation case, but in refusing to apologize to 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.439 Matthew Guy over a claim of rough treatment. They had 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.280 no base. This is, in fact, as the CCT footage 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:06.880 makes clear, Deeming has done to him, to Matthew Guy, 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:09.680 or Perzuto did to her. 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:14.960 More redeeming owes me a public apology. I'm owed an 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:19.760 apology by the Premier and the Attorney General. My family, name, 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:24.240 my reputation is not a political toy. No one's is. 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:30.200 In politics, as in life, when you get it wrong, 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.240 you own up and you apologize. That's what you do. 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:38.440 You apologize, and if you don't, you bear the consequences, 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:43.480 as John Perzuto did, and now as Moira Deeming has 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.520 no longer as a Friday Night An endorsed Liberal Party 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:53.040 candidate for the must win state election in November. As 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:56.360 a lawyer, I've never subscribed to the view that every 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:01.079 woman must be believed. No, no, every woman and every 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:05.760 man is entitled only to be heard. The question of 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:09.760 being believed is one for our justice system, be that 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:14.000 a judge or a jury. Now, as to the future, 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:18.440 I sincerely wish Moira, her husband Andrew, and their kids 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:22.920 all the very best. There's no doubt she's had a 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:26.160 very turbulent few years in the public eye. Her pre 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.360 selection win at the top of the Liberal Party ticket 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:32.520 in March was a chance for her to reset. It's 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:36.280 sad that she's now squandered that, but in the end, 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:42.880 politics is about character and it's about temperament. Jess Wilson 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:47.200 has certainly handled this difficult issue better than her predecessors, 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:52.199 and that bodes well for November. But please, now, can 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.760 the Liberal Party just get back to doing everything it 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.120 can to say Victoria from another four years of the 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.960 worst labor government in his life street. The state is 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:07.160 on its knees financially, capital is fleeing Victoria. Businesses are 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:10.960 going bust. Crime is out of control, so too is 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:16.560 corruption at every level. Victoria is an embarrassment inter state 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.920 and voters just want the internal carry on to stop 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:25.360 and for the focus rightly to be on them. For years, 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:30.000 for too long a weak Liberal opposition let Daniel Andrews 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.920 get away with murder politically speaking, now, this cannot happen 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:37.720 again under Andrews's deputy in our Premier, just Int Allen. 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:43.520 This is Victoria's last chance to save itself and to 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.920 be honest for the Liberals as well. If they can't 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.840 beat a labor outfit this bad, this rotten. Then what 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.600 hope is there for the party longer term? With four 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.960 months now until the state election on Saturday, the twenty 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.480 eighth of November, this really is a campaign with plenty 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:05.720 of national implications because if Victoria continues to fail, it 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:09.600 will be every other state that's forced to bail them out, 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:14.400 and Canbra too. So believe me, even if you don't 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:18.600 live in Victoria, this election matters as much to you 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:27.240 as if you did. Great to be back, I missed 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.120 you all. That's head down to Canberra for the headline 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.400 Skinniest political reporter, Camriddan. 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.520 It is a lasting legacy of the Whitlam government abandoning 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:40.280 pursuit of a white Australia in favor of a multicultural one. 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:42.560 So they opened up and got rid of the wide 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.800 Australia policy. Then they started bringing in the different migrants. 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.520 But over the decades, as the governments have changed and 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.720 different people they've brought in, and a lot of people 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.200 come into Australia purely for the welfare system. 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.280 Fifty three years later, Pauline Hanson's comments on a podcast 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.800 with far right nationalist Tommy Robinson have coincided with her 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:05.760 party's return to equal top spot in newspoll. 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:09.600 Is pelling around with convicted criminals, and then she's saying 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.400 she's all for white Australia and for mass deportations. 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:14.880 Enter the One Nation clean up Crew. 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:18.400 Pauline Hansen does not support the Wide Australia. 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:21.680 Policy, claiming their leader was making an historical point and 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:23.160 was taken out of context. 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.640 She does not support it and she does not want 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:26.120 it back. 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:29.360 As voters ponder what a one nation government might look like, 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:33.160 the Electoral Commission is finalizing boundary changes for various seats. 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.160 As part of that process, a decision to rename two 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.960 electorates has drawn criticism from the Liberal Party for voters. 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.440 In South Australia, the electric name for Gray is changing 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:48.200 to Donohue in honor of the late doctor Blowicher o'donahue, who. 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.320 Was an Indigenous rights trailblazer, but the Liberal member Tom 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:56.080 Venning claims the AEC has ignored community objections. While in Tasmania, the. 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.480 Electorate of Franklin is proposed to be named in honor 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.400 of Tom a Longita Aboriginal leader and. 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:05.000 Warrior, a move opposed by Liberal President Tony Abbott. As 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:06.360 changed by stealth. 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:07.760 This is a bloke. 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.359 Who wanted to give an award to Prince Philip. 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.280 I mean Tonia, but could go and at a psychologist 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:16.320 and reflect on why he gets so obsessed about indigenous issues. 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.520 Not all Liberals are bothered, that's non issue. 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:21.200 On the cross are really concerned about. 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.000 To be honest, Feedback on the Franklin name change can 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:28.960 be laudged until midnight Tuesday, Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra. 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:32.359 All right, we're going in to some of that polling today. 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:36.000 One Nation, of course, regaining the ground at lost last month, 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.880 now sitting level with Labour on a thirty percent priory. 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.399 This is News poll, so a very reputable poll. The 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:45.320 collision is also seen a two point boost. It's still 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.840 well behind though, are nineteen percent. The Prime Minister is 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.359 in the lead, Anthony Abernezy as preferred PM paul In 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:55.119 Hanson sitting ahead of Angers Taylor joining me now to 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.800 discuss this and a whole lot more. Senior fellow at 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:01.440 the Menzies Research Center, Nick Cator and former Liberal MP 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:06.159 Nicole Flint. Welcome to you both. Nick, You've written beautifully 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.760 today in The Australian about the rise of Hanson and 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.680 one Nation. You've really pulled it apart. Your skeptical yes, 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.840 of her long term ability to lead, but you're saying 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:19.480 that she's there and she's strong, and she's continuing to 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:23.639 stay high in the polls because she's filling gaps that 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:25.520 are absent on the right. 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:28.000 Yeah. 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.119 I mean I wrote in The Australian more than a 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:32.679 year ago after the last election that there was a 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:36.520 ferrag shaped hole, if you like, opened up in the electorate. 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.040 You know, more than a third of people voted none 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:42.040 of the above. They were looking for a force like 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.919 reform in the UK to turn to. They didn't appear 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.560 to be one at the time, but since emerged that 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:51.560 it's Pauling Hanson and One Nation. Everybody who voted none 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:55.880 of the above, certainly on the center right, has gravitated 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.560 to one Nation and they're not going away. Peter and 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:02.960 I think the people who think that Pauline Hanson's words 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.840 or actions in the last week or so I go 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:08.600 to spell the end for her. I've read that in 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:12.400 the nine newspapers. They clearly don't understand what she represents. 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:14.600 It's the none of the above vote. It is the 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:17.840 we're sick of the lot of you vote. They've had 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.600 it with the mainstream political parties. It's going to take 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.840 a lot to win them back. And you know, a 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.960 few headlines about Pauline Hanson's in discreet remarks is not 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:30.520 going to budge these polls one iota in my view. 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.439 Yeah, nic I just played those remarks, Nicole Flint. I 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:37.679 just played those remarks at the top of the program. 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:40.680 There was a response. We hear it across most of 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:43.560 the commercial media, but there was also a strong response 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:46.560 today from Green's Senator Sarah Hanson Young. Let's listen. 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:52.159 She will try to slip and slide like the trickiest politician. 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:56.840 And paul and Hanson has been in politics for. 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:59.040 Thirty years, thirty years. 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:02.800 She is true, she's one of the trickiest politicians out there. 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:07.680 She says that she knows exactly what she's doing. Now, 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.119 this is interesting, Nicole, This is coming straight out of 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:14.200 focus groups here, because for a long time they've tried 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.680 to claim that Pauline Hanson was naive, that she was stupid, 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:20.879 that she's sort of a blunt instrument, that she's course 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:23.800 all of those things. Now they're reminding people that she's 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.959 not used. She's been there for thirty years, so you know, 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:30.600 don't just adopt the shiny bright thing, but also that 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:34.960 she's tricky, that she's cunning, that this is all very practiced. 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:37.879 So there's a shift now the Greens are taking her on. 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.280 There's certainly been a shift with the Prime minister. The 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:43.120 coalition I think is still not sure at all how 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:45.840 they play her. Do they attack her, do they leave 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:49.160 her out of the conversation and the mainstream media who 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:53.320 want to sell eyeballs and newspapers, or they're certainly running 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.400 her at the top of their headlines most nights. Give 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:57.800 me all sense of things. 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:02.000 Well, I would trust anything that Greens have to say 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:04.480 to start with Peter, and in terms of people who 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:06.840 have had a very long career in politics, Sarah Hanson 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.600 Young is one of them, so I think that's a 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:11.040 little bit rich coming from her. 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:12.240 Look. 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:15.120 I think also, I would say to viewers, and I'm 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.960 sure they're doing this themselves, have a really careful look 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:20.840 at what the reports are actually saying it and the 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:24.320 allegations that are being made about what Senator Pauline Hanson 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:29.119 says versus perhaps the facts of what she said. I 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:33.280 think that on occasions she doesn't express things as well 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:36.160 as perhaps she could. But when it comes to immigration 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:39.479 in particular, which the current debate seems to be focused around, 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:43.520 we know that she is reflecting the genuine concerns of 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:47.040 a lot of Australians that we have a real problem 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:50.439 with the level of immigration at the moment, with labor 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:52.800 letting in one and a half million people more than 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:55.879 we have living in Adelaide in a few short years, 0:21:56.320 --> 0:22:00.800 that we are welcoming people who don't necessarily share our values, 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:04.879 who don't respect our Judeo Christian values, our Westminster Parliamentary system, 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:08.920 things like equality for women, They don't respect other cultures, 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:13.080 and we have seen that our Jewish Australians in particular 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:18.240 feel really unsafe and that is not an outcome we 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:22.520 want for Australia. So I totally understand why people are 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:26.960 interested in what Senator Hanson has to say, particularly on immigration, 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:29.960 and it's a really big challenge for the Coalition to 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:31.280 get across as well. 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:35.280 And this is of course played out Nick Catur, as 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:37.080 you know in the United Kingdom, it's played out a 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:39.000 little bit in the United States, but I think the 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:43.399 best parallel is in Britain. They pushed away this immigration issue. 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:46.720 They bury the cultural concern, so not just the numbers 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:50.040 coming in, but the change of the culture by some 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:52.480 of the people coming into the country. They've pushed this 0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:54.280 away for many, many years, and now they have this 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:58.560 outbreak with Farage and you know, beyond him and many 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:02.360 others speaking out a big, big problem for the two 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:06.520 major parties over there. You have that playing out in Australia, Nick, 0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:08.919 and the more that you push this away and you 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:13.200 pretend it's not a genuine debate to have it will 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:15.680 just go underground. I mean, I think the genie is 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:17.800 out of the bottle. I think Australians are desperate for 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:21.440 this debate to be had on adult terms, and they 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:26.280 want it to be a fair and genuine and temperate debate, absolutely, 0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:27.879 but they don't want it shut. 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:33.120 Down, no exactly. I mean most Australians, the poly will 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:36.320 show you most Australians are still solidly in favor of immigration. 0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:39.840 Most Australians have no problem with the fact that we 0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:42.720 take migrants from just about every country in the world. 0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:45.720 They do have a problem with those who don't want 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:47.960 to come here and become Australian and want to try 0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:51.080 and turn this country into something else. That's what we 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:53.080 have a problem with. That's what we've got to focus on. 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:55.199 But they do have a problem with the numbers and 0:23:55.240 --> 0:23:58.400 the sense that things are out of control. We don't 0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:01.280 have the illegal migration problem that we had back in 0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:04.280 twenty thirteen when the Gillard government left, thank goodness, but 0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:07.760 we have an equally difficult problem to deal with, and 0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:10.919 that's the number of temporary migrants coming in, particularly on 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:14.359 student visas. People are staying on unbridging visas. That's creating 0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:18.040 this whole pool of three million people in Australia, but 0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:20.840 not part of it on temporary visas of one sort 0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:23.640 and another that didn't used to exist. And that's what's 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:26.040 giving people the sense that this is out of control 0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:28.760 and they simply want it brought back under control and 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:30.960 then they can support the policy again. But this is 0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:33.919 going to play right into one nation's hands. But I 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:36.480 do think that the Coalition have actually been doing well 0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:39.600 on this. I just don't think that they've been necessarily 0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:40.679