Speaker 1: Peter Krendlin live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Chris Kenny. I certainly am I arrested and
Speaker 2: that's dangerous. Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's
Speaker 2: coming up tonight on Kredlin. One Nation draws level with
Speaker 2: Labour in the latest News poll. Improvement too for the coalition.
Speaker 2: In fact, Labour's vote is at its lowest. EBB synth
Speaker 2: Anthony Albert Easy was first elected in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: a massive win for common sense. Child psychiatrist Gillian Spencer
Speaker 2: finally vindicated after four years in her battle with the
Speaker 2: Queensland Children's Hospital just for raising concerns about gender affirming care.
Speaker 2: Doctor Spencer will join me live. One of the alleged
Speaker 2: ISIS connected women, Rayan Lhooley, accused of encouraging her own
Speaker 2: children to act like ISIS fighters, has today been granted bail.
Speaker 2: I'll get you an update on that decision with David Craig,
Speaker 2: formerly of Calls from the AFP, and my reaction to
Speaker 2: from the fallout from Pauline Hanson's so called endorsement of
Speaker 2: the Wide Australia Policy. At least that's what some in
Speaker 2: the media want to call.
Speaker 3: It started in nineteen seventy three with Gough Whitlam, so
Speaker 3: they opened up and got rid of the Wide Australia policy.
Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen does not support the Wide Australia policy.
Speaker 4: I find it astonishing that Pauline Hanson has traveled overseas
Speaker 4: in order to denigrate and talk down Australia.
Speaker 2: We'll stay with that issue because I land back in
Speaker 2: the country late last week after a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: on leaving Europe. After, of course, I finished up at
Speaker 2: the conference, the ARC Conference in Britain, and there's nothing
Speaker 2: like being away from the country. You love to get
Speaker 2: some perspective about how it's fairing when compared with others. Now,
Speaker 2: you were there with me in London virtually on the ground.
Speaker 2: I was there for ten days hosting this program out
Speaker 2: of London while I attended the annual ARC Conference, which
Speaker 2: brought to you together thinkers and leaders from around the
Speaker 2: world who care about where Western civilizations headed. And everyone
Speaker 2: was asking themselves what can be done to deal with
Speaker 2: the erosion of culture and confidence in our countries as
Speaker 2: well as arrest the institutional decay that has been led
Speaker 2: for decades now by the left. Now by far and away.
Speaker 2: The biggest issue raised with me while away was immigration,
Speaker 2: not just concern about the massive influx of illegal arrivals
Speaker 2: across the English Channel, but also large scale legal migration
Speaker 2: coupled with a lack of integration of new arrivals over time.
Speaker 2: People told me this had led to the loss of
Speaker 2: British culture and tradition. And everywhere I looked there was
Speaker 2: evidence of a country in decline. High streets just full
Speaker 2: of vape bars and nail bars, four lease signs, areas
Speaker 2: where English was the second language, Streets where the Union
Speaker 2: jack was seen as a symbol of colonial division, no
Speaker 2: longer a flag of national unity. I was there too
Speaker 2: on the day that yet another British Prime Minister resigned,
Speaker 2: this one only two years into his first term after
Speaker 2: a record win, and tonight we'll see his successor. Andy Burnham,
Speaker 2: arrived shortly at Downing Street, which makes him the UK's
Speaker 2: fifth Prime minister in just four years, the seventh in
Speaker 2: a decade, and in so many respects, what I saw
Speaker 2: and heard overseas mirrored the sort of concerns that so
Speaker 2: many of you have here in Australia about where we
Speaker 2: are headed about our country in Britain too, as in
Speaker 2: Melbourne and other parts of Australia, crime is on the rise,
Speaker 2: particularly violent crime. But more than crime, it was the
Speaker 2: simple disrespect that struck me most. I saw people urinating
Speaker 2: in the street, people vandalizing seats on the tube, people
Speaker 2: spitting on the footpath, phones literally snatched out of someone's
Speaker 2: hands as they walked along a major tourist road in London.
Speaker 2: Among the experts and the politicians I interviewed in the UK,
Speaker 2: for me, two of my guests in particular stood out.
Speaker 2: The first was that former detective from Scotland Yard, an
Speaker 2: expert encounter terrorism, who warned against accepting any ISIS brides
Speaker 2: back into Australia. She said Britain's long experience with terrorism
Speaker 2: meant that they were too much of a risk ever
Speaker 2: to let return.
Speaker 5: At the end of the day, they were risks to
Speaker 5: national security, and I think everyone would say, in an
Speaker 5: ideal world, we would bring them back and we would
Speaker 5: put them through the criminal justice process, you know, because
Speaker 5: they're innocent until proven guilty. However, when you're talking about
Speaker 5: what we're talking talking about and where it happened and
Speaker 5: things like that, you don't necessarily have that evidence that
Speaker 5: can be used in a court place.
Speaker 2: My second guest that was memorable was the very brave
Speaker 2: Muslim academic from the UAA Armjita here who said Australia
Speaker 2: must start burying its collective head and sand over radical Islam.
Speaker 2: Give me your reaction to what you saw happened in Sydney,
Speaker 2: but also advice you'd have for politicians about radical Islam.
Speaker 6: Radical islamis which is led mainly by the Muslim brotherhood
Speaker 6: all around the world, have been allowed to act in
Speaker 6: such a way, in such a manner where every time
Speaker 6: you try to criticize them, they want to make it
Speaker 6: expensive for you and I and everyone, including even members
Speaker 6: of the Parliament, members of the Congress, they want to
Speaker 6: make it very expensive for them. Muslim Brotherhoods just still
Speaker 6: exist in the books in some universities and some schools
Speaker 6: and even some mosques inside Australia. Do not tolerate people
Speaker 6: who do not tolerate you, and treat your country like
Speaker 6: your home and treat the citizens like your children.
Speaker 2: On the Muslim Brotherhood, he said, this.
Speaker 6: Band band, the Muslim Brotherhood, you cannot you know, this
Speaker 6: is a problem some people in Australia, and so they're
Speaker 6: trying to be more Muslim than I. You will not
Speaker 6: be more Arab than I. You will not be more
Speaker 6: Muslim than me. And I'm telling you band the Muslim Brotherhood,
Speaker 6: there you go.
Speaker 2: And in particular relevance to weakened announcements by Anthony Albanezi
Speaker 2: on Islamophobia, this proud Muslim man.
Speaker 6: Said, this moment they criticize those Islamis, those Muslim Brotherhood,
Speaker 6: they will call them Islamophobia. But that terminology itself, it
Speaker 6: was creating by the Muslim Brotherhood's writer, call islamis.
Speaker 2: Remember that when we discuss the Prime Minister's response, his
Speaker 2: press conference on Saturday was very interesting. He announced his
Speaker 2: government's response to the report of his Special Envoy on Islamophobia.
Speaker 2: Of course, Muslim Australians have the same right as all
Speaker 2: of us to be respected and safe, but that does
Speaker 2: not mean that Islam's above criticism, especially those variants of
Speaker 2: Islam that promote a global caliphate or Sharia law. The
Speaker 2: basic problem that Albanezer khn Or won't face because of
Speaker 2: growing Muslim votes in some key Labour seats is that
Speaker 2: some forms of Islam are incompatible with life in a liberal,
Speaker 2: pluralist democracy, which brings me to Istanbul, where I stopped
Speaker 2: over for a few days before I landed back home.
Speaker 2: I wanted to tour all the historic sites and learn
Speaker 2: as much as I can good, so I engaged a
Speaker 2: tour guide, a young Muslim woman whom I discovered was
Speaker 2: studying a PhD in religious faith and not only spoke
Speaker 2: Turkish and English, but also Arabic and incredibly was studying
Speaker 2: Hebrew as well. Now, her respect for both the Christian
Speaker 2: and Jewish faiths along with her own was a real surprise.
Speaker 2: Having grown up close to the Syrian border, she had
Speaker 2: seen more of the wars and the Islamic state contagion
Speaker 2: than most of us will ever know. She opened a
Speaker 2: window for me into the plight of young Turkish women,
Speaker 2: her fear the loss of Mustafa Kamal Ada Turk's secular
Speaker 2: Turkey due to the Erduwan regimes increasing accommodation of religious dictates,
Speaker 2: such as the growing adoption of Islamic dress, which over
Speaker 2: one hundred years ago under Ada Turk, the founder of
Speaker 2: modern Turkey, had been at discouraged now. For too long,
Speaker 2: politicians in both major parties have refused to address legitimate
Speaker 2: concerns about immigration and it's more than just the numbers.
Speaker 2: Australians are in veterate travelers because we want to experience
Speaker 2: the unique cultures of different countries. I went to Greece
Speaker 2: because I wanted to be in the Greek culture. I
Speaker 2: go to Italy because I love the Italian culture. When
Speaker 2: we travel, we want to experience the culture of the
Speaker 2: country we are in, and in doing so, most of
Speaker 2: us return home even more determined than ever to cherish
Speaker 2: and protect what we have here in Australia. But we
Speaker 2: cannot protect a culture that official doom wants to replace
Speaker 2: with no culture at all. And that's what multiculturalism amounts to,
Speaker 2: a hotch potch of mixed cultures that dilute the unique
Speaker 2: heritage of our own country. Now, make no mistake, I'm
Speaker 2: not saying we shut the door and reject migrants. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that I am myself the descendant of migrants
Speaker 2: from the eighteen fifties. We are an immigrant country, we
Speaker 2: are a multi ethnic country, but I do not accept
Speaker 2: that we are a multiculture. Now. I know there are
Speaker 2: politicians who want to try and shut down this debate
Speaker 2: about multiculturalism, but as hard as they might, they will
Speaker 2: not make it go away, not now. I know that.
Speaker 1: You know that.
Speaker 2: In a united and cohesive country there has to be
Speaker 2: a core culture, something singular and Australian that unites us all.
Speaker 2: Otherwise we're no longer a nation of people, but a
Speaker 2: land of mere tribes. If that happens, Believe me, it
Speaker 2: is the beginning of the end. Now. For a long time,
Speaker 2: as you know, I have been a strong, staunch supporter
Speaker 2: of Victorian MP moy Redeeming. I had not even met
Speaker 2: her when I defended her right to speak at a
Speaker 2: rally and support of single sex spaces for women and girls.
Speaker 2: I could not believe then that the simple actor defending
Speaker 2: our biological rights could be so controversial with some liberals,
Speaker 2: but it was. It was with some, including her then
Speaker 2: leader John Pezzuto. Deeming was wrongly accused and poorly treated
Speaker 2: by him and others. So I defended her. I stood
Speaker 2: by her when she tried to get an apology from
Speaker 2: him and the then party president Phil Davis, but that
Speaker 2: was rejected, and I was in her corner when she
Speaker 2: eventually took him on in the federal court and she
Speaker 2: won her defamation case, but in refusing to apologize to
Speaker 2: Matthew Guy over a claim of rough treatment. They had
Speaker 2: no base. This is, in fact, as the CCT footage
Speaker 2: makes clear, Deeming has done to him, to Matthew Guy,
Speaker 2: or Perzuto did to her.
Speaker 7: More redeeming owes me a public apology. I'm owed an
Speaker 7: apology by the Premier and the Attorney General. My family, name,
Speaker 7: my reputation is not a political toy. No one's is.
Speaker 2: In politics, as in life, when you get it wrong,
Speaker 2: you own up and you apologize. That's what you do.
Speaker 2: You apologize, and if you don't, you bear the consequences,
Speaker 2: as John Perzuto did, and now as Moira Deeming has
Speaker 2: no longer as a Friday Night An endorsed Liberal Party
Speaker 2: candidate for the must win state election in November. As
Speaker 2: a lawyer, I've never subscribed to the view that every
Speaker 2: woman must be believed. No, no, every woman and every
Speaker 2: man is entitled only to be heard. The question of
Speaker 2: being believed is one for our justice system, be that
Speaker 2: a judge or a jury. Now, as to the future,
Speaker 2: I sincerely wish Moira, her husband Andrew, and their kids
Speaker 2: all the very best. There's no doubt she's had a
Speaker 2: very turbulent few years in the public eye. Her pre
Speaker 2: selection win at the top of the Liberal Party ticket
Speaker 2: in March was a chance for her to reset. It's
Speaker 2: sad that she's now squandered that, but in the end,
Speaker 2: politics is about character and it's about temperament. Jess Wilson
Speaker 2: has certainly handled this difficult issue better than her predecessors,
Speaker 2: and that bodes well for November. But please, now, can
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party just get back to doing everything it
Speaker 2: can to say Victoria from another four years of the
Speaker 2: worst labor government in his life street. The state is
Speaker 2: on its knees financially, capital is fleeing Victoria. Businesses are
Speaker 2: going bust. Crime is out of control, so too is
Speaker 2: corruption at every level. Victoria is an embarrassment inter state
Speaker 2: and voters just want the internal carry on to stop
Speaker 2: and for the focus rightly to be on them. For years,
Speaker 2: for too long a weak Liberal opposition let Daniel Andrews
Speaker 2: get away with murder politically speaking, now, this cannot happen
Speaker 2: again under Andrews's deputy in our Premier, just Int Allen.
Speaker 2: This is Victoria's last chance to save itself and to
Speaker 2: be honest for the Liberals as well. If they can't
Speaker 2: beat a labor outfit this bad, this rotten. Then what
Speaker 2: hope is there for the party longer term? With four
Speaker 2: months now until the state election on Saturday, the twenty
Speaker 2: eighth of November, this really is a campaign with plenty
Speaker 2: of national implications because if Victoria continues to fail, it
Speaker 2: will be every other state that's forced to bail them out,
Speaker 2: and Canbra too. So believe me, even if you don't
Speaker 2: live in Victoria, this election matters as much to you
Speaker 2: as if you did. Great to be back, I missed
Speaker 2: you all. That's head down to Canberra for the headline
Speaker 2: Skinniest political reporter, Camriddan.
Speaker 8: It is a lasting legacy of the Whitlam government abandoning
Speaker 8: pursuit of a white Australia in favor of a multicultural one.
Speaker 3: So they opened up and got rid of the wide
Speaker 3: Australia policy. Then they started bringing in the different migrants.
Speaker 3: But over the decades, as the governments have changed and
Speaker 3: different people they've brought in, and a lot of people
Speaker 3: come into Australia purely for the welfare system.
Speaker 8: Fifty three years later, Pauline Hanson's comments on a podcast
Speaker 8: with far right nationalist Tommy Robinson have coincided with her
Speaker 8: party's return to equal top spot in newspoll.
Speaker 9: Is pelling around with convicted criminals, and then she's saying
Speaker 9: she's all for white Australia and for mass deportations.
Speaker 8: Enter the One Nation clean up Crew.
Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen does not support the Wide Australia.
Speaker 8: Policy, claiming their leader was making an historical point and
Speaker 8: was taken out of context.
Speaker 2: She does not support it and she does not want
Speaker 2: it back.
Speaker 8: As voters ponder what a one nation government might look like,
Speaker 8: the Electoral Commission is finalizing boundary changes for various seats.
Speaker 8: As part of that process, a decision to rename two
Speaker 8: electorates has drawn criticism from the Liberal Party for voters.
Speaker 10: In South Australia, the electric name for Gray is changing
Speaker 10: to Donohue in honor of the late doctor Blowicher o'donahue, who.
Speaker 8: Was an Indigenous rights trailblazer, but the Liberal member Tom
Speaker 8: Venning claims the AEC has ignored community objections. While in Tasmania, the.
Speaker 2: Electorate of Franklin is proposed to be named in honor
Speaker 2: of Tom a Longita Aboriginal leader and.
Speaker 8: Warrior, a move opposed by Liberal President Tony Abbott. As
Speaker 8: changed by stealth.
Speaker 2: This is a bloke.
Speaker 11: Who wanted to give an award to Prince Philip.
Speaker 8: I mean Tonia, but could go and at a psychologist
Speaker 8: and reflect on why he gets so obsessed about indigenous issues.
Speaker 8: Not all Liberals are bothered, that's non issue.
Speaker 1: On the cross are really concerned about.
Speaker 8: To be honest, Feedback on the Franklin name change can
Speaker 8: be laudged until midnight Tuesday, Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
Speaker 2: All right, we're going in to some of that polling today.
Speaker 2: One Nation, of course, regaining the ground at lost last month,
Speaker 2: now sitting level with Labour on a thirty percent priory.
Speaker 2: This is News poll, so a very reputable poll. The
Speaker 2: collision is also seen a two point boost. It's still
Speaker 2: well behind though, are nineteen percent. The Prime Minister is
Speaker 2: in the lead, Anthony Abernezy as preferred PM paul In
Speaker 2: Hanson sitting ahead of Angers Taylor joining me now to
Speaker 2: discuss this and a whole lot more. Senior fellow at
Speaker 2: the Menzies Research Center, Nick Cator and former Liberal MP
Speaker 2: Nicole Flint. Welcome to you both. Nick, You've written beautifully
Speaker 2: today in The Australian about the rise of Hanson and
Speaker 2: one Nation. You've really pulled it apart. Your skeptical yes,
Speaker 2: of her long term ability to lead, but you're saying
Speaker 2: that she's there and she's strong, and she's continuing to
Speaker 2: stay high in the polls because she's filling gaps that
Speaker 2: are absent on the right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean I wrote in The Australian more than a
Speaker 4: year ago after the last election that there was a
Speaker 4: ferrag shaped hole, if you like, opened up in the electorate.
Speaker 4: You know, more than a third of people voted none
Speaker 4: of the above. They were looking for a force like
Speaker 4: reform in the UK to turn to. They didn't appear
Speaker 4: to be one at the time, but since emerged that
Speaker 4: it's Pauling Hanson and One Nation. Everybody who voted none
Speaker 4: of the above, certainly on the center right, has gravitated
Speaker 4: to one Nation and they're not going away. Peter and
Speaker 4: I think the people who think that Pauline Hanson's words
Speaker 4: or actions in the last week or so I go
Speaker 4: to spell the end for her. I've read that in
Speaker 4: the nine newspapers. They clearly don't understand what she represents.
Speaker 4: It's the none of the above vote. It is the
Speaker 4: we're sick of the lot of you vote. They've had
Speaker 4: it with the mainstream political parties. It's going to take
Speaker 4: a lot to win them back. And you know, a
Speaker 4: few headlines about Pauline Hanson's in discreet remarks is not
Speaker 4: going to budge these polls one iota in my view.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nic I just played those remarks, Nicole Flint. I
Speaker 2: just played those remarks at the top of the program.
Speaker 2: There was a response. We hear it across most of
Speaker 2: the commercial media, but there was also a strong response
Speaker 2: today from Green's Senator Sarah Hanson Young. Let's listen.
Speaker 11: She will try to slip and slide like the trickiest politician.
Speaker 11: And paul and Hanson has been in politics for.
Speaker 8: Thirty years, thirty years.
Speaker 1: She is true, she's one of the trickiest politicians out there.
Speaker 2: She says that she knows exactly what she's doing. Now,
Speaker 2: this is interesting, Nicole, This is coming straight out of
Speaker 2: focus groups here, because for a long time they've tried
Speaker 2: to claim that Pauline Hanson was naive, that she was stupid,
Speaker 2: that she's sort of a blunt instrument, that she's course
Speaker 2: all of those things. Now they're reminding people that she's
Speaker 2: not used. She's been there for thirty years, so you know,
Speaker 2: don't just adopt the shiny bright thing, but also that
Speaker 2: she's tricky, that she's cunning, that this is all very practiced.
Speaker 2: So there's a shift now the Greens are taking her on.
Speaker 2: There's certainly been a shift with the Prime minister. The
Speaker 2: coalition I think is still not sure at all how
Speaker 2: they play her. Do they attack her, do they leave
Speaker 2: her out of the conversation and the mainstream media who
Speaker 2: want to sell eyeballs and newspapers, or they're certainly running
Speaker 2: her at the top of their headlines most nights. Give
Speaker 2: me all sense of things.
Speaker 9: Well, I would trust anything that Greens have to say
Speaker 9: to start with Peter, and in terms of people who
Speaker 9: have had a very long career in politics, Sarah Hanson
Speaker 9: Young is one of them, so I think that's a
Speaker 9: little bit rich coming from her.
Speaker 1: Look.
Speaker 9: I think also, I would say to viewers, and I'm
Speaker 9: sure they're doing this themselves, have a really careful look
Speaker 9: at what the reports are actually saying it and the
Speaker 9: allegations that are being made about what Senator Pauline Hanson
Speaker 9: says versus perhaps the facts of what she said. I
Speaker 9: think that on occasions she doesn't express things as well
Speaker 9: as perhaps she could. But when it comes to immigration
Speaker 9: in particular, which the current debate seems to be focused around,
Speaker 9: we know that she is reflecting the genuine concerns of
Speaker 9: a lot of Australians that we have a real problem
Speaker 9: with the level of immigration at the moment, with labor
Speaker 9: letting in one and a half million people more than
Speaker 9: we have living in Adelaide in a few short years,
Speaker 9: that we are welcoming people who don't necessarily share our values,
Speaker 9: who don't respect our Judeo Christian values, our Westminster Parliamentary system,
Speaker 9: things like equality for women, They don't respect other cultures,
Speaker 9: and we have seen that our Jewish Australians in particular
Speaker 9: feel really unsafe and that is not an outcome we
Speaker 9: want for Australia. So I totally understand why people are
Speaker 9: interested in what Senator Hanson has to say, particularly on immigration,
Speaker 9: and it's a really big challenge for the Coalition to
Speaker 9: get across as well.
Speaker 2: And this is of course played out Nick Catur, as
Speaker 2: you know in the United Kingdom, it's played out a
Speaker 2: little bit in the United States, but I think the
Speaker 2: best parallel is in Britain. They pushed away this immigration issue.
Speaker 2: They bury the cultural concern, so not just the numbers
Speaker 2: coming in, but the change of the culture by some
Speaker 2: of the people coming into the country. They've pushed this
Speaker 2: away for many, many years, and now they have this
Speaker 2: outbreak with Farage and you know, beyond him and many
Speaker 2: others speaking out a big, big problem for the two
Speaker 2: major parties over there. You have that playing out in Australia, Nick,
Speaker 2: and the more that you push this away and you
Speaker 2: pretend it's not a genuine debate to have it will
Speaker 2: just go underground. I mean, I think the genie is
Speaker 2: out of the bottle. I think Australians are desperate for
Speaker 2: this debate to be had on adult terms, and they
Speaker 2: want it to be a fair and genuine and temperate debate, absolutely,
Speaker 2: but they don't want it shut.
Speaker 4: Down, no exactly. I mean most Australians, the poly will
Speaker 4: show you most Australians are still solidly in favor of immigration.
Speaker 4: Most Australians have no problem with the fact that we
Speaker 4: take migrants from just about every country in the world.
Speaker 4: They do have a problem with those who don't want
Speaker 4: to come here and become Australian and want to try
Speaker 4: and turn this country into something else. That's what we
Speaker 4: have a problem with. That's what we've got to focus on.
Speaker 4: But they do have a problem with the numbers and
Speaker 4: the sense that things are out of control. We don't
Speaker 4: have the illegal migration problem that we had back in
Speaker 4: twenty thirteen when the Gillard government left, thank goodness, but
Speaker 4: we have an equally difficult problem to deal with, and
Speaker 4: that's the number of temporary migrants coming in, particularly on
Speaker 4: student visas. People are staying on unbridging visas. That's creating
Speaker 4: this whole pool of three million people in Australia, but
Speaker 4: not part of it on temporary visas of one sort
Speaker 4: and another that didn't used to exist. And that's what's
Speaker 4: giving people the sense that this is out of control
Speaker 4: and they simply want it brought back under control and
Speaker 4: then they can support the policy again. But this is
Speaker 4: going to play right into one nation's hands. But I
Speaker 4: do think that the Coalition have actually been doing well
Speaker 4: on this. I just don't think that they've been necessarily
Speaker 4: heard above the noise.
Speaker 2: Right, A quick one for both of you before I go,
Speaker 2: Nick Cata these revelations today. I started the top of
Speaker 2: the program talking about you know what I had observed overseas.
Speaker 2: But I also then talked about Victoria and why the
Speaker 2: Victorians stayed election in November. Is actually an election that
Speaker 2: everyone in Australia should care about because if Victoria continues
Speaker 2: to fail, every Australian will wear the consequences. These revelations
Speaker 2: that the former Victorian Labor Treasurer Tim Pallace has sought
Speaker 2: a federal government bailout on a rescue plan in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four only just underscores these problems.
Speaker 4: Well they do, because you know, I mean, the Victorian
Speaker 4: government is claiming that it's financially secure and the rest,
Speaker 4: but it has the largest borrowing capital any state, any
Speaker 4: per capita of any state in the country. Spending is
Speaker 4: out of control. It's giving money away to the Scots
Speaker 4: for good's sake that run the Commonwealth games. But at
Speaker 4: the bottom line is if the state of Victoria goes broke,
Speaker 4: it is the Commonwealth that boils it out. It is
Speaker 4: the rest of us and so this will have an
Speaker 4: It's already have an enormous impact on our economy more broadly,
Speaker 4: but it will have a direct impact. If Victoria gets
Speaker 4: into such trouble then it needs a bailout and that's
Speaker 4: not entirely off the cards right now.
Speaker 2: Peter, just a quick comment, Nicole, I know you're a
Speaker 2: strong supporter too of moirademing decision on Friday night to
Speaker 2: disendorse her.
Speaker 9: Look, Peter, heard your comments at the start of the show.
Speaker 9: I agree with them completely, and you've been incredibly gracious
Speaker 9: because you, more than anyone, gave more incredible support. I've
Speaker 9: been bewildered and perplexed by what's unfolded over the past
Speaker 9: couple of weeks, but certainly the Victorian Liberal Party has
Speaker 9: made the only decision that it could. It's deeply disappointing
Speaker 9: and I just hope for the sake of all Victorians
Speaker 9: and for Jess Wilson, who's doing such a great job,
Speaker 9: that the State Libs can just focus right now on
Speaker 9: the election and getting rid of this appalling state labor government.
Speaker 2: Good to see you both, Thank you very much. Well,
Speaker 2: let's go now to London. Andy Burnham set to become
Speaker 2: the latest UK Prime Minister in just a couple of
Speaker 2: hours now, the fifth such PM in just four years.
Speaker 2: You recall I was there when Starmer stepped down and
Speaker 2: Burnham had just been elected in a by election, so
Speaker 2: not so surprising. Up here behind me on the other
Speaker 2: side of the Thames is the Houses of Parliament, and
Speaker 2: of course they'll have a new Prime Minister at the
Speaker 2: dispatch box there after. Kis Darma dispatched himself this morning.
Speaker 2: We all think it'll be Andy Burnham. Looks like he
Speaker 2: will stand unopposed. Well spot on, there you go within
Speaker 2: a couple of hours and said it would be Burnham.
Speaker 2: And it is joining me now, Spiked Online editor Tom Slater. Tom,
Speaker 2: we're watching Downing Street here in Australia. We expect that
Speaker 2: speech from Starma. Two years into a five year term,
Speaker 2: his first term landslide win, he's gone. In comes Andy Burnham.
Speaker 2: He made a speech when he assumed the Labor leadership
Speaker 2: on the weekend. Today, of course he becomes Prime Minister
Speaker 2: in a process very similar to ours here. What did
Speaker 2: you make make though of the weekend's speech?
Speaker 12: It was totally underwhelming, Peter. It was all vibes and
Speaker 12: no substance. But that's what we've come to expect from
Speaker 12: Andy Burnham. This is a man not unlike Kirs Starmer,
Speaker 12: who is quite clear that he wants to be Prime minister.
Speaker 12: Beyond that, it's not entirely clear what he wants to
Speaker 12: do with the country. The man's a sort of human
Speaker 12: wind sock, really, and the only difference I think we'll
Speaker 12: get from Kirs Starmer is it will dress a bit
Speaker 12: more casually and he can speak human much better than
Speaker 12: the very robotic a anoidal Starmer could. And also, of
Speaker 12: course the fact that whilst our own system means that
Speaker 12: he is effectively our prime minister is selected by Parliament
Speaker 12: rather than the people, the fact that we do have
Speaker 12: a prime minister coming in who has no mandate whatsoever,
Speaker 12: isn't going for a general election, also isn't even going
Speaker 12: to have the scrutiny of Parliament for another six weeks
Speaker 12: because it's going to be in its summer recess. I
Speaker 12: think speaks to the fact that he's basically be given
Speaker 12: a blank check. We don't really know what he's going
Speaker 12: to do, and I don't think many people in the
Speaker 12: country are holding out much hope that we're going to
Speaker 12: see some great break with the dysfunction and the terrible,
Speaker 12: the mercifully short reign of his predecessor.
Speaker 2: Talk to me about the murder of Anne Wintercombe. Over
Speaker 2: the weekend. A suspect was named Joshua Kerry police were
Speaker 2: basically saying there was nothing to see here in the
Speaker 2: first instance, random attach sort of thing. But now, of
Speaker 2: course we know that counter terrorism police are considering that
Speaker 2: there is a left wing motive here.
Speaker 12: Yes, and the details so far are relatively scant, But
Speaker 12: what we do know is that this is the twenty
Speaker 12: eight year old who was arrested, the fact that he
Speaker 12: made that almost three hundred mile journey down to Anne
Speaker 12: Widcomb's home in Dartmoor, and that in terms of political motive,
Speaker 12: that is obviously the big question. There is some reporting
Speaker 12: in the Sun today that some communist or Soviet material
Speaker 12: was found on his laptop. There's also some speculation about
Speaker 12: the political views of some members in his family. But
Speaker 12: it's still a bit of a black box. I think
Speaker 12: the police would do well to be as transparent as possible,
Speaker 12: as you say. Came out at the blocks very early
Speaker 12: saying don't speculate, we don't think there's a political motive,
Speaker 12: although we're also not ruling it out, only for counter
Speaker 12: terror police to take over and announce that this was,
Speaker 12: as it looked like to anyone, a targeted attack. So
Speaker 12: still a lot of questions that need to be answered.
Speaker 12: But I just would hope that the police would stop
Speaker 12: going along this route of trying to police what people
Speaker 12: can say about the murder, rather than focusing on the investigation.
Speaker 12: We've had far too much of.
Speaker 1: That so far.
Speaker 2: Amount of time. I was going to ask you about
Speaker 2: the calm Games and hope that Laswegians are grateful for that,
Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of dollars from ditridden Victoria. But I'll
Speaker 2: get to that tomorrow night with Sophie Elsware. Thank you
Speaker 2: very much, all right, coming out soon, we'll go to
Speaker 2: the courts in Melbourne, the Melbourne Nagratives Court, where a
Speaker 2: decision today was made to grant bail to another woman
Speaker 2: linked to ISIS whose return to Australia. Plus forget the
Speaker 2: clear eyeview on terrorism, Labour faces pressure to adopt the
Speaker 2: troubling recommendations from its own Islamophobia envoy. Welcome back, coming out.
Speaker 2: Victory Finally for the psychiatrist whose career was almost destroyed
Speaker 2: as a result of Australia's deeply polarizing gender debate. The magnificent
Speaker 2: doctor Gillian Spencer joins me live shortly first today, one
Speaker 2: of the women accused of joining Islamic state Rayan Lhooley
Speaker 2: was granted bail by a Victorian court. The decision comes
Speaker 2: after shocking evidence that she allegedly filmed her own children
Speaker 2: learning violent jihad. Our reporter Jack Nihoff was at the
Speaker 2: Melbourne Magistrates Court for the decision and he joins me now, Jack, welcome,
Speaker 2: just take us through. Remind us again of Alholy's background
Speaker 2: and the chargers and why today the magistrate decided to
Speaker 2: grant her bail.
Speaker 13: The magistrate breast Sonnet granting bail. He decided that there
Speaker 13: was a relatively low risk of re offending. Exceptional circumstances
Speaker 13: was the basis of this, with a number of factors
Speaker 13: now not the total list, but they do include the
Speaker 13: possibility of a delay which could see her served more
Speaker 13: time in remand than what a possible sentence would deliver.
Speaker 13: Another factor was mental hell. She had been diagnosed with
Speaker 13: PTSD and she had four children as well who were
Speaker 13: dependent on her. She's been charged with two offenses. One
Speaker 13: is being a member of a terrorist organization, the second
Speaker 13: is traveling to a declared terrorist zone. Both of those
Speaker 13: carry maximum sentences of ten years. Was twenty fourteen when
Speaker 13: she left Australia with two children, and her Islamic state
Speaker 13: fired her husband to go to Syria. He later died.
Speaker 13: She had two children while in Syria, but it was
Speaker 13: September last year when she returned with her four children
Speaker 13: to enjoy the Australian way of life, and they did
Speaker 13: so for eight months before federal police swooped in in
Speaker 13: a morning raid back in May, arresting her and charging
Speaker 13: her with those two offenses. Now, the police prosecutor arguing
Speaker 13: that they felt that there was a risk to the
Speaker 13: public if she was bailed. They didn't believe that her
Speaker 13: views had changed, and the court also heard this evidence
Speaker 13: of video from Australian Federal Police allegedly showing her showing
Speaker 13: her children Isis propaganda and telling them that non believers
Speaker 13: would burn in hell fire. Now, her defense barrister obviously
Speaker 13: defending that, saying that she did not believe in radical
Speaker 13: g harden. She just wanted to get on with her life.
Speaker 13: So she's been bailed a number of bail conditions. Quite
Speaker 13: a long list, but some of them include attending a
Speaker 13: deradicalization program. She's only allowed to have one device, one phone,
Speaker 13: and has to hand over her passwords, a ban on
Speaker 13: messaging apps, a ban on social media or her travel
Speaker 13: documents need to be handed in. She's not allowed to
Speaker 13: leave the state or even leave the country either. Her
Speaker 13: brother has handed in a fifty thousand dollars bail surety.
Speaker 13: Of course, this is going to be a very complicated
Speaker 13: and long criminal trial and it's back in court Peter
Speaker 13: in September.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jack. Let's bring in now former Australian Federal
Speaker 2: Police Detective Superintendent David Craig. David, I want to talk
Speaker 2: to you about the report over the weekend, the government's response,
Speaker 2: I should say, to the Islamophobia Envoys report, but first
Speaker 2: I want your reaction to that decision. Today police opposed
Speaker 2: her release on bail. She was released, though your reaction.
Speaker 10: My first reaction is at least there are some bail conditions.
Speaker 10: My second take on that is that that's not nearly
Speaker 10: far enough. If the allegations are true, then this person
Speaker 10: should be watched twenty four to seven and there needs
Speaker 10: to be a federal control order monitoring that person twenty
Speaker 10: four to seven, I think Peter, without criticizing the court,
Speaker 10: I'm sure Synod or whatever his name was, thought about this.
Speaker 10: But the fact is she's been accused of showing it
Speaker 10: radical material to children. She's been told that encourage to
Speaker 10: children to replicate isis fighters. Those can both be replicated
Speaker 10: in the home right here, right now. There's no reason
Speaker 10: that that offense couldn't reoccur. She's also attempted to recruit
Speaker 10: family members and these are all allegations and they may
Speaker 10: be absolutely incorrect. But she could also do that from
Speaker 10: her home now as well. So it's like she won't
Speaker 10: be able to continue with the same offenses for which
Speaker 10: she was charged. But I think the court is throwing
Speaker 10: her and her children to the lines. As far as
Speaker 10: a possibility of reoffending for new offenses that are very
Speaker 10: similar to what she's been charged with.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to do some digging around on deradicalization programs.
Speaker 2: I looked into them very much when I was in
Speaker 2: the UK. I've done a bit of research here if
Speaker 2: I haven't got enough to put it to air yet,
Speaker 2: but I'll come back to them because that was also
Speaker 2: a requirement of her bail. But I just want to
Speaker 2: ask before we move to other things. I thought you
Speaker 2: had to show your face in court.
Speaker 10: Look, I think it comes down to the presiding magistrate
Speaker 10: presiding worship over the court for those rules, Peter. From
Speaker 10: a federal perspective is different to a state and this
Speaker 10: was being heard in the state court.
Speaker 2: All right, I'll find out more on that one as well.
Speaker 2: Let's go to that report by the Prime Minister. The
Speaker 2: response by the Prime Minister to the report of his
Speaker 2: Islamophobia Envoy. It was released on Saturday. It wasn't everything
Speaker 2: that was adopted by the government, certainly a lot was.
Speaker 2: There was significant funding provided as well. Today, though the
Speaker 2: nation's mrms and other Muslim leaders are pressuring the government
Speaker 2: to accept the report Aftab Malex report in full. The
Speaker 2: government said that that except thirty five of fifty three recommendations,
Speaker 2: give me your sense of things, David on the report,
Speaker 2: but also the funding because the quantum there is significant,
Speaker 2: sixty five million dollars.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's I think that this is an absolute folly, Peter.
Speaker 10: I can't believe that this would be accepted. I thought
Speaker 10: that Marlik was going to put together a fairly astute
Speaker 10: report and not just a pro Muslim report. I mean,
Speaker 10: I'm very disappointed that he could have done a lot better.
Speaker 10: He could have done a lot better. I mean, fifteen
Speaker 10: million dollars for a Muslim community center. Now, what's the
Speaker 10: Muslim sports center? I mean, how is that going to
Speaker 10: help islamophobia? For every other religion or atheist that goes
Speaker 10: past the fifteen million dollar Muslim only sports center. How
Speaker 10: is that helping social cohesion. It's a ridiculous thing. They're
Speaker 10: saying also that they're going to increase the security by
Speaker 10: forty two million dollars for community and security for mosques.
Speaker 10: That's in addition to the twenty five million already given
Speaker 10: in the current budget. So we're spending sixty seven million
Speaker 10: dollars on Muslim community services and security for mosques. It
Speaker 10: does not sound like it's really worth it when you
Speaker 10: look at the number of attacks that are occurring in
Speaker 10: religious places. They're not happening in mosques. They're happening in synagogues.
Speaker 10: They're happening in churches more of from than they're happening
Speaker 10: in mosques. They're also asked to rewrite the school curriculum
Speaker 10: about to educate people about Islamophobia, etc. But that's only
Speaker 10: for the state based police, state based schools, the ACRA schools.
Speaker 10: That doesn't apply to Islamic schools. They're not meant to
Speaker 10: be taught about social cohesion. It's only all the other schools.
Speaker 10: I think it's very one eyed. It's myopic and it
Speaker 10: won't help. Oh sorry. There's also arsery training for AFP
Speaker 10: officers for Islamic training as well as for parliamentarians. Now
Speaker 10: I can tell you, as having been in the AFP
Speaker 10: for a substantial period of time, there is already a
Speaker 10: lot of cross cultural training down. The last thing the
Speaker 10: AFP needs now, the last thing the Australian community needs
Speaker 10: now is pulling more frontline officers off to tick some
Speaker 10: box for some additional training which they've had in depth anyway.
Speaker 10: And where are the AFPs showing that they're Islamophobic? Where
Speaker 10: has that been shown?
Speaker 2: Just quickly the push by John o'danni for the release
Speaker 2: of a report from the AFP. This is about critical
Speaker 2: shortages in staffing in counter terrorism prior to Bondai. What's
Speaker 2: the delay here, David Well, The delay is that.
Speaker 10: They had to take it on notice that the recipient
Speaker 10: of this report allegedly filled out a scream for help
Speaker 10: by three commanders and an Assistant commissioner from counter Terrorism
Speaker 10: that they didn't have enough staffing. It went to Steve
Speaker 10: Knutt where it went from there. We don't know they
Speaker 10: took the question on notice. It needs to go to
Speaker 10: the Royal Commission. We need to know what's in that report.
Speaker 2: Full transparency. David Craig, thank you. Right after the break,
Speaker 2: the woman, the magnificent p pediatric psychiatrist Jillian Spencer, who
Speaker 2: fought for her medical rights as a doctor, has been vindicated.
Speaker 2: She joins me shortly. Welcome back. We'll have a look
Speaker 2: at the latest property data on the back of the
Speaker 2: budget changes. Not good. But now to the vindication of
Speaker 2: Queensland child psychiatrist Jillian Spencer, who, after four long years
Speaker 2: of uncertainty, has finally been cleared of any wrongdoing by
Speaker 2: Queensland's leading children's hospital after she first raised concerns about
Speaker 2: gender affirming care. Doctor Spencer was a senior specialist at
Speaker 2: the children's hospital prior to her suspension in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: three for questioning the state's gender service policy in a
Speaker 2: drawn out case. It reignited debate over medical independence and
Speaker 2: the role of regulators. The hospital last week formally acknowledged
Speaker 2: doctor Spencer's concerns were grounded in her clinical experience and
Speaker 2: the need for evidence based care. I might remind you,
Speaker 2: as of course, that a psychiatrist is a medical doctor
Speaker 2: with a specialty in psychiatry. I'm pleased to say that.
Speaker 2: Doctor Jullian Spencer joins me. Live now well, Julian, I
Speaker 2: don't suspect you've come down to earth yet. This has
Speaker 2: been such a huge fight for you, for your family,
Speaker 2: for your colleagues, for supporters. Tell us how you're feeling now.
Speaker 2: I suspect it's relief, but you must now feel professionally vindicated.
Speaker 11: I'm very happy and I'm really looking forward to getting
Speaker 11: back to normal life. I feel like I've gotten through
Speaker 11: this by the skin of my teeth, and I'm indebted
Speaker 11: to a huge number of strangers, people who took the
Speaker 11: time to write to the Health Minister and write to
Speaker 11: Oprah and post about my situation on social media. And
Speaker 11: one unsung hero is my medical Indemnity Protection Society employment
Speaker 11: lawyer Daniel Davison, who put his heart and soul into
Speaker 11: preserving my rights, as he would say. And of course
Speaker 11: the Human Rights Law Alliance, which is funded by donations,
Speaker 11: has stood by me since twenty twenty two and they
Speaker 11: allowed me to take proactive legal action which was so
Speaker 11: important in being able to turn the tables and last
Speaker 11: but not least, thank you so much for your support, Peter,
Speaker 11: and thanks to your lovely viewers.
Speaker 2: My viewers are amazing. They are warriors with his shoes.
Speaker 2: They run and run and run them all the way
Speaker 2: out the flagpole and we really get changed here. So
Speaker 2: I'm delighted to be a little piece in your puzzle
Speaker 2: in terms of the win over the weekend. Are you
Speaker 2: going to come back to practice or you're continuing to practice?
Speaker 2: What happens now, Jillian.
Speaker 11: APRA hasn't restricted my right to practice, so I can
Speaker 11: work as a psychiatrist, which is a job that I love,
Speaker 11: and this agreement with Children's Health Queensland means that my
Speaker 11: professional record has been restored to being unblemish. So I'm
Speaker 11: looking forward to rebuild my career. But it's a little
Speaker 11: bit bittersweet because my colleague, psychiatrist, doctor Andrew Amos, is
Speaker 11: unable to work as a psychiatrist because APPRA restricted his
Speaker 11: medical registration because of three social media posts on the
Speaker 11: topic of gender and because of what he and I
Speaker 11: have been through. It's been like a war together and
Speaker 11: so I do have a no man left behind sentiment,
Speaker 11: so I really want his medical registration to be restored stat.
Speaker 2: Someone close to me was hospitalized for some time with anorexia,
Speaker 2: and that individual, obviously, now I'm pleased to say, is
Speaker 2: making a really good recovery. But if doctors had treated
Speaker 2: her based on the way we treat children with gender dysphoria,
Speaker 2: they would have affirmed the fact that she thought she
Speaker 2: was fat. They would have affirmed her rights not to eat,
Speaker 2: to basically waste away. Now they didn't do that. They
Speaker 2: got her well again, They treated her head and her body.
Speaker 2: Why can't we do this when it comes to children
Speaker 2: thinking they are in the wrong body, the wrong gender.
Speaker 11: Yeah, the gender affirmation model is inconsistent with every other
Speaker 11: approach in child ino lesson psychiatry to conditions in children.
Speaker 11: So it's an unbelievable situation to have this discredited model
Speaker 11: still being practiced in Australia. The media statement from Children's
Speaker 11: Health Queensland clearly stated that the treatment of children with
Speaker 11: gender distress should not be via a predetermined treatment pathway
Speaker 11: and should be according to the best available research. Evidence
Speaker 11: should be holistic and it should include a full assessment
Speaker 11: of comorbid conditions and mental health problems, which should drive
Speaker 11: the treatment approach. So we have an Australian tertiary children's
Speaker 11: hospital publicly stating that the gender affirmation model is not
Speaker 11: the right approach for children with gender distress, and naturally
Speaker 11: that should cause the other pediatric gender clinics in Australia
Speaker 11: to reconsider their use of the affirmation model. But as
Speaker 11: we know, there's such strong political forces around this approach
Speaker 11: that the normal medical processes aren't applying.
Speaker 2: Are you going to keep up the fight? You're going
Speaker 2: to stay in the corner of these kids and their
Speaker 2: families like you have been, Jillian. I think I'll have to.
Speaker 11: I don't think there's anyone that I can pass the
Speaker 11: baton on to, but yes, I'm happy to share the
Speaker 11: opportunities that this medical scandal has presented.
Speaker 14: Well.
Speaker 2: Thank you and thank you for staying the course. Thank
Speaker 2: you to all your other supporters around the country. And
Speaker 2: it is so good to be able to have you
Speaker 2: on the program tonight because I know my viewers who
Speaker 2: have emailed me a lot about this will be thrilled
Speaker 2: to hear that you in the place you are tonight.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jillian. Thank you to you. I can't underscore
Speaker 2: how much your support of Jillian has made such a
Speaker 2: huge difference to this and many of the other issues
Speaker 2: you support here on Predlin Right, quick breakoutter break my panel.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about property. We're going to talk
Speaker 2: about a whole lot more. Stephaniey Bastian and Sean Bell,
Speaker 2: we'll go back. Let's go to those national auction clearance
Speaker 2: rates continuing to fall amid Australia's property market spiral conditions
Speaker 2: being likened to the twenty eighteen market slump. Clearance rates
Speaker 2: nationally were at a very low forty six point two
Speaker 2: percent for the week ending on Saturday, down from forty
Speaker 2: seven point five percent the week prior, and this time
Speaker 2: last year they were seventy six point four percent. So
Speaker 2: if the government says the budget hasn't impacted property, it has.
Speaker 2: Joining me now my panel, the head of advocacy at
Speaker 2: Australian Women's Forum, Stephney Bastian, I'm you south Well Senator
Speaker 2: for One Nation, Sean Bell, Welcome to you both. Well.
Speaker 2: The epicenter of the problem is Sydney and Melbourne. Of
Speaker 2: course it's in other capitals Brisbane, now Adelaide and Perth. Sean.
Speaker 2: As I say, this is all related to the budget.
Speaker 2: The government says it's not.
Speaker 10: I mean the government's lying.
Speaker 14: I mean we all know that this is a direct
Speaker 14: result of this terrible budget the alban Easy Labor government
Speaker 14: just passed. And what we're dealing with is the consequences
Speaker 14: of what was ultimately a giant tax grab that used
Speaker 14: issues the Australian's face with finding a home as a
Speaker 14: smoke screen so they could just come in grab taxes.
Speaker 14: They run a giant experiment on the Australian housing market
Speaker 14: and what we're seeing in the negative consequences. And the
Speaker 14: one thing that Labor has also refused to do that
Speaker 14: could have helped ease pressure and a more responsible way
Speaker 14: was cut immigration, but again they flat out refused to
Speaker 14: do so. We've seen new figures coming through that show
Speaker 14: that immigrations still running red hot, higher than they predicted,
Speaker 14: and now Australians are feeling the consequences of that mismanagement.
Speaker 2: And the crackdown two step on self managed super funds,
Speaker 2: borrowing and their involvement an investment property cycle that's going
Speaker 2: to say, this is a report out today from experts
Speaker 2: that's going to leave another black hole something in the
Speaker 2: order of four hundred and fifty million dollars and will
Speaker 2: contribute to more housing shortages.
Speaker 1: Well absolutely, I mean the government gave no thought when
Speaker 1: they ran this through. They did a dirty deal with
Speaker 1: the Greens to pass their tax bill that there's been
Speaker 1: no thought whatsoever. At the end of the day, we
Speaker 1: have a housing supply issue and we should be incentivizing
Speaker 1: people to do that. So at a minimum, they should
Speaker 1: be amending these laws to allow super funds to borrow
Speaker 1: in order to invest in new builds. As a minimum,
Speaker 1: they should be scrapped all together. But unless you cut
Speaker 1: red tape, unless you cut the delays in getting permits
Speaker 1: through and all the government taxes associated with building, we're
Speaker 1: not going to fix this issue. And there doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to be any move by the government to make a
Speaker 1: focus on these points. Unless these problems are solved, we're
Speaker 1: going to have a backlog of homes that won't be built,
Speaker 1: and we've still got called rates of immigration and all
Speaker 1: the rest of it. It's it's not good enough.
Speaker 2: Sure on the Prime Minister's got an AI strategy. It's
Speaker 2: a little bit more than a thought bubble, but not
Speaker 2: a whole lot more than that. Key obviously in AI
Speaker 2: is data centers and they use a huge amount of
Speaker 2: water and a huge amount of energy. The PM thinks
Speaker 2: it can all be run on renewables. Well, we're almost
Speaker 2: at breaking point with renewables in this country. I was
Speaker 2: overseas and every other country that's running big on AI
Speaker 2: and data centers are going big on nuclear power as well,
Speaker 2: will be left behind.
Speaker 14: I watched the Prime Minister's comments on AI and it's
Speaker 14: pretty clear that he's just seen another opportunity to ram
Speaker 14: through an agenda, using something else as an excuse to
Speaker 14: do so. When I heard the Prime Minister say that
Speaker 14: they were going to need more solar, industrial scale solar
Speaker 14: and wind in order to power this, I mean, that's
Speaker 14: just laughable. We've got communities who deeply traumatized by the
Speaker 14: way the Labor government very aggressi and dishonestly rolled this
Speaker 14: out through rural and regional areas, and we're seeing the
Speaker 14: same thing begin to happen again with these data centers.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 14: I believe that AI is coming and it's something we
Speaker 14: need to engage with, and it with be much better
Speaker 14: to have our data stored on shore. I mean, this
Speaker 14: is an ash of national security and of sovereignty. But
Speaker 14: to watch the Albanesi government immediately jump to net zero
Speaker 14: and use that as an excuse for further It just
Speaker 14: boggles the mind. So I'm deeply concerned by that because
Speaker 14: we need to have it done in a responsible way.
Speaker 14: And again for the Alberanzi government to just last week
Speaker 14: he was promoting the sale of our uranium overseas to India,
Speaker 14: who'll probably use that to power data centers. But then
Speaker 14: we can't dig that up and use that for our
Speaker 14: own nuclear power, or we can't use coal.
Speaker 10: It just boggles the mind.
Speaker 2: Peter, I can tell you then zero is dead overseas,
Speaker 2: it's still alive here in Australia until the government goes,
Speaker 2: or Chris Bowen goes, or perhaps both. At the same time,
Speaker 2: I've got to ask you, as step I know you've
Speaker 2: been a very strong supporter of Gillian Spencer. That magnificent
Speaker 2: win for her, the vindication I just spoke to her
Speaker 2: a moment ago. But that report today in the Australian
Speaker 2: In relation to the well known Irish psychologists, this is
Speaker 2: Stella O'Malley. She deals with detransitioners and families. She says
Speaker 2: there's a real culture of fear around the gender debate
Speaker 2: in this country that they're not seeing that she's not
Speaker 2: seeing anywhere else. She says parents are too afraid to
Speaker 2: speak out in Australia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, it was a terrific win for Gillian,
Speaker 1: but there's still a lot of work to do and
Speaker 1: a big part of our problem is that we have
Speaker 1: laws across this country conversion practices ban laws that restrict
Speaker 1: parents counseling their children and doctors creating a holistic pathway
Speaker 1: for young people. I mean, the Australian Medical Association warned
Speaker 1: the Victorian government when they brought their conversion practices banned
Speaker 1: laws in these laws effectively legislate the affirmation model only.
Speaker 1: So if you're not calling your child by their preferred pronouns,
Speaker 1: if you're not transitioning them into fear male or male
Speaker 1: clothing when they're a boy or a girl, or you're
Speaker 1: not affirming them in every step of the way, which
Speaker 1: as a young child, if you're six and you're being
Speaker 1: treated for genders for it, you are more likely to
Speaker 1: be put on a medical pathway once you get to twelve,
Speaker 1: with putity blockers across sex womans and so on and
Speaker 1: so forth. So the affirmation model from a young perspective
Speaker 1: then goes into the harmful medical treatment. So until we
Speaker 1: actually have some law reform go down the pathway of
Speaker 1: Queensland banning these harmful drugs and in relation to giving
Speaker 1: them to children, medical practitioners are going to really struggle
Speaker 1: to be able to treat children properly. We're still going
Speaker 1: to see issues with doctors like doctor Amos being silenced
Speaker 1: by OPRA, but fundamentally it all comes back to legislation
Speaker 1: that needs reform to allow medical practitioners to do their
Speaker 1: job properly without fear of repush.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Steph Well said, not only she's smart, but
Speaker 2: she's above of five, so she speaks with a bit
Speaker 2: of authority there. Thank you to you both. Thank you
Speaker 2: to my viewers. I'm delighted to be back. Great to
Speaker 2: be with you. He's Andrew mm hmmm
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