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Speaker 1: Chris Catilaris aka Big Jocky, welcome mate, thank you very

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Speaker 1: much for having I Love you T shirt. You what's

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Speaker 1: it say?

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Speaker 2: Blokes advice and collab collab Blokes advice, Big chocking on

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Speaker 2: the back. It says every day is Australia Day.

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Speaker 1: That's it man, it's coming up too, so we'll probably

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Speaker 1: release this around Australia Day. Ero social media commentator. But

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Speaker 1: that's a that's probably an understatement of some respect. Some

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Speaker 1: maybe take me back a little bit apart from sort

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Speaker 1: of reminding me in structure structurally physically to the spaniard

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Speaker 1: who's actually sat right in the very chair obviously some

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Speaker 1: time ago now. But apart from the physical likeness, I

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Speaker 1: your social media growth has been similar to his, probably

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Speaker 1: a bit quicker than his. You're doing extraordinarily well in

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Speaker 1: terms of you know, followers, et cetera, you know, engagement.

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Speaker 1: It's not necessarily I'm not necessarily talking about what you

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Speaker 1: talk about. I'm just talking about the outcomes from a

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Speaker 1: social media point of view. You do really well. But

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Speaker 1: that's not who the hell you are originally. I mean,

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Speaker 1: tybe right back, who the hell is Chris Cadilari sounds

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Speaker 1: like a Greek name to me.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so, Man, I'm adopted from Columbia into a Greek

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Speaker 2: Cypriot family. They went and got me from Columbia when

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Speaker 2: I was a month and a half old. Wow, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was that was the start of Chris Cadilaris. So

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Speaker 2: that wasn't even.

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Speaker 1: My night to name. Have ever found out who your

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Speaker 1: biological parents were?

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Speaker 2: So I've got my Colombian birth certificate. It only has

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Speaker 2: my mother's name. I plan on finding him, Maria Caro Perez. Wow,

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Speaker 2: it's like looking for a smith industry Perez exactly. The

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Speaker 2: goal is to find out one day, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: But that was where my journey started, man, and I

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Speaker 2: came back here. I think I did a trip of

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Speaker 2: South America with mum and dad as a baby. Impact

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Speaker 2: came back here man, and grew up in Sunny Snives.

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Speaker 2: My dad is a trailblazer of he's one of the

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Speaker 2: leading advocates for medicinal cannabis in Australia.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So by the age of eight, I'd experienced my first

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Speaker 2: police raid because he first was licensed legally. Then they

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Speaker 2: decided to take the license off him and from there

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Speaker 2: you can see what happens. So they come and raided him, and.

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Speaker 1: So he sold off label. Yeah, so he keep selling it.

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Speaker 2: So pretty much he was he had a license to

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Speaker 2: grow industrially and medically.

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Speaker 1: Right. Well, they're hard to get. Actually they were the

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Speaker 1: very it's still hard to get.

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Speaker 2: He was one of the first back in whenever. I

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Speaker 2: can't even remember the year. But he is the reason

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Speaker 2: why I am how I am today. The reason why

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Speaker 2: I say this is irrespective of the government pulling his

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Speaker 2: license away. He said, I'm helping children have a quality

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Speaker 2: of life they'd never have without me. So he kept going.

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Speaker 1: Well, was helping kids with epilepsis.

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Speaker 2: Epilepsy although sort of weird where they have fits, not

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Speaker 2: just epilepsy, the heaps of different neurological disorders.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: I've personally witnessed. Dad helped children that have had thirty

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Speaker 2: forty fifty sixty fits a week down to two a week. Wow,

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Speaker 2: so they actually have a life back, you know.

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Speaker 1: So that's a doctor.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So he actually is, and manyal practices he was,

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Speaker 2: And then they do registered him due to all of this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the system would have crushed him.

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Speaker 2: The system did crush him because he never wanted them

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Speaker 2: to be able to dip the hand in their pocket

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Speaker 2: like they do now, how they dip their hand in

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Speaker 2: everything that they can. So they crushed him, they really

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Speaker 2: really He's still still life, yeah, living the dream up

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Speaker 2: in the Hunter Valley, very happy with himself.

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Speaker 1: Did he again end up going back to practicing medicine.

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Speaker 2: No, never did, so they do registered him and then

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Speaker 2: that was when I was about eight to nine. Over

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Speaker 2: that year they deregistered him, and then he continued to

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Speaker 2: go behind the scenes and he decided to take things

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Speaker 2: him like a ton of bricks. So he was facing

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Speaker 2: life in jail wow for commercial cultivate supply proceeds of crime,

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Speaker 2: new name it. They threw the book at him and

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Speaker 2: he beat all the charges on medical necessity in front.

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Speaker 2: So that goes to shows that people believed in him

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Speaker 2: and he was doing the right thing.

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Speaker 2: Him out, Yeah, he was on remand for six months to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was in jail pending the decision.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so pending being found guilty.

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Speaker 1: I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but man, that's pretty much where my sort of

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Speaker 2: staunch views on life stem from, because I've been taught

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Speaker 2: by a man who didn't bow nor break to anything.

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Speaker 2: And then so my upbringing pretty much man. I was

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Speaker 2: lived in some knives, went to local schools, being adopted.

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Speaker 2: I ran into my own troubles at about fourteen fifteen,

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Speaker 2: when you sort of start to go right into puberty,

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Speaker 2: and I remember looking at a mum and dad thinking,

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Speaker 2: who am I? Like, You're not mum, Like my mum's

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Speaker 2: a tiny little Greek lady.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, big dark skin. Yeah, I thought, you're not mum.

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Speaker 1: You know, Oh you didn't know.

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Speaker 2: No, I knew, I always knew, but it's like it's

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Speaker 2: a seed that's always in your head.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I didn't come from you.

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Speaker 2: Who am? I sort of the belonging feeling, which, unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: like a lot of kids men that have trauma of

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Speaker 2: some sort, it led me to alcohol, drugs, crime.

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Speaker 1: Just stupid hanging out the wrong hanging out with the wrong.

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Speaker 2: Crowd exactly right, exactly right, and it served me no good.

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Speaker 2: I've lost ten eleven twelve friends to suicide, overdose murder

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Speaker 2: from the age of sixteen to twenty and my saving grace. Man.

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Speaker 2: I had my first son. I found out I was

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Speaker 2: having him a nineteen years old.

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Speaker 1: You were at nineteen.

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Speaker 2: I was nineteen. He was born when I was twenty.

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Speaker 1: He had a kid.

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Speaker 2: I've got two oh. Wow, I've got a graduation nine

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Speaker 2: And I'm twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: Got a boy and two boys. Two boys the light

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Speaker 2: And they, or my older saved my life. He pulled

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Speaker 2: And I just fell into the typical worker bee into

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Speaker 1: You were driving the cranes, driving dogging cranes as well done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely loved it. But it became like it got

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Speaker 1: Up with life in Sydney. You know, it was that

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Speaker 2: This is with another mum now, so the second child

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Speaker 2: with a different, different lady. Yep, and she's amazing. She's

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Speaker 2: taken my eldest son in as her. That's flying and

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Speaker 2: But the turning point for me actually was that last

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Speaker 2: year of life. I was doing ninety hour weeks, making

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Speaker 2: started was sitting there in a crane. It's like a

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Speaker 2: And I started to really reflect on my life, reflect

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Speaker 2: start making a change somehow. So that's how I got

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Speaker 2: And at first my mission was to put out there

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Speaker 1: Men physical coaching. Yes, yes, that.

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Speaker 2: There are positive role models out there that do want

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Speaker 2: Because looking back on my childhood, I think, what if

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Speaker 2: That's something we can get into as we go, for sure.

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Speaker 2: But that's where that's where my online presence started. And

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Speaker 2: I'm not a massive fan of TikTok. It all changed

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Speaker 2: one day when I saw a news story about a

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Speaker 1: Which both ways, like in other words, people agreeing with

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Speaker 2: Agreement, all agreement, and it just went wild, like it

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Speaker 2: like I should talk about these things because this also

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Speaker 2: impacts men in this day and age. You know, why

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Speaker 2: are we shown footy and alcohol and gambling, but we're

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Speaker 2: not focusing on things that matter in life. And from

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Speaker 2: there I started looking at the news more and more

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Speaker 2: and more and picking stories that pissed me off because

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Speaker 2: I'm like, why is no one talking about this on

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Speaker 2: social media. Very rarely did I come across people my

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's most of your selfish stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent. Everyone's flexing their cars, their muscles, whatever.

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Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I do the same thing in

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Speaker 2: the gym, but I try and make it my mission

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Speaker 1: Yes, is it fair to say that you're you're proud

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Speaker 2: So I can give you a perfect example. I was

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Speaker 1: They think, you know, like boy, you love that. I said,

440
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Speaker 1: what they do, what's wrong with it?

441
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Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with they say boys being boys is

442
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Speaker 2: a negative thing in these days. That's not wrong.

443
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Speaker 1: I love fighting. I still do my jiujits. I still

444
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Speaker 1: I still love fighting, which is I don't want to

445
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Speaker 1: hurt anyone. I don't want to getting a stink or

446
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Speaker 1: anything of that. But I do love arranged things where

447
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Speaker 1: we get in and we do our best. That's right.

448
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,680
Speaker 2: But at the same time, with martial arts, jujitsu, whatever

449
00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,760
Speaker 2: it is we train, how good is it knowing you

450
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Speaker 2: have that confidence that if someone does want to try

451
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Speaker 2: and rob you one day, you can defend it. Very

452
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Speaker 2: important in Australia in my opinion, Australia is going.

453
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Speaker 1: But if you push that, if you push that narrative,

454
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Speaker 1: people are going to say you are pro violence. Of

455
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Speaker 1: course they are, and I'm not pro violance. I hate violence.

456
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Speaker 1: I hate the worst thing is But.

457
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Speaker 2: This is the biggest thing we're seeing now. We're seeing

458
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Speaker 2: people that are weak minded labeling those that are not

459
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Speaker 2: weak minded. I've been called a racist, like I said before,

460
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Speaker 2: in islamophobe, like I said before, anti Semitic like I

461
00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,919
Speaker 2: said before. What else are we called? You name it right?

462
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Speaker 2: Coming back to my story on the IBC. The reason

463
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Speaker 2: why this is important. I had three big so I

464
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 2: was sitting with a line of my mates. Three big

465
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Speaker 2: boys come sit down in front of me, and one

466
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Speaker 2: of them, very obvious could tell he was Arabic Lebanese.

467
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Speaker 2: You know shave no big beard, and I thought to myself, well,

468
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Speaker 2: this is going to be interesting because I've been man,

469
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Speaker 2: I've had plenty of threats, like I've been told I

470
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Speaker 2: don't go to Western Sydney. I've got security teams if

471
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Speaker 2: I need them, the whole kit and caboodle, right, purely

472
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Speaker 2: due to misconception, because I would sit like this with anyone,

473
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Speaker 2: no matter who they are. Anyway, he turned around after

474
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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes, he goes, hit you mate, you're a big chock.

475
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Speaker 1: Oh.

476
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Speaker 2: I was like, here we go, and he put his

477
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Speaker 2: hand out. He said, I just want to know. I

478
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Speaker 2: just want to let you know that I really respect

479
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Speaker 2: your message because you stay congruent across all extremes. You

480
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Speaker 2: just don't want extremes in within Australia of.

481
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Speaker 1: Any type of any type.

482
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Speaker 2: I don't care who it is, including one hundred percent,

483
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Speaker 2: which I've also had wars with them online, plenty of

484
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Speaker 2: back and forth.

485
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Speaker 1: Right.

486
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Speaker 2: But one of his mates said, mate, I don't I

487
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Speaker 2: don't appreciate anything you say. He goes, I think you

488
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Speaker 2: hate everyone that's Islamic. And I said to him, I said,

489
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Speaker 2: look mate, I go I respect that, but I said,

490
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Speaker 2: find where I've ever disrespected your prophet or your book.

491
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Speaker 2: I go, you won't because I don't appreciate anyone disrespecting

492
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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ of the Bible. So why would I give

493
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Speaker 2: you the same energy? I said, if you think that

494
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Speaker 2: me disrespecting extreme is disrespecting your religion, I said, I

495
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Speaker 2: can't change the way that you think. But I said,

496
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Speaker 2: I mean no harm. And like i've it wasn't an apology,

497
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Speaker 2: but I put my point.

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Speaker 1: Across, you know, And he said, well, there's a clarification.

499
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Speaker 2: Exactly right. And then he brought up the whole Palestine thing,

500
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Speaker 2: because I'm very vocal about the pro paliralics and how

501
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Speaker 2: they have a massive anti Australian messaging. And he said, well,

502
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Speaker 2: what about the people of Palestine? And I said, mate,

503
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Speaker 2: I've said it before, I'll say it again. The people

504
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Speaker 2: of Palestine deserve to be left alone one hundred percent.

505
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Speaker 2: They also need to leave everyone else alone. But when

506
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Speaker 2: a movement comes to Australia and turns on Australia, why

507
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Speaker 2: would I stand for that? And he sort of sat

508
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Speaker 2: there and thought about it, and he's like like this

509
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Speaker 2: went back and forth five ten minutes, and he ended

510
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Speaker 2: up shaking my hand. He goes, fair enough anyway. He

511
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Speaker 2: messaged me two weeks later after I did a podcast

512
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Speaker 2: with Unemployable Media boys, and he said, mate, he goes,

513
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Speaker 2: I actually just finished listening to your unemployable podcast episode.

514
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Speaker 1: Yeah the end this wine unemployed, no unemployable media.

515
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Speaker 2: It's a diferent yeah, and he goes, mate, he goes,

516
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Speaker 2: everything you said to me, you meant, he goes, the

517
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Speaker 2: way you get your point across. I now understand you're

518
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Speaker 2: very intellectual. He goes. I'm sorry that I had misunderstood you.

519
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 2: He goes, You're a good man, like God, blessed peace

520
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 2: and love.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow.

522
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Speaker 2: And that's why things like this is really important for me,

523
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Speaker 2: because my message isn't hate, and a lot of people

524
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Speaker 2: get that skewed because I come across as emotional, angry

525
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 2: whatever it is, because I see stories that piss me

526
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Speaker 2: off because our government do nothing. You know. The problem

527
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Speaker 2: that we're seeing right now, and especially after BONDI, which

528
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Speaker 2: was a horrific event, right the problem we're seeing after

529
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Speaker 2: BONDI is that people are turning on people on the

530
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Speaker 2: ground level. Yeah, you got to look to the leaders, man,

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Speaker 2: you can't. It's like I've seen so much hate for Muslims.

532
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Speaker 2: And it's like you're going to go marginalize your barber

533
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Speaker 2: that you've been too for thirty years because he's Muslim.

534
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Speaker 2: As an example, you know, you're going to marginalize the

535
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Speaker 2: little old lady in a hijab walking down the road

536
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Speaker 2: like she's a threat. No, that's wrong. You know, look

537
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Speaker 2: at why we failed. There were failures through ASIO, there

538
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Speaker 2: were failures through state police. Blame them. Don't go and

539
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Speaker 2: blame people off their race or religion, you know, and

540
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Speaker 2: this above all.

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Speaker 1: LL blame politics one hundred percent because that's what I did.

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Speaker 2: Politics have failed Australia, you know, and myself. I don't

543
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 2: know if you've seen Sam Bamford too Worlds Collide, a

544
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 2: good friend of mine, very similar to what I do.

545
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Speaker 2: All of last year. We called all of this out.

546
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Speaker 2: We said this is going wrong, this is going wrong.

547
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Speaker 2: They're doing nothing about it. And BONDI was like the

548
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 2: Swiss Cheese theory. All their holes lined up to create

549
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Speaker 2: a horrific event. And man, I had people that were

550
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Speaker 2: very extreme left that had abused me throughout the year

551
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 2: Bondi happened. They meet messaged me and they said, you're right.

552
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Speaker 2: Politics are failing Australia. Politicians are failing Australia.

553
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Speaker 1: So why do you think that is the case? Mate?

554
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Speaker 1: Because like politicians, I am, I here rip into them

555
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Speaker 1: and I know you've invited quite a few of them

556
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Speaker 1: to come and talk to you, and I'll ask you

557
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Speaker 1: about that in a moment. Why do you think that

558
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Speaker 1: politicians peer week per I don't know if they are

559
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Speaker 1: that because I don't know them, true, fair, fair, I

560
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Speaker 1: don't know, but they peer week? Yes, why do you

561
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Speaker 1: think it is? Why do you think that is there's

562
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Speaker 1: or is it always? It is the only thing they

563
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Speaker 1: worry about their own self survival.

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Speaker 2: I feel as though, and this is what I've been

565
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Speaker 2: told from people that have been into camp with themselves.

566
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Speaker 2: They come in wanting to change the world. They fall

567
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Speaker 2: into a very easy workspace with a lot of money,

568
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Speaker 2: and they're in an Ivory tower and they forget about

569
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Speaker 2: the people and they focus on the money that's from

570
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Speaker 2: some now with others, I think the Ivory tower thing

571
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 2: is a massive thing. Once you're a politician in Australia,

572
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Speaker 2: you're somewhat untouchable by the people.

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Speaker 1: You've got power, you've got power, and you've.

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Speaker 2: Got a different level of power, you know. And it's

575
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Speaker 2: like Albo said the other day, he goes every Australian

576
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Speaker 2: deserves to be heard and I want to hear their opinion.

577
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Speaker 2: That's a lie fallacy. I called him out, had five

578
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Speaker 2: million views on the video. I haven't heard from him.

579
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson and Bob Catter are happy to talk to me.

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Speaker 2: Why can't he just because he's the Prime minister. I

581
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Speaker 2: know I know a guy, funnily enough, heaps of my

582
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Speaker 2: friends now a former Special Forces form of ady F

583
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 2: whatever just because of what I talk about. I know

584
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Speaker 2: a guy that did security detail for John Howard when

585
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Speaker 2: he went overseas, when the boys were overseas, and my

586
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: mate said to me, he goes, mate, John Howard would

587
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Speaker 2: sit down with anyone, and anyone doesn't matter if you

588
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: disagree with him or not. He'd sit down and have

589
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Speaker 2: a conversation respectfully too exactly, and he goes. The fact

590
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Speaker 2: you called out Albow and you've heard nothing, it shows

591
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Speaker 2: that he's a week leader.

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Speaker 1: Do you think politics? Do you think politics has changed

593
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Speaker 1: since the power days because of polls and social media

594
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Speaker 1: and that they did. I mean, I don't want to

595
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Speaker 1: excuse for let but let me just look at the

596
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Speaker 1: good side for a second, or a different side for

597
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Speaker 1: a second. Of course, do you think for a moment

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Speaker 1: that politicians maybe they take the view and I'm not

599
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Speaker 1: saying this at all politicians, but some politicians may take

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Speaker 1: the view that the only way I can do achieve

601
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Speaker 1: those things that I think are good thing is to

602
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Speaker 1: achieve for Australia, whatever that might be, is that I

603
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Speaker 1: stay in power. And because they've only got a three

604
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: year window, I therefore have to sit with the polls

605
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Speaker 1: are saying, and I'll just abide by the polls just

606
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Speaker 1: so I can stay in my position and we can

607
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Speaker 1: stain let's call it power, and ultimately I will compromise

608
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Speaker 1: some of my values, some of the things I would

609
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Speaker 1: you know, I do normally stand for, but just so

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Speaker 1: I can get least those ten things done. Do you

611
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Speaker 1: think that it could be a good consequence of that?

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Speaker 2: It could be. I agree, But I think at this point, now,

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Speaker 2: if we had a politician.

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Speaker 1: To date, let's just say to date, okay, okay, definitely,

615
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Speaker 1: but now, now, what do you think should happen.

616
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Speaker 2: I think if we had a politician that was well

617
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Speaker 2: and truly Australia first for Australia, like the fact that

618
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson got kicked out and just enterprise they got

619
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Speaker 2: in trouble for wearing an Australian flag. When I've forgot

620
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Speaker 2: the other ladies name the Pakistani lady, she wore a kafir, Ferucci,

621
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Speaker 2: I think it is they're allowed to wear a kafir.

622
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Speaker 2: We're not allowed to wear an Australian flag in the

623
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Speaker 2: Australian Parliament, you know. And then we're seeing more and more, mate,

624
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Speaker 2: I get sent so many things from police or first

625
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 2: responders all around Australia. Police are not allowed to wear

626
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 2: the Australian the Australian flag patch on their vest anymore

627
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: by order. Really, they're not allowed. Apparently the thin blue

628
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Speaker 2: line through the patch is racist.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

630
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 2: Now, how are we living in a time or how

631
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 2: are we living in the country where our own flag

632
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 2: is deemed racist? Can you make that make sense?

633
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: Man?

634
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 2: You've traveled the world, right, I haven't personally, but plenty

635
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: of friends that might have. Every country they go to,

636
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: the country is proud of their own identity. Japan for

637
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: the Japanese, you know, Germany, even the Germans whatever we

638
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: want to call it. They all have this massive sense

639
00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 2: of nationalism. Look at Israel, perfect example of being proud

640
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: of who they are. Here Greece, another perfect example.

641
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: Here Turkey.

642
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 2: You fly a flag, you're racist?

643
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Speaker 1: But what is that? Is it because we're too nice

644
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: here or too tolerant or.

645
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: I think we've been for too long. We've been tolerant

646
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: of intolerance for way too long. People now and this

647
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: I was going to do a real on this, and

648
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 2: this might be your listeners might like this. There's a

649
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Speaker 2: big movement of the Abolish Australia, you know, and they're

650
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: looking at they're looking at the abolishing Australia, you know,

651
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: all the remember the pro PALI rally across the Harbor Bridge,

652
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: burning the Australian flag, graffiti, Abolish Australia. They want to

653
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Speaker 2: decolonize Australia, all of these things. My question to these

654
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Speaker 2: people is what do you do if you decolonize Australia?

655
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: What happens?

656
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: You know, Like, do you actually know what you're rooting for?

657
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: I don't think they do. Like I understand that what

658
00:28:54,840 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: happened to the indigenous, they were most definitely put through

659
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: things that no human should right, There's no denying that fact. Okay,

660
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: if we continue to look back and create more divide

661
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: between the community, we're never going to come to a

662
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: point where we're going to be happy. And in my opinion,

663
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: now the politicians are actually playing on that.

664
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: Do you think some people just want us to be unhappy?

665
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: No matter what, Some people just want to watch the

666
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: world burn man.

667
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's really unfortunate. It's really really unfortunate.

668
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: And they get a voice though, somehow, they.

669
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: Get a really loud voice because and this is why

670
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: some people think I want to watch the world burn,

671
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: and because I've had such a loud voice in such

672
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: a short period of time that they think that I

673
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: want more divide. Definitely not the case. We need to

674
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: be able to see anyone on the street smile, nod, wave.

675
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: You have your personal beliefs. I have mine and we

676
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: go along our day, you know. But with my views

677
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: that I've shared online, I've had death threats. I've had

678
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 2: threats to my children, I've had threats to my wife. Wow,

679
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: I've had threats everything, you know, And I think, how

680
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: crazy is that We're living in Australia in twenty twenty

681
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: six and people want to clip me for what I

682
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: talk about online and they are real threats, man, from

683
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: people that are worth worrying about.

684
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: You've had these things checked out, yep, and you're being told.

685
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, yeah, I've been told. I've been told and

686
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: this is the thing. Like, look, I think for me now,

687
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm untouchable, because some would see that

688
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: as a challenge, but they need to remember that I've

689
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: grown a following of nearly a million Australians in a year.

690
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: So I always say this to people. I say, imagine

691
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: my wife jumped online tomorrow night and Chris has been shot. Sorry,

692
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: he won't be active for a while. You can guarantee

693
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: there'll be pissed off people, really pissed off.

694
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: And we're not talking about just fans. We're talking about

695
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: people who stridently believe in what it is you've got

696
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: to say one hundred.

697
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: Which is nationalism of Australia. But not only that, man,

698
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: there's a lot of former again former ADF, former Special

699
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: forces do that have been completely shafted by the government.

700
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've looked into the war crimes

701
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: as they ever committed and how the government's going after them.

702
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,239
Speaker 2: I think the budget they've spent so far. You might

703
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: have to fact check me on this post. Two hundred

704
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: and seventy million dollars has been poured into chasing our

705
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: special forces veterans on war crimes over four years. One

706
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: charge has been laid.

707
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: Hess and Russell was sat right there in a podcast.

708
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: It's a good example. Yeah, you know what I mean.

709
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: And he won his case of course, as you know,

710
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: and they ruined his life and.

711
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 2: They still ruin life. So I have a friend who

712
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: copped an email just before Christmas. Pretty much it said,

713
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: just a nice reminder, we're still looking into footage and

714
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: potential war crimes from when you're overseas. Merry Christmas. So

715
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: I think the government needs to remember as well. If

716
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: someone like me does go down, you have people that

717
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: are really angry and the government have turned on them,

718
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: but they're looking to do something.

719
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: He's religion in a part of your life, Yes, so

720
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 1: this is interesting man.

721
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: I was baptized Orthodox when I was born, Greek Orthodox,

722
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: and I sort of turned away like the alcohol, the drugs.

723
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: Can't consider yourself religious in my opinion if you're using

724
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: and abusing things. And I feel as though it actually

725
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: took me further and further and further away from God.

726
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: And I feel as though when I started this journey,

727
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: people sort of little hints, read the Bible, look at this,

728
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: what do you think of that? I started thinking about

729
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: it more. And then one day out of nowhere, shit,

730
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: you're not My wife would even attest to this, and

731
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: went brought a Bible, came home with it. She goes,

732
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: what are you doing? Read the Bible?

733
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: A new justment, you know, read the Bible.

734
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: I said, oh, well, I'm going to start why not?

735
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: And from there it's just been a slowly sort of

736
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: build build up, build up read more. And then she

737
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: started doing as well. So now we go to church

738
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: on a Sunday and I actually.

739
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: Got in the Orthodox church Catholic I got, I.

740
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: Got baptized against I'm one of those born again.

741
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: Christians, right, yeah, big Christian church.

742
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Christian church. I'm one of those born again. And

743
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: I remember I posted up a video of it, and

744
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: everyone's coming at me. All the old Orthodox are like,

745
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: why are you going to this church? Terrasee? And all

746
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: the Catholics are like, oh, you're not at the true church.

747
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 2: And I'm like, wow, I can't win with these people, right,

748
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: But what I came back with was very clear. I said,

749
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: me going to this church or me getting baptized again

750
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: is not to say I'm giving my loyalty to this church.

751
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: It's me washing my old life away. I don't go

752
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: to church to sing songs and dance with the people

753
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: that I'm with because they believe in whatever I go

754
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: because it's for my relationship with God.

755
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: And that's it. How would you describe your relationship with God? Then?

756
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: I mean, what is that? Something? A family is something

757
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: you can do with your whole family as well as.

758
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, it's you know what. It almost brings

759
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: us back to those traditional values of family for us,

760
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: you know, like God first. Feminists are going to hate

761
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: what I'm going to say, Father, next, mother, children, And

762
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: that's the way that we work in our home and

763
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: it's amazing.

764
00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: It works.

765
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: My wife's happy, kids are happy. And my mentors that

766
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: guide me with God or business or whatever, they're God

767
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: loving people. The business mentors too. They always say to me,

768
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 2: they're like, man, if you're stressed, give it to God.

769
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: Talk to God. And I think in this past year

770
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: that I've had, like man, I've had some massive stress.

771
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: It's like Bondie again was crazy for me with my

772
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 2: platform and so many people like, being an influence is

773
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: not scary, it's not daunting. But the night the BONDI happened,

774
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: a I have thousands of messages coming through with footage

775
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: of what was going on. B All of the former

776
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: military dudes were messaging me saying, everyone's going to be

777
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: looking for a voice and they're going to look at you.

778
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: And they all said what you say from here could

779
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 2: lead to real life repercussions for communities, families, so keep

780
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: you cool. And that was scary, man, that was shit scary.

781
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: So tep me back to that night. So the fall

782
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: into December.

783
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: Mate, we were at church, we're at carols, we're at

784
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 2: a Christmas carols of it. My best mate message me

785
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: saying active shooter in BONDI. So before I'd even opened Instagram,

786
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: and it was just it was just finishing the event

787
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: we were at and opened Instagram. Boom message message, message message,

788
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: then my text another messaging app that I use for

789
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 2: a lot of the military dudes, Boom, You've seen what's

790
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: going on. You've seen this, You've seen that, and I'm like, whoa,

791
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: what's happening? Watched it? Oh my hey, this is bad

792
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 2: very bad. And then you get the feeling, like the

793
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: sinking feeling of like is this actually happening in Australia.

794
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: I'm sure you had the same thing.

795
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: I was saying here watching it, I couldn't believe it.

796
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, wow, this is this is BONDI Like,

797
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: I used to park across the road from that bridge,

798
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: walk over that bridge, take the kids down to the

799
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 2: park over the beach, you know.

800
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: And my grandkids go there.

801
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: That's what I mean, you know, and we all, like

802
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: my wife was watching it, she started crying. She's like,

803
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 2: she's a very empathetic person. She's like, this is Australia,

804
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: this is BONDI. You know, how could people do this?

805
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: And then the messages started flooding in. You've got to

806
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 2: be careful with what you say because it could lead

807
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: to a religious war.

808
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: So how when that happens, something like that happens. You

809
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: have in your mind the concept of freedom speech. In

810
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: other words, we should be free to say whatever we want.

811
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: But then there's this, you're an influencer. We have great influence,

812
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: We have a lot of followers. You have a responsibility,

813
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: on the flip side of that, not to cause drama

814
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: exactly right. But at the same time, there's an expectation

815
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: that you will buy into it, not buying into the drama,

816
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: but you actually buy into this with a view will

817
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: have something to say. What you know, like we in

818
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 1: a different environment. We have some similar sort of concepts

819
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: that apply to us, not for the same reasons. I'm

820
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: more likely to respond to an economic thing that might happen,

821
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: and you know, we stay away from that territory because

822
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: it's not our territory, Like it's not on my audience.

823
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: But what do you what did you do? What is

824
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: Chris do? What's the first thing you did? The first

825
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: thing that from your from your Instagram point of view,

826
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: from your audience point of view.

827
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 2: So the first thing that I did, I didn't even

828
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 2: think about it. Someone sent me a video I think

829
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: it was of arm Lamored Disarmy the Shooter, and I

830
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 2: had that and I was like, we've got to show

831
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: the world that Australians are tough. I was like, I

832
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: don't know who he is on posting it, put it

833
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: up with Australian of the Year and we were at it.

834
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: So we went to dinner after the Carols event and

835
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: I was sort of just thinking what do I do?

836
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: How do I approach this? What what do we do? So?

837
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: Do you have a team? It was just you, just me, man.

838
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, just super stressful, super stressful.

839
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: So you you you, you do. You do all the

840
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: video stuff, you do, all the texts, you do, all

841
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: the editing, everything, posts, blah blah blah, the whole thing,

842
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: and and you and you look at the responses. Do you, man,

843
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: talk back to talk with people, etcetera. You do everything.

844
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: I love talking to people. Yeah, I do it all. Okay, Wow,

845
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: I've been told to go on Yeah, I've been told

846
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: to go get virtual assistant. And I'm like, I don't

847
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: trust people being on my That's a mission. It is

848
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: a mission, especially with the engagement.

849
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,959
Speaker 1: No, no, well your engagement is mental. But yeah, okay,

850
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: so sorry, I just got restaurant.

851
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're at a restaurant and my wife, court Andy,

852
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: just kept watching it and like she was hardly eating

853
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: and shit, like I need to time out for a bit.

854
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: My phone died, which was brilliant, got food in, had

855
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: time to sort of sit there and just think, like

856
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: what's going on? You know, And I thought of the

857
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: first thing that actually came to mind. And some may

858
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: consider this selfish. It was all the threats that I've

859
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: been hat like that I've had, and I'm like, there

860
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: are people out there that will act on this. So

861
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: that was the first thing, and I was like, family

862
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 2: safety paramount. Then my phone charged, went and grabbed it,

863
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: started checking on people that I knew that were local.

864
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: It was like, you guys are good, They were fine.

865
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: And then I started thinking about my platform and profile

866
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: and I was just thinking, how the fuck do I

867
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 2: talk about this without my normal delivery, which is generally

868
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 2: emotional and angry. So I came on at ten pm

869
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: and I said, I can't a word for word, but

870
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: it was something like, I can't believe we're experiencing this

871
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: in Australia, but just let the dust settle before anyone

872
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: does anything, you know, Pray for the victims that are

873
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: in hospital that may not make it, Pray for the

874
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: families that have lost loved ones, and just sleep sort

875
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: of thing. Very calm, very cool, very collected. I said,

876
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: how discussing it was, We're seeing this in Australia, and

877
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: it was received pretty well. Obviously not everyone was still up.

878
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 2: But the next morning I came in and pretty much

879
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: call for peace. I said, don't go jumping into a

880
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: religious war. Don't go doing this. Don't go picking on

881
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: a community that you think maybe responsible when they're not,

882
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: because two crazy people don't speak for everyone, you know.

883
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: And I was met with a lot of backlash. People

884
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: were like, your fucking weak. Why wouldn't you say let's

885
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: go and get these people, blah blah blah. And I

886
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: actually I picked one guy out out of my comments.

887
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: He was up in the Goldie your typical sort of

888
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: Nike bikey looking bloke, big gold chains, and he had

889
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 2: a photo with his little daughter. I messaged him, I said,

890
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 2: what do you propose I do? I said, you propose

891
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: I call for caronla rights And I said, what my

892
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 2: kids don't see me for however many years if someone

893
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: gets killed in a stupid rite where people don't even

894
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: know where they're fighting. And he goes, well, I think

895
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: it's Pisce week. You doing nothing, and I said, well, okay,

896
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: put yourself in my shoes. I go look at the

897
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: photo of your daughter public profile. Look at the photo

898
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 2: of you and your daughter, and imagine that you get

899
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 2: taken away from seeing her grow up because you said something,

900
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 2: because you can't control your emotion and he just didn't respond.

901
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 2: And the thing is, man, this is what people don't realize.

902
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: They want to attack me all the time, but you

903
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: don't have an audien where you're getting a hundred thousand

904
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: views within an hour. So I completely changed my approach.

905
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: I went from emotionally charged to as calm, call as

906
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 2: collected as I could, just to get the point across

907
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: that you need to remain calm through this time.

908
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: And from there, Man, can I just ask a good question.

909
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: Do you think what motivated you to do that was

910
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,959
Speaker 1: because you felt a responsibility to keep people calm hundred percent?

911
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: Or or was it a more you reflecting on how

912
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: you should act both.

913
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: I feel as though if I came in with anger,

914
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 2: even if I was calling for calm, they would have

915
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 2: just read the emotion. So I think for me, staying

916
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 2: calm helped me think about the message I was sending.

917
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 2: Because I don't do scripts or anything, it's all one take,

918
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: try again, try again sort of thing. So for me

919
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 2: it was to keep myself stable, but to also keep

920
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: my viewers staying. Were you rattle one hundred percent?

921
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: Man? Yeah?

922
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: I think everyone was.

923
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: Yeaheah, Man, I couldn't believe it.

924
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think for me, I genuinely and

925
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 2: I said, it's my wife. I genuinely felt like I

926
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 2: had the weight of the world on my shoulders because

927
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: I knew people were looking to me, right and I

928
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 2: think the next day I did another video about Albow

929
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: how he went straight for the gun laws and I

930
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 2: flamed him. I got angry with that one, and that

931
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 2: went ridiculously viral. I said, typical Australian government, don't focus

932
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: on the issue, Come for the laura abiding citizens' guns.

933
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: Go How weak can you be? You know that blew up?

934
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: Did Albo any of these people reach out if let's

935
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: just assume from a moment they did, yep? Would you

936
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: just do a leg a one on one sit down anywhere?

937
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: He wanted to, But it would be would how would

938
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: you approach it? Though Leak?

939
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: Well, it'd be similar to the way that I spoke

940
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 2: to Bob and Pauline so pretty much. I'd have a

941
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: set of questions and I'd just say, man, the Australian

942
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: people want answers and speak to an average Aussie like,

943
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: don't speak to your journos that see you see the

944
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: scripted questions. Don't speak to Parliament speak to me, because

945
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: I've spoken to a few people about this. Imagine if

946
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 2: Albou came out after Bondi and he put his hand

947
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 2: up and he said, guys, I've failed you as a

948
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: prime minister, I've failed you, and I'm going to fix

949
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: this problem. There wouldn't be as much backlash. Sure, there'd

950
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: be heaps, it'd be known.

951
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: At the time, but it wouldn't been as enduring no way.

952
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: You know, by now, if he'd actually started doing things

953
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: that are fixing the problems that led us to hear,

954
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: wouldn't be as bad as it is now. But now, man,

955
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 2: no word of a lie. People cannot stand Anthony Aberdez.

956
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: I've got a feeling this could endure it right through

957
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: the next selection, which is probably hoping won't happen, and

958
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: the party would hoping won't happen. But elections don't have

959
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: long memories.

960
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to make sure that everyone remembers, because how

961
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 2: can you let someone forget this? You know, this is

962
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: a not only has he failed the Jewish community of Australia,

963
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: him and the agencies have failed all Australians, you know.

964
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: And I made this point the other DA because they're

965
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: not in Jewish, they're Australians, exactly, that's the point I made.

966
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: You know this, And there were some by the way,

967
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: there's some coppers down there who were not Jewish. They

968
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: go to Shutroliana. There's some surf life say with guys

969
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: and who also got struggled with shrapnel.

970
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: Exactly.

971
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: There was a lot of people struggle with shrapnel, and

972
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: then there's the trauma. Then non Jewish people have also

973
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: suffered from watching it, exactly like maybe your kids, someone

974
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 1: else's kids kids are asking questions about it from their parents. Stuff.

975
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: People don't get a bondo anymore. Exactly. The businesses down

976
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: there that are not making money anymore, or I had

977
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: to close down or whatever the case may be Jewish

978
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: non Jewish, like the whole the whole thing is a

979
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: fuck up.

980
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 2: It's a monumental fuck up. And this is a point

981
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: I made. I said before they were Jewish. They're Astralian,

982
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 2: so I said the Royal Commission. In my personal opinion,

983
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 2: I'm no political educated bloke. They're making it all about

984
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 2: anti Semitism and social cohesion. Social cohesion is absolute.

985
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: Crocers shit, I don't even know what that means.

986
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a second right. But the

987
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: whole antisemitism thing, I even said it, I said, why

988
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 2: is it not about how the government has failed Australians.

989
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: BONDI has failed Australians. And I even had a lady

990
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 2: who's quite a big Jewish influenza. I'd call her that.

991
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: I suppose she agreed. She goes, this shouldn't just be

992
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: about anti Semitism. This should be about Australians, because if

993
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: it's just about us, it will happen to anyone, you know,

994
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: And that that says.

995
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Because I remember hearing

996
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: the guy from Asia, I don't know if he's still

997
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: the boss of Asia, but sometime ago saying that because

998
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: you know, as you remember, we're getting synagogues fire bombed

999
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: and down to Victoria, especially in Victoria, and he was

1000
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: warning us that Iran was behind behind a lot of stuff,

1001
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: and which sort of makes sense, and that, you know,

1002
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: whilst the government wasn't really saying much, the elected officials

1003
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 1: weren't really saying much, the Asier boss was saying stuff.

1004
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: If he was sort of issuing a warning at the

1005
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: at the time, do you think that the real faults

1006
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: perhaps sits in the lapse of government politicians who didn't

1007
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: act on these things, and.

1008
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: What is it?

1009
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: Is that? And is that more about politics? Like we

1010
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: want to worried about winning a vote or losing a vote.

1011
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: I feel as though let's look at someone like Tony

1012
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: Burke as an example to start. So let's go away

1013
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: from Bondai. He brought back the isis brights, went through

1014
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 2: massive scrutiny, right, but he refuses to bring up anything

1015
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: about Islamic extremism. Now people are like, well why not,

1016
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: why won't Well he sits in the electorate of Watson,

1017
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: where's what Lakemba and the surrounding areas, So does that

1018
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: mean he wants to appease to his votes so he

1019
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 2: doesn't get off side with him? Ninety nine percent of

1020
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: Australians right now saying yes, probably.

1021
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: Not percent of people like Kemba who might be Muslims

1022
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: probably are against what happened anyway, that's exactly right.

1023
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: They don't want extremism, that's exactly right. But he doesn't

1024
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 2: want to use that terminology.

1025
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: And he doesn't want to be put in a position

1026
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: where he has to justify his position exactly. I mean,

1027
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: because I mean, like you know, I grew up in

1028
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: that area. I went to school in Lakember. Yeah. Yeah,

1029
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: and I know Heldon Street really well. And I can

1030
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 1: tear that my mates out there, who are Muslim guys

1031
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: and women, they're totally against extremism. Yes, they're like you AUSSI.

1032
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: They don't want this shit happening.

1033
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: This is the thing, right, This is why it really

1034
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: baffles me and annoys me that I'm called the names

1035
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: as I am because I have Muslim.

1036
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 3: Friends and I agree with But one of the politicians

1037
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 3: get this though, because one like like I won't said

1038
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 3: he opposite. I won't say which politician, but he got

1039
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 3: voted in and in the last election. And I said

1040
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 3: to him, I was talking more about economics, I said,

1041
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 3: but like I was saw about Paul Keating, what a

1042
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 3: courageous buggery was Like Paul Keating was such a courageous politician,

1043
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 3: as was Bob Hawk labor guys. I didn't necessarily agree

1044
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 3: with their politics, but their courage to do things that

1045
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 3: was unpopular was amazing, as was John Howard, uh equally

1046
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: end and Petter Costello both sides the politics. And I

1047
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 3: said to this particular politician, I said, when does popularism

1048
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 3: get pushed away in favor of courage as a politician.

1049
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 3: When when does a politician have to be brave and

1050
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 3: courageous and do something that he or she really believes

1051
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 3: in that's for our better and he might he or

1052
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: she might get criticized. And he was, he's a very

1053
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 3: clever A speaker's particular politician walk.

1054
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: Walk walked me around it and threw it and like

1055
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: at the end of the conversation, I was completely forgot

1056
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: what the question would ask and I was just sat

1057
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: there with bamboozled as our audience. But do you do

1058
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: you and here's one of the best at it, But

1059
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: do you think that these politicians are genuinely poor leaders

1060
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: or they genuinely believe that the only way they can

1061
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: get any done is if they just listen what the

1062
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: poles are saying and play popularity as opposed to pay

1063
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: play conviction.

1064
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 2: If we were saying that they were playing popularity, they

1065
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: all should have flipped on their heads right now, because

1066
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: the Australian people have stood up and said what's going on? Yeah,

1067
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 2: I genuinely think they're just week leaders at this point.

1068
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: They've gone too far down that we're going to appease

1069
00:48:55,239 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: the lgbt Q I a mob and it's gotten to

1070
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: a point now where a lot of Australia man my

1071
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 2: following a test to this, have said no, no, no,

1072
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: this is all wrong. If they wanted to go with

1073
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: the polls, they turn around now and say we're going

1074
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 2: back the way we came. But they're not. They're doubling

1075
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: down and instead of facing the problems, they're actually coming

1076
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: for people like myself and other creators. And you know,

1077
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 2: like this social cohesion. Have you looked at the new

1078
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 2: bill that they've announced. Okay, so they've even got something

1079
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Speaker 2: in there whether if you incite fear into a community

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Speaker 2: you look at five.

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Speaker 1: Years jail, that's you. Someone might come after you exactly.

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00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: They might allege that you're inciting fear exactly. In other words,

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00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 1: you're anti social cohesion exactly.

1084
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: But who defines social cohesion?

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Speaker 1: They recall Parliament early, haven't they.

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00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what this is for. Who defines what fear is?

1087
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: Who can be scared? How fearful do they need to be?

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00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: Whether it'll be the prosecutor or whoever they appoint as

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00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: the next commissioner for this, that all point some person.

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00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: And you know why they're doing this. It's because people

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00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: like myself, because I'm not the only one. There's plenty

1092
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 2: like me now that are growing rapidly. We can sway elections.

1093
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 2: I had two hundred and seventeen million views in ninety

1094
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: days across Facebook and Instagram. According to AI, that's the

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00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 2: top point one two point three percent in the world

1096
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 2: of views. So if they shut voices like us down,

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00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 2: they do whatever they want. That's why, in our opinion,

1098
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 2: they're coming more for speech or your freedom of speech,

1099
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: I should call it. And then they want to focus

1100
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 2: on the Islamic extremisms because they're not worried about the

1101
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: Islamic extremism. They're worried about people like us that are

1102
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: showing Australia what's happening. So we really are disrupting social

1103
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: cohesion more than.

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Speaker 1: They would say.

1105
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: They would say, yeah, they would say correct that we're

1106
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 2: disrupting it more than anyone else, which is insane, absolute insanity.

1107
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: Man like people have reached out to mean. They're like,

1108
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: you're going to take down on content, You're going to

1109
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: stop what are you going to do? And I'm like, well,

1110
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: look it's very broad. If you do go over it,

1111
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 2: it's very broad. Term blanket statements.

1112
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: I they were. They're the worst though, because they can

1113
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: be interpreted however they want exactly. And then of course

1114
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: it's up to you to prove otherwise otherwise because the

1115
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: burden of proof will beyond you, because it would be

1116
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: a crime. So this would be a criminal burden of proof.

1117
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: Let's just focus on that point form a moment. And

1118
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: I think that's an important point do you're making. And

1119
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: it's sort of a bit of an intellectual point, and

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00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: intellectually in the sense that I don't mean it's improbable.

1121
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: It's it's just as probable as any other point. But

1122
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: it's intellectually it goes beyond choosing a side. It's about

1123
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: the concept of what is fair. And I think what

1124
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: you're saying is, if you allow that to happen, then

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00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: I'm effectively opening the door for them to do the

1126
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: same thing in relation to any other group or any

1127
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: any individual who represents a group. It goes against our

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00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: total system of adversary advers serial system in Australia. That is,

1129
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: you're guilty until you're innocid, until proven guilty, I should say,

1130
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: and you should always have the right to represent yourself

1131
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: or be represented and things like natural justice always have

1132
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: existed in our system exactly right. So what happens to you,

1133
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: a personally like you when you see these and obviously

1134
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: people ring you up internally, these reach out to you

1135
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: and tell you these things, but these complete anomalies as

1136
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: to the way we should be conducting ourselves. Most of

1137
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: the strainers would see these things because you're in the

1138
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: You're in in that vibe and people are going to

1139
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: be letting you know, some of which you may not

1140
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: be able to check accuracy or not, but doesn't matter.

1141
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: Let's just say ninety percent in inaccurate. Let's say ten

1142
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: percent are accurate. For just for the sake of the conversation.

1143
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: What does that make you feel? Because you know you're

1144
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: hearing about all these events that are occurring, which just

1145
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense in overall fairness. Yet at the

1146
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: same time you see the larger event like deporting someone

1147
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: who hasn't committed a crime like that, that sort of inequality.

1148
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: It makes me really wonder what's going on in our

1149
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 2: country and what the future looks like. Like I said,

1150
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: I've got two kids, what's it going to look like

1151
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: in twenty years time?

1152
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: Do you think? Do you think it's a Labor Party thing.

1153
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 2: This is a good question.

1154
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: Is it a left of the labor because the Labor

1155
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: Party right now is run by the labor left. It's

1156
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: not like Chris Mins is all like that, like the

1157
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: you know, like at at a state level, we don't

1158
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: see to have the same issues. You know, a lot

1159
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: of crimes are state law too.

1160
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: That's right.

1161
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: But at the federal level we have a left leaning

1162
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: government for sure, and they appoint left leaning bureaucrats because

1163
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: that's what anyone will do if we had a right

1164
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: leaning government at a point right leaning. It's just totally

1165
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 1: because they want to you know, they want to pursue

1166
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: their own ideology. Do you think it's about the left

1167
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: left leaning Labor Party in Australia. I mean, it's sort

1168
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: of a similar vibe going on in the UK at

1169
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: the moment.

1170
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: Very much, isn't it.

1171
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: It's not in the US, although they asked, they are

1172
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: fighting the Democrats big time and there's riots and all

1173
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: sorts of shit going on there.

1174
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: They've always had problems in the US. Yeah, look, it's

1175
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: hard to say because is it a new phenomen Yeah,

1176
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 2: I dare say it may be like man to tell

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00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 2: you the truth. Before this, I was never into politics.

1178
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: But you're right in the middle of a now mate.

1179
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 2: Now man, I am front and said it like when

1180
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 2: I reached when Bob Cutter's team reached out to me,

1181
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: I got on the phone to his chief of staff

1182
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 2: and she's like, you're the best. We all watch you

1183
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 2: in Parliament and I'm like, oh wow. And then she

1184
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 2: put onto another lady that worked for Bob and she's like, yeah,

1185
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 2: we all watch you too. So it's different parts and

1186
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh shit, you know it's crazy. But look,

1187
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 2: coming back to your question, I'd love to say that

1188
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: that is the problem left leaving left leaning labor, and

1189
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 2: that if we get another government in, if we get

1190
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 2: new power, and it changes. But I feel like we

1191
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: won't change. We're almost too far down this path that

1192
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: the government are going to keep pushing the direction they're

1193
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,240
Speaker 2: pushing because they've gone government.

1194
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: You mean the politicians.

1195
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 2: Politicians.

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Speaker 1: What about if Tony ever came back, because Tony is

1197
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: I reckon Tony might be they're going to come back.

1198
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 2: I've heard whispers myself.

1199
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: He's launched his book, he's been on our show. Very interesting, Yeah,

1200
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 1: you know, and Tony is a good warrior style PM.

1201
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: The problem is, now, do you reckon has gone too phoney?

1202
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: Mightn't be able to change it back?

1203
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 2: A prime minister themselves don't change anything.

1204
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: The whole crowd. He has have a really strong part

1205
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 1: round and what strong.

1206
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 2: Parties are they?

1207
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like we've seen.

1208
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: Literally what's very interesting now is watching the rise of

1209
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 2: One Nation, people are starting to realize, like we need

1210
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: someone that has a real sack, someone that's ready to

1211
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 2: just say whatever they think, not care about the backlash.

1212
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 2: But they need a team. And there was actually someone

1213
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 2: I was speaking to the other day. He said, well,

1214
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: he thinks and you may. You can weigh in on

1215
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 2: this yourself. If one Nation keep growing in support, he

1216
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 2: goes the Libs and Labor will just preferential vote one

1217
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: another so they stay in power. Two. Now what does

1218
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 2: that tell you? Personally? That tells me that's two wings

1219
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 2: of the same bird. It doesn't matter what side's in,

1220
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 2: you go on the same way. And if that happens, man,

1221
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: that that proves what I'm saying, because One Nation and

1222
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: Labor are head to head right now in the polls

1223
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 2: apparently what I last saw. So if that happens, where

1224
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 2: do we go as Australians.

1225
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: Did you think there's it's funny as you're speaking, I

1226
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: was just thinking about the Labor Party when I was

1227
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: growing up as a kid, and in that seat that

1228
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: you were talking about at the Lakember punch Bowl, that

1229
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 1: territory I grow our local member was a Labor Party person.

1230
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: His name was thing. It was either John Durak or

1231
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: something like that. I think it was Durak. I was

1232
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: just a kid, and I'm talking sixty years ago, and

1233
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: he represented the working class. But the working class were

1234
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: Ossie with Greek, Italian Lebs, Anglo white Anglo people or whatever.

1235
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: Everyone just worked. Now. I mean, you worked for a living,

1236
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: work in a factory, he worked in a shop, he

1237
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: worked for the government or whatever. You working class no

1238
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: that much, but they represented him.

1239
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 2: Do you think.

1240
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: The Labor Party has sort of changed its it's fabric

1241
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: massively out of touch. They don't represent that class anymore, man.

1242
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone in politics does anymore. To tell

1243
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 2: you the truth, you may have the odd few like

1244
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 2: I spoke to. I've forgotten his name. One of catter parties.

1245
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 2: He just left it. I've forgotten his name. I had

1246
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: a few good charts with him. He was great, man.

1247
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 2: I reckon, he stood up for the working class. But

1248
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: when I look around at the political environment, now we'll

1249
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 2: call it right, man, I reckon. A lot of them

1250
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 2: have never done a hard day's work in their life.

1251
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 2: And some of them may get really offended if they're

1252
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 2: listening or if they do listen to your podcast, but

1253
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 2: like they do me good. I hope I heard some

1254
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 2: of your feelings. Man, I used to work ninety hour weeks. Sure,

1255
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 2: if you're doing ninety hour weeks in an office is

1256
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 2: a little bit different. You know, go out sweat so

1257
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: you've got to drink ten liters of water in a day,

1258
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: go work in the minds like they don't understand there's

1259
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 2: a massive, massive disconnect between the every day Aussie hard worker.

1260
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter where he or she come from,

1261
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: no religion they have.

1262
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 2: Don't care, literally doesn't matter. And this is where I

1263
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: mean I call for unity about it all the time.

1264
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 2: Might say, like, you need to understand we're all the same.

1265
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter black, white, yellow, brown.

1266
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: I don't, And you're right, you know, that's a really

1267
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: good point. Like I'm glad you said that. We're got

1268
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: to stop talking about religion. Yes, we're gonna stop talking

1269
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: about what color my skin is. Yes, who where my

1270
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: parents come from? Because we all do. Even I start

1271
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: off saying, you know, the Greek thing, but like but like,

1272
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: but like, but all that's bullshit at the end. It

1273
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: might help you like certain songs or certain type of food,

1274
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: or certain sports, or have a fond memory of a

1275
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: grandfather or a grandmother or whatever it is, but ultimately

1276
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: we're all the same. And in this country, we're all Aussies.

1277
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: I'll add one thing in you're an Aussie if you

1278
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 2: subscribe to the Aussie way. Yeah, if you're coming here it's.

1279
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: Going to be strain values, then you're Aussie. Yeah. And

1280
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: that's what that's the message I said, It's going to

1281
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: be strained values.

1282
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: And I feel as though have.

1283
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: You ever heard a politician and say what values their

1284
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: party stands for?

1285
00:59:59,600 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 2: Not?

1286
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: Would that be refreshing, It would be not as of late,

1287
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: not at all.

1288
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 2: And that's a that's a really good point.

1289
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: Like, like, list them. These are Australian values. These are

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Speaker 1: the values we think Australia stands for. Bye, b vote

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Speaker 1: for us or don't vote for us.

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Speaker 2: Haven't heard at all a lot of people, you know,

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Speaker 2: and I think, I think, coming back to what we

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Speaker 2: were saying, politicians, they hold themselves up here, all right,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of people feel like they're down there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we are down there. Well, there's no taxes,

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Speaker 1: collect the collect the GST and and shut the fuck up.

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Speaker 2: Mate. They put their hand in your pocket and rip

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Speaker 2: everything out. At this point, you know, like I'm slowly

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01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 2: starting to get into entrepreneurship, Like I'm trying to launch businesses,

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Speaker 2: do little things here and there, and I keep learning

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01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 2: about this new tax or this new thing they steal,

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01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 2: and then this new thing they go for, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: holy shit, how do you get ahead?

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Speaker 1: Well, these days, we collect the taxes for them, and

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Speaker 1: we pay them in advance. So we pay our own

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01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: personal taxes in advance of the next year on what

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Speaker 1: we're going to earn the next year. If we're an entrepreneur,

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Speaker 1: and we collect every dollar that we receive with ten

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Speaker 1: percent of that we collect us for the government, and

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Speaker 1: we go to pay them every quarter or whatever arrangement is.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know any countries at all like that.

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Speaker 1: We not only pay the tax, we collect the tax.

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Speaker 2: Mate. It's insane, And you know, I was listening to

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Speaker 2: a great podcast the other day. But the point I'll

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Speaker 2: get out of it is that look at a country

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Speaker 2: like UAE or Dubai, very resource rich, very rich nation. Now,

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Speaker 2: why the fuck aren't we rich?

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Speaker 1: We got more resources than all of those nations in

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Speaker 1: the ways, much more. But the tax rate there is

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Speaker 1: only like ten percent. It's here. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: it's not like they've got a whole lot of pre

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Speaker 1: existing infrastructure. A big desert. They're building empathy, so it's

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Speaker 1: a big desert. We have all the resources in the

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Speaker 1: world here. We were some of the best resources in

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Speaker 1: the world in certain categories than any other country, both

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Speaker 1: in quality and volume.

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Speaker 2: But we don't make anything from it.

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01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: But we the country don't make anything out of it.

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Speaker 2: We literally, I hate using this word, such a vile word.

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01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 2: They rape our country for fuck or it's what it is.

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01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 2: They're not making intimate love. We're not getting anything back.

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Speaker 2: We're just getting obliterated. They're digging it open. They're taking

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Speaker 2: all our gas, they're taking all the uranium or coal,

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Speaker 2: all everything, even our livestock expert, What do we make

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Speaker 2: for it? Like we could be rich Australians Australia could

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Speaker 2: be a superpower in that aspect.

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Speaker 1: Could we could be on a per capita based the

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Speaker 1: richest nation of the world per capita for every person exactly?

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Speaker 2: But what does that tell you about the people running

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Speaker 2: the show?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You know this and this look, this stems into the

1344
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 2: whole back room deals of who's making what where and

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01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 2: who ends up in this position after they get out

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01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 2: of politics. And these are all questions that need to

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01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 2: be asked. Like, I don't delve into it that much.

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Speaker 1: Gain you ever see yourself potentially as being a politician.

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Speaker 2: Mate, I've been asked this many time. I feel as

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01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 2: though it changes my audience. So if I was to

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01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 2: join a party become an independent, people would automatically think

1352
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 2: now that I've sold out to become one of them.

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01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 2: And I feel as though in a day and age

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01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 2: where we've got your Joe Rogan's, your Andrew Tates, your

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01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 2: Myron Gaines or different American names that have skewed politics

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01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 2: outside of it, Australia needs people like that because I

1357
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 2: feel as though you look at Ralph Babbitt, Senator Babbitt,

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01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 2: he blows open heaps of stuff. He's like, there's no

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Speaker 2: change in this not from the inside. And that says

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01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 2: something when you were a senator replying to people on

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01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 2: Instagram saying Australian government's doomed. I can't change it. You

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01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 2: need a few more people than just in the house.

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Speaker 1: And do you think about it? The coman I was,

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Speaker 1: I happen to work with a made hm one this morning.

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Speaker 1: We'll talking about the concept of democracy and a sort

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01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: of concept lusion and I drew as I said, we

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01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,439
Speaker 1: in every we only have one democratic day every three years,

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01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: and that's the day we're asked to vote. We're all

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01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: given the right to vote every other day for the

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Speaker 1: next two years and turndo sixty four days. There's no

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Speaker 1: democracy because true democracy, back when it was first invented,

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01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: was everything was debated. Everything was debated. They debate everything

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01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: every day, or they still do. Greeks still do, but

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01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: they correct they't. They still debate it, whereas here there

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01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: is no debate. So policies, policies are decided about by

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01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: who controls the Parliament and they take the view is

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Speaker 1: that well this, for example, these laws that are coming

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01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: out now, whether they're right or wrong, it's a different

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01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: is a different issue. But the laws that have been

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01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: proposed and the laws that will be proposed for the

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Speaker 1: rest of the year. A lot of those laws are

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Speaker 1: based on things that have just happened, correct, not things

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Speaker 1: that we knew about at the time we were voting.

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01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: We and with therefore we did not know anybody's policy was.

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Speaker 1: So that's not democracy. So do you get bothered by

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01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: that fact? I mean, do you get into that whole

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Speaker 1: process of do I live in a democracy anymore?

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Speaker 2: As of late?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, peeps.

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Speaker 2: Even the example you gave, you said, we have one

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Speaker 2: day where we're given a right to vote. We don't

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01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 2: even have a choice because you get a fine if

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Speaker 2: you don't. Yeah, how's that a democracy?

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01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: Then?

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01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you don't actually have free choice, yeah at all.

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Speaker 1: You are told you have to vote pick aside.

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Speaker 2: Or you're paying two hundred and five dollars or fifty

1398
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 2: exactly right the cues.

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Speaker 1: And now, right now, this pick acide mentality is getting worse,

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01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: so much worse. They're not just saying pick a side politically,

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01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: they're saying pick a side in relation to these laws

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01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: that are not coming out, these new laws, and then

1403
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 1: nearly sort of saying are you pro anti semitism or

1404
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: you pro is lemophobia exactly? Or when it comes to

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01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: these kids who aren't a sixteen year old, kids who

1406
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: can't look at social media? Are you pro freedom? Freedom speech,

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01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: and freedom of access to what's online? And parents should

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01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: be the ones who are monitoring this. They pick a side.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's all they want to do. But you

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Speaker 2: know what they do from that, They divide and conquer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that old game has been done around for

1412
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Speaker 1: a long time. Divide and conquer, and it works. Man.

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Speaker 2: Look at Autralia. Look at Australia right now. Australia right

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01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 2: now is a perfect example of divide and conquer. I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be getting threats if we weren't divided to start with. Yeah,

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01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 2: you know, without that unity whenever changing what these people do,

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01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 2: because you need to unite as a whole. Imagine if

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Speaker 2: everyone stopped voting for one side. Don't get me into

1419
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 2: the preferential voting system. That's the fight too, right, totally.

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Speaker 2: But imagine if they just all ticked one person's name

1421
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: with a number one everyone then one. It's a landslide,

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01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 2: right and if it goes the other way, well then

1423
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 2: you know they're playing funky business.

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01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: And then sucking it all right, start again, you know exactly,

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01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: So what would you say? You're you stand for unity,

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01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: then you want it? But is that a Is it

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01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 1: possible in today's age? Is it day and age? Is

1428
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: that practical? I mean we live in an age where

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01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: around the world where divided. Everyone's around the world seems

1430
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: to be divided everywhere except in the place where there's

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01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: one dude who controls the whole joint.

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Speaker 2: I feel as though the unity that I'm talking about

1433
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 2: is not unity where we have to agree on everything.

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01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 2: It's the unity that I can sit down with anyone

1435
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 2: in Australia and although we may have differences, we can

1436
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 2: see above all we're human beings. That's the unity and

1437
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 2: talk about our differences without yelling and screaming or getting

1438
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 2: violent and threatening. And I said, I even said this

1439
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 2: to my old round the other day. I said, I'm

1440
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 2: sick of people getting emotionally charged when they're talking about

1441
01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 2: a topic that they're not comfortable talking about, because it

1442
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 2: tells me that they do not have the intellectual ability

1443
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 2: to stay calm and think about what they're talking about.

1444
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 2: That's a problem, man. And in twenty twenty six, when

1445
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,439
Speaker 2: we are living in a world where kids can change

1446
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 2: their gender or a person can identify as a cat, Like,

1447
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 2: what the fuck is going on? Like normal conversation is

1448
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 2: no longer considered normal, And that's the unity I'm looking

1449
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 2: for we have.

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01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: But Joey, do you think that's like only maybe that

1451
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: has always existed, just that those people know I've got

1452
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 1: a voice and were because I just my gup feeling.

1453
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: Is my gup feeling is the majority of the population.

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01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what that percentage is, but is more

1455
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: like this conversation and what unity?

1456
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 2: Yes?

1457
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: And there's just a few out there though, on the edges,

1458
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,719
Speaker 1: who seem to be able to make a lot of noise.

1459
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 2: See, I wish I could agree with that on a whole.

1460
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 2: But when I've done reels on example, Islamic extremism, my

1461
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 2: comments are full of low intellectual races, blanket hating all Muslims,

1462
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 2: and that's fucked up.

1463
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1464
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,799
Speaker 2: You know, if I do a real on an African

1465
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 2: criminal and I say he deserves to be deported, they

1466
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 2: say deport them, all right, And I think we'll hang

1467
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 2: on a second. How the fuck are we going to

1468
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 2: have unity when you guys are just throwing blanket statements.

1469
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 2: So this is a problem when I feel as though

1470
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:26,600
Speaker 2: people like us Mark, we aren't that common anymore. And

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Speaker 2: what I mean by that is if we had differing views,

1472
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 2: I'd happily still sit here and talk with you. Many

1473
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,759
Speaker 2: people aren't like that because they've come they've been pushed

1474
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 2: to such a point where they're looking for someone to blame.

1475
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 2: They're looking to let their emotion out onto another community,

1476
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 2: religious community, whatever it may be. And that's where we're at.

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Speaker 2: And it's fucking scary, man, because I feel as though

1478
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 2: Australia is a powder keg after BONDI if we get

1479
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 2: another BONDI like event, that keg might go bang.

1480
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Speaker 1: Well, we've got as straight out coming up, you know,

1481
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 1: and this podcast is going out and around that time,

1482
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: what do you think? What are you thinking? What are

1483
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 1: you feeling? Mate?

1484
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 2: Personally, I feel as though from my circles and MI crowds,

1485
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 2: very tame, very safe. No one's got hate in their

1486
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 2: heart at this point in time.

1487
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: That are people that I talked to.

1488
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 2: There's a massive march up in Brizzy, which is connected

1489
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 2: to a bunch of guys that I know. Not much

1490
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 2: for Australia. I've forgotten the name slip my mind. Now

1491
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 2: big AFP presence, private security presence, politicians going which is unreal. Now,

1492
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 2: what's going to be interesting? And probably by the time

1493
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Speaker 2: this is released no or not? In New South Wales

1494
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 2: as you may or may not know, they've put an

1495
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 2: indefinite band on the two week band protests yep. So

1496
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 2: what they may turn around to do in Sydney or

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01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 2: New South Wales No Australia Day March. So I'm a

1498
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 2: bit concerned about New South Wales. I won't lie because

1499
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 2: the last thing we need now is a handful of young,

1500
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 2: dumb eighteen nineteen twenty year olds getting met with right

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01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 2: police getting told to go home and they're like, no,

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01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 2: fuck you, it's our come, don't do that.

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01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: Well will you do?

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01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 2: What do you mean?

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01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: Well, Chris Kedler was doing that day? Mate? What are

1506
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 1: you doing Australia Day.

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01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 2: I'll probably go to Brisine to tell you the truth. Yeah, depending,

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01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 2: I haven't told anyone yet, but if this has gone

1509
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 2: out around then it's not a bother. Yeah, it'll probably

1510
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 2: go to Bristine. You know, it's going to be a

1511
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 2: good vibe. Like I said, there's politicians out. I'm pretty

1512
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 2: sure Pauline's going pretty sure, Bob cat is going AFP

1513
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 2: presence private security for people like them.

1514
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: But you'll make it a work date. Let's call it

1515
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 1: a workday or a mission dated percent.

1516
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,679
Speaker 2: Like if I wasn't going to that, to be honest,

1517
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 2: I'll probably be at the beach for my family barbecue.

1518
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 2: I have a barbecue. That's you know what, it's interesting

1519
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 2: Australia Day, right, So we've got the whole Invasion Day

1520
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 2: marches that want to go on. And I did it

1521
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 2: reel and I said, I've got fatigue hearing about Invasion Day.

1522
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:49,560
Speaker 2: And the reason why it is is when I was

1523
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 2: a boy. So when I was fourteen, when we started

1524
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 2: drinking in parks on Australia Day made it didn't matter

1525
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 2: what color you were, we were all.

1526
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 1: Everyone got on Australiaday, right, all got on it.

1527
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 2: Even my Indigenous friends. But now that's changed, man, and

1528
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 2: you've probably seen it over your life more than more

1529
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 2: than more than I. Indigenous and Australians used to celebrate

1530
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 2: Australia together. Yeah, sure, there was that small amount that

1531
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 2: we're like, nah, I don't like this. Sure that movement

1532
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 2: has grown massively in the past three years. Four years,

1533
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 2: five years to the point where that will create civil

1534
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 2: unrest in a big way. And I also worry about

1535
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 2: an Australia Day March meeting one of their marches.

1536
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 1: This is the final things. A lot of people would say, well,

1537
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 1: get involved is one. I just live my life. Why

1538
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: don't you just live your life? See your family and

1539
01:12:52,840 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 1: your kids, missus parents, you know, do you work and

1540
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 1: don't worry about it? Man.

1541
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 2: In my opinion, it's a man's responsibility to protect his

1542
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 2: community as well as his own.

1543
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 1: Is that that's your thing.

1544
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,560
Speaker 2: I look at my kids and I think, if I

1545
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 2: leave my head in the sands and just make money,

1546
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 2: come home, play dad, play husband, when I die, I've

1547
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 2: left them sure money, but what else? What happens when

1548
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 2: they step into the real world where fucking boys wanting

1549
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 2: to be girls as normal, where we don't get rid

1550
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 2: of violent criminals, but we de poor people that haven't

1551
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 2: committed crime. You're leaving your children a world that is

1552
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 2: completely like it's a dystopian world.

1553
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 1: So it's duty.

1554
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 2: It's duty man, it's personally. I find it a man's

1555
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 2: duty to look after his children, not only when he's

1556
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 2: in the world, but do his best to make sure

1557
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 2: when he leaves this world leaves them something worth living.

1558
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 1: And do you think you're trying to affect change or

1559
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 1: use trying to stop the changes?

1560
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 2: Mate? Personally, I feel as though my mission at this

1561
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 2: point is to wake the masses, and that's what I

1562
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 2: feel like I've done in a big way. This year

1563
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 2: for me is going to be very transformative twenty six.

1564
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 2: This year, I want to start making change in the

1565
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 2: sense of building relationships between communities. Won't be easy, especially

1566
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 2: because a lot of people have that preconceived he's a race.

1567
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 1: Give it gives an example.

1568
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 2: So I've got a few big leaders from the Muslim

1569
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 2: community that want to have to sit down with me

1570
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 2: on a podcast, which is unreal.

1571
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah that is.

1572
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 2: I've got people from the Jewish community that want to

1573
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 2: sit down with me, which is unreal. I've got former

1574
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:43,560
Speaker 2: criminals that want to sit down with me that have

1575
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 2: completely turned their life around, gone to God and they're like, man, like,

1576
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 2: you've got kids, need to leave that life behind pays nothing,

1577
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 2: you know. So I feel as though with my platform

1578
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 2: I've grown, I want to use it now to show

1579
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 2: people that a the politicians don't give a flying fuck

1580
01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 2: about us, right, But be irrespective of me disagreeing with someone,

1581
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 2: I will still sit down and have a conversation with them.

1582
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 2: So I feel as though this year last year was

1583
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 2: my audience grow yep, build everyone up to see who

1584
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:11,600
Speaker 2: I am, what I'm about, what I stand for this

1585
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 2: year is to show the people that although I may

1586
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 2: not agree with someone, I'll still sit down with them

1587
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 2: have a conversation. I'll let people have their own air time.

1588
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:20,599
Speaker 2: And what I find is very interesting. I actually got

1589
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 2: called out the other day on Instagram by an Indigenous

1590
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 2: duties like, oh, you're at this and you're at that.

1591
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 2: I said, man, I'll pay for you to come to

1592
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 2: my podcast, sit down and have a chat with me.

1593
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 2: You think you took me up on the offer, of

1594
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 2: course not so. What I'm also proving is that there

1595
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 2: is a large portion of people that are happy to

1596
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 2: have very strong opinions, but two weak to go onto

1597
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 2: a stand up exactly. So, man, on that note, like

1598
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 2: the biggest thing I can say to your listeners. And

1599
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 2: I know it's a very different demographic to mine. When

1600
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 2: I say stand up or it's a duty to protect,

1601
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 2: I don't say, I don't mean go on your phone

1602
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 2: and yell at your phone like I do. I don't

1603
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 2: mean talk to your neighbors about what's going on the world.

1604
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 2: I mean, if you have the ability to get involved

1605
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 2: with your children's future, whether it be you're going to

1606
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 2: coach their soccer teams, you're going to get involved with

1607
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 2: their schooling. You're going to make sure you get them

1608
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 2: into martial arts. You're protecting them, and you're making sure

1609
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 2: that these weird ideologies not making their way into their life.

1610
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 2: You are doing your duty. Not everyone has to pick

1611
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 2: up or follow my path, you know, in any way,

1612
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 2: shape or form. But if you're one of the people

1613
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 2: that do want to stand up and talk, get on

1614
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:23,679
Speaker 2: social media, tell say your peace, you know, write letters.

1615
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 2: If you want to get involved in politics, do it.

1616
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 2: You know you don't. It's very clear at this point

1617
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 2: in time you don't need to be a very strong

1618
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 2: individual to be a politician at all.

1619
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 1: It sort of seems that way, it does, doesn't, you know.

1620
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 1: So if you want to disappointed, as I am to say.

1621
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 2: That, yeah, as of my man, these are the people

1622
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,719
Speaker 2: that lead our country, you know, or lead our country.

1623
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 2: So making change looks different for everyone, But be a

1624
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 2: part of the change before it's too late. That's that's

1625
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 2: my biggest message I can send.

1626
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: Well be Jocky Chris Cret Catalyrist has been a great conversation.

1627
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed myself. Listen to what your points of

1628
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: view are and what's amazing and good on your mum

1629
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 1: and dad. They should be proud of you. And you're

1630
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: biological mother. If she ever gets to know you for

1631
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: all you know, she may well know you, she may

1632
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 1: well listen to this. But well done for all of them,

1633
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 1: your whole family, the whole lot, your wife, everybody, because

1634
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 1: everybody has to bear the part of the burdens that

1635
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 1: go with this stuff. And this is not an easy

1636
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 1: road that you've chosen for everybody exactly right, and you

1637
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: do it. You're strident about your position. You express your

1638
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 1: views very eloquently. Every now I think it gets a

1639
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: bit emotional, but it doesn't matter. We know what you're saying.

1640
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 2: Emotions good man.

1641
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good to be real. It's good to show

1642
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: how you really feel about something as opposed to being

1643
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 1: really composed. It's good to see that side of somebody.

1644
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, you're a young From my point of view,

1645
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 1: you're a young man, and not many too many young

1646
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: men would have the communas to go out there and

1647
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 1: put themselves out there, not like this. Yeah, so well done,

1648
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: Thank you very much mate,