WEBVTT - #178 Lucinda Price: Inside the World of Froomes, her creative process & a candid discussion on Body Image 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:03.520 My Boris and this is straight Talk the Center Price 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:05.240 welcome straight Talk. 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:07.200 Thank you for having me. 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:09.360 I actually follow you on Instagram. 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:10.959 I saw when you followed me. I thought, I've got 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:11.760 to get on this podcast. 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:15.520 Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you. And and of 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:17.880 course one of the things I got to know where 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:21.640 his name Frooms comes from, Like, tell me about the 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:23.040 name for rooms? What the hell does that mean? 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:26.239 What does it mean? Yeah, it's my mum's maiden name. 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:28.960 Oh really, yeah, so you so you just go away 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:29.840 your mum's maiden. 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.040 Name pretty much. But I thought, who has a made 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.480 a name like that when I was growing up? The name? 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:37.479 Boy, you use it enough? I mean it's a it's 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.080 Froome's world, of course. But one of the things I 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.000 want to talk about is your book, so I will. 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:45.880 I'm not going to start there, though hopefully we'll evolve 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:49.280 down there, because you know, these conversations you can go anywhere. 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:50.840 What are you drinking? Match it to you? Are you? 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:51.960 Yes? I have had one. 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:54.880 I have had match it But it's a bit bitter 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:55.160 for me. 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:56.760 You can get used to it. 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:57.520 Is that a hell thing? 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.040 You get? The slow police caffeine? 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:01.440 Yeah? 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:03.240 I went through a phrase of not drinking coffee, which 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:06.840 is very unlike me. I given to all of my vices. 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:09.920 But I thought that's kind of something different and it's nice. 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:13.480 Yep, did you get the next door there? Make match 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:15.320 of two next door. I'm going to try it. I'm 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:17.280 definitely gonna try it because I was reading about it. 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.240 How you know, it's just from a health point of view, 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:22.240 it's better for you instead of drinking coffee. Like I'm 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:24.440 a coffee I drink too many coffees. I drink like 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.479 three or four coffee is a day easy. My first 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:30.440 one is about quarter to five in the morning. Oh really, 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:32.840 and that's at home. Yeah, So like literally when I 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:36.000 first wake up, like within ten minutes, I'm jamming a 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:41.160 little like espresso down my gob and I know it's 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.280 so good for me, but like otherwise, you know, I 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:46.880 can't see, I can't walk, I can't move, and you 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.160 know it's good off to me. So it was slightly 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.880 off topic, but nonetheless, so I want to talk about. 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.040 What I want to talk about is the origins of 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:59.200 why you wrote the book. But before we talk about 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:03.600 the book, can we go and also the book's title? 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:06.560 Before we go there, let's just go back a little bit. 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:10.280 What happened in your life that made you feel as 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:11.760 though you should write a book? 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:12.760 Oh? 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.280 Like and what are those events? 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.120 Yeah? Well I always wanted to write a book, and 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:21.680 I've said before I think it's like part of being 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:24.520 someone who likes to express themselves. I think a lot 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.120 of people have this desire or this kind of dream 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:30.240 to write a book. It's lucky that I have worked 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:31.640 as a writer for ten years, so I had the 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:32.480 skills to be able to. 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:34.840 Do it in what capacity? Were you working as a 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:36.200 writer for ten years? 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:38.760 Always online? So the first thing I ever wrote was 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:40.880 for a friend's website that she created, and it was 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.800 pretty much just her and I that would write articles. 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:45.560 The first thing I ever wrote was about my dad, 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.840 like going down the street on a rollie chair from 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.079 hard Rubbish. So I've always kind. 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.680 Of watched what is that from herd rubbish? What is 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:55.320 hard rubbish? 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:56.800 You know what heart rubbish is? 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:57.840 No, what's hard rubbish? 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.760 Oh that's what we call like when you put the 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:03.040 junk cat from your house? 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.720 Yeah, what do you call it? I don't know? Junk? 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:10.040 I have done it? Yeah, no, I totally have. But like, 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:15.760 because you see the people driving around especially right picking 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.080 up good bits of it, a good piece of furniture, 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:19.280 and I iced to think, Oh, that's called the people 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:21.440 are going to get sort of recycled, et cetera, or 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.440 reuse it. It's called hard rubbish. So your dad is 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:26.919 at some stage, Is it a real deal? Your dad 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:29.200 at some stages founded a chair with rolls on it 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:30.720 or something and roll down the hill. 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:35.720 Yeah, And I remember it's so yeah, he features in 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:37.400 a lot of my content. Maybe not as much anymore 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.880 because he's down in Victoria, but I just never never forget, 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:42.360 like he was on this roller cheat and all these 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.480 kids from the neighborhood were running down this big, long 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:46.480 street with him. But it's one of those things where 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:50.080 I don't know if I'm remembering it correctly or embellishing it. 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:51.920 But you wrote a story about that. 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.760 Yeah, So I guess my point being, I've always written, 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.640 I've always kind of weaved personal stories into the things 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.120 that I've written, not so much much to talk about 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.200 myself all the time, though people might think that I 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:05.880 do that. It's more to I guess connect with people, 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.160 and yeah, maybe retaining it is. 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.200 Let's just take that one story is the purpose of 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:16.800 that though is to tell the story about what you 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:21.440 saw your dad doing, Like, actually I'm storytelling in your case? 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.120 Or is it to build a connection between the people 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:25.080 you want to tell a story to. 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:28.560 It's probably a bit of both. I'd honestly say it's 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.640 more of Colin May. I've always just wanted to entertain. 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:33.640 I want to I want you to read something and 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.680 enjoy it and enjoy yourself. And part of that is 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.919 like learning how to get into a story quickly and 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:43.080 keep people's attention. For me, anything I ever do is 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.880 about grabbing someone's attention and maintaining it for as long 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:46.320 as I can. 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.440 Here you, I mean, I look at yourself on instagramers. 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:52.240 As you said a moment ago, on social media, you 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.800 are a pretty expressy person naturally. Even when you walk 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:57.520 in this room, like you know, you can sort of 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:01.440 feel an energy as you sat down, there's an energy there. 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:08.760 Is your expressiveness? Is your outlet in relation to your 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:14.760 expressiveness social media and all your writing? Or is your 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.320 expressiveness your brand? 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:22.680 Oh well, I guess it's always. I've always had an 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:24.880 expressive face from the very beginning. 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:28.360 I can tell look at because that's the way you look, 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.640 the way you move your face, your eyes, everything about you. 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.840 I can just there's you're like an actress. 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:41.080 Thank you. Yeah, I'm lying all the time. So yeah, 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.320 I guess that's just in built into my personalities to 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:45.880 be I guess enthusiastic is what I would call it 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.360 an expressive and you're part of the expression. I think 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.479 the one that I find the most rewarding because you 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.040 have to use skill for it, is the writing, Whereas 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.320 I think social media just the way that those platforms 0:05:56.360 --> 0:06:00.400 are designed, creativity isn't always at the forefront of that. 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:05.159 How do you mean, For instance, on Instagram, I'm a 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.279 lot more strategic than when I write. When I write, 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:09.560 I can kind of go a bit more. 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.360 On Tangent, you can wander around a little bit. 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:16.279 Yeah, Whereas Instagram it's all very visual. To keep people's 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.240 attention with the algorithm you kind of have to put 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.240 on your story, for instance, a photo where you look 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.080 pretty and then a photo from far away and then 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.200 some text, but you have to wrap the text in photos. 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:28.360 It's a whole. 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.080 Different beast, much more strategic then. 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:30.960 Yeah. 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:35.760 So writing then, to some extent, is nearly a little 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.840 bit of an escape because you know, like being on 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:41.840 social media, like you are, and you're there a lot. 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:46.160 I mean, you work it pretty hard, which is and 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:48.119 it's always got to be on brand or what people 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:53.520 expect of you. As to your brand is quite constraining, 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:57.240 whereas writing by the sound of things, it allows you 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:00.440 to escape. Yeah, you know, it's a bit more relax 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.000 You can just move and move and manove yourself around 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:07.080 the place. So is your book an escape for you? 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:13.120 Yeah? Absolutely. Because of the format, it was a challenge 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.520 because I couldn't use photos. I didn't want to do listicles. 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.320 I wanted to challenge myself to write something as if 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:24.720 I'm someone who studied writing, but I started I started 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.040 writing on the internet, so obviously when I started, you 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:31.000 can add photos and videos and gifts and emojis, whereas 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.320 with a book. The whole time, with the expressiveness, I 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:35.440 wanted to put emojis in there, but you couldn't. So 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.800 I had to find a way to express myself in 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.280 the way that emojis would be used. I'm a massive 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:46.880 emoji fan. In the book, no, but in words, in 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.760 words intense. You should see my text there Aladdin, because 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.640 I find it quite funny and I like that. But yeah, 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:54.760 I think the writing is definitely an escape in the 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:56.920 sense that you don't have that pressure to be on 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.600 and play by the social media platforms rules because every 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:02.560 single one has a different rule. Yeah. 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:04.600 So, and most people don't realize that. I think most 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:07.440 people who look at social media who aren't in social 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.960 media but as opposed to more an observer of social media, 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.640 they're not looking at They're just looking at what appeals 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:16.280 to them. And of course social media works out what 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.280 appeals to you and starts feeding it the same stuff 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.720 that like in over my social media, my Instagram page, 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:23.960 and the guys who run it in one of them 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.080 sitting over here must wander to themselves when my feed 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.440 is always jiu jitsu stuff like I get like so 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:32.600 many has worked out I like jiu jitsu stuff, and 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:34.640 it just keep feeding me this stuff time after time 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.040 after And I know the guys are probably thinking, so, 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.520 what's Mark looking at it all the time, but that 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:42.920 it's very it's very clever. So you have to be 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:47.040 clever too in terms of building your presence, and is 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:50.720 your presence on social media? Is that a business decision? 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:53.120 Is there a business around that for you? 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:57.720 Yeah? I think when I started I started my Instagram 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.360 when I was working as a journalist at a young 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.760 media company, and so my Instagram was purely an outlet. 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.840 I would sometimes post work videos, but mostly it was 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:11.000 just this kind of place to be silly and post 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.680 whatever I wanted and be really absurdest. Whereas when I 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:18.200 lost my job at this youth platform, I didn't have 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:20.760 a website. I mean, I got a sub stack, which 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:22.800 is where I have my newsletter, which is kind of 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:27.160 where the books began, but I didn't really have an 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:29.719 alternate platform. So now my Instagram is definitely the one 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:31.439 place on the Internet where I put the most stuff. 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:35.280 I'm promoting my book, I'm promoting like paid partnerships, but 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:40.200 I'm also maintaining things that I'm passionate about. But I'm 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.840 also very strategic with what I don't put there because 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:46.079 I think it's very easy to start treating it like 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:47.720 a diary, which I don't want to do. 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:52.240 Yeah, so that's interesting. So you know you have paid 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:56.160 partnerships as basically what you're saying, there's money involved, which 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:59.760 is important. You've got to make money because otherwise, specially 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:01.560 if you're spending all the amount of time you spend 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.920 on social media and social media takes a lot longer 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:09.280 than everybody knows, and it's just much more sort of intense, 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.839 just the preparation, the editing, the whole thing. Therefore, we 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:15.640 have to make a dollar out of it because your 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:19.760 time you're putting into it. If you're in your sense, 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:26.920 in your terms, you're telling us about what though on 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:28.760 your social media. So what are you trying to build 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:30.520 your audience off the back of, Because you know, if 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:31.920 you don't have an audience going to you don't have 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.160 any commerce involved with you. If you don't, if you 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:39.280 know one looks at your stuff, then the agencies will 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:42.520 pay your money to do partnerships. They won't give you 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:45.040 any money. Tough, Like, you've haven't got a big enough 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.679 audience to build an audience, you've got to have a message. 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:52.160 So what is your message or what are your messages? 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:55.360 What are they sort of fit around? 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:59.680 Yes, my message always is so simple. It's to entertain. 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:05.840 I don't think there's any higher, like higher idea at play. 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:08.680 I don't want to pontificate. I'm not here to teach 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:12.680 you a lesson. I'm here as like an escape and 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:16.600 I try and make things that I find funny. And 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.400 that's kind of what that's a contribution that I bring 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:21.679 and it suits me. That's what I got into it force. 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.319 I knows when I'm feeling a bit uninspired or it's 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:26.280 feeling a bit laborious, and I think, oh, why did 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.240 I get Instagram in the first place. I didn't have 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.040 social media before I started doing this job. Like, I 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.679 didn't have Instagram in year twelve in UNI, mostly because 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.000 I was like too worried about the following count, Like 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:40.680 I didn't want to follow more people than followed me 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:41.880 because I was kind of been like. 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.320 The top of the profile. Yeah, yeah, you follow ten thousand, 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:47.640 you have you follow ten thousand, you have three thousand 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:48.080 following you. 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.680 Yeah, I can't be doing that. So social media before 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.000 I began creating on it was a source of anxiety, 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:56.480 and to be honest, oh. 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.520 Really, yeah, I think so you got anxious about it? 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.520 Yeah, because I've yeah, I kind of get anxious or 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:03.200 do it Does it look like I've got enough friends? 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:07.240 This that always kind of been very cognizant of where 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.240 I stand in the social peaking order, which is part 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:13.440 of the book as well. But yeah, I try and 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:16.600 remind myself I didn't get into this to swipe I'm 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:18.839 just here to create things, and that's mostly what I do. 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:20.720 One of the things I thought you might have been 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:26.040 doing is using comedy to talk about issues because you 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.360 are you are a comedian, I mean you are. You 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:33.640 are naturally a funny person, and you you do you 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:34.600 do stand up comedy? 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:36.520 No, I don't do stand up. I'll do sometimes like 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.559 a cabaret sull performance. Yeah, and I'm open to doing it, 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.760 but I wouldn't do like open mic or getting up 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:44.320 every night. I tend to do a set. 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:48.200 It's not my But you are naturally comedic in what 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.160 you do. You like to take the piss out of 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.080 things and sort of be funny. In fact, you take 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:53.040 the piss out yourself a bit. 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:53.640 Yeah. 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:57.560 Yeah, you don't mind sort of using yourself as that 0:12:57.640 --> 0:12:59.960 you're the medium through which other people might have a lot. 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:01.280 Yeah, I love that. 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.959 Yeah? Or does that ever sort of put are you 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:06.040 putting yourself down? 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:06.640 Is that? 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.839 I don't understand that, Like, I mean a lot of 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:14.559 people do it. Don't get it wrong, But how does 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.480 that feel like putting yourself down? 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.400 Well, I don't see it as putting myself down. 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.800 I think we're making yourself the subject of the piss take. 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:26.680 Some people might see it that way. 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.040 I think typically the things that I'm taking the piss 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:30.880 out of a thoughts that I've had, not so much. 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:35.040 I don't beerate myself or make myself smaller on social media. 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:39.520 I don't find that funny. I don't find self conscious 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.400 kind of humor. It's not really my style. I always 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:44.760 the way that I approach it is like And whether 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:46.320 or not I'm doing this right now, I'm not sure. 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.880 Because book promotion has taken precedence and probably everyone's probably 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:51.560 like sick of it, But I have a book to promote. 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:53.000 Where is your book? By the way, did you bring 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:53.280 it in? 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:55.240 No? I didn't see what I mean, I've been too 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:56.360 focused on my social media. 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.800 We will talk about it and we'll bring it. We'll 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:00.920 get someone bring the book in a second. You bring 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.240 one along? No, you didn't bring a book? Wrong? 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.480 I know. Look, I had a whole launch in Melbourne 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:06.719 with just family and friends, but. 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:08.560 There's a Sydney. 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:10.720 That's what I'm saying is I always figured to bring 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:14.680 it but with us. Yeah, I'm wearing yellow. That's part 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:15.640 of the covert's yellow. 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.520 The cover's yellow. But because I was going to just 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:21.640 flash up there in front of the camera say buy 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.200 this book. And I don't get you to sign up 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:25.960 if you don't mind sending me a sign one please 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:30.880 because because clearly the book's important part of your party life. 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:32.040 And I want to talk to and I did talk 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:33.200 to you about it a moment ago about and I 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.760 did Ashmoga, And you haven't quite answered me yet. What 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:39.680 are the things that happened in your life that you 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:44.040 inspired you either that or motivated you to put into 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.080 this book? So they body image for example, those sorts 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.680 of things, Yes, talk to me about that. 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:52.720 So I never thought that I would write anything personal. 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:54.840 Like I said, I'm here to entertain. I want to 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.200 make it about my internal thought process is that people 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.800 have also experienced. That's when I'm funniest, I think is 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.680 when I'm writing about something that I think, oh, maybe 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.240 no one else thinks like that. Turns out everyone thinks 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:07.680 the same. So the book is kind of an extension 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.560 of that. But I focused on my experience of an 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:12.960 eating disorder and cosmetic surgery. 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:16.320 You had an eating disorder, yes, in which way you 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:17.800 ate too much, you ate not enough. 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:22.200 What they kind of see nowadays is it kind of 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.040 both to be honest, but it really became a problem 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.040 when I was anorexic or I had anorexia. Rah, you 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:33.800 won't call someone an anorexic. And that was when it 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:37.360 tipped over. And that's because of processes where if you 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.240 get too hungry, your brain stops working. So that kind 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:41.960 of eating disorder, I think gets a lot of attention 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:43.960 because of that reason and because there's a lot of 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:47.080 physical changes. But then I went into I had believe 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:48.000 in before that, So. 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.280 That's often difference between the two. Believe is the one 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.480 where you go with pure gup all the time after 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:52.800 you eat. 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.400 Yeah, or you can do other and I won't get 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:58.080 into them, but you can do other kind of purging behaviors. 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.800 Exercise a lot, do things some mitigate eating, and it's 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.920 often not necessary and it's very cyclic. You stay in 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:05.440 a cycle. 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:09.600 And when you were anorexic, do you mean you were 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:13.600 anorexic looking or you were just underweight? I mean how 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.080 slim or skinny did you get? 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.520 So to speak, the way that they diagnose it. Part 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:22.640 of the reason they diagnose it is when you're b 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.240 and I as a certain level, but now there are 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:26.880 you can be a higher weight and you could be 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.160 the way that I am now and be classified as anorexic. 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:33.840 It's definitely broadened because not everyone looks the same. I 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.640 think we've got this very specific idea of what someone 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.720 with anorexia looks, and then heats, people go undiagnosed and 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:43.680 it goes up and down. But yeah, I was definitely. Yeah, 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:47.160 I was unwell and it was visible and physical, and 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:50.480 I wanted to write about that because it was very 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:52.400 obvious and it should have been very obvious to people, 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:56.400 But it wasn't obvious to psychologists that I saw, or 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:58.880 doctors psychiatrists even that I. 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:03.760 Saw during anorexic period, or you were seeing them not 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:08.240 as an anorexia patient but as just another patient. You're 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:10.520 seeing it for some other reason, like a mental health reason. 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.600 Yeah. Yeah, because I was depressed and I thought that 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.000 in my mind, I thought I've got the perfect body. 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.080 Now I was very aware of how you know, I was, 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.719 but I thought I look great. But I feel so depressed. 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:23.879 I feel so hollow and like I don't want to 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:27.800 do anything. Nothing means anything. I don't have friends, I'm 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.520 spending so much time alone. This can't be related to 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.200 the fact I'm not eating enough food. It's just something 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:33.920 else is going on. 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.560 Can you just like it helped me out here, because 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:39.640 I like, I love my food, so I just can't 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:46.720 sort of imagine what's going on? What? What? What? What? What? 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:50.240 What starts off this? Let's call it this anorexic period. 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.639 And I don't mean becoming anorexic like at the end 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:59.359 of it. But what starts off this process of not 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:03.920 eating enough nutrition for example in a broad sense. But 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.119 is it an event in your life? What was it 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.240 an event? Or you thought you're watching social media, thought 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.879 I'm not skinny enough, or were you unhealthily overweight? What 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:13.240 was it? 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.960 No? I was always like straight size. I was never 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.879 teased for my weight. I never had an issue with 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:23.439 eating or food prior to being kind of twenty or 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:27.320 twenty one. It started when I moved to Sydney. So 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.000 I moved from Melbourne to Sydney for work. 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:30.000 Sydney can do that. 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:31.960 Yeah, I think that was part of it, to be honest. 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.720 It was this beautiful city, lots of hills. I lived 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:37.240 alone for the first time without my parents, so I 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:41.000 had to learn how to cook myself food. And I 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:42.600 had this idea that when I'm in Sydney. I'm a 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:46.040 whole new woman. I'm old now, I'm an adult. 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:47.360 I won did you say yeah? 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:49.280 I was twenty three by the time I moved to Sydney, 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.440 and I felt so adult. I guess it tipped into 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:56.960