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Speaker 1: I'll get it.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another installing the show. It's the You Project.

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Speaker 2: We've got the bloody Irish connection. I haven't told them

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Speaker 2: that I'm twelve and a half percent Irish. They'll fucking

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Speaker 2: love me once I tell them that. It is, of

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Speaker 2: course the You Project. David eccles, Tyger Connelly, Hi, boys,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having us. Yeah, it's great. You even swore

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Speaker 3: so you're certainly Irish.

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Speaker 4: Well that's a half percent of you, Craig.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, my grand my grandmother's name is Molly Malone.

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Speaker 2: There's not it can't get much more Irish than that.

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Speaker 2: That's not even a joke, right, that's a real name.

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Speaker 4: There's a given mecha make and you're bringing two of

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Speaker 4: us in your podcast, so we could be in a

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Speaker 4: bit of bother here.

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Speaker 1: I think we could be all right. We'll start with you, David.

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Speaker 2: Tell tell my audience a little bit before we start

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Speaker 2: talking about w now uh and for those of you

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Speaker 2: at home who struggle, just press the translate button and

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Speaker 2: you might go and understand half.

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Speaker 1: Of what he says. Tell us a little bit about you.

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Speaker 1: Your background.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, background is Irish, obviously, from the North of Ireland

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Speaker 4: from a county called Tyrone, a small town called Oma.

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Speaker 4: Lived over here in Australia now for sixteen years, married

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Speaker 4: to a beautiful Australian Argentinian wife, Cynthia. Three young kids six,

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Speaker 4: four and one. So I'm in the middle of it

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Speaker 4: at the minute. Blessed of an upbringing in Ireland, in

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Speaker 4: the North of Ireland, which we grew up in the

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Speaker 4: middle of what we call the troubles over there, but

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Speaker 4: it really surrounded me by community, amazing family, amazing community

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Speaker 4: ship too was but loving living over here in Australia

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Speaker 4: and everything Australia has to offer in the outdoor lifestyle

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Speaker 4: so awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what about you birthday boy? Well some Yeah,

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Speaker 2: my audience is seventy female and I wouldn't say a

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Speaker 2: big ifl kind of following, but most people will probably

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Speaker 2: know who you are.

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Speaker 1: But give us the ty Canelly snapshot.

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Speaker 5: Hey guys, my name's Tiger. If you don't know me,

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Speaker 5: google me.

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Speaker 1: Jesus. How happy is he with himself? Danny?

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: I do a bit of coaching, so I tell this

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Speaker 3: They're looking at me again, who is this bald old

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I was born born.

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Speaker 3: In County Kerry, a small country tongue called the Store

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Speaker 3: in the West of Ireland. Family community. All the brother,

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Speaker 3: younger sister, had a great childhood. Didn't have a whole lot,

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Speaker 3: but have had a wonderful childhood. I was loved a lot.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of love in the house. And you know,

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Speaker 3: we didn't didn't have a lot of weld, but we

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Speaker 3: certainly had a lot of love. And it really influenced

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Speaker 3: me as a young man to I supposed to shake

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Speaker 3: me who I am, And then I thought was a

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Speaker 5: My dad was bort success from a sport.

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Speaker 3: My brother and I've got an opportunities, need you know,

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Speaker 3: Sydney Swans. And I was looking to play for fifteen years.

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Speaker 3: And I'm no married with a beautiful wife, Nicole, and

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Speaker 3: my apple which ways it go?

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Speaker 2: Whichever way this is, I think it's I think it's

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Speaker 2: appler you it's a good thing, you know, A fucking

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Speaker 2: English teacher, that's for sure. I am twenty five twenty

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Speaker 2: five years, twenty five years. You've been here, mate, You've

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Speaker 2: you've got you haven't lost much of that accent at all,

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Speaker 3: Depends who you ask. I am sometimes when I do

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Speaker 3: talk to my Irish friends and what's happening to you?

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Speaker 3: But I slip into the Irish accent pretty quickly, I

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Speaker 3: In the football world, I've learned to speak a bit

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Speaker 3: slower than some media work. You learned to speak a

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Speaker 3: small bit slower like David, and I hasn't done all

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Speaker 3: out of media working. I can I can see you

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Speaker 3: But look, it's I'm a very proud Irish man, very

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Speaker 5: So it's a bit of a challenge.

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Speaker 1: Good luck trying to sell that.

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Speaker 2: Hey, So we're not here to talk about YouTube Bullfeds,

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Speaker 2: although we do love to know you backstory and we

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Speaker 2: appreciate you both. We're here to talk about this amazing

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Speaker 2: organization project. I don't know what we what do we

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Speaker 2: call it, David? Do we call it an organization and

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Speaker 2: outreach of project?

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Speaker 1: What do we call it?

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Speaker 5: What do we call w Now?

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Speaker 4: It's been described as a movement, a little movement. We

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Speaker 4: had a retreat. We do an annual retreat. We call

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Speaker 4: it a retreat, not a retreat because Trey selling the

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Speaker 4: retreat to a grip a man and they won't go

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Speaker 4: And they overheard about it, the ten of our fellows

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Speaker 4: trying to describe what w and I is, and they

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Speaker 4: were arguing about what it is and how do you

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Speaker 4: a man's health movement. They call it.

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Speaker 2: Awesome And what's the what was the genesis? But firstly

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Speaker 3: I've got David. W and I was formed just over

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Speaker 3: three years ago with David and I. I've been going

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Speaker 3: it was someone who was worth connected and.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't. And until David started reaching out, and I

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Speaker 3: Really, I felt like my life was played out in

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Speaker 5: But I kept saying now.

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Speaker 3: And we're trying to instill in men to drop the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's awesome all still in a society, it's bloody

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Speaker 1: Does it vary?

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Speaker 2: Do they?

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Speaker 1: How does it work?

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Speaker 4: What happens on a So we meet up at Weddinson

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Speaker 4: sixty men of suicide every sixty minutes around the world.

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Speaker 4: So that brings everybody back to the way we're here

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Speaker 4: emotions are. It's unlike any other meal environment I've been in.

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Speaker 4: Like if I go back to going into the pub

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Speaker 4: we celebrate. We absolutely celebrate the winds in life. But

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Speaker 4: it's an absolute safe space where people can speak about

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Speaker 4: A monce fellows realize that they're going to be getting

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Speaker 3: a physical point of view, and in schools but we

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Speaker 3: certainly don't do a lot with the mental tools of

439
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Speaker 3: helping young boys and girls to develop with the stresses

440
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 3: and struggles of life. And it's certainly an area that

441
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Speaker 3: needs a lot of looking into because it's a it's

442
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Speaker 3: a piece that's not being touched for mine, because.

443
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Speaker 2: There's it seems to me, tiger like, there's there's a

444
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Speaker 2: real balancing act between and between letting our kids fall down,

445
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 2: you know, scrape their knees, build resilience, do hard things.

446
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 1: You know, you ran the race, you came last. That's okay.

447
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Speaker 1: I still love you, You're still my kid. It's all good.

448
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 2: Sometimes you're going to come first, Sometimes you're going to

449
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 2: come last. It's okay, right, But at the same time,

450
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Speaker 2: you know, we need to be loving and we need

451
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Speaker 2: to be aware of their feelings, Like, what's that kind

452
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Speaker 2: of as a dad, what's that that line that you

453
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Speaker 2: walk between not wanting to molly cuddle them but also

454
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Speaker 2: not throwing them.

455
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Speaker 1: To the wolves.

456
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Speaker 5: It's ardist balance and the hardest challenge I find in

457
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Speaker 5: my current life. You know, I've got.

458
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Speaker 3: About twenty jobs at the moment, but the most important

459
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 3: one is raising my kids. And I find it extremely

460
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 3: difficult to even at the sporting field or just a

461
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Speaker 3: school piece with homework and the balancing act of not

462
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Speaker 3: stepping in because you want to hug them and kiss them,

463
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Speaker 3: and it's very difficult to do. And I get it,

464
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 3: and I understand it because when your kid balls, I

465
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 3: hurt themselves. You don't want to see them disappointed. But

466
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Speaker 3: you've got to consistently remind yourself. And I'm consistently learning

467
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 3: and educating myself around and what it means to be

468
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Speaker 3: a better dad and a better man, constantly reading it,

469
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Speaker 3: you know, and I'm consistently challenging my own thoughts on

470
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Speaker 3: you know, an example, my middle boy very very in

471
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Speaker 3: touch with emotions, and some people will say he's soft,

472
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Speaker 3: and my initial tendency was to push him through this piece.

473
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Speaker 5: And go, what are you doing?

474
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Speaker 3: You need a tough enough And that was my own psyching,

475
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 3: but in fact it was me that I need to

476
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Speaker 3: be looking at no, I need to be embrace in

477
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Speaker 3: this lovely young man that's in touch with these motions,

478
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Speaker 3: that's caring, that's kind, And that's exactly what I've done,

479
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 3: bestly true, just learning and improving myself as a person.

480
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Speaker 3: So I've got that piece right from just look at

481
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Speaker 3: myself to help my young finessing through and them and go,

482
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Speaker 3: come on, you got.

483
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Speaker 5: To tough and up and you know.

484
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Speaker 3: And that's all I can say really as far as advice,

485
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: and it's only I'm learning. David will continue to tell

486
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 3: the echos to say, we're all as a dad, I

487
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Speaker 3: certainly don't know the answers when I'm trying my best.

488
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Speaker 2: It's interesting because in psychology there's a thing called the

489
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Speaker 2: false consensus effect, and it says basically that we think

490
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Speaker 2: others think like us, right, But obviously it's like us

491
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 2: three are in one conversation, but we're not having the

492
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Speaker 2: same experience because none of us are identical psychologically, emotionally,

493
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Speaker 2: sociologically or physically. Right, So, and it's not necessarily about

494
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Speaker 2: agreeing with but just understanding someone else's version, like what's

495
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Speaker 2: your version of this? Because it ain't my version and

496
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Speaker 2: it doesn't need to be my version.

497
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Speaker 3: It's so good I find out court and courting your kids,

498
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 3: and I could get frustrated and frustrated with a piece

499
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 3: of I'm trying to teach them and how they're not

500
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 3: getting it, and then understanding that piece of well, we

501
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 3: all don't think the same or my kids are not

502
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Speaker 3: going to be the same as me. But as parents

503
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Speaker 3: who often think, oh, well, I'd love my kids to

504
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Speaker 3: do this that, and we try and insteal what we

505
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Speaker 3: think we would like as a what's.

506
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Speaker 2: It called, Oh, that's called false consensus effect, But that

507
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: is where you assume that other people think like you.

508
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: But I'll give you a couple more terms that you

509
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 2: might both like. So there's another interesting term. And I

510
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 2: apologize to my audience who get bored with my bullshit. Right,

511
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Speaker 2: But there's a really interesting area of research called metacognition,

512
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: which is just thinking about thinking. Then up from that

513
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: is another area called theory of mind, which is your

514
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: ability to understand the mind of someone else, right, not

515
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: agree with it, not endorse it, not support it, just

516
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Speaker 2: understand it.

517
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Speaker 1: And then this is probably something you'll.

518
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Speaker 2: Find maybe the most fascinating, which is my PhD research,

519
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,959
Speaker 2: which is on a thing called metaperception, which is your

520
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: ability to understand that you experience for others. So the

521
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: question at the center of my research is what's it

522
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: like being around me for the rest of the world,

523
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 2: whether that's yeah, whether that's my kids, my wife, my athletes,

524
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 2: my business, partner, you know, the people listening to this podcast.

525
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: So me, as a professional communicator, educator, corporate speaker, I'm

526
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 2: always trying to at least have an insight into what

527
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Speaker 2: it's like for the audience in this moment.

528
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Speaker 5: Do you become you become too self?

529
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question.

530
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Speaker 2: So there's a difference between so some people misinterpret as oh,

531
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Speaker 2: you know, do they like me?

532
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: It's not that.

533
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 2: It's not about insecurity or self loathing. It's about self awareness. Like,

534
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 2: here's the thing, right, you might be expressing something to

535
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 2: a bunch of athletes, young athletes tie and in your

536
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: mind it makes sense. It's clear, you're articulate, it's not confusing.

537
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: And you've got twenty young footballers. Five of them are

538
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Speaker 2: fucking confused, five of them are having a light bulb moment,

539
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 2: five of them are bored, and five of them are inspired.

540
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: Because and it would be more diverse than that, right,

541
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: because the only person in the group thinking like you

542
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Speaker 2: as you. So the question the question is how do

543
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: I share this thought or idea or message or strategy

544
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 2: in a way which has the most resonance with this group,

545
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 2: And that would be you could ask that same question

546
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Speaker 2: with fifty blokes on the beach at a w now

547
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Speaker 2: kind of get together, right. It's like, and I would say,

548
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 2: you guys are already doing that on autopilot to an extent,

549
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 2: because you're trying to You're not trying to make them

550
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: be you or be like you. You're genuinely trying to

551
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: connect and understand. So you do it somewhat naturally, I

552
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Speaker 2: would think, But there's a whole raft of research around it.

553
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: And in the corporate space, I'll shut up after this,

554
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 2: but you might be interested. They are a fuck load

555
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 2: of bosses, managers and leaders who are absolutely shit at this,

556
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: and they essentially don't care what people think, which is

557
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: a really bad strategy. So it's not being worried about

558
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 2: whether or not people like you. That's a different thing

559
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: that's in security. It's just about understanding, is the way

560
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: that I'm communicating optimal for this moment, for this group.

561
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Speaker 1: For this you know, whatever we're in.

562
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's flip flipping the mainset from being an ego

563
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 4: centric main set seek and approval. I think to be

564
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Speaker 4: in a service given mainsat rate and think, and I

565
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 4: think that's where happiness comes in the service giving, not

566
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Speaker 4: the seeking approval or the ego centric approach ate.

567
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Speaker 2: Well, the moment that it's about you, then you fucked up,

568
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: because especially with the work that you boys do, and

569
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Speaker 2: I think like the question what is that Stephen Covey

570
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: and a few others have said over the years like

571
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: seek first to understand and then to be understood. So, hey,

572
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Speaker 2: so how does it work? So you said, David, you said,

573
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Speaker 2: there's twenty five chapters?

574
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Speaker 4: Yeah, go yeah, twenty five chapter is growing by the week.

575
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Speaker 1: So is there a leader for each one?

576
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Speaker 2: Is there?

577
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Speaker 1: How does it work?

578
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: Like?

579
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Speaker 4: So we've we've chapter leads for each chapter, but the

580
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 4: growth has really been in the last six months nine months.

581
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Speaker 4: Like a little bit of the backstory is it was

582
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Speaker 4: as Tag said, I have only two treats as a friend.

583
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Speaker 4: It's consistency and being annoying. So it was me constantly

584
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Speaker 4: trying to pull them out of the host to get

585
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Speaker 4: thrown under the beach. And two became four became it

586
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Speaker 4: became sixteen, but it was just in one location. Then

587
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Speaker 4: we got a call from the New South Wales Mental

588
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Speaker 4: Health Commission one day saying, hey, you guys coming to

589
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Speaker 4: the award ceremony on Friday, and we didn't know. We

590
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 4: didn't know there was an award ceremony, we didn't even

591
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Speaker 4: know there was a Mental Health Commission. But she gave

592
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Speaker 4: us our Community Champion of the Year and that cut

593
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Speaker 4: the word out there a little bit. So people in

594
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Speaker 4: Balmorle approached us about starting one the other side of Sydney,

595
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Speaker 4: so we had to create a template if you want

596
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Speaker 4: that they could do, because we couldn't be in two

597
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Speaker 4: places at once.

598
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Speaker 5: We've got a.

599
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Speaker 4: History of saying yes to things and then thinking how

600
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Speaker 4: to do it after I think you know, and then

601
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Speaker 4: Bond II, which everybody knows in Sydney, started about eighteen

602
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Speaker 4: months ago. Koogie, our fourth chapter, started the fifth of July,

603
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Speaker 4: so this time last year and I'm not going to

604
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Speaker 4: go through the rest, but it was a slowish start

605
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 4: because we never intended it to be this But now

606
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Speaker 4: that word has got out there thanks to the podcast

607
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 4: like This and a couple of TV programs in the

608
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Speaker 4: last in the last six months, it's really growing from

609
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Speaker 4: from that four to twenty five overnight different chapters around Australia.

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Speaker 4: We now have won in New Zealand, two in Ireland,

611
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Speaker 4: one in America or New Zealand opening we have one

612
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Speaker 4: kicking off in Cyprus. We've one kicking off in Dubai.

613
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Speaker 4: We've required of assis done in Antarctica that want to

614
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 4: kick one off in Antarctica. And it's just they're contacting us,

615
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 4: associating with seeing, seeing what we're doing, going hey, that

616
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 4: looks cool. Can we start one of them here? We appoint,

617
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Speaker 4: We appoint that We kind of bring them through a

618
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Speaker 4: little bit of basic basic training and the everyday man.

619
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Speaker 4: Anybody can pick it up. Anybody can run a program.

620
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Speaker 4: We support them. We've got a little pack, We've got

621
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Speaker 4: a two pager which tells them what to do. We

622
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 4: give them the exercise routine to do every week, and

623
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Speaker 4: then we do a bit of coaching around the language

624
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 4: which they should use throughout throughout the program. But two

625
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Speaker 4: your earlier point staining and early in. We're not psychologists,

626
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Speaker 4: we're not therapists, we're not doctors. We're just about creating

627
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 4: safe and supportive spaces where men can come drop their

628
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 4: body armor and just be their authentic selves for an

629
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Speaker 4: hour or a week.

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I love it. I love it.

631
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Speaker 2: And so I mean, on a practical level, if people

632
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: want to get involved, how do they do that?

633
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 4: The website is WNI w now dot com dot au.

634
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 4: There's a big button in the middle of it to

635
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 4: contact us, and they just send us an email and

636
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 4: we'll get back to them within twenty four forty eight hours.

637
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 4: You'll also see a button and it's saying about joining

638
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 4: us at a w NI chapter. There'll be a drop

639
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 4: down there about our twenty five locations that will get

640
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 4: you into one of the WhatsApp grips and then you're

641
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 4: in the family or the tribe from there.

642
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Speaker 2: So well, boys, I think what you do is amazing

643
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Speaker 2: and I genuinely mean that, and I don't know if

644
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Speaker 2: I can help in any way, but I'd love to

645
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: be involved or help you at the very least support

646
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: you through the you project and our listeners. And i'd

647
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: encourage our listeners. If you're a dude or you've got

648
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: some dudes in your life who maybe would benefit from

649
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: being involved, just reach out to the boys. Just go

650
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: to the w OW website and get involved. But for now, Tig,

651
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: thanks so much. Is there any parting message from you, sir,

652
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: to any blokes who might be struggling.

653
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think in the now and the head Craig,

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Speaker 3: you know, reach out to your mates FoST of all

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Speaker 3: a simple text or a phone call. You don't know

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Speaker 3: what people are going through, and often say it to

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Speaker 3: the guys from chat and put your fine on and

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Speaker 3: text that person that you've been thinking about because sometimes

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Speaker 3: you think it gets too long in a relationship and

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Speaker 3: I haven't.

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Speaker 5: Got there, I haven't talked to them in three months,

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Speaker 5: four months, gone too far. Just just fucking do it.

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Speaker 5: It's the best thing you do. And that'd be very appreciative.

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Speaker 3: And I think the world's full of great, great ideas,

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Speaker 3: but not enough people doing doing shit and getting shit done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: And David, if people reach out via the website, you

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Speaker 2: or one of the team will get back to them.

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Speaker 2: I reached out to you to have a chat with

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Speaker 2: you too on the website and you, I think got

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Speaker 2: back to me or someone got back to me really quickly.

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Speaker 2: So if someone wants to reach out, they'll get a response. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's our mission, it's their mission to help a

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Speaker 4: million man be better. Where we're about five percent of

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Speaker 4: the way there at the minute, I would say, so

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Speaker 4: please everybody reach out, no matter where you are in

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Speaker 4: the world. Will help you get set up either join

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Speaker 4: a W Night chapter or set you up with your

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Speaker 4: own W Night chapter.

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Speaker 1: Perfect.

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Speaker 2: All right, boys, we'll say goodbye Affair, but for now

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Speaker 2: we really appreciate having the chat with me and connecting

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Speaker 2: with our audience here.

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Speaker 1: Thanks boys, Thanks craigat