1 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,130 Sean Aylmer: Welcome to the FEAR and GREED business interview. I'm Sean 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,969 Sean Aylmer: Aylmer. After weeks of speculation and uncertainty, the stage is 3 00:00:11,969 --> 00:00:14,999 Sean Aylmer: now set for Vice President Kamala Harris to take on 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,389 Sean Aylmer: former President Donald Trump for the White House. Harris' position 5 00:00:18,389 --> 00:00:21,419 Sean Aylmer: as the Democrat's candidate is, well, it's not quite there 6 00:00:21,420 --> 00:00:24,150 Sean Aylmer: yet, but it's pretty close with all of her potential 7 00:00:24,150 --> 00:00:28,109 Sean Aylmer: rivals thus far declaring their support for her; following Joe 8 00:00:28,110 --> 00:00:31,139 Sean Aylmer: Biden's decision to withdraw from the race. And donors too 9 00:00:31,139 --> 00:00:34,289 Sean Aylmer: are getting on board with the Harris campaign, raising an 10 00:00:34,289 --> 00:00:37,470 Sean Aylmer: enormous amount of money in the first 24 hours after 11 00:00:37,470 --> 00:00:40,650 Sean Aylmer: Joe Biden stepped down. The change has certainly reinvigorated the 12 00:00:40,650 --> 00:00:43,680 Sean Aylmer: Democrats campaign with Donald Trump heading into the final month 13 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,830 Sean Aylmer: with a lot of momentum though; so will it be 14 00:00:46,830 --> 00:00:49,920 Sean Aylmer: enough, the change? Bruce Wolpe is a senior fellow non- 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,589 Sean Aylmer: resident at the United States Studies Center. He has worked 16 00:00:52,590 --> 00:00:55,740 Sean Aylmer: with the Democrats in Congress during President Barack Obama's first 17 00:00:55,740 --> 00:00:58,650 Sean Aylmer: term. Last year he published Trump's Australia, which looks at 18 00:00:58,650 --> 00:01:01,440 Sean Aylmer: the potential for Donald Trump to return to the presidency 19 00:01:01,710 --> 00:01:04,110 Sean Aylmer: and what it means for Australia. He joins me now 20 00:01:04,139 --> 00:01:06,569 Sean Aylmer: from Colorado in the U. S. Bruce, welcome back to 21 00:01:06,569 --> 00:01:07,230 Sean Aylmer: FEAR and GREED. 22 00:01:07,650 --> 00:01:09,959 Bruce Wolpe: Can't get enough FEAR and GREED, Sean, so it's wonderful 23 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,100 Bruce Wolpe: to be here. Thank you so much. 24 00:01:11,819 --> 00:01:15,090 Sean Aylmer: What's the process now for Kamala Harris to become the 25 00:01:15,090 --> 00:01:17,250 Sean Aylmer: official candidate? Firstly, do you think she will, and what's 26 00:01:17,250 --> 00:01:17,820 Sean Aylmer: the process? 27 00:01:18,420 --> 00:01:20,221 Bruce Wolpe: She will. It's been a very dramatic day- 28 00:01:20,221 --> 00:01:20,222 Sean Aylmer: It sure has. 29 00:01:20,222 --> 00:01:24,959 Bruce Wolpe: ... In politics in the United States. Let's just go 30 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,410 Bruce Wolpe: back to Biden's announcing that he was standing aside Sunday 31 00:01:28,410 --> 00:01:31,200 Bruce Wolpe: afternoon, 2 P. M. in the East, to tell the 32 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,860 Bruce Wolpe: nation and the world that he was going to leave 33 00:01:35,010 --> 00:01:40,110 Bruce Wolpe: the field, and he endorsed Kamala Harris. In the 36 34 00:01:40,110 --> 00:01:43,589 Bruce Wolpe: hours since, as you said, the money has been flowing 35 00:01:43,590 --> 00:01:47,129 Bruce Wolpe: in at an amazing rate, 50 million U. S. and 36 00:01:47,129 --> 00:01:51,900 Bruce Wolpe: there's another a hundred million in super PAC contributions that 37 00:01:51,900 --> 00:01:54,930 Bruce Wolpe: are coming back. So the Hollywood crowd and others in 38 00:01:54,930 --> 00:01:58,979 Bruce Wolpe: business who were hesitant to support Biden because his prospects 39 00:01:58,980 --> 00:02:01,709 Bruce Wolpe: were so poor, they're back. But the amazing thing is 40 00:02:01,710 --> 00:02:04,470 Bruce Wolpe: that she has virtually cleared the field within 24 hours. 41 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,100 Bruce Wolpe: She has no opposition. All those who were rumored to 42 00:02:08,100 --> 00:02:11,370 Bruce Wolpe: be or thought of to be opponents or competitors for 43 00:02:11,370 --> 00:02:14,729 Bruce Wolpe: the nomination; particularly Gavin Newsom, Governor of California, and Gretchen 44 00:02:14,730 --> 00:02:19,319 Bruce Wolpe: Whitmer, Governor of Michigan; have declared, no, they're supporting Kamala 45 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,790 Bruce Wolpe: Harris. So she has locked this thing up literally overnight, 46 00:02:24,359 --> 00:02:27,870 Bruce Wolpe: making hundreds of phone calls, talking with people. And so 47 00:02:28,169 --> 00:02:31,018 Bruce Wolpe: this is a done deal, and she will be the Democratic 48 00:02:31,020 --> 00:02:35,550 Bruce Wolpe: nominee, and it's shocking in a good way for the 49 00:02:35,550 --> 00:02:38,819 Bruce Wolpe: Democratic Party and for their prospects in November that this 50 00:02:38,820 --> 00:02:39,389 Bruce Wolpe: has happened. 51 00:02:40,410 --> 00:02:45,450 Sean Aylmer: Okay, so we go to the convention where she's formally 52 00:02:45,630 --> 00:02:46,800 Sean Aylmer: nominated, is that right? 53 00:02:47,220 --> 00:02:50,759 Bruce Wolpe: Yeah. Let me back up just one more moment. People 54 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,359 Bruce Wolpe: were worried. So Biden leaves the field, he endorses Kamala 55 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,328 Bruce Wolpe: Harris. Others are thinking about it. What kind of process 56 00:02:57,330 --> 00:03:00,119 Bruce Wolpe: are we going to have to get a convention that's going 57 00:03:00,119 --> 00:03:02,940 Bruce Wolpe: to be unified and the party strengthened and not divided 58 00:03:03,270 --> 00:03:05,790 Bruce Wolpe: and so forth? So again, all that has been shot 59 00:03:05,790 --> 00:03:08,940 Bruce Wolpe: through today and it's done. And in thinking about that 60 00:03:08,940 --> 00:03:12,689 Bruce Wolpe: process, what people were conceiving was a series of town 61 00:03:12,690 --> 00:03:15,959 Bruce Wolpe: hall meetings around the country, meeting with delegates to have 62 00:03:16,139 --> 00:03:20,280 Bruce Wolpe: a primary without voting so people can assess those who 63 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,010 Bruce Wolpe: wanted to take the nomination. Again, we've cut through all 64 00:03:23,010 --> 00:03:26,190 Bruce Wolpe: of that. So what I expect is that she will 65 00:03:26,460 --> 00:03:29,640 Bruce Wolpe: tour the country between now and a month from now, 66 00:03:29,940 --> 00:03:33,119 Bruce Wolpe: August 19, when the Democrats meet in Chicago, and I 67 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,809 Bruce Wolpe: think she'll meet with groups of delegates. Again, Biden released 68 00:03:36,809 --> 00:03:39,120 Bruce Wolpe: all the delegates. He won virtually all of them in 69 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,820 Bruce Wolpe: the primaries. He released them, and I think she'll meet 70 00:03:41,820 --> 00:03:43,470 Bruce Wolpe: with them, and I think she'll have town halls, and 71 00:03:43,470 --> 00:03:45,300 Bruce Wolpe: I think she'll have a lot of interviews and a 72 00:03:45,300 --> 00:03:48,480 Bruce Wolpe: lot of meeting with key constituencies that have been frankly 73 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:53,940 Bruce Wolpe: unenthusiastic about Joe Biden. And so come into Chicago as 74 00:03:53,940 --> 00:03:57,930 Bruce Wolpe: a movement inside the Democratic Party. And so I think 75 00:03:57,930 --> 00:03:59,820 Bruce Wolpe: where people were really afraid, you want to talk about 76 00:03:59,820 --> 00:04:02,460 Bruce Wolpe: fear and greed, that people were really afraid of what 77 00:04:02,460 --> 00:04:05,490 Bruce Wolpe: would happen in Chicago with the convention, and I think 78 00:04:05,490 --> 00:04:08,969 Bruce Wolpe: this could be a celebration of her and honoring Joe 79 00:04:08,969 --> 00:04:12,299 Bruce Wolpe: Biden. What was so interesting was that people said, " I 80 00:04:12,299 --> 00:04:15,000 Bruce Wolpe: love Joe Biden. I care about Joe Biden, but he 81 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,279 Bruce Wolpe: shouldn't run for president." And there were people outside the 82 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,849 Bruce Wolpe: White House with signs saying, " Thank you, Joe," and all 83 00:04:20,849 --> 00:04:24,270 Bruce Wolpe: that. Well, Joe Biden is going to get the strongest 84 00:04:24,509 --> 00:04:27,149 Bruce Wolpe: boost of adulation he's ever had in his life in 85 00:04:27,150 --> 00:04:29,669 Bruce Wolpe: Chicago. And then she's going to piggyback on top of 86 00:04:29,670 --> 00:04:33,000 Bruce Wolpe: that and boom, something new will unfold. 87 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,350 Sean Aylmer: So it certainly reinvigorates the Democrats in terms of the 88 00:04:37,350 --> 00:04:41,219 Sean Aylmer: race to November. Well, at the end of the day, 89 00:04:41,339 --> 00:04:43,499 Sean Aylmer: will it do enough? Will she be able to unite 90 00:04:43,500 --> 00:04:45,779 Sean Aylmer: the Democrats? Does she have a fighting chance? 91 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,990 Bruce Wolpe: I believe she'll be able to unite the Democrats. Democrats 92 00:04:48,990 --> 00:04:53,039 Bruce Wolpe: that are holding out are those Democrats from states that 93 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,490 Bruce Wolpe: are conservative like Montana, where there's an important Senate race; 94 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,359 Bruce Wolpe: Jon Tester, the senator facing a big Republican challenge, he 95 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,180 Bruce Wolpe: may well lose. He's not going to endorse Kamala Harris. 96 00:05:03,330 --> 00:05:07,230 Bruce Wolpe: And then in some suburban districts, middle- class, working suburban 97 00:05:07,230 --> 00:05:10,770 Bruce Wolpe: areas outside of cities, more right of center than left 98 00:05:10,770 --> 00:05:14,309 Bruce Wolpe: of center among Democrats, I think they're hesitant to endorse; 99 00:05:14,309 --> 00:05:16,380 Bruce Wolpe: but I think she'll get the lion's share of Democrats. 100 00:05:16,678 --> 00:05:21,029 Bruce Wolpe: But she presents two big targets for Trump; and for 101 00:05:21,029 --> 00:05:24,779 Bruce Wolpe: him, she is a target rich environment. He will accuse 102 00:05:24,779 --> 00:05:30,210 Bruce Wolpe: her of being a left- wing, radical extremist who represents 103 00:05:30,210 --> 00:05:33,690 Bruce Wolpe: the deep state in everything that Trump is against; and 104 00:05:33,719 --> 00:05:37,678 Bruce Wolpe: she will be tagged as that. And secondly, on the 105 00:05:37,678 --> 00:05:42,480 Bruce Wolpe: issue of immigration, well, she's vulnerable in the economy because inflation 106 00:05:42,510 --> 00:05:45,240 Bruce Wolpe: is not under control yet. Interest rates are still very 107 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,500 Bruce Wolpe: high. That's why Biden's approval rating is so low, 36%; 108 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,349 Bruce Wolpe: hers is just a tad higher. So you have the 109 00:05:52,349 --> 00:05:54,719 Bruce Wolpe: economy as an issue, but the hot button emotional issue 110 00:05:54,719 --> 00:05:57,659 Bruce Wolpe: is immigration. We saw it last week in the Republican 111 00:05:57,660 --> 00:06:01,109 Bruce Wolpe: National Convention. Every speaker mentions it. And this is what 112 00:06:01,110 --> 00:06:02,729 Bruce Wolpe: Trump says, number one, he is going to do; he's 113 00:06:02,730 --> 00:06:05,729 Bruce Wolpe: going to deport 11 million people who are not here 114 00:06:05,730 --> 00:06:10,109 Bruce Wolpe: legally as he defines it. And when she became vice 115 00:06:10,110 --> 00:06:14,488 Bruce Wolpe: president, Biden gave her a mandate over immigration policy, and 116 00:06:14,490 --> 00:06:17,549 Bruce Wolpe: she didn't execute well on it, and it was very 117 00:06:17,549 --> 00:06:21,930 Bruce Wolpe: choppy, judged to be relatively ineffective. So she's vulnerable on 118 00:06:21,930 --> 00:06:24,660 Bruce Wolpe: those two issues. And believe me, that's red meat to 119 00:06:24,660 --> 00:06:27,120 Bruce Wolpe: Trump, and that's exactly what he wants to go after. 120 00:06:27,599 --> 00:06:29,400 Sean Aylmer: Stay with me, Bruce. We'll be back in a minute. 121 00:06:36,029 --> 00:06:39,029 Sean Aylmer: I'm speaking to Bruce Wolpe from the United States Study Center. 122 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,830 Sean Aylmer: What about the age factor? We have been worried about 123 00:06:43,830 --> 00:06:46,770 Sean Aylmer: Joe Biden's age. Do you think Americans will ever be 124 00:06:46,770 --> 00:06:49,229 Sean Aylmer: worried about Donald Trump's age now that there's a 59- year- 125 00:06:49,230 --> 00:06:50,189 Sean Aylmer: old running against him? 126 00:06:50,610 --> 00:06:54,870 Bruce Wolpe: Well, they already were. Polls showed 60 to 70% of Americans believe 127 00:06:54,870 --> 00:06:57,690 Bruce Wolpe: neither Trump nor Biden should be running because they're too 128 00:06:57,690 --> 00:07:01,409 Bruce Wolpe: old. So that's there. So suddenly Trump is old man 129 00:07:01,410 --> 00:07:05,099 Bruce Wolpe: alone on the presidential ballot. And yeah, anyone who looks 130 00:07:05,099 --> 00:07:08,760 Bruce Wolpe: at her sees her out campaigning. She is extremely vigorous. 131 00:07:08,969 --> 00:07:11,609 Bruce Wolpe: And yeah, she can make that case. And the other 132 00:07:11,609 --> 00:07:13,830 Bruce Wolpe: thing that she will deploy are her skills as a 133 00:07:13,830 --> 00:07:17,910 Bruce Wolpe: prosecutor. She was district attorney in San Francisco, attorney general 134 00:07:17,910 --> 00:07:20,250 Bruce Wolpe: of the state of California, and she knows how to 135 00:07:20,250 --> 00:07:23,760 Bruce Wolpe: go after criminals. Well, guess what? Trump is a convicted felon, 136 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,780 Bruce Wolpe: and he's a convicted rapist in a civil court proceeding 137 00:07:27,780 --> 00:07:33,630 Bruce Wolpe: in New York, so a judge. Well, I think she'll 138 00:07:33,630 --> 00:07:36,090 Bruce Wolpe: just say this on the campaign trail, but imagine a 139 00:07:36,090 --> 00:07:39,750 Bruce Wolpe: debate between the two of them and contrast it with 140 00:07:39,929 --> 00:07:42,750 Bruce Wolpe: how Biden was unable to attack Trump. And Trump won 141 00:07:42,750 --> 00:07:47,219 Bruce Wolpe: that debate and devastated to Biden's huge loss and ultimate 142 00:07:47,219 --> 00:07:50,280 Bruce Wolpe: exit from the field. Imagine how she will do and 143 00:07:50,430 --> 00:07:53,940 Bruce Wolpe: could do and what that might mean. So she sees 144 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,420 Bruce Wolpe: huge opportunities in that respect. Now, whether Trump will debate 145 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,660 Bruce Wolpe: her, that's a really big question. I have doubts that 146 00:08:00,660 --> 00:08:03,000 Bruce Wolpe: he really wants to face her on a stage. 147 00:08:03,599 --> 00:08:07,020 Sean Aylmer: So what is it that she brings? What are the voters 148 00:08:07,020 --> 00:08:09,630 Sean Aylmer: that she will be able to drag out for the 149 00:08:09,630 --> 00:08:13,140 Sean Aylmer: Democrats that maybe Joe Biden wouldn't have been able to? 150 00:08:13,350 --> 00:08:15,269 Sean Aylmer: Then the flip side, of course, is that Joe Biden, 151 00:08:15,270 --> 00:08:18,179 Sean Aylmer: that there were a lot of middle lower class Americans 152 00:08:18,179 --> 00:08:20,610 Sean Aylmer: who were prepared to vote for Joe Biden. Can she 153 00:08:20,610 --> 00:08:23,489 Sean Aylmer: track those? So I'm wondering the pluses and minuses of 154 00:08:23,490 --> 00:08:26,070 Sean Aylmer: Kamala Harris in terms of getting people to vote for her. 155 00:08:26,610 --> 00:08:29,340 Bruce Wolpe: I think the pluses are young voters who deserted Biden 156 00:08:29,340 --> 00:08:31,080 Bruce Wolpe: because they didn't want to vote for the old man, 157 00:08:31,500 --> 00:08:34,619 Bruce Wolpe: and they care about clean energy, and she's tougher on 158 00:08:34,620 --> 00:08:38,849 Bruce Wolpe: Israel than Biden was. So that may mute some of 159 00:08:38,849 --> 00:08:43,619 Bruce Wolpe: the Israel Gaza controversy that has really hurt the Democratic 160 00:08:43,620 --> 00:08:47,520 Bruce Wolpe: Party, not unlike what's occurring in Australia within the Labor 161 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,660 Bruce Wolpe: Party on Israel- Palestine. So I think young voters, she 162 00:08:51,660 --> 00:08:55,290 Bruce Wolpe: can bring them back. There are black men in particular 163 00:08:55,740 --> 00:08:58,349 Bruce Wolpe: have been drifting from Biden, and I think she has 164 00:08:58,350 --> 00:09:02,309 Bruce Wolpe: a chance to bring a stronger black vote, just like 165 00:09:02,309 --> 00:09:05,070 Bruce Wolpe: Barack Obama. This would be the first black woman president, it'd be 166 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:10,139 Bruce Wolpe: amazing. And then they're also Latinos. I think she can 167 00:09:10,139 --> 00:09:13,559 Bruce Wolpe: identify with them and help out in that respect. And 168 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,960 Bruce Wolpe: of course, women voting and then the equivalent of teal 169 00:09:16,350 --> 00:09:21,480 Bruce Wolpe: voters in America. So independent minded women who are progressive, 170 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,540 Bruce Wolpe: but not to a extreme degree, who are looking for 171 00:09:24,540 --> 00:09:28,050 Bruce Wolpe: good government to benefit all of society. So I think 172 00:09:28,050 --> 00:09:31,920 Bruce Wolpe: she will try and recover constituencies that Biden lost. At 173 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:36,059 Bruce Wolpe: the same time though, Trump has his base, and after 174 00:09:36,059 --> 00:09:39,300 Bruce Wolpe: the assassination attempt, it is amped up at record levels. 175 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,420 Bruce Wolpe: I've written this, if he had been killed, he would've 176 00:09:42,420 --> 00:09:44,639 Bruce Wolpe: been a martyr, but he lived and he's a living 177 00:09:44,639 --> 00:09:49,439 Bruce Wolpe: martyr. And he is not losing any votes whatsoever to 178 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,619 Bruce Wolpe: Kamala Harris. So the question is, can she attract more 179 00:09:52,619 --> 00:09:55,740 Bruce Wolpe: votes back to the Democrats to replicate the victory in 180 00:09:55,740 --> 00:10:00,000 Bruce Wolpe: 2020 in which Trump was outvoted? That's the issue. 181 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,650 Sean Aylmer: Finally, Bruce, who wins the election? I know you're going 182 00:10:04,650 --> 00:10:06,390 Sean Aylmer: to say a lot of water under the bridge yet- 183 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,949 Bruce Wolpe: You asked me last time. 184 00:10:10,949 --> 00:10:12,598 Sean Aylmer: ... Yeah, I know, I know. I read this, I hadn't spoken to you, 185 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,990 Sean Aylmer: but you did say that Biden couldn't win the election. 186 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:16,890 Sean Aylmer: What about now? 187 00:10:18,030 --> 00:10:20,639 Bruce Wolpe: Well, Biden was shown that he could not win the 188 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:24,718 Bruce Wolpe: election, he vacated the field. I'm not going to give 189 00:10:24,719 --> 00:10:30,150 Bruce Wolpe: you an answer. Remember this though, 1984, the Democrats against 190 00:10:30,150 --> 00:10:33,360 Bruce Wolpe: Ronald Reagan. A great vice president, Walter Mondale was the 191 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,679 Bruce Wolpe: presidential nominee, and he knew Reagan would be formidable; and 192 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,380 Bruce Wolpe: he chose as his vice president, the first woman ever 193 00:10:40,380 --> 00:10:44,250 Bruce Wolpe: selected for a major party, Geraldine Ferraro. Everyone thought, " Wow, 194 00:10:44,309 --> 00:10:49,170 Bruce Wolpe: breakthrough, fantastic, youth, vigor." Beat Reagan and then five days 195 00:10:49,170 --> 00:10:51,750 Bruce Wolpe: later, she was done because of business dealings of her 196 00:10:51,750 --> 00:10:54,718 Bruce Wolpe: husband. We're in day two. Let's see what happens over 197 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,559 Bruce Wolpe: the next 30 days, and then I may be able 198 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,090 Bruce Wolpe: to give you an answer next time we talk. 199 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,490 Sean Aylmer: But the bottom line is the Democrats are back in it. 200 00:11:02,849 --> 00:11:06,299 Bruce Wolpe: The Democrats are back in it, but they're still way 201 00:11:06,299 --> 00:11:09,630 Bruce Wolpe: behind. Things to look out for, what's the polling in 202 00:11:09,630 --> 00:11:12,390 Bruce Wolpe: the swing states post this? And what is the head- to- 203 00:11:12,390 --> 00:11:16,710 Bruce Wolpe: head national vote with Trump and Harris? So we'll know 204 00:11:16,710 --> 00:11:19,619 Bruce Wolpe: more in about a week as to where it stands. 205 00:11:19,620 --> 00:11:22,679 Bruce Wolpe: If you see states that drifted away from Biden after 206 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,699 Bruce Wolpe: the debate; I'm talking about Virginia, New Hampshire, North Carolina 207 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,020 Bruce Wolpe: and others; if they start coming back into the fold, 208 00:11:31,020 --> 00:11:33,270 Bruce Wolpe: well, that would be a sign of momentum for the Democrats. 209 00:11:33,750 --> 00:11:35,430 Sean Aylmer: Bruce, thank you for talking to FEAR and GREED. 210 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,828 Bruce Wolpe: Sean, great to talk with you, and thank you so 211 00:11:37,830 --> 00:11:38,608 Bruce Wolpe: much once again. 212 00:11:39,059 --> 00:11:41,399 Sean Aylmer: That was Bruce Wolpe, senior fellow non- resident at the 213 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,280 Sean Aylmer: United States Studies Center. 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