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Speaker 2: Yeah, morning, Matty, that's tragic. Twenty four to forty eight

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Speaker 1: What's happening with the messaging is that the issue, Darren,

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Speaker 2: Look, we'd like to think that the messaging does get

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Speaker 1: And well, the phones don't kick in till next month.

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Speaker 1: Right, but the message is still there. You go out there,

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Speaker 1: Indeed, Darren, really appreciate your time. Thank you for coming on.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's no surprise to us that it's almost mundane.

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Speaker 3: Look, the optimum number is five years, So we can

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Speaker 1: And I've got a question here from man and I reckon.

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Speaker 3: But the Europeans particularly Western Europe do have quite a

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Speaker 1: terribly and they've got good laws and the laws aren't working.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I know that they're specific laws that work quite well,

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Speaker 3: but they don't really have much of a like the

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Speaker 3: simple ones like you know, for example, turning right at

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Speaker 3: a red light in their case in our case of

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Speaker 3: the turning left that works extremely well. And they're four

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Speaker 3: way stop signs, which can choose the hell out of

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Speaker 3: me the first time I saw it, But once I

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Speaker 3: got my head around it, I thought, actually, this is

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Speaker 3: really good. But when it comes to their mainstream driving

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Speaker 3: ability and cruising the traffic and laying discipline and speed

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Speaker 3: and so forth, they're absolutely appalling at it. It would

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Speaker 3: be one of the worst in the world. Have come

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Speaker 3: across with a developed nation, so it'd be nice to say, look,

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Speaker 3: you're from Italy please, or from Germany or wherever, which

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Speaker 3: would be insulting a very good driver generally, Look, you know,

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Speaker 3: things are different here. This what you should be used to.

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Speaker 3: It probably wouldn't hurt to have something that even now

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Speaker 3: and then may pop up in an incident. I didn't

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Speaker 3: realize until listening to the news that one of the

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Speaker 3: people was from overseas, so I'm presuming they're used to

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Speaker 3: driving on the other side of the road. I don't

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Speaker 3: know the fact, but that was the one.

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Speaker 1: In the Morossa potentially anyway.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's you know, I know it can happen easily.

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Speaker 3: But we don't have uniform you know, we're not uniform

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Speaker 3: with the rest of the world, nor is England.

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Speaker 1: Should we be testing people that come from overseas.

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Speaker 3: I don't know testing necessarily. I think, you know, maybe

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Speaker 3: informing something that a little less normal. You know, a

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Speaker 3: lot of people coming from other countries are better drivers

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Speaker 3: than the average Australian, so they've got that bit sorted.

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Speaker 3: It's more that we're on the wrong side of the

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Speaker 3: road and getting a hit around that all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Cameron, really appreciate your insights this morning. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to leave it there, but a lot to

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Speaker 1: unpack and all of that. Appreciate you coming on. Thank you, Cameron,

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Speaker 1: wearing from the Australian Driving Institute,