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Speaker 1: On scoring leaves Australia. This is the Wider Panalty Show.

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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Reader Patney Show coming

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Speaker 2: up tonight. An election date is imminent as the Reserve

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Speaker 2: Bank drops interest rates by twenty five points. The exodus

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Speaker 2: from public schools as parents increasingly opt for private or

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Speaker 2: a Catholic education despite cost of living pressures. A wa

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Speaker 2: man fined and convicted for repairing a breach on his

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Speaker 2: own land after being accused of disturbing an imaginary rainbow serpent.

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Speaker 2: Later in the hour, we'll look at the disturbing crackdown

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Speaker 2: on free expression in Europe with Josh Hammer and Left

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Speaker 2: Is Losing It features Tom Hanks destroying his brand with

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Speaker 2: these cringe antiques on Saturday Night Live.

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Speaker 3: We wouldn't be in this mess wherein now? You know

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Speaker 3: what I agree with?

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Speaker 2: What you doing.

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Speaker 4: I'd like to shake your hand, sir.

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Speaker 2: Here we go. No, no, I did the hitting, but first.

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Speaker 2: The speculation surrounding the federal election date may be coming

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Speaker 2: to an end after the RBA lowered the cash rate

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Speaker 2: from four point three five percent to four point one percent,

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Speaker 2: a move that political strategists believe will help the government

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Speaker 2: call back support it's now increasingly likely that Anthony Albanese

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Speaker 2: will call the federal election off the back of the

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Speaker 2: state election in Wa. Labor MPs have reportedly been told

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Speaker 2: that the election will be called any time between March

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Speaker 2: three and March eleven, with the election date most likely

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Speaker 2: to be April twelve. Joining me now for more on

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Speaker 2: this is News Corps senior writer Patrick Carlin, and Patrick,

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Speaker 2: let's start with the interest rate cut. First rate cut

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Speaker 2: since November twenty twenty. It's good news. I know the

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Speaker 2: labor backbenches were pushing for a fifty point cut, but

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Speaker 2: we'll take what we can get.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 5: Look, absolutely, it's the first one, you know, since twenty twenty.

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Speaker 5: It's such a long time. People have suffered all the

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Speaker 5: way through all the way through COVID and all the rest.

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Speaker 5: So it's very welcome. What struck me about this process, though,

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Speaker 5: and you alluded to it, was the label backbenches in

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Speaker 5: this collective political campaign on the RBA to actually drop

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Speaker 5: the rates. And it was very intense. And if you

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Speaker 5: look at that election timeline that you just spoke of,

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Speaker 5: perhaps April five or April twelve, there's another RBA meeting

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Speaker 5: I think on April one, what's going to happen there?

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Speaker 5: Are they going to be out and out shouting and

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Speaker 5: demanding another rate cut because it helps their electoral chances.

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Speaker 5: It really was very very disappointing to.

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Speaker 2: And it was intense. And then these calls for the

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Speaker 2: RBA board to go out and actually see what's happening

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Speaker 2: and get away from their computer screens and just looking

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Speaker 2: at a single figure the inflation rate. I do understand it,

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Speaker 2: because I think you do have to look beyond that's

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Speaker 2: so much of the inflation we're seeing, Patrick is because

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Speaker 2: of the mad government spending, so they're causing the inflation.

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Speaker 2: And then they're telling the RBA, don't you know, don't

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Speaker 2: let that influence your decision about rates, And.

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Speaker 5: I look, it's an economic decision and it's done by

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Speaker 5: very bright people who yes, And that was That was

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Speaker 5: a terrible sort of put down, wasn't it. You should

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Speaker 5: be out on the streets talking and working class people. Well,

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Speaker 5: they are experts who know what they're doing economically, and

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Speaker 5: to sort of make it a political to try and

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Speaker 5: shape it as a political decision really is no good

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Speaker 5: on so many levels. At a simple democratic level. Why

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Speaker 5: politicians getting involved. It's dreadful.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not convinced that the RBA is all knowing either,

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Speaker 2: but we'll debate that at another time. Let's talk about

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Speaker 2: landowner WA landowner Tony Maddox. We've spoken to him on

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Speaker 2: outside as a couple of times. He's now been found

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Speaker 2: guilty of breaching WA's Aboriginal heritage laws after he built

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Speaker 2: a bridge over an offshoot of the Avon River on

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Speaker 2: his own property. On his own land. We're replacing an

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Speaker 2: old bridge that had fallen apart. Maddox was charged last

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Speaker 2: year because the creek beneath his bridge is associated with

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Speaker 2: the rainbow serpent. That's a part of the dream time.

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Speaker 2: We're not talking about an actual animal here. He has

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Speaker 2: now been fined two thousand dollars, given a conviction, and

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Speaker 2: has to also pay five thousand dollars in cost. Patrick

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Speaker 2: to me, this is you've got to be careful what

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Speaker 2: here without people losing their minds. But it seems astonishing

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Speaker 2: to me people who are happy to mock Christianity, are

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Speaker 2: if it's almost beyond any criticism.

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Speaker 5: Well, It's sacred, isn't it. I mean, no one's ever

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Speaker 5: heard of it before. And this poor bloke, Tony Maddox,

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's doing work on his own property to

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Speaker 5: make it easier for him. You're talking about these imaginary

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Speaker 5: ebb and flow of the creek itself. Now that he

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Speaker 2: Having this on your over you having these sort of

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Speaker 2: We spoke to him last year and I really do

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Speaker 2: feel for people who get caught up in these sort

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Speaker 2: of cases because having the cost, that the stress of

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Speaker 2: illegal case like this and is now lost. So he's

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Speaker 2: now got to consider do I spend more money, do

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Speaker 2: I appeal it? And what are the risks of that?

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Speaker 5: He said he had never heard of it when he

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Speaker 5: did make the changes, and you believe him. He's working

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Speaker 5: on his own property and you were just assumed, and.

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Speaker 2: He had indigenous people backing him, people from the local community.

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Speaker 2: Let's look at some alarming stats from the Australian Curriculum

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Speaker 2: Assessment and Reporting Authority showing that students knowledge of how

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Speaker 2: Australian democracy works has plummeted to a new lower just

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Speaker 2: twenty eight percent of year ten students met the standard

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Speaker 2: for civics and citizenship. That's disturbed low Patrick. One in

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Speaker 2: four isn't really good enough given the amount of money

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Speaker 2: we're spending in this sector. We seem to increase the

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Speaker 2: spending in education and the standards go the other way.

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Speaker 5: Look, we have one of the best democracies in the world.

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Speaker 5: It's better than America, I would argue, it's better than

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Speaker 5: East apart from Israel. These kids should learn how it

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Speaker 5: works and why it is so good and why it

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Speaker 5: is so important. And the fact that they're not sort

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Speaker 5: of learning at it, I think actually goes to the

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Speaker 5: loss of the Australian identity that we've seen in so

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Speaker 5: many ways in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 4: Australia.

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Speaker 5: It's not a patriotic thing, but we need to understand

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Speaker 5: why we are lucky and why we do it so

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Speaker 2: I can understand why they're not being taught that because

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Speaker 2: it could actually instill some pride in the country, and God,

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Speaker 2: we can't have that as part of the curriculum.

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Speaker 4: Can we now?

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Speaker 2: Even more alarming than that, News is the latest school

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Speaker 2: are attending school so infrequently that nearly seventeen hundred of

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Speaker 2: them aren't even in official attendance figures. Let's hear from

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Speaker 2: Sky News Northern Territory correspondent Matt Cunningham.

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Speaker 6: In twenty twenty four. According to this latest data, it's

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Speaker 6: fifty five point seven percent. Now, if you compare that

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Speaker 6: been a drop off in that area as well, but

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Speaker 6: it's only dropped from an eighty nine point three percent

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Speaker 6: twenty four. And as we were talking about last week,

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Speaker 6: the real numbers are actually significantly worse. There are more

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Speaker 6: than seventeen hundred students in the Northern Territory, more than

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Speaker 6: sixteen hundred of those are Indigenous who were taken off

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Speaker 6: the official role because they attend school so infrequently.

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Speaker 2: Patrick, there's so much focus on closing the gap, so

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Speaker 2: much spending on closing the gap, but those figures tell

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Speaker 2: a story, and worrying story. We're not going to be

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Speaker 5: And it's a Northern territory story too. If you have

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Speaker 5: to look at the indigenous attendance rates for every other

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Speaker 5: state and territory, they're thirty percent higher than the Northern territory. Look,

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Speaker 5: these are complicated issues. All the closing the gap issues

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Speaker 5: you can pick out one symptom as this is and say,

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Speaker 5: hang on, this is bad. There's a much wider sort

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Speaker 5: of set of problems that go to it. But this

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Speaker 5: a Northern territory problem, it is.

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Speaker 2: And they've got a relatively new government. Let's see what

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Speaker 2: they can do there. Meanwhile, in New South Wales, a

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Speaker 2: mass exodus from state schools is underway as more parents

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Speaker 2: opt to send their children to Catholic and private schools. Patrick,

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Speaker 2: We're in a cost of living crisis, so this is

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Speaker 2: significant news. People are going without making huge sacrifices because

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Speaker 5: Look, people are choosing to pay according to these figures,

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Speaker 5: you know, five grand a year that they wouldn't otherwise

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Speaker 5: kids have a decent education. It shows a lack of

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Speaker 5: a pushback against some of the values that we see

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Speaker 5: in public education, some of the wakeness that's sort of

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Speaker 5: A lot of people are saying no.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 2: And at state schools, you really don't have the option

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Speaker 2: if this wokeness is being shoved down your throat and

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Speaker 2: you can take a stand because you're paying for it now.

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Speaker 2: Tourism and cruise ship bosses have worn the just into

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Speaker 2: Allen government in Victoria that it's fifteen percent increase to

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Speaker 2: poured fees and the lack of upgrades. So the hopelessly

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Speaker 2: max exodus from Melbourne by cruise ship operators. This is

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Speaker 2: huge money. Herald Sun reports that the state is expected

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Speaker 2: to lose million and revenue as it braces for eight

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Speaker 2: seventy percent plunge in the number of ships that will

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Speaker 2: use the city as a homeport next season. This is

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Speaker 2: just again more Victorian government shortsighted taxes to try to

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Speaker 2: raise some money because the state's in debt. It's broke.

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Speaker 2: But in the long run it's going to cost us

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Speaker 5: Melbourney doesn't have all the natural advantages of some of

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Speaker 5: the other places that cruise ships stop. It has to

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Speaker 5: have great infrastructure and they haven't spent the money on

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Speaker 5: Station Pier. They've jacked up the tax as they've done

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Speaker 5: so many things in so many tricksy sort of ways

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Speaker 5: in the last couple of years. It's just another symbol,

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Speaker 5: and it's an important symbol. As you say, it's a

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Speaker 5: lot of money. The Victorians are missing out on this

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Speaker 5: money because of mismanagement or something that's pretty basic to

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Speaker 5: begin with.

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Speaker 2: We've got port Philip Bay. We do have the natural assets,

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Speaker 2: but we're not utilizing it. Patrick, Carli and thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for your time Evening. Thanks joining me now

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Speaker 2: is pro life activist and professor of law at the

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Speaker 2: University of Adelaide, doctor Joanna Howe. Joanna, you've been advocating

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Speaker 2: for legislation to protect babies born alive. We've talked about

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Speaker 2: that previously on this program. Babies Born Alive. Legislation would

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Speaker 2: essentially protect babies that are still alived after a botched abortion.

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Speaker 2: And you also want to ban late term abortion, and

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Speaker 2: we're here talking about post twenty seven weeks, so well

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Speaker 2: into the third trimester. Now here from pro choice activists,

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Speaker 2: they say these sorts of abortions are exceedingly rare and

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Speaker 2: done to protect the mother's health or when the baby

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Speaker 2: has profound disabilities. Is that accurate? It's not.

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Speaker 8: Reader eighty percent of late term abortions in South Australia

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Speaker 8: kill healthy babies and non life threatening scenarios. So abortion

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Speaker 9: I asked you turned off the phone's I'm lucky.

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Speaker 2: Maybe sadly it wasn't a third time lucky. You didn't

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Speaker 2: much for your time. Appreciated. Still to come, Lefties losing

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Speaker 2: you're watching the Reader Panny Show, and it's time for

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Speaker 2: lefties losing it. And I regret to inform you that

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you, heck, I'm speaking to church. Can I

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Speaker 10: If more folks weren't to church, we wouldn't be in

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Speaker 2: And it didn't end there. Watch what happens when a

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Speaker 2: They don't just hate the president, they hate the majority

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Speaker 3: You know what I agree with?

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Speaker 5: You do.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to shake your hand, sir.

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Speaker 4: Here we go.

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Speaker 3: No, no, oh no, no, just a handshake. You welcome?

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Speaker 5: But brother, maybe I'll start a show for you to

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Speaker 1: We don't need it, We don't need it.

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Speaker 2: Remember when Saturday Night Live was actually funny? Me? Neither,

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Speaker 4: Or the live.

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Speaker 2: Back to the celebrity class, and let's have a look

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Speaker 2: at this brave and stunning bit of activism from singer

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Speaker 11: Elon Musk has apparently somehow convinced the United States government,

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Speaker 11: And definitely not at all illegal or profoundly corrupt. Definitely

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Speaker 2: Right to hear that profoundly corrupt, illegal, outrageous, Except there's

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Speaker 2: one little problem, Rachel. Let Fox News's Jesse Waters fill

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump didn't give that contract to Elon Musk.

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden gave it to him.

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Speaker 2: It was Joe Biden, Rachel, it was Joe Biden. Just

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Speaker 2: more misinformation from the chief Russian collusion hoaxer, Rachel Matter.

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Speaker 2: Now let's check in with a transactivist with this important message.

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Speaker 3: The pronouns aren't preferred, they are mandatory. Do not purpose

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Speaker 2: You do not get to decide how someone identifies.

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Speaker 12: My pronouns aren't preferred, they are mandatory.

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Speaker 13: Nine hundred sports trophies from women in recent years, and

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Speaker 3: Like yesterday, and they deserve them.

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Speaker 13: It didn't happen, and they deserve them. Okay, that is

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Speaker 2: It didn't happen, and they deserve them. Michael Knowles as

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Speaker 2: News contributor Kosher Gaeta Kosher. Let's start with Bordizar Tom Hoeman.

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Speaker 2: He's got his sites set on Democrat Alexandria Akazia Cortes. No,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't want to deport her. She's a US citizen

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Speaker 4: The same thing.

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Speaker 7: But whether it's her doing this, we saw Governor Phil

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Speaker 7: comfortable with flouting immigration law, which has gone on forever

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Speaker 2: Well, it seems unwise politically as well. We know Ioassay

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Speaker 2: They know these programs to control illegal immigration, to deportations,

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Speaker 4: It's a good point.

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Speaker 7: They seem to be behind the curve now, the theyrout

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Speaker 7: And you're right that the public support for this has

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Speaker 2: The Trump administration keeps saying, if you enter the country illegally,

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Speaker 2: bit about NATO. It's looking like a major political realignment

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Speaker 2: is underway, and it's a win for the Trump administration.

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Speaker 2: up their defense spending after President Trump's request that they

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Speaker 2: increase the number to five percent of GDP. Here is

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Speaker 2: NATO Secretary General Mark Rutter.

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Speaker 1: Really europe is now stepping up. Last week I was

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Speaker 1: a bit disappointed at Europeans for saying, hey, we also

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Speaker 1: have to be at a table, and why are we

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Speaker 1: not there? And they're now really starting to dialogue to

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Speaker 1: strategize how they can support the peace effort, and that

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Speaker 1: is important. By now, we are spending seven hundred billion

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Speaker 1: more on the European side of NATO than before President

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Speaker 1: Trump came into office. Is absolutely still not enough. We

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Speaker 1: have to do much much more.

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Speaker 2: It's not enough. We have to do much more. This

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Speaker 2: is after they've boosted spending significantly, and it's precisely what

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Speaker 2: the US was pushing for. Again, a lot of people

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Speaker 2: seem to deliberately misunderstand Donald Trump's strategy, what his goals

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Speaker 2: are here. He doesn't want to weaken NATO. He wants

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Speaker 2: NATO members to actually spend their money and not have

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Speaker 2: just America carrying the load.

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Speaker 7: It's a continuation of what he campaigned on even the

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Speaker 7: first time, and even before he entered politics, and the

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Speaker 7: secretary over there actually has credited Trump in the past

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Speaker 7: where he said, you know, nobody ever asked us to

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Speaker 7: pay up to our obligations before Trump he did. So

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Speaker 7: we're doing it, and some like eight nations were delinquent

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Speaker 7: and we're not even meeting their obligations, which at the

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Speaker 7: time was two to three percent.

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Speaker 4: Now they're raising the obligation.

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Speaker 7: This is what Trump advanced and Pete hagg Sith have

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Speaker 7: been pushing over that conference and in other venues as well,

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Speaker 7: to five percent. And in the sixties that's where it was.

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Speaker 7: It was round four a little over four percent that

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Speaker 7: you was paying in the wake of the Cold War

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Speaker 7: and that era, and now it's down to one to

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Speaker 7: two percent. So that is kind of the point eighty

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Speaker 7: years post World War two, how long should America be

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Speaker 7: the guaranteur of security subsidizing all sorts of other programs

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Speaker 7: As a result of that, in Europe as well as

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Speaker 7: what are we defending? That was a gedvance speech that

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Speaker 7: went viral when they're not even acting like democracies in

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Speaker 7: some ways with censorship and counseling elections and all of that.

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Speaker 7: So this is a watershed moment and it's a big

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Speaker 7: shift from post World War Two.

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Speaker 2: I'll be talking with Josh Hammer later in the program

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Speaker 2: about that JD Vance speech. I've listened to it a

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Speaker 2: couple of times now. Also listened to his full speech

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Speaker 2: in Paris a day or so earlier. His clarity is astonishing.

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Speaker 2: The way he covered these major points in eighteen nineteen minutes.

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Speaker 2: It didn't seem to be looking at any notes, it

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Speaker 2: didn't seem to be reading from an auto Q, and

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Speaker 2: it was just Chris, it's all clear where the US stands,

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Speaker 2: where its values are, and what it expects from Europe.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't necessarily making demands though kosher. He was just

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Speaker 2: telling them this is happening under your watch, and it's

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Speaker 2: it's disturbing, especially when he was talking about the suppression

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Speaker 2: of free speech and the way the concerns of everyday

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Speaker 2: citizens have been disregarded.

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Speaker 4: And that's the other piece of it.

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Speaker 7: So part of it is the first layer is a

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Speaker 7: spending and having some sort of level playing field in

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Speaker 7: terms of spending obligations.

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Speaker 4: As we discussed.

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Speaker 7: But the second thing is much deeper, which is that

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Speaker 7: that the shared alliance between European societies and American societies

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Speaker 7: post World War two, was that some of these tenets

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Speaker 7: of free societies, freedom of speech and other issues that

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Speaker 7: he raised, and if they're no longer abiding by that,

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Speaker 7: then his point is that's almost like a double whammy,

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Speaker 7: that we're overpaying for your security and we're paying to

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Speaker 7: defend a society that's kind of lost its way in

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Speaker 7: terms of censoring its own citizens.

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Speaker 4: And you're right, he did not mince words.

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Speaker 2: He was about a blunt He was blunt, but it

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Speaker 2: was a message that they need to hear. And it's

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Speaker 2: a message that we've spoken about on this program. I

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Speaker 2: have Douglas Murray on every week. He wrote it not

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Speaker 2: about a decade ago, about the strange death of Europe.

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Speaker 2: This is a phenomenon that has been commented on by

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Speaker 2: intellectuals brave enough to state the obvious, and yet the

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Speaker 2: Europeans were just appalled or shocked that anybody would dare

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Speaker 2: speak these home truths to them.

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Speaker 7: It's a new d And that's also the difference between

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Speaker 7: Trump forty seven versus forty five. Everybody around him really

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Speaker 7: is singing from the same song sheet, and they genuinely

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Speaker 7: believe in that vision. The populist America first worldview and

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Speaker 7: that's why they can speak with such clarity, whereas last

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Speaker 7: time he was sort of battling people internally and then

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Speaker 7: the message that would be communicated externally wasn't always ALIGNE.

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Speaker 4: The weird is.

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Speaker 2: Now and he's getting his people thus far through so

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Speaker 2: he's had Toulsi now RFK Junior Cash Patel is one

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Speaker 2: of the big ones that were waiting for a vote there.

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Speaker 2: But how do you see that administration coming together? Because

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Speaker 2: it is very different from that first Trump term where

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Speaker 2: he almost was prioritizing DC experience over loyalty over competence.

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Speaker 2: They weren't necessarily his people and it showed because there

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Speaker 2: was a lot of hunity and disloyalty there. How do

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Speaker 2: you see this going? I know it's only been four weeks,

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Speaker 2: but it seems to be a very systematic methodonical approach.

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Speaker 2: He's had to getting his people into key positions one.

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Speaker 7: Hundred percent like Trump two point zero seems like night

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Speaker 7: and day compared to one DOTO where there you know he.

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Speaker 4: Was experienced in other realms. What's so new to DC?

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Speaker 7: And that was so evident where he was relying on

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Speaker 7: recommendations for other people and didn't really know what he

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Speaker 7: was doing in terms of personnel. He's mentioned that himself

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Speaker 7: versus now, I feel like that whole four year term

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Speaker 7: and the amount of heat he took officially and unofficially,

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Speaker 7: and then what happened in twenty twenty and the intervening

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Speaker 7: four years has been a huge litmus test for who

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Speaker 7: is truly MAGA populist, pro Trump, pro that America First agenda,

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Speaker 7: and who isn't. And it's been very clarifying eight years,

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Speaker 7: which has allowed him to really identify the right people

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Speaker 7: this time, and he just didn't have that benefit last time.

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Speaker 4: And we're seeing that with the pigs.

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Speaker 2: And House almost got rid of the rhinos, if you

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Speaker 2: want to call them Republican name only. The GOP is

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Speaker 2: now Trump's party. There's a few still hanging on you,

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Speaker 2: Mitch McConnell's and a few others. Moving along, let's look

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Speaker 2: at how a CNN host not only refuses to fact

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Speaker 2: check obvious, verifiable lies from Democrat Amy KLOVICHA, but she

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Speaker 2: reinforces those lies.

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Speaker 14: Two trillion dollars in tax cuts to the wealthiest and

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Speaker 14: paying for it by cuts to cancer research at NIH,

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Speaker 14: something that has bipartisan support for years and years, or

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Speaker 14: stopping headstart.

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Speaker 4: But people they our protect our nuclear stockpile.

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Speaker 14: I know they are, But what I'm saying is, at

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Speaker 14: some point the pressure is on them.

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Speaker 2: That type of hyperbole and scare mongering is just not working.

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Speaker 2: And the Poles are telling us that.

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Speaker 7: Indeed, it's kind of like ac and immigration, like we

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Speaker 7: talked about that, the public sentiment has shifted all the

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Speaker 7: way over and these folks don't seem to have caught

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Speaker 7: up where these tactics used to work. Where you anytime

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Speaker 7: anybody wants to talk about cutting spending thirty two plus

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Speaker 7: trillion dollars in debt, we have to do it. You

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Speaker 7: leap immediately to receiving children from malaria in Africa. We're

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Speaker 7: doing cancer research, We're helping underprivileged kids get a head

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Speaker 7: start in education. Like it's easy to point to those

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Speaker 7: things and make the other side like the big bad

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Speaker 7: bogeyman that's taking money away.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't work anymore. And the way they're doing.

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Speaker 7: It with doge and just putting out the receipts as

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Speaker 7: they say, of how much waste, fraud and abuse is happening.

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Speaker 7: Everybody's seeing it. It's disseminated all over social media. And

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Speaker 7: then these tactics I think are going to fall flat.

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Speaker 7: But that's the only playbook they know, so they're going

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Speaker 7: to keep doing it.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and the worthwhile programs, the ones that do enjoy

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Speaker 2: public support, while they're going to be absorbed into other parts,

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Speaker 2: you don't need to have us AID in existence to

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Speaker 2: devote funds to those worthy projects. Kosha Kata, thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for your time. Tonight, still to come, we'll

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Speaker 2: look at the disturbing crackdown on free expression in Europe

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Speaker 2: and the latest from the US, including Jerry Seinfeld's message

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Speaker 2: to pro Palestinian supporters. Josh Hammer is up next. Welcome back. Now,

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Speaker 2: let's have a little trip down memory lane to Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump's first term when he warned the Germans about becoming

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Speaker 2: too reliant on Russian energy.

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Speaker 10: Germany will become totally dependent on Russian energy if it

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Speaker 10: does not immediately change course. Here in the Western hemisphere.

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Speaker 10: We are committed to maintaining our independence from the encroachment

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Speaker 10: of expandist foreign powers.

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Speaker 2: The German contingent thought that was hilarious. And the man

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Speaker 2: you can see sitting at the front there laughing his

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Speaker 2: silly little head off, is Christophe Husen laughing and thinking

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Speaker 2: it was all one big, fat joke. Now remember him,

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Speaker 2: because I'm going to come back to him. And as

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Speaker 2: you know, Trump was right. Germany's dependence on Russian energy

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Speaker 2: has been disastrous for the nation in recent years. But

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Speaker 2: do you think that Germans have learned to listen to

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Speaker 2: good advice? No. When jd Vance gave a groundbreaking speech

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Speaker 2: in Munich last week about the biggest threats to Europe

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Speaker 2: coming from within. When he warned them about the sinister

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Speaker 2: suppression of free speech in European countries, the growing anti

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Speaker 2: democracies sent among the elite, and the manner in which

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Speaker 2: they have allowed millions of unvetted migrants to flooding, well,

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Speaker 2: the Germans were again aghast. You can almost hear the

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Speaker 2: gasps as Jedi Van speaks.

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Speaker 15: No voter on this continent went to the ballot box

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Speaker 15: to open the floodgates to millions of unvetted immigrants.

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Speaker 3: But you know what they did vote for. In England they.

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Speaker 15: Voted for Brexit, and agree or disagree, they voted for it,

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Speaker 15: and more and more all over Europe they're voting for

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Speaker 15: political leaders who promised to put an end to out

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Speaker 15: of control migration.

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Speaker 2: And you guess that among the most appalled by jdie

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Speaker 2: Vanson's speech was this guy who had a little cry

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Speaker 2: about it.

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Speaker 11: So let us stick to these values, let us not

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Speaker 11: reinvent them, but focus on strengthening their consistent application.

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Speaker 4: Let me conclude, and this becomes difficult.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's Christophe Hugeson again. And I think think those

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Speaker 2: tiers are for his nation or for Europe, which he

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Speaker 2: helped damage alongside miss mercle Well, you'd be wrong. The

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Speaker 2: tears were for himself because the German diplomat is stepping

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Speaker 2: down from his illustrious position as chairman of the Munich

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Speaker 2: Security Conference. Joining me now is Newsweek's senior editor at

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Speaker 2: large and article three projects in your council, Josh Hammad, Josh,

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Speaker 2: the Germans just refused to listen to good advice.

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Speaker 3: Read.

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Speaker 12: It would not be the first and it's not gonna

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Speaker 12: be the last time that the Germans had failed to

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Speaker 12: listen to some advice of varying degrees of strength from

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Speaker 12: the Americans. I suppose three cheers for JD. Evans, My goodness,

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Speaker 12: I mean, that was a barn burner of a speech that,

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Speaker 12: frankly is why we wanted Jdvans to be the vice

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Speaker 12: President United States, or at least why I wanted him.

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Speaker 3: I mean read.

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Speaker 12: I wrote an obed column last March titled Vice President JD.

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Speaker 12: Van making the case for Jdvans to be Donald Trump's

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Speaker 12: running mate. And this is exactly what I thought we

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Speaker 12: were going to get. And I am just grinning ear

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Speaker 12: to ear, delighted that this is indeed what we are getting.

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Speaker 12: Germany is the heart of the European liberal imperium. Brussels,

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Speaker 12: Belgium is literally where the European Union is based. I

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Speaker 12: know because I've been there, to the building. But Germany

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Speaker 12: is the most economically powerful country in the world. So

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Speaker 12: to go into the lions, to the most economic powerful

659
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Speaker 12: country in Europe, So to go into the lions down there,

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Speaker 12: and to say what he said about free speech, about

661
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Speaker 12: energy independence, about migration from third world Islam as hellholes there.

662
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Speaker 3: Man, that guy has a spine.

663
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Speaker 12: And I just cannot wait to see what Jadavans does

664
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Speaker 12: for the rest of his vice president of tenure, because

665
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Speaker 12: if that is any indication of what is to come,

666
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Speaker 12: we are in for a historic vice presidency.

667
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I think after that vice presidency he has

668
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: to be hot favorite to be the forty eighth president

669
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Speaker 2: of the United States, and it would be quite Can

670
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Speaker 2: you just imagine him continuing that Trump agenda got No,

671
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Speaker 2: I'm getting ahead of myself, but I'm thinking about two

672
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 2: terms for JD Vance and what could be achieved if

673
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 2: you've got those solid twelve years of meaningful change in America.

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Speaker 2: It's it's exciting to think about. But let's stay in

675
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Speaker 2: a Germany for a minute. Let's look at the manner

676
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: in which they are cracking down on free expression, or

677
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: what they call online hate speech.

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Speaker 16: Inside six armed officers searched to suspects home, then seized

679
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Speaker 16: his laptop and cell phone. Prosecutors say those electronics may

680
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 16: have been used to commit a crime, the crime posting

681
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 16: a racist cartoon online. At the exact same time. Across Germany,

682
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Speaker 16: it's all your mind of a bard. More than fifty

683
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 16: similar raids played out part of what prosecutors say is

684
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Speaker 16: a coordinated effort to curb online hate speech in Germany.

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Speaker 2: Josh, I'd be willing to bet money that many of

686
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Speaker 2: these online posts aren't even races. Given stating facts about

687
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Speaker 2: crime rates and immigration levels is considered hate speech in

688
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Speaker 2: some quarters. But when you watch that, that's precisely what

689
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Speaker 2: jd Vance was talking about, this cracked out on free speech,

690
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: this suppression of citizens. So are concerned about what's happening

691
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Speaker 2: to their country?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I read the country of Germany suppressing free speech.

693
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Speaker 12: What could possibly go wrong? Oh wait, yes, tragically we

694
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Speaker 12: have been down before. But by the way, Margaret Brennan,

695
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 12: the anchor on CBS is Faced the Nation earlier in

696
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Speaker 12: the same day yesterday while she was talking about how

697
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 12: there was apparently too much free speech and that caused

698
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Speaker 12: the Holocaust there. So, whether it's Face the Nation or

699
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 12: whether it's sixty minutes, CBS apparently is all in on

700
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Speaker 12: an anti free speech, censorious agenda. Makes you wonder why

701
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Speaker 12: CBS is actually a distant third in the meanstream media ratings,

702
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,959
Speaker 12: behind NBC and ABC. Frankly, all of their ratings are falling,

703
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 12: but CBS is dwindling more than more than the others there.

704
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Speaker 12: But the state of free speech all across Europe and

705
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 12: both the continent and the UK is genuinely appalling right now.

706
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Speaker 12: And you know, the UK in particular really makes me

707
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 12: want to cry because I'm something of an Anglophile. Actually,

708
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Speaker 12: I love the Anglo American inheritance. I mean Frankly, Britain

709
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Speaker 12: gave the world free speech in many ways there but readog.

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Speaker 12: I'll share with you this brief anecdote. So Kiers Starmer

711
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Speaker 12: is the very left wing prime minister right now in

712
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Speaker 12: Westminster in London. It has become pretty common to refer

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Speaker 12: to him as two tier here because of his two

714
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Speaker 12: tier system of justice. I actually put that on my

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Speaker 12: show and on social media. I had a friend who's

716
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Speaker 12: a lawyer in London read to get a load of this.

717
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 12: He messaged me and said, Josh, you should take that down.

718
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 12: I said, what are you talking about? He said, you

719
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 12: won't believe it. But because of the long arm jurisdiction

720
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Speaker 12: statue that Britain has these days, you could be prosecuted

721
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Speaker 12: for that. For me tweeting here from the United States

722
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Speaker 12: that here Starmer is two tier cure. That's the state

723
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Speaker 12: of so called free speech in the UK. Tragically, in Germany,

724
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Speaker 12: based on what we just saw, I think it's actually

725
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Speaker 12: even worse.

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Speaker 2: Now let's go to the US, where the Department of

727
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Speaker 2: Government Efficiency has had a big win in the courts

728
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Speaker 2: against the law fare that the Democrats are launching. I

729
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Speaker 2: know you wrote about this in Newsweek. You wrote about

730
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Speaker 2: this so called judicial resistance movement that are sprung up,

731
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Speaker 2: and you say that these people involved in this may

732
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Speaker 2: think they're acting nobly, but they're in fact acting on unconstitutionally,

733
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Speaker 2: and in the end they're going to be humiliated.

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Speaker 12: They're going to be humiliated because they are way out

735
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Speaker 12: of wine and they're way out of line. Because the

736
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Speaker 12: federal government cannot be shut down by the ruling of

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Speaker 12: a lone lower court federal judge deep in the battels

738
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Speaker 12: of his chambers in Hawaii or Alaska, or Florida or

739
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Speaker 12: main That is simply not the system of governance that

740
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Speaker 12: our founding fathers here in America set up for us.

741
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Speaker 12: In fact, in an eighteen or four letter that are

742
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Speaker 12: third President Thomas Jefferson wrote to Abigail Adams, the wife

743
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Speaker 12: of John Adams. He famously said in this letter that

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Speaker 12: at the time that the judiciary here in America starts

745
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Speaker 12: to decide cases not merely for the litigants before it,

746
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Speaker 12: but purporting to buying the entirety the federal government, that

747
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 12: would be a despotic branch. Abraham Lincoln took the exact

748
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 12: same approach. It's simply not the system we have here

749
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Speaker 12: so these so called nation one injunctions have to end.

750
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Speaker 12: That is not part of the judicial power of which

751
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 12: our Constitution speaks. The United Supreme Court is going to

752
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 12: have to weigh in here sooner rather than later, thankfully read.

753
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 12: I actually a pretty optimistic that they will do so.

754
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Speaker 12: Visit a Supreme Court that is well constituted to rule

755
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Speaker 12: correctly when it comes to bread and butter structural separation

756
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Speaker 12: of powers issues. But it's incumbent upon the Trump Department

757
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 12: of Justice to directly tee up that appeal. Once they

758
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 12: do so, I think that the Supreme Court will grant it,

759
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Speaker 12: and I think that they will rule correctly.

760
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Speaker 2: Now I covered Tom Hanks's pathetic antiques on Saturday Night Live.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how else to describe them. It was

762
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Speaker 2: exceptionally on funny, lacking in any sort of wheat or

763
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Speaker 2: intelligence or humor. And I've got to ask you, Josh,

764
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Speaker 2: why would such a mainstream actor trash his own brand

765
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: in this way. If you're going to tresh your own

766
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 2: brand and infuriate the majority of the country, then at least,

767
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, be interesting, be funny, be clever. In

768
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 2: some way, this was just lame.

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Speaker 12: It really does seem beneath the dignity of Tom Hanks, doesn't.

770
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Speaker 12: I mean, Tom Hanks, once upon a time was a

771
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 12: brilliant actor.

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Speaker 3: I mean you had.

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Speaker 12: Maybe not at this point later in his career, but

774
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 12: you know, look earlier, early in his career. I mean

775
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 12: Forrest Gum, Philadelphia. I mean, catch me if you can,

776
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 12: even the Steven Spielberg movie from.

777
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 3: The early arts.

778
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Speaker 12: I mean, Tom Hanks has been in a lot of

779
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 12: classics going back twenty five thirty years. You know, once

780
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 12: upon a time, it's probably hard for this audience to leave.

781
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 12: Once upon a time, Saturday night life here in America

782
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 12: was actually pretty funny. I mean, once upon a time

783
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 12: we had people like Chris Farley, we had actually genuinely

784
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 12: talented comedians. I mean, to this day, a lot of

785
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 12: the great stand up comments here in America really kind

786
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 12: of came up through the ranks of Saturday Night Live.

787
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 12: But it has been a very, very long time since

788
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 12: they have attracted anything remotely resembling high caliber comic talents.

789
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 12: I couldn't even tell you the last time that I

790
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 12: tuned in frankly on a Saturday evening, and I'm particularly

791
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 12: very pleased that I happened to miss this dreadful Tom

792
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 12: Hanks's performance.

793
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Speaker 2: I was just embarrassing. I was embarrassed for him watching it.

794
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: That's how bad it was. Now, I love you your

795
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 2: take on Jerry Seinfeld not giving us stuff about offending

796
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 2: the pro Palestinian anti Israeli movement. I have a look

797
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: at this, Jerry, Can I get a selfie?

798
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 7: Sure?

799
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Speaker 4: Three Palestine?

800
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 7: I don't care about.

801
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 2: That's right now. That's how you do it, Tom Hanks.

802
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: If you're going to be controversial, at least, I don't know,

803
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: be interesting and a little bit funny. I'd imagine Josh

804
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: is copying all sorts of flak for that. But Daddy cares.

805
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 3: He doesn't care.

806
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 12: And kudos to Jerry Seinfeld for taking a righteous and

807
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 12: correct stand on this particular issue. I mean, you know,

808
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 12: he was trending this direction for years. Jerry Seinfeld, many

809
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 12: years ago. I first remember him speaking out against wol

810
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 12: can't cancel culture on American college campuses. This is clearly

811
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 12: an issue that he cares about. He visited Israel after

812
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 12: October seventh. There was actually he's a diehard New York

813
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 12: Mets baseball fan. There was actually a clip of Jerry

814
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 12: Seinfeld that a Mets game back and during baseball season

815
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 12: a few months ago here in the US, and they

816
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 12: kind of zoomed in on him and he was wearing

817
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 12: his Mets uniform and he said, let's go Mets, and

818
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 12: let's go IDF. So he's been very public about this

819
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 12: for a while now, but you know, this son of

820
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 12: a you know what here on camera. That guy had

821
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 12: that coming, frankly, and good for Jerry Seinfeld for not

822
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 12: backing away in the heat of the moment there.

823
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Speaker 3: I hope that he only doubles down from here. I

824
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 3: think he will.

825
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: Actually, I don't know if you're away, but he did

826
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 2: a tour of Australia last year and there were these

827
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: hecklers in the crowd, always these pro Palestinian plants who

828
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: halfway through the show would start shouting Free Palestine and

829
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: river to this or whatever else they were shouting. And

830
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: he handled it again beautifully. He just mocked them. He

831
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: went at them. He did not back away, didn't try

832
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: to appease, he didn't try to ignore them. He made

833
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: them part of the show. And I thought it was

834
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: really quite effective. He did that in our multiple cities

835
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Speaker 2: in Australia. Before you go, we've seen polling showing how

836
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: popular Donald Trump's key policies are. We've been discussing that

837
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: earlier this week, but it's not just the policies that

838
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: are popular. Despite the overwhelming negative publicity the president receives,

839
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 2: his own popularity is on the rise. This latest poll

840
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: shows fifty five percent approve of him. Now that's a

841
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 2: decent approval rating. Forty three percent disapprove. Josh, that's a

842
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: net gain of twelve percent for the president.

843
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 3: It's actually even more than that. You go back to

844
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 3: his first term.

845
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 12: Donald Trump spent the majority of his first term with

846
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 12: an underwater approval reading by the way, so Debraco. So

847
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 12: it's not like Donald Trump had anything unique. Joe Biden

848
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 12: definitely had an underwater approval right in there. So, I mean, frankly,

849
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 12: you know, Americans have been so fed up with the

850
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 12: government for so long that to have any president, frankly

851
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 12: with an above water approval right in there, you probably

852
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 12: have to go back to the very early days of

853
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 12: the Barack Obama administration before he went totally off the

854
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 12: rails if I had a guess, but it's been it's

855
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 12: been a hot minute, so to speak, there and the

856
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 12: reason for that is because Donald Trump leads what I

857
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 12: like to refer to as a Coalition of the common sense.

858
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 12: It is really not a particularly partisan movement here. You

859
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 12: you have ex Democrats like RFK Junior, like Tulci gabber.

860
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: It frankly is a coalition of people who are just

861
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 3: sick of stupid crap.

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Speaker 12: I'm sorry to not phrase it more artfully, but that

863
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 12: really basically is what it is. It is a coalition

864
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 12: of people that are sick of gender ideology. They are

865
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 12: sick of this idea of universal values and mass migration

866
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 12: policy there. They just want normalcy, They want basic common

867
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 12: sense stuff. Thankfully, Donald Trump came in with a mighty

868
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 12: vengeance in this magna two point zero second term, and

869
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 12: he's delivering oodles and oodles of good old fashioned common sense.

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Speaker 2: Josh, thank you so much for your time tonight. And

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Speaker 2: that's it for me. I'll see you tomorrow night at eleven.

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Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere. Newsnight is up next.