1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:04,439 Speaker 1: On scor US Australia. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 2: This is the Wedder Panalty Show. 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 3: Good evening, Welcome to the reader Panahe show. I'm Caroline 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 3: de Russo coming up tonight. Why Australians are falling out 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 3: of love with evs. Gary Hargrave joins me shortly and 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: has the rebel leader in Syria had a road to 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 3: Damascus moment? Or is he just another g hardy? Max 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 3: Abrams joins me from the US to discuss Keir Starmer's 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 3: UK labor government continues to make itself stunningly unpopular. I 10 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 3: speak to Darren Grimes in London with the latest shock poll, 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 3: and of course Left is losing it tonight, including this 12 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 3: member of the trans community who doesn't understand why they 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 3: aren't taken seriously. 14 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: I'm trans and I'm scared for the trans community. This 15 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: is why people don't take us seriously. The reason our 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: country is self and the reason the rest of the 17 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: world laughs at us is because of people like me. 18 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 4: But first joining me now is Sky News contributor. 19 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 3: Gary Hargrave, Gary Kat the CSIRO. They've released the updated 20 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: gen cost report yesterday, but I still think there's a 21 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 3: misunderstanding in the community about what this report is talking about, 22 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 3: and I think people need to remember that the costs 23 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 3: referred to in the report is the break even cost 24 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 3: for investors, you know, to recover their capital operating cost, 25 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 3: reasonable rate of return. That what we see in the 26 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 3: wholesale cost, it's got nothing to do with the retail 27 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 3: price for customers, doesn't include distribution, metering, retail margin, all 28 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: those sorts of things, and the impact across different regions, 29 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 3: different states. The cost stack, well, the wholesale cost is 30 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 3: a much of a muchness. We've got this great graph 31 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 3: here from AEMO which shows that the wholesale costs plus 32 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 3: plus in each state. You know, there are plenty other 33 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 3: things which go into the mix before you get to 34 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 3: retail prices on top of that wholesale cost. Gary, I 35 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 3: just don't know whether this report helps Australians to inform 36 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 3: their view on energy alternatives. 37 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, and Caron, I'm a former ministry in the Science portfolio, 38 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 5: and so I find anything that the CSI seems to 39 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 5: do these days politically tinged, and it's about really just 40 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 5: keeping happy their political masters, which. 41 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 6: Is not what we want from them. 42 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 5: Get back to the diet to help Australians lose weight, 43 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 5: I say, that's the best thing they've ever done. But 44 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 5: this thing is just mischievous, It is misleading, it's lacking 45 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 5: the real detail. And you talk about the distribution costs, 46 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 5: we cannot gloss over that. Estimates are between one point 47 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 5: five and two trillion dollars worth of duplication of the 48 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 5: current electricity grid around the country, more poles and wires 49 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 5: in more places, more of those big steel staunchings draping 50 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 5: across our countryside. And that's how renewables are going to 51 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 5: impact upon the vistas of Australia at the very least, 52 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 5: let alone the cost factors. So you're right, there are 53 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 5: so many other aspects to this, but look it's pretty simple. 54 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 6: Yes, when when it blows. 55 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 5: Can generate electricity, sun when it shines can generate electricity, 56 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 5: but that's only about thirty percent of the time that 57 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 5: we need electricity. 58 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 6: We need twenty four to seven. 59 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 5: And Caroline, we can't have a future made in Australia 60 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 5: when currently our present is made in China. 61 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 6: That's where all these things are coming from. 62 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 5: And I think the Prime Minister and Bohen have completely 63 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 5: lost the plot. 64 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 6: There's zealotry is not helping Australia's future at all. 65 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 3: No, And I do really worry when the conversation when 66 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 3: you're talking about energy alternatives is just limited to talking 67 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 3: about the comparison on the wholesale costs. I just don't 68 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 3: think that that really helps Australian consumers understand the issue. 69 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 4: Well. 70 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: But moving on Gary, but still on the green economy, 71 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 3: let's stay with that very piece by Judith Sloan about 72 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 3: why consumers aren't taking the EV bait anymore. 73 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 4: Look, I'm not surprised. 74 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 3: I've gone through EV ownership with jem Atoniini. I didn't 75 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 3: own one myself, but it was traumatic for me just 76 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: watching her own one of these things. 77 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 4: But what's the catalyst here? 78 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, let's face it, to charge your car, 79 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 5: it's exactly the same as it is to keep your 80 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 5: house going. And so we've got a house full of 81 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 5: fridges and washing machines and things like that. That's the 82 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 5: sort of juice you've got to put into your vehicle 83 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 5: every day. So look at the current power bill and 84 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 5: then double it. That's a pretty good indicator about the cost. Look, 85 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 5: I'm pretty agnostic about what's under the front of the car, 86 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 5: and I know some of these evs they go like 87 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 5: the as we say in Queensland, like the clappers. 88 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 6: They get away from the from the traffic lights. 89 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 5: Pretty darn fast, and so they've got performance, but how 90 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 5: long for? 91 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: You know? 92 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 5: It's they look great in the Strait, but the country 93 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 5: maybe not so. And of course the infrastructure to back 94 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 5: them up is again big thing, and I think a 95 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 5: lot of Australians again. 96 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 6: Realizing that it doesn't stack up. 97 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 5: So whether it's the paperwork, whether it's the urging by 98 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 5: the Greens and people are sick here and the woe 99 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 5: Green the agenda they really are Caroline, or whether it's 100 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 5: just simply the reality of costs. I think people are 101 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 5: going to try and keep their old car going longer 102 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 5: because I don't think I can afford these these they're 103 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 5: also about twice the retail price in a lot of cases. 104 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 5: I know there's some cheap ones coming, so it's not 105 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 5: a very compelling argument for most of us. 106 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 3: No, And I think a lot of people were sucked 107 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 3: in by the tax break, but I'm not sure that 108 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 3: the tax break makes up for the inconvenience of actually 109 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 3: owning one of these things. 110 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 4: Now into something I never thought would happen. In Australia 111 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 4: or to Australia, but the. 112 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 3: Simon Wisenhal Center, a global Jewish human rights organization, is 113 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 3: issued a travel warning to Jews coming to Australia. 114 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 4: Gary, is this actually happening to us? 115 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 6: Look like you? 116 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 5: I am not Jewish, but I've got to say I'm 117 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 5: very much so on the Bob Hawk nineteen seventy one 118 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 5: view that you know, if the bell tolls for Israel, 119 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 5: it's tolling for all of humankind. I greatly believe that 120 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 5: what is happening in Israel now is so wrong, but 121 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 5: what is happening in Australia is even worse. We've got 122 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 5: a Prime Minister who's completely lost his way, lost interest 123 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 5: frankly in the job. He's got the girl, the flash house, 124 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 5: he's got the lifetime pension, he's got lifetime admittance to 125 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 5: the Chairman's lounge, your name it, he's got it. And 126 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 5: so I actually think that over Christmas he's going to 127 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 5: have to have a real strong talk to himself about 128 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 5: whether he can actually keep going, because the failure on 129 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 5: this is exposed that he would actually go and play 130 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 5: tennis in the Golden Triangle of Perth, beautiful part of 131 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 5: the world, Coddsloo, I get it, I understand it. But Fedinkham, 132 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 5: the whole community in Melbourne that has supported Labor was 133 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 5: mourning the loss of a place of worship and he 134 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 5: couldn't actually, on instinct, work out that it was a terrorist. 135 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 6: When Prime miises say this. 136 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 5: There's a consequence, But on instinct there is something really 137 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 5: wrong here and he should have known it from the 138 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 5: first moment he heard about it, but he didn't. And 139 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 5: so I just think the guy has talked his way 140 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 5: out of the job, and sooner he goes the better. 141 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,559 Speaker 6: That's certainly what I'm hearing around Brisbane. We want him gone, 142 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 6: real simple. 143 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't think you guys are the only ones. 144 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 3: I think you make a really good point though, Gary, like, 145 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: where are your priorities if your instinct isn't there to prioritize, 146 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: you know, standing with the Jewish community in solidarity after 147 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 3: something like this, and instead it's Labor donus playing tennis 148 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 3: and obviously that brand new train set over in Western Australia. 149 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 3: It really I think does raise some questions about your 150 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,559 Speaker 3: judgment and maybe about your motivation for the job. 151 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 4: Gary Hargrave, thank you so much for joining us, Thanks Carola. 152 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 3: Joining me now is GB News host Darren Grimes Darren UK. 153 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 3: Labor has had an impressive dive in popularity since being elected. 154 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 3: Their ability to govern, frankly is even worse than I expected. 155 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 3: It's all being laid in a recent poll. What's the 156 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: lightest on Labour's performance. 157 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's pretty abysmal actually for the Labor Party. 158 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 7: You know, they're looking like they're going to be guaranteed 159 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 7: to be a one term government and we're saying that 160 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 7: five months after they won a landslide majority. I don't 161 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 7: think actually this what we're looking at here with this poll, 162 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 7: because what it actually showed was that Nigel Farage's Reform 163 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 7: Party was polling ahead of the Labor the governing Labor Party. 164 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 7: I don't think this is a blip. I think actually 165 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 7: this is the sound of Westminster's very foundations starting to 166 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 7: actually crack apart. You know, you've got a mega momentum 167 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 7: building in Britain for a party that believes in the 168 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 7: nation state, that wants to control its borders, a novel idea, 169 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 7: I know, But you Australians managed to do it. Why 170 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 7: can't we? We're also an island nation. It's not beyond 171 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 7: the widowed man, and actually not to tax everybody out 172 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 7: of existence while spending five billion pounds on asylum for 173 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 7: illegal migrants and others within this country. It's putting the 174 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 7: British people's priorities first, and the Labor Party have been 175 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 7: seen to be doing the total opposite of that. So 176 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 7: I'm not remotely surprised by this poll. 177 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 8: You know, the. 178 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 7: Idea of Labor as the voice of the work and class, well, 179 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 7: they've been relegated to third place. So Reform it's no 180 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 7: longer a fringe party. I think it's starting to look 181 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 7: like a genuine contender for power here in Britain. 182 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 3: And how do the other parties, the Tories and Reform, 183 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: how did they make hay out of all. 184 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 4: These, you know, being so far out from the next election. 185 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 7: I think they continue doing what they're doing. To be 186 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 7: perfectly frank with you, I think the Labor Party are 187 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 7: doing enough for themselves to make an absolute hash of it. 188 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 7: I don't think the winter fuel cut, I don't think 189 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 7: that the tax rises, I don't think that the prioritization 190 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 7: of illegals over the indigenous population. I don't think they're 191 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 7: the kind of things that in four and a half 192 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 7: years the Labor Party can have the nation fall into 193 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 7: some form of amnesia and forget all about I think 194 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 7: their brand now already is incredibly toxic with the British public. 195 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 7: No longer is this a protest vote. I think this 196 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 7: is a vote and act of saying both of the 197 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 7: main political parties the UNI Party, if you will, are 198 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 7: two cheeks of the same horrible old behind, and people 199 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 7: are wanting to see the behind of that horrible old behind. 200 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 4: I love that now. 201 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 3: And I'm just curious with your system of elections being 202 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 3: first past the post, and here in Australia obviously we 203 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 3: have preferential voting. Is there enough room to have two 204 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 3: center right parties? How do they help each other out 205 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 3: not getting each other's way. 206 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 7: Look, I'm not sure that is possible. I think you're 207 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 7: right that in this the realities of the first past 208 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 7: of the post system, or that the if there are 209 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 7: two significant forces on the right of British politics, that 210 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 7: they will ultimately be competing for each other's votes. But 211 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 7: the really interesting thing is that I think in the 212 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 7: so called red wall, so that's like our rust belt, 213 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 7: I actually think that reform are the only viable contenders 214 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 7: right there, right now. I'm here in the northeast of England, 215 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 7: for example, that's the kind of area where Reform are 216 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 7: starting to fight through. They're saying, look, we're going to 217 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 7: focus on local elections, We're going to recruit dissolutioned MP's 218 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 7: and relentlessly target the red Wall heartlands which were supposed 219 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 7: to be the Labor Party's bread and butter. But now 220 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 7: they're more interested in the likes of the island Tonian 221 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 7: middle classes and Islamists. And that ain't the priorities of 222 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 7: people up here. I'll tell you that for free. 223 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 4: No. 224 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 3: And that seems to be not just in the UK, 225 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 3: but in the US and even in Australia. 226 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 4: You are really seeing that in those. 227 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 3: Outer suburban type areas as compared to the inner cities. 228 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 3: But let's just continue on on that thought process for 229 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 3: a second. Is there room then for a potential coalition 230 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 3: between the Tories and Reform, assuming you know, they kind 231 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 3: of stick to different sorts of knitting and they they're 232 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 3: able to beat the Labor Party. 233 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 7: I don't think that will happen. I think ultimately I 234 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 7: don't see what would be in reforms interests for that 235 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 7: to happen because the Tory brand has been one and 236 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 7: you know, you've documented it so many times on this 237 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 7: or ghost channel where you're talking about the fact that 238 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 7: British people in twenty ten, twenty fifteen, twenty seventeen, twenty nineteen, 239 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 7: all of those times they've voted for the Conservatives on 240 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 7: a commitment to reduce net migration to this country. We 241 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 7: just had a million people come to this country last year. 242 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 7: A million people. That's a city the size of Birmingham, 243 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 7: and that is unsustainable and it's a complete betrayal of 244 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 7: the trust and the faith that was put in that 245 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 7: party each on each of those occasions in different strands 246 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 7: of Conservatism. And I think that betrayal isn't going to 247 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 7: go away from the mind of the British public over 248 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 7: the next four and a half years. So I think 249 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 7: Reform would be mad, frankly, to sign up to any 250 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 7: kind of formal agreement at this stage. We'll see what happens. 251 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 7: Four and a half years is a very long time 252 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 7: in a lot of times, but that betrayal that's still 253 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 7: very sore for a lot of people. 254 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 3: And fair enough, absolutely fair enough, and look, you know, 255 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 3: let's go back to libor that. 256 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 4: You know, there's been plenty of. 257 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 3: Coverage in the Chris regarding labor's cuts to the pensioners' 258 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 3: energy payments. So much for the compassionate side of politics. 259 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 3: But we'll park that to one side. 260 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 4: Apparently it's getting worse. 261 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 3: New Reach research is showing that pensioners are now skipping 262 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 3: meals because of financial concerns. 263 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 4: How are these people meant to get through the winter. 264 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a very good question. 265 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 7: Also, whilst in pursuit of net zero or madness, you know, 266 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 7: we're not fortunate like the Australians, where you know, you 267 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 7: still have in some respects at least a viable energy policy. 268 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 7: I think in this country we have gone so far 269 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 7: over the other edge that you know, we're shivering in 270 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 7: our homes expecting wind turbines to turn on. Just the 271 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 7: other day we had a storm called Storm Darrah, and 272 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 7: by the way, the wind was blowing so hard that 273 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 7: the wind turbines that were all reliant upon now weren't 274 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 7: even spinning. I mean, make of that what you will. 275 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 7: The problem here is that we're saying to people you 276 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 7: can't have gas, you can't have coal. We didn't go 277 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 7: into nuclear, so we haven't got that, so effectively, you're 278 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 7: stuck with high sky high energy bills, the highest in Europe, 279 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 7: the highest in the developed world, frankly, and pensioners are 280 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 7: now being told that their winter fuel payment will be 281 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 7: taken from them as well. So basically the Labor Party 282 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 7: policy is saying to pensioners, you will sit quietly, you 283 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 7: will shiver in the cold, and you will be grateful 284 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 7: for it, despite your contribution to this country throughout your 285 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 7: working life. I think it's an act of as you say, 286 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 7: where is the compassion. It's an act of great cruelty. 287 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 7: And the idea that's slashing it now at this point 288 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 7: for over nine million pensioners being a good idea when 289 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 7: our energy policy is nuttier than a fruitcake. I just 290 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 7: can't make heads or tails of it. I really can't. 291 00:15:58,880 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 4: Well. 292 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 3: Libra are trying to save one point four billion pounds apparently, 293 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 3: but I refuse to believe that there isn't room to 294 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 3: cut costs elsewhere. But honestly, why would you choose something like. 295 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 7: This because simple fact, pensioners primarily do not vote for 296 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 7: the Labor Party. They do not vote for the left, 297 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 7: you know, but pensioners on pension credit which is a 298 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 7: form of benefit in this country. Who do qualify for 299 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 7: the winter fuel allowance, they're not aware that they are 300 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 7: able to actually get this payment. And they're making eleven 301 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 7: thousand pounds. That's not a lot of money. I very 302 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 7: much doubt secure starmer could survive on eleven thousand pounds. 303 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 7: The Party claims to be the party of the work 304 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 7: and class, but now it's force and pensioners, as you 305 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 7: rightly identify, to choose between heating and eating. But where 306 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 7: a nation spending billions on international aid on asylum within 307 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 7: this country, even if you've come here illegally, you get bared, 308 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 7: you get bored, you get better, and if it's you 309 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 7: get energy bills, your life is taken care of. Yet 310 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 7: we can't seem to find the money to ensure our 311 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 7: elderly have dignity and that Britain can keep itself warm 312 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 7: at winter. Effectively, the Labor Party need to rethink their 313 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 7: priorities because they are very fast becoming known and synonymous 314 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 7: with that word betrayal, just as the Conservatives were. And ah, 315 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 7: and that is pretty damning, as they found out to 316 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 7: their cost the Conservative Party. So I'm just I'm insensed 317 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 7: by what's happening in my country. I don't recognize what's 318 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 7: happening in my country, but I'm also filled with hope 319 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 7: and optimism that we might actually get some change away 320 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 7: from the uniparty, because they've both made such a frightful 321 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 7: mess of everything in this country. 322 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 3: Absolutely, but the Brits, you know, you always do have 323 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 3: a sense of humor, and the lackluster performance of this 324 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: government has spact Christmas parodies of Kio Stama. 325 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 4: Here it is. 326 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: It'll be freezing? 327 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 9: Is Christmas without fuel at home? 328 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 7: It'll be freezing? 329 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 9: Is Christmass weller stars warm? 330 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 2: It'll be cold, so cold with that few at home? 331 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 2: It is Christmas. She told me she doesn't get outuntil midday. 332 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 6: Because she didn't want to tell her hit. 333 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 4: You A video like this was bound to happen, wasn't it, Darren? 334 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 7: Yeah? Absolutely, I mean you're right, you've got to laugh 335 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 7: while you'll cry. I mean, hopefully Pension is watching this 336 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 7: will be laughing themselves so hard that it keeps them 337 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 7: slightly more moderately warmer than Sakir Starmer, no doubt, with 338 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 7: his central heating blaring in Number ten Downing Street. I mean, 339 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 7: this has taken the country by storm right. This is 340 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 7: channeling the anger, the frustration of millions who feel that 341 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 7: betrayal Chris Middleton and the performers. There's Sir Starmer and 342 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 7: the Granny Harmers. I mean, if your moniker is Granny Harmer, 343 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 7: I would suggest that your pr machine probably isn't working 344 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 7: quite as effectively as you hoped. You know, this is 345 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 7: a rallying cry. I hope it climbs in the charts 346 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 7: and actually could become the Christmas number one, because we're 347 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 7: not going to sit here while our pensioners struggle in 348 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 7: this winter snap. You know, the biting lyrics here and 349 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 7: the humorists take it's serious, but it perfectly captures the mood. 350 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 7: It's not entertainment. It's a form of activism and that 351 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 7: should be really quite scary, orso, Keir Starmer, because every 352 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 7: download is a slap in the face to a party 353 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 7: that just won four hundred odds seats in a parliament 354 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 7: with only six hundred and fifty of them. You know, 355 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 7: that is a damning indictment of what the decisions and 356 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 7: priorities they've made whilst getting into government a million old people, 357 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 7: as you said earlier, skipping meals millions more turning off 358 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 7: the heating because they can't afford it. I mean, come on, 359 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 7: we're meant to be the sixth biggest time. 360 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 3: Absolutely extraordinary. It is absolutely extraordinary. And it's not just 361 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 3: a government. But we've seen a few recent examples of 362 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 3: the police in the UK policing opinions that they don't 363 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 3: appear to like. 364 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 4: Here is the latest example, arresting. 365 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 10: You abscission of improper use of the electronics communications network. 366 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 7: I'm going to be arresting some comments that are offensive 367 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 7: of scene and people have made complaints about that and. 368 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 2: It's translated this comment. 369 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 4: Will do that when we interview. I know I've been 370 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 4: very gobsmacked. 371 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 3: I feel like throughout this entire interview, but this actually 372 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 3: can't be real, can it? 373 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 11: Oh? 374 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 6: No, it very much can be. 375 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: You know. 376 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 7: I am the proud recipient of something called a non 377 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 7: crime hate incident. Now the police in this country moderate 378 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 7: non crimes. And this was because I conducted an interview 379 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 7: during the Black Lives Matter madness that enveloped the country 380 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 7: over a dead American criminal. I have no idea why 381 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 7: it came over to this country. I aired an interview 382 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 7: with a renowned historian in this country and As a consequence, 383 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 7: I was slapped with an investigation that amounted to nothing. 384 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 7: The Home Secretary even got involved, but I still have 385 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 7: a non crime hate incident against my name. Now that 386 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 7: if you do a deep background check as a British citizen, 387 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 7: that comes up on your police record. So it makes 388 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 7: you sound like some kind of real wrongman, when actually 389 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 7: you're just a journalist who's exploring ideas that go against 390 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 7: the consensus of the moment, the zeitgeist of moment. So 391 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 7: what's happening there? This guy posted on his social media 392 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 7: account and someone's made a complaint and the police have 393 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 7: decided to look into it. 394 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 6: But I'll tell you what. 395 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 7: The police are loathed to actually look into burglaries, to 396 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 7: look into fifth to your phone being swept off the 397 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 7: streets of London. They will do absolutely everything but police 398 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 7: actual crime. We are fast becoming an incredibly authoritarian state 399 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 7: in which the police are there to pervert what we 400 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 7: say online over what's actually done to us on our streets. 401 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 7: And that's how they quickly lose their consent of the 402 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 7: public and the faith in them by the public, who, 403 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 7: let's not forget, are their employers. 404 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 3: Ultimately, yeah, absolutely, and just for me, I have a 405 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 3: legal background. The very thought of non crime being on 406 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 3: your criminal record, I just find an extraordinary But anyway, 407 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 3: thank you, Darren Grimes, thank you so much for your time. 408 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 7: An absolute pleasure still to come. 409 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 4: Left is losing it. 410 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 3: Plus we're joined by an international security expert to break 411 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 3: down the fall of the Assad regime in Syria. Max 412 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 3: Abrams is next. Now it's time for lefties losing it. 413 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 3: And we know the left is struggling to deal with 414 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 3: the prospect of a second Trump presidency that there has 415 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 3: been very well documented, but they can't or won't spare Milania. 416 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 3: Take a look at this performative rubbish, please. 417 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: Please please. 418 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 3: Honest Now, I'm not quite sure what that was supposed 419 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 3: to achieve, other than maybe some gratuitous backslapping from other 420 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 3: jaundice progressives who also still cannot grasp that democracy means 421 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 3: that sometimes your team doesn't win. And then there's this 422 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 3: trans person who, like I said at the top of 423 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 3: the show, can't understand why they aren't taken seriously. 424 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 1: I'm trans and I'm scared for the trans community. This 425 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: is why people don't take us seriously. Me me personally, 426 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: me getting on TikTok and making my funny little skit 427 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: videos about funny little interactions I've had in life. I'm 428 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: the reason they don't take it seriously me personally, you know. 429 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: I also get comments like this and people saying that 430 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: the reason the American economy is bad it's because people 431 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: like me, and the reason our country is so and 432 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: the reason the rest of the world laughs at us 433 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: is because of people like me. 434 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 3: I could give this particular individual a laundry list of 435 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 3: the reason why they aren't taken seriously. We could start 436 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 3: with the hair and the makeup and the bull ring, 437 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 3: the size of Texas and if that isn't enough performance, 438 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 3: there's Dylan mulvaney celebrating one thousand days as a girl. 439 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 2: Did you hear it's day one thousands? At day one 440 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 2: thousands of. 441 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 9: God, these are days, these are days, these are days 442 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 9: of girlhood. 443 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 3: I've spent forty years as a girl and I'm looking 444 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 3: forward to the global celebration in my honor. The Sydney 445 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 3: New Year's Fireworks is a good start. And while pensioners 446 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 3: in the UK having their energy payment slash, the BBC 447 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 3: is burning taxpayers money on a new comedy. It's called 448 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 3: Ginger's house, and it's set in a drag queen's home. 449 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 3: In each episode, another drag queen visits and ends up 450 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 3: being asked to do a chore. 451 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 4: Episode one's chall is burying a hamster. 452 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 6: Do you want to sugar? 453 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 5: Oh? 454 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 6: Yes, just want to please girl? There you go? Thank you? 455 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 8: So? 456 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 6: Uh, what we're gonna do with this little hand? 457 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: So we're gonna. 458 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 6: Clean out the case? Give him a bath? What do 459 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 6: you want to do? 460 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 7: No, sweetheart, We're going to barrier. 461 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 3: I wish I was joking. And here, of course, is 462 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 3: the latest hysteria from the view. 463 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 4: Because we're legal, we are successful. 464 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 2: We are. 465 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 12: But if you're an illegal in this country, you're not 466 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 12: going to be not in apparent, or you are were 467 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 12: a woman working. 468 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 8: For the Department of Defense, you have a right to 469 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 8: be in a panic. 470 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 4: You tell people. 471 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 10: To stay fraud and like this, I'm telling people to prepare. 472 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: Whoopee, I'm telling people are not prepared. 473 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 2: They are prepared. 474 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 4: So that means I'm saying that means that they can 475 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 4: be relaxing and enjoying. No, it doesn't mean winter, it does, 476 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 4: you know what. I'm sorry? I mean winter is here. 477 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 3: These people have already survived one Trump presidency, and at 478 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 3: least this time, Trump is a known quantity, But it 479 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 3: seems that historyonics is in no danger of abating. Stay tuned, 480 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 3: ladies and gents, expect there to be more of this. 481 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 3: And here is probably the most cynical take I have 482 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 3: ever seen on a father spending time with his son. 483 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 9: I did not think I could like this guy any less. 484 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 9: You cannot tell me this was not to protect himself, 485 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,239 Speaker 9: and in what a disgusting fashion than to put your 486 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 9: four year old child in harm's way to protect yourself. 487 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 9: Why didn't you walk with him holding his hand? Why 488 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 9: was he on his shoulders right behind his head? Why 489 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 9: wasn't he just holding his hand? He's four, he can walk? 490 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 9: Because this, oh my god. 491 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 3: Mostly this just begs the question why should Musk even 492 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 3: think his safety is under threat? 493 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 4: Who are these people joining me now? 494 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 3: Is international security expert Professor Max Abrams. 495 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 4: Max, thanks for joining us now. Before we get into. 496 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 3: The situation in Syria, i'd like to get your opinion 497 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 3: on Trump's Secretary of Defense, Peak peak Headseth the left 498 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 3: of being a meltdown over this. 499 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 4: Take a look. 500 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 12: I have grave concerns about peace hag Seth as Secretary 501 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 12: of Defense. He's wholly unqualified for it. This is overseeing 502 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 12: the entire US military, the personnel population under it, the families, 503 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 12: the dependence that is not someone who should be there, 504 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 12: and then add. 505 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 4: To it the moral failings. 506 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 12: These are rules where you put people in them who 507 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 12: the force can look up to, who they can admire, 508 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 12: people who have family values. This should be disqualifying, and 509 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 12: I actually think the Senate has very real concerns about 510 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 12: hag Seth. 511 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 4: But Trump he stands by his peak. 512 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: Do you still have confidence in Pete hegxas, Yes. 513 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 11: I do, I really do. He's a very smart guy. 514 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 11: I've known him through Fox, but I've known him for 515 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,959 Speaker 11: a long time and he's basically a military guy. I mean, 516 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 11: every time I talked to him, all he wants to 517 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 11: talk about is the military. He's a military guy. I 518 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,239 Speaker 11: used to kid him about it. 519 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 2: I didn't think would be. 520 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 11: In this position where he may be hopefully will be 521 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 11: Secretary of Defense. But every time I was with him, 522 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 11: he was fighting for soldiers where he said some soldier 523 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 11: was unjustly put in prison because they were really doing 524 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 11: what they were taught to do in some cases. So yeah, 525 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 11: I think he's going to do fine. 526 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 3: Now, Max peyt Hag sith, he's a US military veteran, 527 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 3: he served in Afghanistan and Iraq. 528 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 4: Do you think he's a right man for the job. 529 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 2: I think that Trump picked him for a reason. It's 530 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 2: not at all surprising that his critics on the left 531 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 2: to criticize everything, criticize this choice as well. When you 532 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 2: look at what the criticisms are, they're, you know, not 533 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 2: they're extremely trivial. Frankly, you know that he had a 534 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,959 Speaker 2: drink at Tenant on Saint Patrick's Day or whatever it is. 535 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 2: There are unconfirmed allegations of impropriety with women as evidence. 536 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: They put forward an email from his mother, who now 537 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 2: says that the email doesn't accurately reflect her views and 538 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 2: that she's sorry that she wrote it and it's being misconstrued. 539 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 2: These are not subsitive critiques of his ability to lead 540 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 2: the Pentagon. The reason why he's chosen is because he's 541 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 2: seen as a good spokesperson for Donald Trump's military views. 542 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 2: Pete is seen as representing the veterans as being America first, 543 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 2: as not getting the United States bogged down in unnecessary wars, 544 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 2: as well as rooting out some of the left wing 545 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 2: extremism that has infected the Pentagon, the so called dei, 546 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 2: the woke is, and to really prioritize mirror and frankly lethality. 547 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 2: So I think that Trump is going to stick with 548 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 2: Pete and I expect the appointment through. 549 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 3: And look, let's be honest, if sparkly perfect family values 550 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 3: was a requirement, you'd probably be emptying out half of Washington. 551 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 4: It wouldn't just be Pete. Hegseth. 552 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 3: Now, just on Trump, and a new pole has recently 553 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 3: revealed that Canadians seem to approve of Trump over their 554 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 3: Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau. 555 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 4: Can you explain this polling data to us? 556 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,719 Speaker 2: I mean, let's be honest, Canada is a mass. Whenever 557 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 2: there's a story about Canada, it's almost never good. It 558 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 2: seems like every night, or several times a week. I'm 559 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 2: looking at I mean, it looks like the Gaza strip. There. 560 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 2: There's there's violence, there's extremism. It's an example of what 561 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 2: happens when the leader of a country is a left 562 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,719 Speaker 2: wing extremist. And you compare that to Donald Trump's record 563 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 2: and it's much better. Just this week, there was a 564 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 2: major international event where they were essentially reopening, rededicating the 565 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 2: note true Dame because it had been referring after the 566 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: big fire. And Donald Trump showed up there And this 567 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 2: might be subjective, but really the way that he was 568 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 2: interacting with the heads of state, it made me feel 569 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: almost like America was back. And you contrast with some 570 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 2: of the left wing leaders Trudeau and even Joe Biden, 571 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 2: and the really just isn't that that same international reception? 572 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, the gravity that goes along with it. 573 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 3: Now moving on to Sirius I mentioned at the top, 574 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 3: look the world. We've just seen this huge change in 575 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 3: the landscaping Syria and in a matter of days, what's 576 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 3: the latest there at the moment. 577 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 2: It's been absolutely unbelievable to watch the last couple of 578 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 2: weeks in Syria. Remember, there was an enormous war that 579 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:27,239 Speaker 2: happened between Assad and all of these Islamist rebels, and 580 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 2: it went on for years, and the hundreds of thousands 581 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 2: of deaths and hundreds of thousands, even more of millions 582 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 2: of displaced people, and just in a matter of a 583 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 2: couple of weeks, the so called rebels, when we wanted, 584 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 2: Sid's opposition just steam rolled through the country with almost 585 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 2: no opposition deposing Assad, and so what we're now seeing 586 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 2: is that these you know, so called rebels are in 587 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 2: a leadership. They are now the government in a reminiscent 588 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: of what happened in Afghanistan where the Towerbion was in 589 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 2: the opposition. Obviously they were tinged very badly with terrorism, 590 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 2: and then they became the government. And now we're seeing 591 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 2: now in Damascus. 592 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 3: Now, look, there has been plenty of discussion about these 593 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 3: rebels and obviously they've taken over huge ways of Syria. 594 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 3: What does this mean for the transfer of power? I mean, 595 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 3: obviously people are delighted at the fall of the Assad regime, 596 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 3: no doubt, but what are they actually getting in its place? 597 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 2: It's an extremely difficult picture in terms of the inclination 598 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 2: to root for one side or the other. And the 599 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,879 Speaker 2: reason is is because so many of the actors in 600 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 2: Syria were frankly terrible. So Asad, you know, gast As people. 601 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 2: Just this past day they opened the prison. Essentially they 602 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 2: were dungeons, torture chambers for thousands of Syrians. Asad of 603 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 2: course was in cahoots with Hezbollah and other Iranian terrorist proxies. 604 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 2: On the other hand, he's been deposed now and the 605 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 2: people who have been empowered are literally former Islamic State 606 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 2: and al Qaeda guys. So the leader of the main 607 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 2: rebel group, which we call HTS, he was a subordin 608 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 2: of Baghdaddy, the leader of Islamic State. He went into 609 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 2: Syria and branched out and was the founder of the 610 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 2: al Qaeda affiliate in Syria. These are Salafi Jihadis, their Islamis, 611 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 2: their political views are very extreme. They have a tremendous 612 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 2: amount of blood on their hands. And now the leadership 613 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 2: is saying all the right things. They're saying that today 614 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 2: is a different day, that they understand the urgency of moderation, 615 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 2: that they want to preside over the entire country, and 616 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 2: they're not going to pursue the minorities, and they are 617 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 2: eschewing terrorism and they want to be removed from being 618 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 2: designated as a terrorist group. So the leadership is savvy. 619 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,240 Speaker 2: Whether or not it's actually predictive of their behavior remains 620 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 2: to be seen. Personally, I think that we're in a 621 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 2: period of elevated international terrorism risk. One of the things 622 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 2: that SAD used to do in Syria, in addition to 623 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,879 Speaker 2: completely mistreating its population and sometimes killing them, is that 624 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 2: the Syrian Arab Army would actually confront Islamic State. And 625 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 2: so now there are real questions about will there be 626 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 2: Islamic State resurgence without the Syrian Arab Army, will there 627 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 2: be a power vacuum, and how will the new government 628 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 2: respond to Islamic State. And it's really for that reason 629 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 2: that over the past couple of days the United States 630 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 2: has really helped up its bombing of Islamic State targets. 631 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 2: I am happy to see a sad go. I am 632 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,760 Speaker 2: happy to see a weakening of the so called access 633 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 2: of resistance, a weakening of Iran and its terrorist proxies. 634 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 2: But I do worry that these radical Sunni militants will 635 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,800 Speaker 2: continue with their extreme ways and that we may actually 636 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 2: see an elevated terrorism risk internationally. 637 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 3: And not only that, but also danger I suppose for 638 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 3: those minority communities within Syria, the Druids, the Christians and 639 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:49,720 Speaker 3: the Kurds. 640 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 4: And I just want to go back to this rebel 641 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 4: leader al Jilani, you know, former al Qaeda commander. 642 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 3: The left wing media seemed to be reporting, like you said, 643 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 3: if he's moderated and enlightened and excused, the pun has 644 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 3: had his road to Damascus moment, no doubt, you'll all 645 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 3: and we all remember the commentary around the Taliban after 646 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 3: the fall of Afghanistan. 647 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 4: You know, this latest on this latest occasion. 648 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 3: You know they were all going to be new aged 649 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 3: and inclusive, and look what we've seen play out in Afghanistan. 650 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 3: Is there the possibility that we see this also happen 651 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 3: in Syria and have the left wing media maybe just 652 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 3: been a little too optimistic too early. 653 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that that's a good way to 654 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 2: put it. I do think that they're too optimistic too early. 655 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 2: EACHTS has an absolutely terrible truck recker. The leader was 656 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,839 Speaker 2: Islamic ste as well as al Qaeda at a very 657 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 2: high level. He was the subordinate. Too bad daddy. So 658 00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 2: we'll see how much this group has genuinely modeled. It 659 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 2: should also be said that the task before HTS is enormous. 660 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 2: Syria is a very fractured country with many different kinds 661 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 2: of demographic groups. You have the Sunni majority, but you 662 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 2: also have Alloyites, you have Kurds and people in between. 663 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 2: In Syria is not a country with a tradition historically 664 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 2: of democracy, certainly not liberal democracy, and so I really 665 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 2: don't expect things to go that smoothly for this new government. 666 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 2: I will be surprised if the government is able to, 667 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 2: you know, even provide basic services into the future. I 668 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 2: will be surprised if these groups, you know, are not victimized. 669 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 2: You also have to include the fact that Turkey has 670 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 2: its eyes on ramping up attacks even more against the Kurds. 671 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 2: Does the government in Damascus, how will it respond Erduwan 672 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 2: views the government as an ally, so I worry in 673 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 2: particular about the Kurds. They were really our main ground 674 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 2: forces during the heyday of Islamic State and helped us 675 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 2: to defeat the Califate there. I also have concerns that 676 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 2: with this new government it will spur attacks even outside 677 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 2: the region. When Eahts assumed power just over the past 678 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 2: couple of days, it was immediately congratulated by the Taliban, 679 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 2: by Hamas, by a branch of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and 680 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 2: by multiple Al Qaeda affiliates. I find it very hard 681 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 2: to believe that we're going to have a good impression 682 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 2: of government that is being celebrated by so many of 683 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 2: the worst terrorists in the world. 684 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 3: I totally agree, and look, we're just going to have 685 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,399 Speaker 3: to wait and see. It'll also be interesting to see 686 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 3: what happens over the next few weeks with the changing 687 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 3: presidency in the US. 688 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 4: I mean, who knows what is going to happen. 689 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 3: We'll all have to wait and see. Thank you so much, 690 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 3: Max Abrams, so. 691 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 4: Much still to come. 692 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,760 Speaker 3: Claire Row joins me to explain why old school teaching 693 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 3: methods are back in fashion and improving outcomes for kids. 694 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 4: Welcome back. 695 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,280 Speaker 3: Joining me now is child, an adolescent psychologist and SKYE 696 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 3: News contributor Claire Row. Claire, we saw the Federal Parliament 697 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 3: past legislation last week banning social media for children under 698 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,919 Speaker 3: sixteen years old. What have parents been saying to you 699 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 3: following that new being passed? 700 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 10: Yeah, thanks Caroline. It's interesting because I'm already actually seeing 701 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,319 Speaker 10: the impact of this law already. So most parents I 702 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 10: talked to are pretty happy about this. They're feeling empowered, 703 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 10: they're feeling like they can say no. I mean, I've 704 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 10: always said that that was the answer anyway, right, this 705 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,040 Speaker 10: problem could have been solved tomorrow if parents banded together. 706 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,800 Speaker 10: We didn't actually need the government. But anyway, that wasn't happening. 707 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,360 Speaker 10: I'm already seeing obviously, if you've got a kid who's eleven, 708 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,319 Speaker 10: twelve years old. They're heading off to high school next year. 709 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 10: Parents are now saying, no, you can't have social media 710 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 10: because you know it's going to be banned in twelve 711 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 10: months time anyway, And so they're going to have the 712 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,399 Speaker 10: fight of their lives if they give it to them 713 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,319 Speaker 10: for twelve months and then try to remove it. So 714 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 10: most parents I'm talked talking with are pretty happy about this. 715 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 10: I know that, you know, I was not always on 716 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 10: board as a supporter of this. I don't condone government 717 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 10: telling us how to parent, but at the end of 718 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 10: the day, I'm seeing kids every day. This is literally 719 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 10: killing our kids and the mental health effects I think 720 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:12,840 Speaker 10: outweigh any ridiculous argument, particularly disappointingly by mental health groups 721 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 10: saying that social media is a place where kids can 722 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,760 Speaker 10: come together and protect some aspects of their mental health. 723 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 10: I just don't buy into that argument at all. 724 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 3: And do you think that in a broader sense, if 725 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 3: kids aren't going to be on social media, they can 726 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 3: be outdoing other things like I know that we have 727 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,839 Speaker 3: a lot of online interaction, but one of the you know, 728 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 3: good old old fashioned kids playing with each other in person. 729 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, so obviously. 730 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 10: One of the arguments, you know, that's talked about a 731 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 10: lot against social media is what they're seeing online. But actually, 732 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 10: I've spoken for nearly a decade now, I think the 733 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 10: biggest impact of social media is what they're not doing. 734 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 10: So if I look at a kids in usage, you know, 735 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 10: it's six seven hours a day, and so we have 736 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 10: to ask what was the previous generation doing with that 737 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 10: six or seven hours, And you're right, they were socializing, 738 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 10: they were talking to each other, they were sleeping, you 739 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 10: know kids don't sleep these days. They were having dinners 740 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 10: with their family, they were out exercising. So for me, 741 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 10: it's not just about the predatory behavior and the junk 742 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 10: on social media. It's about the complete addiction of looking 743 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 10: into a little black box and not doing all these 744 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,279 Speaker 10: other things which are really important for development. So you're right, 745 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 10: we might actually just get back to some socialization without 746 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 10: arguing that they have to connect somehow online and. 747 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 2: Schools have already proven that right. 748 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,919 Speaker 10: So the school band has been the best thing that 749 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,279 Speaker 10: the new South Wales government brought in and kids have 750 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,880 Speaker 10: moved from staring into their screens on the playground to 751 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,479 Speaker 10: talking to each other, so that that's just proven a 752 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:01,799 Speaker 10: massively positive move. 753 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, I tend to agree with that. 754 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 8: And still on schools and appears old is new again, 755 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 8: and the twenty twenty four NAP Plan results have been 756 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 8: pre significantly with the recent return of the old school 757 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 8: the direct instruction teaching, which no doubt you and I 758 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 8: both had. 759 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,399 Speaker 3: But can you explain to us why children learn better 760 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:22,799 Speaker 3: this way? 761 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:24,480 Speaker 4: Yeah? 762 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,760 Speaker 10: Well, I think a lot of parents and certainly grandparents 763 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,279 Speaker 10: who are hearing this news actually might think I had 764 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 10: no idea that classrooms were not done in this way. 765 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,640 Speaker 10: You know this we're talking about old school stuff, but 766 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,160 Speaker 10: it's actually just really common sense. So these days, the 767 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 10: last at least generation have had a massive educational experiment 768 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,320 Speaker 10: on them and a move away from the teacher teaching, 769 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,520 Speaker 10: and we've gone to this student led teaching approach where 770 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 10: it's collaborative and they have to discover the answers themselves 771 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 10: in groups. And you know, we need to go back 772 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 10: to explicit teaching rote learning. We know developmentally and cognitively, 773 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 10: that's actually how the brain learns. It learns by breaking 774 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,279 Speaker 10: things down into chunks. It learns from modeling from an 775 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,080 Speaker 10: authority figure, it learns from. 776 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 2: Structure, and so We've got. 777 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,799 Speaker 10: A couple of schools now that have returned to this, 778 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 10: and surprise, surprise, the naplan results outstanding and better than 779 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 10: they've ever been. So this experimentation, and that's all I 780 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 10: can call it, because what was working in kind of 781 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 10: the early nineties changed. 782 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 2: By the mid nineties. 783 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,399 Speaker 10: And this is a case is of you know, if 784 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,920 Speaker 10: it ain't broke, don't fix it. So we need to 785 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 10: get back to that teacher led explicit instruction, learning in 786 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,800 Speaker 10: times tables, regular testing like your spelling test on a Friday. 787 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 10: That's the type of teaching we need to get back 788 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 10: to because the evidence is really clear that that's what 789 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 10: produces the academic results. 790 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,719 Speaker 3: And I can never understand why they stuff around with 791 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,320 Speaker 3: things which work. There's plenty of things in and around 792 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 3: education that don't work. Why don't they focus the bureacrats 793 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,839 Speaker 3: focus on those problems rather than stuffing around with the 794 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,839 Speaker 3: things that do work and making it all worse. But 795 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,440 Speaker 3: there was also this week a really interesting report by 796 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,920 Speaker 3: the ABC which suggests that intervention as early as preschool 797 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,480 Speaker 3: can help reduce youth crime. Now what kind of intervention 798 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 3: are they are they speaking of? And why is it 799 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:31,240 Speaker 3: so helpful? 800 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:32,759 Speaker 6: Yeah? 801 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 10: Well, this was interesting, and this study looks at getting 802 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:41,480 Speaker 10: in there and closing the gap for some particularly disadvantaged children. 803 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,279 Speaker 7: And we know that if we can get in and. 804 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,520 Speaker 10: Have a multi pronged attack on things like their communication 805 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,440 Speaker 10: and verbal skills. This study also works with parents at 806 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,600 Speaker 10: home on behavioral management and supporting families. So we're trying 807 00:47:55,640 --> 00:48:00,040 Speaker 10: to close the gap on low social economic kids. 808 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,399 Speaker 2: And disadvantage kids. 809 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,319 Speaker 10: Then absolutely the trajectory for those kids is going to 810 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,000 Speaker 10: be really much better and steer them away ten years 811 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,799 Speaker 10: later from juvenile crime. So this is a really confirming 812 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,520 Speaker 10: study to what psychologists have said for a long time 813 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 10: that early intervention makes the world of difference. 814 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 2: I would just. 815 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,759 Speaker 10: Say though, as well, I think we need to have 816 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:26,799 Speaker 10: a real good balance between these wonderful programs at a 817 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 10: preschool age, but they also investment into families to help 818 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,960 Speaker 10: them keep kids at home if that's what they want 819 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,239 Speaker 10: to do, and not be forced into full time preschool 820 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,080 Speaker 10: or daycare due to economic pressures. So it's that balance 821 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:45,160 Speaker 10: that we need between the two fostering healthy attachment at 822 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,400 Speaker 10: home and also these more structured government led programs. 823 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 3: And I think you just you end up with much 824 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,760 Speaker 3: more rounded children the earlier that you can start working 825 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,799 Speaker 3: on these sorts of things, particularly if there's any sort 826 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,920 Speaker 3: of issues, much much better than trying to deal with 827 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:07,640 Speaker 3: late stage problems. Thank you so much, Clairot, and that's 828 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,160 Speaker 3: it for me, up next to his newsnight, good night,