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Speaker 1: H approache production.

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Speaker 2: For the record.

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Speaker 3: I'm don't trying to make y'all comfortable for the record.

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Speaker 3: You ain't trying to grow any stuff.

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Speaker 4: For your for the record.

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Speaker 3: Lab on me going all the way for the record.

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Speaker 3: Ain't trying to link no time to waste stuff for.

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Speaker 5: The record, for the record, for the for the record,

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Speaker 5: for the record, for the record, for the record, for

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Speaker 5: the record.

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Speaker 3: Don't try and make y'all comfortable.

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Speaker 1: There's a wow factor.

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Speaker 2: But when you walk in a room full of men

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Speaker 2: who's got the same intentions, you know, there's an energy

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Speaker 2: that that intention creates, and you can feel this aura of.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's respect or you know, it's like you're in

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Speaker 1: a room full of people that are willing to die

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Speaker 1: for a way of life. You know, that's pretty That's

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Speaker 1: a pretty fucking full on thing to experience, which I

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Speaker 1: don't think you can experience in any other part of

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Speaker 1: contemporary society really like where you know, it's not like

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Speaker 1: a football club, do you know what I mean. It's

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Speaker 1: like that kind of camaraderie. You know, it probably don't

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Speaker 1: exist and are in the military or something, you know,

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Speaker 1: where people are well and you and we're talking about

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Speaker 1: a period where you know, as you would know very well,

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Speaker 1: the lad laws got introduced and clubs were going through

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Speaker 1: really really hard conditions, and it was all over the

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Speaker 1: news that the politicians were really going after them and

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Speaker 1: targeting them and making them an example for their tough

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Speaker 1: on crime, you know, cool agendas.

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Speaker 4: Motorcycle gangs saw the introduction of controversial laws.

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Speaker 2: They've since faced heavy criticism, even from a former Gold

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Speaker 2: Coast detective.

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Speaker 1: It was a.

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Speaker 3: Friday night, a busy Gold Coast restaurant became a blanky battleground,

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Speaker 3: dubbed the Broadbeach Brawl. It was the fight that started

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Speaker 3: a war.

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Speaker 1: It was a time where if you wanted to be

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Speaker 1: involved in that line, it was really separating the boys

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Speaker 1: from the men. Like you you there were some serious

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Speaker 1: sacrifices being made of. Like you know, I think there's

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Speaker 1: the sentences in Queensland, whether if you were in a

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Speaker 1: club you've got an extra ten years on your whack

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Speaker 1: or something like that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Queensland was the one of the toughest ones.

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Speaker 4: Queensland and New South Wales came down extremely hard, you know,

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Speaker 4: and in different variations of the law.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about a time where I sat in a

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Speaker 1: room as a very young member and heard stories about

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Speaker 1: older blokes trying to fight this thing in the High Court,

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Speaker 1: putting their houses up for this life style. That's right,

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Speaker 1: you know, selling their bikes. You know, these guys that

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Speaker 4: What about what about all the businesses, all the businesses

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Speaker 4: I mean, like, you know, anybody that had an affiliation

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Speaker 4: tool of trade, whether it be tattooing or you know,

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Speaker 4: anything similar that had relevance to you know, I guess

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Speaker 4: Blokes that were going on the building sites and you

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Speaker 4: look maybe you're affiliated, you know, have you had any

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Speaker 4: We can't have you on here, and what the fuck

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Speaker 4: I'm coming to work?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 4: These are just blokes that ride bikes that have enjoyed

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Speaker 4: the club life. Look, you know, not everybody and I

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Speaker 4: think this is something that people hear but don't realize.

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Speaker 4: Not everybody in the club has criminality. You know, not

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Speaker 4: everybody has intentions to go out and do uh this

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Speaker 4: and that and move this made There's so many good

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Speaker 4: men that just love the camaraderie, the blootherhood and riding.

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Speaker 1: Both most of them. How good is the national run?

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Speaker 4: Especially when you're sitting up the front of the pack

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Speaker 4: somewhere and you're looking back, Man, you've just seen all

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Speaker 4: these brothers behind you and you know your side. There's

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Speaker 4: period of your life either.

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Speaker 1: Of course not, of course not. I loved it. And

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Speaker 1: I was involved in the ship myself that a lot

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Speaker 4: So you that's no, that's a pretty powerful thing because

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Speaker 4: you and I both know that's one of well predominantly

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Speaker 4: you know, heroin and ice are forbidden.

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Speaker 1: You know it was forbidden.

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Speaker 4: You got and you gone pump.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you lost.

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Speaker 4: Because it's just what it did was at that time

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Speaker 4: is it just destroyed. It destroyed chapters that destroys families,

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Speaker 4: that destroys brotherhood. You were blessed obviously to have a

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Speaker 4: staunch team of brothers around here to believed in you, obviously, but.

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Speaker 1: Not just me, I've seen it happened to other blokes too.

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Speaker 1: Like they really they really went out of their way

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Speaker 1: And that's no word to lot of people that were

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Speaker 4: I give credit. I give credit to the men that

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Speaker 4: you were around, because I think that that you know,

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Speaker 4: that's no different to doing what your I do today,

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Speaker 4: trying to help others not to walk down that path.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's not about belittling the club. It's just

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Speaker 4: our better choice for us obviously personally and the life

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, like a lot of people, a lot of

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Speaker 1: a lot of their wisdom. You know, there's a lot

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Speaker 4: They were the blokes that would never talk to you,

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Speaker 4: You know, like I walk in and I respectfully, you know,

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Speaker 1: What's your problem.

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Speaker 4: Next thing, you're accepted, and that brother will be the

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Speaker 4: first brother to come over and give you the biggest hug,

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Speaker 1: Knowledge, some moments. Forget, man, when I got my colors.

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Speaker 4: Was an old school way of getting your colors.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that meant.

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Speaker 4: Well, there's either one or two ways. You get a

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I don't get a touch It was

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Speaker 1: all But so we're talking about some some of the

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Speaker 1: ask a reporter quote unquote, the most terrifying men in

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Speaker 1: but but going back on the on the political thing

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Speaker 1: the perspective is in Queensland, which which dished out those

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Speaker 1: that was happening in Queensland was by outlaw motorcycle club members.

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Speaker 1: You know, this was purely a symbolic attack on the

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Speaker 1: and so they were targeted. I'm not saying, I'm not

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Speaker 4: A particular international club comes across, this particular club that

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Man, they had. That's what the news and the

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Speaker 1: media reports on these issues. As though they were they

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Speaker 1: literally couldn't The law couldn't say you couldn't live the

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Speaker 1: It wasn't an option. And then you had blokes that

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Speaker 1: character grounds, no charges, nothing, just because they were members

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Speaker 1: of outlaw motorcycle club. They had kids here.

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Speaker 4: See, I don't even like that word bikey. Bikey to

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Speaker 4: me is like, well, we were always fucking more than

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Speaker 4: a very well organized outfit too. Bike is a bit

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Speaker 4: I never seen myself as a bikey, but I feel

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Speaker 4: that there was a lot of men that contributed in

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Speaker 4: a positive way. That yeah, they were in clubs, but

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Speaker 4: what they gave, they paid their taxes, they provided an

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Speaker 4: anybody else. And I can guarantee you could probably leave

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Speaker 4: She ain't going to get right, kids aren't going to

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Speaker 4: get touch and you're not going to get fucking robed

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Speaker 1: We need to make this point clear too, that we're

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Speaker 1: not talking about the five oh one deportees. We're not

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Speaker 1: talking about people who've committed a crime and because they've

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Speaker 1: it's of over three years or something. We're talking about

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Speaker 4: And then it's become criminal, a criminal offense, wasn't it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well they were. It was purely that they could

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Speaker 4: So you mauma would become a part of the next step,

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Speaker 4: the next generation I suppose of moving forward with that club, Well, I.

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Speaker 1: Just I just trust. I trusted the elders, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, as like I said, I started, I started

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Speaker 4: And then is that more drug area disputes or is

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Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, kind of like that, but even just

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Speaker 4: That's what I mean. It looks like a weakness. You

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Speaker 4: didn't Retelli, you didn't do anything, and then you know,

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Speaker 4: we got we got your men.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot, a lot of dramas happened.

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Speaker 4: It's it's full, isn't it. And it goes it does.

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Speaker 4: It escalates from there and in history tells us that.

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Speaker 1: Last two years I lost you know, that's at one

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Speaker 1: point I had more of my close mates in prison

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Speaker 1: twenty one. You've got fifteen years or something like that.

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Speaker 1: I went to about four or five funerals in the

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Speaker 1: you know that I don't know soldiers that have gone

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Speaker 1: to Afghanistan and lost.

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Speaker 3: That minute don't try and make you uncomfortable for the record.

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Speaker 3: You ain't trying to grow downy stuff.

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Speaker 5: For your DA for the record.

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Speaker 3: Lab on me going all the way way for the record.

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Speaker 3: Ain't trying to link, No, trying to waste.

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Speaker 5: For the record, for the record, for the record for

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Speaker 5: the reckon yea, for the record for the reged