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Speaker 1: It was a showdown today in the mushroom murder trial.

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Speaker 1: The lead barristers of both the prosecution and the defense

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Speaker 1: addressed the jury, with Nannette Rodgers finalizing the Crown's argument

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Speaker 1: that Aaron Patterson told lies upon lies when her murder

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Speaker 1: plot started to unravel.

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Speaker 2: We say there is no reasonable alternative explanation for what

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Speaker 2: happened to the lunch guests other than the accused deliberately

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Speaker 2: sourced death cap mushrooms and deliberately included them in the meal.

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Speaker 2: She served them with an intention to kill them. In

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Speaker 2: the lead up to the lunch and in the periods

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Speaker 2: after the lunch, Aaron Patterson told so many lies it's

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Speaker 2: hard to keep track of them. She has told lies

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Speaker 2: upon lies because she knew the truth would implicate her.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Colin Mandy started the defense case by saying his

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Speaker 1: client never planned to kill her lunch guests and had

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Speaker 1: a motive to keep them in her world.

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Speaker 3: She didn't plan it. She never planned to kill anyone,

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Speaker 3: and when they did get very, very sick, she panicked

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Speaker 3: because that's when she realized that it might have been

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Speaker 3: the meal and the spotlight would be on her. And

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Speaker 3: that's a very powerful reason why you can't, in our submission,

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Speaker 3: find this element of intention. It's why you should have

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Speaker 3: a reasonable doubt about it. It is an implausible theory

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Speaker 3: when you take a step back and look at the

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Speaker 3: big picture.

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Speaker 1: In Room four of the La Trobe Valley Law Courts,

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Speaker 1: both sides came out swinging. I'm Brook Greebert Craig, and

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Speaker 1: this is the mushroom cook We just finished day thirty

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Speaker 1: three of Aaron Patterson's trial, and as always I'm joined

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Speaker 1: by court reporter Laura Placella. We've had a big day, Yes,

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Speaker 1: another one this morning. Doctor Rogers continued with the prosecution's

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Speaker 1: fourth calculated deception, which was the sustained cover Aaron embarked

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Speaker 1: on to conceal the truth to remind listeners the other

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Speaker 1: three with a fabricated cancer claim Aaron used as a

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Speaker 1: reason for the lunch, the lethal doses of poison Aaron

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Speaker 1: secreted in the beef Wellington's and Aaron's attempts to make

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Speaker 1: it seem like she also suffered death cap mushroom poisoning.

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Speaker 4: So there were four elements to the sustained cover up,

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Speaker 4: two of which doctor Rogers mentioned yesterday. But today she

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Speaker 4: turned to the disposing of the dehydrator that she said

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Speaker 4: Erin had used to dehydrate death caps. Erin has admitted

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Speaker 4: that she dumped the appliance the day after she was

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Speaker 4: released from Monash Medical Center, but doctor Rogers said today

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Speaker 4: the only reason that Aaron dumped it was because she

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Speaker 4: knew she had used it to prepare the deadly meal.

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Speaker 4: This is what doctor Rogers said today. These are her words,

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Speaker 4: but not her voice.

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Speaker 2: If there was nothing incriminating about the dehydrator, why hide it?

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Speaker 2: And there is only one reasonable explanation. She knew it

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Speaker 2: would incriminate her. She knew that she had dehydrated death

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Speaker 2: cap mushrooms in that appliance, and that she had deliberately

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Speaker 2: done so, and she knew that keeping it was going

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Speaker 2: to be far too risky. So one of the first

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Speaker 2: things that she did after getting back from the Monash

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Speaker 2: Hospital was to race out to the tip and dump it,

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Speaker 2: try to make it disappear. If not for the careful

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Speaker 2: analysis of the accused spank records conducted by Senior Constable

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Speaker 2: Meg Crawford, no one would ever have known about the dehydrator.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Patterson certainly wasn't telling anyone about it. In fact,

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Speaker 2: a dehydrator in her house. She answered with a completely

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Speaker 1: Doctor Rogers then moved on to the last element of

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Speaker 1: the sustained cover up, which was Aaron deliberately concealing her

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Speaker 1: usual mobile phone from police. Rogers talked the jury through

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Speaker 1: Phone A, which was her usual phone, Phone B, which

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Speaker 1: was her dummy phone, and Phone C, which was her

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Speaker 1: NOKIAF phone. Laura, let's start with Phone A.

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Speaker 4: The game of phones continues, so with Phone A, as

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Speaker 4: you just said, brook Erin's usual phone. Doctor Rogers explained

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Speaker 4: was executed at Aaron's house on August five. But doctor

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Speaker 4: For the first time, we heard doctor Rogers call Phone

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Speaker 4: had been factory reset multiple times by Erin, including on

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Speaker 4: She then turned to the SIM card that was in

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Speaker 4: a SIM card ending in eight three five. Erin claimed

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Speaker 1: Great let's finish with Phone C, which was the Nokia phone.

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Speaker 4: Here's doctor Rogers's explanation for why Aaron did what she

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Speaker 2: All of this conduct, the factory resets, the handing over

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Speaker 2: the police investigation of this matter. It was all done

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Speaker 2: the only reasonable explanation for engaging in all of this

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Speaker 1: After doctor Rogers finished her four calculated deceptions, she moved

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Speaker 4: Doctor Rogers said that she anticipated the defense would argue

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Speaker 2: The suggestion now that these mushrooms may have been accidentally foraged,

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Speaker 2: You might think that at some point it dawned on

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Speaker 2: her that the Asian grocery story didn't add up, particularly

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Speaker 1: Doctor Rodgers then moved onto motive. She said the evidence

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Speaker 2: Motive is not an element of the crime of murder

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Speaker 2: beyond reasonable doubt that makes sense. People do different things

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Speaker 2: At other times, the internal motivations are only known by

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Speaker 1: While doctor Rodgers said the prosecution didn't need to prove motive,

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Speaker 1: between Aaron Simon and Donn and Gale she told the

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Speaker 1: trial that showed that they loved each other. Doctor Rogers

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Speaker 1: Aaron and her parents in law was not always a

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Speaker 2: Don and Gail were dragged unwillingly into the conflict between

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Speaker 4: Doctor Rogers said that the evidence showed that the divide

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Speaker 4: ever She said that Aaron expressed her true feelings to

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Speaker 2: The point of this evidence is that it shows we

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Speaker 1: Then doctor Rodgers asked the fourteen jurors to personally think

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Speaker 2: If you were told that the meal you had cooked

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Speaker 2: even though the truth might help those you claim to love. No,

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Speaker 2: that's not what you do. You would do everything you

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Speaker 2: The treating medical practitioners every scheric of information that might

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Speaker 4: Doctor Rogers said that Aaron panicked not because she realized

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Speaker 1: Doctor Rogers first took the jury through the lies Erin

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Speaker 4: But then doctor Rogers turned to the lies Erin hasn't admitted.

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Speaker 2: The prosecution says that you cannot accept the accused as

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Speaker 1: Doctor Rogers told the jury to think of the case

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Speaker 4: Doctor Rogers then revealed to the jury that there was

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Speaker 2: The deception she has tried to play on you the

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Speaker 4: As she neared the end of her closing address, doctor

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Speaker 1: Aaron's barrister, Colin Mandy, then began his closing address.

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Speaker 4: He started by telling the jurors there were two simple

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Speaker 4: He then met a criticism of the approach taken by

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Speaker 3: Their approach is this working from the assumption that Aaron

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Speaker 3: Patterson is guilty of these crimes, pick and choose the

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Speaker 1: Mister Mandy then went on to tell the jury what

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Speaker 1: He said, since the four guests were good, innocent people,

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Speaker 4: Mister Mandy then moved on to motive, or more specifically,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely no doubt that Erin was devoted to her children.

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Speaker 3: Why would she take wonderful, active, loving grandparents away from

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Speaker 3: Her body image wasn't great, it hadn't been for a

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Speaker 1: Mister Mandy then took the jury to the dehydrator. He said,

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Speaker 4: Mister Mandy told the jury that an intelligent person carefully

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Speaker 4: Aaron pushed ahead with her lunch regardless. He admitted she

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Speaker 3: She drives to the tip in her own car, pays

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Speaker 1: Mister Mandy then moved on to the leftovers of the meal.

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Speaker 1: He refuted the prosecution's claim that Aaron had been forced

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Speaker 3: She must have been confident that there was no poison

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Speaker 4: He said she didn't have to do this. He reminded

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Speaker 3: She didn't have to answer any questions. She could have

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Speaker 1: So, Laura, it looks like the jury won't retire to

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Speaker 4: So we have a few more days left to go.

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Speaker 1: We sure do. To stay updated on this case, go

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Speaker 1: to the mushroomcook dot com dot au