WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 14 January 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:00.480 Lately. 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:04.800 Welcome to the Late Base. 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:08.559 Well, good evening and thanks for joining us. 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.520 I'm James Macpherson with Liz stra and Caleb Bond. Coming 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:15.400 up tonight. Californian Governor Gavin Newsom. You would have seen 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:18.480 him on television. He's been the face of the LA fires. 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:21.119 But have you noticed these kind of weird We're going 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:23.360 to show you some video footage later. I don't know 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:25.920 what is going on with his behavior. Maybe you can 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:28.520 tell us. We'll show you shortly. Plus, when we look 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:33.320 at the papers reports that deradicalization programs designed to change 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:37.400 the behavior of high risk individuals authorities fear may commit 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:41.840 terrorist attacks, well, these deradicalization programs aren't working. In fact, 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:46.279 there's evidence to suggest they're making people worse. Plus an 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.880 incredible story on the front page of Tomorrow's Australian, Anthony 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.880 Albanezi says he has invited Donald Trump to come to Australia. 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:55.640 It's just that he hasn't heard back from Donald Trump yet. 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:59.319 I can't imagine why. Let's get into the news. There's 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:01.960 quite a bit to get through. It's just twelve days 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:05.280 to go until Australia Day and I think Calebin lives. 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:08.039 For the first time in a long time, there's genuine 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:11.759 excitement about this year's Australia Day. The IPA put out 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:14.520 a survey just the other day saying sixty nine percent 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.840 of Australians are very happy that we celebrate our day 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:19.000 on January twenty six. 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.560 That's up six percent on last year. 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:25.000 Peter Dutton, sensing the momentum, has said that if elected, 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:29.399 he will compel councils to hold citizenship ceremonies on January 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:33.800 twenty six. And of course Woolworth's famously backflipped, not acknowledging 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:36.959 Australia Day last year, but this year promising to sell 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:41.600 Australian merchandise after a boycott really roped them in twenty 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:42.440 twenty four. 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.600 So there's genuine excitement. 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:48.000 But I'll tell you who's not excited about Australia Day, 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:51.640 and that's the Australia Day Council of South Australia, which 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.080 is kind of odd since they're the ones charged with 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:56.440 organizing the thing. But have a look at what they've 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.680 organized and what they're promoting for our national day of 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:03.600 selling abration. They're advertising for January twenty six, to begin 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:04.000 with a. 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.280 Quote Morning of Morning. 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:10.600 A smoking ceremony at seven thirty am on January the 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:14.240 twenty sixth, at which we can all express sorrow that 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:16.240 Australia has ever founded. 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:18.480 Now, this event, which doesn't. 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:21.160 Exactly get our national Day off on a good vibe, 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.720 is sponsored by the South Australian State Government. It's sponsored 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:28.680 by the Adelaide City Council, and of course it's organized 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:32.200 by the Australia Day Council of South Australia. They are 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:36.440 established in nineteen eighty one to promote pride and to 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:41.080 promote enthusiasm around Australian identity and culture. I'm not sure 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:45.760 how a Morning of Sorrow promotes pride in Australia on 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.760 our national Day now, CALEBN is. I get that there 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.120 are things that happened during colonization that we all wish 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.200 did not happen. But we've got Sorry Day, We've got 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:58.480 Reconciliation Week, We've got Nadock Week, We've got half a 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.800 dozen other days we lament that things weren't done as 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.560 well as we wish they had been done. Could we 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:07.519 not just have our National Day of Celebration as a 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:10.200 day of celebration, just one day where we celebrate the 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.160 fact that our country is a miracle. In two hundred 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.680 years we've built one of the greatest countries in the world. 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:21.160 That we not just celebrate that, Caleb without starting. 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:21.920 With the morning of morning. 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:23.920 And this is the thing, right, I mean, there is 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:27.079 no reason that you know, amongst all the other celebrations 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.800 and events that are done on Australia Day, that you 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:33.160 couldn't have a smoking ceremony somewhere to say, okay, well 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:35.160 this is what Australia was once like and this is 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.600 what Australia is now like. They have to say it's 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:41.360 a morning of morning because of course you mourn what 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:45.240 was there previously, as though the thing that replaced it 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:46.320 is a bad thing. 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.120 That is the point. And how can you. 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:53.120 Possibly be the Australia Day Council and then take the 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:57.119 day that you are charged with celebrating and saying well 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:59.200 now we need to crap all over it and say, well, 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:03.640 actually Australia is bad because colonization happened. We must mourn 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:05.040 what has happened previously. 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:08.800 It's just this bair, I know, what is the themselves? 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:10.040 What is the more point? 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.840 What is the point and the state government getting involved 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.840 the local council at Alecity Council getting involved. 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.159 Say Power Networks now. 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.240 That's they own all the polls and wires and whatever 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:25.680 in South Australia was previously publicly owned. It was privatized 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.400 in the nineties. It's owned by the Chinese. So even 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:32.040 China now is telling us and that's that's not a joke. 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.080 I'm not you know, I am making a joke, Obin, 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:36.880 but it's not a joke that Chinese own companies would 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.440 get involved in telling us that we should be in 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.560 Australia Day, right, I mean this is foreign interference in 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:44.840 this as well, telling us that we should not. 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.080 Be proud of our national day. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.480 The Australia Day Council of South Australia should hang its 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.800 head in chame is bored, should hang their heads in 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.880 shame that they are taking the day they are supposed 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.279 to celebrate and turning it into something else. 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:02.800 Patre of the Australia Council is the Governor of South Australia, 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:04.719 so this comes from the top. 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.880 Although they play it both ways, there's no doubt the 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:13.440 Governor of South Australia will be tending attending Australia Day 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:17.160 festivities absolutely so, It's like, I just want to play 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:18.960 to both sides, because at the end of the day, 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:21.720 this is mainly not about my convictions. 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:25.839 I don't really have any. I have more to spare 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:26.520 for all of them. 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.520 But a lot of these people they don't have convictions. 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.720 They simply want to play to both sides of the 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:35.560 fence so they're not losing out votes on either side 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.440 of the debate. But firstly, having this at seven thirty 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.280 in the morning, now that's just done Australia. I mean, 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:43.800 unless this is ANZAC Day and we're all getting up 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:47.200 for a dawn service, you are taking the mick. 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.200 This is Australia. We don't get up at. 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:53.240 Seven point thirty on public holidays. Kind of spoils the 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:57.760 whole purpose of the event. Although I imagine this will be 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:02.279 on the Sunday, and yes it is, but seriously, I 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:05.000 am curious to see how many people will actually rock 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.679 up at this because as we know, the tide is turning. 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:12.000 This kind of stuff isn't popular anymore. This was shared 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:17.320 by Sports South Australia a week ago. It has three likes. 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:21.839 Three likes in an entire week. Something tells me it 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:25.560 doesn't quite have the gravitas. People aren't really pulled toward 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:29.920 this kind of thing any more because everyone can sense 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.960 the change in the air. They're sick of being browbeaten. 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.440 It didn't work in the first place. I would love 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:39.160 to know, and there's no way to actually know that. 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:44.440 This was never really a controversial day whatsoever. It was 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:48.680 always a tiny minority getting on their soapbox trying to 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:50.800 browbeat the rest of us. It didn't work with the 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.960 Voice referendum. It never worked with Australia Day. 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:55.800 Who moved it. Nobody moved it. 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.839 Few councils were like, Okay, we just won't celebrate it 0:06:58.880 --> 0:06:59.960 on that day anymore. 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:00.440 Etc. 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:05.560 And so on, the usual virtue signaling. But Australians everyday people, 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.760 we're never on board with this nonsense. We never were, 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.280 we never will be. Long live Australia Day. 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:11.480 Well. 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.080 Speaking of councils, of course, Peter Dutton, as I said, 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:17.480 has promised that if elected, he will compel local governments 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:19.120 to hold citizenship ceremonies. 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.680 On January twenty six, the. 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.200 President of the Australian Local Government Association, Matt Burnett, he's 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.080 the mayor of Gladstone in Queensland. 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.720 He said look, if we're forced to do it, we will. 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:34.080 There's eighty one councils that are so far running citizenship 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.320 ceremonies on days other than our national Day. 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.280 But have listened to what he told media about. 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.840 Reasons why you know some councils don't want to run 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:46.400 things on the twenty six, He says, as the closest 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:48.600 level of government to our communities and the most trusted, 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.680 it's important we reflect and respond to the needs of 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:52.640 our local areas. 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.760 Yes, local councils are very trusted. But here's the bit 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:56.400 I wanted to get to. 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.920 He said, there are a range of reasons why some 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:02.320 councils did not hold events on January twenty six, including 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:06.240 extreme heat, staff numbers and costs. 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:08.160 Now, mister Burnett's own. 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:11.280 Council, they held a citizenship ceremony last year, not on 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.040 January twenty sixth Oh it's too hot, so they. 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:15.800 Ran on January twenty. 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:21.840 Fifth, because everybody knows cooler on the twenty If only 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.760 I knew, I could get on the phone to the bomb. 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:26.760 They don't like being called the bomb anymore by they 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.320 are row, but they'd a bomb right. 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:31.640 They send out a media release member a few years ago, 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:33.959 say you can't call us the bumping, but I get 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.200 on the bomb and say, look, I just want you 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.319 to make sure that January twenty five is nos cool 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.640 and January twenty six is blistering hot, so I can't 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:46.160 have any event. I mean they when he said that, 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.560 did he think that it was a joke. Did he 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:51.920 know that it was a joke, or was it an 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:53.200 unintentional joke. 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:54.600 I mean, if he really thought. 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:55.960 He'd be able to get away, it was like, oh, 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.200 it's too hot on January twenty six. 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:03.040 These reports say that even demanding compensation if they're forced 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.400 to work on that date, like it's not your job. 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.720 You are paid to be a city councilor quite handsomely, 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:14.040 I'm my dad, I was a city councilor myself. People 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:19.960 love to be sworn into citizenship on our special day. 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.000 These people, it used to make my Australia Day. 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:26.080 You'd rock up, they'd have their ceremony, They've all got 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.520 their little flags, they're all taking their pictures with the 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:33.760 mayor and us, of course, because they want everyone to know, yes, 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:37.160 we just swore allegiance to this country. For many of them, 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:40.920 this is the culmination of years of hard work long 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:44.200 since they left their country of origin. This is a 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:48.200 massive accomplishment and Australia Day of all days. 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:49.640 They've got the golden ticket. 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:50.720 Then they walk out. 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:54.720 We had rides, we had snags galore, they've got the 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:58.960 fireworks that evening to celebrate with absolutely everyone. It is 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:03.199 a huge vibe and many of us who were born 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:08.400 here would never understand how exciting and how monumentous that 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.520 is in their lives. It is like being in a 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:16.840 crowded room of beaming smiles, proud at people. And I 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.680 love that Dutton Israel and stating this because there isn't 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.600 a single person saying the pledge that day. 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.200 That is sorry, it's exactly and it needs to be 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.000 pointed out as well that January twenty sixth, nineteen forty 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:32.080 eight was the day that legislation passed that made us 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:36.320 no longer British subjects but Australian citizens. So why would 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.760 you not keep the day that Australian citizenship became a 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.360 thing as a day to have citizenship ceremonies. 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.320 Indeed, all right, we're going to go to some breaking 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.720 news because the Times of Israel have just reported that 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:52.360 Harmas have accepted a deal to release hostages. We're still 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:55.640 getting details about what exactly the deal entails. It's got 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.960 to go to the Israeli cabinet for approval. But the 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.320 Times of Israel are reporting that Hamas have accepted a 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:05.679 deal to release the hostages, and as I said, the 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:09.040 Israeli cabinet will need to agree to that. But that's 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:12.360 very good news, Caleb, and I must say, probably a 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.600 little unexpected owing to the fact that Trump hasn't yet 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:17.360 taken office, that this is happening. 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.680 Under Biden's watch. We've still to get more details. 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.680 Exactly how many hostages, We're not aware at this stage, 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:24.640 but good news. 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:26.880 Well, it's happening under Biden's watch. 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:30.000 Of course, Trump will be inaugurated in just a few days, 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:32.480 and I suspect that is one of the main drivers 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:34.040 behind this deal, because Trump is. 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:34.800 Say they'll be healthy. 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:36.280 He has been very clear. 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.600 On what he will do if there are no hostages 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:42.240 returned by the time he becomes president. So they were 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.199 between a rock and a hard place. If they didn't 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.760 make a decision. Now, all hell, as he said, would 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.360 break loose in the Middle East. And Hamas well knows 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:52.679 that they've been able to get away with it up 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.240 to this point because Israel has a lot more might 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:56.960 than it has actually. 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:57.640 Used in this war. 0:11:57.679 --> 0:11:59.440 I mean, it could go in and just carpet on 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.720 the joint wanted to, but it's resisted doing that. But 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.160 if you've got the US involved as well, and you 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.920 turn it into a broader fight within the Middle East, 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.400 a muss will just disappear in the midst of all 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.960 of that, and that is the last thing they want. 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.920 So there arem has finally been twisted to come through 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.160 with what we hope will be a good deal when 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:19.480 we finally see the details. 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:23.679 Liz surprised or expected this owing to the fact I 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:24.000 did it. 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:25.280 Trump would put the pressure on. 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:30.320 Yeah, nobody thinks that Trump is joking. When that man 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.640 stands behind a podium and says there will be hell 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:37.320 to pay, they know he means business. They've been able 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.960 to run a mark because they had a very very 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:43.640 weak administration in the Biden administration. We know that they 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:48.760 gave billions of dollars to Iran during their tenure as well, 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:52.720 So these guys have been it's actually been extremely hard 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:56.600 to figure out where they actually stand on anything. Trump 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.560 never leaves people guessing he has told them this is 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:03.800 exactly what you're going to get the day January twentieth dawns. 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.880 So they had to do this, like you say, Caleb, 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:08.080 their arms were twisted. 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:11.760 It was basically this or be wiped off the face. 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:12.079 Of the earth. 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.480 Yes, and it'll be interestingly your choice. 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:16.400 It'll be interesting to see what the terms of this 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.280 deal are though, because, of course the suggestion has been 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:21.400 that perhaps there will be a return of hostages in 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:25.760 exchange for prisoners, Palestinian prisoners who are kept in Israel, 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:27.440 and a lot of those prisoners who are kept in 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.760 Israel is because they are terrorists or suspected terrorists as well, 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:31.520 so it's. 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.000 Not necessarily. 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.560 We'll see how all of that plays out. Now, let's 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:41.000 talk about something that I find an affront to what 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.600 it means to be an Australian or to be a 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.440 britain and that is the right to go into the 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:51.160 front bar of the pub and thrash out the issues 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:52.880 of the day. I mean, if you can't do it 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.560 in the front bar of the pub, where can you 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:59.079 do it. This is the place where for centuries men 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.680 and of course since the sixties and seventies onwards, women 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:06.280 have been allowed to go and talk about whatever they want, 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:10.440 get something off their chest, talk about politics, vent about 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.240 their partners, whatever it might be. But it all might 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.640 come to an end very soon because the Starma government, 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:20.320 cirkiar Stam of course, two tierke, free gear Care, all 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.760 the other names they've come up with, they are now 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.840 trying to push through new workplace discrimination laws. Now this 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.360 will basically mean that if you are an employee within 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:34.400 a workplace, it is the job of that employer to 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.960 make sure that you are not offended or discriminated against 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:42.320 in any form, Otherwise that company can be sued. Now, 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:44.600 the definition of this that they're talking about, what they're 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:48.480 talking about harassment being is unwanted conduct that has the 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:52.440 purpose or effect of violating the recipient's dignity or creating 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:59.440 and intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating, or offensive environment. Now that 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:03.240 doesn't neces necessarily mean it comes from another employee. 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:07.240 It can also include customers or clients. 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.760 And so pubs are now saying what does that mean 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:13.960 If someone at that table over there is having a 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.680 discussion about transgenderism, for instance, and they say, well, I 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:21.520 don't believe that men can be women and working in 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:25.680 that pub happens to be a transgender woman who is 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:30.080 a biological man. Will they then say that they were 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:33.720 harassed within the workplace and potentially. 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:34.760 Be sued for doing so. 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.680 The British Beer and Pub Association isn't having a bar 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:37.960 of it. 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:38.520 They say. 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.400 Any legislation must be carefully drafted to make sure it 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:45.800 does not have unintended consequences, such as pub workers expected 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:50.560 to decide with the private conversations between customers constitute. 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:51.760 A violation of law. 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.280 Ladies and gentlemen, this is where we are in twenty 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.760 twenty five. You cannot even go to the pub and 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:03.880 have a conversation about politics without it potentially constituting harassment 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:08.080 of staff that will then land that pub in court. 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.160 We have well and truly jumped the shark here have 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.720 we not? And it should be noted this is not 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.560 just in Britain. I mean in terms of exactly what 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.480 this legislation looks like. But people are being briefed in 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:23.840 Australian workplaces in recent years because the Albanezi government brought 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:27.240 through a whole tranch of new ir laws that included 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:32.440 new definitions of harassment and put a new restrictions upon 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.480 businesses in terms of they have to be proactive now, 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:39.000 so in Australia, a business has to ask staff whether 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.520 or not they're being harassed or lead or discriminated against it. 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:44.880 It's not good enough to simply say we're available for 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:46.320 you to come and talk to me if you feel 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:48.760 like you're being bullied. And this is exactly one of 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.240 the things that people are briefed about is that if 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:55.120 you have a conversation in the workplace that someone else 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.920 who is not party to that conversation finds offensive, that 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.160 may constitute harassment. 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:02.520 I mean it is EASA. 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:06.359 You're essentially trying to pass a law to ensure that 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:10.200 anyone while they're on the clock, regardless of what their 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:15.840 job is, won't overhear something that they find offensive. And 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:19.600 of course what each individual finds offensive is deeply personal. 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:23.320 For me, it's basically nothing. You just can't offan me. 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.320 Why would I expend that kind of mental and emotional 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.639 energy on something some flogg has said other people are 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:34.520 triggered by absolutely everything you may or may not say. 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.760 Does that then extend to you not speaking up when 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.520 I think you should, and therefore I'm offended by something 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.960 that you didn't express in a moment that I feel 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:48.600 that you should have This is completely nuts, like Britain 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.359 doesn't have enough problems, like the Kirstama government doesn't have 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:54.159 enough problems to be focusing on. 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:58.200 They are now mulling over legislation like this. 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:01.520 Is it any wonder that just four months after this 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:06.760 government game to power, two point nine Palms signed a 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:12.960 government petition on the government's own website saying we are begging. 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:16.000 You to call another general election. We are sorry you're 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:16.560 in power. 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:22.080 You are absolutely trashing our country. And this after that 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:25.480 kind of vote of no confidence from the very citizens 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.360 who elected you to represent them. This is the kind 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:32.560 of stuff that they're spending parliamentary time on hashing out, 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.159 being like how can we best legislate this? 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:39.200 I mean, when I was growing up, eavesdropping was considered 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.000 to be impolite. You were taught you don't listen to 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:45.479 other people's conversations, you don't sort of, you know, linger 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:47.320 and sort of try to pick up what other people 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:51.000 are talking about. Now it's actually incentive to stand and 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.520 listen time until you are offended and then have people charged. 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:59.800 And for politicians to create legislation that is so sloppy 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:03.879 and vague. You can't create or have the effect of 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:07.399 creating an offensive environment. I mean, what on earth is 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:11.119 an offensive environment? And as the Publican Association, as you 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:12.040 rightly pointed out. 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:13.320 Not having a bar of it, very good. 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.200 I did notice that that then they'll have to be 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.920 the arbiters on what you can't be said in their pub. 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:20.399 Let me, you can only talk about the. 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:22.480 Weather, and even that is fraught because you might be 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:23.320 a climate denier. 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:26.359 But may I say respectfully because I don't want to 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.800 offend or harass anyone. If you go to the pub, 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:31.960 and mean feel offended by things that are said in 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:32.560 the pub. 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:34.520 You shouldn't be going to the pub. 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.280 I mean, the pub is one of the last places 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:40.480 where you can go and say outrageous things and tell 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:42.920 a few blue jokes and have some fun and let 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.840 off some steam without some blue headed feminist, lunatic, transgender 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:48.760 person whatever it might be, coming. 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:50.320 And yanking you and saying, oh, you can't do that. 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.280 The pub is the only place where you can still 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:58.720 do that stuff. Don't take our simple pleasures away from us, please. 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:03.200 Of course, Caleb Bond would be the one to. 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:06.320 Tell you that staying in the UK now here's stammer 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:11.080 as if his government and the nation forming under it 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:16.200 doesn't sound dystopian enough, he's now leaning into AI. Now, 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:20.240 the UK does have the third largest AI industry, just 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:24.040 after the US and China. Well, he's saying he's going 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:28.359 to harness this using it in his half a million. 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:29.600 Strong civil service. 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:33.880 And the bill that they're looking at includes fifty recommendations 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:38.200