Speaker 1: Apogee Production. I'm Mickey Fisher, and welcome to the Village
Speaker 1: Crazy Lady. People are talking to me and they are
Speaker 1: not physically in this room, so just strap in for that.
Speaker 1: Can't call me crazy, so I said it first. Whoever's
Speaker 1: trying to come through, whatever messages need to come through, like,
Speaker 1: just bring it on. Let's do it, Crazy Crazy Crazy,
Speaker 1: The Village Crazy Lady Podcast. Hello, gorgeous legends, and welcome
Speaker 1: to another episode of the Village Crazy Lady. This week,
Speaker 1: I have another Crazy Lady in the building with me.
Speaker 1: Beautiful Donna Wallace reached out and she said, Hey, I've
Speaker 1: got a story and I've got something that I'd love
Speaker 1: to chat on the podcast about. I'm so passionate about
Speaker 1: what I do. I've got over twenty five experience twenty
Speaker 1: five years experience, sorry, working with people, and you do
Speaker 1: so many amazing things. So you make jewelry that is
Speaker 1: like specifically sort of like full people's souls, I guess,
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to hear so much more about that.
Speaker 1: You work with like family constellations and like really deep healing.
Speaker 1: I think you said to me that the thing for
Speaker 1: you is it's like you want to like almost like
Speaker 1: rip the band aid off and really get the nitty
Speaker 1: gritty of like what's going on? Does that feel right?
Speaker 1: Did I now that exactly right?
Speaker 2: Okay, good, that's exactly right? Thank you. Yes.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm excited to get into it. So tell me
Speaker 1: your story. Tell us how you got into what you're
Speaker 1: doing and how you got to where you are now.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, how many hours do we have? Mickey? Okay,
Speaker 2: So short version is grew up in a family that
Speaker 2: wasn't spiritual but you know, pretty much atheist family, and
Speaker 2: discovered spirituality when I was about fifteen sixteen through someone
Speaker 2: doing reiki for me, and that felt like finally I
Speaker 2: was at home. Like this sense of love and energy
Speaker 2: just took me into something that was so real and
Speaker 2: so natural and normal and yet the first time I've
Speaker 2: ever had ever experienced it. That set me on a
Speaker 2: really interesting trajectory of learning and learning and learning and
Speaker 2: learning and learning more and discovering more about myself. And
Speaker 2: I guess really my personal development journey started than when
Speaker 2: I was a teenager, which is why I've been doing
Speaker 2: and the healing wrote for so many years. And you know,
Speaker 2: I tried to quit it so many times along the
Speaker 2: way Mickey, Oh really stop. Yes, so many times I
Speaker 2: was like, this is stuff I don't want to I
Speaker 2: can swear as much as I want on your own Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, we've got a good little E marked.
Speaker 2: Yeah great, we love the E like this, fuck don't
Speaker 2: want to do this anymore? And like, I've had hit
Speaker 2: points along my life where I just wanted to give
Speaker 2: it all up.
Speaker 1: And what were the things that made you want to
Speaker 1: give up? Was it just like because I mean I've
Speaker 1: been there as well, you saying like I've wanted to
Speaker 1: give up, And I mean, I'm sure so many people
Speaker 1: listening can probably have felt the same with They're just
Speaker 1: like why am I fucking doing this? This is hard?
Speaker 1: Or I'm not making the money that I thought I would,
Speaker 1: or like what were all the imposter syndrome that was
Speaker 1: an absolute crippling for me? What was it that made
Speaker 1: you want to give up?
Speaker 2: Like take your pick out of it all?
Speaker 1: Like all of you, all of those you know?
Speaker 2: That's right? Plus throw in there that I'm playing in
Speaker 2: an industry that a lot of times I don't resonate with. Yes,
Speaker 2: like I'm in the spiritual personal development world that sometimes
Speaker 2: it makes me want to vomit. Yeah, I hear and
Speaker 2: see stuff going on and I'm like, it's so untrue.
Speaker 2: And look at how many follows followers you have and
Speaker 2: how many people listening to you, and that just makes
Speaker 2: me want to vomit. Yes, so yeah, but all of
Speaker 2: those things, and also, like you know, earlier on in
Speaker 2: my in my healing journey, like feeling like I was
Speaker 2: doing so much work but never getting anywhere, Like I'd
Speaker 2: have like a little breakthrough, but then the same thing
Speaker 2: and pop up six months later, and it's like, just
Speaker 2: wanted to flip the bird to personal development because like
Speaker 2: that is so shit right when you're doing all the
Speaker 2: things and not really making a difference, Like it's not
Speaker 2: really getting to the source.
Speaker 1: Of why do you think that is? Like because I'm
Speaker 1: sure there are so many people listening being like that
Speaker 1: is literally me. I've wanted to flip a table that
Speaker 1: many times because I'm like, I thought, I fucking healed this.
Speaker 1: What am I doing it again? Jesus what? I may
Speaker 1: as well give the fuck up and just stop, Like
Speaker 1: what what do you think it is? When it's coming
Speaker 1: up sort of again? Or like how do you move
Speaker 1: through that?
Speaker 2: Mickey? You make me laugh so much flip the table up.
Speaker 2: It's so true, Like you do right, you just want
Speaker 2: to be like this is fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like I want to go back to being
Speaker 1: like unconscious and unaware and like right freedom in that muggle.
Speaker 2: I feel so much easier, Like you could just go
Speaker 2: to a normal job and do your normal thing and all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so much easier. Ignorance is bliss, Yeah, totally. But I
Speaker 2: think that if you're not getting to the source of
Speaker 2: what the problem is, it's not effective. It's not effective
Speaker 2: healing that modality is not effective for you.
Speaker 1: So what was that actually for you? It doesn't work
Speaker 1: getting to the court.
Speaker 2: That journey for me was so many years of trying
Speaker 2: to find the most effective stuff, like trying lots of
Speaker 2: different things, and I really didn't feel like I had
Speaker 2: much of a choice because I needed it, like I
Speaker 2: really needed it. I needed to figure out like all
Speaker 2: the stuff that was going on inside of me, and
Speaker 2: I needed to figure out how to heal myself so
Speaker 2: I could be happy again. Healing is so you know,
Speaker 2: I call is the healing journey, But it's so deep
Speaker 2: and it's so personal, it's so multi faceted because we're
Speaker 2: multifaceted people, but it's often a hidden inner experience of
Speaker 2: what we're going through when we're on that emotional rollercoaster.
Speaker 1: I often say that, like healing to me is less
Speaker 1: of a healing. I guess healing is the word that
Speaker 1: we've kind of been given as a way to describe it.
Speaker 2: Is there a better word I'm still searching on.
Speaker 1: I know. I always feel like it's almost like a
Speaker 1: getting to know, because it is, like it's just sort
Speaker 1: of getting to like and it's like a learning more
Speaker 1: than anything else, Like it's like learning learning yourself, like
Speaker 1: understanding different parts of you. And it's kind of like
Speaker 1: doing it not without shame, because like we can't determine
Speaker 1: that we can do something completely shameless, but kind of
Speaker 1: like coming at it from a degree of like just
Speaker 1: trying to peel away the shame from ourselves, like stop
Speaker 1: shaming ourselves for being ourselves, and just learning to understand
Speaker 1: all of these like beautiful, intricate parts of us and
Speaker 1: instead of seeing it as like a bad thing, it's
Speaker 1: just like a real understanding of it and like a
Speaker 1: love for like why we you know, just a love
Speaker 1: for it all and an understanding and acceptance of it all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really beautiful, Mickey. I feel like you know,
Speaker 2: in the same vein, we're going through a process of
Speaker 2: remembering of like who we actually are. We you're just
Speaker 2: going to render all the shit that's on top of
Speaker 2: us because the end of the day, like you know,
Speaker 2: I talk about like fixing problems, and I know that
Speaker 2: some people don't subscribe to that in my work, but
Speaker 2: I think you actually can heal and properly fix some
Speaker 2: of the stuff that's going on inside of you. And
Speaker 2: when it happens, then like it's revealing the beauty of
Speaker 2: who you are, Like our complete whole magnificence is already
Speaker 2: inside of us. It is remembering who we are, as
Speaker 2: you say, like if we have to get rid of
Speaker 2: a blaze of shame or processing trauma that we've experienced,
Speaker 2: all the different things, but ultimately we're just coming closer
Speaker 2: and closer to the essence of ourselves. And it is
Speaker 2: a remembering process.
Speaker 1: Yes, So tell walk me through what it is that
Speaker 1: you do and like how you got into it. Like
Speaker 1: I've heard of like the family constantly and I'm not
Speaker 1: even ture I'm even pronouncing it like saying it right
Speaker 1: or I'm fucking it up. But I've heard of it,
Speaker 1: but i don't really know much about it, and I'm
Speaker 1: intrigued because is it, like, just explain it to me.
Speaker 1: I'm not even going to try.
Speaker 2: Sure. So family consolation therapy was like the one modality
Speaker 2: that I found that actually got to the core of
Speaker 2: things and fixed like the shit that I was still
Speaker 2: carrying around. And that was super deep healing and such
Speaker 2: a relief at the same time, because I started feeling
Speaker 2: heaps lighter in myself and like this significant permanent change
Speaker 2: and healing. Family consolation therapy is really interesting, Mickey. It works.
Speaker 2: So you know how you and I we have energy fields,
Speaker 2: We have an aura. Our family system also has an
Speaker 2: energy field, and okay, you know when birds fly in
Speaker 2: a V formation, there is a biological phenomenon called a
Speaker 2: morphic field. That morphic field tells the birds how to
Speaker 2: fly in a V formation. So the energetic field around
Speaker 2: the birds is telling them what to do. Yes, right
Speaker 2: in the field of the family system. The energetic field,
Speaker 2: the morphic field of our family systems inform all of
Speaker 2: the individuals about how to behave and what to do.
Speaker 2: So we are born with this biological need to belong
Speaker 2: to our family systems because if we don't, we're not
Speaker 2: going to survive. Right as babies, we have to belong.
Speaker 2: There is this inherent need, whether you like it or not,
Speaker 2: to belong to your birth family. And we have like
Speaker 2: this deep sense and loyalty because we will give They
Speaker 2: gave us the greatest gift of all, which is the
Speaker 2: gift of life. So we have this inherent love and
Speaker 2: loyalty to our parents, even if they've treated us really poorly.
Speaker 2: And then we also overlay that with this biological needs
Speaker 2: belong to our family system. What that means is that
Speaker 2: you you know, when you're trying to do something in
Speaker 2: your life, Mickey, and you're like just don't have the willpower,
Speaker 2: Like I just can't do it. I've tried so much
Speaker 2: and I just can't like overcome this one thing.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: It is often connected to what's going on energetically in
Speaker 2: your family system, because your need to belong to your
Speaker 2: family overrides individual willpower personal willpower.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, my mind is blown right now because I
Speaker 1: had no idea what it was, but it did not
Speaker 1: think I never thought about that, So how like, how
Speaker 1: how does it affect and how can you like as
Speaker 1: an individual, begin to do you need the whole family
Speaker 1: to be like in on it or.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great, it's awesome. Questions. So you don't because we
Speaker 2: work in the energetic field of your family system, you
Speaker 2: don't have to have it. You don't even need to
Speaker 2: talk to any of your family members about it. So
Speaker 2: it's so good, right, idea, I can't even imagine having
Speaker 2: to have those conversations. But we don't work through that
Speaker 2: three level. You don't work through that personality level. You
Speaker 2: work with the highest as of your family members, and
Speaker 2: it means that if they've passed away, you can still
Speaker 2: do the work with them. If it means that they're
Speaker 2: alive and you're not in contact, or you're living on
Speaker 2: the other side of the world, or for whatever reason
Speaker 2: it's not safe to be in contact with them, that's
Speaker 2: not a safe relationship. We still get to do the work.
Speaker 2: It's awesome. So, yeah, we do its energetic work. And
Speaker 2: I kind of tell you how much of a difference, Mickey.
Speaker 2: It makes you be in your body like it's a
Speaker 2: physical experience of what shifts when we do this work.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you a little bit more about it. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: So let's go back to another animal analogy. So you know,
Speaker 2: with a wolf pack, if every wolf is knows what
Speaker 2: their role is and they know where to stand in
Speaker 2: the wolf pack, the wolf pack is really strong and
Speaker 2: really healthy. All of the individuals can thrive when every
Speaker 2: individual wolf knows what they're meant to be doing. It's
Speaker 2: the same in the field of the family system, when
Speaker 2: every individual is standing in the right place. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: constellation part. Yes, like everyone's a star in the field
Speaker 2: of the family system. Yeah, when everyone is standing in
Speaker 2: their rightful places and performing their rightful roles, and everyone
Speaker 2: in the field of the family system is so much stronger,
Speaker 2: so much happier, so much healthier. Also, love and lifeless
Speaker 2: energy flows through the field of our family system. And
Speaker 2: there's a couple of ways where like the hose gets kinked.
Speaker 2: First of all, it's people are in the wrong positions
Speaker 2: and they're performing the wrong roles. Like say, I'm a daughter,
Speaker 2: but I'm acting like a mother to my mother. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's called parentification. Yes, So when we're performing the wrong roles,
Speaker 2: it kinks the flow of loveless energy. We're sounding in
Speaker 2: the wrong positions that lifeless energy can't flow. Also, when
Speaker 2: there's been trauma that's been experienced by any members of
Speaker 2: our family and it hasn't been processed, it is like
Speaker 2: having an octopus over that person's face. All it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter where they look, all they can see is the
Speaker 2: octopus is the trauma. So, you know, when I'm sure
Speaker 2: we've all seen this, like when a parent has experienced
Speaker 2: some sort of trauma in their life and they just
Speaker 2: can't be present to their children, like they are just
Speaker 2: kind of consumed and taken over by the things that
Speaker 2: they've experienced and haven't been able to resolve yet. So
Speaker 2: unprocessed trauma sits there like a big boulder in the
Speaker 2: field of the family system. It prevents the flow of
Speaker 2: love and lifeless energy moving through. And so when we
Speaker 2: heal all that unprocessed trauma and we put everyone into
Speaker 2: the positions and people performing their rightful roles, you get
Speaker 2: this beautiful like experience of heaps of support coming into
Speaker 2: the back of your body and you feel really strong
Speaker 2: and you feel really light because you've released all the
Speaker 2: shit that you've been carrying from other people. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: is that whole repeating pattern thing. You know. Some people
Speaker 2: call it like ancestral healing. Or like epigenetics and all
Speaker 2: of that stuff. But this is a whole nother take
Speaker 2: on that, which is it is much easier for us
Speaker 2: to you know, when you're skiing and doing like cross
Speaker 2: country skiing, and it's so much easier to go in
Speaker 2: the well worn tracks of other people. It's the same
Speaker 2: in the field of our family. It's much easier for
Speaker 2: us to repeat the same patterns, to do the same
Speaker 2: sorts of things as what the norm of our family
Speaker 2: system is. So when you know our when it comes
Speaker 2: to our generation, mickey, like, we are wanting to create
Speaker 2: all sorts of amazing things that haven't that hasn't had
Speaker 2: and historically in our family, like we want to be
Speaker 2: much happier than anyone else was. We want to do
Speaker 2: what is really fulfilling and you know perhaps our past
Speaker 2: generations didn't have that. We want to experience true love.
Speaker 2: We want to be you know, conscious parents. We want
Speaker 2: to I don't know, make a ton of money. Like
Speaker 2: whatever the things are that you want to create. It's
Speaker 2: sort of like you either have the feeling of like
Speaker 2: being held back, like unseen hands holding you back you
Speaker 2: can't quite create the things that you want, or with
Speaker 2: the shift of like doing this kind of work, it
Speaker 2: feels like you get to create like the most beautiful
Speaker 2: life with the support of your family and doing it
Speaker 2: in honor of them.
Speaker 1: So I've had so many like listening to you, I've
Speaker 1: had so many like like almost duh moments, you know,
Speaker 1: where like everything that you were talking about, like just
Speaker 1: even on just a physical level, which I guess is
Speaker 1: also you know, like an energetic level as well. So
Speaker 1: much of our shit now as adults comes from us
Speaker 1: when we were children and our family, our family, sisters,
Speaker 1: whether it's mum, well and all of the above, mom, dad, dad, mom, brother, sister, whoever, whoever, grandparents,
Speaker 1: because you're right, like they are like when we're younger,
Speaker 1: they are our world. They are everything. We're learning everything
Speaker 1: about ourselves from them. We're learning everything about relationships from them.
Speaker 1: We're learning everything about how we treat people, how we behave,
Speaker 1: how we respond to situations, how we feel safe. We're
Speaker 1: creating our safety based on how we feel. And so
Speaker 1: like I guess, like it makes so much sense now
Speaker 1: when you think about it and like to consider healing
Speaker 1: just the energetic relationships without having because a lot of
Speaker 1: us are going like you know, well, I'm in therapy
Speaker 1: and I'm talking, and which is also a beautiful important
Speaker 1: thing as well and can be so so good, like
Speaker 1: good and important. But like for me, for example, I'm
Speaker 1: listening to this and like I've been through a lot
Speaker 1: of those everything like issues with family, and there's so
Speaker 1: much that I can't have conversations with certain people or
Speaker 1: it's unsafe for me or whatever. But to add like
Speaker 1: the element to be able to heal the family shit
Speaker 1: without having to fucking sit down and like do it,
Speaker 1: Like that's really interesting to me. But it also makes
Speaker 1: so much sense because it would be so much more
Speaker 1: freeing for me and be able to like heal so
Speaker 1: much within myself because of course, like so much of
Speaker 1: me is relevant to them exactly.
Speaker 2: And then when you start talking about it, it is
Speaker 2: like having those dorm moments, like you said, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: how did I never think about it? Just so all
Speaker 2: the things that are hidden in plain sight. It's it
Speaker 2: just sort of is like, well, no, no, we don't think
Speaker 2: about it in that way, but when we start talking
Speaker 2: about it just feels so bright and so true. That's
Speaker 2: what happened to me anyway.
Speaker 1: Is it on? Like even when we talk about sort
Speaker 1: of like I don't know, like our spaces in the family,
Speaker 1: and like our roles now all of those sorts of things.
Speaker 1: Are we talking like soul level? Are we talking like
Speaker 1: this is what we've come down to do and our
Speaker 1: roles to play and the lessons to learn? Like is
Speaker 1: there a lot of karmic stuff sort of within it?
Speaker 2: Okay, So the roles are more like you know how
Speaker 2: I said before, like as a daughter, I shouldn't be
Speaker 2: parenting my mother. As a daughter, I should be playing
Speaker 2: a daughter role and I should be in a receiving question.
Speaker 2: And then as a mother for my children, I meant
Speaker 2: to be in a giving position. So that's what I
Speaker 2: mean by playing the rightful roles. The whole soul karmic
Speaker 2: thing is really a whole other interesting conversation, which can
Speaker 2: we could like go off hold a huge rabbit hole about.
Speaker 2: I think that we have agreements with our you know,
Speaker 2: on that soule level to come in and to come
Speaker 2: into particular families that give us exactly what we need
Speaker 2: on the soule level, and it can be challenging as far. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, and sometimes it's the stuff that we experience
Speaker 2: with our families that are so deeply challenging, Mickey, become
Speaker 2: our greatest gifts. And I really truly believe that like
Speaker 2: our greatest challenges are also our greatest gifts. We just
Speaker 2: need to figure out how to get them from a
Speaker 2: challenge to a gift.
Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent. I think that all the time.
Speaker 1: I think you know anyone who's probably experienced anything like
Speaker 1: even once you've gotten to a stage of like acceptance
Speaker 1: and realization, for the fact that like it's given you
Speaker 1: the capacity to think. I think when you experience things,
Speaker 1: it gives you a deeper capacity for compassion and understanding
Speaker 1: of others, because it's really hard to understand what someone
Speaker 1: else has experienced and gone through when you literally can't
Speaker 1: understand it. And I think that is a beautiful gift
Speaker 1: to be able to give people.
Speaker 2: So interestingly they're Our relationship with our family members can
Speaker 2: set this baseline or blueprint for how much love we
Speaker 2: experience in our lives. So if you think about the
Speaker 2: life loos, synergy and the love that you're getting from
Speaker 2: your parents, you meant to be getting lots of love
Speaker 2: from your mum behind you on your left and your
Speaker 2: dad behind you on your right. That is like how
Speaker 2: we experience the world as well. So if there is
Speaker 2: like this is really interesting. So for instance, some people
Speaker 2: have like a burst of love that they experience from
Speaker 2: their mother and then nothing, and then that experience creates
Speaker 2: a feast or famine kind of energy, and then that
Speaker 2: translates into other things like how you experience money in
Speaker 2: your life, Like maybe then you get like bulk amounts
Speaker 2: of money and then there's nothing for ages. And so
Speaker 2: our relationships with our family can create particular dynamics in
Speaker 2: our lives like that stop go feast or famine energy
Speaker 2: or it's like that you only ever get just enough
Speaker 2: to get by. Yeah, you know there are things like
Speaker 2: that that come up and that get healed in family
Speaker 2: constellation therapy because it's just so intertwined. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: we're meant to receive love and lifeless energy from source
Speaker 2: from the divine and from Earth, and then we're also
Speaker 2: meant to receive it from our family assistance. And if
Speaker 2: you're not getting it from if there's not that free
Speaker 2: flow of love and support coming through from mum and
Speaker 2: dad and everyone else, like you've kind of got like
Speaker 2: one lead cut off.
Speaker 1: Yes, that makes so much sense. I mean I always
Speaker 1: even think about how like the role of a parent
Speaker 1: and a child to me reminds me of like say
Speaker 1: spirit team to me, And I remember having that moment
Speaker 1: I think I've spoken about this on the podcast one
Speaker 1: time where I was like telling one of my children, like,
Speaker 1: don't touch that that's hot, and they going why and
Speaker 1: I'm like, just trust me, like I've just I've been
Speaker 1: on earth longer than you. I can.
Speaker 2: I just know.
Speaker 1: And then my guide, like my spirit team, was just like, ah,
Speaker 1: interesting perspective that you have there, that you have seen
Speaker 1: more and you can see more and you're just trying
Speaker 1: to guide, You're not trying to like and I just
Speaker 1: in that moment, I was like, that's so interesting because
Speaker 1: I even look at my children, like my children now
Speaker 1: I haven't say like if they really want something, to
Speaker 1: say it out loud and let us know, because mommy
Speaker 1: and Daddy might we can't maybe make it happen. But
Speaker 1: because we know about it, we can help you. We
Speaker 1: can guide you as much as we can, and we're
Speaker 1: going to do whatever we can to empower you with
Speaker 1: that goal or whatever it is. And there's so many
Speaker 1: moments that I see that the relationship from spirit to
Speaker 1: us is really similar that very much the same as
Speaker 1: parent to child.
Speaker 2: Yes, and also like you know, with our relationship to
Speaker 2: the divine is also like connected to our relationship to
Speaker 2: our parents for instance. So you know I said that
Speaker 2: relationship is like a baseline, a set point. You know,
Speaker 2: how much love we can receive from our family is
Speaker 2: also very similar to how much love we can receive
Speaker 2: from source or you know, your spirit guides. And so
Speaker 2: how we feel about ourselves is really affected by our
Speaker 2: relationship with our parents and how much love, like are
Speaker 2: we freely receiving from them, Because when we don't freely
Speaker 2: receive heaps of love from our parents, unconditional love, it
Speaker 2: makes us feel like there's something wrong about ourselves. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so this self esteem thing really like forbades the
Speaker 2: whole rest of our life. But it also makes a
Speaker 2: big difference in how we can receive how can we
Speaker 2: receive love, and how can we receive light and how
Speaker 2: can we receive support from our spirit team. Yes, so
Speaker 2: it is when we get into this space of opening
Speaker 2: up love and life wor synergy within you, we're also
Speaker 2: opening up your ability to receive We're also we're on
Speaker 2: your self esteem and how you feel about yourself like
Speaker 2: it's just so deep. And the cool thing is that,
Speaker 2: like we do a constellation session family constellation session, and
Speaker 2: you get these immediate like lightness or strength or feeling
Speaker 2: uplifted or whatever you get, and then it takes six
Speaker 2: months for the session to fully integrate. So and we
Speaker 2: do like layer that with session upon session upon session.
Speaker 2: You get this beautiful cumulative effect over time where things
Speaker 2: just kept getting better and better. It's gorgeous. That's so.
Speaker 1: There's so many things that you just like that you
Speaker 1: were saying then that I hadn't real like aha moments
Speaker 1: about There was one I watched this video one time,
Speaker 1: I don't know on TikTok, and I wish I could
Speaker 1: remember the creator. But she was this young woman who
Speaker 1: was saying that she was someone who was like for
Speaker 1: better like lack of a better term, gentle parented like
Speaker 1: her parents. She said, I just had wonderful parent They
Speaker 1: never made me feel like I was a bother. I
Speaker 1: always felt so hurt. They just they worked really hard
Speaker 1: on like being really good parents. And she said the
Speaker 1: voice in my head was my parent's voice. And she said,
Speaker 1: you know how people talk about like the self esteem
Speaker 1: voice the voice that sits there and goes, You're not
Speaker 1: good enough, you could never do that, or like, you know,
Speaker 1: you've got to try. You know that voice, the voice
Speaker 1: that just sits there and cock blocks us from life
Speaker 1: and tells us how shit we are at everything. She's like,
Speaker 1: I realized, I just my voice, the internal voice was
Speaker 1: so different to my friend. And she goes, because the
Speaker 1: voice in my head are my parents' voices telling me
Speaker 1: everything that I'm great at, how I'm capable of doing
Speaker 1: anything that I want. And there were just so many
Speaker 1: things that I went that is so beautiful. The concept
Speaker 1: that she said, like that voice in her head was
Speaker 1: actually her parents, and it just made me really think about,
Speaker 1: you know, how I'm parenting my own child like children,
Speaker 1: and even when you're talking about receiving before and like
Speaker 1: how we receive like how we receive love, how we
Speaker 1: receive from spirit, and like it is really like I
Speaker 1: even thought about, you know, if you're used to needing
Speaker 1: to do something to get love, or like if I
Speaker 1: want love, I need to be really really successful. Like
Speaker 1: this was something that even just came up last week
Speaker 1: and a healing for me. And I just have this
Speaker 1: like obsession like I'm like, I'm never I'm never there,
Speaker 1: I'm never successful, I've never reached that goal and I'm
Speaker 1: and my heeler was just like, well, how did you
Speaker 1: receive it as a child, Like what did you need
Speaker 1: to do? And I'm like, well, I was an overach
Speaker 1: like if I performed, if I did well, if I
Speaker 1: did well at school, if I was the best at things,
Speaker 1: and then I would receive the accolades and I would
Speaker 1: receive the well done. And she's like, well, there you go,
Speaker 1: you know, Like, so there's so many it just it
Speaker 1: really does make so much sense that so much of
Speaker 1: us now and it's so interesting how it comes out anyways,
Speaker 1: and you might sit there like even me, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I've healed so many things and like but it's almost
Speaker 1: like the more that you have, the more that you haven't.
Speaker 1: It's like the more that you know, the more you
Speaker 1: realize you don't don't know, oh.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, I've been doing this, but like the
Speaker 2: same you know, as you like decades, and I realize
Speaker 2: I know nothing.
Speaker 1: I know nothing, which is a beautiful humbling thing.
Speaker 2: Yes it is, it is. But also yeah, like a
Speaker 2: lot of people that come to me have done so
Speaker 2: many different types of healing and different modalities, like I
Speaker 2: hadn't like I just want it fixed, Like yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Shit, And does that what it is? That what it
Speaker 1: feels like for you? Do you feel like, like what
Speaker 1: does fixed feel like?
Speaker 2: Fixed feels like it doesn't bother you anymore, Like you
Speaker 2: don't have an emotional charge to something connected to your
Speaker 2: parents or your birth family, or just the things that
Speaker 2: have been holding you back just gone like they're not
Speaker 2: there anymore. You don't think about it anymore, or like
Speaker 2: you may have felt unsafe in the world and it's
Speaker 2: just sort of disappeared because it's there, you know, Like
Speaker 2: it's the things that have been bothering you. Go from
Speaker 2: having a negative charge to a mutual charge, and then
Speaker 2: you can move into a positive charge as well. That
Speaker 2: sounds very I think cliche, doesn't it. But you can
Speaker 2: move through these things so you can get like the
Speaker 2: benefit and all of the goodness that your family can
Speaker 2: offer you, and then you can just leave the rest behind.
Speaker 1: I love that so much. Some guy I'm interested to
Speaker 1: know is like, because I'm sure there are people listening
Speaker 1: to this who maybe they're maybe they're adopted, maybe they
Speaker 1: have adopted maybe their family was created in not going
Speaker 1: to say unconventional ways, just different ways, because families can
Speaker 1: be created in so many beautiful, amazing in any ways.
Speaker 1: So like, what how does that work?
Speaker 2: We do the work with your biological parents first to
Speaker 2: begin with, but then the other parents get to have
Speaker 2: a place too, So say if you've got two mums
Speaker 2: or you can save with a sperm downer, like we
Speaker 2: bring in the biological parents, but then you get to
Speaker 2: have like everyone there and the closest from a family
Speaker 2: consolation perspective, the major influences, like the most significant influences
Speaker 2: are through the biological parents. Yeah, but then like everyone
Speaker 2: gets a place in the family.
Speaker 1: So it's like the family just is bigger. It's just
Speaker 1: like you're working with like everyone, which I think is
Speaker 1: so beautiful.
Speaker 2: I think it gets to be inclusive, you know. And
Speaker 2: this reminds me of something as well, like sometimes in
Speaker 2: people's patterns, of people's family systems, they have people dying
Speaker 2: at a young age, and so like it could be
Speaker 2: from cancer, it could be you know, suicide or like
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes I get it like men in families
Speaker 2: dying at a young age or like suicide tendencies. And
Speaker 2: then you can see even with my clients sometimes at
Speaker 2: particular ages when other family members have died at that age,
Speaker 2: I have suicide idealization or like there's a feeling, a
Speaker 2: dynamic of moving towards death, and it's really fascinating. So
Speaker 2: we also work on like making sure that anyone who's
Speaker 2: died or died at a young age particularly has a
Speaker 2: place in the family system that they belong and they're
Speaker 2: a part of this they're not missing in a family anymore.
Speaker 2: And that's really super duper healing for people who like
Speaker 2: lost a brother or in a car accident at a
Speaker 2: young age, or you know, have suicided or really beautiful
Speaker 2: because you know, then when we do that family consolation therapy,
Speaker 2: it like opens up connection with them as a spirit too,
Speaker 2: Like it's then we go into that place which is
Speaker 2: really super cool. Like I have a couple of people
Speaker 2: who have like their husbands or spouses have died, and
Speaker 2: you know, it's a huge obviously has a huge impact
Speaker 2: on people's lives and they get to still be a
Speaker 2: part of the family. And when we do that healing,
Speaker 2: it's just so loving. Everyone feels like everything's right in
Speaker 2: the world again because they're together even though they're not together,
Speaker 2: they're together. They're together as much as we can here
Speaker 2: on earth. Wow, that's really special.
Speaker 1: So how did you get from doing the like the
Speaker 1: family constellation stuff to because you create you you design
Speaker 1: during and create jewelry. I'm so intrigued. I'm like looking
Speaker 1: at the sign behind you and I'm like, it looks
Speaker 1: so gorgeous. I'm so intrigued. How did you move into that?
Speaker 2: It's really fun and really funny. Actually, so let me
Speaker 2: just give a little bit of context to my energy
Speaker 2: healing works. Oh, yes, Like I do family constellation therapy,
Speaker 2: but then I also do other energy and emotional healing
Speaker 2: that comes along with that. I found like how to
Speaker 2: sort of weave it all together and make it a
Speaker 2: really beautiful effective process. So since I started my healing business,
Speaker 2: there was that crossroad, that moment in time where I
Speaker 2: was like, I just have to follow my intuition. Like
Speaker 2: I'm just going to follow my intuition all the time now.
Speaker 2: And so I've had eight years of solidly following my intuition.
Speaker 2: We moved from the western suburbs of Melbourne down to
Speaker 2: the morning to Peninsula to the beach, and before we moved,
Speaker 2: I could feel that there was something that wanted to
Speaker 2: come through me. Have you ever had that, Mickey, where like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're like you know that there's something you meant to
Speaker 2: be creating, and there's this feeling like kind of like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, being spiritually pregnant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like yes, I love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm about to burst something. Don't know what the
Speaker 2: fuck it is, but okay, here we go. So we
Speaker 2: I could feel that we sold the house, we bought
Speaker 2: the land, we've moved houses, blah blah blah. Got to
Speaker 2: the peninsula and I was like, finally, Okay, we're a
Speaker 2: couple of months in. I'm gonna like tune in and
Speaker 2: see what happens. Lo and behold. I had no idea
Speaker 2: that a whole new business wanted to come in and
Speaker 2: was just intuitively brought in like divine downloads, like flashing
Speaker 2: visions coming through one after the other. Amazing mate healer
Speaker 2: and mentor at the time, and she said to me, like,
Speaker 2: what does your business want to sell? And before I
Speaker 2: could even think about it this, the word product products
Speaker 2: came up and I was like, I paused, and I
Speaker 2: didn't even want to say it out loud, and I
Speaker 2: just couldn't believe it because I thought I'd found my
Speaker 2: lot in life doing energy healing work. Like I just
Speaker 2: thought I was always going to be a service based business.
Speaker 2: I'd stied way clear of MLMs and all the different
Speaker 2: things that people tried to wrote me into to sell
Speaker 2: their products. I was like, no, no, no, not for me.
Speaker 2: And then I got this vision of my So I
Speaker 2: was out in the stars, you know, good old meditation, yeahs,
Speaker 2: And I see this hand and I saw a color
Speaker 2: doan stone rings slide onto someone's ring finger, and I
Speaker 2: saw energy rippling up their arms into like into their body,
Speaker 2: and then their light just went being and turned on,
Speaker 2: and I was like, what the fuck is this? And
Speaker 2: then I saw like all these like I started making rings,
Speaker 2: like started with working rings in my business. I saw
Speaker 2: all these rings being made out of Melbourne and like
Speaker 2: shipping out to like all across the world. And then
Speaker 2: I saw that each of these pieces of jewelry created
Speaker 2: a grid around Mother Earth. And so now I have
Speaker 2: like this goal or mission, and I don't even know
Speaker 2: how I'm going to measure it, but to create the
Speaker 2: world's largest crystal grid using all of our jewelry and
Speaker 2: the purpose of the greed is to support the ascension
Speaker 2: of the planet of Mother Earth. So let me go
Speaker 2: back a couple of steps. Now, Yes, I basically it's
Speaker 2: a full custom process where the first step in the
Speaker 2: process is well, people can have free energy readings with
Speaker 2: me actually, and I like read your energy field, tell
Speaker 2: you what colors are in your field and what it
Speaker 2: all means. And then I try on gemstones to see
Speaker 2: what would be the perfect match that really like hing
Speaker 2: turn your light on, so do that, which I'm I'm
Speaker 2: happy to give you one too, Mickey if you're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, yes. And then when people decide like
Speaker 2: oh my god, don't know, I fucking have to have
Speaker 2: one of these pieces of drawer, which is what happens.
Speaker 2: People just know whether they're meant to have one or not.
Speaker 2: Then I take them through a blossom session and it's
Speaker 2: a deep dive session for you to connect with your
Speaker 2: soul in a way that you probably never have before.
Speaker 2: We feel what does your soul want for you and
Speaker 2: what does it want to express for you, and you
Speaker 2: get this visceral experience of who you are as that
Speaker 2: soulful being and with that feeling, with that vibration, then
Speaker 2: I go off and oh, and you get a divine
Speaker 2: download in that session of like is it a ring,
Speaker 2: is it a pendent? What colors stone? Is it? Like
Speaker 2: that kind of thing, And then I go off and
Speaker 2: into it. If we choose dem stones for you, I
Speaker 2: bring them back. That's why I call them soulmate stones,
Speaker 2: because people just like they either stopped talking, get really quiet,
Speaker 2: or they get a big grin on their face or
Speaker 2: they cry or like they're like it's doing something to
Speaker 2: my heart. I'm like, yep, it's just beautiful. And then
Speaker 2: we go through a process of designing your piece of jewelry.
Speaker 2: And I have an incredible jeweler who's been making jewelry
Speaker 2: for over thirty years. The pieces are designed to be
Speaker 2: heirloom pieces, so they're handed down from generation to generation.
Speaker 2: They get the essence of your soul magic and they
Speaker 2: get all of your love when they're these pieces handed down.
Speaker 1: Oh that gives me like, especially as someone who like
Speaker 1: read you know, and I guess like you'd understand this too,
Speaker 1: because often like a piece of jewelry. So if someone
Speaker 1: gives me a piece of jewelry from like their nanna
Speaker 1: or their mum or the grandmother or something like that
Speaker 1: them straight away. You like, there's so much in that
Speaker 1: and be a really helpful tool because it holds so
Speaker 1: much of their energy and then memory.
Speaker 2: So when you're doing that's right, so you're doing psychometry readings, yeah,
Speaker 2: when you're holding those, and that's exactly what happens. Like
Speaker 2: I've got my ring and I wear it and it
Speaker 2: has a specific mission for me, but also all of
Speaker 2: my energy is now like intertwined, and as I'm wearing it,
Speaker 2: more and more like there's more of me in this ring.
Speaker 2: Like I had this gorgeous amethyst ring from my nanna
Speaker 2: and I used to love wearing it because I felt
Speaker 2: like we were close. I could feel her around me
Speaker 2: when I wore that piece of jewelry. So even though
Speaker 2: it's custom made for your soul, it's every piece a
Speaker 2: specific mission, a specific purpose, and even when it's passed
Speaker 2: down or passed on, that gets that gift as well
Speaker 2: as you your essence. And so also I have made
Speaker 2: an engagement ring before, which was just wild and like
Speaker 2: the most beautiful experience, and it was a surprise for
Speaker 2: her as well as she didn't know and she like
Speaker 2: absolutely loves her ring like it was how instead of
Speaker 2: it being like about so the ring acts on her
Speaker 2: soul and we connected into her soul, but it also
Speaker 2: represents the love of the relationship, and the ring tells
Speaker 2: a story about their relationship, from the time that they
Speaker 2: met to their happy places along the way and the
Speaker 2: next chapter of their lives. It's just it was so gorgeous.
Speaker 2: I cried the whole way through making that so beautiful.
Speaker 2: I'm ready. I'm waiting for someone else to say, come
Speaker 2: on down, I want an engage with ring. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I can't wait. I am ready for the next one.
Speaker 2: But interestingly, I have a lot of people Miki choose
Speaker 2: to buy the jewry for themselves.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: I actually love them given as gifts. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: I've heard people say to me like, I've never spent
Speaker 2: this much money on myself. I've never bought my stuff
Speaker 2: anything like this before. Most people, most of my customers
Speaker 2: are not jewelry people per se. They just have this
Speaker 2: soul calling that they know they're meant to have one.
Speaker 1: I love that set because I'm not a dreary person.
Speaker 1: I wear like I don't even wear my engagement ring
Speaker 1: because I don't know, Like, I just will take it
Speaker 1: off and I'm not, and I'm I'm I'm actually that
Speaker 1: to lie. I'm not a sentimental person, but I but
Speaker 1: i'm if I know it's like good for my soul,
Speaker 1: then I'm like, I'm like, oh, when it's got energetics
Speaker 1: and it's got this is that Yeah that's different. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not a sentimental person, but I love like, yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: I love that so much, and I love that people
Speaker 1: are getting it for themselves and because that to me,
Speaker 1: like you know, I think an engagement ring is a
Speaker 1: beautiful thing and the intention of it and I love
Speaker 1: you and blah blah blah, but like what's more special
Speaker 1: than like from me?
Speaker 2: To me, it's like the ultimate act of self love. Yes,
Speaker 2: because it enhances your soul and it enhances your experience
Speaker 2: of life on this planet and its support. Like I
Speaker 2: feel like they act as north stars for our life
Speaker 2: and where we're moving to. Like ay, I can work
Speaker 2: magic on people. So it is this, like it's it's
Speaker 2: like a commitment ring to your own soul. Really love
Speaker 2: that so much.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much, Donna for chatting to me,
Speaker 1: for talking, for educating me, and for teaching me all
Speaker 1: about this. Like family constellation and the jewelry and everything.
Speaker 1: I'm like already so interested to dive into all of
Speaker 1: that stuff. And it really is such like an AHA
Speaker 1: moment with all the family thing, and I think it
Speaker 1: probably will be for so many other people as well,
Speaker 1: listening going like, oh my god, that would be so
Speaker 1: effing helpful because I sit there trying to I think
Speaker 1: with family, like a lot of the time, the thing
Speaker 1: that we struggle with the most is that people. We
Speaker 1: can't control other people, and people aren't being who we
Speaker 1: need them to be because they can't be because we
Speaker 1: can't force anyone to to be or do anything. But
Speaker 1: to be able to bring that power back to ourselves
Speaker 1: and to be able to sort of heal those relationships
Speaker 1: and understand those relationships on a real energetic level, I
Speaker 1: think will be really freeing for a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the fact that you get your emotional needs
Speaker 2: in't it? You can get what you need without that
Speaker 2: person having to change. Yes, it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much. How can people find you? Like,
Speaker 1: where can they buy your jury? Where can they book
Speaker 1: a session?
Speaker 2: Yes? So you can find me at Donna Wallace dot
Speaker 2: com dot au. I'm also on Instagram as Donna Wallace Healer,
Speaker 2: and you can check out my jewelry. There's a link
Speaker 2: for my jewelry through my main website. I have a
Speaker 2: whole other website that's called the House of Ryan dot
Speaker 2: com dot au and an Instagram page for that as well.
Speaker 2: So Instagram page is like my portfolio really and yeah,
Speaker 2: you can come and book a read book a free
Speaker 2: and into reading with me. If the jury is calling
Speaker 2: your name, yeah, look me up. I'd love to connect.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Donna.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me Miki. It's been the best, amazing.
Speaker 1: Thank you and we'll see you next week. Bye.