1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:13,081 Speaker 1: Apogee Production. I'm Mickey Fisher, and welcome to the Village 2 00:00:13,161 --> 00:00:16,761 Speaker 1: Crazy Lady. People are talking to me and they are 3 00:00:16,801 --> 00:00:20,721 Speaker 1: not physically in this room, so just strap in for that. 4 00:00:20,961 --> 00:00:23,721 Speaker 1: Can't call me crazy, so I said it first. Whoever's 5 00:00:23,761 --> 00:00:26,121 Speaker 1: trying to come through, whatever messages need to come through, like, 6 00:00:26,241 --> 00:00:29,961 Speaker 1: just bring it on. Let's do it, Crazy Crazy Crazy, 7 00:00:30,241 --> 00:00:36,361 Speaker 1: The Village Crazy Lady Podcast. Hello, gorgeous legends, and welcome 8 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: to another episode of the Village Crazy Lady. This week, 9 00:00:40,601 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: I have another Crazy Lady in the building with me. 10 00:00:43,681 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: Beautiful Donna Wallace reached out and she said, Hey, I've 11 00:00:47,801 --> 00:00:51,041 Speaker 1: got a story and I've got something that I'd love 12 00:00:51,081 --> 00:00:53,321 Speaker 1: to chat on the podcast about. I'm so passionate about 13 00:00:53,321 --> 00:00:56,041 Speaker 1: what I do. I've got over twenty five experience twenty 14 00:00:56,081 --> 00:00:59,401 Speaker 1: five years experience, sorry, working with people, and you do 15 00:00:59,521 --> 00:01:02,321 Speaker 1: so many amazing things. So you make jewelry that is 16 00:01:02,361 --> 00:01:06,641 Speaker 1: like specifically sort of like full people's souls, I guess, 17 00:01:06,721 --> 00:01:09,681 Speaker 1: and I'm excited to hear so much more about that. 18 00:01:09,961 --> 00:01:14,001 Speaker 1: You work with like family constellations and like really deep healing. 19 00:01:14,401 --> 00:01:16,521 Speaker 1: I think you said to me that the thing for 20 00:01:16,601 --> 00:01:18,601 Speaker 1: you is it's like you want to like almost like 21 00:01:18,681 --> 00:01:20,881 Speaker 1: rip the band aid off and really get the nitty 22 00:01:20,881 --> 00:01:23,481 Speaker 1: gritty of like what's going on? Does that feel right? 23 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: Did I now that exactly right? 24 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: Okay, good, that's exactly right? Thank you. Yes. 25 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: Well, I'm excited to get into it. So tell me 26 00:01:32,601 --> 00:01:34,881 Speaker 1: your story. Tell us how you got into what you're 27 00:01:34,881 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: doing and how you got to where you are now. 28 00:01:37,161 --> 00:01:41,761 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, how many hours do we have? Mickey? Okay, 29 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:46,001 Speaker 2: So short version is grew up in a family that 30 00:01:46,041 --> 00:01:50,561 Speaker 2: wasn't spiritual but you know, pretty much atheist family, and 31 00:01:51,121 --> 00:01:55,401 Speaker 2: discovered spirituality when I was about fifteen sixteen through someone 32 00:01:55,481 --> 00:01:58,681 Speaker 2: doing reiki for me, and that felt like finally I 33 00:01:58,801 --> 00:02:02,921 Speaker 2: was at home. Like this sense of love and energy 34 00:02:03,121 --> 00:02:06,401 Speaker 2: just took me into something that was so real and 35 00:02:06,841 --> 00:02:09,881 Speaker 2: so natural and normal and yet the first time I've 36 00:02:09,881 --> 00:02:13,121 Speaker 2: ever had ever experienced it. That set me on a 37 00:02:13,161 --> 00:02:17,441 Speaker 2: really interesting trajectory of learning and learning and learning and 38 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,761 Speaker 2: learning and learning more and discovering more about myself. And 39 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,441 Speaker 2: I guess really my personal development journey started than when 40 00:02:24,441 --> 00:02:27,321 Speaker 2: I was a teenager, which is why I've been doing 41 00:02:27,321 --> 00:02:30,601 Speaker 2: and the healing wrote for so many years. And you know, 42 00:02:30,641 --> 00:02:32,961 Speaker 2: I tried to quit it so many times along the 43 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,481 Speaker 2: way Mickey, Oh really stop. Yes, so many times I 44 00:02:37,561 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: was like, this is stuff I don't want to I 45 00:02:40,161 --> 00:02:42,041 Speaker 2: can swear as much as I want on your own Yeah. 46 00:02:42,081 --> 00:02:44,761 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, we've got a good little E marked. 47 00:02:45,001 --> 00:02:48,601 Speaker 2: Yeah great, we love the E like this, fuck don't 48 00:02:48,641 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: want to do this anymore? And like, I've had hit 49 00:02:51,281 --> 00:02:53,641 Speaker 2: points along my life where I just wanted to give 50 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: it all up. 51 00:02:54,401 --> 00:02:57,481 Speaker 1: And what were the things that made you want to 52 00:02:57,481 --> 00:03:00,321 Speaker 1: give up? Was it just like because I mean I've 53 00:03:00,361 --> 00:03:02,321 Speaker 1: been there as well, you saying like I've wanted to 54 00:03:02,321 --> 00:03:05,441 Speaker 1: give up, And I mean, I'm sure so many people 55 00:03:05,481 --> 00:03:08,561 Speaker 1: listening can probably have felt the same with They're just 56 00:03:08,601 --> 00:03:10,761 Speaker 1: like why am I fucking doing this? This is hard? 57 00:03:11,081 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: Or I'm not making the money that I thought I would, 58 00:03:14,001 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: or like what were all the imposter syndrome that was 59 00:03:16,601 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: an absolute crippling for me? What was it that made 60 00:03:20,721 --> 00:03:21,441 Speaker 1: you want to give up? 61 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,841 Speaker 2: Like take your pick out of it all? 62 00:03:25,921 --> 00:03:28,961 Speaker 1: Like all of you, all of those you know? 63 00:03:29,161 --> 00:03:32,881 Speaker 2: That's right? Plus throw in there that I'm playing in 64 00:03:32,921 --> 00:03:37,241 Speaker 2: an industry that a lot of times I don't resonate with. Yes, 65 00:03:37,641 --> 00:03:41,401 Speaker 2: like I'm in the spiritual personal development world that sometimes 66 00:03:41,401 --> 00:03:43,441 Speaker 2: it makes me want to vomit. Yeah, I hear and 67 00:03:43,441 --> 00:03:46,681 Speaker 2: see stuff going on and I'm like, it's so untrue. 68 00:03:46,761 --> 00:03:49,281 Speaker 2: And look at how many follows followers you have and 69 00:03:49,321 --> 00:03:52,321 Speaker 2: how many people listening to you, and that just makes 70 00:03:52,361 --> 00:03:56,881 Speaker 2: me want to vomit. Yes, so yeah, but all of 71 00:03:56,921 --> 00:04:00,481 Speaker 2: those things, and also, like you know, earlier on in 72 00:04:00,521 --> 00:04:04,041 Speaker 2: my in my healing journey, like feeling like I was 73 00:04:04,081 --> 00:04:06,921 Speaker 2: doing so much work but never getting anywhere, Like I'd 74 00:04:06,961 --> 00:04:08,961 Speaker 2: have like a little breakthrough, but then the same thing 75 00:04:09,041 --> 00:04:11,481 Speaker 2: and pop up six months later, and it's like, just 76 00:04:11,521 --> 00:04:14,601 Speaker 2: wanted to flip the bird to personal development because like 77 00:04:14,641 --> 00:04:18,281 Speaker 2: that is so shit right when you're doing all the 78 00:04:18,321 --> 00:04:21,561 Speaker 2: things and not really making a difference, Like it's not 79 00:04:21,761 --> 00:04:23,361 Speaker 2: really getting to the source. 80 00:04:23,081 --> 00:04:25,641 Speaker 1: Of why do you think that is? Like because I'm 81 00:04:25,681 --> 00:04:27,921 Speaker 1: sure there are so many people listening being like that 82 00:04:28,041 --> 00:04:30,161 Speaker 1: is literally me. I've wanted to flip a table that 83 00:04:30,201 --> 00:04:33,001 Speaker 1: many times because I'm like, I thought, I fucking healed this. 84 00:04:33,921 --> 00:04:37,721 Speaker 1: What am I doing it again? Jesus what? I may 85 00:04:37,721 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: as well give the fuck up and just stop, Like 86 00:04:42,841 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: what what do you think it is? When it's coming 87 00:04:44,761 --> 00:04:47,161 Speaker 1: up sort of again? Or like how do you move 88 00:04:47,241 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: through that? 89 00:04:48,841 --> 00:04:51,281 Speaker 2: Mickey? You make me laugh so much flip the table up. 90 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: It's so true, Like you do right, you just want 91 00:04:53,641 --> 00:04:55,041 Speaker 2: to be like this is fun. 92 00:04:56,001 --> 00:04:57,561 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like I want to go back to being 93 00:04:57,961 --> 00:05:04,761 Speaker 1: like unconscious and unaware and like right freedom in that muggle. 94 00:05:05,041 --> 00:05:07,441 Speaker 2: I feel so much easier, Like you could just go 95 00:05:07,521 --> 00:05:11,561 Speaker 2: to a normal job and do your normal thing and all. Yeah, 96 00:05:11,681 --> 00:05:17,601 Speaker 2: so much easier. Ignorance is bliss, Yeah, totally. But I 97 00:05:17,641 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: think that if you're not getting to the source of 98 00:05:21,001 --> 00:05:23,721 Speaker 2: what the problem is, it's not effective. It's not effective 99 00:05:23,761 --> 00:05:26,041 Speaker 2: healing that modality is not effective for you. 100 00:05:27,241 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: So what was that actually for you? It doesn't work 101 00:05:29,641 --> 00:05:30,401 Speaker 1: getting to the court. 102 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,361 Speaker 2: That journey for me was so many years of trying 103 00:05:33,361 --> 00:05:36,281 Speaker 2: to find the most effective stuff, like trying lots of 104 00:05:36,281 --> 00:05:38,561 Speaker 2: different things, and I really didn't feel like I had 105 00:05:38,601 --> 00:05:41,241 Speaker 2: much of a choice because I needed it, like I 106 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,881 Speaker 2: really needed it. I needed to figure out like all 107 00:05:43,961 --> 00:05:45,841 Speaker 2: the stuff that was going on inside of me, and 108 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,641 Speaker 2: I needed to figure out how to heal myself so 109 00:05:47,681 --> 00:05:51,561 Speaker 2: I could be happy again. Healing is so you know, 110 00:05:51,601 --> 00:05:53,881 Speaker 2: I call is the healing journey, But it's so deep 111 00:05:53,921 --> 00:05:59,161 Speaker 2: and it's so personal, it's so multi faceted because we're 112 00:05:59,241 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: multifaceted people, but it's often a hidden inner experience of 113 00:06:03,801 --> 00:06:06,681 Speaker 2: what we're going through when we're on that emotional rollercoaster. 114 00:06:07,161 --> 00:06:12,441 Speaker 1: I often say that, like healing to me is less 115 00:06:12,681 --> 00:06:15,561 Speaker 1: of a healing. I guess healing is the word that 116 00:06:15,601 --> 00:06:19,241 Speaker 1: we've kind of been given as a way to describe it. 117 00:06:19,281 --> 00:06:21,121 Speaker 2: Is there a better word I'm still searching on. 118 00:06:21,281 --> 00:06:23,281 Speaker 1: I know. I always feel like it's almost like a 119 00:06:23,401 --> 00:06:26,641 Speaker 1: getting to know, because it is, like it's just sort 120 00:06:26,681 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: of getting to like and it's like a learning more 121 00:06:29,241 --> 00:06:33,521 Speaker 1: than anything else, Like it's like learning learning yourself, like 122 00:06:33,801 --> 00:06:37,601 Speaker 1: understanding different parts of you. And it's kind of like 123 00:06:37,721 --> 00:06:42,121 Speaker 1: doing it not without shame, because like we can't determine 124 00:06:42,161 --> 00:06:45,361 Speaker 1: that we can do something completely shameless, but kind of 125 00:06:45,401 --> 00:06:48,041 Speaker 1: like coming at it from a degree of like just 126 00:06:48,121 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: trying to peel away the shame from ourselves, like stop 127 00:06:51,201 --> 00:06:55,201 Speaker 1: shaming ourselves for being ourselves, and just learning to understand 128 00:06:55,281 --> 00:06:58,601 Speaker 1: all of these like beautiful, intricate parts of us and 129 00:06:58,801 --> 00:07:01,481 Speaker 1: instead of seeing it as like a bad thing, it's 130 00:07:01,601 --> 00:07:05,721 Speaker 1: just like a real understanding of it and like a 131 00:07:05,921 --> 00:07:09,401 Speaker 1: love for like why we you know, just a love 132 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,961 Speaker 1: for it all and an understanding and acceptance of it all. 133 00:07:12,641 --> 00:07:16,281 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really beautiful, Mickey. I feel like you know, 134 00:07:16,361 --> 00:07:18,561 Speaker 2: in the same vein, we're going through a process of 135 00:07:18,681 --> 00:07:21,321 Speaker 2: remembering of like who we actually are. We you're just 136 00:07:21,361 --> 00:07:23,321 Speaker 2: going to render all the shit that's on top of 137 00:07:23,361 --> 00:07:26,361 Speaker 2: us because the end of the day, like you know, 138 00:07:26,441 --> 00:07:28,761 Speaker 2: I talk about like fixing problems, and I know that 139 00:07:28,801 --> 00:07:31,081 Speaker 2: some people don't subscribe to that in my work, but 140 00:07:31,161 --> 00:07:33,681 Speaker 2: I think you actually can heal and properly fix some 141 00:07:33,721 --> 00:07:35,681 Speaker 2: of the stuff that's going on inside of you. And 142 00:07:35,721 --> 00:07:38,881 Speaker 2: when it happens, then like it's revealing the beauty of 143 00:07:38,921 --> 00:07:42,961 Speaker 2: who you are, Like our complete whole magnificence is already 144 00:07:43,041 --> 00:07:46,201 Speaker 2: inside of us. It is remembering who we are, as 145 00:07:46,201 --> 00:07:47,681 Speaker 2: you say, like if we have to get rid of 146 00:07:47,721 --> 00:07:51,561 Speaker 2: a blaze of shame or processing trauma that we've experienced, 147 00:07:51,601 --> 00:07:55,001 Speaker 2: all the different things, but ultimately we're just coming closer 148 00:07:55,041 --> 00:07:58,841 Speaker 2: and closer to the essence of ourselves. And it is 149 00:07:58,881 --> 00:08:00,161 Speaker 2: a remembering process. 150 00:08:00,681 --> 00:08:05,361 Speaker 1: Yes, So tell walk me through what it is that 151 00:08:05,401 --> 00:08:09,481 Speaker 1: you do and like how you got into it. Like 152 00:08:09,601 --> 00:08:13,441 Speaker 1: I've heard of like the family constantly and I'm not 153 00:08:13,481 --> 00:08:15,961 Speaker 1: even ture I'm even pronouncing it like saying it right 154 00:08:16,241 --> 00:08:18,881 Speaker 1: or I'm fucking it up. But I've heard of it, 155 00:08:18,961 --> 00:08:21,241 Speaker 1: but i don't really know much about it, and I'm 156 00:08:21,361 --> 00:08:24,881 Speaker 1: intrigued because is it, like, just explain it to me. 157 00:08:24,921 --> 00:08:26,001 Speaker 1: I'm not even going to try. 158 00:08:26,161 --> 00:08:30,281 Speaker 2: Sure. So family consolation therapy was like the one modality 159 00:08:30,321 --> 00:08:32,121 Speaker 2: that I found that actually got to the core of 160 00:08:32,161 --> 00:08:34,961 Speaker 2: things and fixed like the shit that I was still 161 00:08:35,001 --> 00:08:39,601 Speaker 2: carrying around. And that was super deep healing and such 162 00:08:39,601 --> 00:08:42,001 Speaker 2: a relief at the same time, because I started feeling 163 00:08:42,081 --> 00:08:46,921 Speaker 2: heaps lighter in myself and like this significant permanent change 164 00:08:47,201 --> 00:08:52,641 Speaker 2: and healing. Family consolation therapy is really interesting, Mickey. It works. 165 00:08:52,721 --> 00:08:55,001 Speaker 2: So you know how you and I we have energy fields, 166 00:08:55,041 --> 00:08:58,401 Speaker 2: We have an aura. Our family system also has an 167 00:08:58,521 --> 00:09:03,521 Speaker 2: energy field, and okay, you know when birds fly in 168 00:09:03,561 --> 00:09:07,681 Speaker 2: a V formation, there is a biological phenomenon called a 169 00:09:07,721 --> 00:09:11,201 Speaker 2: morphic field. That morphic field tells the birds how to 170 00:09:11,241 --> 00:09:15,041 Speaker 2: fly in a V formation. So the energetic field around 171 00:09:15,081 --> 00:09:18,441 Speaker 2: the birds is telling them what to do. Yes, right 172 00:09:18,641 --> 00:09:22,001 Speaker 2: in the field of the family system. The energetic field, 173 00:09:22,041 --> 00:09:25,241 Speaker 2: the morphic field of our family systems inform all of 174 00:09:25,281 --> 00:09:27,921 Speaker 2: the individuals about how to behave and what to do. 175 00:09:28,881 --> 00:09:33,281 Speaker 2: So we are born with this biological need to belong 176 00:09:33,321 --> 00:09:35,961 Speaker 2: to our family systems because if we don't, we're not 177 00:09:36,001 --> 00:09:38,281 Speaker 2: going to survive. Right as babies, we have to belong. 178 00:09:38,681 --> 00:09:42,761 Speaker 2: There is this inherent need, whether you like it or not, 179 00:09:43,041 --> 00:09:47,481 Speaker 2: to belong to your birth family. And we have like 180 00:09:47,561 --> 00:09:51,401 Speaker 2: this deep sense and loyalty because we will give They 181 00:09:51,441 --> 00:09:54,241 Speaker 2: gave us the greatest gift of all, which is the 182 00:09:54,281 --> 00:09:56,601 Speaker 2: gift of life. So we have this inherent love and 183 00:09:56,681 --> 00:10:00,041 Speaker 2: loyalty to our parents, even if they've treated us really poorly. 184 00:10:00,921 --> 00:10:04,001 Speaker 2: And then we also overlay that with this biological needs 185 00:10:04,121 --> 00:10:07,561 Speaker 2: belong to our family system. What that means is that 186 00:10:10,001 --> 00:10:13,361 Speaker 2: you you know, when you're trying to do something in 187 00:10:13,401 --> 00:10:16,961 Speaker 2: your life, Mickey, and you're like just don't have the willpower, 188 00:10:17,121 --> 00:10:19,921 Speaker 2: Like I just can't do it. I've tried so much 189 00:10:20,161 --> 00:10:23,121 Speaker 2: and I just can't like overcome this one thing. 190 00:10:23,401 --> 00:10:23,681 Speaker 1: Yep. 191 00:10:24,081 --> 00:10:27,281 Speaker 2: It is often connected to what's going on energetically in 192 00:10:27,321 --> 00:10:31,841 Speaker 2: your family system, because your need to belong to your 193 00:10:31,881 --> 00:10:35,881 Speaker 2: family overrides individual willpower personal willpower. 194 00:10:36,481 --> 00:10:39,041 Speaker 1: Right, Okay, my mind is blown right now because I 195 00:10:39,121 --> 00:10:41,161 Speaker 1: had no idea what it was, but it did not 196 00:10:41,361 --> 00:10:45,521 Speaker 1: think I never thought about that, So how like, how 197 00:10:45,561 --> 00:10:48,961 Speaker 1: how does it affect and how can you like as 198 00:10:49,001 --> 00:10:53,681 Speaker 1: an individual, begin to do you need the whole family 199 00:10:53,761 --> 00:10:55,641 Speaker 1: to be like in on it or. 200 00:10:56,161 --> 00:10:59,761 Speaker 2: Yeah, great, it's awesome. Questions. So you don't because we 201 00:10:59,801 --> 00:11:02,601 Speaker 2: work in the energetic field of your family system, you 202 00:11:02,641 --> 00:11:05,001 Speaker 2: don't have to have it. You don't even need to 203 00:11:05,201 --> 00:11:07,921 Speaker 2: talk to any of your family members about it. So 204 00:11:08,681 --> 00:11:13,041 Speaker 2: it's so good, right, idea, I can't even imagine having 205 00:11:13,081 --> 00:11:15,601 Speaker 2: to have those conversations. But we don't work through that 206 00:11:15,761 --> 00:11:19,401 Speaker 2: three level. You don't work through that personality level. You 207 00:11:19,521 --> 00:11:22,721 Speaker 2: work with the highest as of your family members, and 208 00:11:22,761 --> 00:11:26,681 Speaker 2: it means that if they've passed away, you can still 209 00:11:26,681 --> 00:11:28,801 Speaker 2: do the work with them. If it means that they're 210 00:11:28,841 --> 00:11:31,321 Speaker 2: alive and you're not in contact, or you're living on 211 00:11:31,361 --> 00:11:33,561 Speaker 2: the other side of the world, or for whatever reason 212 00:11:33,601 --> 00:11:35,921 Speaker 2: it's not safe to be in contact with them, that's 213 00:11:35,961 --> 00:11:38,521 Speaker 2: not a safe relationship. We still get to do the work. 214 00:11:38,521 --> 00:11:43,841 Speaker 2: It's awesome. So, yeah, we do its energetic work. And 215 00:11:44,961 --> 00:11:47,681 Speaker 2: I kind of tell you how much of a difference, Mickey. 216 00:11:47,761 --> 00:11:50,481 Speaker 2: It makes you be in your body like it's a 217 00:11:50,601 --> 00:11:54,321 Speaker 2: physical experience of what shifts when we do this work. 218 00:11:54,561 --> 00:11:56,681 Speaker 2: Let me tell you a little bit more about it. Okay, Okay, 219 00:11:56,921 --> 00:12:00,561 Speaker 2: So let's go back to another animal analogy. So you know, 220 00:12:00,761 --> 00:12:06,401 Speaker 2: with a wolf pack, if every wolf is knows what 221 00:12:06,521 --> 00:12:08,761 Speaker 2: their role is and they know where to stand in 222 00:12:08,801 --> 00:12:11,041 Speaker 2: the wolf pack, the wolf pack is really strong and 223 00:12:11,081 --> 00:12:15,921 Speaker 2: really healthy. All of the individuals can thrive when every 224 00:12:16,001 --> 00:12:18,441 Speaker 2: individual wolf knows what they're meant to be doing. It's 225 00:12:18,441 --> 00:12:21,281 Speaker 2: the same in the field of the family system, when 226 00:12:21,801 --> 00:12:25,201 Speaker 2: every individual is standing in the right place. Yeah, the 227 00:12:25,281 --> 00:12:29,961 Speaker 2: constellation part. Yes, like everyone's a star in the field 228 00:12:30,001 --> 00:12:33,961 Speaker 2: of the family system. Yeah, when everyone is standing in 229 00:12:33,961 --> 00:12:38,281 Speaker 2: their rightful places and performing their rightful roles, and everyone 230 00:12:38,321 --> 00:12:40,961 Speaker 2: in the field of the family system is so much stronger, 231 00:12:41,121 --> 00:12:45,641 Speaker 2: so much happier, so much healthier. Also, love and lifeless 232 00:12:45,721 --> 00:12:48,601 Speaker 2: energy flows through the field of our family system. And 233 00:12:48,641 --> 00:12:51,561 Speaker 2: there's a couple of ways where like the hose gets kinked. 234 00:12:52,081 --> 00:12:55,121 Speaker 2: First of all, it's people are in the wrong positions 235 00:12:55,121 --> 00:12:58,841 Speaker 2: and they're performing the wrong roles. Like say, I'm a daughter, 236 00:12:59,081 --> 00:13:02,321 Speaker 2: but I'm acting like a mother to my mother. Yeah, 237 00:13:03,201 --> 00:13:08,921 Speaker 2: it's called parentification. Yes, So when we're performing the wrong roles, 238 00:13:09,001 --> 00:13:11,961 Speaker 2: it kinks the flow of loveless energy. We're sounding in 239 00:13:12,001 --> 00:13:16,401 Speaker 2: the wrong positions that lifeless energy can't flow. Also, when 240 00:13:16,441 --> 00:13:19,841 Speaker 2: there's been trauma that's been experienced by any members of 241 00:13:19,881 --> 00:13:24,401 Speaker 2: our family and it hasn't been processed, it is like 242 00:13:24,561 --> 00:13:28,001 Speaker 2: having an octopus over that person's face. All it doesn't 243 00:13:28,001 --> 00:13:31,321 Speaker 2: matter where they look, all they can see is the 244 00:13:31,361 --> 00:13:35,161 Speaker 2: octopus is the trauma. So, you know, when I'm sure 245 00:13:35,241 --> 00:13:38,201 Speaker 2: we've all seen this, like when a parent has experienced 246 00:13:38,201 --> 00:13:40,881 Speaker 2: some sort of trauma in their life and they just 247 00:13:40,921 --> 00:13:44,921 Speaker 2: can't be present to their children, like they are just 248 00:13:45,081 --> 00:13:48,401 Speaker 2: kind of consumed and taken over by the things that 249 00:13:48,401 --> 00:13:51,921 Speaker 2: they've experienced and haven't been able to resolve yet. So 250 00:13:52,161 --> 00:13:54,801 Speaker 2: unprocessed trauma sits there like a big boulder in the 251 00:13:54,801 --> 00:13:57,521 Speaker 2: field of the family system. It prevents the flow of 252 00:13:57,561 --> 00:14:02,041 Speaker 2: love and lifeless energy moving through. And so when we 253 00:14:02,281 --> 00:14:04,841 Speaker 2: heal all that unprocessed trauma and we put everyone into 254 00:14:04,841 --> 00:14:09,961 Speaker 2: the positions and people performing their rightful roles, you get 255 00:14:09,961 --> 00:14:14,121 Speaker 2: this beautiful like experience of heaps of support coming into 256 00:14:14,161 --> 00:14:16,921 Speaker 2: the back of your body and you feel really strong 257 00:14:17,041 --> 00:14:19,841 Speaker 2: and you feel really light because you've released all the 258 00:14:19,881 --> 00:14:24,201 Speaker 2: shit that you've been carrying from other people. Yeah, this 259 00:14:24,361 --> 00:14:27,321 Speaker 2: is that whole repeating pattern thing. You know. Some people 260 00:14:27,401 --> 00:14:30,881 Speaker 2: call it like ancestral healing. Or like epigenetics and all 261 00:14:30,881 --> 00:14:32,801 Speaker 2: of that stuff. But this is a whole nother take 262 00:14:32,881 --> 00:14:36,841 Speaker 2: on that, which is it is much easier for us 263 00:14:36,961 --> 00:14:41,241 Speaker 2: to you know, when you're skiing and doing like cross 264 00:14:41,281 --> 00:14:43,841 Speaker 2: country skiing, and it's so much easier to go in 265 00:14:43,921 --> 00:14:47,441 Speaker 2: the well worn tracks of other people. It's the same 266 00:14:47,481 --> 00:14:49,681 Speaker 2: in the field of our family. It's much easier for 267 00:14:49,801 --> 00:14:51,881 Speaker 2: us to repeat the same patterns, to do the same 268 00:14:51,921 --> 00:14:55,161 Speaker 2: sorts of things as what the norm of our family 269 00:14:55,201 --> 00:14:58,721 Speaker 2: system is. So when you know our when it comes 270 00:14:58,761 --> 00:15:01,401 Speaker 2: to our generation, mickey, like, we are wanting to create 271 00:15:01,481 --> 00:15:05,041 Speaker 2: all sorts of amazing things that haven't that hasn't had 272 00:15:05,161 --> 00:15:07,801 Speaker 2: and historically in our family, like we want to be 273 00:15:08,001 --> 00:15:10,041 Speaker 2: much happier than anyone else was. We want to do 274 00:15:10,161 --> 00:15:14,081 Speaker 2: what is really fulfilling and you know perhaps our past 275 00:15:14,121 --> 00:15:17,161 Speaker 2: generations didn't have that. We want to experience true love. 276 00:15:17,201 --> 00:15:19,801 Speaker 2: We want to be you know, conscious parents. We want 277 00:15:19,841 --> 00:15:22,081 Speaker 2: to I don't know, make a ton of money. Like 278 00:15:22,281 --> 00:15:24,961 Speaker 2: whatever the things are that you want to create. It's 279 00:15:25,001 --> 00:15:28,281 Speaker 2: sort of like you either have the feeling of like 280 00:15:28,681 --> 00:15:31,441 Speaker 2: being held back, like unseen hands holding you back you 281 00:15:31,481 --> 00:15:34,521 Speaker 2: can't quite create the things that you want, or with 282 00:15:34,641 --> 00:15:37,081 Speaker 2: the shift of like doing this kind of work, it 283 00:15:37,121 --> 00:15:41,441 Speaker 2: feels like you get to create like the most beautiful 284 00:15:41,521 --> 00:15:45,001 Speaker 2: life with the support of your family and doing it 285 00:15:45,041 --> 00:15:46,001 Speaker 2: in honor of them. 286 00:15:46,681 --> 00:15:49,201 Speaker 1: So I've had so many like listening to you, I've 287 00:15:49,241 --> 00:15:53,561 Speaker 1: had so many like like almost duh moments, you know, 288 00:15:53,681 --> 00:15:57,081 Speaker 1: where like everything that you were talking about, like just 289 00:15:57,121 --> 00:15:59,681 Speaker 1: even on just a physical level, which I guess is 290 00:15:59,721 --> 00:16:03,001 Speaker 1: also you know, like an energetic level as well. So 291 00:16:03,281 --> 00:16:09,321 Speaker 1: much of our shit now as adults comes from us 292 00:16:09,361 --> 00:16:11,721 Speaker 1: when we were children and our family, our family, sisters, 293 00:16:11,761 --> 00:16:19,281 Speaker 1: whether it's mum, well and all of the above, mom, dad, dad, mom, brother, sister, whoever, whoever, grandparents, 294 00:16:19,401 --> 00:16:23,081 Speaker 1: because you're right, like they are like when we're younger, 295 00:16:23,161 --> 00:16:26,681 Speaker 1: they are our world. They are everything. We're learning everything 296 00:16:26,721 --> 00:16:30,321 Speaker 1: about ourselves from them. We're learning everything about relationships from them. 297 00:16:30,361 --> 00:16:33,801 Speaker 1: We're learning everything about how we treat people, how we behave, 298 00:16:33,961 --> 00:16:37,081 Speaker 1: how we respond to situations, how we feel safe. We're 299 00:16:37,121 --> 00:16:40,521 Speaker 1: creating our safety based on how we feel. And so 300 00:16:40,761 --> 00:16:43,321 Speaker 1: like I guess, like it makes so much sense now 301 00:16:43,361 --> 00:16:47,361 Speaker 1: when you think about it and like to consider healing 302 00:16:47,561 --> 00:16:51,121 Speaker 1: just the energetic relationships without having because a lot of 303 00:16:51,241 --> 00:16:53,801 Speaker 1: us are going like you know, well, I'm in therapy 304 00:16:53,921 --> 00:16:56,801 Speaker 1: and I'm talking, and which is also a beautiful important 305 00:16:56,801 --> 00:16:59,761 Speaker 1: thing as well and can be so so good, like 306 00:16:59,841 --> 00:17:02,801 Speaker 1: good and important. But like for me, for example, I'm 307 00:17:02,801 --> 00:17:05,241 Speaker 1: listening to this and like I've been through a lot 308 00:17:05,281 --> 00:17:10,001 Speaker 1: of those everything like issues with family, and there's so 309 00:17:10,241 --> 00:17:15,001 Speaker 1: much that I can't have conversations with certain people or 310 00:17:15,201 --> 00:17:19,561 Speaker 1: it's unsafe for me or whatever. But to add like 311 00:17:19,681 --> 00:17:23,201 Speaker 1: the element to be able to heal the family shit 312 00:17:23,321 --> 00:17:28,361 Speaker 1: without having to fucking sit down and like do it, 313 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,801 Speaker 1: Like that's really interesting to me. But it also makes 314 00:17:30,801 --> 00:17:32,721 Speaker 1: so much sense because it would be so much more 315 00:17:32,761 --> 00:17:36,041 Speaker 1: freeing for me and be able to like heal so 316 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,001 Speaker 1: much within myself because of course, like so much of 317 00:17:39,041 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: me is relevant to them exactly. 318 00:17:41,441 --> 00:17:43,561 Speaker 2: And then when you start talking about it, it is 319 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,241 Speaker 2: like having those dorm moments, like you said, oh my gosh, 320 00:17:46,321 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 2: how did I never think about it? Just so all 321 00:17:48,681 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 2: the things that are hidden in plain sight. It's it 322 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:54,481 Speaker 2: just sort of is like, well, no, no, we don't think 323 00:17:54,521 --> 00:17:57,001 Speaker 2: about it in that way, but when we start talking 324 00:17:57,041 --> 00:18:00,881 Speaker 2: about it just feels so bright and so true. That's 325 00:18:00,921 --> 00:18:02,601 Speaker 2: what happened to me anyway. 326 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,601 Speaker 1: Is it on? Like even when we talk about sort 327 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,481 Speaker 1: of like I don't know, like our spaces in the family, 328 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,321 Speaker 1: and like our roles now all of those sorts of things. 329 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: Are we talking like soul level? Are we talking like 330 00:18:16,561 --> 00:18:19,481 Speaker 1: this is what we've come down to do and our 331 00:18:19,561 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: roles to play and the lessons to learn? Like is 332 00:18:21,721 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: there a lot of karmic stuff sort of within it? 333 00:18:24,521 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 2: Okay, So the roles are more like you know how 334 00:18:27,681 --> 00:18:30,041 Speaker 2: I said before, like as a daughter, I shouldn't be 335 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,521 Speaker 2: parenting my mother. As a daughter, I should be playing 336 00:18:32,561 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 2: a daughter role and I should be in a receiving question. 337 00:18:35,961 --> 00:18:38,121 Speaker 2: And then as a mother for my children, I meant 338 00:18:38,120 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 2: to be in a giving position. So that's what I 339 00:18:40,041 --> 00:18:46,641 Speaker 2: mean by playing the rightful roles. The whole soul karmic 340 00:18:46,721 --> 00:18:53,401 Speaker 2: thing is really a whole other interesting conversation, which can 341 00:18:53,441 --> 00:18:56,001 Speaker 2: we could like go off hold a huge rabbit hole about. 342 00:18:56,201 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 2: I think that we have agreements with our you know, 343 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,521 Speaker 2: on that soule level to come in and to come 344 00:19:02,521 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: into particular families that give us exactly what we need 345 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,681 Speaker 2: on the soule level, and it can be challenging as far. Yeah, 346 00:19:09,961 --> 00:19:12,961 Speaker 2: you know, and sometimes it's the stuff that we experience 347 00:19:13,041 --> 00:19:17,521 Speaker 2: with our families that are so deeply challenging, Mickey, become 348 00:19:17,721 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: our greatest gifts. And I really truly believe that like 349 00:19:21,681 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 2: our greatest challenges are also our greatest gifts. We just 350 00:19:24,921 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 2: need to figure out how to get them from a 351 00:19:26,961 --> 00:19:28,001 Speaker 2: challenge to a gift. 352 00:19:28,241 --> 00:19:31,161 Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent. I think that all the time. 353 00:19:31,201 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: I think you know anyone who's probably experienced anything like 354 00:19:35,001 --> 00:19:38,761 Speaker 1: even once you've gotten to a stage of like acceptance 355 00:19:38,761 --> 00:19:42,521 Speaker 1: and realization, for the fact that like it's given you 356 00:19:42,801 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: the capacity to think. I think when you experience things, 357 00:19:46,360 --> 00:19:51,161 Speaker 1: it gives you a deeper capacity for compassion and understanding 358 00:19:51,201 --> 00:19:55,041 Speaker 1: of others, because it's really hard to understand what someone 359 00:19:55,041 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: else has experienced and gone through when you literally can't 360 00:19:57,681 --> 00:20:01,281 Speaker 1: understand it. And I think that is a beautiful gift 361 00:20:01,441 --> 00:20:02,961 Speaker 1: to be able to give people. 362 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,881 Speaker 2: So interestingly they're Our relationship with our family members can 363 00:20:07,921 --> 00:20:11,561 Speaker 2: set this baseline or blueprint for how much love we 364 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,801 Speaker 2: experience in our lives. So if you think about the 365 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 2: life loos, synergy and the love that you're getting from 366 00:20:17,321 --> 00:20:19,321 Speaker 2: your parents, you meant to be getting lots of love 367 00:20:19,681 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 2: from your mum behind you on your left and your 368 00:20:21,801 --> 00:20:25,201 Speaker 2: dad behind you on your right. That is like how 369 00:20:25,281 --> 00:20:28,281 Speaker 2: we experience the world as well. So if there is 370 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 2: like this is really interesting. So for instance, some people 371 00:20:33,201 --> 00:20:36,121 Speaker 2: have like a burst of love that they experience from 372 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:41,521 Speaker 2: their mother and then nothing, and then that experience creates 373 00:20:41,561 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: a feast or famine kind of energy, and then that 374 00:20:44,281 --> 00:20:47,721 Speaker 2: translates into other things like how you experience money in 375 00:20:47,761 --> 00:20:50,321 Speaker 2: your life, Like maybe then you get like bulk amounts 376 00:20:50,321 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 2: of money and then there's nothing for ages. And so 377 00:20:54,400 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 2: our relationships with our family can create particular dynamics in 378 00:21:00,561 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 2: our lives like that stop go feast or famine energy 379 00:21:04,801 --> 00:21:08,241 Speaker 2: or it's like that you only ever get just enough 380 00:21:08,281 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 2: to get by. Yeah, you know there are things like 381 00:21:12,001 --> 00:21:14,801 Speaker 2: that that come up and that get healed in family 382 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:21,041 Speaker 2: constellation therapy because it's just so intertwined. It's like, you know, 383 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,961 Speaker 2: we're meant to receive love and lifeless energy from source 384 00:21:24,241 --> 00:21:26,561 Speaker 2: from the divine and from Earth, and then we're also 385 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 2: meant to receive it from our family assistance. And if 386 00:21:28,721 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: you're not getting it from if there's not that free 387 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 2: flow of love and support coming through from mum and 388 00:21:33,961 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: dad and everyone else, like you've kind of got like 389 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:38,281 Speaker 2: one lead cut off. 390 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: Yes, that makes so much sense. I mean I always 391 00:21:42,481 --> 00:21:47,561 Speaker 1: even think about how like the role of a parent 392 00:21:47,961 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: and a child to me reminds me of like say 393 00:21:53,201 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: spirit team to me, And I remember having that moment 394 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,321 Speaker 1: I think I've spoken about this on the podcast one 395 00:22:00,321 --> 00:22:03,281 Speaker 1: time where I was like telling one of my children, like, 396 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: don't touch that that's hot, and they going why and 397 00:22:06,441 --> 00:22:08,801 Speaker 1: I'm like, just trust me, like I've just I've been 398 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,241 Speaker 1: on earth longer than you. I can. 399 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: I just know. 400 00:22:11,761 --> 00:22:15,761 Speaker 1: And then my guide, like my spirit team, was just like, ah, 401 00:22:15,801 --> 00:22:19,721 Speaker 1: interesting perspective that you have there, that you have seen 402 00:22:19,801 --> 00:22:22,241 Speaker 1: more and you can see more and you're just trying 403 00:22:22,281 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: to guide, You're not trying to like and I just 404 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,041 Speaker 1: in that moment, I was like, that's so interesting because 405 00:22:28,041 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: I even look at my children, like my children now 406 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: I haven't say like if they really want something, to 407 00:22:34,281 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: say it out loud and let us know, because mommy 408 00:22:37,441 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 1: and Daddy might we can't maybe make it happen. But 409 00:22:40,801 --> 00:22:43,521 Speaker 1: because we know about it, we can help you. We 410 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,441 Speaker 1: can guide you as much as we can, and we're 411 00:22:45,441 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: going to do whatever we can to empower you with 412 00:22:48,481 --> 00:22:50,561 Speaker 1: that goal or whatever it is. And there's so many 413 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: moments that I see that the relationship from spirit to 414 00:22:53,521 --> 00:22:57,001 Speaker 1: us is really similar that very much the same as 415 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,041 Speaker 1: parent to child. 416 00:22:58,681 --> 00:23:02,281 Speaker 2: Yes, and also like you know, with our relationship to 417 00:23:02,321 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 2: the divine is also like connected to our relationship to 418 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 2: our parents for instance. So you know I said that 419 00:23:08,761 --> 00:23:11,921 Speaker 2: relationship is like a baseline, a set point. You know, 420 00:23:12,001 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 2: how much love we can receive from our family is 421 00:23:16,481 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 2: also very similar to how much love we can receive 422 00:23:19,041 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 2: from source or you know, your spirit guides. And so 423 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 2: how we feel about ourselves is really affected by our 424 00:23:25,481 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 2: relationship with our parents and how much love, like are 425 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,681 Speaker 2: we freely receiving from them, Because when we don't freely 426 00:23:31,761 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 2: receive heaps of love from our parents, unconditional love, it 427 00:23:35,241 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 2: makes us feel like there's something wrong about ourselves. Yeah, 428 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,041 Speaker 2: and so this self esteem thing really like forbades the 429 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 2: whole rest of our life. But it also makes a 430 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 2: big difference in how we can receive how can we 431 00:23:48,921 --> 00:23:51,521 Speaker 2: receive love, and how can we receive light and how 432 00:23:51,561 --> 00:23:55,321 Speaker 2: can we receive support from our spirit team. Yes, so 433 00:23:55,721 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 2: it is when we get into this space of opening 434 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:02,201 Speaker 2: up love and life wor synergy within you, we're also 435 00:24:02,281 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 2: opening up your ability to receive We're also we're on 436 00:24:05,761 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 2: your self esteem and how you feel about yourself like 437 00:24:08,241 --> 00:24:11,801 Speaker 2: it's just so deep. And the cool thing is that, 438 00:24:11,921 --> 00:24:15,561 Speaker 2: like we do a constellation session family constellation session, and 439 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,441 Speaker 2: you get these immediate like lightness or strength or feeling 440 00:24:19,521 --> 00:24:22,681 Speaker 2: uplifted or whatever you get, and then it takes six 441 00:24:22,721 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 2: months for the session to fully integrate. So and we 442 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 2: do like layer that with session upon session upon session. 443 00:24:30,201 --> 00:24:33,161 Speaker 2: You get this beautiful cumulative effect over time where things 444 00:24:33,201 --> 00:24:36,001 Speaker 2: just kept getting better and better. It's gorgeous. That's so. 445 00:24:36,041 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: There's so many things that you just like that you 446 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: were saying then that I hadn't real like aha moments 447 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,961 Speaker 1: about There was one I watched this video one time, 448 00:24:44,201 --> 00:24:45,961 Speaker 1: I don't know on TikTok, and I wish I could 449 00:24:46,001 --> 00:24:48,281 Speaker 1: remember the creator. But she was this young woman who 450 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:51,281 Speaker 1: was saying that she was someone who was like for 451 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: better like lack of a better term, gentle parented like 452 00:24:54,281 --> 00:24:57,921 Speaker 1: her parents. She said, I just had wonderful parent They 453 00:24:58,041 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: never made me feel like I was a bother. I 454 00:25:00,921 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: always felt so hurt. They just they worked really hard 455 00:25:04,441 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: on like being really good parents. And she said the 456 00:25:08,041 --> 00:25:12,001 Speaker 1: voice in my head was my parent's voice. And she said, 457 00:25:12,481 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: you know how people talk about like the self esteem 458 00:25:16,281 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: voice the voice that sits there and goes, You're not 459 00:25:17,961 --> 00:25:20,321 Speaker 1: good enough, you could never do that, or like, you know, 460 00:25:20,921 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: you've got to try. You know that voice, the voice 461 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: that just sits there and cock blocks us from life 462 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: and tells us how shit we are at everything. She's like, 463 00:25:28,001 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: I realized, I just my voice, the internal voice was 464 00:25:30,921 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: so different to my friend. And she goes, because the 465 00:25:33,721 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: voice in my head are my parents' voices telling me 466 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,521 Speaker 1: everything that I'm great at, how I'm capable of doing 467 00:25:40,521 --> 00:25:42,921 Speaker 1: anything that I want. And there were just so many 468 00:25:42,961 --> 00:25:45,321 Speaker 1: things that I went that is so beautiful. The concept 469 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:47,321 Speaker 1: that she said, like that voice in her head was 470 00:25:47,321 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: actually her parents, and it just made me really think about, 471 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,561 Speaker 1: you know, how I'm parenting my own child like children, 472 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,521 Speaker 1: and even when you're talking about receiving before and like 473 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: how we receive like how we receive love, how we 474 00:26:02,681 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: receive from spirit, and like it is really like I 475 00:26:06,201 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 1: even thought about, you know, if you're used to needing 476 00:26:09,681 --> 00:26:13,001 Speaker 1: to do something to get love, or like if I 477 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: want love, I need to be really really successful. Like 478 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,721 Speaker 1: this was something that even just came up last week 479 00:26:18,721 --> 00:26:21,041 Speaker 1: and a healing for me. And I just have this 480 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,521 Speaker 1: like obsession like I'm like, I'm never I'm never there, 481 00:26:23,561 --> 00:26:26,001 Speaker 1: I'm never successful, I've never reached that goal and I'm 482 00:26:26,481 --> 00:26:30,041 Speaker 1: and my heeler was just like, well, how did you 483 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,361 Speaker 1: receive it as a child, Like what did you need 484 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,041 Speaker 1: to do? And I'm like, well, I was an overach 485 00:26:34,281 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: like if I performed, if I did well, if I 486 00:26:36,201 --> 00:26:38,961 Speaker 1: did well at school, if I was the best at things, 487 00:26:39,041 --> 00:26:41,521 Speaker 1: and then I would receive the accolades and I would 488 00:26:41,561 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: receive the well done. And she's like, well, there you go, 489 00:26:45,041 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: you know, Like, so there's so many it just it 490 00:26:47,761 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: really does make so much sense that so much of 491 00:26:50,721 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 1: us now and it's so interesting how it comes out anyways, 492 00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: and you might sit there like even me, I'm like, 493 00:26:56,201 --> 00:27:00,120 Speaker 1: I've healed so many things and like but it's almost 494 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,241 Speaker 1: like the more that you have, the more that you haven't. 495 00:27:02,321 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: It's like the more that you know, the more you 496 00:27:04,521 --> 00:27:06,681 Speaker 1: realize you don't don't know, oh. 497 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 2: One hundred percent, I've been doing this, but like the 498 00:27:09,281 --> 00:27:12,281 Speaker 2: same you know, as you like decades, and I realize 499 00:27:12,281 --> 00:27:13,041 Speaker 2: I know nothing. 500 00:27:13,321 --> 00:27:17,561 Speaker 1: I know nothing, which is a beautiful humbling thing. 501 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 2: Yes it is, it is. But also yeah, like a 502 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 2: lot of people that come to me have done so 503 00:27:23,761 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 2: many different types of healing and different modalities, like I 504 00:27:27,281 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 2: hadn't like I just want it fixed, Like yeah, it's. 505 00:27:31,281 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: Shit, And does that what it is? That what it 506 00:27:33,521 --> 00:27:37,161 Speaker 1: feels like for you? Do you feel like, like what 507 00:27:37,201 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 1: does fixed feel like? 508 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 2: Fixed feels like it doesn't bother you anymore, Like you 509 00:27:41,921 --> 00:27:45,161 Speaker 2: don't have an emotional charge to something connected to your 510 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,561 Speaker 2: parents or your birth family, or just the things that 511 00:27:47,561 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 2: have been holding you back just gone like they're not 512 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 2: there anymore. You don't think about it anymore, or like 513 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:56,441 Speaker 2: you may have felt unsafe in the world and it's 514 00:27:56,521 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 2: just sort of disappeared because it's there, you know, Like 515 00:28:00,281 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 2: it's the things that have been bothering you. Go from 516 00:28:03,561 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 2: having a negative charge to a mutual charge, and then 517 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 2: you can move into a positive charge as well. That 518 00:28:09,241 --> 00:28:13,481 Speaker 2: sounds very I think cliche, doesn't it. But you can 519 00:28:13,561 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 2: move through these things so you can get like the 520 00:28:16,241 --> 00:28:18,521 Speaker 2: benefit and all of the goodness that your family can 521 00:28:18,561 --> 00:28:21,041 Speaker 2: offer you, and then you can just leave the rest behind. 522 00:28:22,321 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: I love that so much. Some guy I'm interested to 523 00:28:25,041 --> 00:28:27,321 Speaker 1: know is like, because I'm sure there are people listening 524 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:31,561 Speaker 1: to this who maybe they're maybe they're adopted, maybe they 525 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: have adopted maybe their family was created in not going 526 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: to say unconventional ways, just different ways, because families can 527 00:28:39,481 --> 00:28:42,601 Speaker 1: be created in so many beautiful, amazing in any ways. 528 00:28:43,401 --> 00:28:46,521 Speaker 1: So like, what how does that work? 529 00:28:47,841 --> 00:28:51,561 Speaker 2: We do the work with your biological parents first to 530 00:28:51,641 --> 00:28:54,161 Speaker 2: begin with, but then the other parents get to have 531 00:28:54,201 --> 00:28:56,961 Speaker 2: a place too, So say if you've got two mums 532 00:28:57,121 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 2: or you can save with a sperm downer, like we 533 00:29:00,561 --> 00:29:02,881 Speaker 2: bring in the biological parents, but then you get to 534 00:29:02,921 --> 00:29:07,641 Speaker 2: have like everyone there and the closest from a family 535 00:29:07,761 --> 00:29:14,081 Speaker 2: consolation perspective, the major influences, like the most significant influences 536 00:29:14,081 --> 00:29:19,481 Speaker 2: are through the biological parents. Yeah, but then like everyone 537 00:29:19,521 --> 00:29:20,881 Speaker 2: gets a place in the family. 538 00:29:22,001 --> 00:29:24,521 Speaker 1: So it's like the family just is bigger. It's just 539 00:29:24,561 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: like you're working with like everyone, which I think is 540 00:29:27,481 --> 00:29:28,121 Speaker 1: so beautiful. 541 00:29:28,321 --> 00:29:30,321 Speaker 2: I think it gets to be inclusive, you know. And 542 00:29:30,881 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 2: this reminds me of something as well, like sometimes in 543 00:29:33,881 --> 00:29:38,161 Speaker 2: people's patterns, of people's family systems, they have people dying 544 00:29:38,201 --> 00:29:41,361 Speaker 2: at a young age, and so like it could be 545 00:29:41,441 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 2: from cancer, it could be you know, suicide or like 546 00:29:45,681 --> 00:29:49,561 Speaker 2: you know, sometimes I get it like men in families 547 00:29:49,641 --> 00:29:53,121 Speaker 2: dying at a young age or like suicide tendencies. And 548 00:29:53,161 --> 00:29:56,721 Speaker 2: then you can see even with my clients sometimes at 549 00:29:56,801 --> 00:30:00,521 Speaker 2: particular ages when other family members have died at that age, 550 00:30:00,641 --> 00:30:05,081 Speaker 2: I have suicide idealization or like there's a feeling, a 551 00:30:05,321 --> 00:30:09,561 Speaker 2: dynamic of moving towards death, and it's really fascinating. So 552 00:30:10,241 --> 00:30:13,881 Speaker 2: we also work on like making sure that anyone who's 553 00:30:13,921 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 2: died or died at a young age particularly has a 554 00:30:17,521 --> 00:30:19,921 Speaker 2: place in the family system that they belong and they're 555 00:30:19,921 --> 00:30:23,681 Speaker 2: a part of this they're not missing in a family anymore. 556 00:30:24,281 --> 00:30:28,121 Speaker 2: And that's really super duper healing for people who like 557 00:30:28,641 --> 00:30:31,121 Speaker 2: lost a brother or in a car accident at a 558 00:30:31,161 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 2: young age, or you know, have suicided or really beautiful 559 00:30:36,801 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 2: because you know, then when we do that family consolation therapy, 560 00:30:41,281 --> 00:30:45,241 Speaker 2: it like opens up connection with them as a spirit too, 561 00:30:45,441 --> 00:30:47,801 Speaker 2: Like it's then we go into that place which is 562 00:30:47,921 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 2: really super cool. Like I have a couple of people 563 00:30:52,441 --> 00:30:55,921 Speaker 2: who have like their husbands or spouses have died, and 564 00:30:56,521 --> 00:30:59,761 Speaker 2: you know, it's a huge obviously has a huge impact 565 00:30:59,761 --> 00:31:04,361 Speaker 2: on people's lives and they get to still be a 566 00:31:04,401 --> 00:31:07,361 Speaker 2: part of the family. And when we do that healing, 567 00:31:07,401 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 2: it's just so loving. Everyone feels like everything's right in 568 00:31:10,521 --> 00:31:14,041 Speaker 2: the world again because they're together even though they're not together, 569 00:31:14,041 --> 00:31:18,281 Speaker 2: they're together. They're together as much as we can here 570 00:31:18,321 --> 00:31:20,761 Speaker 2: on earth. Wow, that's really special. 571 00:31:21,601 --> 00:31:24,841 Speaker 1: So how did you get from doing the like the 572 00:31:24,881 --> 00:31:29,921 Speaker 1: family constellation stuff to because you create you you design 573 00:31:30,041 --> 00:31:33,841 Speaker 1: during and create jewelry. I'm so intrigued. I'm like looking 574 00:31:33,881 --> 00:31:35,601 Speaker 1: at the sign behind you and I'm like, it looks 575 00:31:35,601 --> 00:31:38,801 Speaker 1: so gorgeous. I'm so intrigued. How did you move into that? 576 00:31:39,361 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 2: It's really fun and really funny. Actually, so let me 577 00:31:42,641 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 2: just give a little bit of context to my energy 578 00:31:44,881 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 2: healing works. Oh, yes, Like I do family constellation therapy, 579 00:31:48,561 --> 00:31:51,001 Speaker 2: but then I also do other energy and emotional healing 580 00:31:51,001 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 2: that comes along with that. I found like how to 581 00:31:53,601 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 2: sort of weave it all together and make it a 582 00:31:56,281 --> 00:32:03,241 Speaker 2: really beautiful effective process. So since I started my healing business, 583 00:32:03,681 --> 00:32:06,161 Speaker 2: there was that crossroad, that moment in time where I 584 00:32:06,201 --> 00:32:08,601 Speaker 2: was like, I just have to follow my intuition. Like 585 00:32:08,681 --> 00:32:11,601 Speaker 2: I'm just going to follow my intuition all the time now. 586 00:32:11,961 --> 00:32:15,601 Speaker 2: And so I've had eight years of solidly following my intuition. 587 00:32:16,521 --> 00:32:19,401 Speaker 2: We moved from the western suburbs of Melbourne down to 588 00:32:19,681 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 2: the morning to Peninsula to the beach, and before we moved, 589 00:32:23,281 --> 00:32:25,081 Speaker 2: I could feel that there was something that wanted to 590 00:32:25,081 --> 00:32:28,601 Speaker 2: come through me. Have you ever had that, Mickey, where like, yeah, 591 00:32:28,841 --> 00:32:30,921 Speaker 2: you're like you know that there's something you meant to 592 00:32:30,921 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 2: be creating, and there's this feeling like kind of like, 593 00:32:34,041 --> 00:32:35,921 Speaker 2: I don't know, being spiritually pregnant. 594 00:32:36,201 --> 00:32:41,201 Speaker 1: Yeah, like yes, I love that. 595 00:32:41,401 --> 00:32:43,921 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm about to burst something. Don't know what the 596 00:32:43,921 --> 00:32:46,321 Speaker 2: fuck it is, but okay, here we go. So we 597 00:32:46,561 --> 00:32:49,361 Speaker 2: I could feel that we sold the house, we bought 598 00:32:49,361 --> 00:32:52,281 Speaker 2: the land, we've moved houses, blah blah blah. Got to 599 00:32:52,321 --> 00:32:55,841 Speaker 2: the peninsula and I was like, finally, Okay, we're a 600 00:32:55,841 --> 00:32:58,361 Speaker 2: couple of months in. I'm gonna like tune in and 601 00:32:58,401 --> 00:33:02,361 Speaker 2: see what happens. Lo and behold. I had no idea 602 00:33:02,441 --> 00:33:04,841 Speaker 2: that a whole new business wanted to come in and 603 00:33:05,201 --> 00:33:09,241 Speaker 2: was just intuitively brought in like divine downloads, like flashing 604 00:33:09,401 --> 00:33:14,041 Speaker 2: visions coming through one after the other. Amazing mate healer 605 00:33:14,281 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 2: and mentor at the time, and she said to me, like, 606 00:33:16,761 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 2: what does your business want to sell? And before I 607 00:33:19,761 --> 00:33:24,361 Speaker 2: could even think about it this, the word product products 608 00:33:24,401 --> 00:33:27,681 Speaker 2: came up and I was like, I paused, and I 609 00:33:27,721 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 2: didn't even want to say it out loud, and I 610 00:33:30,321 --> 00:33:32,281 Speaker 2: just couldn't believe it because I thought I'd found my 611 00:33:32,401 --> 00:33:34,681 Speaker 2: lot in life doing energy healing work. Like I just 612 00:33:34,721 --> 00:33:36,961 Speaker 2: thought I was always going to be a service based business. 613 00:33:37,321 --> 00:33:41,241 Speaker 2: I'd stied way clear of MLMs and all the different 614 00:33:41,281 --> 00:33:43,321 Speaker 2: things that people tried to wrote me into to sell 615 00:33:43,401 --> 00:33:45,641 Speaker 2: their products. I was like, no, no, no, not for me. 616 00:33:46,361 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 2: And then I got this vision of my So I 617 00:33:49,481 --> 00:33:53,601 Speaker 2: was out in the stars, you know, good old meditation, yeahs, 618 00:33:54,241 --> 00:33:57,601 Speaker 2: And I see this hand and I saw a color 619 00:33:57,681 --> 00:34:00,401 Speaker 2: doan stone rings slide onto someone's ring finger, and I 620 00:34:00,401 --> 00:34:05,961 Speaker 2: saw energy rippling up their arms into like into their body, 621 00:34:06,081 --> 00:34:08,721 Speaker 2: and then their light just went being and turned on, 622 00:34:08,921 --> 00:34:11,841 Speaker 2: and I was like, what the fuck is this? And 623 00:34:11,881 --> 00:34:16,681 Speaker 2: then I saw like all these like I started making rings, 624 00:34:17,041 --> 00:34:19,361 Speaker 2: like started with working rings in my business. I saw 625 00:34:19,361 --> 00:34:21,761 Speaker 2: all these rings being made out of Melbourne and like 626 00:34:22,001 --> 00:34:25,561 Speaker 2: shipping out to like all across the world. And then 627 00:34:25,681 --> 00:34:30,401 Speaker 2: I saw that each of these pieces of jewelry created 628 00:34:30,481 --> 00:34:34,201 Speaker 2: a grid around Mother Earth. And so now I have 629 00:34:34,321 --> 00:34:37,881 Speaker 2: like this goal or mission, and I don't even know 630 00:34:37,881 --> 00:34:39,761 Speaker 2: how I'm going to measure it, but to create the 631 00:34:39,801 --> 00:34:44,361 Speaker 2: world's largest crystal grid using all of our jewelry and 632 00:34:44,601 --> 00:34:46,841 Speaker 2: the purpose of the greed is to support the ascension 633 00:34:46,921 --> 00:34:50,321 Speaker 2: of the planet of Mother Earth. So let me go 634 00:34:50,401 --> 00:34:53,841 Speaker 2: back a couple of steps. Now, Yes, I basically it's 635 00:34:53,841 --> 00:34:56,921 Speaker 2: a full custom process where the first step in the 636 00:34:56,961 --> 00:34:59,921 Speaker 2: process is well, people can have free energy readings with 637 00:35:00,041 --> 00:35:03,641 Speaker 2: me actually, and I like read your energy field, tell 638 00:35:03,681 --> 00:35:06,721 Speaker 2: you what colors are in your field and what it 639 00:35:06,721 --> 00:35:09,321 Speaker 2: all means. And then I try on gemstones to see 640 00:35:09,601 --> 00:35:12,081 Speaker 2: what would be the perfect match that really like hing 641 00:35:12,241 --> 00:35:16,401 Speaker 2: turn your light on, so do that, which I'm I'm 642 00:35:16,441 --> 00:35:18,241 Speaker 2: happy to give you one too, Mickey if you're like, 643 00:35:18,321 --> 00:35:24,161 Speaker 2: oh my god, yes. And then when people decide like 644 00:35:24,281 --> 00:35:25,881 Speaker 2: oh my god, don't know, I fucking have to have 645 00:35:25,961 --> 00:35:28,761 Speaker 2: one of these pieces of drawer, which is what happens. 646 00:35:28,801 --> 00:35:30,921 Speaker 2: People just know whether they're meant to have one or not. 647 00:35:31,841 --> 00:35:34,161 Speaker 2: Then I take them through a blossom session and it's 648 00:35:34,161 --> 00:35:36,961 Speaker 2: a deep dive session for you to connect with your 649 00:35:37,001 --> 00:35:39,481 Speaker 2: soul in a way that you probably never have before. 650 00:35:40,281 --> 00:35:43,041 Speaker 2: We feel what does your soul want for you and 651 00:35:43,121 --> 00:35:46,321 Speaker 2: what does it want to express for you, and you 652 00:35:46,441 --> 00:35:49,681 Speaker 2: get this visceral experience of who you are as that 653 00:35:49,801 --> 00:35:54,321 Speaker 2: soulful being and with that feeling, with that vibration, then 654 00:35:54,361 --> 00:35:56,721 Speaker 2: I go off and oh, and you get a divine 655 00:35:56,721 --> 00:35:59,241 Speaker 2: download in that session of like is it a ring, 656 00:35:59,361 --> 00:36:02,201 Speaker 2: is it a pendent? What colors stone? Is it? Like 657 00:36:02,321 --> 00:36:04,641 Speaker 2: that kind of thing, And then I go off and 658 00:36:04,681 --> 00:36:07,281 Speaker 2: into it. If we choose dem stones for you, I 659 00:36:07,401 --> 00:36:10,201 Speaker 2: bring them back. That's why I call them soulmate stones, 660 00:36:10,281 --> 00:36:14,001 Speaker 2: because people just like they either stopped talking, get really quiet, 661 00:36:14,081 --> 00:36:15,721 Speaker 2: or they get a big grin on their face or 662 00:36:15,721 --> 00:36:18,441 Speaker 2: they cry or like they're like it's doing something to 663 00:36:18,521 --> 00:36:22,601 Speaker 2: my heart. I'm like, yep, it's just beautiful. And then 664 00:36:22,681 --> 00:36:26,561 Speaker 2: we go through a process of designing your piece of jewelry. 665 00:36:26,761 --> 00:36:29,641 Speaker 2: And I have an incredible jeweler who's been making jewelry 666 00:36:29,681 --> 00:36:32,601 Speaker 2: for over thirty years. The pieces are designed to be 667 00:36:32,681 --> 00:36:36,361 Speaker 2: heirloom pieces, so they're handed down from generation to generation. 668 00:36:37,001 --> 00:36:39,881 Speaker 2: They get the essence of your soul magic and they 669 00:36:39,881 --> 00:36:44,161 Speaker 2: get all of your love when they're these pieces handed down. 670 00:36:45,121 --> 00:36:49,001 Speaker 1: Oh that gives me like, especially as someone who like 671 00:36:49,161 --> 00:36:52,161 Speaker 1: read you know, and I guess like you'd understand this too, 672 00:36:52,801 --> 00:36:56,081 Speaker 1: because often like a piece of jewelry. So if someone 673 00:36:56,281 --> 00:36:58,321 Speaker 1: gives me a piece of jewelry from like their nanna 674 00:36:58,641 --> 00:37:01,281 Speaker 1: or their mum or the grandmother or something like that 675 00:37:01,281 --> 00:37:04,281 Speaker 1: them straight away. You like, there's so much in that 676 00:37:04,681 --> 00:37:07,841 Speaker 1: and be a really helpful tool because it holds so 677 00:37:07,921 --> 00:37:10,641 Speaker 1: much of their energy and then memory. 678 00:37:10,721 --> 00:37:15,321 Speaker 2: So when you're doing that's right, so you're doing psychometry readings, yeah, 679 00:37:15,601 --> 00:37:20,001 Speaker 2: when you're holding those, and that's exactly what happens. Like 680 00:37:20,121 --> 00:37:22,161 Speaker 2: I've got my ring and I wear it and it 681 00:37:22,201 --> 00:37:25,401 Speaker 2: has a specific mission for me, but also all of 682 00:37:25,401 --> 00:37:28,121 Speaker 2: my energy is now like intertwined, and as I'm wearing it, 683 00:37:28,121 --> 00:37:30,161 Speaker 2: more and more like there's more of me in this ring. 684 00:37:30,881 --> 00:37:34,121 Speaker 2: Like I had this gorgeous amethyst ring from my nanna 685 00:37:34,481 --> 00:37:36,481 Speaker 2: and I used to love wearing it because I felt 686 00:37:36,481 --> 00:37:38,961 Speaker 2: like we were close. I could feel her around me 687 00:37:39,001 --> 00:37:42,881 Speaker 2: when I wore that piece of jewelry. So even though 688 00:37:42,961 --> 00:37:47,041 Speaker 2: it's custom made for your soul, it's every piece a 689 00:37:47,081 --> 00:37:51,041 Speaker 2: specific mission, a specific purpose, and even when it's passed 690 00:37:51,041 --> 00:37:55,361 Speaker 2: down or passed on, that gets that gift as well 691 00:37:55,401 --> 00:37:59,921 Speaker 2: as you your essence. And so also I have made 692 00:37:59,921 --> 00:38:02,801 Speaker 2: an engagement ring before, which was just wild and like 693 00:38:02,841 --> 00:38:06,001 Speaker 2: the most beautiful experience, and it was a surprise for 694 00:38:06,081 --> 00:38:08,561 Speaker 2: her as well as she didn't know and she like 695 00:38:08,841 --> 00:38:13,401 Speaker 2: absolutely loves her ring like it was how instead of 696 00:38:13,441 --> 00:38:17,641 Speaker 2: it being like about so the ring acts on her 697 00:38:17,721 --> 00:38:20,201 Speaker 2: soul and we connected into her soul, but it also 698 00:38:20,361 --> 00:38:26,881 Speaker 2: represents the love of the relationship, and the ring tells 699 00:38:26,881 --> 00:38:29,321 Speaker 2: a story about their relationship, from the time that they 700 00:38:29,401 --> 00:38:33,481 Speaker 2: met to their happy places along the way and the 701 00:38:33,521 --> 00:38:37,001 Speaker 2: next chapter of their lives. It's just it was so gorgeous. 702 00:38:37,001 --> 00:38:41,281 Speaker 2: I cried the whole way through making that so beautiful. 703 00:38:41,721 --> 00:38:44,841 Speaker 2: I'm ready. I'm waiting for someone else to say, come 704 00:38:44,881 --> 00:38:46,601 Speaker 2: on down, I want an engage with ring. I'm like, 705 00:38:46,761 --> 00:38:49,521 Speaker 2: I can't wait. I am ready for the next one. 706 00:38:49,601 --> 00:38:53,881 Speaker 2: But interestingly, I have a lot of people Miki choose 707 00:38:53,961 --> 00:38:55,801 Speaker 2: to buy the jewry for themselves. 708 00:38:56,121 --> 00:38:56,561 Speaker 1: I love that. 709 00:38:56,841 --> 00:39:00,801 Speaker 2: I actually love them given as gifts. Yeah, it is. 710 00:39:01,321 --> 00:39:03,201 Speaker 2: I've heard people say to me like, I've never spent 711 00:39:03,281 --> 00:39:05,361 Speaker 2: this much money on myself. I've never bought my stuff 712 00:39:05,361 --> 00:39:08,481 Speaker 2: anything like this before. Most people, most of my customers 713 00:39:08,561 --> 00:39:12,601 Speaker 2: are not jewelry people per se. They just have this 714 00:39:12,721 --> 00:39:14,721 Speaker 2: soul calling that they know they're meant to have one. 715 00:39:14,881 --> 00:39:16,881 Speaker 1: I love that set because I'm not a dreary person. 716 00:39:17,201 --> 00:39:19,401 Speaker 1: I wear like I don't even wear my engagement ring 717 00:39:19,481 --> 00:39:21,841 Speaker 1: because I don't know, Like, I just will take it 718 00:39:21,881 --> 00:39:24,801 Speaker 1: off and I'm not, and I'm I'm I'm actually that 719 00:39:24,881 --> 00:39:29,481 Speaker 1: to lie. I'm not a sentimental person, but I but 720 00:39:29,561 --> 00:39:32,041 Speaker 1: i'm if I know it's like good for my soul, 721 00:39:34,601 --> 00:39:36,801 Speaker 1: then I'm like, I'm like, oh, when it's got energetics 722 00:39:36,801 --> 00:39:39,841 Speaker 1: and it's got this is that Yeah that's different. But yeah, 723 00:39:39,841 --> 00:39:43,761 Speaker 1: I'm not a sentimental person, but I love like, yes, Okay, 724 00:39:43,801 --> 00:39:45,721 Speaker 1: I love that so much, and I love that people 725 00:39:45,721 --> 00:39:47,801 Speaker 1: are getting it for themselves and because that to me, 726 00:39:48,041 --> 00:39:50,081 Speaker 1: like you know, I think an engagement ring is a 727 00:39:50,081 --> 00:39:52,161 Speaker 1: beautiful thing and the intention of it and I love 728 00:39:52,201 --> 00:39:56,161 Speaker 1: you and blah blah blah, but like what's more special 729 00:39:56,201 --> 00:39:57,161 Speaker 1: than like from me? 730 00:39:57,321 --> 00:40:01,761 Speaker 2: To me, it's like the ultimate act of self love. Yes, 731 00:40:02,001 --> 00:40:05,561 Speaker 2: because it enhances your soul and it enhances your experience 732 00:40:05,561 --> 00:40:08,121 Speaker 2: of life on this planet and its support. Like I 733 00:40:08,161 --> 00:40:11,041 Speaker 2: feel like they act as north stars for our life 734 00:40:11,241 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 2: and where we're moving to. Like ay, I can work 735 00:40:14,641 --> 00:40:18,841 Speaker 2: magic on people. So it is this, like it's it's 736 00:40:18,921 --> 00:40:22,121 Speaker 2: like a commitment ring to your own soul. Really love 737 00:40:22,201 --> 00:40:23,121 Speaker 2: that so much. 738 00:40:23,921 --> 00:40:27,481 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much, Donna for chatting to me, 739 00:40:28,001 --> 00:40:32,361 Speaker 1: for talking, for educating me, and for teaching me all 740 00:40:32,401 --> 00:40:36,081 Speaker 1: about this. Like family constellation and the jewelry and everything. 741 00:40:36,401 --> 00:40:40,001 Speaker 1: I'm like already so interested to dive into all of 742 00:40:40,041 --> 00:40:42,681 Speaker 1: that stuff. And it really is such like an AHA 743 00:40:42,681 --> 00:40:45,241 Speaker 1: moment with all the family thing, and I think it 744 00:40:45,281 --> 00:40:47,841 Speaker 1: probably will be for so many other people as well, 745 00:40:48,321 --> 00:40:50,481 Speaker 1: listening going like, oh my god, that would be so 746 00:40:50,601 --> 00:40:54,081 Speaker 1: effing helpful because I sit there trying to I think 747 00:40:54,121 --> 00:40:55,841 Speaker 1: with family, like a lot of the time, the thing 748 00:40:55,881 --> 00:40:58,881 Speaker 1: that we struggle with the most is that people. We 749 00:40:58,921 --> 00:41:01,681 Speaker 1: can't control other people, and people aren't being who we 750 00:41:01,761 --> 00:41:04,001 Speaker 1: need them to be because they can't be because we 751 00:41:04,041 --> 00:41:06,801 Speaker 1: can't force anyone to to be or do anything. But 752 00:41:06,881 --> 00:41:09,001 Speaker 1: to be able to bring that power back to ourselves 753 00:41:09,081 --> 00:41:11,801 Speaker 1: and to be able to sort of heal those relationships 754 00:41:11,841 --> 00:41:15,361 Speaker 1: and understand those relationships on a real energetic level, I 755 00:41:15,401 --> 00:41:17,681 Speaker 1: think will be really freeing for a lot of people. 756 00:41:18,201 --> 00:41:20,681 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the fact that you get your emotional needs 757 00:41:20,681 --> 00:41:22,921 Speaker 2: in't it? You can get what you need without that 758 00:41:22,961 --> 00:41:25,801 Speaker 2: person having to change. Yes, it's beautiful. 759 00:41:26,281 --> 00:41:30,161 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much. How can people find you? Like, 760 00:41:30,201 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: where can they buy your jury? Where can they book 761 00:41:32,561 --> 00:41:33,081 Speaker 1: a session? 762 00:41:33,721 --> 00:41:36,001 Speaker 2: Yes? So you can find me at Donna Wallace dot 763 00:41:36,041 --> 00:41:39,641 Speaker 2: com dot au. I'm also on Instagram as Donna Wallace Healer, 764 00:41:40,201 --> 00:41:42,761 Speaker 2: and you can check out my jewelry. There's a link 765 00:41:42,801 --> 00:41:45,441 Speaker 2: for my jewelry through my main website. I have a 766 00:41:45,441 --> 00:41:48,081 Speaker 2: whole other website that's called the House of Ryan dot 767 00:41:48,081 --> 00:41:51,401 Speaker 2: com dot au and an Instagram page for that as well. 768 00:41:51,521 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 2: So Instagram page is like my portfolio really and yeah, 769 00:41:58,081 --> 00:42:00,161 Speaker 2: you can come and book a read book a free 770 00:42:00,161 --> 00:42:02,601 Speaker 2: and into reading with me. If the jury is calling 771 00:42:03,121 --> 00:42:07,201 Speaker 2: your name, yeah, look me up. I'd love to connect. 772 00:42:07,481 --> 00:42:09,241 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Donna. 773 00:42:09,401 --> 00:42:12,761 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me Miki. It's been the best, amazing. 774 00:42:13,001 --> 00:42:22,321 Speaker 1: Thank you and we'll see you next week. Bye.