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Speaker 2: Then, hello Matthew, nice to be here.

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Speaker 1: Lovely to see you again. And you've written a new book,

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Speaker 1: mere Kat Mayhem, And I was just telling you I

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Where does the inspiration come up with me? It's not

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Speaker 2: Though none of none of my books is a big

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Speaker 2: this one. But it took three years to write, really, yeah,

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Speaker 2: But I was changing it five days before public, before

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and where is the Green Sheep?

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Speaker 2: Green Sheep Team. By the way, this Meerkat book is

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Speaker 2: We're pretty excited about that because you know, we've had

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Speaker 2: You know. Meerkat was famous for loving his food. That's good.

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Speaker 2: to be there, Matthew. Yes, the child's heart has to

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Speaker 1: the latest one, mere Cat Mayhem, it's available now. It's blue,

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Speaker 1: the mere Cat cheeky looking thing on the front cover.

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Speaker 1: He looks great. The savior of the piece, I want

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Speaker 2: Now, Yes, today, it comes out today.

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Speaker 1: Just wonder how many hearts you've made joyous over the

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Speaker 1: years through your books, it'd be hundreds of thousands, not more.

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Speaker 2: it's a warm feeling. It's a warm feeling.

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Speaker 2: I have, I have, I have, but my literary agent

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Speaker 2: what I'm doing here.

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Speaker 2: What happens if it never comes to anything?

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Speaker 1: Oh well, that's all right, you heard it? Yeah, exactly right.

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Speaker 1: All the best to your men. Lovely seeing you, and

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Speaker 1: and maybe the typewriter. Do you write with a typewriter?

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Speaker 2: I write, I write, I write lots of it. In

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Speaker 2: pencil four B four B. Pencil has to be four

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Speaker 2: it's very soft pencil four B. So when I get stuck,

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Speaker 2: I gove to four B and paper. And then when

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Speaker 2: I'm on the roll, then I move offices. I've got

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Speaker 2: you know, to the office. So I'm moving between the

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Speaker 2: two all the time. It's interesting. I think I need

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Speaker 2: to write with pencil and paper because of my age.

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Speaker 2: The brain works so well between the physical hand movement

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Speaker 2: and the thought. It's also slower. You can think more

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Speaker 2: clearly because you it's slower to handwright. Yes, so it's fascinating.

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Speaker 2: I find it fascinating. I'm at the computer and I

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Speaker 2: think that this is a moment for pencil and paper.

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Speaker 1: Really, yeah, that's interesting. On the computer, I mean, you

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Speaker 1: write something you don't like.

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Speaker 2: It, you just go to well, exactly delete leak the

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Speaker 2: leak exactly, I know, but it's different. And when I

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Speaker 2: am on the computer, I print out every single draft,

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Speaker 2: because sometimes when you delete, you've deleted a super line

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Speaker 2: that you want to use. Two days later, do you think,

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Speaker 2: what was that that I said done and I deleted.

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Speaker 1: It long word docs? Maybe that's the answer.

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Speaker 2: Matthew, thank you for do this. It was lovely, It

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Speaker 2: was a super interview.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so thank you for the time. Mikat Mayhem

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