1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Approache Production. 2 00:00:10,201 --> 00:00:14,121 Speaker 2: It's eleven thirty pm on Boxing Day in twenty twenty two. 3 00:00:14,561 --> 00:00:17,841 Speaker 2: Emma and her husband Lee have watched a movie and 4 00:00:17,881 --> 00:00:20,761 Speaker 2: they're fast asleep in their North Lake's home, just north 5 00:00:20,801 --> 00:00:25,961 Speaker 2: of Brisbane City. The two teenage girls are in their rooms. 6 00:00:27,641 --> 00:00:30,481 Speaker 2: They've got security cameras inside the house and some in 7 00:00:30,561 --> 00:00:34,001 Speaker 2: the driveway. There's one camera that can see the front door. 8 00:00:35,441 --> 00:00:39,041 Speaker 2: Emma wakes up first because they're two dogs are going wild, 9 00:00:39,241 --> 00:00:43,681 Speaker 2: barking really loud. She nudges Lee. He wakes up to 10 00:00:43,721 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: the glare of Emma's phone. She's looking at the security 11 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,921 Speaker 2: cameras and she notices that the front door is wide open. 12 00:00:51,881 --> 00:00:53,441 Speaker 3: And then you know, I see her on her phone 13 00:00:53,441 --> 00:00:58,041 Speaker 3: and she was like front doors open. And I didn't 14 00:00:58,081 --> 00:01:00,161 Speaker 3: I didn't even cross my mind that like someone was 15 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,721 Speaker 3: in the house. But I just want to get up 16 00:01:02,801 --> 00:01:04,561 Speaker 3: to shut the door, to make sure no one was 17 00:01:04,561 --> 00:01:07,961 Speaker 3: going to get house, because we had had issues at 18 00:01:08,041 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 3: least once or twice where you know, the door was 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 3: pushed to But you know, I suppose within the blink 20 00:01:13,121 --> 00:01:14,561 Speaker 3: of an eye timething, that's the thought that goes through 21 00:01:14,601 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 3: your mind, like just get up and close the door. 22 00:01:16,321 --> 00:01:20,401 Speaker 3: So yeah, sort of, you know, because my side had 23 00:01:20,401 --> 00:01:22,561 Speaker 3: the been I suppose it's slightly closer than them, as 24 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,961 Speaker 3: I suppose, but I think we both like rushed to 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,321 Speaker 3: the door, and it wasn't if she laid in bed. 26 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,161 Speaker 3: We both rushed to the door, and you know, I 27 00:01:30,161 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: opened up the bedroom door, and yeah, there was like 28 00:01:33,481 --> 00:01:37,161 Speaker 3: this guy sort of standing right in front of the 29 00:01:37,161 --> 00:01:39,921 Speaker 3: bedroom door. And then I remember seeing the second guy. 30 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,601 Speaker 3: He was in our living room where our sofa is, 31 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: and then he was then walking back towards the hallway 32 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,161 Speaker 3: or then coming back towards the hallway. So I don't know, 33 00:01:50,241 --> 00:01:53,801 Speaker 3: it's one of those things where you don't really think 34 00:01:53,841 --> 00:01:57,561 Speaker 3: about what you're doing. I don't think you really to 35 00:01:57,601 --> 00:01:59,401 Speaker 3: a risk assessment. What am I to do now? And 36 00:01:59,561 --> 00:02:01,961 Speaker 3: you know, you just sort of you act on impulse, 37 00:02:02,081 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 3: I think, and you know, you just sort of remember 38 00:02:04,321 --> 00:02:07,121 Speaker 3: trying to get the the one who's immediately by the 39 00:02:07,361 --> 00:02:08,441 Speaker 3: door like out of the house. 40 00:02:08,481 --> 00:02:11,761 Speaker 4: And did you see a weapon? Was there a weapon? 41 00:02:11,801 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 3: Not? You? No, No, Like I didn't even know till 42 00:02:14,161 --> 00:02:16,241 Speaker 3: long after that that there were like you know, obviously 43 00:02:16,321 --> 00:02:18,441 Speaker 3: they had a knife or obviously if I didn't even 44 00:02:18,481 --> 00:02:20,201 Speaker 3: know too A long time after that Emma had been hurt, 45 00:02:20,201 --> 00:02:23,681 Speaker 3: you know, so you know, you were just pushed him 46 00:02:23,721 --> 00:02:26,441 Speaker 3: out of the door, and there was a bit of 47 00:02:26,481 --> 00:02:32,161 Speaker 3: a scuffle by the door. And then I remember thinking 48 00:02:32,201 --> 00:02:33,441 Speaker 3: at the time, and I don't know why, but I 49 00:02:33,441 --> 00:02:35,241 Speaker 3: remember the think time, like, you know, I could just 50 00:02:35,401 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: get the guy down, you know, you know, on the 51 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,881 Speaker 3: ground and in a headlock or something like, then I 52 00:02:40,881 --> 00:02:43,281 Speaker 3: can sort of just hold him there till the police 53 00:02:43,281 --> 00:02:45,001 Speaker 3: get there and they can over. Like I said, I 54 00:02:45,041 --> 00:02:47,561 Speaker 3: didn't know he had a knife, you know, and I 55 00:02:47,601 --> 00:02:49,041 Speaker 3: just knew that like if I give him a headlock, 56 00:02:49,081 --> 00:02:50,921 Speaker 3: I could I could keep him there. And I didn't 57 00:02:50,921 --> 00:02:52,321 Speaker 3: I didn't know who's gonna be faking with the police 58 00:02:52,361 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 3: and there, you know, and and so then I sort 59 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,761 Speaker 3: of still asleep. I thought they were yeah, yeah, So 60 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: like I thought that would be sort of come out 61 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 3: of the door. I didn't try to sort of hang 62 00:03:04,201 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 3: off like around his and then I think I sort 63 00:03:06,281 --> 00:03:09,161 Speaker 3: of slipped and then as I went onto the ground, 64 00:03:09,201 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 3: and then he sort of then kicked me twice, maybe 65 00:03:12,721 --> 00:03:14,881 Speaker 3: three times, I think at least like twice in her face. 66 00:03:15,001 --> 00:03:17,801 Speaker 3: And then I sort of got up and then onto 67 00:03:17,841 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 3: my knees and then like I sort of looked to 68 00:03:21,641 --> 00:03:25,041 Speaker 3: my right where my truck was, and then I think 69 00:03:25,081 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 3: like one of the guys that maybe like run into 70 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:29,721 Speaker 3: it or something, because it looked like he was like 71 00:03:29,761 --> 00:03:32,001 Speaker 3: getting up and then like running away. I think that's 72 00:03:32,201 --> 00:03:35,081 Speaker 3: what I saw. And at the time, remember like seeing 73 00:03:35,881 --> 00:03:38,281 Speaker 3: Emma standing and she was like sited to you know, 74 00:03:38,361 --> 00:03:39,761 Speaker 3: sort of in front of me as such. And then 75 00:03:40,081 --> 00:03:44,761 Speaker 3: I see like Cassie at the door and I was like, 76 00:03:44,801 --> 00:03:46,961 Speaker 3: I can't get my phone and she's like where is it. 77 00:03:47,041 --> 00:03:49,601 Speaker 3: I'm like about half o'clock, you know. It was. It 78 00:03:49,601 --> 00:03:51,201 Speaker 3: was a brief conversation like that, and the next thing 79 00:03:51,241 --> 00:03:52,841 Speaker 3: I know, I looked at him and she was like this, 80 00:03:53,241 --> 00:03:55,281 Speaker 3: you know, she'd moved a bit, but like she was 81 00:03:55,281 --> 00:03:58,401 Speaker 3: like in front of me, like laying on the floor 82 00:03:58,401 --> 00:04:03,241 Speaker 3: with her back to me, you know, you know, and yeah, 83 00:04:03,321 --> 00:04:05,561 Speaker 3: that sort of position and feetal position. I suppose you 84 00:04:05,561 --> 00:04:08,401 Speaker 3: and I lay on our side. And it was a 85 00:04:08,441 --> 00:04:10,641 Speaker 3: bit of a shop to like see her there because 86 00:04:10,641 --> 00:04:12,201 Speaker 3: I was like, you know, second a guy, she was 87 00:04:12,241 --> 00:04:13,921 Speaker 3: like standing up but standing in front of me there, 88 00:04:13,921 --> 00:04:17,081 Speaker 3: And next thing she's lay on the floor and like, 89 00:04:17,121 --> 00:04:19,201 Speaker 3: I think I've got my phone, Casey come back. With 90 00:04:19,201 --> 00:04:22,401 Speaker 3: the phone, and you know, she was like, mummy's bleeding, 91 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,721 Speaker 3: and I remember, like, what do you mean she just bleeding? 92 00:04:24,761 --> 00:04:27,761 Speaker 3: And then it was over. I sort of kneeled over 93 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,481 Speaker 3: looked at her left side and you can see the 94 00:04:30,081 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 3: left side of the ninety, just like a glad and 95 00:04:32,521 --> 00:04:36,241 Speaker 3: then that panic sets in. And then but there was 96 00:04:36,281 --> 00:04:41,561 Speaker 3: a like diagonally to left of us, there was a 97 00:04:41,641 --> 00:04:44,161 Speaker 3: guy like putting some stuff in his car or whatever. 98 00:04:44,641 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 3: And it was one of those things where you're like, 99 00:04:47,961 --> 00:04:49,841 Speaker 3: did you have to see what happened? You know, like 100 00:04:49,921 --> 00:04:53,681 Speaker 3: this commotion is are happening? You know, So I'm shouting 101 00:04:53,681 --> 00:04:56,961 Speaker 3: out here, trying to whistle and shout him, and he 102 00:04:57,081 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 3: sort of came over. And then I think I sort 103 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,081 Speaker 3: of later learned. I think that like being our neighbor 104 00:05:02,521 --> 00:05:05,961 Speaker 3: diagonally right of us, he came down as well. And 105 00:05:06,001 --> 00:05:07,601 Speaker 3: I think they may have been on their balcony at 106 00:05:07,601 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: the time or something, so maybe they hurt me shout 107 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,361 Speaker 3: help or something. I'm not not really too sure. And 108 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,161 Speaker 3: like he was there as well, and then you know, 109 00:05:14,201 --> 00:05:15,761 Speaker 3: I was speaking of like Chipple zero. 110 00:05:15,521 --> 00:05:18,041 Speaker 2: At the time and. 111 00:05:19,001 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 3: Trying to tell them what's happened, and you know, but 112 00:05:22,361 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: then they ask what then questions are, you know, like 113 00:05:24,641 --> 00:05:26,921 Speaker 3: name address, you know, what's happened? 114 00:05:27,281 --> 00:05:30,121 Speaker 5: Can you feel or hear any breathing. 115 00:05:29,921 --> 00:05:32,361 Speaker 3: You know, like she's bleeding, I don't know whatever. IM Like, 116 00:05:32,401 --> 00:05:34,801 Speaker 3: they were like, is she breathing? I'm like, now, I 117 00:05:34,801 --> 00:05:38,041 Speaker 3: don't know, like you know, you're trying to check, and 118 00:05:38,081 --> 00:05:43,001 Speaker 3: I'm like, just get here, you know, like and and yeah, 119 00:05:43,161 --> 00:05:44,721 Speaker 3: just I suppose in some ways, like I don't know 120 00:05:44,721 --> 00:05:46,121 Speaker 3: how long it did take to get there, but it 121 00:05:46,121 --> 00:05:48,001 Speaker 3: just felt like forever for them to sort of turn 122 00:05:48,081 --> 00:05:51,841 Speaker 3: up really And but then I since found out that, 123 00:05:51,921 --> 00:05:53,681 Speaker 3: like I think what happens is that, like, you know, 124 00:05:53,761 --> 00:05:58,121 Speaker 3: the I think that the operator person is then maybe 125 00:05:58,161 --> 00:06:00,081 Speaker 3: reporting back to the police, and I think they sort 126 00:06:00,121 --> 00:06:03,081 Speaker 3: of have to make sure that the paramedics are not 127 00:06:03,921 --> 00:06:06,681 Speaker 3: coming to an area where it's potentially still like armed people, 128 00:06:06,761 --> 00:06:08,721 Speaker 3: you know. So I think the police have to turn 129 00:06:08,801 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: up and potentially make you know, either come with the 130 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,721 Speaker 3: paramedics to make sure they're escorted or whatever, or make 131 00:06:15,761 --> 00:06:19,081 Speaker 3: sure there's still no one in the area. And so yeah, 132 00:06:19,121 --> 00:06:21,601 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I see it. Like I could be wrong, 133 00:06:21,601 --> 00:06:23,001 Speaker 3: but I'm pretty sure there was a cop I turned 134 00:06:23,081 --> 00:06:25,721 Speaker 3: up and he just went and was like skidded in 135 00:06:25,761 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: position and then started doing like a CPR when Emma 136 00:06:28,201 --> 00:06:31,481 Speaker 3: and I was like, you haven't even checked that, you know, 137 00:06:31,521 --> 00:06:34,601 Speaker 3: but you're doing it like CPR. But I suppose maybe 138 00:06:34,601 --> 00:06:36,481 Speaker 3: they just know that like it's not good or whatever, 139 00:06:36,601 --> 00:06:44,801 Speaker 3: you know. So but I think there was like because 140 00:06:44,841 --> 00:06:48,601 Speaker 3: like when after I was off the phone to the police, 141 00:06:49,001 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 3: oh sorry, the triple zero, I suppose I felt like 142 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:54,841 Speaker 3: I needed a phone someone. So I was trying to 143 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 3: phone my friends, like you know, I'm friend Chris. He 144 00:06:57,561 --> 00:07:00,801 Speaker 3: lives by the King with his wife, and I tried 145 00:07:00,801 --> 00:07:02,721 Speaker 3: phoning him, like you know, four times or something, but 146 00:07:03,841 --> 00:07:05,841 Speaker 3: you know, he didn't pick up, and trying to try 147 00:07:05,841 --> 00:07:07,401 Speaker 3: his wife Liz as well, but like she didn't pick 148 00:07:07,481 --> 00:07:11,721 Speaker 3: up as well, you know, you know, so then yeah, 149 00:07:11,801 --> 00:07:15,561 Speaker 3: yeah again. Then like I quickly like scroll from my phone, 150 00:07:15,561 --> 00:07:17,721 Speaker 3: and then my friend Dan who lives around the corner, 151 00:07:17,961 --> 00:07:21,801 Speaker 3: like I found him, and you know, I remember like 152 00:07:21,801 --> 00:07:24,081 Speaker 3: shouting down and down the factors get around here, Garanny now, 153 00:07:24,201 --> 00:07:26,961 Speaker 3: you know, and you know, like he's looking up. He 154 00:07:27,041 --> 00:07:28,681 Speaker 3: was up and he's like I am running around the 155 00:07:28,681 --> 00:07:36,561 Speaker 3: corner to you know, like all these enbulances and police 156 00:07:36,601 --> 00:07:38,001 Speaker 3: and everyone, and so. 157 00:07:39,521 --> 00:07:41,601 Speaker 5: He thought he was coming into a house where like 158 00:07:41,641 --> 00:07:45,281 Speaker 5: literally everyone who was like dead my dad. 159 00:07:45,601 --> 00:07:48,401 Speaker 3: But then like when he came through the hallway because 160 00:07:48,441 --> 00:07:50,001 Speaker 3: Katy and I were sent to go back a bag 161 00:07:50,121 --> 00:07:53,481 Speaker 3: that night, so he ran through our room, I was like, scary, 162 00:07:53,521 --> 00:07:54,961 Speaker 3: but he was going to open the door to like 163 00:07:55,081 --> 00:07:58,121 Speaker 3: I was like, well yeah, and he's like why does 164 00:07:58,121 --> 00:07:59,281 Speaker 3: it goes? And then he sees us and. 165 00:07:59,241 --> 00:08:01,081 Speaker 4: Just runs over and us and what happened? 166 00:08:04,801 --> 00:08:07,961 Speaker 3: And so my friend like said, like Chris, like he 167 00:08:08,041 --> 00:08:11,281 Speaker 3: must have realized he missed some of some calls and 168 00:08:11,401 --> 00:08:14,361 Speaker 3: afterwards reflected about this, and he was like, I don't 169 00:08:14,561 --> 00:08:16,161 Speaker 3: like we know it all his phone anyway that you know, 170 00:08:16,201 --> 00:08:18,041 Speaker 3: lots time we miss each other or whatever. But he 171 00:08:18,121 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: was like, it's running bizarre feeling me phonely like four 172 00:08:20,201 --> 00:08:25,961 Speaker 3: times on you know anyway, but especially on box evening. 173 00:08:26,001 --> 00:08:30,641 Speaker 3: He was like, I think something's up. So he came 174 00:08:30,681 --> 00:08:38,561 Speaker 3: around and it was apparently armed police, and uh, They're 175 00:08:38,641 --> 00:08:42,521 Speaker 3: like who are you? And he had just saying and 176 00:08:44,281 --> 00:08:47,401 Speaker 3: I think he was allowed to come through to the house, 177 00:08:47,521 --> 00:08:52,081 Speaker 3: but I think they told him what had happened to him. 178 00:08:52,361 --> 00:08:56,401 Speaker 5: So Chris Jones rushed to the house on Monday night 179 00:08:56,841 --> 00:09:01,521 Speaker 5: after a panicked call from his best night lead just devastating. 180 00:09:01,801 --> 00:09:03,881 Speaker 6: I mean, you see Lee and the girls who are 181 00:09:03,881 --> 00:09:06,041 Speaker 6: with us at the moment. I don't think you need 182 00:09:06,081 --> 00:09:07,801 Speaker 6: to think too hard how they are. 183 00:09:07,881 --> 00:09:08,961 Speaker 3: It's just not sunk in. 184 00:09:15,521 --> 00:09:19,481 Speaker 4: Do you know that Emma's pasted or do you or they. 185 00:09:19,441 --> 00:09:23,521 Speaker 3: Just because I'm in the paramedics were there. They obviously 186 00:09:23,561 --> 00:09:27,521 Speaker 3: had some sort of mobile machine and cocked her up, 187 00:09:27,521 --> 00:09:30,401 Speaker 3: and initially she didn't have a pulse, but then you know, 188 00:09:30,401 --> 00:09:32,201 Speaker 3: they were doing like CPR, they got to they got 189 00:09:32,241 --> 00:09:37,121 Speaker 3: a pulse back and then because I was bleeding and 190 00:09:37,161 --> 00:09:40,561 Speaker 3: I'm like arm in my back and to yeah, you 191 00:09:40,681 --> 00:09:44,281 Speaker 3: didn't realize no, like it wasn't then because I just 192 00:09:44,281 --> 00:09:48,161 Speaker 3: had my underwear, you know, and I didn't realize I 193 00:09:48,201 --> 00:09:50,121 Speaker 3: was even bleaning anything. I suppose you gentlemen is pumping. 194 00:09:50,121 --> 00:09:51,521 Speaker 3: And I think it was like skul that that said, 195 00:09:51,641 --> 00:09:52,961 Speaker 3: like you know, because she stood behind me and she 196 00:09:53,081 --> 00:09:55,561 Speaker 3: was like, you're bleeding, and I'm like, am I what? 197 00:09:57,001 --> 00:10:00,161 Speaker 3: You know? Then you sort of feel the trickle of 198 00:10:00,201 --> 00:10:03,721 Speaker 3: blinding run down my back and I'm like oh, and 199 00:10:03,721 --> 00:10:06,161 Speaker 3: then you start thinking, like you know, is I'm a dad? 200 00:10:06,201 --> 00:10:07,761 Speaker 3: Then you think like I can't die, I can't leave 201 00:10:07,761 --> 00:10:08,961 Speaker 3: the kids at the orphane, And there's that sort of 202 00:10:09,121 --> 00:10:13,441 Speaker 3: thought goes through your head. So but then the ambulance 203 00:10:13,441 --> 00:10:15,721 Speaker 3: people want to get me in the ambulance and were 204 00:10:16,161 --> 00:10:21,241 Speaker 3: you know, hitting me up with like morphine and give 205 00:10:21,281 --> 00:10:24,801 Speaker 3: me some white fentanyl or something or whatever. And I 206 00:10:24,841 --> 00:10:26,681 Speaker 3: don't think that really done a great deal really. 207 00:10:26,721 --> 00:10:30,521 Speaker 2: So while Lee is being rushed to hospital, he's been 208 00:10:30,521 --> 00:10:33,161 Speaker 2: told that the ambulance that is with Emma would be 209 00:10:33,161 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 2: following close by and they would meet at the hospital. 210 00:10:36,681 --> 00:10:39,321 Speaker 2: At least two teenage girls are at the house. They've 211 00:10:39,361 --> 00:10:41,561 Speaker 2: been told to pack a bag by a neighbor because 212 00:10:41,641 --> 00:10:43,521 Speaker 2: they wouldn't be staying in the house that night. 213 00:10:43,721 --> 00:10:45,761 Speaker 3: So when I was in the ambulance, I quickly sort 214 00:10:45,761 --> 00:10:50,361 Speaker 3: of phoned Emma's brother and because somebody like midday for 215 00:10:50,441 --> 00:10:54,001 Speaker 3: them Boxing day, so trying to get out as much 216 00:10:54,001 --> 00:10:56,121 Speaker 3: I could about what happened, and then the police waped 217 00:10:56,161 --> 00:10:59,361 Speaker 3: my phone, so I had to hand my phone over 218 00:10:59,441 --> 00:11:02,001 Speaker 3: and then yeah, I got taken off the hospital saying. 219 00:11:02,161 --> 00:11:05,881 Speaker 1: Emma's family is flying in from the UK tonight. Will 220 00:11:06,001 --> 00:11:09,361 Speaker 1: North Lake's residents have launched a petition calling for repeat 221 00:11:09,401 --> 00:11:12,681 Speaker 1: offenders not to be granted bail and. 222 00:11:12,681 --> 00:11:16,361 Speaker 4: The kids so go with someone to her friends or something. 223 00:11:16,801 --> 00:11:20,681 Speaker 3: Yeah, well they went with Dan and Cat around to 224 00:11:20,721 --> 00:11:23,361 Speaker 3: their house. Like I said, I saw three houses around 225 00:11:23,361 --> 00:11:26,401 Speaker 3: the corner really, so it was funny really, but like 226 00:11:26,561 --> 00:11:30,201 Speaker 3: I didn't really In hindsight, I suppose I didn't really 227 00:11:30,201 --> 00:11:33,521 Speaker 3: think about them too much because I don't know, there 228 00:11:33,601 --> 00:11:37,361 Speaker 3: was just like a lot going on, like with myself, 229 00:11:37,521 --> 00:11:41,401 Speaker 3: what with them, I suppose I suppose made me the 230 00:11:41,441 --> 00:11:43,441 Speaker 3: back of mind. I knew that they were sort of okay, 231 00:11:43,481 --> 00:11:45,441 Speaker 3: they were Dan, I knew, you know, we've known each 232 00:11:45,481 --> 00:11:47,441 Speaker 3: other for like years, So I suppose I just knew 233 00:11:47,481 --> 00:11:49,041 Speaker 3: that they were in safe fans, you know. 234 00:11:49,121 --> 00:11:53,321 Speaker 2: So Lee's wife Emma died on the way to hospital 235 00:11:53,601 --> 00:11:57,281 Speaker 2: in the ambulance after paramedics tried to save a life 236 00:11:57,601 --> 00:12:02,281 Speaker 2: on their front lawn. Lee's in a hospital waiting to 237 00:12:02,321 --> 00:12:04,801 Speaker 2: find out when you can go and see her. At 238 00:12:04,801 --> 00:12:08,161 Speaker 2: this stage, he doesn't know that she hasn't made it. 239 00:12:08,401 --> 00:12:09,681 Speaker 3: I don't even know how long I was there. I'm 240 00:12:09,681 --> 00:12:11,161 Speaker 3: guessing I was probably there at least a couple of 241 00:12:11,201 --> 00:12:14,481 Speaker 3: hours because they were checking my back out and get 242 00:12:14,481 --> 00:12:19,441 Speaker 3: me to do like seating scans or whatever. And then 243 00:12:20,201 --> 00:12:22,361 Speaker 3: it's funny really because like you know, initially that there 244 00:12:22,441 --> 00:12:26,001 Speaker 3: was heaps of heaps of people in the room and 245 00:12:26,081 --> 00:12:29,681 Speaker 3: you know, nurses and adopted or whatever, and then then 246 00:12:29,681 --> 00:12:31,361 Speaker 3: they all just sort of just seemed to left, and 247 00:12:31,401 --> 00:12:33,761 Speaker 3: then it was just then myself and this one other 248 00:12:33,841 --> 00:12:36,161 Speaker 3: nurse and I went a bit sort of quiet, and 249 00:12:36,161 --> 00:12:40,601 Speaker 3: we were sort of just chatting, and and then this 250 00:12:40,601 --> 00:12:42,521 Speaker 3: this guy for another room come through, the older guy 251 00:12:42,601 --> 00:12:44,841 Speaker 3: wearing all sort of black. I don't know what he was. 252 00:12:45,321 --> 00:12:47,441 Speaker 3: Maybe he was trained to sort tell people those sort 253 00:12:47,441 --> 00:12:50,801 Speaker 3: of things. And yeah, they comes through and says, you know, 254 00:12:51,601 --> 00:12:53,401 Speaker 3: and see her, and I think, and you know, they 255 00:12:53,401 --> 00:12:57,321 Speaker 3: tried doing everything they could, but they were unable to 256 00:12:57,361 --> 00:13:00,481 Speaker 3: say that, you know. And then that sort of shock 257 00:13:00,521 --> 00:13:03,121 Speaker 3: sets in, I suppose, because you're like, she was live 258 00:13:03,161 --> 00:13:04,441 Speaker 3: the last time I see it. I was told she 259 00:13:04,481 --> 00:13:05,921 Speaker 3: was going to be following me, Like, what do you 260 00:13:05,961 --> 00:13:09,001 Speaker 3: mean she hasn't made it, you know. And then yeah, 261 00:13:09,121 --> 00:13:14,241 Speaker 3: so I tried getting off the bed, and then you know, 262 00:13:14,281 --> 00:13:15,881 Speaker 3: the nurse sort of helped me go through the sort 263 00:13:15,881 --> 00:13:21,401 Speaker 3: of cemma, and then I don't even think I spent 264 00:13:21,441 --> 00:13:23,361 Speaker 3: a couple of minutes away her. Really, I spent a 265 00:13:23,361 --> 00:13:29,001 Speaker 3: short amount of time with her, and I spoke to 266 00:13:29,041 --> 00:13:33,001 Speaker 3: her and and I was like, right, I've got to 267 00:13:33,001 --> 00:13:34,841 Speaker 3: get out of here to get back to the kids, 268 00:13:35,081 --> 00:13:38,201 Speaker 3: you know. So I think at that time, I just 269 00:13:38,441 --> 00:13:41,001 Speaker 3: like I had some shorts with me, you know, I 270 00:13:41,201 --> 00:13:42,961 Speaker 3: got Castie to getting me some shorts before I left. 271 00:13:43,521 --> 00:13:45,321 Speaker 3: I did have a T shirt, so that's right, but 272 00:13:45,401 --> 00:13:46,801 Speaker 3: I cut that off, so I didn't even have a 273 00:13:46,801 --> 00:13:51,121 Speaker 3: T shirt to put on. And you know I've said 274 00:13:51,121 --> 00:13:53,761 Speaker 3: this before, but there was a couple of police now 275 00:13:53,801 --> 00:13:55,321 Speaker 3: I think from my Brisbane city or something, and I 276 00:13:55,361 --> 00:13:57,761 Speaker 3: said to them that, you know, because in my mind, 277 00:13:57,881 --> 00:13:59,841 Speaker 3: in Lee's world, I was like, someone's going to bring 278 00:13:59,881 --> 00:14:02,241 Speaker 3: me back to North Lakes in a in an ambulance 279 00:14:02,281 --> 00:14:03,841 Speaker 3: that you know, I was like, how am I getting hime? 280 00:14:04,041 --> 00:14:06,001 Speaker 3: Like I don't have a fair I can't find a 281 00:14:06,081 --> 00:14:07,561 Speaker 3: new bit because I would have done that. I would 282 00:14:07,561 --> 00:14:11,961 Speaker 3: have done anything to get back. And they sort of 283 00:14:12,041 --> 00:14:15,401 Speaker 3: undernared a bit really because because at first, like I thought, 284 00:14:15,441 --> 00:14:18,121 Speaker 3: maybe I've just read the situation wrong, like like you 285 00:14:18,121 --> 00:14:19,921 Speaker 3: don't want to take me something, Because even the nurse 286 00:14:20,001 --> 00:14:22,041 Speaker 3: was like if these guys don't take it, I'll go 287 00:14:22,121 --> 00:14:23,441 Speaker 3: and get my car and I'll take you, you know, 288 00:14:24,641 --> 00:14:26,361 Speaker 3: and eventually they were like, oh, I can come with us, 289 00:14:26,361 --> 00:14:28,401 Speaker 3: and then you know, it took me back to North Lakes, 290 00:14:28,401 --> 00:14:30,361 Speaker 3: but well, actually they didn't. They took me to a 291 00:14:30,401 --> 00:14:32,481 Speaker 3: Redcliffe and then like this, this LG then sort of 292 00:14:32,481 --> 00:14:34,201 Speaker 3: took my statement and I was like, where are the 293 00:14:34,281 --> 00:14:35,641 Speaker 3: kids and they were like, oh, you know, they're going 294 00:14:35,721 --> 00:14:37,841 Speaker 3: to come here, and they never turned up on a 295 00:14:37,841 --> 00:14:39,921 Speaker 3: police station, which was like really frustrating that, you know. 296 00:14:40,001 --> 00:14:42,441 Speaker 3: And I had like a blanket because I was shivering 297 00:14:42,521 --> 00:14:45,041 Speaker 3: or whatever, and it just felt like ages we were 298 00:14:45,081 --> 00:14:47,601 Speaker 3: doing this like buddy interviewing it, you know, in this statement, 299 00:14:47,721 --> 00:14:50,401 Speaker 3: and I just want to get home to the kids that, 300 00:14:50,481 --> 00:14:52,801 Speaker 3: you know. And then it must have been getting like 301 00:14:53,121 --> 00:14:55,121 Speaker 3: five point thirty six sometimes round about that, and then 302 00:14:55,961 --> 00:14:57,641 Speaker 3: they were like, oh, you know, we're done. 303 00:14:57,241 --> 00:15:01,321 Speaker 4: And then did the kids know by this stage the 304 00:15:01,361 --> 00:15:07,761 Speaker 4: demera had passed no because this scream yeah, Because the 305 00:15:07,841 --> 00:15:08,441 Speaker 4: kids had. 306 00:15:08,321 --> 00:15:11,281 Speaker 3: Like an iPhone each and she put like a screenlike 307 00:15:11,321 --> 00:15:14,641 Speaker 3: on their phones. I think it was from maybe ten 308 00:15:14,761 --> 00:15:17,161 Speaker 3: ten thirty till maybe like sort of six six thirty 309 00:15:17,161 --> 00:15:19,241 Speaker 3: in the more and they couldn't use their phones, you know. 310 00:15:19,401 --> 00:15:21,241 Speaker 3: She didn't want being on the phones during the night 311 00:15:21,321 --> 00:15:23,681 Speaker 3: and that sort of stuff. So yeah, they couldn't be 312 00:15:23,721 --> 00:15:27,241 Speaker 3: on their phone, so they they eventually I found out 313 00:15:27,281 --> 00:15:29,121 Speaker 3: that they because they were like they set it down 314 00:15:29,121 --> 00:15:31,161 Speaker 3: a cat. So they then got taken Chris turned up 315 00:15:31,201 --> 00:15:33,801 Speaker 3: and he took them with leaves back to their house. 316 00:15:35,281 --> 00:15:38,561 Speaker 3: And so yeah, anyway, like I when I was at 317 00:15:38,561 --> 00:15:41,841 Speaker 3: the police station, like when I got my phone and 318 00:15:41,961 --> 00:15:45,201 Speaker 3: threw my watch, I had a message come through from 319 00:15:45,521 --> 00:15:49,841 Speaker 3: my niece in the UK, just saying that you know, her, 320 00:15:50,641 --> 00:15:52,601 Speaker 3: Emma's brother and Emma's mum were on the way to 321 00:15:52,601 --> 00:15:54,961 Speaker 3: the airport, but there was a police guy. I said 322 00:15:54,961 --> 00:15:57,201 Speaker 3: to this woman doing the you know statement, She said, 323 00:15:57,201 --> 00:15:59,401 Speaker 3: I'll take him back to his house or friends out 324 00:15:59,481 --> 00:16:02,081 Speaker 3: or whatever and then gives a call when you're done. 325 00:16:02,121 --> 00:16:04,481 Speaker 3: So she took me back to my friend's house and 326 00:16:04,521 --> 00:16:06,481 Speaker 3: then I sort of got out of the car, and 327 00:16:06,721 --> 00:16:09,521 Speaker 3: you know, because I thought that maybe my friends had 328 00:16:09,561 --> 00:16:12,961 Speaker 3: said to the kids of like what happened, but like 329 00:16:13,081 --> 00:16:17,681 Speaker 3: enough they hadn't. And I've gotten out of the car. 330 00:16:17,681 --> 00:16:19,281 Speaker 3: I had a quick tack to my friend and he 331 00:16:19,321 --> 00:16:21,561 Speaker 3: said like kids inside, oh blah blah blah whatever, And 332 00:16:21,641 --> 00:16:24,961 Speaker 3: I turned around to look at the police woman because 333 00:16:24,961 --> 00:16:26,481 Speaker 3: I thought she was going to come in with us, 334 00:16:28,321 --> 00:16:33,601 Speaker 3: and she'd just gone, and I'm like, thanks for that, 335 00:16:34,121 --> 00:16:37,041 Speaker 3: thanks for the support, you know, and I just thought that, 336 00:16:37,121 --> 00:16:38,441 Speaker 3: you know, she was going to come in and it 337 00:16:38,521 --> 00:16:41,921 Speaker 3: sounds weird, but you know, hold my hand, make a coffee, 338 00:16:42,041 --> 00:16:45,081 Speaker 3: do something, you know, help me talk to the kids. 339 00:16:45,201 --> 00:16:51,121 Speaker 3: But there was no support there, so yes, so I 340 00:16:51,161 --> 00:16:54,441 Speaker 3: had to go in and I didn't really tell the 341 00:16:54,481 --> 00:16:56,641 Speaker 3: kids too much about what happened really, and they were like, oh, 342 00:16:56,681 --> 00:16:58,881 Speaker 3: I think the scarlet was like, where's mommy because she 343 00:16:58,961 --> 00:17:00,801 Speaker 3: was looking behind me, thinking that, you know, she was 344 00:17:00,841 --> 00:17:03,881 Speaker 3: going to be with me. But I was like, oh, 345 00:17:04,481 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 3: you know, we need to talk. And I think I 346 00:17:07,641 --> 00:17:11,801 Speaker 3: said she didn't make it, and yeah, kids to a 347 00:17:11,801 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 3: grind in my arm. 348 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 4: So that's got to be, I'm guessing one of the 349 00:17:19,681 --> 00:17:21,041 Speaker 4: hardest things you've ever had to do. 350 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, And then, like you, I think for a while 351 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 3: I didn't really cry. And then even when I was 352 00:17:29,921 --> 00:17:34,041 Speaker 3: in the hospital with Emma after then told me what happened, 353 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:38,281 Speaker 3: I don't I may have done for a short time, 354 00:17:38,281 --> 00:17:39,961 Speaker 3: but I don't know I even cried then. And then 355 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 3: later on you think, like what is wrong with me 356 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 3: not crying? You know, my wife face has been murdered 357 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 3: and I'm not crying and and even talking to the girls, 358 00:17:51,481 --> 00:17:54,481 Speaker 3: you know, like we ended up like in a pile 359 00:17:54,521 --> 00:17:58,281 Speaker 3: on the floor and you know, like you're hugging them. 360 00:17:58,360 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 3: And I don't remember like crying too much then, and 361 00:18:04,241 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 3: you know you just think like what is ron me? 362 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:11,521 Speaker 3: Like you know, and and then and then yeah, like 363 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 3: reality sets in a bit more and then it's all 364 00:18:13,561 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 3: over the news because like I said, like it was 365 00:18:15,721 --> 00:18:17,801 Speaker 3: like probably six thirty or something, and the kids got 366 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 3: access to their phones and by that time it's all 367 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,441 Speaker 3: over like social media and. 368 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,561 Speaker 1: Woman has been killed in a horrifying home invasion in 369 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: Brisbane's North Forty one year old Emma Lovell was allegedly 370 00:18:30,681 --> 00:18:33,681 Speaker 1: stabbed while fighting off her at seventeen year old boys 371 00:18:33,721 --> 00:18:37,041 Speaker 1: been charged like murder. Tracked down by please Dogs to 372 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:41,721 Speaker 1: a nearby site early on Tuesday, especially like the. 373 00:18:41,721 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 3: Like all North Lakes community page, and I think I 374 00:18:46,921 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 3: was looking on the heir and they were just like 375 00:18:48,521 --> 00:18:52,721 Speaker 3: someone that and we used to do ironing for. And 376 00:18:52,761 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 3: she'd put on the on the page something about like 377 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:59,041 Speaker 3: you know, my friend lives up that road and I've 378 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:04,561 Speaker 3: tried doing it a welfare check, and you know, she 379 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,281 Speaker 3: had an I'm just repy. 380 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:14,561 Speaker 4: So when do you hear that they've arrested the two boys. 381 00:19:14,801 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 3: I'm not really too sure. To be honest, like I 382 00:19:17,681 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 3: put it, would have said it was like later on 383 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 3: that day. I think later on that day, like the 384 00:19:22,201 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 3: police came around and a couple of detectives there, So 385 00:19:26,281 --> 00:19:27,921 Speaker 3: I think I would have found out there, But I'm 386 00:19:27,961 --> 00:19:30,681 Speaker 3: not extightly too sure, but it was probably the next day. 387 00:19:30,681 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 3: I'm guessing, you know, a few hours later I was told, 388 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,081 Speaker 3: because I do know since then, I have found out 389 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:38,881 Speaker 3: that within you know, three or four hours, they'd got 390 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,321 Speaker 3: them at the house around the car from us. 391 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 6: You know. 392 00:19:44,961 --> 00:19:48,801 Speaker 7: Unfortunately, police were called to the address late last night. 393 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,321 Speaker 7: I confronted with a horrific scene. Paramedics did all they 394 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:56,241 Speaker 7: possibly put but unfortunately the lady passed away and she 395 00:19:56,721 --> 00:20:00,961 Speaker 7: had An investigation was commenced and through some very good 396 00:20:00,961 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 7: investigative skills demonstrated by the detectives and many to locate 397 00:20:06,681 --> 00:20:11,321 Speaker 7: four persons who were taken into custody. I can say 398 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 7: at this point in time that two of those people, 399 00:20:14,281 --> 00:20:18,081 Speaker 7: a seventeen year old boyfriend, Zunia, and a seventeen year 400 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,361 Speaker 7: old boy from Holland Park will be charged later today 401 00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:25,801 Speaker 7: with murder, attempted murder and breaking into. 402 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 5: It's heartbreaking to think that my best friend took her 403 00:20:35,961 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 5: last breath because somebody decided they needed what was in 404 00:20:41,441 --> 00:20:44,801 Speaker 5: their house. But they'd bought this house for them to 405 00:20:44,921 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 5: keep their children in, to keep their children safe in, 406 00:20:48,281 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 5: and just took her last breath and died in what 407 00:20:56,001 --> 00:21:00,441 Speaker 5: is such a heroic act trying to keep them keep 408 00:21:00,441 --> 00:21:01,321 Speaker 5: her baby safe. 409 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 7: Message to the community is this is a tub of 410 00:21:07,241 --> 00:21:11,441 Speaker 7: sad day that someone's life has been taken in this way. 411 00:21:12,321 --> 00:21:16,321 Speaker 7: I still struggle to understand why these types of violet 412 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 7: times occurred, and it's occurred again, and we need to 413 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 7: work together as a community to say no to this 414 00:21:23,241 --> 00:21:26,241 Speaker 7: type of violence and also support each other when it 415 00:21:26,281 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 7: occurs and does something to try and defer or deter 416 00:21:30,561 --> 00:21:32,441 Speaker 7: people and command those types of offenses. 417 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: Lee was stabbed in the back and kicked a few 418 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,001 Speaker 2: times in the face. Emma was stabbed in her side. 419 00:21:45,561 --> 00:21:49,481 Speaker 2: It perforated the backside of her heart. All of it 420 00:21:49,561 --> 00:21:54,281 Speaker 2: was captured on Lee's CCTV, including the audio that Lee 421 00:21:54,521 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 2: doesn't ever want to hear again. 422 00:21:57,281 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 3: They had already previously I'd heard the audio because the 423 00:22:01,961 --> 00:22:05,441 Speaker 3: guy over the rover musk didn't have any footage that 424 00:22:05,801 --> 00:22:09,321 Speaker 3: his camera has actually got the audio, so that in 425 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,321 Speaker 3: court they played that, but the girls and I left 426 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:14,321 Speaker 3: for that because i'd heard that before and I don't 427 00:22:14,321 --> 00:22:18,321 Speaker 3: want to hear that again. But they played the TV 428 00:22:18,441 --> 00:22:22,321 Speaker 3: footage from the night is, you know, from all of 429 00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 3: us sort of coming out the door and then and 430 00:22:23,961 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 3: then some of that on outside on the grass, and 431 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,881 Speaker 3: my recognition recollection of what happened to what actually did 432 00:22:33,921 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 3: happen was slightly different. I think I said to you 433 00:22:35,921 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 3: previously that we sort of came out the door and 434 00:22:37,721 --> 00:22:41,321 Speaker 3: I thought I tried getting him on into a headlock, 435 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 3: but that wasn't quite the case. It turns out that 436 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 3: after we came out, I think, like Emma and I 437 00:22:45,721 --> 00:22:49,921 Speaker 3: were then fighting with them out on the grass, and 438 00:22:51,001 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 3: you know, and then you know, something else happened and 439 00:22:55,721 --> 00:22:57,321 Speaker 3: then that's when I then tried getting him in the 440 00:22:57,321 --> 00:23:00,561 Speaker 3: headlock and fell or whatever. So yeah, there was that 441 00:23:00,681 --> 00:23:04,441 Speaker 3: that evening played that longer than what I remember. 442 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 4: Really, So how was it watching that vision again in court? 443 00:23:08,441 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 4: And the kids were there? 444 00:23:09,281 --> 00:23:12,961 Speaker 3: Too, I guess, yeah, Like there was a few screens 445 00:23:13,041 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 3: up and I was sort of watching it, but in 446 00:23:16,441 --> 00:23:18,881 Speaker 3: also not really paying that much attention, if that makes sense. 447 00:23:18,921 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 3: I sort of that watched it, but didn't you know, 448 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 3: so it was pretty hard to watch, you know. And 449 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 3: then like I said, like for to see us all 450 00:23:27,521 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 3: sort of come out the door and then be on 451 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,801 Speaker 3: the grass, and then like I said, like to see 452 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,961 Speaker 3: what actually happened from what my memory remembered was yeah, 453 00:23:38,961 --> 00:23:41,481 Speaker 3: a little bit sort of shocking really, you know, And yeah, 454 00:23:41,521 --> 00:23:43,041 Speaker 3: it was pretty hard to watch, you know. Like I said, 455 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,441 Speaker 3: we watched that and then left really so yeah, because 456 00:23:46,441 --> 00:23:48,041 Speaker 3: that's when they played the audio, so we left for that. 457 00:23:48,761 --> 00:23:51,321 Speaker 3: And then yeah, then the defense goes into the background 458 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,041 Speaker 3: of the guy involved, and. 459 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,281 Speaker 2: We can't name these two men that committed the crime 460 00:23:56,801 --> 00:23:59,441 Speaker 2: because at the time they were under the age of eighteen. 461 00:24:00,241 --> 00:24:02,921 Speaker 2: In fact, one of them was just three months from 462 00:24:03,041 --> 00:24:06,961 Speaker 2: turning eighteen. One of the effect has been sentenced in jail. 463 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 2: We'll talk about that sentence and what Lee thinks of 464 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,521 Speaker 2: it later in the series. The other is before the courts, 465 00:24:13,921 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 2: and the news of his sentence may be released as 466 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:19,321 Speaker 2: we're releasing these episodes. But for now, let's talk about 467 00:24:19,321 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 2: one of the seventeen year old's rap sheets. Before he 468 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:27,561 Speaker 2: murdered Emma. This seventeen year old had never spent any 469 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:33,721 Speaker 2: time in custody, although he had eighty four convictions. His 470 00:24:33,721 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 2: first crime was committed in May of twenty twenty. At 471 00:24:36,441 --> 00:24:39,601 Speaker 2: the start of COVID, he was just fifteen years old. 472 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:45,401 Speaker 2: Sixteen of his crimes involved unlawful entry into premises, two 473 00:24:45,441 --> 00:24:49,761 Speaker 2: of those while the families were inside. Eleven offenses were 474 00:24:49,801 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 2: about breaking into cars or stealing them. Not once was 475 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 2: he placed into custody. Instead, he was sentenced to a 476 00:24:56,961 --> 00:25:01,441 Speaker 2: probation order of somewhere between three and nine months. Those 477 00:25:01,481 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 2: probation orders meant a weekly meeting with the Youth Justice 478 00:25:04,681 --> 00:25:08,961 Speaker 2: worker for between forty five minutes to an hour. It 479 00:25:09,041 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: was a research based program which targeted offending behavior in 480 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 2: a view to reducing future offending. This teenager was on 481 00:25:18,241 --> 00:25:23,441 Speaker 2: a probation order when he murdered Emma. It would seem 482 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 2: for this boy, who was soon to be a man, 483 00:25:26,241 --> 00:25:39,721 Speaker 2: that didn't work. I'm keen to understand why did it, 484 00:25:40,001 --> 00:25:43,001 Speaker 2: what led him to this. In my conversations with Lee, 485 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,761 Speaker 2: he also had some clear thoughts on what the punishment 486 00:25:45,801 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 2: should be for a crime like this, an adult crime. 487 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 2: He also agrees it's complex and knows that it didn't 488 00:25:52,441 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 2: start from nowhere. There is always a cause. We're going 489 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,081 Speaker 2: to explore that in the next few episodes, But first 490 00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:02,321 Speaker 2: I want to go back to this seventeen year old boy, 491 00:26:02,521 --> 00:26:05,161 Speaker 2: the one that's been charged and sentenced for the murder 492 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 2: of Emma Lovell. It wasn't the first time this offender 493 00:26:10,201 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: had used a knife in a home invasion to stab someone. 494 00:26:13,761 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, when he was just fifteen turning sixteen, 495 00:26:17,321 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 2: he stabbed someone else. 496 00:26:21,561 --> 00:26:26,281 Speaker 6: Well, the next thing in my mind was looking down 497 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,041 Speaker 6: the end of the bed and then seeing the figure 498 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,041 Speaker 6: of a person at the end of the bed. I 499 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 6: don't think there was a lot of thought from this 500 00:26:33,481 --> 00:26:34,201 Speaker 6: point onwards. 501 00:26:35,721 --> 00:26:37,281 Speaker 4: I started to move and went out. 502 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:42,001 Speaker 6: Of the bedroom, and then I jump up and in 503 00:26:42,041 --> 00:26:45,361 Speaker 6: a very loud I feel it was aggressive now telling 504 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 6: someone to get the f out of my house, and 505 00:26:47,241 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 6: I started chasing this person. 506 00:26:50,041 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 2: You'll hear more from Aaron and his wife Christine in 507 00:26:53,241 --> 00:27:06,961 Speaker 2: the next episode of Who's to Blame. Thanks for listening 508 00:27:07,041 --> 00:27:11,001 Speaker 2: to this episode and supporting this story. Independent storytelling that 509 00:27:11,041 --> 00:27:14,281 Speaker 2: shapes the world is what podshape really cares about. 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