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Speaker 1: And we're on Tommy Sharnie in the studio. Good bit

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Speaker 1: of a crowd, tom happening mate, Thanks coming over again,

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Speaker 1: Tommy first time. It's his first time a repeat.

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Speaker 2: This is our first repeat.

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Speaker 1: Guests.

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Speaker 3: Beautiful and I see you've done a lot to the

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Speaker 3: place as well. We have.

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Speaker 1: We've just got it. Given a certain personal teach you

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Speaker 1: might say, yes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the photos not straight. Yeah, Tris put it up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And it's good to see you've got the dress code.

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Speaker 2: Tommy is wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I thought when you a lot of that

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Speaker 3: ran and grab this out of your boot.

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Speaker 1: Made, I was trying to I had I thought I

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Speaker 1: had a pair of Moleskins up there. I've got I've

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Speaker 1: got the Armadale shoes on.

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Speaker 2: Them.

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Speaker 1: You've got no socks.

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Speaker 2: He's weird like that. He'll wear like like rule like

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Speaker 2: if you're wearing boots, you got to wear socks with it,

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Speaker 2: because there's tenure that breathing. Those things he actually does have.

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Speaker 1: Everywhere.

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Speaker 3: My old man when he gets out of my car

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Speaker 3: and he scratched himself, there's it's just white. The whole

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Speaker 3: back seat's white as Yeah, he's just yeah, he's yeah anyway, Well.

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Speaker 1: They reckon the most. Most of the dust that sits

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Speaker 1: in your house is human skin.

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Speaker 3: That's this is a nice way to start the podcast.

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Speaker 1: You can make a suit.

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Speaker 2: And I want to. I want to. Ever since we

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Speaker 2: had you on the podcast last year, this fell up

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Speaker 2: big am. Whenever he's down and out on the punt,

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Speaker 2: guess who he's You're like his hero because every single

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Speaker 2: time he'll go he won't even look at the form.

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Speaker 2: He won't look at anything. He won't look at how

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Speaker 2: much weights on it. If you're on it and he

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Speaker 2: needs a win, he just backs you.

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Speaker 3: Well. It's funny because I'll get the odd message make

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Speaker 3: great day in that, but it will be like it

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Speaker 3: might not even be a big race, So you could

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Speaker 3: ride a group one win or something no text message,

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Speaker 3: but you might get something why on or hawks we

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Speaker 3: made that was great? It's sweet.

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Speaker 2: He'll back at any racetrack. He doesn't just follow the

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Speaker 2: main right.

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Speaker 3: The Gold Coast. Before he goes, I'll be watching the

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Speaker 3: Gold Coast, you know, gold Coast down and out?

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Speaker 1: What Tommy, you're having a great year. I should know him,

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Speaker 1: but everyone muscle Brook.

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Speaker 3: The last six months has probably been the best best

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Speaker 3: form of beaning for quite a while now. So it's

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Speaker 3: it's it's a good feeling. It's when your when your

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Speaker 3: luck's up and you're having a good carnival on that.

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Speaker 3: It's makes it easy to get out of bed. And

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Speaker 3: and yeah, it's it's it's a hard carnival, but it's

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Speaker 1: How long ago when you had that fall? I thought

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Speaker 1: of you, Sharney during that my god.

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Speaker 3: or something like that. Yeah, so that one, Yeah, well

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Speaker 3: I was only out for I think I was back

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Speaker 2: So it was breaking neck.

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Speaker 3: But when neck and did ligaments in my shoulder.

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Speaker 2: So and then how do you come back after five

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Speaker 3: a lot more trouble. So I spoke to Jared Croger

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Speaker 2: it's like the.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was a weird feeling.

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Speaker 2: When after you have a fall like that, when you

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Speaker 2: because when rugby league players go back, they hurt a

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Speaker 1: Well like an answer that, because I think just about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but last time that up and yeah I got

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I had a couple of couple.

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Speaker 1: Of Yeah, Tommy, we're going to talk about We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about tomorrow shortly about more felons and the

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Speaker 1: chances there have just talk about the Cup. But what

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Speaker 1: was I going to say? As we get older, my

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, they feel free to read it.

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Speaker 1: I just thought we're only going to go with this

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Speaker 1: right now. Now. Rugby league players and sports people they

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Speaker 1: peak for events. Do you peak for the Do you

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Speaker 1: train your schedule around to peak for the spring carnival?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely the spring of the question waiting for it there,

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Speaker 3: You definitely have to peak from your everything, your body.

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Speaker 3: I do a lot of car you know, because your

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Speaker 3: But because I'm just sweating so well at the moment,

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Speaker 2: So you do it in the bath? Is that where?

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Speaker 2: And what? You just have it hot as like?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, bath.

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Speaker 3: If I lay completely in the bath or sweat quicker.

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Speaker 2: reckon I've been. Yeah, I just signed up for a gym.

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Speaker 2: I don't know you can tell, but I just signed

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Speaker 2: I go like once a week two sort of waste.

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Speaker 2: But I went into the steamer room in there, holy smokes,

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Speaker 1: Sure at the gym or just the el Ken's Karate club,

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Speaker 2: Like, this is is such a weird setting.

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Speaker 3: And the worst part about going to a public sauna

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Speaker 3: Well you're trying to you're gonna be in there for

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Speaker 2: A bloke in there and it said it said in

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Speaker 2: the world, said don't put menthol or eucalyptus on the rocks.

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Speaker 2: I said, what do you mean? He said, it's not

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Speaker 3: A can someone give me a job.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow? Melbourne carp had Tommy. Is it just business as usual?

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Speaker 1: Yeah more tomorrow.

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00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, he's a great chance. He's got incredible thirty

441
00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,720
Speaker 3: two metaform from Europe before he came over here, and

442
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,400
Speaker 3: so he's really looking for that. He's running the Saint

443
00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,760
Speaker 3: LEDI was massive. He clocked the quickest last six hundred

444
00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:15,920
Speaker 3: four and a two under of the race. So he

445
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,879
Speaker 3: was nice and strong through the line and you know

446
00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,240
Speaker 3: it's it's just important for him to draw well, and

447
00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,000
Speaker 3: for him to do that, then you know he's going

448
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:25,000
Speaker 3: to be riding in it for a long way.

449
00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,200
Speaker 2: You're talking about drawing from a barrier, like for those

450
00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,200
Speaker 2: people who aren't as skilled of knowing horses that well,

451
00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,239
Speaker 2: no about everyone else. I'm one of the great. I'm

452
00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,399
Speaker 2: one of the great. I'm intelligent everything. How important is

453
00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:38,040
Speaker 2: a barrier draw?

454
00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:38,560
Speaker 3: Like?

455
00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,040
Speaker 2: Is it? Is there some times you draw a barrier

456
00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:41,960
Speaker 2: and you go, I'm no chance.

457
00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, barriers win your races, that's the old saying. And

458
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,040
Speaker 3: like you're the most economical run in the race usually wins.

459
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,320
Speaker 3: And like in a Melbourne Cup, it's a long way

460
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,359
Speaker 3: to go around if you're if you're wide, you know,

461
00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,280
Speaker 3: without cover, So it's very important to draw well, get

462
00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 3: a good run in the race, get your horse into

463
00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,399
Speaker 3: a nice rhythm and not after spurring him up to

464
00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,239
Speaker 3: go forward to find a spot. I think that the

465
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,640
Speaker 3: most forgiving track for barriers would be run Wick. If

466
00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,919
Speaker 3: you don't draw well at Ranwick, it's not the biggest

467
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:10,959
Speaker 3: issue in the world, where if you draw bad at

468
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,440
Speaker 3: rose Hill it's it's almost game over if you don't

469
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:13,960
Speaker 3: get a good run.

470
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,199
Speaker 1: What's your favorite barrier because I imagine it. You know,

471
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,639
Speaker 1: the wide ones goes without saying a problematic, but I imagine

472
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 1: sometimes with big fields in the one barrier can sort

473
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:24,399
Speaker 1: of reduce your options.

474
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hate barrier one, and horses don't step well

475
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 3: from barrier one either, because you've got the starter who's

476
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,399
Speaker 3: obviously you're right there and they're close enough, and I

477
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,159
Speaker 3: reckon a lot of horses look at the starter and

478
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,680
Speaker 3: they'll jump away from it. So I'd say anywhere between

479
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,680
Speaker 3: three and six is your perfect ideal barrier, and then

480
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,639
Speaker 3: you can get that one off the fence position and

481
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 3: you're not locked away. But everyone's different. I know Hugh Bowman,

482
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,399
Speaker 3: he'd love to draw one and be on the fence

483
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 3: midfield in every race. That's just the way he rides.

484
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, for me, I'm like like Corey Brown, he

485
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 3: used to just put him in the one one all

486
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 3: the time. If that was me, you know, it's a

487
00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:58,440
Speaker 3: perfect spot.

488
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:00,920
Speaker 1: Like when you're riding, like you know, one of the

489
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 1: most important things Tommy, you know you talk to jockeys.

490
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 1: Has been able to get the horse to relax for

491
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 1: the thirty two hundred meters winning a Melbourne Cup? Putting

492
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 1: the horse to sleep? How do you do that?

493
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's trying to just find that happy

494
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 3: meeting with them. You know, you don't want to push it,

495
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 3: don't want to pull, you just want to I find,

496
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 3: especially in stane races, if you can let the horse

497
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 3: find its spot and you're able to draw well and

498
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,719
Speaker 3: let them get themselves into a position, and they're going

499
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 3: to relax better, They're going to breathe better. And it's

500
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,719
Speaker 3: like anything if you're a runner or a swimmer, if

501
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,679
Speaker 3: you get your breathing right and you can and you

502
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,679
Speaker 3: can just get it perfect, then you're going to have

503
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 3: something left at the end. But if you're if they're

504
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 3: in the on the bit pulling your ass out, you know,

505
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 3: and they're not breathing right, well they're going to run

506
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 3: out of gas pretty quick, so it's very important just

507
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 3: to get at first, you know, three furlongs of the race, right,

508
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 3: And I think by doing that, it's just trying to

509
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 3: let them find their position instead of you're trying to

510
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 3: rush them into a position or drag them back to

511
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 3: find one, you know. So that's why gates are important.

512
00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 1: There not so much to do with we suppositionally, but

513
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: that first two hundred meters in a welding cup, do

514
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 1: you know in the first two hundred meters, I'm a

515
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: massive chance here or it's I can't see this happening? Yeah,

516
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: that quick.

517
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 3: It is, especially in the cup because you're coming down

518
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 3: the straight the first time and it's a roofless race

519
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 3: to ride, and like the jockeys, because you've got to

520
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 3: get a good spot. It's so important. You know, you're

521
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 3: getting the short back in sides all the time, and

522
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 3: that the pressure going into that first corner is just

523
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 3: it's for me, the hair stand up on your back

524
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 3: when you talk about it. There's just so much happening

525
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 3: in that first two furlongs and then you get past

526
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,719
Speaker 3: the winning post down the side of the track and

527
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 3: then everything just goes quiet. You know, and you can

528
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 3: hear the horses, you can, but going down the straight

529
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 3: first time because of the crowd and everything like that,

530
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 3: there's a lot happening.

531
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 2: You know, can you hear that crowd?

532
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 3: Now'd be like you guys, I guess I always ask

533
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 3: a lot of footy players can you hear the crowd

534
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 3: on the field? And I think what they happened problems

535
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 3: in the was it the state of origin with the

536
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 3: Queensland fans they couldn't hear it other.

537
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: Talking, I think there was I think it was finals

538
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: without playing let go Broncos.

539
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and they were struggling with the communication and that.

540
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 3: So for us it's it's like you guys, playing you

541
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 3: can't really hear a lot. It's bit of a white noise.

542
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: Funny with you watch it with the NFL. It's American football,

543
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 1: and you see it more when you go to the

544
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: ground when the opposition have got a really important possession.

545
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: Let's say they've got to make five meters on this

546
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: final play, then the team, the home team will just

547
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: rev up the crowd and they are screaming so that

548
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: the quarter they all can't communicate in the line of

549
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,719
Speaker 1: scrimmage because you know, what they have when they were there,

550
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 1: they do the attacking coordinator. They're allowed to have ear

551
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: phones to the quarterback, but they're the only ones. So

552
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: if they'll call a sequence and then the quarterbacks have

553
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: got to they've got to portray tell everybody else. But

554
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: then at the line of scrimmage the defense might change

555
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: and then they've got to do it again. So that crowd,

556
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: if it's roaring, they just can't communicate.

557
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 3: It's incredible in it.

558
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've said this before on the potty, but I

559
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: remember the left edge of the storm when it was

560
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: Cam Munster, Kenny Bromwich, justin Olum and the Fox. They

561
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 2: the crowd noise going in to finals were so getting

562
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 2: so loud, especially at games at sun Court, that they

563
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 2: come up with sign language for the moves. Really, so

564
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 2: there was a move called creepy and there was a

565
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: move called forty four. Creepy was named after Munster. Kenny

566
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 2: Bromige would hold up a cea to communicate that move

567
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: and then hold up before for the other one, and

568
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 2: then they had a couple other moves where they'd like

569
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: a bit more complicated names, but they'd have to do

570
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 2: it because it's too hard for months to run out

571
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 2: and get close enough for them to hear it.

572
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 3: Do you just have that like with plays though anyway,

573
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 3: Like even you say that's because of the crowd enough,

574
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 3: But so that's not a thing.

575
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 2: That wasn't that that was the first time I'd ever

576
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: experienced it, and like nobody they just come up. Kenny

577
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: had just come up with that because he was founding

578
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 2: it hard to hear. So then usually it's just all vocal.

579
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 3: Because you think it'd be actually come into a little

580
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 3: bit more often, wouldn't.

581
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: You Like if we if we when we played in

582
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: the Grand Final in ninety seven, if we got a

583
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: repeat set, we'd always go before the game we said

584
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: drawer in, flex out, which means we get a penalty.

585
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: Everyone just move into the middle of the field just momentarily,

586
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: and we can say I'm going to get to to

587
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: the middle for a birdie. Followed by that everyone just

588
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: FLEs back out again. So just that touching base because

589
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: that you know for yourself, you know you said trying

590
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: to steady the horse, the horse more relaxed going into

591
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: big games. One of the most challenging thing for a

592
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: halfback is not just controlling your own adrenaline but everybody

593
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: else's as well.

594
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, And you know it often.

595
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: Seems to see the ball early and there's just been

596
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: thrown sideline, a sideline that's just losing control of your adrenaline.

597
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and how do's what's we're backing up? You know

598
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 3: how they talk about, you know, the seven day back

599
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 3: up sixty How important is that to have the extra

600
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 3: day or two.

601
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: Oh massive particularly like like that's why finals, that's why

602
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: we kind of we both sort of thought Storm would

603
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: win the Grand Final based that was like the deciding factor.

604
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: They had nine days, Broncos had seven days because it.

605
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: Goes in the game the Broncos players and warm conditions

606
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: day football, which takes a lot more out of out.

607
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: But it's not even just the body to recover, it's

608
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: it's the work you can do during the week. Like

609
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 2: when you have anything that's seven day, So if you're

610
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,239
Speaker 2: playing Saturday to Saturday, that's a good amount of time

611
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: where you'll have two days off and then you can

612
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 2: get into a lot of work during the week. But

613
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: as soon as you go underneath, that throws the whole week.

614
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: Like sometimes on a six day turnaround, if you've had

615
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: a short turnarounds in a row. You might only get

616
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 2: one training session on the field together really, and then

617
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 2: you do your captain dry on the day before and

618
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: then that's it.

619
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 3: So you've got to manage it a bit more. And

620
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 3: every play is different, Like would you train some harder

621
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 3: than others? Like is it like horses where like he

622
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 3: reacts better if he's hammer him a bit more and.

623
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: Stuff like that. Yeah, without a shadow of doubt. In fact,

624
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: we had got a drink water and here last week

625
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: and we'll talk. I said, you're such a frustrating side

626
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 1: the cowboys. Yeah, you're capable of so much, like you know,

627
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: you great one week, pull the next, he said. Really

628
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: funny mate, he said, we found that the harder they

629
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: train is the better we go. But he said, but

630
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: with short turnarounds just not always possible.

631
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 3: You can't do it.

632
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: So they're aside that it's hard work. Tommy on the

633
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: like going into this race, when you talk about you know,

634
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: things like blood lines and whatnot, Which horses in this

635
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: going the milk have got the best blood lines? Headn't.

636
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 3: Oh? The Europeans definitely, you know, they're just they breed

637
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 3: them tough, and their stays they're running over short distances

638
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: as two year olds, where our two year olds won't

639
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 3: really well. They don't run past the mile up until

640
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 3: they get pretty much close to three, so you know

641
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 3: where they're running over twenty twenty four hundred at the

642
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 3: age of two, which is which can be quite taxing

643
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 3: on a horse. But so I think they breed them

644
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: for that. So they breed a good stay, we breed

645
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 3: good sprinters, we breed good two year olds. Where over

646
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: there it's not their things. So Europeans usually when they

647
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 3: come over, even though they haven't been they've been successful

648
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 3: enough in the Cup. But the best ones that they've

649
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 3: brought over aid and O'Brien and he's really struggled. His

650
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 3: son's done really well. I think he's won two Melbourne Cups,

651
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 3: so usually they've got it in the bag. I think

652
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 3: there's a French horse in it this year that brings

653
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 3: out really good form from France, and and then obviously

654
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 3: the favorite he's he's got to carry fifty nine kilos

655
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 3: this year, but he won the Saint Ledder and you

656
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,719
Speaker 3: know he's owned by I think your brother's mates Australian bloodstocks,

657
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 3: so yeah, yeah, yes, he'll be a great chance Yeah, you.

658
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: Talk about distance, then how important if you'll look at

659
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: like punners looking at their up and they go through

660
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 2: and they see horses form, and how many times it's

661
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: raced at that distance recently? How important is the prep

662
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,479
Speaker 2: distance wise? Like do you want to get a lot

663
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: of distance leading into the race.

664
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, well there's there's an old time I can't remember

665
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 3: exactly what it is, but Buck Cummings used to say

666
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 3: that to win a Melbourne Cup had to have so

667
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 3: many thousand meters you know under the under the belt,

668
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 3: you know, so whether it have to have three runs

669
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 3: at two thousand plus to win a Melbourne Cup. So

670
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: he always believed that they to have a good grounding

671
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 3: to run thirty two hundred and thirty two hundreds. Plenty

672
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: of horses will run twenty four hundred, but that thirty

673
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: two hundred, it takes a unique one, you know, and

674
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: they're usually the ones that are so good at thirty

675
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 3: two hundred struggle at the shorter distances as well.

676
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: About jockeys and if you're if you're exclusively a jockey

677
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: European jockey, the race always around that you know a

678
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: couple of miles and whatnot. Would you train differently than

679
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: you do in Australia.

680
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: No, I think you're still got to be well, you've

681
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: got to be as fit or fitter because it's you.

682
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: Obviously you're on the horse for a lot longer, and

683
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 3: especially if they're keen and stuff like that, so you've

684
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: got to work on yourself being fitter. But I find

685
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: with the European jockeys are a lot sharper now. But

686
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: when they first used to come here or used to

687
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 3: go to Hong Kong, they used to get left left

688
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: behind a lot at the start of the race because

689
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: they obviously in over in England and Ireland and stuff

690
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: like that. Their first three furlongs of the races they

691
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: sort of just find their positions and mosey on and

692
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 3: it's sort of gentlemen, yeah it is, and they build

693
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: into it. Where here it's like you bang them out.

694
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 3: You've got to find your position quick and then then

695
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: you get your mid race breather and then you go

696
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: from the six hundred. So it's a very different way

697
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 3: of riding. So the Europeans sort of really struggled when

698
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 3: they first came here, but they've sort of really adapted

699
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 3: with it now. And as I said, years off camera

700
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 3: when when it's their winter they'll go over and ride

701
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: in Japan and Hong Kong, and I think that's helped

702
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: them a lot when they go home.

703
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of so many aspects that

704
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: you blakes do. It takes courage and you know, but

705
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: that turn for home as you're heading into that last

706
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: six hundred meters on Melbourne Cup day in that race,

707
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: what's that like?

708
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's where you can feel it building up because

709
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: the six hundred is pretty much at the top of

710
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: the straight. It's so long, so you get down the

711
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 3: side there from the thousand meters in the Melbourne Cup,

712
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: that's when it really starts to build up. You have

713
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 3: a couple of early moves and the pressure will really

714
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: start to build and people start making their runs. And

715
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: then when the field feel the back markers are coming

716
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: up and around, they're riding really tight because they don't

717
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 3: want you popping out underneath and forcing him wide. But

718
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: then you're trying to make you run at the same time,

719
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 3: so it's a lot of jostling at that point. So

720
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 3: it's it's a lot of pressure going into that last

721
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: band and everyone's trying to find a run and there's

722
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: you've got the tiring horses on speed that aren't running

723
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: the distance you're trying to navigate to get around there.

724
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 3: So that eight hundred meters to the to the top

725
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: of the straight, you've really got to have your wits

726
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 3: about you.

727
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: Would you say it's the most dangerous race, I'd.

728
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: Say the Slipper is probably the most dangerous because you're

729
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: at rose Hill. You come out of that shoot in

730
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 3: the back straight and there's a short run to the

731
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 3: first corner, and obviously on two year old so you're

732
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: on inexperienced horses and you're rushing into that bend at

733
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 3: one hundred miles an hour. That's that's probably the roughest race,

734
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: you know, and you're.

735
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: You're a jockey right here, so you're going to understand

736
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: You're going to sorry I thought that, but I was

737
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: just interested to see how you answer this question right,

738
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: because I if I'm looking at a race, I always follow

739
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: jockeys like I've got I've got my jockeys that I like,

740
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: you're one of them, as roll time. But how influential

741
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: is a jockey on the hall? Like how much is

742
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: on the horse and how much is on the jockey?

743
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: You think a lot on the jockey. I think especially jockeys,

744
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 3: like footy players as well, when they're in form, there's

745
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 3: nothing better. You follow a jockey in form and then

746
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 3: when you see you go out of form, then you

747
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 3: sail off them for a while. But jockeys, they can't.

748
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: It's very hard for a jockey to start at his

749
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: peak for twelve months of the year, and that's what

750
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 3: we ride. We ride all year round, unlike you guys,

751
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: where you get your off season. So there's going to

752
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 3: be times where whether you're a bit fatigued or a

753
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: bit flat, or you just you're not you're not having

754
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: a great run and your confidence he's down, so you're

755
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: not making them second decisions that are the right ones.

756
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 3: So if you're following a jockey and he's at a

757
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 3: great week, just follow him into the next week. But

758
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 3: if you're following someone and you're losing all on the punt,

759
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: then just get off and get back on another.

760
00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: Is it really confidence game?

761
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 3: Like massive? Confidence is everything? You know, like you'll make

762
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: I heard you guys talking about once Reese Walsh like you.

763
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 3: When he's confident and he's he's running his own race

764
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 3: and he runs the ball a lot more, and you know,

765
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 3: gap seemed open for him. And it's same with jockey's.

766
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: When you're riding with plenty of confidence, things just seem

767
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 3: to happen for you in a race, and things happen

768
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: slower like it's like everything's in slow motion, where when

769
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 3: things aren't going right, everything's having one hundred miles now

770
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,959
Speaker 3: and you're trying to make decisions and then you're changing

771
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: your mind halfway through and stuff like that. So yeah,

772
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 3: confidences everything.

773
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: I'll put this question to you. If I gave you

774
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: ten grand right, you had to put it on, I'm

775
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: going to give you up. I'm going to get good, yeah.

776
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: And you.

777
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: To the roosters. If I give you ten grand right,

778
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: and you've got to put on one of two horses here,

779
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: you've got one horse that's ten out of ten horse,

780
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: but it's written by a jockey, a young jockey, good

781
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: jockey on the app but it's still a young joke,

782
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: like is that Lloyd? And then you get a horse

783
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: that's made out of ten and jas mc donald's riding it.

784
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: Who do you put this hand ground on?

785
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting because it depends. I'll throw this one

786
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: back at yeah. If you've got a young jockey coming

787
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 3: through that's got a lot of confidence, like a Reese Walsh,

788
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: you know, and they think they're the man. And Zack

789
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 3: Lloyd's a little bit like that. You know, he's he

790
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 3: knows he's good, so you put him on that and

791
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 3: they don't get scared, they don't get nervous or anything

792
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 3: of that because they think they're the man and they're

793
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 3: only young, so they've got no you know, they haven't

794
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: been beaten enough times to have any you know, like

795
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 3: any nerves or anything like that. So I'd go I'd

796
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 3: go to Zach Lloyd.

797
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: You're right, okay, but only if, like you said, if

798
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 2: he's in if he's in a confidence.

799
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 3: If he's riding well where James, like you talk about James,

800
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 3: and before the weekend winning the Cox played his I

801
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: think he went almost three weekends without a winner, which

802
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 3: doesn't happen with James, you know. And even he I said,

803
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: they ad you retired last week, you know, and he said,

804
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: don't worry. I felt like it because he hadn't been

805
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: in that position for quite a while. So for him

806
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: to win the Cox plate, I think that, you know,

807
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 3: you watch him for the next two or three weeks

808
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 3: of a cutweek, he'll kill it, you know, right, So

809
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 3: it's a big confidence thing, even with a bloke of

810
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 3: his stature and ability and yeah, I reckon Yeah, for

811
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 3: the next three weeks, it's going to be scary to

812
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 3: see what he does.

813
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: What about weight, Like, the Melbourn Cup's a big field.

814
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: You got top weight all the way down to the

815
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 2: bottom weight. At what point does weight become a big factor.

816
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, in staying races, Weight's a massive factor. In sprinting races,

817
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say so because they're not carrying it for

818
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 3: as long. But in the Melbourne Cup, the best waited

819
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 3: horse usually wins. I think that's what made I think

820
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: it was very elegant. She might have carried fifty eighth

821
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 3: that's what made her win so good because she had

822
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: to carry the weight. I think she won the core

823
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: Field Cup leading up to it like she was the

824
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 3: form horse in it. But usually the horses around, you know,

825
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 3: fifty three, fifty two kilos, sometimes at fifty one, they're

826
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: the ones that usually the better chances in Melbourne Cup.

827
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: But this European coming over with the fifty nine, that's

828
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 3: where it's going to be interesting to see if you

829
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 3: can carry that weight and win.

830
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: In an amazing like And I say to this to

831
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: the boys. Sometimes we talk about professional rugby league, for instance,

832
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: and you're trying to maintain a weight. You might have

833
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: someone that's ninety kilos and all of a sudden they

834
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: jump on the scales in game day and they're ninety

835
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: two and a half kolos And you go, well, that's

836
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: t onenty two and a half killer's not a lot.

837
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: But if you're riding a horse Tommy, like that European

838
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: horse's fifty nine kilos and suddenly they put sixty one

839
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: us back, does a win?

840
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think so, you know it's it's no,

841
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 3: it's it's a big difference. Like wait, when you get

842
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 3: that high, like I think when you're talking about fifty

843
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 3: two kilos or fifty one or fifty three, I don't

844
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: think it's a big difference. But when you get higher

845
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 3: in the weight, so I think it makes a difference.

846
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 1: At that And you look at that ninety kilos versus

847
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 1: a half ton animal, A difference to two kilos makes there's.

848
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: Two kilos a lot? Like would you say that's when

849
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: you start to see a differences from the wall.

850
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 3: I think they say kilo's kilo is two or three lengths,

851
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 3: so that's that's that's how they measure it. So two

852
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: kilo's six lengths. That's a lot of ground they've got

853
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 3: to make up, you know.

854
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, outside of More Felons, who are the horses

855
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: to boot something?

856
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 3: I'd say that the Corfield Cup form is obviously always strong.

857
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 3: You've got half rls that won it. It's in great form.

858
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: I think it's one eight out of its past ten.

859
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 3: If Buccaroo ends up there, I think he's a great chance.

860
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 3: He should have probably won the Melbourne Cup last year.

861
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: I don't think it was Joe's best ride that day.

862
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 3: And what's the other one something King Valiant King. I

863
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 3: thought it was really good in the Corfield Cup as well,

864
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: So I think the Corfield Cup form usually stands up

865
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: quite well. And then out of Sydney, I think, yeah,

866
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 3: More Felons is probably the one to take out of here.

867
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: But I think it's a very competitive races year. I

868
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 3: think the two Europeans that have come over they bring

869
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 3: strong form, but as I said, the weight he is

870
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 3: a big factor with them. But I think that the

871
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 3: Corefield Cup form will probably stands.

872
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: Is this the jockey his grand Final?

873
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 3: Like?

874
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: After that? Do they go on like a Maden Monday?

875
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: Nah? I wish the worst thing about the copes. It's

876
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: on the Tuesday. Then you've got Oaks Day on the Thursday,

877
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 3: and then you've got Champions down the Saturday, so you've

878
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 3: still got to back up for another two days.

879
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: So you're racing in all of them.

880
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll ride obviously, rode yesterday Derby Day, and then

881
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 3: I'll ride Cup Day tomorrow, and then i ride Oaks

882
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: Day and then I'll come back to Sydney for the

883
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 3: big day.

884
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: He about turnaround before with you, So the times you

885
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: have a forty minute turnaround between races. Let's imagine Tommy,

886
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: you know that tomorrow you know you're basically leading into

887
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: the Melbourne Cap. You've had three winners, right, how hard

888
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: is it, like, how hard is it to maintain focus?

889
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: Or more to the point, you've got the big race,

890
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: You've got the Melbourne Cap a little later in the day,

891
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: and then you've got another race in race too. How

892
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 1: hard is it to compartmentalized and just focus on yah,

893
00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 1: on the job at hand.

894
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 3: I think come with maturity as well, like as you

895
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 3: get older, you handle them situations better. And I think

896
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 3: riding in Hong Kong, because when I was riding in

897
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: Hong Kong, flying and flying out, I'd ride here on

898
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 3: a Saturday and then I'd get on the ten forty flight,

899
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 3: fly to Hong Kong, get there at six o'clock in

900
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 3: the morning. You'll be and you have eleven rides there

901
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: on the Sunday, and then you get back on a

902
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: flane plane and be back here on Monday. So you're

903
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 3: having a big day here on Saturday. You might ride

904
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 3: two or three winners, and then you've got to get

905
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 3: on the plane and you've got to you've got to

906
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: try and switch off and have a bit of a

907
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: sleep and then regroup again and go okay, now you've

908
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 3: got to be on the ball again.

909
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: Class class, what classes?

910
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: They fly over him and only turn left straight into

911
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 3: the cockpit. I remember having a young bloke there because

912
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 3: when they fly your family over, he was what was he,

913
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 3: I think to two or three years old Caden, and

914
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 3: he's sitting back in a recliner ch and these blokes

915
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 3: are walking past him to go to the back of

916
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 3: the plane and he's his three year old kid got

917
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 3: his own better than everything, Champagne.

918
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what you've said, him off for failure there,

919
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: because once once you turn left, turn and ride is

920
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 2: a whole lot sad.

921
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: It's very hard to do, isn't it.

922
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: It's hard to go back.

923
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 3: Well. There's been a couple of times where I've sent

924
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 3: down the back with the kids and yourself, mate, the

925
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 3: way people look at you when you do that, mate.

926
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: But I cop ship when I jump on you, like

927
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: just when we just fly just locally once we get

928
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 1: I think Fiji is to cut off after we feel

929
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: but we justly that time, mate, the ship I cop

930
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: and I'm walking down staying jet start and then I'm

931
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: going down right, and you have people in business you're

932
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: walking past and there going Oh fucking mate, you're going

933
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: down there.

934
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: I went up to towns Well early in the year

935
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: and the people that had flown up booked me business

936
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: and my town's was not a massive flight. It doesn't

937
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 2: really matter, but six seats back in economy belly Craig

938
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: and he was texting me and he didn't tell me

939
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: he was even on the flight. He just started abusing me,

940
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 2: saying you've changed, and I shoot myself. I thought I've

941
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: done something wrong. I've said something about him and he's

942
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: off it. And then I look back like half did

943
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: a flight and he was back there give me the finger. Anyway,

944
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: I told it on the poddy like the next week

945
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: because I thought it was a funny story, and then

946
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: there was all these like buzz Brotherfield said put it

947
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: in his Spotted Spotted article later in the week, being

948
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: like Spotted Craig Bellamy and Economy, whilst his former player

949
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: Cooper John's in business.

950
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 3: Good old Buzz too, trusting that it is the worst

951
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 3: feeling though, when you walk and past business and you

952
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: see people there and you just.

953
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: They give you that look walk like good and it's.

954
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 3: Like they get it. They mightn't even drink the fucking champagne,

955
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: but it's like they got it there just to sit there,

956
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 3: just so you can watch.

957
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: And you're were drinking bull warter, they're looking It's like

958
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: if you feel like you're begging for change on the

959
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: way through and they were all just looking down at

960
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 2: you throwing twenty cent.

961
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 3: Pieces, especially Jetstar too, because they charged for absolutely everything.

962
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: Peanut, Now some rapid fire questions, right, I love this

963
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: is on the world of jockeys. Okay, just for us

964
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: get going forward, Well just for the.

965
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: I suppose it's for everyone on the podcast.

966
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: If you were which jockey would you take to have

967
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: a great night out?

968
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: Mark Zara? Yeah, really he's a king. Yeah he goes

969
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 3: to Where does he go over a year? No, I

970
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 3: know he gets the super Bowl, but you're not part

971
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: of this. Where does he go to? Like what party?

972
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 2: Location wise?

973
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Michanos does he every year? Without fart? Oh?

974
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: He goes Greece summers?

975
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 3: Yeah?

976
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: Have you ever been to the Bergheim in.

977
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 3: What's what's an underground?

978
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: It is an underground hardcore stuff. Two hour line to

979
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 2: get in, and you've got a dress in all black

980
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 2: and there's a security guard there, famous security guard. He

981
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: reads people straight away. He knows if you're into that

982
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: sort of weird cuck stuff or like weird just like

983
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: if you're a bit of a weirdo and you'redressed like that,

984
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: he'll let you in because it's very like it's like

985
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 2: a fetish place.

986
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so there's people.

987
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I go every weekend.

988
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: Excuse me this sharny, but there's no easy way to

989
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: explain it. Basically, frozen ships. You use the dildos. Is

990
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: it really true the Germans that they've got to ship

991
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: in infatuation, which was told me by an old Hungarian man.

992
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: So what they do is they'll they'll cut one cut

993
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 1: some cable ship, just pop it in the freezer freezer,

994
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: then take the burg and uses the dill doll.

995
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that Let's let's not quote him an old

996
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: Hungarian man like he's not really like you know, it's

997
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: not NASA, so let's not quote him like fact. But

998
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 2: we have heard that multiple times from multiple sources and

999
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: don't and we don't want anyone to try it.

1000
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, please don't sick in your mouth. Now, what about

1001
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: the most who's the one jockeying? Okay, I'm going to

1002
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: have a big night out. I'm going to take So

1003
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: I take Mark Zara for the best. Who's the one

1004
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: I should avoid? Who was the most boring?

1005
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 3: Tom Mark? Yeah, he doesn't drink. Oh him and Willie

1006
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 3: Pike to Willie Pike's non drinker.

1007
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: Don't tell me that.

1008
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 3: He's a non drinker. But when he moved over here

1009
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 3: with what was it COVID because he wasn't allowed to

1010
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 3: ride in w A because he wouldn't get bacinated. He

1011
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 3: was living in the Caribbean on the property. Yeah, we

1012
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 3: shan't want to have let him in the house. I said,

1013
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: you can have the you're gonna have the Carabban. So anyways,

1014
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 3: like it was his second weekend over here and I'd

1015
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 3: ridden three winners, he'd ridden two, and Sharney was in

1016
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 3: camera with the kids. I said, mate, come on, you've

1017
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 3: got to have a few drinks with me tonight. He goes, oh, no, no, mate,

1018
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 3: said please, just I'm begging you. He goes right out.

1019
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: I said, what do you want to drink? He goes on,

1020
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 3: and I don't really drink you, so I'll just drink

1021
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: what you drink. So I got him a full packer

1022
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 3: double blacks. He was drinking what like that lemonades and

1023
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 3: he's already cross eyed anyway, and then they really started

1024
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 3: rolling back in his head and he was calling his

1025
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 3: missus while she was off me. After that, I don't.

1026
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 2: The double black sneak up on you. I remember back

1027
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 2: when you have house parties and like you know, you're

1028
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: you're underage and whatever, and you get like the real

1029
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 2: sugar drinks because you think it just tastes nice, tastes

1030
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: like ship to your back. Then Summer's bees and that

1031
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: and mate some of the blogs. You could get through

1032
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: a whole night on three double blacks and be blind

1033
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 2: for seven hours.

1034
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got the vineyards and you boke those sticky

1035
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: dessert wines in the first one and you go, oh

1036
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: that is darling, and then halfway through the bottle, it's

1037
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: just like I think I've got diabetes.

1038
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 2: We used to have a saying Backpike, drink what you like? Yeah,

1039
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 2: well that really that really has put a frozen turd.

1040
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: And that's Chris Farnum listening to John farn Is he good,

1041
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: Chris Panhum good, Chris Farnum, I mixed up my far

1042
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: and was parum John brother.

1043
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 3: He's good, but he's a bit the same he's he

1044
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 3: doesn't really you wouldn't. You wouldn't take him out for

1045
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 3: just put the lines through him in Patty Cary Patty

1046
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 3: Carvery is good, great on the piece, and you can

1047
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 3: pack him in your suitcase and take hi wherever you want.

1048
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 3: He's that big, so perfect.

1049
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: Okay, if you had a if you had a sister,

1050
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: which which jockey would you allow her to marry?

1051
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: To marry Bill.

1052
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: Pike sounds like a bit of a catch.

1053
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 3: I'd have to say Alan Robinson, Alan Robinson, well, would

1054
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 3: not let me nandating, Well, not Pumpa. What you're saying, No, No,

1055
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 3: I wouldn't wanted to get a.

1056
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: Papa's really going to love this.

1057
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 3: I remember the first time I met Pumpa. It was

1058
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 3: that it wasn't the first time I met him. But

1059
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 3: we're at Cananbury Jockey's Room. It's like, use all your

1060
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 3: shower out like in front of everyone. So anyway, I look,

1061
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 3: I looked in and I just stared at him and

1062
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 3: he goes, yeah, he goes reckon. They call me the pumper.

1063
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 3: But although it was the way you road, but well still,

1064
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 3: i'd say maybe carry back of boys. Yeah, he's just nice,

1065
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 3: most beautiful person you'd ever meet.

1066
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1067
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: Or Craig Williams.

1068
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah really Okay, what about the one that you would,

1069
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: under no circumstances les just to get here?

1070
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: Ah, Hugh Bowman, Yeah, you would be right up there

1071
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: with number one probably, And you'd have to say Reagan

1072
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 3: Byalos as well.

1073
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 2: Oh is he from Newcastle?

1074
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 3: Reagan bless he's Queenslander. Yeah, they breed him.

1075
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: Crazy up in Ipswich tweat outcouts from Is he a

1076
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: breakout out out you know? The sprinter? Oh yeah, yeah,

1077
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: he goes to he goes if he's still in school,

1078
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: still in school? Yeah, he's only seven, he's still finishing

1079
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: your twelve at ipswich grammar, Jesus.

1080
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: Freak and there's us Now are best karaoke performer?

1081
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 3: Best well, Robbie Dolan?

1082
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 1: Oh of course, yeah, what a like mate, likable.

1083
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 3: Have you done a couple of functions with him?

1084
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: No, no, I haven't.

1085
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 3: Oh he's a champion. Yeah, he's good fun, he's and

1086
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 3: you know, and he hates singing as well. You can't

1087
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 3: get him up on karaoke like he probably wouldn't do it.

1088
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 3: But he's but Irish obviously so can't drink and he's

1089
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: fifty one kilos. But yeah, he's great fun. That's won

1090
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 3: the Melbourne Cup was yeah, I understanding.

1091
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the one of the characters who did

1092
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 2: the speaking that game.

1093
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 3: Great characters.

1094
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: What's happening with the gate keeper? Well, yeah, he's a

1095
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: gatekeeper as well. He had his spare time beyond Baker. Yes,

1096
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: one of the great characters. Remember that night when that

1097
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: Afternoon Singers part with these guys Alan.

1098
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: Thomas got up and Alan was just he Tom. I

1099
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: was just basically teeing the volleyball up and was just

1100
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: smashing it. He was coming over these jokes. There was price.

1101
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 3: He's good like if you for an owner, like he's

1102
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: just he puts on a great, great day for you.

1103
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: Like he was. He was nearly stand up comedian level.

1104
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 2: It was sitting there hosing myself.

1105
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1106
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 3: Well they had to in the chairman's lounge. I think

1107
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,479
Speaker 3: in Melbourne he got kicked out because he was too loud.

1108
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: So yeah, he does.

1109
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: He does get quite sloppy, you know what I mean.

1110
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: Like he's at the races, everyone's in suits and that.

1111
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: But at this he had the tie was down, there

1112
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 2: was four buttons undone and he just looked like a

1113
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: sweaty mask.

1114
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: And Allen was there with his head like the Japanese flag.

1115
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 3: What's he doing now? Alan Alan Thomas, Alan Thomas Alan

1116
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 3: robber because I saw him. I saw him on They

1117
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: Had the Best of You with Reggie, Yeah, yeah, and

1118
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 3: had him on one of them, one of them. Yeah,

1119
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure it was the best off.

1120
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: We did a footy show one night and we're playing

1121
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: camera the next next The next night, in camera and

1122
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: they went right out. We've we've got to get you

1123
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: blokes and footy shows. We've got to play the cambon

1124
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: next day. I tell what I'll do. We'll send a

1125
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: stretched leamo fork and lay in the back you Chief

1126
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: and joe yep sweet. And as we're about to leave

1127
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: newcastleho does the left hand team in the shortland one

1128
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: of the suburbs there where you're going. He goes, I've

1129
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: got to pick up Alan Robinson. We're going ah fuck

1130
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: mat on the On the drive down there, he was

1131
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: punishing on the drive back and he jammed a few

1132
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: into himself. Mate, he was fucking mate. Chief was going

1133
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: to throttling. Really, Chief said to the driver pull over

1134
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: the side of the way. He got him out and said, mate, listen,

1135
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: keep caring. He gas mate old.

1136
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 3: But he chased me one day I accidentally hit him

1137
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 3: in the straight with me with He chased me the

1138
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 3: whole way around the back into the back straight to

1139
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 3: try and hit me get me back with a stick.

1140
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: Was in the local government.

1141
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 3: Yeah until he.

1142
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was already going on. I mean, really, what

1143
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: about right, Let's move to trainers. Most fun out apart

1144
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: from Bejorn.

1145
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 3: Michael Hawks he is great on a night out. He's

1146
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 3: good fun.

1147
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: I mean Chris Chris Lee's Yeah, he's good.

1148
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually they're both good, you know, and and actually

1149
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 3: their wives love a good night out as well. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1150
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 3: not very good.

1151
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,919
Speaker 1: What about worse the trainer that you would definitely? Why

1152
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 1: is it Chris Waller?

1153
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: Well, actually Chris is a bit of fun. I haven't

1154
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 3: been on a night out with him, but being to

1155
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 3: a lunch where he's had a couple of drinks and

1156
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 3: he loosens up a little bit.

1157
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: I want one last question for I just thought of

1158
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 2: it coming through. What's one piece of memorabilia that you want?

1159
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: Is there is there a dream piece? You know everyone's

1160
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: got someone might want to sign Michael Jordan this or

1161
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 2: Lebron James that. Is there something like that for you?

1162
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be. I'd say it'd have to be

1163
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 3: probably a Melbourne cup, like one of Buck Commings Melbourne cups.

1164
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 3: If I could have one of them?

1165
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: Does he sell them or you'd have to?

1166
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, he's not alive, he passed.

1167
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there must be there'd be somewhere them.

1168
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was somewhere, but I don't know, like that'd

1169
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 3: be pretty cool because me growing up, obviously you'd leave

1170
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 3: school early to get home to watch the Melbourne Cup.

1171
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 3: And obviously Bart was I think won eleven of them,

1172
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 3: so he'd have one to hopefully share around.

1173
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: I did a story about Bart, so they did a

1174
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: docco only once down his place and he said, I

1175
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: do you must have been this guy's production company's house

1176
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: and I said, I'm going to barbecue and yeah, he said,

1177
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: love steak. Anyway, they've gone on. Sorry, we can't. We

1178
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: should have thought ahead. They need to frosting and Bart coming,

1179
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: he said, doesn't worry me, I'll lead it frozen. And

1180
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: they said they all sat there and disbelieve as he

1181
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: was literally so he ate it frozen, a frozen steak.

1182
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 2: No, there's no way he could do that. He was like, soaring,

1183
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: that's coming it.

1184
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 3: He had a he had a health inspector come to

1185
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 3: the stables one day and got to the end of

1186
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 3: it and they said, mister Cummings, you've got a problem.

1187
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 3: You've got too many flies in your stable. And he said,

1188
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: all right, well just let me know how many how

1189
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 3: many I'm about that and I'll get a sort of.

1190
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: Mate. Was it was? It did he did he have

1191
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: was it Gerner's lane or yeah? Or was there another one?

1192
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: Let's a lope? There was a story. I don't know

1193
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: if it's me.

1194
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 3: He took it a japan Cup? Did he? Pretty sure?

1195
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: Did he? There's a story in Melbourn Cup Day and

1196
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's urban myth that they said

1197
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: that Melbourne Cup day. His trainer or one of the

1198
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: young trainers went down and let's the lope I think

1199
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: it was was just laying laying on the ground and

1200
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: he went in. He said, oh to Bart he said,

1201
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: it's quite lethargic, and you know, we're just we're going

1202
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: to give a bit of a troup. Will give it

1203
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: a rest, he said, mate, get the saddle on it,

1204
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: take it down to the beach and just flog it,

1205
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: work it hard. He's gone, mate, it's Melbourne Cup day.

1206
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: He said. I know when a horse needs to be worked.

1207
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: He got to workers out of its lethargy. I did

1208
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: it then one moment.

1209
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a freak, wasn't he was the best?

1210
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 2: I think that was looking? Was that a fact check?

1211
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 2: Were you asked? Have you ever heard that before?

1212
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 3: I know I haven't, but I can find pretend on

1213
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 3: the next one.

1214
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that.

1215
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 3: You know.

1216
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: The worrying thing, as I just say that, was the

1217
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: fact that the bloke who told me that is my

1218
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: father Gary, and my father is one of the great liars,

1219
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: told me.

1220
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 3: I couldn't lie straight and better as well we get along.

1221
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 2: Well, thanks, Tommy.

1222
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: Now I've got some before you before you go to Tommy.

1223
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: You got it out there because my wife I had

1224
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: this certain minute memorabilia and this was given to me

1225
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: by my late great great grandfather who was one of

1226
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: the first jockeys and it might have been the first

1227
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: jockey in Australia to ride two thousand winners, really called

1228
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: Sam unwin so looking up that I wrote a book

1229
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: about him called Only Winners Can Laugh. So he gave

1230
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: me this picture and it was Archer winning the first

1231
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: It was like a drawing of Archer winning the first

1232
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: of all the Melbourne Cup. And it sits out in

1233
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: the garage. Trush won't let it into this room. So

1234
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 1: my grandfather would love nothing more for me to tell

1235
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: him that I gave it to tom.

1236
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 3: Be beautiful, appreciate that, tell him now, I suppose yeah,

1237
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 3: well I'm talking figuratively.

1238
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and thank you for here, tom You gave us

1239
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: the jockey helmet. That is all.

1240
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 3: Actually, once I got that done for your dad, I

1241
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 3: actually want to get one done for myself as well.

1242
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 3: It's pretty good.

1243
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you can't have this one, which would which

1244
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: one was like, you know, needed to make get this

1245
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: sign for Maddie, which one was like oh wow, which

1246
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: one was sort of a fucking that asshole, which.

1247
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 3: Moment I said, I need to get this done for

1248
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 3: Maddie because that had some good nights out with him.

1249
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: Good luck tomorrow, Tommy, thanks for having on shy