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Speaker 1: I approache production.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon? It was, do you reckon? Like

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Speaker 2: did you look up to them kind of people? Like,

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Speaker 2: like what age were you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I was like fourteen fifteen, you know what it was.

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Speaker 3: It was just I was just always trying to do

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Speaker 3: things that the kids minds weren't doing, you know, just

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Speaker 3: to feel like, to feel cool something. But the good

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Speaker 3: thing about it was I learned a lot of shit

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Speaker 3: real quick. Like I learned about a lot of things

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Speaker 3: real quick. And I saw things that I probably should

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Speaker 3: have said at that age, you know, when I was young,

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Speaker 3: you know, hanging out with people they just got out

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Speaker 3: of jail on fourteen, smoking pot, and you know, did that.

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Speaker 2: Make you want to do it to get in with them,

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Speaker 2: them guys who were doing that or Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Like I just I just always wanted to experience something

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Speaker 3: that was not right for me to do, you know,

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Speaker 3: like we all wanted to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And the thing was like I'm hanging out with my

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Speaker 3: with my brother, you shop whatever, and I'm going and

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Speaker 3: hanging out in Blacktown. I'm making the boys there and

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Speaker 3: then they'll be like come kick it with us. We'll

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Speaker 3: go go end up in some dodgy shit with all

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Speaker 3: these you know, crack cunts from just from come out

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Speaker 3: of jail. You know, they all look like junkies and that,

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Speaker 3: and I'm fucking sitting there like full shitting my pants,

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Speaker 3: like fuck with these guys.

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Speaker 1: Make you know.

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Speaker 3: I had people like offer me ies, offer me this,

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Speaker 3: offer me that, but I always need to say no

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Speaker 3: to that ship like pot. I would smoke it because

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Speaker 3: I'd see my brothers do it and my brother do it,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's all right, It's not bad.

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Speaker 3: Ye, But offered like all that heavy ship and I

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Speaker 3: was like, nah, I don't want to try that stuff.

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Speaker 2: You didn't. You never went down the path of either

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Speaker 2: trying to like deal or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: Never. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But because my family they worked hard.

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Speaker 1: I never really needed money. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's different when when you're when you're a young kid

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Speaker 3: and you need money and you got a hustle and

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Speaker 3: sell ship to fucking get by. But when I I

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Speaker 3: know my I know my family is all right. You know,

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Speaker 3: I know I've got my head screw on.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I was just doing it just just for fashion, really

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Speaker 3: not even fashion, but just to know that go you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean, just to know how to mingle

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Speaker 3: with these people, how they think, what they.

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Speaker 1: Do, why they do it. And it made me really

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Speaker 1: really wise in my life.

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Speaker 3: Man, Like, you know, go on a university of a

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Speaker 3: bunch of geeks, working two years as a civil engineer

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Speaker 3: and sacking it all and becoming a broke fighter, you know,

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Speaker 3: hanging around with the fucking the roughest people of Sydney.

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Speaker 3: You know pretty much?

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Speaker 1: What was that?

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Speaker 2: What was the worst thing you would have done? Like

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Speaker 2: growing up down as a kid, like with the law.

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Speaker 2: Was it anything they got you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Like did you have any any charges on you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: He did, but not really.

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Speaker 3: I didn't do anything bad but sub shit Like I

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Speaker 3: got arrested at the cross one time for nothing was

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Speaker 3: holding cells and something else like that.

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Speaker 1: Got kicked out of a nightclub and I wanted to

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Speaker 1: go back in the club. Man.

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Speaker 3: I got kicked out. These guys were racking in the

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Speaker 3: bathroom and I was like, Bro, I go, bro, can

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Speaker 3: you get out of the bathroom. I need a piss.

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Speaker 3: He goes, I want to see what you're going to do.

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Speaker 3: And then I was with my mate and I laughed

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Speaker 1: I turned around and sick.

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Speaker 3: He grabs me and starts dragging me out and I

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Speaker 3: just paid for a table, bro, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: So I was like, what the fuck? I just got

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Speaker 1: ripped two grand or whatever.

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Speaker 3: And then I get kicked out and the cop pushed

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Speaker 3: me and goes, you got to get fifty megus away

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Speaker 3: from the venue, and I was like, I was like, bro,

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Speaker 3: I didn't even do anything, you know.

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Speaker 1: And then I walked away and I was burning, bro.

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Speaker 3: I was like, bro, two k fucking and I'm getting

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Speaker 3: kicked out now it was my mate's twenty first.

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Speaker 1: I said, fuck this, bro. I walked back to the club.

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Speaker 1: I go, bro, please, like, let me speak to you

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Speaker 1: about it. Whatever. He goes, come with me across the road.

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Speaker 1: He grabs me by the arm, like.

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Speaker 3: Real hard, and then I was like, bro, relaxed, and

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Speaker 3: then he said something Bro.

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Speaker 1: I turned around. There was six coppers. They grabbed me,

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Speaker 1: took me the other side.

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Speaker 3: It's like a pumping me, bro, with knees in my body,

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Speaker 3: like whacking me and screaming stop resisting.

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Speaker 1: Stop resisting. I was like, bro, I don't even resist

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Speaker 3: There's six of youse. Bro, They're huge, like these coppers are.

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Speaker 3: They're big coppers. You know what, man, they're on little cops.

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Speaker 1: And then they took me.

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Speaker 3: Into the holding to the to the fish tank at

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Speaker 3: King's Cross and Bro'm in this fish tank and they

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Speaker 3: all just fucking putting it on me, and I'm fucking

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Speaker 3: losing it. Bro, I'm cracking this purse bags. I'm like

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Speaker 3: your fucking dogs, you know, like losing my mind. And

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Speaker 3: then I thought about it. I go, Bro, these guys

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Speaker 1: What they want you to do?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And and then I went, you know what, fuck this, bro,

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Speaker 3: and I just went like silent. I just sat there

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Speaker 3: and they kept asking me questions. I was like, fuck you,

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Speaker 3: but they gave me bowel conditions to get I have

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Speaker 3: to leave the Kings Cross area and I had to

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Speaker 3: go to court for resisting arrest and trying to enter

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Speaker 3: a premises that I've been removed from.

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Speaker 1: And all this bullshit.

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 1: And then I was what the fuck?

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Speaker 3: And I was like whatever, Bro, I was pissed off,

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Speaker 3: and I was like, Bro, I'm gonna go to the

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Speaker 3: d SG. I'm gonna buy a packet of sick rest

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have a smoke. Bro, this is bullshit, said.

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Speaker 3: I was having a smoke, and Bro, these fucking this

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Speaker 3: hobo was getting harassed by like these little coppers, you know,

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Speaker 3: and Bro, bro living Malone, he's fucking homeless, you know,

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Speaker 3: and these guys must have shot it. And they called

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Speaker 3: the fucking same cops just arrested me. And then I

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Speaker 3: turn around. Bro, the same guy that he goes, you've

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Speaker 3: breached your bell. You come and you come with us.

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Speaker 3: So I'm back in this fucking fish take again. Bro,

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Speaker 3: I'm fucking losing it. Bro, fucking losing it. And then Bro,

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Speaker 3: They're like, oh, we're going to take you to Surrey

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Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck is that? Bro, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I haven't been to any of these baits.

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Speaker 1: You ground for the boof and you go. Then the

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Speaker 1: boys don't know where I am.

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Speaker 3: Like I was twenty years old, you know, like no

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Speaker 3: one knew where the funk I was. And broh, I

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Speaker 3: get taken to this space.

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Speaker 1: They told me to take your shoelaces off, take my shirt,

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Speaker 3: Squat cough checked me everywhere, and then they put me

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Speaker 3: in the fucking this this fucking massive jail cell, you know,

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Speaker 3: with riding everywhere's fucking ship on the.

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Speaker 1: Floor like it was chat bro, disgusting. It was freezing cold.

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Speaker 1: And then Bro, I'm just like sitting there sleeping. And

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Speaker 1: then they moved me in the morning. Bro, they moved

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Speaker 1: me in the morning, and I go to this soil.

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Speaker 3: It was this little Aussie junkie guy and this African,

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Speaker 1: I looked at this African guy.

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Speaker 3: I go, bro, I know you. He goes from where

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Speaker 3: I go. You used to kick her out back down.

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Speaker 3: He goes, yeah, what's your name? Because he goes, biggie.

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Speaker 1: I go, I know you. I described him.

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Speaker 3: I was getting.

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Speaker 1: Bro. We had a yarn for ages.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Bro, we spoke for ages. And then I got

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Speaker 1: to me? You know? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And then I know, can'ts fucking knowing all this other

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Speaker 3: share and they're getting out running around doing whatever the

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Speaker 3: funk they want to do, Like it's just did you

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Speaker 3: think do you think going back to that that that

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Speaker 3: was that was when you got kicked out of the club.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that's a typical thing for the coppers

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Speaker 2: and and and a lot of dormant to do because

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Speaker 2: of the way you look. Yeah, bron, because I used

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Speaker 2: to see that in across that a lot of the

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Speaker 2: coppers used to just fucking go for people like yourself

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Speaker 2: all the time because of the way you look in

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Speaker 2: a stereotype look yeah one hundred.

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Speaker 1: You know it's funny, bro, Like they pick on people

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Speaker 3: But Bro, I won't even crack someone if if I

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Speaker 3: wasn't getting paid for it, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: Like I want to start trouble because bro, like like

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Speaker 3: like I'm what I'm licensed bired like combat sports. But

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Speaker 3: if I get done punching on like, it's like my

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Speaker 3: career is pretty much finished.

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Speaker 1: Like every time we get.

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Speaker 3: Booked to fight, the cops have to check our name

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Speaker 3: to see like what we're what we've been doing, you know.

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Speaker 3: And Bro, like I'm not going to fuck that up

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Speaker 3: for to have a drama of someone that doesn't even

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Speaker 3: know how to fight, you know what I mean. Like,

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Speaker 3: there's no point bro, and cops they what they're gonna understand,

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Speaker 3: I think is that Like, Bro, it's not just people

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Speaker 3: that look like us, Bro, Like, you know, it's it depends.

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Speaker 2: That's the persona. That's the persona that the cops have

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Speaker 2: that they look at you guys and just think, wow,

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Speaker 2: trouble makers, get them out to cross the same there's

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Speaker 2: a huge dom in the same way, like to get

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Speaker 2: kicked out of a club just because of that, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean, get like you've done nothing wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, it's the security in the in the

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Speaker 3: clubs too, bro, you know like like bro, like like

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Speaker 3: I've seen Sekey kick out people for keavin bumps and

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Speaker 3: lines and the toilet and that.

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Speaker 1: But bro, why are you doing that for? Like let

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Speaker 1: him fucking doors? Let them do it. Yeah. I used

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Speaker 1: to tend the blind eye sometimes, like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you keep him happy, Yeah, they're not gonna

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Speaker 3: fuck it out, you know what I mean. Yeah, Like

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Speaker 3: it's it's it's when you leave and you get kicked

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Speaker 3: out and you think, Bro, you know, I'm gonna go

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Speaker 3: back there.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna we'll find that ship like that.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 2: So when when did when did you start fighting?

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Speaker 1: What? What? What would you when you started fighting?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 3: I started on mush lights when I was six that

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Speaker 3: really yeah, but like it was like a traditional mush light.

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Speaker 3: I trained with this place for like eighteen years and

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Speaker 3: then I when I when I was like fourteen, I

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Speaker 3: got introduced to Mike Tyson and I was just watching

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Speaker 3: I was like, bro, I want to fucking do that. Bro.

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Speaker 3: I used to literally have dreams of it, Like I

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Speaker 3: used to have dreams when I was in high school

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Speaker 3: of like knocking someone in a big crowd, and I

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Speaker 3: was like, bro, I want to do that. I didn't

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Speaker 3: even watch UFC.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even know one. U made you go to UFC? Then?

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Speaker 2: And what made you go to that?

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Speaker 1: Not boxing? Because yeah, well that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: I used to watch boxing and just train boxing by

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Speaker 3: myself all the time. But because I was doing martial

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Speaker 3: arts for so long, I had hectic kicks and like

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Speaker 3: all that ship and when I would spa boxes, I

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Speaker 3: felt very like limited.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, bro, if I could kick this

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Speaker 1: guy in the head like batshit bro, you know.

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Speaker 3: And then I started training with this guy in his

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Speaker 3: backyard and then I was like, bro, I need to

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Speaker 3: spar people.

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Speaker 1: He goes, go to my gym.

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Speaker 3: It's called Australian Top Team. He goes, but be careful

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Speaker 3: because if you go there, like they're going to try

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Speaker 3: and rip your head off. Like my gym it's bro,

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Speaker 3: it's a tin shed. Honestly, it's in the middle of Paramatta,

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Speaker 3: like and people from many people from doing so all

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Speaker 3: the fucked up like you know areas of Sydney.

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Speaker 1: You know, they want to train somewhere.

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Speaker 3: They've been here, you know, they come here and they

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Speaker 3: come and they're just you know, criminals whatever, any any

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Speaker 3: any person from anywhere, geeks, nerds from everywhere. People who

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Speaker 3: pursue it. They go to these kind of.

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Speaker 1: Gyms because because this is where it's at, this old

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Speaker 1: school kind of looking. Yeah, it's old school looking and

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Speaker 1: it's the real deal, you know, it's not watered down.

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Speaker 3: So I went there by myself once or after I

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Speaker 3: quit my job with engineering, like I had nothing, Like

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Speaker 3: I was with you then twenty one, bro, like yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I went there, Bro, and Bro, I got pumped

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Speaker 3: by a fourteen year old kids. Yeah, Bro, like he

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Speaker 3: was he was a gun man. And then like everyone

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Speaker 3: bashed me, and then I just kept coming back.

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Speaker 1: Bro.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I never took a personal I was like, fuck, bro,

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Speaker 3: I just want to get good, you know. And then man,

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Speaker 3: I just kept training there and I left that martial

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Speaker 1: And my coach just debuted in the UFC.

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Speaker 3: And and then Bro, six months later, my my coach goes, hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to book your fight in two weeks, and

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Speaker 3: I was like, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, fuck it. And then he goes but the guys

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Speaker 1: at brown belt jiu jitsu, and.

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Speaker 3: I was like, fuck, like I've been doing like jujitsu

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Speaker 3: for six months, Like brown belt is like five six

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Speaker 3: years of top of my fuckingro Like he gets me

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Speaker 3: on the floor, I'm like a fish like I do. Anyways,

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Speaker 3: I got booked this fight and Bro, in the second round,

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Speaker 3: I knocked this cunt soane uppercut and then I, for

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Speaker 3: some reason, Bro, I just waved again like after I

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Speaker 3: knocked him, like just a bit of smart grass.

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Speaker 1: And everyone loved it.

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Speaker 3: I just felt the fucking like, you know, and they

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Speaker 3: went viral all over Facebook.

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Speaker 1: Back then Facebook was the thing, you know.

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Speaker 2: I want to listen to the episode in full, click

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Speaker 2: the link in the descript