Speaker 1: Peto Quedlin live from New twenty four.
Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program, kicking up for another
Speaker 2: week here on Credline. Here's what's coming up on the
Speaker 2: program tonight. Another migration mess from One Nation rookie David
Speaker 2: Farley today claiming that the party's immigration plans about the
Speaker 2: same as Labors that was yesterday morning. Will not so,
Speaker 2: says Pauline Hanson. Farley's causing her a headache over what
Speaker 2: will be the big issue at the next election. And
Speaker 2: this is why it's a big issue. New figures today
Speaker 2: revealing eighty six percent of Melbourne's post pandemic population growth
Speaker 2: has come from overseas migration. Labour's importing people faster than
Speaker 2: we can build homes, infrastructure and have the jobs to
Speaker 2: support them. I'll speak with Opposition leader Angus Taylor. The
Speaker 2: un special rapp manteur on women and Girls says Australia's
Speaker 2: gender policies are absolutely out of step and calls for
Speaker 2: an overhaul all the Sex Discrimination Act and a senior
Speaker 2: pediatrician facing a complaint for speaking out on gender medicine,
Speaker 2: Professor Gary Gilhold joins me later in the program, and
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister today out, talking tough on anti Semitism
Speaker 2: and underscoring the work of the Royal Commission, but stopping
Speaker 2: short of answering the calls to extend it. Quick listen
Speaker 2: to this, quick to call out neo Nazis, but nothing
Speaker 2: again on radical.
Speaker 3: Islam twenty years ago when we're discussing neo Nazis, we
Speaker 3: are now. It is of real concern and any Semetism
Speaker 3: has no place, thanks very much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't like doesn't like the word radical Islam
Speaker 2: or the words radical Islam. Does He will get to
Speaker 2: that in a moment. First, on Wednesday this week, the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister will chair a meeting and National Cabinet on
Speaker 2: the agenda is the issue of violence against women and girls.
Speaker 2: And all this meeting has even been held, we know
Speaker 2: what the outcome will be. More millions thrown at the problem,
Speaker 2: More tough sounding language from the politicians, tough language and hypocrisy,
Speaker 2: particularly coming from the Prime Minister, because on this Anthony
Speaker 2: Albanese is a fraud. For weeks and weeks, Albanese refused
Speaker 2: to confront the fallout from that crude podcast where he
Speaker 2: humiliated the Japanese Prime Minister and his own recently married
Speaker 2: wife those groping breast gestures and shagging comments. But then
Speaker 2: suddenly on Thursday night he turns up on the ABC
Speaker 2: acting all remorseful in relation to that, what did you learn?
Speaker 3: Well, I learned that I need to do better every
Speaker 3: day and of course if I have the time again,
Speaker 3: which you don't, then I wouldn't have done that podcast.
Speaker 3: You know, we have a view which is trying to
Speaker 3: talk to as many people as possible. But clearly that
Speaker 3: was an error.
Speaker 2: Now remember this wasn't organized by his office. A comedian
Speaker 2: slid into his DM started following him online and he
Speaker 2: started messaging her. That's how it all happened. And the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister had just had two weeks in the parliament
Speaker 2: to be contrite. So what changed by Thursday night? Was
Speaker 2: it because Alban Easy or his office got a tip
Speaker 2: off that the AFL players at the center of the
Speaker 2: City Swan scandal allegedly joked about quote having done an
Speaker 2: elbow with the women now accusing them of assault. Is
Speaker 2: that why? Because Labour knew that the weekend's front page
Speaker 2: about doing an elbow was coming. Well here is more
Speaker 2: of that report published in the Herald Sign on Saturday,
Speaker 2: and it reads as the lights dimmed, the music was crazy,
Speaker 2: and the early morning degenerated footballers are alleged to have
Speaker 2: jokingly referenced Prime Minister Anthony Albanese's controversial melon's gestures about
Speaker 2: Japan's first female prime minister while they were taking lap
Speaker 2: dancers doing an elbow. They allegedly called it. Now, as
Speaker 2: I've said here before, not every case of disrespect against
Speaker 2: women ends in violence, but every case of violence starts
Speaker 2: with disrespect. Remember Albanese's conduct and the way it's already
Speaker 2: been picked up allegedly by footballers. When he lectures us
Speaker 2: on Wednesday about violence against women and how we all
Speaker 2: must do better. Well, yes we should, Australia, but the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister is in no place to lecture anyone. His
Speaker 2: treatment of women in that podcast has now become notorious.
Speaker 2: His words about women and girls will they are hollow
Speaker 2: and trying to high behind his female colleagues rather than
Speaker 2: simply apologizing, is gutless and weak, so to their willingness
Speaker 2: to be conscripted to defend the indefensible. I completely disagree
Speaker 2: with that interpretation. It is one hundred percent wrong.
Speaker 4: The Liberals have absolutely lost the plot trying to perpetuate
Speaker 4: this ridiculous, this ridiculous thing. Look, sure, elite privileged sportsmen
Speaker 4: women too should set an example, but so too should
Speaker 4: elite privileged politicians. And when they get it wrong, as
Speaker 4: Albanezi did, they should apologize. Now the footballers have apologized,
Speaker 4: they've been stood down for allegedly doing an elbow, amongst
Speaker 4: other claims, an albow will still no apology to the
Speaker 4: Japanese Prime Minister, as he keeps trying to brazen it out.
Speaker 2: More today too. On the Albanezer government's cruel cut to
Speaker 2: health services for veterans, Opposition leader Angus Taylor has now
Speaker 2: formally written to the Prime Minister asking him to intervene
Speaker 2: and scrap the new five thousand dollars cap, saying that
Speaker 2: the Coalition would support this move without reservation, said Taylor.
Speaker 2: The cap is also at odds with the lessons of
Speaker 2: the Royal Commission into Defense and Veterans' Suicide. The Royal
Speaker 2: Commission made one hundred and twenty two recommendations. Cap on
Speaker 2: veterans allied healthcare was not one of them. Instead, it
Speaker 2: called for timely and accessible care and fewer barriers for
Speaker 2: veterans seeking support. Now, as we go to wear tonight
Speaker 2: the Liberal leaders on the annual Polypedal charity bike ride.
Speaker 2: This year it's in North Queensland and as well as
Speaker 2: raising money to support veterans, the charity of this year
Speaker 2: is Wounded Warriors. Taylor's riding alongside former and current military personnel.
Speaker 2: As he says is in his letter to alban Easy,
Speaker 2: I've spoken with veterans and their families who are deeply
Speaker 2: worried about what this cap will mean for them. They
Speaker 2: are simply asking for the care they were promised for
Speaker 2: injuries and conditions they carry because they served our country.
Speaker 2: And Angus Taylor makes a very obvious point there are
Speaker 2: five better places to find budget savings than the healthcare
Speaker 2: of Australians who have worn our nation's uniform and the
Speaker 2: families that have supported them. Will cross lived Angus Taylor
Speaker 2: on the road a little later in the show. But
Speaker 2: veterans groups, well, they're only getting louder in their condemnation
Speaker 2: of this move to limit their access to health support,
Speaker 2: and if you can join their fight, I really encourage
Speaker 2: you to head to their website fair Care for Veterans
Speaker 2: dot com dot au and show your support because, believe me,
Speaker 2: this battle has just started and look. Finally, more calls
Speaker 2: today for the Royal Commission into the Bondo massacre to
Speaker 2: be extended, including from New South Wales Premier Labour's Chris Mins.
Speaker 5: If we need to go a couple of weeks longer,
Speaker 5: given that most of the expense was spent setting it up,
Speaker 5: that would seen to be money well spent, because both
Speaker 5: the federal and and the state government are relying on
Speaker 5: these recommendations to shape some of our policy.
Speaker 2: Now today the Prime Minister has been reluctant to say
Speaker 2: much at all here. Not surprising, after all, he had
Speaker 2: to be dragged kicking and screaming to hold the Royal
Speaker 2: Commission in the first place. But having been involved in
Speaker 2: a few Royal commissions before I started working in the media,
Speaker 2: I want to put this one into a bit of
Speaker 2: context for you if I can. The twenty fourteen Royal
Speaker 2: Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption will that ran
Speaker 2: for twenty months. The Royal Commission into Defense and Bedwoods
Speaker 2: Suicide established July twenty twenty one, final report hand down
Speaker 2: three years later September twenty twenty four. The twenty eighteen
Speaker 2: Aged Care Royal Commission handed down its final report two
Speaker 2: and a half years later in March twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: The Royal Commission into the Banking, super and Financial Services Industry, Well,
Speaker 2: that was fourteen months long. The Disability Royal Commission, well,
Speaker 2: that ran for four and a half years. The Royal
Speaker 2: Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse that was
Speaker 2: a mammoth, mammoth, five year long inquiry, six commissioners in total.
Speaker 2: If the Bondi Royal Commission stays to the timeline set
Speaker 2: up by Anthony Albanizi, it will run from January to
Speaker 2: December this year. Now that's not even one full year.
Speaker 2: Eleven months to work out how fifteen people could be
Speaker 2: slaughtered as they were, and how on earth we stop
Speaker 2: it ever happening again in less than a year, How
Speaker 2: we deal with due hate that is anti Semitism, how
Speaker 2: we confront the threat of radical Islam, and what we
Speaker 2: must do to keep Australian safe. All of that in
Speaker 2: eleven months. What works, what doesn't work, Whether systems and
Speaker 2: authorities have failed us as clearly they did last year again,
Speaker 2: all wrapped up, done and dusted in eleven months. So
Speaker 2: you can see the calls to extend this anti Semitism
Speaker 2: and Royal commission or they make good sense, and they're
Speaker 2: also the precedent. There you saw, all those are the
Speaker 2: royal commissions. They've all gone a hell of a lot
Speaker 2: longer than this one. What also concerns me too are
Speaker 2: the people who are yet to be called to give evidence,
Speaker 2: people like Anthony Alban easy and individuals like this.
Speaker 6: Smiling and I'm happy.
Speaker 7: It's a day of courage.
Speaker 2: I want him in the dock. I want him under
Speaker 2: oath giving evidence. I want every other hate preacher we
Speaker 2: can named exposed put in the stand. Beyond the politicians
Speaker 2: who on that day of tragedy were in charge. I
Speaker 2: want Australia's Islamic leaders their front and center. Too often
Speaker 2: they are silent even when atrocities occur in the name
Speaker 2: of Islam. Their condemnation, if it comes, is slow. Right
Speaker 2: now in this country, the federal government is spending over
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty million dollars on programs to prevent radicalization.
Speaker 2: And I want to know where these Islamic organizations spend
Speaker 2: the money they get, the money they get to run
Speaker 2: these programs, as some of them do, and I want
Speaker 2: to know the results that we get as taxpayers for
Speaker 2: these millions We should not need to call for the
Speaker 2: Royal Commission to be extended. It should already have happened.
Speaker 2: And if Commissioner Bell does it right to the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister seeking an extension, well he should write to her
Speaker 2: offering her one, as well as making it absolutely clear
Speaker 2: that he is willing to appear not stupid, not easy,
Speaker 2: not hard. Let's get it done. Come on, let's go
Speaker 2: out of cam for the headlines. Our reporter Cameron read
Speaker 2: it good evening.
Speaker 8: On a trip to Western Australia. The Prime Minister has
Speaker 8: categorically ruled out scaling back the state's generous GST deal.
Speaker 3: There will be no change to WAHGST arrangements. Whilst I'm
Speaker 3: Prime Minister.
Speaker 9: I think every Western Australian is both relieved and pleased
Speaker 9: to hear the words from the Prime Minister today.
Speaker 8: One Nation is a game cleaning up after one of
Speaker 8: its MPs. This time David Farley stands accused of freestyling
Speaker 8: on the party's immigration policy.
Speaker 9: We're saying it needs to be the one hundred and
Speaker 9: thirty thousand non plus about one hundred thousand more yeh
Speaker 9: at a minimum.
Speaker 8: One Nation later clarifying its target for the norm or
Speaker 8: net Overseas migration number is in fact one hundred and
Speaker 8: thirty thousand flat, not the suggested two hundred and thirty.
Speaker 7: Look, I'll carry this around as long as I have to.
Speaker 5: Today.
Speaker 10: David certainly understands where he went wrong today and.
Speaker 11: That's just what happens, especially when when you're starting off
Speaker 11: in politics.
Speaker 8: Cameron Reddin News twenty four Canberra.
Speaker 2: We'll stay with that issue in the confusion, of course
Speaker 2: created yesterday by David Farley and the mop up job
Speaker 2: joining me in our new twenty fourth political contributor chrisy
Speaker 2: Yillman Chris Barnaby there tries to put it down to inexperience,
Speaker 2: but you and I know Farley's history. He's run big
Speaker 2: agricultural companies, He's done plenty of media and this isn't
Speaker 2: the first time we've seen him at odds with Paul Enhansen.
Speaker 2: When I visited him during the bar election, filmed him
Speaker 2: up there in the seat of Farah, I was out
Speaker 2: on the edge of the immigration policy. He's a big
Speaker 2: migration guy. Is this a policy ambiguity? If I could
Speaker 2: call it that? Going to damage one nation?
Speaker 9: Well, it hardly helps Peter and that's obvious from the
Speaker 9: mop up job that we're seeing at the moment. Because
Speaker 9: if there's one thing that you hear from everybody about
Speaker 9: what they like about paul and Hanson, it is that
Speaker 9: she has been consistent. You'll hear people say over and
Speaker 9: again she said the same thing for the last thirty years.
Speaker 9: And one thing she's been adamant about is migration, that
Speaker 9: there are too many, and she's also been adamant about
Speaker 9: the mix being wrong, and this just adds to a
Speaker 9: sense of confusion about what one nation's policy is. David
Speaker 9: Farley is clearly an intelligent and reasonable guy and understands
Speaker 9: that migration is a difficult thing to get a handle on.
Speaker 9: He needs overseas workers in his electorate to help pick
Speaker 9: the fruit there. So what's happened, as we've seen, is
Speaker 9: the growth of this party is going to become a
Speaker 9: problem for Pauline Hanson because the more voices that she
Speaker 9: gets in it, the more dissent that she'll get within it,
Speaker 9: and the Mortal start to look like an ordinary political party.
Speaker 2: There's some images of Farley getting cozy with the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister in the chamber last week. Yesterday, in that interview
Speaker 2: with David Spears, he was full of praise for the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister, saying that they were working on a multi
Speaker 2: million dollar bail art for Sunrise, the business that's in
Speaker 2: his electorate. Have a listen.
Speaker 1: I was impressed how Albanzi at the Governor General's event
Speaker 1: the other night came straight up to me and said, look,
Speaker 1: I'm aware of it, I'm working on it. We'll get
Speaker 1: it done. So he deviend the pan yep. Even after
Speaker 1: as we left the chamber the other day, we spoke
Speaker 1: all the way across to the Senate talking about it.
Speaker 1: How could it be done and put together?
Speaker 2: Come in, Spinner, I mean, Chris, you've seen this. Albert
Speaker 2: Easy is a master at curring relationships with the disaffected.
Speaker 2: I mean Oakshott and Windsor. That was alban Easy's scalp
Speaker 2: in that hung Parliament era. He had worked on them
Speaker 2: for a long time. He's already had two defections to
Speaker 2: Labor since he became Prime minister. Is that the game
Speaker 2: at play here?
Speaker 9: Well, I'll take you back to one more, Peter Slipper.
Speaker 9: He was one that coached Peter Slipper out of Liberal's
Speaker 9: ranks and to make him the speaker and to make
Speaker 9: life difficult for the opposition, so I'm sure that probably
Speaker 9: is on the mind, so that the Prime Minister that
Speaker 9: they might have a target there. I noticed the National
Speaker 9: Party's been out and about saying that in the past
Speaker 9: David David Falley had trailed his coat with the Labor Party.
Speaker 9: So certainly his opponents will be making the most of it,
Speaker 9: and again it causes headaches for one nation.
Speaker 2: Let's just mention Chris's documentary tomorrow night. It'll be straight
Speaker 2: after this program, Fight for the Right seven o'clock here
Speaker 2: on Sky, do not miss it. What about these reports
Speaker 2: over the Herald Sign in the Herald Sign over the weekend.
Speaker 2: I mentioned them at the top of the show. Chris,
Speaker 2: You've got this allegation now that the Swan's players were
Speaker 2: in that room at the hotel, the paid entertainment. The
Speaker 2: women were there doing their lap dance and the boys
Speaker 2: were quote doing an elbow while they were receiving lap
Speaker 2: dancers from the women. Apparently this relates to groping gestures
Speaker 2: around their breasts and other things. I mean, I reckoning
Speaker 2: he had a tip off here, because that was in
Speaker 2: the papers on Saturday. Come Thursday night, we hadn't heard
Speaker 2: anything from him. Crickets for weeks and weeks and weeks.
Speaker 2: He suddenly appears on the ABC saying I regret the podcast.
Speaker 2: I wish I'd done better. He didn't apologize, but he
Speaker 2: almost got there. And I think this whole thing, if
Speaker 2: it's now discussed by footballers behaving badly Chris, if that's
Speaker 2: where we are, it's incredibly unbecoming for our prime minister.
Speaker 9: Weok, Obviously, a little tiny bit of foresight's way better
Speaker 9: than a lot of hindsight.
Speaker 7: And can I say I.
Speaker 9: Was overseas at the time the story broke about Kylie
Speaker 9: Minogan and the Prime Minister, because the Brits, of course
Speaker 9: are obsessed with Colin Minoga, not necessarily the Prime Minister.
Speaker 9: I thought, where on earth did that come up? How
Speaker 9: does the Prime Minister even get engaged in that kind
Speaker 9: of conversation. So I did look it up and I
Speaker 9: did see that it was on a podcast called bush Deep.
Speaker 9: Now that I would say is that the Missus Slocum
Speaker 9: end of comedy, look, the my Pussy end of comedy,
Speaker 9: the Benny Hill end of comedy. So if you could
Speaker 9: not work out beforehand that that was a podcast that
Speaker 9: the Prime Minister should not necessarily be on then you
Speaker 9: weren't really showing a lot of insights. So I would
Speaker 9: say that the sin there is one of commission, not
Speaker 9: one of our mission. It's not one of hindsight, it's
Speaker 9: one of foresight. But I think if the Prime Minister
Speaker 9: I had thought at the end of his time his
Speaker 9: legacy would be doing an elbow, he'd hope that might
Speaker 9: be saving Australia, perhaps from some crisis. Perhaps it might
Speaker 9: be or I don't know, fighting a war and saving Australia,
Speaker 9: or saving the economy, or making Australia a better place.
Speaker 9: I don't think he did hope that his legacy would
Speaker 9: be doing an albow meant juggling melons.
Speaker 2: You know what, I don't understand this part of it.
Speaker 2: Chris So he didn't have to do that podcast. It
Speaker 2: wasn't like he was it frontier, a political interview that
Speaker 2: you know they have to go in the lions Den
Speaker 2: occasionally in campaign periods. He didn't have to do it.
Speaker 2: He sorted out. He dm this woman. He gets out there,
Speaker 2: but even when she asks the questions at a tawdry
Speaker 2: like that, he doesn't have to answer them. He could
Speaker 2: have said, look, I'm going to leave that there. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to answer that question. They do it routinely
Speaker 2: if they don't want to talk about debt numbers, if
Speaker 2: they don't want to talk about a botched announcement. You know,
Speaker 2: they do it all the time with you, with me
Speaker 2: and other and others in the media. Why he felt
Speaker 2: it was necessary to answer these questions and to go
Speaker 2: where he did, staggers me.
Speaker 9: Not very hip, though, is it Peter to go on
Speaker 9: a podcast which has got really one aim in life,
Speaker 9: which is to deal in this sense of humor, and
Speaker 9: then not play along with the game. So the problem
Speaker 9: is that once you are in that environment, you have
Speaker 9: to play along with the game, otherwise your gain to
Speaker 9: look pretty undergraduately answered, absolutely, it is, which is why
Speaker 9: he should never have been there in the first place. So,
Speaker 9: and it was clearly his decision to be there. Somebody
Speaker 9: had to organize, someone had to organize the lot right
Speaker 9: to get the camera crew in there to do this podcast.
Speaker 9: So it was with eyes wide open that this was
Speaker 9: engaged in and the outcome is now there for everyone
Speaker 9: to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it should be hung around his neck. Christianeman, thank
Speaker 2: you now to the staggering revelations over the weekend that
Speaker 2: eighty six percent of Melbourne's post pandemic population growth has
Speaker 2: come from overseas migration, the numbers revealing that our arrivals
Speaker 2: are outstripping local births four to one. It comes in
Speaker 2: boundary pressure for the Albanezer government to finally reveal it's
Speaker 2: rebooted policy on migration that was due for release. It's
Speaker 2: almost a month ago. Now, come on, Tony Burke, haven't
Speaker 2: seen a thing? Joining us now to discuss this and
Speaker 2: more on the road this moment now as part of
Speaker 2: the Polypedal Ride, the charity bike ride, Opposition leader Angus
Speaker 2: Taylor and the bloke who founded this ride some thirty
Speaker 2: years ago. Goodness me, your old Toney have it. Welcome
Speaker 2: to you both. I'll get back to the ride in
Speaker 2: the moment if I can. Angus, I want to get
Speaker 2: you to respond to supple a couple of issues that
Speaker 2: are very timely today. David Farley, those comments about the
Speaker 2: migration number, then that rebuke from Pauline Hansen, do we
Speaker 2: know what their number is?
Speaker 12: Well we can, I say Peter that our focus is
Speaker 12: on getting rid of a rotten labor government that's led
Speaker 12: Australians down on migration, and they're the ones who have
Speaker 12: been absolutely all over the shop on migration since they
Speaker 12: came to government back in twenty twenty two five hundred
Speaker 12: and fifty thousand people. Any year when we've been sitting
Speaker 12: on around two hundred thousand, the numbers have been too high,
Speaker 12: the standards have been too low.
Speaker 7: Both must change and can I.
Speaker 12: Say, Peter, they have exceeded their targets every single time
Speaker 12: they've lost control. There's clearly a big brawl going on
Speaker 12: inside Labor.
Speaker 7: They can't agree.
Speaker 12: Frankly, the right answer is what we've laid out in
Speaker 12: our plan to cap migration based on housing supply, bring
Speaker 12: down the numbers substantially below two hundred thousand, as we've
Speaker 12: talked about before, and make sure we raise the standards
Speaker 12: and use Australian values as a screen who comes to
Speaker 12: the country.
Speaker 2: So your beef's less about David Farley getting a number
Speaker 2: wrong and the mop up job in the last twenty
Speaker 2: four hours, and more about the fact that Labor got forecasts,
Speaker 2: they don't meet and they've got a minister in Tony
Speaker 2: Burke that we're not hearing from.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, obviously they've got to sort that out.
Speaker 12: But The real people who've got to sort out migration
Speaker 12: policies is the Labor Party who failed Australians, absolutely failed Australians,
Speaker 12: and right now they're clearly brawling within their team. Tony Burke,
Speaker 12: Alban easy charmers, who knows, but they can't agree. And
Speaker 12: that's why the numbers have consistently come in above target.
Speaker 7: The numbers are still.
Speaker 12: Too high, the standards are too low, and we're all
Speaker 12: paying the price.
Speaker 2: Melbourne's post pandemic numbers. Though eighty six percent of our
Speaker 2: growth from overseas, there's tool that. In practical terms, the
Speaker 2: projections are that Melbourn's headed for population as high as
Speaker 2: ten million. The state's basically bankrupt, it's drowning in dead
Speaker 2: How is this sustainable, Angus.
Speaker 12: Tod It's not, Peter, and that's why we need to
Speaker 12: move from mass migration to traditional Australian skilled.
Speaker 7: Migration, which has worked for this country.
Speaker 12: We are a great immigrant nation, but that's worked because
Speaker 12: we've brought people in with the skills we need. In
Speaker 12: the numbers we can deal with making sure that we
Speaker 12: don't bring people into the country where we don't have houses,
Speaker 12: and we're bringing in the skilled people we need where
Speaker 12: we've got gaps. Look, that's a long tradition since the
Speaker 12: Second World War, Peter, and we've done it well.
Speaker 7: We need to get back to that.
Speaker 12: And what you're talking about there in Melbourne is not
Speaker 12: that it's even worse than that, Peter. The only thing
Speaker 12: growing the economy now is population growth.
Speaker 7: That's a complete and utter failure, and.
Speaker 12: That's why we need a plan to turn around the
Speaker 12: economy to protect our way of life, and immigration is
Speaker 12: central to that.
Speaker 2: We'll talk to me about gas because energy is central
Speaker 2: to the economy as well. You've announced to some parameters
Speaker 2: if I can call them that today, about new deals
Speaker 2: with states and territories to unlock gas supply. Tell us more.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 12: First and foremost, Peter, we've got to bring down the
Speaker 12: cost of energy in this country, so we're not sending
Speaker 12: industry offshore, and so we don't see what we've seen
Speaker 12: in the last four years where the forty percent increase
Speaker 12: in electricity prices.
Speaker 7: To do that will scrap net zero.
Speaker 12: But we'll also make use of the extraordinary natural resources
Speaker 12: we have in this country, the coal, the gas, the
Speaker 12: uranium and Matt Canavan and I announced today that we
Speaker 12: will put pressure on state governments to approve projects using
Speaker 12: those great natural resources we have. We see in Victoria
Speaker 12: a complete unwillingness of the state government to use its
Speaker 12: gas resources. Well, if they're going to continue with that
Speaker 12: under a coalition government, there will be consequences. They won't
Speaker 12: get access to the funding that they would otherwise get
Speaker 12: if they're not prepared to make use of the natural
Speaker 12: resources they need and their country needs.
Speaker 2: Right now, Tony Abott, you're on the polypedal ride. You
Speaker 2: do this every year. You founded it, as I said
Speaker 2: almost thirty years ago, Explain to my viewers why this
Speaker 2: was suction an important thing for you to create, when
Speaker 2: you did, what motivated this to be developed, and how
Speaker 2: much have you raised over the years.
Speaker 11: Well, Peter, we started it back in nineteen ninety eight
Speaker 11: because I thought back then there was a danger of
Speaker 11: us living in a Canberra bubble and losing touch with
Speaker 11: the real Australia. There's a sense in the real Australia
Speaker 11: is outside of the big cities, and through this polypedal
Speaker 11: bike ride we get to see parts of the country
Speaker 11: where politicians don't usually go and lead people on their terms,
Speaker 11: not ours.
Speaker 7: We've also been raising money for good causes.
Speaker 11: For the last decade or so, it's been egg service charities,
Speaker 11: first soldier on now wandering warriors and don't our special
Speaker 11: forces soldiers need support at this time?
Speaker 2: Well, certainly they do, Angus. And I know you've written
Speaker 2: to the Prime Minister. I've seen the letter. You want
Speaker 2: him to step in. Now, step in and you push
Speaker 2: mat Keo out of the way. Fix this cap, take
Speaker 2: away this budget hit on veterans. I know you're writing
Speaker 2: with veterans. I know you in and out of ourselves
Speaker 2: on this trip. What's been the response for veterans about
Speaker 2: the events of last week.
Speaker 12: Oh, well they're angry, Peter, they're angry, and you can
Speaker 12: understand why they've fought for our country and they expect
Speaker 12: us to fight for them. And rightly so, we've got
Speaker 12: a minister who's got it wrong time and time again.
Speaker 12: He's got it wrong on supporting the family of Cameron
Speaker 12: Beird VC, he got it wrong on funding of the
Speaker 12: Invictus Games, he got it wrong on the medallic recognition
Speaker 12: for veterans, and now he's got it wrong on this
Speaker 12: cap on health services. Well the CAP's got to go,
Speaker 12: but frankly, the Minister's got to go.
Speaker 7: To because he's not up to the job.
Speaker 11: The only thing this government has prepared to cut, the
Speaker 11: only spending they're prepared to cut, is spending on veterans,
Speaker 11: and that's a disgrace.
Speaker 13: Is the disgrace?
Speaker 2: All right? Where can people angus go to support this
Speaker 2: if they've got the ability.
Speaker 12: To do so, If they just type in polypedal Powie
Speaker 12: polypedal into their search engine, they'll have a choice as
Speaker 12: to who they want to support.
Speaker 7: But all of it is going to the wandering warriors.
Speaker 12: And the important point here is that's our special forces
Speaker 12: veterans who, as Tony said, really need and deserve support
Speaker 12: at this time.
Speaker 11: And Angus and I are in a competition planners to
Speaker 11: see who can raise the most money.
Speaker 7: That's true.
Speaker 2: Well, I know you're at an RSL there, and I
Speaker 2: suspect you both deserved a beer and that we people
Speaker 2: wanting to speak to you, So thank you for speaking
Speaker 2: to me tonight, and all the best tomorrow. With your
Speaker 2: your aging legs, I couldn't do what you're doing, so
Speaker 2: all the very best.
Speaker 6: There you go.
Speaker 2: They're running something like one hundred and thirty kilometers a day,
Speaker 2: so that's a serious bike ride and Tony didn't get
Speaker 2: to the number, but I checked it out. Seven million.
Speaker 2: Seven million has been raised since it was founded all
Speaker 2: those years ago, all right after the break. The pledge
Speaker 2: from the Victorian Liberal leader that they will get tough
Speaker 2: on sentencing, tough on court reform should they be elected
Speaker 2: in November. Jess Wilson coming up, welcome back, coming out.
Speaker 2: Calls for an overhaul of the Sex Discrimination Act get
Speaker 2: louder the first. The Victorian Opposition has announced plans to
Speaker 2: split the state's Court of Appeal into two if it
Speaker 2: wins or they've enber state election. A coalition says it
Speaker 2: will establish a new Court of Criminal Appeal to ensure
Speaker 2: that judges sit on that bench with backgrounds in criminal
Speaker 2: justice to handle sentencing reviews. It's very interesting joining me now,
Speaker 2: a Victorian Opposition leader, Jess Wilson. Okay that the lawyer
Speaker 2: in me loves this because this is real reform. Jess,
Speaker 2: me too. What's motivating this change? Because I know the
Speaker 2: Law Institute of Victoria. They've come out and you've ruffled
Speaker 2: a few feathers. Why is this important? How does it
Speaker 2: work now? And explain why your change will make it
Speaker 2: better for Victorians.
Speaker 14: Right now we have one Court of Appeal that deals
Speaker 14: with both civil matters and criminal matters. Our change is
Speaker 14: to split that into and create a separate Court of
Speaker 14: Criminal Appeal to deal specifically with criminal matters, which will
Speaker 14: mean we'll have to appoint new judges with criminal expertise.
Speaker 14: That will essentially create new common law precedents, if you like,
Speaker 14: we're implementing and if we're elected this year, new adult
Speaker 14: crime adult time laws, which will bring tough new laws
Speaker 14: when it comes to sentencing for young offenders in particular,
Speaker 14: and we want to make sure that our criminal justice
Speaker 14: system is actually working for Victorians, that is meeting those
Speaker 14: community expectations, is accountable. I don't think at the moment
Speaker 14: that victorians think it is. We have a crime crisis
Speaker 14: in this state. We have a revolving door of bail
Speaker 14: under the Labor government, and too many young offenders in
Speaker 14: particular are getting a slap on the wrist and not
Speaker 14: understanding that there should be consequences for breaking the law.
Speaker 14: So this will change the way that our court system
Speaker 14: operates to ensure that that common law precedent is being
Speaker 14: created for sentencing and it is filtering through the entire system.
Speaker 2: So the law Institute have said, and we've got this
Speaker 2: on the screen so people can read it. The moment
Speaker 2: governments start telling courts what outcome to produce, you stop
Speaker 2: having and independent judiciary. What would you say to.
Speaker 14: That, Well, I'd say it's Parliament's job to make the law,
Speaker 14: it's judge's role.
Speaker 2: To enforce the law.
Speaker 14: And this system has operated in New South Wales for
Speaker 14: a century and it's operated well. This is a very
Speaker 14: common sense decision that goes to structural reform of our
Speaker 14: criminal justice system to ensure that it is meeting community
Speaker 14: expectations and it's actually ensuring that we're seeing victims at
Speaker 14: the center of our criminal justice system. At the moment,
Speaker 14: I think that the pendulum has swung far too in
Speaker 14: favor of the perpetrator, and this is something that will
Speaker 14: go alongside our bail reforms, our sentencing reforms, our plans
Speaker 14: to put three thousand more police on the street, but
Speaker 14: also to change the way we structure our criminal justice
Speaker 14: system to ensure that it is meeting community expectations and
Speaker 14: it's accountable.
Speaker 2: One thing people may not be aware of too is
Speaker 2: most of the benchmost of the judges tend to come
Speaker 2: out of the commercial civil area of law very if
Speaker 2: you come out of criminal law. But they could find
Speaker 2: themselves in cases where they're required to have an understanding
Speaker 2: and knowledge of the criminal law in this state. I'm
Speaker 2: sure they can read it. That's not from where they've come.
Speaker 14: That's right, and judges will be appointed as they are
Speaker 14: now on merit. The independence of our judiciary is so important,
Speaker 14: as you know the separation of powers. But the separation
Speaker 14: of powers goes to the fact that Parliament makes the
Speaker 14: laws and judges enforce the laws. And what we're creating
Speaker 14: with the Court of Criminal Appeal is allowing us to
Speaker 14: appoint judges that have that background and that criminal expertise
Speaker 14: that they can bring to the courts to ensure that
Speaker 14: they are enforcing our tough new laws when it comes
Speaker 14: to sentencing.
Speaker 2: So you're not upset to ruffle a few feathers with this.
Speaker 14: No, it's my job as Victoria's alternative premier and hopefully
Speaker 14: Victorians put their trust in me the new premier in
Speaker 14: November this year, to end the crime crisis in this
Speaker 14: state and make sure that our judicial system is working
Speaker 14: for Victorians and its meeting community expectations. I'm not going
Speaker 14: to apologize for making the decisions required to make sure
Speaker 14: that Victorians have faith in their criminal justice system.
Speaker 2: I will say to you on the V and I
Speaker 2: West change of heart. Originally it was a review, and
Speaker 2: now it will be scrapped. I know you and I
Speaker 2: spoke many times, and I know you went out and
Speaker 2: you've met with people and you've listened. Yet is that
Speaker 2: what was behind the As.
Speaker 14: You know, Peter, I spent thirty six days on the
Speaker 14: road visiting every electorate in this state all eighty eight,
Speaker 14: and a lot of time was spent on the ground
Speaker 14: in regional communities and particularly the areas affected by V
Speaker 14: and I West. It's clear that the Labor government has
Speaker 14: bulldozed over the rights of farmers and property owners in
Speaker 14: that area and there's no community license to see that
Speaker 14: project go ahead. But it's also a project that first
Speaker 14: started off, as you know, with an estimate of around
Speaker 14: two billion dollars. Of course that's blown out to nearly
Speaker 14: twelve billion dollars. Now that could add six hundred dollars
Speaker 14: to every power bill here in Victoria, and it won't
Speaker 14: do anything to deal with the looming shortfalls when it
Speaker 14: comes to energy here in just a few years time.
Speaker 14: When we see your lawn clothes in mid twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 14: So instead of focusing on poles and wires, you know,
Speaker 14: maybe in twenty thirty and hundreds of dollars on energy bills,
Speaker 14: I'm going to put in place in energy security requirement
Speaker 14: that will see more gas come online and to make
Speaker 14: sure that we have that capacity so that when the
Speaker 14: lights need to stay on and we drive down energy bills,
Speaker 14: we have that answer throughout.
Speaker 2: Requirement to get more gas online. People will like just
Speaker 2: though that you listened, that you got out there and
Speaker 2: you listened, because too often the politicians don't want to
Speaker 2: admit they've got it wrong or don't want to adjust
Speaker 2: their position in any way that will be refreshing.
Speaker 14: Well, and that's a type of premiere I want to be.
Speaker 14: I've met so many different Victorians over recent months, and
Speaker 14: I've gone to meet them where they are, whether that's
Speaker 14: on their farms, at their kitchen tables, in their businesses,
Speaker 14: on their high streets, actually listening to the concerns. And
Speaker 14: my plan to fix Victoria is informed by Victorians. It's
Speaker 14: a contract with them that they have helped me design
Speaker 14: because they've talked to me about the issues that matter
Speaker 14: to them. But also we now need to solve those problems.
Speaker 14: Real change it has a plan. I know that I
Speaker 14: have the plan and my team has the plan.
Speaker 2: What about those people I've spoken to plenty of them,
Speaker 2: you know, eighty year old farmers. Multiple communities have seen
Speaker 2: people find at big fines. What happens to those fines?
Speaker 2: They're gone.
Speaker 14: They will not continue under my leadership. I think it
Speaker 14: is outrageous that we are seeing people being fined on
Speaker 14: their own properties, when we're seeing these so called authorized
Speaker 14: officers come on without the permission of the property owners.
Speaker 14: They're gone under my leadership.
Speaker 2: I's going to talk to you about desk debt, but
Speaker 2: I've run out of time paping.
Speaker 14: It's just two hundred billion dollars, which is just in Victoria.
Speaker 2: Thanks enough, Thanks, yes, all right, that's it for me.
Speaker 2: Let's go to a quick breakout of the break that
Speaker 2: you and Special Rappord tour on violence against women and girls.
Speaker 2: She's in Australia. She's slammed our gender policy, says it's
Speaker 2: completely out of step. Will talk to a GP, a
Speaker 2: pediatrician who has now faced a formal complaint because he
Speaker 2: is concerned about transgender treatments. That's next, well, the bank'still
Speaker 2: to come the battle of free speech. Pauline Hanson set
Speaker 2: to challenge Section eighteen C in the High Court. We'll
Speaker 2: talk to James Ashby about that in a moment, But
Speaker 2: just before I bring in my next guest, I would
Speaker 2: to update you on something a very important intervention from
Speaker 2: the UN Special Rapporteur on Violence against Women and Girls.
Speaker 2: Her name is Rheim al Salem. She has slammed Australia's
Speaker 2: gender policy as completely out of step. Al Salem's in
Speaker 2: Australia and she's joined the call for an overhaul the
Speaker 2: Sex Discrimination Act to put back in protections for the
Speaker 2: rights of biological women. Importantly, she's also called for an
Speaker 2: independent inquiry into the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency. This
Speaker 2: is OPRA over its treatment of medicos who expressed concern
Speaker 2: about gender medicine and children, which brings me now to
Speaker 2: my next guest. He's one such medico, Professor Gary Gilhald,
Speaker 2: has become the latest to be hit with a complaint
Speaker 2: from the regulator for speaking out about his concerns the
Speaker 2: gender distressed teenagers cannot possibly consent to transgender mystectomies. The
Speaker 2: anonymous complaint is over six months old and relates to
Speaker 2: an article in The Australian which Professor Gearhold was quoted
Speaker 2: as saying children can't vote, they can't drive a car,
Speaker 2: they can't fight for their country. They can't do all
Speaker 2: of these things, and yet they're allowed to consent to
Speaker 2: lifelong medications and mutilating surgery. I keep in mind Professor
Speaker 2: Gilhold has had years of experience as a pediatrician and
Speaker 2: a researcher who's also served as the Chief Medical Officer
Speaker 2: of WA, as well as directing the emergency department at
Speaker 2: the Princess Margaret Hospital for Children. I'm pleased to say
Speaker 2: that Professor Garry Gearhold joins me now, thank you for
Speaker 2: your time. Professor. I keep coming back to this issue
Speaker 2: because I think it's so important we ventilate concerns that
Speaker 2: you know, everyone around the world tends to have, but
Speaker 2: not ventilated enough here in Australia. But I want to
Speaker 2: be a place where we can defer doctors like you
Speaker 2: speaking up based on the hypocratic oath. I mean, what
Speaker 2: concerns you most about the treatment by the regulator of
Speaker 2: you and other colleagues, and a broader issue of gender
Speaker 2: medicine treatment in this country for young people.
Speaker 15: Thanks Peter, Yeah, it's it may be a coincidence, but
Speaker 15: I spoke out quite publicly about six months ago in
Speaker 15: the press on your program, just raising concerns about the
Speaker 15: current affirmative approach to the management of young gender confused
Speaker 15: children and adolescents. It may be coincidence, but I within
Speaker 15: a week of me complaining to Opera directly about their
Speaker 15: treatment of doctor Andrew Amos, essentially for saying the same
Speaker 15: things that I did, are received a sort of a
Speaker 15: please explain from them as well. Now, it's not surprising
Speaker 15: that there've been complaints Opera about me and Andrew, because
Speaker 15: this is a subject that's you know, quite debated. However,
Speaker 15: what is strange that they should have sent to both
Speaker 15: those complaints to Andrew and me in the sense that
Speaker 15: usually these things that are just clinical matters, people talking
Speaker 15: about clinical opinion that shouldn't concern Opera. So that was
Speaker 15: a bit that was a bit strange, and one of
Speaker 15: the reasons that there may have been the cases that
Speaker 15: if Opera actually has some sort of voice in this,
Speaker 15: you know, they should be actually outside of this, outside
Speaker 15: of clinical issues, they shouldn't be taking sides. Based on
Speaker 15: that we under of information we're able to get some
Speaker 15: minutes and agendas of meetings of opera subgroups LGBTQ, you know,
Speaker 15: interest groups within opera that seems to show quite clearly
Speaker 15: that they have a bias, that is, they support gender
Speaker 15: affirming care. Now that shouldn't be the role of opera
Speaker 15: at all. So on that they said, if I wasn't
Speaker 15: happy with their response to my complain about doctor Amos,
Speaker 15: I should complain to the National Health Professional Health Practitioners Ombersman.
Speaker 15: So I've done that and the ombudsman wants to see
Speaker 15: the papers that we got under freedom of information, so
Speaker 15: we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 2: How can we be so out of step with the
Speaker 2: rest of the world, now, well.
Speaker 15: It's partly a lot of It's partly, I would say
Speaker 15: to OPRAH in the sense that people who do actually
Speaker 15: give an opinion have been sensored. If you look what
Speaker 15: happened to Andrew Amos and to Jillian Spencer, they you know,
Speaker 15: both shut down everyone I speak to and be you know.
Speaker 6: Privately will agree with I think the majority of.
Speaker 15: Health practitioners in Australia agree and yet they can't they
Speaker 15: can't speak out look at the center of this is
Speaker 15: really just it should be a medical it's this new
Speaker 15: phenomenon of all these young people confused about their gender,
Speaker 15: and it should be we look at this affirmative model,
Speaker 15: we say, what is the evidence that it actually helps
Speaker 15: these young people in the long term that seems to
Speaker 15: be lacking. What is the evidence that it could harm them?
Speaker 15: Given the treatment is lifelong hormones and surgery and so on.
Speaker 15: The evidence for harm there is real, So we should
Speaker 15: be weighing that up, and as new evidence becomes available,
Speaker 15: we should say, you know, we'll change our approach if necessary.
Speaker 15: On the other side, you have people who believe in
Speaker 15: a trans soul and basically believe if a child comes
Speaker 15: forward and says, I mean the wrong body, they should
Speaker 15: be affirmed and regardless of the evidence. Now, to sort
Speaker 15: of illustrate that in a way, there's a big study
Speaker 15: art of the United States over one hundred thousand patients.
Speaker 6: Or you know, people who've gone through this.
Speaker 15: Transition, and of those that had surgery, it shows quite
Speaker 15: clearly that the psychiatric outcomes for these people is much
Speaker 15: worse after surgery. Now, the people who say let's be
Speaker 15: evidence based, they say, maybe we should now think about
Speaker 15: whether we need to do the surgery for the trans lobby.
Speaker 15: They actually say this shows we need more psychiatric care
Speaker 15: for trans people post surgery.
Speaker 6: And that's it in a nutshell really.
Speaker 2: As opposed to surgery. I mean what staggers me is
Speaker 2: if I was a fourteen year old girl and I
Speaker 2: fronted at a hospital with anorexia and told you I
Speaker 2: was fat, you would put me in a program, possibly
Speaker 2: admit me, and try and make me well. You'd work
Speaker 2: my body and my nutrition obviously, but she'd work on
Speaker 2: my head. You'd get my head straight. But if we
Speaker 2: get a fourteen year old girl that comes in and
Speaker 2: suddenly thinks she's a boy, even if you want to
Speaker 2: start in the place of mental health care before you
Speaker 2: do anything else. Unfortunately, the way the systems set up
Speaker 2: with a lot of these lobby groups, you force down
Speaker 2: the path of a medically based, body based intervention, and
Speaker 2: I think that's just wrong.
Speaker 15: Yes, well, around the emergency department at Princess Margaret for
Speaker 15: twenty two years till twenty twelve, and I contended on
Speaker 15: after that in other ways other rold I figured there
Speaker 15: would have been over a million children came through during
Speaker 15: that time.
Speaker 6: Not once did we see this issue.
Speaker 15: Now we saw a lot of confused young adolescent pre
Speaker 15: adolescent people, usually girls, sometimes boys, who were very confused
Speaker 15: about the onset of puberty, and often they presented with
Speaker 15: all sorts of bizarre symptoms, but never thinking they're in
Speaker 15: the wrong body as such. And as many people have said,
Speaker 15: this seems to have come in side since twenty twelve
Speaker 15: with the onset of social media and so on. Would
Speaker 15: seem to be you know, there's a place there. So
Speaker 15: you're quite right, Peter in that this issue is being
Speaker 15: it's just not the medical model. It's been treated quite
Speaker 15: differently to you know, any other medical problem.
Speaker 2: Everything else all over there. Wy'b be the last time
Speaker 2: we talked, professor, But thank you for your time and
Speaker 2: thank you for your bravery. What quick break after the break,
Speaker 2: James Ashby, you still have the mop in his hand.
Speaker 2: We'll talk to him in a moment. Clee, quickly bring
Speaker 2: in my panel joining me in our news Renny four
Speaker 2: contributor Nicole Flint and the man with a mopout yesterday
Speaker 2: One Nation Party director James Ashby, this is why you
Speaker 2: pay the big bucks to now run the party? Mate,
Speaker 2: is the mop away? Have you tied in this up
Speaker 2: or we straight on the numbers now.
Speaker 10: Someone was a bit cheeky today and got me a
Speaker 10: fire extinguishers, so thank you for that lovely gift. But look,
Speaker 10: there are moments where people have mistakes, particularly in politics.
Speaker 7: And yeah, look the numbers are clear.
Speaker 10: One nation has always said we intend to bring those
Speaker 10: net overseas migration numbers down to one hundred and thirty thousand.
Speaker 10: That doesn't mean taking away schemes like the palm scheme
Speaker 10: or backpackers.
Speaker 7: We know how vital they are, but.
Speaker 10: They don't come into the non figures. And I think
Speaker 10: that's where, unfortunately, David found himself in the weeds.
Speaker 2: It is a highly.
Speaker 10: Technical error immigration, and David is articulate, very well informed
Speaker 10: when it comes to agriculture and water. And I think
Speaker 10: you learned a valuable lesson.
Speaker 2: Yesterday, Nicole. I did listen to a lot of people
Speaker 2: today saying, oh, the regions are different. You know they
Speaker 2: absolutely want all this migration, well they do when they don't.
Speaker 2: They do want it for labor on farms, as you
Speaker 2: well know, but they're also sick to death of being
Speaker 2: sent immigrant doctors and not having continuity of care. Always
Speaker 2: struggling for people country kids in particular to be able
Speaker 2: to afford to go back and live in the regions.
Speaker 2: I would have loved to have stayed and had a
Speaker 2: job in studying the regions, but was never able to.
Speaker 2: This is also marrying those issues up, so regional kids
Speaker 2: had come back and live in the towns they grew
Speaker 2: up as well.
Speaker 13: Absolutely, Peter, and look, it's a really difficult issue migration.
Speaker 13: We've got a record housing crisis on our hands, which
Speaker 13: in large part is because Labor have let millions of
Speaker 13: people into Australia during their tenure. And yeah, it's putting
Speaker 13: pressure on rule and regional Australia in major ways. So
Speaker 13: what we need to see from all of the parties
Speaker 13: is very clear policy and very clear numbers. And I
Speaker 13: think this is always going to be the challenge for
Speaker 13: one nation, having clear policies across all of the key issues,
Speaker 13: but also managing what are some very big personalities within
Speaker 13: the party. And as we've seen over the past couple
Speaker 13: of days, that's going to be an ongoing challenge for them.
Speaker 2: Hey, your boss is going to go to the High Court,
Speaker 2: She's going to take on that decision and seek it
Speaker 2: to be overruled. This is that she had racially vilified
Speaker 2: the grand tender Marine Farouki. Not cheap to do this,
Speaker 2: pretty brave to go to the High Court, James tell us.
Speaker 10: More, well, let's fix up that should have been done
Speaker 10: with the coalition when they made the promise, and Nicole,
Speaker 10: you had that opportunity, but unfortunately the Liberal Party chickened
Speaker 10: out at the time, and now we're seeing not just
Speaker 10: politicians but ordinary strae aliens face the wrath of this legislation.
Speaker 10: It is important that it goes because you can simply
Speaker 10: insult somebody who is from a minority group and you
Speaker 10: end up losing the House effectively, because the cost of
Speaker 10: this and the precedent this is set now in the
Speaker 10: Federal Court must be challenged in the High Court because
Speaker 10: we can't have politicians, let alone the public, silenced over
Speaker 10: something that an individual can take offense to and it
Speaker 10: just takes one.
Speaker 2: Nicole, I've got to ask you about those reported comments
Speaker 2: in the Herald Sign from the footballers at the center
Speaker 2: of the Sydney AFL storm who in allegedly groping women
Speaker 2: lap dancers or having their lap dance. They refer to
Speaker 2: themselves as doing an elbow. What do you make of that?
Speaker 13: Well, clearly the Prime Minister is not letting by example,
Speaker 13: and so even our footy players are using him to
Speaker 13: excuse appallingly.
Speaker 2: Bad behavior or make light of it. Peter, this is just.
Speaker 13: Believable from the AFL.
Speaker 2: They are one of.
Speaker 13: The codes that loves to lecture all of us out
Speaker 13: here who just want to turn up and watch ossie rules.
Speaker 13: My dad played something like four hundred and thirty games,
Speaker 13: mainly a grape for our local footy team. I was
Speaker 13: born on a Saturday and footy sason right. I've watched
Speaker 13: more AFL than most people. I am disgusted by the
Speaker 13: AFL's complete lack of control over their players. We're seeing,
Speaker 13: you know, whether it's appalling treatment of women, whether it's drugs.
Speaker 13: They do not have control of their league. It's not
Speaker 13: good enough, and they are so sanctimonious, and they've spent
Speaker 13: years lecturing the rest of us who just want to
Speaker 13: watch pooty over whether it's you know, day rights or
Speaker 13: indigenous rights or whatever it.
Speaker 2: Might be, whatever round it might be.
Speaker 13: Enough is enough, clean up your clean up your code, AFL,
Speaker 13: because you are letting all of the fans down.
Speaker 2: I will leave it there. I'll watch you with interest
Speaker 2: to next Saturday night. At this Saturday night, I might
Speaker 2: say the secret Harbor by election in the West. James,
Speaker 2: good luck with all of that. I'll speak to you
Speaker 2: both next week. That's it for me. Andrew's away, as
Speaker 2: you know, for a little while. But you've got James bidperson.
Speaker 2: He's up next.