WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 29 May 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:04.440 On scoring in Zastrodya. 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:07.160 This is the reader Panahe Show. 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:11.039 Good evening and welcome to the reader Panahee Show. I'm 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:12.600 Caroline Derusso. 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:13.800 Coming up on the show tonight. 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:16.800 And the new Coalition ministry has finally been announced and 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.000 yes it has raised some eyebrows. 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.320 We'll discuss that and much more with Angela. 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:26.720 Mollard, including Independent Senator Fadam of Payman's bombshell allegations against 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:28.440 colleague now Adam B. 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:28.960 Coleman. 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:31.440 He joins us to discuss the latest from the US, 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:35.640 including a shocking undercover video from a Democrat insider and 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:39.720 of course Left He's losing It, featuring Democrat Jasmine Crockett's 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:41.680 dire warning about Trump. 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.200 It is time for Republicans to starry calling him out 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.960 and started questioning his mental acuity and whether or not 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:50.360 he is equipped to serve mentally. 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.920 But joining me now is newscot colonist Angela Mollard. 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:57.440 Angela, after kicking the decision on the Northwest Shelf down 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:01.200 the road until after the election, Labor has given it 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:02.080 the green light. 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:03.800 Thankfully. 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:06.039 And obviously I'm from Western Australia, so I feel like 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:06.840 I've got a bit of. 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:08.240 Skin in the game in this decision. 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.399 Do you think though, you know, was it a bit 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:13.959 dangerous then politicizing that decision in that way. 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:15.960 We've definitely seen them walk. 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.480 Back their opposition to gas in recent months, we have, 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.280 and I think there's a newfound pragmatism that they needed. 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:23.640 You know, they've won the election, but they have to 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:25.920 they have to make the country work now, and this 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.040 is central to making the country work. This, of course 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:30.800 took six and a half years of green tape. I 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:32.319 think it's a bit of a shame that it didn't 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.119 get through on pleverusx watch because of course she had, 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:37.399 you know, walls put up. 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:39.680 At every turn when she was Environment minister. Of course 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:41.240 has come through Murray what. 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:44.520 But it shows that the labor is prepared to look 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:46.440 at the fact that if we are going to have 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:49.800 productivity and we are going to energize this country, you know, 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.760 both for industry and for individuals, that we need to 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:56.120 look at diverse sources, not just fossil fuels. The only 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:57.840 interesting thing I think though, is that what are the 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.120 Greens going to think about in the future, Because of 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:01.760 course they are in the Senate, they can block the 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.520 sistance like this in the future. So it's a good 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:07.320 it's a you know, it's front footed and it's smart 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:08.320 for Labor. 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:08.639 At this stage. 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.480 But I'll be interested to see how it flows through 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:12.320 on other projects. 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:14.720 Do you think it could have potentially been different if 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:16.280 Labor didn't have the majority that. 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.320 They have, look hugely different. 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:20.400 You possibly wouldn't have got that or you would have 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.720 got blowback on it, of course, but you know, they 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.000 have such a strong remit now and it'd be really 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.080 interesting to see what they do. There's so many areas 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.280 now they can push through because they have that majority. 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:34.919 It's just really looking at what they choose and where 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.400 they will see the greatest benefit both budge for the 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:39.720 budget and for the populace. 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.320 Now, Victoria doesn't seem to have got the memo on 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.600 gas and the Santa CEO Kevin Gallagher, he's come out 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:48.920 and basically compared Victoria to North Korea. 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:50.079 So what's this all about? 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:50.919 Yeah, that's right. 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.480 So he's at a conference since Brisbane, an oil and 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:55.600 gas conference, and he has basically said that they are 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:57.920 so back with they're so communist in their approach to 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.160 things that they are not green lighting projects that help 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:02.200 industry in that. 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:03.960 State, and I think he's right. 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.320 There is a real danger that Victoria is going to 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.720 become forever more a loser state. I mean, you have 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:13.480 to balance your socialist policies with your capitalist ones. Any 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:17.079 government does, whatever government, you know, whatever party they represent, 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:18.720 and you have to drive growth. 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:20.440 You have to drive productivity. 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.720 We have a massive productivity issue in this country nationally, 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.560 and if a state is going to fall by the wayside. 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:28.119 I also think it's really important. 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:31.280 Just as it's important to have a strong opposition in 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:35.200 government at a federal level, you also need strong parity 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:38.560 within the state and territory governments so that they're looking 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:40.920 at each other, that they're competing with each other, whether 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.280 that's on education as a safe productivity, whether it's on 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.360 environmental policies. By keeping an eye angel on each other 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:50.840 and all staying strong, and there'll be areas where some 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:52.320 have better resources than others. 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:54.480 Competitive federalism doesn't exactly. 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:56.600 If you've got to have that system, and a lot 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.840 of us think it's a very you know, a bloated system, 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:01.840 then it's got to be sharp, it's got to be 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:05.360 rigorous and effective. And he's quite right and drawing attention 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.160 to it and what's problematic about this by him declaring 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:11.520 it is that other businesses that might consider setting up 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:12.840 in Victoria will not. 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:13.400 Do that now. 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:17.240 So the effect on others looking at that, you know, 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.920 we've already seen this massive move for a lot of 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.040 businesses to Queensland, New South Wales other parts of the country. 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.160 I mean, Victoria needs to watch itself. 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:26.680 It really does. 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:28.800 And I think this here is a real failure of 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.800 state policy because if you are not going to develop 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.680 your resources and have the benefit of your resources, you 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.520 can't just put your hand out for more GST because 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.320 you're failing to do the things that you should be 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:40.479 doing in the first place. 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:42.200 Onto the coalition and. 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.560 They announcing you ministry or shadow ministry yesterday, what was 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:46.640 most notable for you in. 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:47.000 All of that. 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:49.720 Look, I know there's been a lot of discussion around 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.240 the demotion of women and the part of women and 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.400 the party. I'm much more interested, actually less in the 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.640 numbers than the portfolios, and the two portfolios that stand 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:00.440 up to me. Where I think that Susan those made 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:03.320 a mistake is obviously just into an ampership of price. 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:07.560 She so owns that Indigenous conversation. She was brilliant after 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:12.120 the Voice. Most Australians really care about how money is 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:16.480 being spent on the Indigenous community and whether it's effective. Now, 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:20.480 she just to drove through that idea that we should 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.039 have an audit on where all that money is being spent. 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:24.200 It's a brilliant idea. 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:26.440 We can look at what's effective, we can look at 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:29.840 what's working. She was well placed. It was also been 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.720 really smart to have her alongside you. She's somebody that 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.159 the population likes. She's great on media and you know 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.760 a lot of the Liberal and National Party aren't great 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.440 at that. So that's one thing where she made a mistake. 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.160 I also think she made the same mistake with Sarah Henderson. 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:49.040 There is a massive opportunity for the Coalition to make 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.560 headways on education. It was completely undiscussed in the election. 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:57.200 Henderson really complained about the fact that it was under 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:57.599 the remit. 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:58.880 You know, no one was talking about it. 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:03.240 The New Zealand government, the Nationals in New Zealand won 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.760 the election on their education mandate. We are in a 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.040 crisis situation in education in this country. 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:11.080 Our maths is appalling and the. 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:14.440 Gratin In Institute has a plan for a ten year 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:18.120 maths guarantee. The impact on productivity if we do not 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.320 raise our standards is immense, And that is such an 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.359 easy win you could have as the coalition appointed her. 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:27.200 She's got a feet under the table, she knows the portfolio, 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.719 and you could have started to make headways in a 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:34.799 really good portfolio that most of the Electric parents, like myself, 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:38.040 people across the board care about. It's not a niche interest, 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:39.520 it's a mainstream one. 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:40.680 And to now have. 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.040 To have someone else in the portfolio learning about it 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:44.760 when you could have got off to a good start 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.400 is shortsighted as far. 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.800 As I'm concerned. Okay, now bring your enemies close too, 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:53.560 you know. But also people are really self oriented. 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.800 If you're given something, you're given power to do it, 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.039 you soon align with the person who's given you that power. 0:06:59.120 --> 0:06:59.960 Yeah, that is very interest. 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.919 That's a reasonable point to make onto independent Senator fatom 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:08.440 of Payment. And she's made some pretty bombshell allegations about 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:11.400 behavior from a colleague. 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:12.720 So what's the story here and here? 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.200 And do we expect this to gain traction as similar 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:17.320 stories have in the past. 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.320 I'd be really interested to see because this is historical. 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.600 I mean, it's only two hundred twenty twenty three. But 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:25.160 what I'm interested about it and I do want to 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.200 get this right. I do want to get her wording right, 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:28.960 so Shor. What she's doing is she's claiming that a 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.720 male colleague was drunk and pressed her at an event, 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.120 saying let's get some wine into you and see you 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:39.520 dance on the table. Now she's claiming sexual harassment and 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:40.560 racial harassment. 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:41.800 I'm not an expert. 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:43.560 I don't pretend to know whether that is sexual or 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:47.240 racial harassment. But to me, that's being a dickhead and 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.440 it's being ugly. So call the dickhead policy. And this 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.000 is what I want more women to do. She says 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.800 she's raising this now because there's more young women in 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:58.840 Parliament that are coming through. She wants them to be 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.040 protected in that environment. I'm not sure that that's her 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:04.680 motivation here. I think she's bringing attention back to herself. 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:08.920 And look, if somebody feels uncomfortably racially, sexually, they have 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.240 the remit and the right to talk about that. 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:12.720 But I also want. 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.000 Women to just stand up in the moment and turn 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.200 around and go, don't be a dick Honestly, you're just ugly. 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:22.200 Because most men or anybody any gender who says something 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.240 stupid when questioned on it in the moment will usually 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:26.800 come back you usually persolutely. 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:31.640 Look, I'm all for I'm all for a formal nodheads policy. 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:35.439 I think I think it is served various parts of 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.880 the political and corporate world very well. And always the 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.840 best time, if you feel like you're able to, is 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.199 to deal with it in the moment, because that there 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:48.360 is actually an empowering, empowering for you in that moment, 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:52.160 rather than feeling terrible about something afterwards and maybe wishing 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:52.959 you had have said. 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:54.720 I love what you're saying there, because you're talking about 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.680 agency and every time you grab your own agency. 0:08:57.800 --> 0:08:59.640 And you know, look, as a woman who's worked in 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:00.880 the work, but you. 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:02.439 Know a very long time, I was going to put 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.360 a year number on yeh, but you know, I'm not 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:06.160 pensionable yet. 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:06.760 But I do. 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.640 I really feel you're right on that, that you know, 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.880 that being having some self determination. And here she looks 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:16.680 she took it to the to the Parliamentary Workplace Support Service. 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.040 We will I don't know if we'll find out what 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.480 actually happened from that, but I you know, in all 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.760 these cases, you know there are a lot like defamation. 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.120 You need facts and clarity on them to fully understand 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:26.640 the situation. 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:30.160 Absolutely absolutely now onto the A and U and they 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:31.319 have walked back. 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:34.600 That they have walked back where they got to. 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:38.520 On the definition of anti Semitism. It's been panned by 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.320 Jewish groups as you would expect. So what has happened here? 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:42.240 Why the walmbag? 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:43.080 That's right. 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:46.000 So most of the universities in the country have either 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.319 signed up to the two definitions, and that's pretty similar 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:53.400 on anti semitism, A and YOU hasn't. And there's been 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:57.520 a lot of demonstrations and concerns around anti semitism and 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:59.959 some issues. Look, there's some question about the factor leadership 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.120 on holiday and I've been enjoying looking at. 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:05.800 Julie Bishop's instagram on holiday. She seems to be having 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:06.520 a jolly old time. 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:09.720 Of course, Look the fact that they haven't done it yet, 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.200 is it that they haven't pushed it through because they're 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.160 still considering it and they want. 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:14.520 Just sitting on it? 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.439 Are they just sitting it on to the end of 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:16.840 the year. 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:18.920 At the end of the day, I think whether or 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:22.240 not you have a definition or not, half the time 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.360 we can't actually say what's sorracism? 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.120 What is semitism? But we know when we see him, 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:27.680 let's see it. 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:31.280 And without having a definition doesn't mean they cannot prosecute 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.599 or when there are instances where that occurs. And I 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.800 think so, Yes, of course we need a framework, but 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:39.960 we shouldn't be too overly concerned that this hasn't been 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:41.760 pushed through yet. Better to do it properly and have 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:45.480 something fair enough to do it once, exactly, measure twice, 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:46.000 do it once. 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:47.240 Yeah, and the lady. 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.600 Needs a holiday, Then the lady needs a holiday now. 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.559 Very interesting piece about the changes to travel. 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:53.520 Rules in twenty twenty five. 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:55.840 I love to travel, but can you tell us what 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:57.240 are the tricks and the. 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:59.640 Traps for the intrepid Australians heading overseas. 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.200 I need to bundle off home because my daughter's taken 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.320 off in two weeks time and she's going to get 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:07.680 stung for these fines. Okay, basically, Caroline, the whole of 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.120 Europe seems to be looking at fining, probably us because 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.000 where the people that go there, all our gap years 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:14.839 and all our boomers who end up going over to 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:20.400 the northern Hemisphere during the summertime. These are astonishing Portugal, 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.319 for instance, they're going to have a three thousand dollar 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:25.160 fine for being naked in public. 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:26.000 Probably fair enough. 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.240 The bikini fine, okay, if you don't wear a bikini, 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.080 buy the pool or a beach, you're going to be fine. 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:38.600 What's that two hundred and two five hundred dollars? You 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.640 know in Manly where I live in New South Wales, 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.600 you wouldn't have anyone in the supermarket get back bikinis. 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:48.520 Lisbon's having a three five hundred dollar fine for being 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:50.640 noisy and a quiet place. 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.240 I was in Lisbon last year. The whole point of 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.640 Lisbon is that it's noisy where you go there. 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.480 Turkey, if you take your seatbelt off before the plane 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:00.200 says you can, you're going to be fine. 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:01.160 One hundred and four dollars. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.839 There's no pub crules, so like loads of places in 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:07.000 Europe say, you know you can't go on a pub rule, Well, 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:08.000 what defines a pub crule? 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.840 Is that two pubs? Or is that six pubs? 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:12.360 But you know what the great thing is, how many 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:12.880 is a crawl? 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.880 How is a what's a crawl? 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:16.240 For you? 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:17.520 Well? Three? 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.320 IM a non drinker, so oh there you got there. 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.280 I'm a little bit useless in this particulous circumstances. 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:25.200 But you would you would think it would have to 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.560 be at least three or four because you would always 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.720 go somewhere before dinner, have dinner after dinner. So that's 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:32.000 three that could technically I. 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:33.120 Think to be four or more. 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.400 Is that you know what the real opportunity here is 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.199 for our tourism industry. We need to come up with 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:41.040 a new campaign which is basically, come as you are, 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.920 where your bikini in the supermarket, you can have as 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:45.800 many go to as many pubs as you like. There's 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.040 one there's one that says, you know how you have 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:51.439 those all inclusive deals? Yes, well the all inclusive alcohol 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:53.240 deal is now that you can only have maximum of 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:53.959 six drinks. 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:55.280 So who's going to police that? 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.640 If you've got an all inclusive deal, who's counting your 0:12:57.720 --> 0:12:59.000 drinks as you're ordering them? 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.959 Look, Europe's getting tough, we know Barcelona. There's the laura that. 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.360 Means there's an opportunity here for us in Australia. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.520 Absolutely, we just sell it as that anything goes country 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:09.920 absolutely a bit messy, it might be a bit noisy, 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:11.560 there might be a few boobs hanging out. 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:13.360 But you know, We've been that country in the past 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:14.680 and I think we should celebrate it. 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:16.440 But remember Caroline. 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.600 When I lived in Britain back in the nineties, everyone 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:21.360 had their boobs out on a beach, So I don't 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:22.240 know what this about to. 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:23.160 Had become prudes. 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.440 As always, Thank you so much, Angela Molla, Thanks Carolyn. 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:31.800 Joining me now is child and adolescent psychologist Clairo Claire. 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.719 Thank you for coming to the show. Big Few or 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.959 about Newington College going co ed. There were some legal 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:43.360 proceedings they have failed. What's the reasoning behind this particular decision. 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:49.600 Yeah, thanks Carolyn. Yeah, the decision from Newington, big private 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.680 private boys' school soon to be co ed now in Sydney, 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:56.320 and of course there was a big legal battle to 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.400 try and stop that, mostly from the old boys of 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:03.480 the school. That's fallen over basically with a judge ruling 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:07.000 that you know, the constitution allows this of the school, 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.600 that they have every right to go ahead with that plan, 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.200 which I think is coming in with girls now in 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:17.080 twenty thirty three. So it's a very disappointed people, I 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:21.720 suppose with that decision that school Newington in Sydney, very 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:25.760 prestigious private school, is one of a few now private 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:27.200 boys schools. 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:28.440 That are turning co ed. 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.920 I would note it's never actually the girls' schools that 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.280 welcome in the boys. It always seems to be the 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:35.560 other way around. But there we go, and. 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:37.840 Look that there was obviously legal proceedings and that was 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.400 to do with the interpretation of that particular constitution. But 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.160 onto the issue of single sex versus co ed education. 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:49.280 What's your view on single sex schooling or co ed 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:54.480 schooling and the impacts and potential impacts on child learning. Yeah, 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:59.280 this topic comes around and it seems quite polarized, but 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.640 I mean my take is there. 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.240 Needs to be choice. It's not an either or approach. 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:08.720 The outcomes on learning. Actually, there's no really conclusive research. 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.000 There is some research to the shows, of course, that 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.040 children come out with maybe some confidence and empathy and 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.560 maybe some better communication skills with the opposite sex in 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:21.400 coed education. Of course, the argument for coed education is 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.960 that it mirrors the real world, so communities and workplaces 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:29.520 and families aren't gender segregated. But then I would argue, 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.920 there's a lot of kids who do really well in 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.680 a single sex school, so this has to be about 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.640 a parent's choice. There's a lot of your research that 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:41.120 shows that some girls are less inhibited, they're less worried 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:44.240 about their image. As you can imagine, without boys around, 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.880 they're more likely to take up stem subjects. And I think, 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.760 you know, sometimes culture and tradition is just more important 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:54.640 to people, and that's okay. So I just think progression 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.880 should be about choice for parents looking at their individual child. 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.440 A child's like cologists. But I've got two kids, and 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.120 I actually think i've got one of each. One will 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:06.080 do really well in a single sex school. One probably 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.280 co eds. So I just don't think that we can 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:13.080 have progression if we're going to eliminate or minimize choice 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:14.000 for parents. 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.280 No fair enough, I went to a single sex school. 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.080 I was a massive nerd, so I think it suited 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:21.400 me really well. 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:21.920 Actually. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.920 Now onto the perennial issue, unfortunately, of closing the gap, 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.560 and again a big part of that is health and 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:33.960 education outcomes for Indigenous kids. Have we made any progress 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.520 recently and is there anything new that's proposed in that 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.120 space which is likely to help those particular issues. 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:42.440 Well, we're not making. 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:45.640 Much progress as far as I can see. The latest 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:50.840 report shows that four out of seventeen objective outcomes for 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.560 the Closing the Gap policy are on track only four 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:56.400 out of the seventeen, so no, we're not doing much. 0:16:56.480 --> 0:17:00.320 And the latest proposal is that, oh, you know, need 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:04.960 to include decision making with communities and indigenous voices, and 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.160 of course we should. That makes sense and I think 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:10.280 that most Australians recognize that we don't need a third 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.399 chamber of Parliament to do that. We don't need to 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:14.800 mess around with changing the constitution. 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:17.200 We just need to get on and do it. 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.119 As you said, you know, a lot of this comes 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.320 down to health and education, but across the board, I 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:27.680 think one hundred percent of Australians are ashamed and appalled 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:31.840 at the developmental outcomes of Indigenous kids, who by four 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:37.160 and five years old are absolutely you know, delayed developmentally 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.320 compared to non Indigenous kids. So I think, like in 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.720 most areas, it's just about more action, isn't it, and 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:47.840