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Speaker 1: Approache Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the

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Speaker 2: Muscle Cummings, and in this episode I speak with Brad Bradley,

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Speaker 2: who opens up about the disappearance of his sister Amy Bradley.

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Speaker 3: We do know that the door that I had closed

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Speaker 3: when I came into bed was open when my dad

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Speaker 3: woke up the second time. And I can't explain for

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Speaker 3: people the gut feeling that myself and my parents have

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Speaker 3: always shared, which still persists that she's still out there.

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Speaker 1: So he walks out.

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Speaker 3: Really close to us and leans in and he said,

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Speaker 3: I want you to know something.

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Speaker 1: He said, your daughter did not fall from that ship.

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Speaker 1: Your daughter did not jump from that ship. She is

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Speaker 1: on this island.

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Speaker 3: So he tells us to search three places and I

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Speaker 3: hope you can find her.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back before we jump in. If you missed part one,

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Speaker 2: go check it out now. As the second part continues

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Speaker 2: right from where we left off. These second parts of

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Speaker 2: our conversation, we dive deeper into the aftermath of Amy's

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Speaker 2: disappearance and the search for ances.

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Speaker 3: I guarantee you we've we've done more work than they have,

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Speaker 3: and if along the way they could have shared and

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Speaker 3: or collaborated with us, and all the things that we'd found,

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Speaker 3: combined with all the things that they know, you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe something would be different, but that's not how they

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Speaker 3: work apparently. So you know, it's been a very this

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Speaker 3: is going to be the understatement of the year, but

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Speaker 3: a very frustrating experience to deal with them over the years.

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Speaker 4: All right, we'll go through a few of the key people.

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Speaker 4: We've gone through the base player. Where up the guy

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Speaker 4: next door to you? Yeah, what was he? Strange guy?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, who's a self described loaner, been on a bunch

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Speaker 3: of cruises before, apparently always goes by himself. Admitted that

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Speaker 3: he goes to the club to kind of all go

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Speaker 3: girls and women. I mean, you know, so he's definitely

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Speaker 3: a strange character. He was an employee of the same

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Speaker 3: company my dad worked for, who also qualified for that tree.

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Speaker 3: On the left side of us, looking out on the balcony,

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Speaker 3: we have dear friends we'd known for years that were

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Speaker 3: flew back with us from Saint Thomas when we flew

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Speaker 3: back to Chesterfield. So they're amazing people, very loving people.

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Speaker 3: On our right side was this Wayne brid Tag We

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Speaker 3: had had a couple of short conversations with him if

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Speaker 3: of talking to each other, nothing but small talk, you know.

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Speaker 3: We later found that he was arrested for smuggling leopard

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Speaker 3: skins or you know, from endangered animals from a hunting

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Speaker 3: trip that he had gone to. And I don't know

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Speaker 3: whether it was Africa or some other place. So he's

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Speaker 3: got a little bit of nefarious activity in his past.

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Speaker 3: We actually looked into him again, found some information about him.

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Speaker 3: We relaid that to the FBI. And this was, you know,

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Speaker 3: very early on when we had trust and faith that

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, he he says something about

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Speaker 4: He said. He does some small talk with Amy. He's

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Speaker 4: leading over. You didn't have to climb on to look over.

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Speaker 4: You could bually just look over into someone's next door balcony.

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Speaker 4: But did you know what the small talk was.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember.

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Speaker 3: I mean it was it was literally, you know, hey man,

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Speaker 3: I am Brad, aam Wayne, and I worked for illinoying

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Speaker 3: mutual with your dad. I mean nothing specific to my recollection.

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Speaker 3: Over the past couple of weeks, I came to discover

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Speaker 3: and something that we never knew or considered, that perhaps

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Speaker 3: the partitions between balconies could be moved. There were people

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Speaker 3: I've since heard and seen video and pictures of those

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Speaker 3: So I don't know for a fact whether they could

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Speaker 1: We do know that the shirt.

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Speaker 3: That she was wearing when I went in to go

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't other than obviously the eyewitnesses. And

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Speaker 3: one of the unfortunate things about something the FBI dropped

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Speaker 3: the ball on, in my opinion, is in the documentary

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Speaker 3: you'll see agent Sheridan say, quote, unfortunately we were never

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Speaker 3: able to corroborate the two girls timeframe. Well, that's because

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Speaker 3: they never questioned Crystal's mother, who opened the cabin door

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Speaker 3: never talked to her. So the most key and crucial

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Speaker 3: first eyewitnesses that would prove that Amy was with Yellow

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Speaker 3: right before her disappearance. In the girl's opinion, they were

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Speaker 3: then we've spoken with the mother as recently as you know,

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Speaker 3: a week and a half ago, and have assigned after

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Speaker 3: David from her stating that in fact, she opened the

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Speaker 3: and no one's ever spoken to her about it.

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Speaker 4: Wow, before we carry on, is that no of a

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Speaker 4: way that you can legally instead of using who you've got,

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Speaker 4: like the FBI, idol like that to do this case,

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Speaker 4: because it seems like they've just left so many gaps uncovered.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: We've never had any dealings with the DEA or the CIA.

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Speaker 3: One's ever contacted us from those agencies. I mean, we've

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Speaker 3: taken it upon ourselves and used my parents' entire retirement

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Speaker 3: and savings over the years to fund private investigators and

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Speaker 3: another agency. Of course, if you go try to hire

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Speaker 3: fifty eighty thousand dollars for their services.

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Speaker 1: And we don't have it now.

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Speaker 3: That's why the GoFundMe was set up by a dear

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Speaker 3: family friend of ours to help cover the costs that

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Speaker 3: are associated with everything that's going on and everything that

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Speaker 3: we're trying to do because it isn't free. And then

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Speaker 3: obviously you have the trolls online attacking us for trying

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Speaker 3: to make money off Amy's story, which is which is frustrating,

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Speaker 4: So once she went missing from the room, was anything

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Speaker 3: Now, when she was first out, you know, she was

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Speaker 3: Maybe she saw that as we were coming in and

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Speaker 3: So we developed the film that was in her camera,

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Speaker 3: silly caricatures. We poured over those pictures. There's not all

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Speaker 3: that many. Nothing pertinent was found. So we do have

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Speaker 3: a camera. Again, the shirt that she had on was

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Speaker 3: Our cigarettes were missing. There was one lighter, but she

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Speaker 3: and I've been happy to satisfy people's curiosities. Amy was

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Speaker 3: in those birkenstock sandals at the pool party. I can't

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Speaker 3: but I'm assuming she was still in them. Then when

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Speaker 3: are still in that bag. We don't know how many, though,

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Speaker 1: We just don't know.

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Speaker 3: So I think people's curiosity in regard to that one

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Speaker 4: She didn't.

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Speaker 3: Again, you're not going to take someone that's scared of

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Speaker 4: That's not the way.

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Speaker 3: She had just graduated from college, she had just gotten

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Speaker 3: She'd wanted an English bulldog her whole life. She was

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Speaker 3: writing postcards to friends about what she was going to

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Speaker 3: Absolutely zero chance that happened. So the shoe question, to

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Speaker 4: We don't know.

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Speaker 3: She could have changed into a different pair of shoes,

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Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that question.

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Speaker 4: Was she stressed though about her love life or you

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Speaker 1: Well, so the whole love life thing, you know, like

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Speaker 1: I've said on X page after the documentary came out,

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Speaker 1: and again I'll preface I do this every time because

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Speaker 1: we love the Ari Mark and Phil Lot, the producers

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Speaker 3: An amazing job bringing Amy's name and her story, revitalizing

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Speaker 3: Were forever grateful to them for what they did. We

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Speaker 3: know they painted a picture of her being a lesbian

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Speaker 3: He has nothing but wonderful things to say about us

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Speaker 3: and about Amy, and he loved her. I don't know

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Speaker 3: she apparently wrote a letter that I've seen that shortly

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Speaker 3: before the cruise explaining that you know, she's had a

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Speaker 3: She's really loved the time he's spent with our family.

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Speaker 3: She really appreciates everything. But she kind of wants to

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Speaker 4: Not it wasn't that specific.

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Speaker 4: At this point. Now you're still on the cruise, you'll

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Speaker 4: What is going on? Because one, for instance, you're on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were, you know, going back on the boat

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Speaker 1: So we were there.

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Speaker 3: If she'd have gone over, you know, some time between

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're not in the ocean. We're not a

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Speaker 3: So I think that's one important thing that people need

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Speaker 4: I go on that documentary, it actually said the way

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Speaker 4: Like hours agoing past. Now you're on the boat. It's

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Speaker 4: see that day. I don't think they had any expectation

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Speaker 4: because again, their their attorneys were stand in front and center.

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Speaker 4: At some point, the Norwegian consulate got involved. At some point,

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Speaker 3: That's when they sent these two field agents from Saint

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Speaker 3: came on to question her immediate family as suspects Initially. Again,

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Speaker 3: this whole time frame was a weird kind of blur

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Speaker 1: You know, we're still trying to talk to people and

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Speaker 4: Were you getting sorry, were you getting stopped by any

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Speaker 1: So now for that being the case.

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Speaker 3: But another interesting tidbit is that morning when Crystal and

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Speaker 1: Why didn't this happen?

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Speaker 3: And at that time they then you know, started putting

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Speaker 3: and says, look, guys, I don't think it's a good idea.

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Speaker 3: the FBI interviews and all that were done, back to

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Speaker 3: Was, right, So, yeah, my mom and Amy go up

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Speaker 3: And my mom remembers the person saying, oh, yeah, they're

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Speaker 3: Don't know if the FBI questioned the photographers, don't know

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Speaker 1: Don't have or if the FBI has it, we've never

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Speaker 4: So at this point in time, the number one suspect

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Speaker 4: as yous go by. In nineteen ninety nine, the FIST

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Speaker 4: That's the one who walked out. He's thought Amy was

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Speaker 3: Hefner was the Navy person that says that he saw

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Speaker 3: He never told us about it because he didn't want

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Speaker 3: And I've shared on other interviews the only part of

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Speaker 4: She comes off the boat saying she wants drugs.

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Speaker 3: There's absolutely no history of her in her life using drugs.

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Speaker 3: able to talk about it. Our investigators asked me not

436
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,321
Speaker 3: to share what I saw quite yet because I don't,

437
00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:56,961
Speaker 3: you know, he doesn't want to compromise with some things

438
00:22:56,961 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 3: that he's working on. But there's a very strong theory

439
00:23:01,441 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 3: about how she was taken off the ship, which I

440
00:23:04,281 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 3: currently can't just when and if I get permission to

441
00:23:07,721 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 3: do that. I'd love to tell you about it, because

442
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,161
Speaker 3: I think it would I mean, people around the world

443
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 3: would be like, oh shit, I didn't know that. But

444
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 3: I do think Yellow was involved. I don't think he

445
00:23:18,761 --> 00:23:23,921
Speaker 3: was the head of the snake necessarily, but he damn

446
00:23:23,961 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 3: sure knew where the hole was, you know. And I

447
00:23:26,801 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 3: think there were other people. I think there are a

448
00:23:29,201 --> 00:23:32,641
Speaker 3: number of people on not only that ship, but probably

449
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 3: the vast majority of these ships at least that go

450
00:23:34,961 --> 00:23:37,801
Speaker 3: through these islands that move drugs for these cartels through

451
00:23:37,801 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 3: these places. And the same way that I think that

452
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 3: they get those drugs on the boat is the same

453
00:23:44,001 --> 00:23:45,841
Speaker 3: route that I think they got Amy off the.

454
00:23:45,761 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 4: Boat in two thousand and five, the same thing. You know,

455
00:23:49,801 --> 00:23:52,281
Speaker 4: it's been like it's now six years after she's left

456
00:23:52,321 --> 00:23:56,761
Speaker 4: and disappeared. Are you still being positive with everything like

457
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,721
Speaker 4: you are now? Like I know you have to stay positive,

458
00:23:59,761 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 4: But is there is there ever being a doubt in

459
00:24:02,201 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 4: your mind that you're not going to see your sister again? Sure?

460
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: Sure, you know that thought obviously exists.

461
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,761
Speaker 3: And being a you know, a fairly intelligent person, obviously

462
00:24:14,801 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 3: I get it. You know, it's been a long time

463
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 3: and the chances that we find her, although they're not zero,

464
00:24:22,321 --> 00:24:25,401
Speaker 3: are pretty damn low, I think. And I can't explain

465
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,801
Speaker 3: for people the gut feeling that myself and my parents

466
00:24:29,921 --> 00:24:34,001
Speaker 3: have always shared, which still persists that she's still out there.

467
00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:35,881
Speaker 3: I don't know how to explain that, and I don't

468
00:24:35,921 --> 00:24:39,041
Speaker 3: know how to make that make sense to people. I

469
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 3: don't know what you know you hear about a mother's

470
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 3: intuition or if you know, I don't know what that is,

471
00:24:44,281 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 3: but we all share it, and we've never had a

472
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,521
Speaker 3: feeling that she's gone from this earth. So yeah, I mean,

473
00:24:52,561 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 3: I think about I was talking to my wife just

474
00:24:55,001 --> 00:24:58,801
Speaker 3: the other night about, Yeah, we think she's alive, but

475
00:24:59,481 --> 00:25:03,201
Speaker 3: I also understand that she may not be. We think

476
00:25:03,241 --> 00:25:07,481
Speaker 3: that those pictures of Jazz, but we also understand they

477
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,961
Speaker 3: might not be. We believe and find these eyewitnesses credible,

478
00:25:12,681 --> 00:25:16,561
Speaker 3: you know, but who knows. So yeah, A short answer

479
00:25:16,561 --> 00:25:18,761
Speaker 3: to your question is sure, I've thought that.

480
00:25:19,281 --> 00:25:20,881
Speaker 4: Did you think it? Do you think it's been hard

481
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,161
Speaker 4: for you to carry on with your life? Well? Sure,

482
00:25:23,321 --> 00:25:26,321
Speaker 4: like you know, because it's hard for me to, you know,

483
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:29,161
Speaker 4: because I haven't lost anyone like that. You know, people

484
00:25:29,201 --> 00:25:32,481
Speaker 4: passed away, but not gone missing, especially for not this time,

485
00:25:32,921 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 4: like a long time like this, And I'm trying to

486
00:25:36,441 --> 00:25:39,761
Speaker 4: imagine trying to move on, but you're not trying to

487
00:25:39,761 --> 00:25:42,961
Speaker 4: move on. You're trying to still be focused and positive.

488
00:25:43,281 --> 00:25:45,401
Speaker 4: But you've also got to have a life. And as

489
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 4: you said, you know, you've got your partner and you're

490
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 4: trying to be a good partner to her, but you

491
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 4: also got the stress of you're trying to find your

492
00:25:53,801 --> 00:25:54,321
Speaker 4: sister too.

493
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,001
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so short answer, Yeah, it's been it's

494
00:25:59,041 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 3: been hard.

495
00:26:00,201 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 4: You know.

496
00:26:00,521 --> 00:26:04,321
Speaker 3: You hear time heals all wounds. I've not really found

497
00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:07,001
Speaker 3: that to be true. And of course time helps a

498
00:26:07,041 --> 00:26:11,121
Speaker 3: little bit, not so much with my mom specifically. I mean,

499
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,561
Speaker 3: she continues to be very emotional on any given day

500
00:26:14,961 --> 00:26:18,721
Speaker 3: twenty seven years later about it. I'm watching my parents

501
00:26:19,001 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 3: go through that, not only initially, but over the course

502
00:26:22,681 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 3: of all the time that's passed since then. Has been

503
00:26:25,441 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 3: a tough thing to watch. But you know, early on

504
00:26:29,241 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 3: after Amy disappeared, I I developed a who gives a

505
00:26:34,241 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 3: shit attitude about what's important. And you know, in the

506
00:26:38,481 --> 00:26:41,681
Speaker 3: grand scheme of things, if I don't pass a test

507
00:26:41,761 --> 00:26:44,081
Speaker 3: or I don't pay my parking ticket, like who cares

508
00:26:44,681 --> 00:26:49,001
Speaker 3: and that that unfortunately stuck with me for a couple

509
00:26:49,041 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 3: of years, I think, and it actually, you know, negatively

510
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,561
Speaker 3: affected my life in a number of ways.

511
00:26:55,521 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 4: I subscribed to what I.

512
00:26:58,321 --> 00:27:02,281
Speaker 3: Had heard repeated from a lot of people for a

513
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 3: long time that the not knowing is the hard this

514
00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:07,801
Speaker 3: thing and you know, no closure and all that kind

515
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 3: of stuff. But I soon realized that the not knowing

516
00:27:12,521 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: or the lack of closure is the only thing that

517
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 3: has allowed.

518
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: Us to continue to live with hope.

519
00:27:18,961 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 3: And hope is a you know again, people don't I

520
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,481
Speaker 3: can't relate and don't understand it, but it's a very

521
00:27:24,521 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 3: strong feeling. And I decided, after I started to experience

522
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,241
Speaker 3: some negative consequences of my thought process for a period

523
00:27:34,281 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 3: of time, that I was gonna make every decision based

524
00:27:37,761 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 3: on what would make Amy most proud of me. And

525
00:27:41,521 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 3: I was gonna airry on and because I know she

526
00:27:44,241 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 3: wouldn't want me to shrivel up and fold myself into

527
00:27:47,481 --> 00:27:51,201
Speaker 3: a ball and and give up and not enjoy my life.

528
00:27:51,241 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: I know she wouldn't want that for me, whether she's

529
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:57,161
Speaker 3: here or whether she's not. So I've had it, even

530
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,761
Speaker 3: though you know, we've we've lived with this and especially

531
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,521
Speaker 3: since you know the show came out, has been extremely stressful.

532
00:28:03,561 --> 00:28:06,281
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on. I kind of lost my appetite.

533
00:28:06,321 --> 00:28:08,801
Speaker 3: I had some a little bit of an issue with anxiety,

534
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 3: trouble falling asleep, your mind won't stop, and all that

535
00:28:12,521 --> 00:28:13,041
Speaker 3: kind of stuff.

536
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 4: And have you ever have you ever got to the

537
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 4: point where you've you've thought, I can't take this, noble?

538
00:28:18,521 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 4: You have not got that, like I like put it

539
00:28:21,241 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 4: this way.

540
00:28:21,561 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 5: I I I've had points like that, but this is

541
00:28:24,681 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 5: fifty times heavier, you know, to lose somebody so close

542
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,521
Speaker 5: to you and to keep hoping that there's hope that

543
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:31,601
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.

544
00:28:31,721 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 4: So you know, I could see the strain. I can

545
00:28:34,481 --> 00:28:36,761
Speaker 4: even see the strain on your face at that moment.

546
00:28:37,281 --> 00:28:40,201
Speaker 4: So that's why I'm a skin. Have you ever thought,

547
00:28:40,801 --> 00:28:45,081
Speaker 4: deep down in your in your mind, I can't take this, noble?

548
00:28:45,681 --> 00:28:46,201
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

549
00:28:46,361 --> 00:28:52,721
Speaker 3: I never My best friend and on the planet killed

550
00:28:52,801 --> 00:28:58,081
Speaker 3: himself a couple of years ago. And I fortunately don't

551
00:28:58,281 --> 00:29:01,361
Speaker 3: have mental health issues other than you know, like I

552
00:29:01,481 --> 00:29:05,161
Speaker 3: just explained, with sit situational anxiety every now and then,

553
00:29:05,561 --> 00:29:11,001
Speaker 3: I don't understand the thought processes that must go on

554
00:29:11,241 --> 00:29:15,441
Speaker 3: to get somebody to that point. Never been never thought

555
00:29:15,441 --> 00:29:19,521
Speaker 3: about that for half a second, my parents if there

556
00:29:19,521 --> 00:29:21,601
Speaker 3: was something that would And this isn't like a reason

557
00:29:21,641 --> 00:29:22,401
Speaker 3: I don't kill myself.

558
00:29:22,441 --> 00:29:24,641
Speaker 1: I mean I just no, I've never thought about that.

559
00:29:24,841 --> 00:29:28,241
Speaker 3: I would never consider it, never will if something happened

560
00:29:28,241 --> 00:29:30,441
Speaker 3: to me my parents are gone, my parents would check out.

561
00:29:30,521 --> 00:29:34,681
Speaker 3: I mean they would run into a bridge embankment. So

562
00:29:35,481 --> 00:29:38,881
Speaker 3: I lived my life not only for me but for them.

563
00:29:38,961 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: They're extremely proud of me, I always have been. I

564
00:29:42,521 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: built a house right behind them, you know, so I'm

565
00:29:45,481 --> 00:29:49,241
Speaker 3: a couple hundred yards away, and obviously that's very meaningful

566
00:29:49,561 --> 00:29:53,081
Speaker 3: to them because they know where I am at all times,

567
00:29:53,081 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 3: and I can be over there in sixty seconds if

568
00:29:55,801 --> 00:29:59,321
Speaker 3: I need to be. So No, A short answer, absolutely,

569
00:29:59,961 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: there's never been a thought in my mind a about

570
00:30:03,041 --> 00:30:06,561
Speaker 3: killing myself. You know. Of course, my buddy did that,

571
00:30:06,641 --> 00:30:08,921
Speaker 3: and it was a It's a horrible thing, not only

572
00:30:08,961 --> 00:30:11,521
Speaker 3: for him but for all the people that loved him

573
00:30:11,521 --> 00:30:14,761
Speaker 3: that are left behind to grieve and live live on

574
00:30:14,881 --> 00:30:18,801
Speaker 3: without him. That'll never happen to me. And there's also

575
00:30:19,361 --> 00:30:22,641
Speaker 3: no chance that I give up. I can't do that

576
00:30:22,801 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: to Amy. She wouldn't give up on me. You know,

577
00:30:26,121 --> 00:30:28,921
Speaker 3: I don't care as if it's unrealistic to people and

578
00:30:29,161 --> 00:30:31,281
Speaker 3: oh man, he's been going twenty seven years, what are

579
00:30:31,321 --> 00:30:34,561
Speaker 3: you doing? Like I don't have you know, like I said,

580
00:30:34,561 --> 00:30:38,281
Speaker 3: we don't have any closure. We don't have any evidence

581
00:30:38,921 --> 00:30:41,321
Speaker 3: that she's not here. So until we're presented with some

582
00:30:42,201 --> 00:30:44,841
Speaker 3: we're not given, we're not going to stop. And if

583
00:30:44,841 --> 00:30:50,041
Speaker 3: in fact she's gone and no longer alive, we're also

584
00:30:50,121 --> 00:30:53,761
Speaker 3: not going to stop searching for answers to find whoever's responsible,

585
00:30:54,401 --> 00:30:56,641
Speaker 3: although I think we probably have a pretty good idea

586
00:30:56,721 --> 00:30:59,841
Speaker 3: of that and hold them accountable for it. You know,

587
00:30:59,921 --> 00:31:02,641
Speaker 3: if something happened to your family member, or your sister

588
00:31:02,721 --> 00:31:06,041
Speaker 3: or your brother, just because a lot of time goes

589
00:31:06,081 --> 00:31:07,321
Speaker 3: by and.

590
00:31:07,921 --> 00:31:10,641
Speaker 1: She may or may not be alive, are you gonna forget?

591
00:31:11,201 --> 00:31:15,361
Speaker 4: You never forget. No, With all the eyewitnesses that have

592
00:31:15,441 --> 00:31:19,081
Speaker 4: come forward saying they've seen sightings of it, does it

593
00:31:19,121 --> 00:31:21,681
Speaker 4: get you a lot? Like, you know, here's another one,

594
00:31:21,721 --> 00:31:23,761
Speaker 4: here's another one. Do we believe it? Do we believe it?

595
00:31:24,041 --> 00:31:27,601
Speaker 4: Like the woman who said in Barbados that she's seen

596
00:31:27,601 --> 00:31:28,721
Speaker 4: her at the toilet.

597
00:31:28,561 --> 00:31:31,161
Speaker 3: And we've been on a lot of roller coaster rides.

598
00:31:31,401 --> 00:31:36,001
Speaker 3: You know, these things happen every so often, and you

599
00:31:36,081 --> 00:31:37,721
Speaker 3: get a pit in your stomach.

600
00:31:37,401 --> 00:31:38,961
Speaker 1: And you think, oh my god, is this it?

601
00:31:39,161 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 3: And then you you tick up the hill and you're waiting,

602
00:31:42,641 --> 00:31:45,761
Speaker 3: you're waiting for the ride, and then and then it

603
00:31:45,881 --> 00:31:48,281
Speaker 3: ends where it ends, you know. So yeah, it's it's

604
00:31:48,321 --> 00:31:51,641
Speaker 3: hard to go through these things. I wish there were

605
00:31:51,681 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 3: more recently. And O, there's a lady right now I

606
00:31:55,521 --> 00:31:59,361
Speaker 3: think named Amy Barrow and Barbados that's claiming she thinks

607
00:31:59,481 --> 00:32:00,521
Speaker 3: she might be Amy.

608
00:32:01,201 --> 00:32:01,601
Speaker 4: Not her.

609
00:32:02,161 --> 00:32:05,401
Speaker 3: We've found photos of her that were taken in nineteen

610
00:32:05,521 --> 00:32:07,921
Speaker 3: ninety seven of her and her husband at some rotary

611
00:32:08,321 --> 00:32:10,601
Speaker 3: club event. I don't know what kind of help that

612
00:32:10,681 --> 00:32:12,721
Speaker 3: lady needs, but I hope she gets it. We've seen

613
00:32:12,921 --> 00:32:15,881
Speaker 3: hundreds of pictures of could this be Amy, you know,

614
00:32:16,001 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 3: since the show came out, and well, just a couple

615
00:32:18,721 --> 00:32:21,801
Speaker 3: are like you look a little closer, and it's like no, no, no,

616
00:32:21,801 --> 00:32:26,841
Speaker 3: no no. So not that we don't hugely appreciate people's

617
00:32:26,841 --> 00:32:30,761
Speaker 3: attempts to help us. I can't even explain how crazy

618
00:32:30,801 --> 00:32:33,041
Speaker 3: it is to us that after twenty seven years, this

619
00:32:33,081 --> 00:32:38,041
Speaker 3: is this show has driven so much interest in people

620
00:32:38,081 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 3: spending their time researching and I mean the amount of

621
00:32:41,001 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: work that some people are putting into it and sending

622
00:32:43,521 --> 00:32:46,961
Speaker 3: to us is just it's it's unbelievable.

623
00:32:47,081 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 4: My main concerning is though every time there's been a

624
00:32:50,521 --> 00:32:54,001
Speaker 4: sighting or this, the person that they've seen has reached

625
00:32:54,041 --> 00:32:57,321
Speaker 4: out for help, They've not helped, you know. Yeah, it's

626
00:32:57,361 --> 00:33:00,321
Speaker 4: like the Navy officers like to me, being a male

627
00:33:00,441 --> 00:33:03,521
Speaker 4: and seeing a female in trouble and asking please help me,

628
00:33:04,241 --> 00:33:06,841
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be thinking about my career. I'd be thinking

629
00:33:06,881 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 4: about helping somebody. And it's like that the lady in

630
00:33:09,761 --> 00:33:11,881
Speaker 4: the toilet, you know, she's come out and told her

631
00:33:11,921 --> 00:33:14,121
Speaker 4: husband that. He said, oh, that's not in our business.

632
00:33:14,161 --> 00:33:16,081
Speaker 4: But you know what I mean, it's like whoa, you know,

633
00:33:16,361 --> 00:33:18,161
Speaker 4: and you see I get dragged away by two men.

634
00:33:18,481 --> 00:33:21,361
Speaker 4: It's like, I just don't get why the ones ever

635
00:33:21,401 --> 00:33:22,081
Speaker 4: stop to help.

636
00:33:22,921 --> 00:33:24,161
Speaker 1: I don't either, you know.

637
00:33:24,201 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 3: And David Carmichael, you know, granted, at the time, although

638
00:33:27,721 --> 00:33:30,121
Speaker 3: he had that kind of strange interaction with the two

639
00:33:30,761 --> 00:33:34,561
Speaker 3: leged captors or whatever, he didn't even know about the

640
00:33:34,641 --> 00:33:37,081
Speaker 3: story at the time, So it's not like he was

641
00:33:37,121 --> 00:33:40,001
Speaker 3: aware that Amy was missing and recognized that that was her.

642
00:33:40,681 --> 00:33:43,721
Speaker 3: He recounted what he saw after he got home and

643
00:33:44,161 --> 00:33:46,121
Speaker 3: learned about the story, and he's like, oh my god,

644
00:33:46,201 --> 00:33:49,321
Speaker 3: that was her, and he's he's maintained one hundred percent

645
00:33:49,401 --> 00:33:52,681
Speaker 3: positivity of the fact that that's who he saw. One

646
00:33:52,761 --> 00:33:55,681
Speaker 3: interesting thing about his eyewitness sighting is he talked over

647
00:33:56,041 --> 00:34:02,361
Speaker 3: Oseki's man's watch that actually Amy's boyfriend gave her. That

648
00:34:02,921 --> 00:34:06,001
Speaker 3: watch had never been reported or discussed any news stories

649
00:34:06,121 --> 00:34:10,041
Speaker 3: or any reports. So that piece of information that he

650
00:34:10,161 --> 00:34:13,441
Speaker 3: gave I think was an important detail because it's not

651
00:34:13,521 --> 00:34:16,001
Speaker 3: something that he could have looked up and known about.

652
00:34:16,401 --> 00:34:19,841
Speaker 3: And then you know, one of the eyewitness taxicab driver,

653
00:34:20,681 --> 00:34:22,241
Speaker 3: he's the one that said she came up to his

654
00:34:22,321 --> 00:34:24,321
Speaker 3: cab that morning, asked where a phone was, and then

655
00:34:24,361 --> 00:34:27,121
Speaker 3: went the other direction. He's also the same man that

656
00:34:27,201 --> 00:34:29,161
Speaker 3: walked up to me and my dad when we went

657
00:34:29,201 --> 00:34:32,281
Speaker 3: back down to Cursow with my uncle, my dad, Amy's boyfriend,

658
00:34:32,361 --> 00:34:35,801
Speaker 3: and myself to search for her and hand out flyers

659
00:34:35,841 --> 00:34:37,441
Speaker 3: and hold press conference. You know, my dad and I

660
00:34:37,521 --> 00:34:39,081
Speaker 3: are standing out in front of the hotel in the

661
00:34:39,121 --> 00:34:42,401
Speaker 3: valet circle, and this older gentleman walks up to us

662
00:34:42,921 --> 00:34:44,801
Speaker 3: and said, excuse me, are you the father of the

663
00:34:44,841 --> 00:34:46,681
Speaker 3: missing daughter, and I'm standing there with my dad. My

664
00:34:46,721 --> 00:34:49,401
Speaker 3: dad says, yes, I am. So he walks out really

665
00:34:49,401 --> 00:34:51,081
Speaker 3: close to us and leans in and he said, I

666
00:34:51,081 --> 00:34:53,681
Speaker 3: want you to know something. He said, your daughter did

667
00:34:53,681 --> 00:34:56,201
Speaker 3: not fall from that ship. Your daughter did not jump

668
00:34:56,241 --> 00:34:59,361
Speaker 3: from that ship. She is on this island, and I

669
00:34:59,401 --> 00:35:01,481
Speaker 3: hope you can find her. So he tells us to

670
00:35:01,521 --> 00:35:06,521
Speaker 3: search three places, Coral Cliffs, Kudus, in a place called Habitat,

671
00:35:07,201 --> 00:35:11,401
Speaker 3: and so he says good luck and walked away. So

672
00:35:11,841 --> 00:35:15,201
Speaker 3: I've often thought perhaps if Amy was trafficked off of

673
00:35:15,241 --> 00:35:17,721
Speaker 3: that ship, put into his cab to be delivered to

674
00:35:17,801 --> 00:35:21,641
Speaker 3: one of these destinations, he wanted to help us and

675
00:35:22,041 --> 00:35:24,361
Speaker 3: didn't want to out himself as.

676
00:35:24,201 --> 00:35:26,801
Speaker 1: Being involved in it. But you know, we checked these

677
00:35:26,841 --> 00:35:27,401
Speaker 1: places out.

678
00:35:27,441 --> 00:35:29,721
Speaker 3: There was a lot of water access where boats could

679
00:35:29,761 --> 00:35:32,961
Speaker 3: come and go freely without being checked. There were resort

680
00:35:33,041 --> 00:35:35,841
Speaker 3: type places where there weren't any people anywhere other than

681
00:35:35,961 --> 00:35:38,801
Speaker 3: staff and employees. And we walk into this place and

682
00:35:38,841 --> 00:35:42,161
Speaker 3: it's this full on casino, bells and lights and all

683
00:35:42,201 --> 00:35:45,001
Speaker 3: this stuff going on, nobody anywhere, and we sat there.

684
00:35:45,001 --> 00:35:46,801
Speaker 3: He told us not to make a scene, not to

685
00:35:46,841 --> 00:35:50,041
Speaker 3: make it known, but to go to those places and observe.

686
00:35:50,881 --> 00:35:55,201
Speaker 3: So that's another direct account from someone who lived on

687
00:35:55,201 --> 00:35:58,521
Speaker 3: that island and could have potentially been involved in either

688
00:35:59,041 --> 00:36:03,241
Speaker 3: you know, delivering drugs or people to certain places where

689
00:36:03,241 --> 00:36:04,081
Speaker 3: they were taken to.

690
00:36:05,281 --> 00:36:09,161
Speaker 4: In the documentary, towards the end of it, the daughter

691
00:36:09,921 --> 00:36:15,001
Speaker 4: of Yellow contential family. How did that feel when she

692
00:36:15,041 --> 00:36:16,361
Speaker 4: actually reached out to you guys.

693
00:36:16,881 --> 00:36:20,921
Speaker 3: Well, I think that she reached out to us. I

694
00:36:20,961 --> 00:36:24,041
Speaker 3: want to say it was like twenty sixteen. That voice

695
00:36:24,121 --> 00:36:28,481
Speaker 3: message that she left on my parents' answering machine was from,

696
00:36:28,681 --> 00:36:32,241
Speaker 3: you know, nine years ago. It's not something that just happened.

697
00:36:32,801 --> 00:36:35,601
Speaker 3: A mom has spoken with her a number of times,

698
00:36:35,721 --> 00:36:39,081
Speaker 3: as have I actually did a TikTok live last night

699
00:36:39,201 --> 00:36:42,001
Speaker 3: with her, who shares a lot of information. She has

700
00:36:42,041 --> 00:36:44,921
Speaker 3: always felt in her gut that her dad was involved.

701
00:36:45,441 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 3: She never had to come forward and put herself out

702
00:36:47,961 --> 00:36:50,601
Speaker 3: there like she has. I find her to be extremely

703
00:36:50,801 --> 00:36:55,041
Speaker 3: honest and extremely sincere. But yeah, she goes on to

704
00:36:55,081 --> 00:36:58,681
Speaker 3: say that Yellow that her mom. Now, of course, her

705
00:36:58,681 --> 00:37:00,361
Speaker 3: mom was pregnant with her at the time, so she

706
00:37:00,441 --> 00:37:03,641
Speaker 3: wasn't even alive when this happened. But as she grew

707
00:37:03,721 --> 00:37:06,281
Speaker 3: up and her mom told her these stories, you know,

708
00:37:06,401 --> 00:37:08,721
Speaker 3: he's got the photos in a suitcase. When he comes home,

709
00:37:08,801 --> 00:37:11,041
Speaker 3: he's a different person when he comes home. They end up,

710
00:37:11,081 --> 00:37:15,001
Speaker 3: he ends up leaving her while she's pregnant. He ends

711
00:37:15,081 --> 00:37:17,241
Speaker 3: up talking about and boasting about the fact that he

712
00:37:17,281 --> 00:37:19,681
Speaker 3: has sixty thousand dollars all of a sudden when he

713
00:37:19,801 --> 00:37:23,521
Speaker 3: wasn't a rich person, and friends have talked about that

714
00:37:24,041 --> 00:37:28,361
Speaker 3: to her. She she yeah, so yeah, it was. It

715
00:37:28,401 --> 00:37:32,081
Speaker 3: was surprising, and when we first were contacted by her,

716
00:37:33,241 --> 00:37:36,881
Speaker 3: and she's maintained her feelings that her dad is involved

717
00:37:36,881 --> 00:37:40,961
Speaker 3: to this day. So apparently they Unfortunately for her, they

718
00:37:41,041 --> 00:37:43,521
Speaker 3: don't have a relationship or she didn't have, you know,

719
00:37:43,761 --> 00:37:47,281
Speaker 3: anything to do with her own dad. He's never come

720
00:37:47,321 --> 00:37:50,161
Speaker 3: to see her grand his grandchildren, she has two daughters.

721
00:37:51,481 --> 00:37:53,961
Speaker 3: Because I think he may know that if he steps

722
00:37:53,961 --> 00:37:56,241
Speaker 3: foot in the United States, he might be fair game

723
00:37:57,641 --> 00:38:01,201
Speaker 3: or reinvestigation. But as it stands now, fbi've told us

724
00:38:01,201 --> 00:38:03,201
Speaker 3: they can't question him unless he agrees to it.

725
00:38:03,681 --> 00:38:08,321
Speaker 4: What about what his ex wife did his wife had daughter? Yeah,

726
00:38:09,561 --> 00:38:10,401
Speaker 4: never been questioned.

727
00:38:11,001 --> 00:38:13,961
Speaker 3: I don't know what actually, no, actually, yeah, she has

728
00:38:14,001 --> 00:38:16,321
Speaker 3: been questioned. My mom told me today actually because I

729
00:38:16,361 --> 00:38:19,801
Speaker 3: was talking to her about my conversation with Amika recently,

730
00:38:20,401 --> 00:38:22,881
Speaker 3: and she told me that Agent Sheridan shared with her

731
00:38:23,401 --> 00:38:27,161
Speaker 3: that she feels like they did an interview with the

732
00:38:27,201 --> 00:38:29,921
Speaker 3: mother and that it was the opinion of the FBI

733
00:38:30,001 --> 00:38:32,641
Speaker 3: agent that the mother knew more than she gave them.

734
00:38:33,961 --> 00:38:35,881
Speaker 3: I don't know whether there was any follow up about it.

735
00:38:37,321 --> 00:38:40,801
Speaker 3: I know that our investigator, our current investigator, has spoken

736
00:38:40,841 --> 00:38:46,321
Speaker 3: to the mother, and that's been fairly recently. And I

737
00:38:46,361 --> 00:38:49,641
Speaker 3: believe even today Amika was I was watching a live

738
00:38:49,761 --> 00:38:52,921
Speaker 3: she did with another guy on TikTok this morning, and

739
00:38:53,201 --> 00:38:56,321
Speaker 3: she actually might have been last night's with me where

740
00:38:56,361 --> 00:38:59,321
Speaker 3: she says I asked her if her mother shares the

741
00:38:59,361 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: same thought whether that Yellow is involved, and she says

742
00:39:02,041 --> 00:39:02,641
Speaker 3: that she does.

743
00:39:03,481 --> 00:39:03,561
Speaker 4: So.

744
00:39:04,241 --> 00:39:09,281
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mika, I think is a really awesome gal. Our

745
00:39:09,321 --> 00:39:12,801
Speaker 3: family is really grateful to her for coming forward. And

746
00:39:12,921 --> 00:39:15,121
Speaker 3: of course she only knows so much, and she only

747
00:39:15,201 --> 00:39:18,201
Speaker 3: she doesn't know what she doesn't know, but she's she's all.

748
00:39:18,761 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 3: She's absolutely tried to get information out of her dad

749
00:39:23,481 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 3: and and and obviously shared with us what she thinks

750
00:39:28,041 --> 00:39:30,601
Speaker 3: about him and his potential involvement.

751
00:39:30,721 --> 00:39:33,041
Speaker 4: I'm not the author touch him at.

752
00:39:32,921 --> 00:39:36,881
Speaker 3: All, apparently not unless you know I don't know whether

753
00:39:37,041 --> 00:39:40,761
Speaker 3: treaties need to be adjusted or whether if the if

754
00:39:40,801 --> 00:39:44,121
Speaker 3: the Grenadian government agreed to work with our authorities to

755
00:39:44,241 --> 00:39:47,961
Speaker 3: facilitate some some sort of thing, I don't even know

756
00:39:48,961 --> 00:39:52,561
Speaker 3: if that would allow our FBI to do anything about it. So,

757
00:39:53,281 --> 00:39:58,281
Speaker 3: you know, unfortunately, when you are from another you know,

758
00:39:58,561 --> 00:40:01,041
Speaker 3: United States, or from any other country, and you go

759
00:40:01,161 --> 00:40:06,121
Speaker 3: to a different sovereign country, especially in national waters where

760
00:40:06,161 --> 00:40:08,401
Speaker 3: the ship that you're on also flies a foreign flag,

761
00:40:09,281 --> 00:40:16,601
Speaker 3: there's very much so limitations and barriers to jurisdiction. There's

762
00:40:16,641 --> 00:40:19,721
Speaker 3: a lot of problem there. And I firmly believe that

763
00:40:19,721 --> 00:40:26,441
Speaker 3: that's why the cruise ships in those islands vast majority

764
00:40:26,481 --> 00:40:29,881
Speaker 3: of the time, the protect employees are protected their foreign

765
00:40:29,921 --> 00:40:33,001
Speaker 3: they're from those islands, they're from different countries, And I

766
00:40:33,041 --> 00:40:37,601
Speaker 3: think that's because if their employees are ever involved in

767
00:40:37,641 --> 00:40:40,601
Speaker 3: any criminal activity, our authorities can't do anything about it.

768
00:40:40,641 --> 00:40:44,801
Speaker 4: Apparently. Wow, going back to the suitcase that was found

769
00:40:45,081 --> 00:40:47,801
Speaker 4: that he brought back all the time with those pitches,

770
00:40:48,321 --> 00:40:50,081
Speaker 4: did you ever get to see any of those pitches

771
00:40:50,161 --> 00:40:51,801
Speaker 4: or you didn't already?

772
00:40:51,961 --> 00:40:55,881
Speaker 3: You have to remember that this is secondhand information passed

773
00:40:56,441 --> 00:41:00,521
Speaker 3: to Amika from her mother that we didn't even know

774
00:41:00,641 --> 00:41:04,841
Speaker 3: about until twenty sixteen, so you know, to be fair,

775
00:41:05,281 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 3: there's no way the FBI is going to be able

776
00:41:07,961 --> 00:41:13,481
Speaker 3: to find those pictures eighteen years later. Anyway, this is

777
00:41:13,561 --> 00:41:16,521
Speaker 3: kind of a I guess basically kind of a hearsay

778
00:41:16,601 --> 00:41:21,161
Speaker 3: thing between the mother and the daughter where they claim

779
00:41:21,241 --> 00:41:23,961
Speaker 3: to know of this. The mother is the one that

780
00:41:24,281 --> 00:41:26,481
Speaker 3: because again she was pregnant with me at the time,

781
00:41:26,961 --> 00:41:30,441
Speaker 3: and she's explained to her what she saw, you know,

782
00:41:30,481 --> 00:41:33,361
Speaker 3: after she grew up enough to be able to discuss

783
00:41:33,401 --> 00:41:34,521
Speaker 3: that type of thing with her daughter.

784
00:41:34,641 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 4: Wow. So twenty seven years on, and I think it's

785
00:41:40,441 --> 00:41:44,801
Speaker 4: actually today, of all days, it's ten thousand days to

786
00:41:44,881 --> 00:41:46,081
Speaker 4: the day it happened.

787
00:41:46,401 --> 00:41:48,041
Speaker 1: I didn't, I have no idea.

788
00:41:48,681 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 4: I actually looked that up today and it's actually ten

789
00:41:51,041 --> 00:41:54,161
Speaker 4: thousand exactly on the dot that it happened today.

790
00:41:54,841 --> 00:41:55,121
Speaker 1: Wow.

791
00:41:55,761 --> 00:42:01,081
Speaker 4: And like I've already asked you this question about you know,

792
00:42:01,281 --> 00:42:06,121
Speaker 4: what's going through your head and how you cope and

793
00:42:06,161 --> 00:42:08,281
Speaker 4: when do when'd you when do you ever think that

794
00:42:08,401 --> 00:42:11,361
Speaker 4: you can you know, put an end to it, because

795
00:42:11,401 --> 00:42:12,841
Speaker 4: you can't, as you said, you can put an end

796
00:42:12,841 --> 00:42:15,401
Speaker 4: to it till you actually can actually know what's happened

797
00:42:15,401 --> 00:42:18,801
Speaker 4: to it or even see if she's alive or or

798
00:42:18,841 --> 00:42:22,081
Speaker 4: the closure. If she isn't alive, at least know where

799
00:42:22,121 --> 00:42:24,881
Speaker 4: she is, you know, with the if there's ever body

800
00:42:25,001 --> 00:42:26,241
Speaker 4: or nobody.

801
00:42:26,561 --> 00:42:27,601
Speaker 1: Yes, we're not, we're not.

802
00:42:28,521 --> 00:42:32,401
Speaker 3: And even let's say we we discover and there is

803
00:42:32,481 --> 00:42:36,921
Speaker 3: concrete evidence that she is no longer here, then we're

804
00:42:36,961 --> 00:42:40,881
Speaker 3: also not going to stop going after who these people

805
00:42:40,961 --> 00:42:43,641
Speaker 3: are that were involved in what happened with her. We're

806
00:42:43,641 --> 00:42:46,441
Speaker 3: not going to just kind of fold our hands and

807
00:42:46,481 --> 00:42:50,761
Speaker 3: bow our heads and say, oh, well, I think you know,

808
00:42:52,721 --> 00:42:55,561
Speaker 3: we would continue to try and do everything we can

809
00:42:55,601 --> 00:42:59,801
Speaker 3: do UH forever until something happens in that regard to.

810
00:43:00,321 --> 00:43:02,641
Speaker 4: You know what, when I forget what his name was

811
00:43:02,641 --> 00:43:04,881
Speaker 4: on the on the documentary that he reached out to

812
00:43:04,961 --> 00:43:11,921
Speaker 4: you from Australia about some UH investigation where he could fight,

813
00:43:11,961 --> 00:43:16,321
Speaker 4: he could pinpoint where the most nets it was coming from,

814
00:43:16,481 --> 00:43:19,281
Speaker 4: the hits on the pitches. Now a lot of the

815
00:43:19,361 --> 00:43:22,641
Speaker 4: hits were coming from the same place in Barbados. Did

816
00:43:22,801 --> 00:43:25,521
Speaker 4: did you at the time when this happened think, okay,

817
00:43:26,521 --> 00:43:28,521
Speaker 4: maybe I should go over there. If this hits is

818
00:43:28,561 --> 00:43:32,121
Speaker 4: going I maybe spend a bit of time in Barbados

819
00:43:32,201 --> 00:43:36,361
Speaker 4: or this part of Barbados and see if anything comes.

820
00:43:36,121 --> 00:43:41,641
Speaker 1: Up well to answer, well, to not answer that question.

821
00:43:42,761 --> 00:43:45,201
Speaker 1: You know, we're not currently discussing.

822
00:43:46,121 --> 00:43:50,921
Speaker 3: What we have or haven't done on certain islands and

823
00:43:51,241 --> 00:43:56,321
Speaker 3: or the latest IP information. Again, you know, sharing with

824
00:43:56,401 --> 00:44:01,041
Speaker 3: the world, I've come to learn is sometimes not a

825
00:44:01,081 --> 00:44:05,001
Speaker 3: safe thing to do. And so you know, again as

826
00:44:05,161 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: as to not compromise any ongoing investigation or activity, it's

827
00:44:12,561 --> 00:44:14,761
Speaker 3: just not something that I can I can discuss.

828
00:44:14,921 --> 00:44:16,921
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally understand that. Totally understand.

829
00:44:17,041 --> 00:44:20,801
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're referring to Anthony Willis. Yeah, he is a

830
00:44:20,841 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 3: phenomenal human being. I think he learned about Amy's case

831
00:44:26,521 --> 00:44:29,681
Speaker 3: when he was about sixteen years old and has spent

832
00:44:30,361 --> 00:44:35,601
Speaker 3: more than a decade now devoting his time and his

833
00:44:35,801 --> 00:44:40,481
Speaker 3: energy to finding answers. He built and developed this website,

834
00:44:41,481 --> 00:44:44,401
Speaker 3: He has followed it, he has tracked it. He actually

835
00:44:44,401 --> 00:44:47,161
Speaker 3: did a big interview in one of your one of

836
00:44:47,161 --> 00:44:50,161
Speaker 3: your big newspapers that I think came out either today

837
00:44:50,241 --> 00:44:52,841
Speaker 3: or yesterday or the day before. So I don't know

838
00:44:52,881 --> 00:44:56,161
Speaker 3: if you saw that, but he's you know, we love Anthony.

839
00:44:56,241 --> 00:45:01,321
Speaker 3: He's dedicated himself to us into helping Amy. He in

840
00:45:01,401 --> 00:45:07,481
Speaker 3: fact got his degree in criminology I think from University

841
00:45:07,481 --> 00:45:11,281
Speaker 3: of Western Sydney, and the reason he did that is

842
00:45:11,321 --> 00:45:15,921
Speaker 3: because of Amy. So he's he's just an awesome dude

843
00:45:16,081 --> 00:45:19,001
Speaker 3: and we can't thank him enough for what he has

844
00:45:19,041 --> 00:45:20,281
Speaker 3: done and what he continues to do.

845
00:45:21,521 --> 00:45:23,801
Speaker 1: So Anthony, if you see this, thank you brother.

846
00:45:24,921 --> 00:45:27,401
Speaker 3: I hope everybody kind of looks out, you know, for

847
00:45:27,481 --> 00:45:29,321
Speaker 3: his story in the paper and see what he has to.

848
00:45:29,281 --> 00:45:34,041
Speaker 4: Say before before we go. Is there anything you want

849
00:45:34,081 --> 00:45:36,601
Speaker 4: to put out there that you can say or is

850
00:45:36,641 --> 00:45:39,401
Speaker 4: there anything you want to say before we go? Yeah?

851
00:45:39,481 --> 00:45:42,521
Speaker 3: I mean so, firstly, Amy, if you're out there watching this,

852
00:45:43,721 --> 00:45:48,081
Speaker 3: if that's at all possible, we are not going to

853
00:45:48,121 --> 00:45:52,081
Speaker 3: stop ever trying to find you or trying to find answers.

854
00:45:53,001 --> 00:45:56,601
Speaker 3: We're trying to hold those responsible accountable for for what happened.

855
00:45:57,601 --> 00:46:02,241
Speaker 3: Please don't give up. We certainly won't, and we love you.

856
00:46:02,681 --> 00:46:06,761
Speaker 3: So that's that's one. H Two is that there are

857
00:46:06,801 --> 00:46:10,601
Speaker 3: currently a couple of volunteer efforts that you can find

858
00:46:10,641 --> 00:46:15,081
Speaker 3: in the links on my bio on both ax and TikTok.

859
00:46:16,001 --> 00:46:20,761
Speaker 3: There's a really helpful Facebook group called find Amy Bradley

860
00:46:21,521 --> 00:46:25,561
Speaker 3: that has been active for years that is pushing these

861
00:46:25,641 --> 00:46:30,041
Speaker 3: volunteer efforts. One is called Project Miata, which is a

862
00:46:30,041 --> 00:46:36,641
Speaker 3: push to try and gain volunteer volunteers for contacting your

863
00:46:37,241 --> 00:46:42,201
Speaker 3: local elected officials, your state officials, your federal officials, and

864
00:46:42,281 --> 00:46:49,001
Speaker 3: requesting and demanding that some time and attention and renewed

865
00:46:49,761 --> 00:46:53,801
Speaker 3: investigation be put into this case because I think we

866
00:46:54,481 --> 00:46:57,641
Speaker 3: have had too many balls dropped by the people that

867
00:46:57,721 --> 00:47:00,521
Speaker 3: have so far been in charge of it. So Project

868
00:47:00,561 --> 00:47:04,801
Speaker 3: Miata is how you can help us try and affect

869
00:47:04,841 --> 00:47:10,521
Speaker 3: some change, potentially legislatively, not only for reinvestigation of the

870
00:47:10,561 --> 00:47:16,401
Speaker 3: players and the events related to Amy's story, but the

871
00:47:16,521 --> 00:47:20,881
Speaker 3: change the laws of how American citizens can be protected

872
00:47:20,881 --> 00:47:26,121
Speaker 3: and how we can limit and or minimize the effects

873
00:47:26,161 --> 00:47:28,881
Speaker 3: of human trafficking, which obviously I think people are learning

874
00:47:28,961 --> 00:47:32,881
Speaker 3: is a global crisis. I think unfortunately a lot of

875
00:47:32,921 --> 00:47:36,001
Speaker 3: people still kind of think like, yeah, yeah, that's a

876
00:47:36,001 --> 00:47:41,041
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory that doesn't really happen. It absolutely does. And

877
00:47:41,921 --> 00:47:47,161
Speaker 3: if all that comes from this is some sort of

878
00:47:47,201 --> 00:47:51,121
Speaker 3: positive change that helps to lessen the chance as happens

879
00:47:51,161 --> 00:47:54,681
Speaker 3: to someone else's sister, or someone else's daughter, or someone

880
00:47:54,681 --> 00:47:59,041
Speaker 3: else's loved one, that would it'd be worth all the

881
00:47:59,081 --> 00:48:04,401
Speaker 3: time and effort involved. There's another volunteer effort called Project Bailey,

882
00:48:04,481 --> 00:48:08,001
Speaker 3: named after her English bulldog who lived with us after

883
00:48:08,041 --> 00:48:11,161
Speaker 3: she disappeared for nine years until he passed in two

884
00:48:11,161 --> 00:48:14,241
Speaker 3: thousand and seven. Project Bailey is kind of a social

885
00:48:14,281 --> 00:48:19,761
Speaker 3: media outreach volunteer effort to target these islands in these

886
00:48:19,761 --> 00:48:24,481
Speaker 3: areas and the people down there that, unfortunately for so

887
00:48:24,521 --> 00:48:29,361
Speaker 3: many years, have been pretty tight lipped about things that

888
00:48:29,401 --> 00:48:31,481
Speaker 3: they know about that go on or people that they

889
00:48:31,521 --> 00:48:34,241
Speaker 3: know about that do this or that. So we're trying

890
00:48:34,241 --> 00:48:36,681
Speaker 3: to get some help and trying to encourage people to

891
00:48:36,721 --> 00:48:40,881
Speaker 3: speak out and to help. So those two volunteer efforts.

892
00:48:40,921 --> 00:48:45,321
Speaker 3: Obviously we touched on the GoFundMe that was set up

893
00:48:45,361 --> 00:48:50,201
Speaker 3: for us a while back. You know, we're not looking

894
00:48:50,201 --> 00:48:52,801
Speaker 3: to make money. We're looking to have the money that's

895
00:48:52,841 --> 00:48:59,561
Speaker 3: necessary to affect the investigation and the searches and hiring

896
00:48:59,601 --> 00:49:03,201
Speaker 3: this person or that person or this team or that team. Again,

897
00:49:03,241 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 3: we don't have it, so a dollar at a time,

898
00:49:06,801 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 3: five dollars at a time. If if you're wondering how

899
00:49:10,481 --> 00:49:15,241
Speaker 3: you can help, that is one way. There are petitions

900
00:49:15,601 --> 00:49:19,281
Speaker 3: on change dot org. One that is trying to get

901
00:49:19,321 --> 00:49:23,801
Speaker 3: the attention and support of the Presidential Administration to help us.

902
00:49:25,121 --> 00:49:29,721
Speaker 3: Two is for Amy alerts to be mandated on cruise shifts,

903
00:49:30,001 --> 00:49:32,801
Speaker 3: similar to Amber alerts, where when a child goes missing,

904
00:49:33,241 --> 00:49:36,401
Speaker 3: where everybody is notified all at the same time, immediately,

905
00:49:37,401 --> 00:49:40,081
Speaker 3: if you know. I think that's something that is an

906
00:49:40,121 --> 00:49:43,601
Speaker 3: amazing idea that some girl named Kendra on TikTok came

907
00:49:43,681 --> 00:49:46,721
Speaker 3: up with. I think there's twenty thousand signatures to it.

908
00:49:48,001 --> 00:49:52,041
Speaker 3: And again, if this can be a small change that

909
00:49:52,121 --> 00:49:54,641
Speaker 3: is implemented, and I believe it would have to be

910
00:49:54,681 --> 00:49:57,961
Speaker 3: forced on the cruise lines, because I don't think that

911
00:49:58,001 --> 00:50:01,441
Speaker 3: they're going to volunteer to do these kind of things,

912
00:50:03,001 --> 00:50:04,561
Speaker 3: but that would be I think that would have to

913
00:50:04,561 --> 00:50:06,721
Speaker 3: be a buil that was passed or some kind of something.

914
00:50:06,761 --> 00:50:09,641
Speaker 3: But that's another thing that we're pushing to try and

915
00:50:09,681 --> 00:50:17,601
Speaker 3: get accomplished. Yeah, and obviously this whole thing, I feel

916
00:50:17,681 --> 00:50:22,321
Speaker 3: it hinges on somebody coming forward. We can talk about

917
00:50:22,321 --> 00:50:24,721
Speaker 3: all the details and the shoes and the key card

918
00:50:24,841 --> 00:50:28,761
Speaker 3: and this and that twenty seven years ago, but what

919
00:50:28,801 --> 00:50:31,721
Speaker 3: this is going to take is for someone to develop

920
00:50:31,841 --> 00:50:35,881
Speaker 3: enough of a conscience and decide for themselves that the

921
00:50:35,921 --> 00:50:40,921
Speaker 3: secret that they've kept for twenty seven years needs to

922
00:50:40,961 --> 00:50:44,201
Speaker 3: be divulged again.

923
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Speaker 1: I think there's more than one person that knows.

924
00:50:46,681 --> 00:50:51,241
Speaker 3: I think there's several or many people that know, and

925
00:50:51,281 --> 00:50:54,681
Speaker 3: we're dependent on them to give us the information that

926
00:50:54,721 --> 00:50:58,041
Speaker 3: we need. You know, if there's someone out there watching

927
00:50:58,081 --> 00:51:01,641
Speaker 3: that knows where Amy is or has some sort of

928
00:51:02,041 --> 00:51:07,001
Speaker 3: supervisory role in regard to Amy, please let her go.

929
00:51:07,121 --> 00:51:09,441
Speaker 3: Please let her return to her life and live the

930
00:51:09,481 --> 00:51:11,601
Speaker 3: rest of her life with her family and her friends.

931
00:51:12,481 --> 00:51:17,561
Speaker 3: She has suffered enough. We have all suffered enough. God

932
00:51:17,681 --> 00:51:21,801
Speaker 3: is watching. Speak salvation before it's too late.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Breuh, Thank you for your time, Thank you for

934
00:51:26,721 --> 00:51:29,241
Speaker 4: thank you for sharing the story of your sister Amy.

935
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Speaker 3: You're welcome, and thank you for having me on and

936
00:51:32,401 --> 00:51:35,041
Speaker 3: allowing me to do so. I appreciate you having the

937
00:51:35,081 --> 00:51:37,321
Speaker 3: interest and caring enough to talk about it and then

938
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Speaker 3: spread awareness.