WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 23 December 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:04.800 Late gentlemen, Welcome to the Late Plate. 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:09.319 Hello, and welcome to the Late Debate. Thank you for 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.559 your company. I'm Gabriella Power and joining us this evening 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:13.520 is Joe Hilde Brown. 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:15.400 Good evening, Hello, Railee. 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:18.640 Hello, So maybe I think I'm the most senior late 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:21.360 debater for the first time. You got to say that 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:24.079 very carefully. By the way, I'm the most senior late 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:25.920 debater on the show for the first. 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.840 Time person on this panel's. 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:30.240 And I'm also the old old you're. 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:33.160 Also, yeah, a bit old coming up tonight. John Persudo's 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:38.080 days as Victorian Liberal leader are likely numbered, as as 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:40.880 a leadership spill that could be held as soon as 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:41.839 this Friday. 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:43.680 Also, Donald Trump has vowed to. 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:47.599 End the Woke, insisting that it is destroying the country. 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:51.280 And it's been five years since JK. Rowling first called 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:54.040 out aggressive transgender activists. 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.760 But first, Christmas. 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.800 Is just two days away, and it's a day that 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:00.960 we celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:02.280 But of course there. 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:05.959 Are always some some grinches, like the Darribn counsel in Victoria, 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:08.840 that just want to pretend that it's not a religious holiday, 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.720 that Christmas doesn't really exist, and refuse to even acknowledge 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:17.280 the key word Christmas. Instead, it's a time where some 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.880 choose to say happy holidays or seasons greetings. And as 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:23.959 Joe hilde Browand has reminded everyone in his column over 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.640 the weekend, the word christ is front and center, and 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.120 because without Christ, there is no Christmas. 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.160 So Joe, talk to us about your idea. 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:35.000 If people want to avoid the term Merry Christmas, that's 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:39.000 of course fine, but they don't get the holiday. 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:41.760 This is what happens when you just play the waiting game, 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:43.600 and you wait for all the regular hosts to go 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.280 on holidays so that the filling host can come in, 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:48.120 and then I get to put my story at the 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:51.520 top of the rundown, and finally my takeover is complete. 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.040 Turns out it wasn't cultural Marxism that this story should 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.120 have been worried about. It was me. Yes, no, I 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.800 am filthy about this. I don't get outraged very easily, 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.320 to be honest, really, I'm no. I get hysterical and 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:08.079 have extreme moral positions on otherwise unimportant things, but I 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:09.679 don't get outraged. I don't get this same. 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:10.800 But you're outrighted about this. 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.280 I am just it's just so dumb. It's just so 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.400 incredibly dumb. And the more I sort of thought about it, 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:19.920 and the more I wrote about it, the dumber I 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:25.360 realized it was. Firstly, obviously that's right, I was getting 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:30.000 smarter everyone around him. But firstly, it's Christmas, right, So 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.160 the clues in the name. It's Christ's Mass, It's to 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.680 celebrate his birth. That's the only reason it's there. That's 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.000 the only reason we have a public holiday. Now, if 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.799 you want to start a campaign, go around wishing people 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:44.480 happy Yule Day or Happy Saturnalia. Because the Christians kind 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:46.639 of stole a few dates from other religions and sort 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:48.440 of plung their own on it. That's fine, but to 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:52.680 just retend we're just all having holidays for no reason reason. 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.160 And then I look, of course the word holiday itself, 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.760 and of course the word holiday is holy day. It 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:01.040 is literally when you have a day off to do 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:05.440 holy things, for religious services or for religious observance or whatever. 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:09.560 So the whole idea of having a holiday is founded 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:13.239 in religion, in religiosity. And then of course the names 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:17.280 of the days themselves are all named or most are 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:20.320 named after God's Okay, we've got Sunday for the sun 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.760 Monday for the moon Tuesday, I forget Tuesday, but Wednesday's 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.840 Odin's Day or Woden's Day. Thursday is Thursday, pretty obvious, 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:31.080 and Friday is free or Freersday. All right, so these 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:34.639 are the Norse gods. Saturday is again Saturn'sday, so a 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:37.720 Roman god thrown in there as well, or technically I 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.760 think he was a Titan. But anyway, so again, all 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:44.560 these things are completely imbued with christianny. And so when 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.560 you get some nob end counsel or some nob end 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.960 atheists saying, oh, well, it doesn't matter anyway because it's 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.920 all irrelevant and it's all just you know, it's irrationalists 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.960 and scientific, it's like, no, no, it's not perfectly rational. 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:00.080 It's not the French Revolution with it's you know, the 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:03.480 the third week of Thermidore. You know it it's based 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:07.760 on thousands of thousands of years years that we measure 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.280 from the time Christ was born, or there's the time 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.080 be thought he was born. We got that wrong, but 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.200 you know we still measure it. Yeah, like that is 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.360 the starting point for the Common Era. And yet they 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.440 still changed the name Anno Domini to the Common Era 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:22.320 because we thought we've got to get rid of Jesus, 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:26.279 but you're still measuring the years from when he was born, 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.040 so it's still no sense. 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:30.920 Rayah, what do you make of this? Do you support Joe's. 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.479 Idea that you don't get the holiday if you don't 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:33.359 say Merry Christmas. 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:34.680 I think that's a great idea. 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.120 And my other issue with this is I'm sure these 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:42.400 councils would have no issue saying Happy Dewali, Happy Ramadan, 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:47.400 mary Ad, all sorts of other religious holidays, but when 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:51.320 it comes to Christian holidays, everyone's like, oh no, we 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.799 can't possibly be a Christian country with a Christian heritage 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:59.279 and Christian foundations. It's just like, well, why the double standard. 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:05.040 If you're to go totally secular, totally atheist, no holidays, okay, 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:08.800 then cut out every single other multicultural holiday that you 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:11.440 like to celebrate in virtue signal about as a council. 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.120 But they don't do that every other holiday, green light, 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.200 go ahead, let's have some happy Duali. But when it 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:20.640 comes to Christmas, that's a no go. It's a complete 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.559 double standard, and it's anti reality. It's trying to deny 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:27.160 the foundations of Western civilization, deny the foundations of our country. 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.760 It wrote out our common story as a civilization. 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:32.280 It's ridiculous. 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.159 Yeah, and it's kind of like it's offensive to the 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:34.640 other story. 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:36.799 Now I really am going to let's hear it. 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:40.279 But it's offensive to other religions as well because it 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.000 doesn't take religion seriously. It's and it's quite a sort 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.520 of well known fact that you know, Muslims will have 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:49.159 more in common with with Christians, and believe it or not, 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.840 Jews and their religions do. They're all all three are 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.320 Abrahamic religions than they do it with Atheis. So the 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:56.960 idea talk to a Muslim about there just not being 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:00.040 a God, and it's like it's like saying that the 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.200 world doesn't exist. Right. So and again, so I've been 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:07.279 you know, I spent Ramadan in Turkey, of obviously Muslim country. 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:09.920 The idea that you would go around not say happy 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:14.080 Ramadan but instead say, you know, seasons copy you know 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:17.960 Seasons would look at you as though you had two heads. 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.120 But you know what this says, right, I think this 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:23.760 is just symptomatic of the broader leftist elite that is 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:29.760 fundamentally ashamed and embarrassed about our heritage. And our foundation 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.000 is a country. That's what it is. They're embarrassed that 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.800 we're a Christian country, which I think is completely absurd, 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.960 because we should be proud Christianity. The message of Christmas 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:43.280 is the most inclusive religious message, perhaps among all sort 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:48.640 of religions imaginable like Christianity has revolutionized the world, and 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.920 many of the human rights advocates and activists that I'm 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:55.479 sure these people look up to were Christians themselves. The 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.839 women's rights, about all sorts of things championed by Christians. 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.080 We should be proud of this fact, not trying to 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:01.640 erase it. 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:03.599 Well, that's well. The big thing now, of course, is 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:08.720 you know, reparations for slavery. The campaign against slavery was 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:11.560 started by Christians and were started by radical Christians. It 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:15.720 were started by Quakers, who are just incredibly annoying Puritans. 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.480 I still don't acknowledge the Reformation was actually legitimate. So 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.520 you know, all Protestants, as far as I'm concerned, saying great, 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:26.080 but it was there was people arguing for equality on 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:29.240 a Christian basis, that all these people were divine, all 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.240 these people were God's children, they were equally God's children. 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.400 And again there there would have been almost no other 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.440 way of understanding it, even in an Enlightenment or post 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.679 Enlightenment world. And even in the Enlightenment, most people were 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:48.760 trying to incorporate God into the scientific thinking because they 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:52.200 couldn't imagine, because life without it would seem so sort 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.600 of empty and soul. It's like Charles Darwin was at 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:59.920 pains to insist that his theories of evolution were not 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.120 in any way counter to the notion of God existing. 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:07.600 Same with Galileo. All these smug little atheists who think, 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.400 I know it was always, you know, the Church against science. 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.760 That is not true at all. In fact, most pioneers 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:17.880 in science were desperately trying to incorporate the idea of 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:21.280 God in their think. Even Brian Schmid, Australia's Nobel Prize 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:25.120 Our Nobel Laureate in astronomy, astrophysicists. This is a guy 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.480 stares at the heavens for a living. You know, if 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.720 there wasn't a guid out there, he'd be the first known. 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:33.080 And even he says that he's a militant agnostic, which 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.040 is that I don't know it, neither of you. 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.520 Well, we will be saying Merry Christmas. 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.160 On christ program Christmas, because otherwise that all the Irish 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:40.679 get drunk. 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.280 Any encourage can not have that, so we'll also be 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.480 getting the public holiday for under Joe's rules. But if 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:50.640 anyone is looking for an example of how not to lead, 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.920 look at embattled Victorian Liberal leader John and Pursudo, whose 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.120 time as leader appears to be running out fast and 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.680 thank goodness for that. After using his cast vote last 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.840 week to keep More Redeeming out of the Liberal Party, 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:08.320 he backflipped this weekend and ordered another party room meeting 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.800 set for January fifteenth, for More Redeeming to return. 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:12.280 Now. 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:13.840 John Persudo claims. 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.719 That the Victorian people know me after two years as 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.319 a fighter for them, and he couldn't. 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:20.120 Be more wrong about that. 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.920 All of Australia knows him as someone who only fights 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:24.679 for himself. 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:27.199 He has had so many chances to make. 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.560 Things right with More Redeeming and the party, he has 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.840 left it far too late. He's been only focused on 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.960 his ego and his pride and now a leadership spill 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:39.160 could be held as soon as this Friday, and Opposition 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:43.080 Police spokesman Brad Batton is considered to be the front runner. 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:44.880 But Freyer what met this is. 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.760 What people hate with politicians, all the infighting, not focused 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:49.319 on the job. 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.439 It's felt like the last two years we've just kind 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:56.440 of watched John Perzuto slowly dig one shovel at a time, 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.760 month by month, himself into this brave and I mean 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:01.880 it's kind of sad because I do know people that 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.840 are personally close with John Perzuto who say he's actually, 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.320 on a personal level, a very decent human being. 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:08.160 And so we. 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:12.360 Can't, well, we can't villainize politics is politics, right, But 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.600 I think the way that this is unfolded is a 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:21.520 travesty for Moy Redeeming, for women, and most importantly for Victorians. 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:25.760 They have hardly had a functional opposition for the last 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.880 two years, and that's that's ridiculous. I mean, they haven't 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:33.160 released a single major policy. What have they been doing. 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.400 You don't have a government to run, and to win government, 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:40.280 you need vision, you need values, and you need unity. 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:42.439 We don't get any sense. 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.679 Of what Victorian Liberal Party's vision is for the state. 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:47.040 What are their values? 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.720 Well, John Perzuto sums them up at the moment vote 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.720 against MOI Redeeming re entering the party one day, backflip 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.760 the next day. Anything to save your own back and 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:00.559 the unity, well that's in shambles. I think they need 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:04.160 a serious reset if the people of Victoria are going 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.760 to actually be done right by and also for Peter 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:10.800 Dutton in the federal coalition. I think getting Victoria under 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.000 control should be a key concern. 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.200 Yeah, top priority for sure. What do you think, Jo? 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.600 Yeah? The only thing I would disagree with out of 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:20.880 what Fred just said was that the opposition has been 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:23.560 shambles for two years. I think it's been about ten years, 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.000 and then it was a shamboll at government for all that. 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:29.720 And I say this as someone who has myself been 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.520 incredibly critical of Daniel Andrews and some of the things 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:34.319 he did, a lot of the things, almost everything he 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:40.040 did during COVID was absolutely shameful, and both major reviews 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:44.959 have even unasked to, even unbidden, have said that this 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.800 was absolutely wrong, and yet he was able to get 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.560 away with it because there was no effective opposition because 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.440 the opposition was fighting amongst itselves instead of holding the 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:54.600 government to account. 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:58.199 Victorian seemed to have Stockholm syndrome. They looked up to 0:11:58.280 --> 0:11:59.120 him during COVID. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:01.120 Yeah, believable. 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:06.840 I described it as the East Germany of Australia is 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.679 it is a place where the group think. And I'm 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.320 a Victoria myself. I grew up there and it's really changed, sadly. 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.920 But the group think, the parochialism, the kind of the 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.120 chip on the shoulder about how you know, we're the 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.679 best city in Australia, but no one appreciates it, accept us. 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.679 It is just crazy. And Andrews really cast a spell 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.520 on them, and almost the more he made them suffer, 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.160 the more they the more they liked him, and the 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.480 more they believed it because it because they'd already It's 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.240 kind of like a gambler chasing his losses that they'd 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.960 already suffered and been through so much that by the 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:44.320 time it became clear that this wasn't actually necessary, that 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.960 this wasn't actually working, they weren't going to get to 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.520 COVID zero. They were never going to be able to 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.720 open up, you know. It was just they were just 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.640 going to get crushed until the vaccine came along. Like 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:57.560 that's impossible. It was almost impossible. It's like, you mean, 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.760 we went through all this for nothing, And so they 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:02.319 just told themselves the story, Oh but he's been a 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.560 strong leader. But We didn't know any of this at 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.360 the time, but we did, and people were shouting for 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:09.640 He's a great actor, he's a brilliant performer, he's a 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.199 brilliant politician. And I have no doubt that he actually 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.800 initially thought that he was doing the right thing as well, 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.320 because there were people on the left screaming for lockdowns 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.120 and hysterical parents pulling their kids out of schools when 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:22.559 schools were safe and stuff. 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:24.520 Like that, but then ignoring the other side. 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:26.880 The problem is, this is going broke. The problem is 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:31.120 with the left that they don't They are instinctively ideological 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.400 and not pragmatiy. So they just said, right, this is 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:38.680 the ideology, this is the theory. And once that happens again, 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:43.200 the brainwash is complete and it's okay, well, we have lockdowns, 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.800 and lockdowns save lives. We do lockdowns, we save lives, 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:48.959 And that's the dogma and the way you go. Instead 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.360 of being for people more sensible or in the middle, 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.280 we sy, oh, hang on a minute, let's look at this. 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.520 Doesn't I'm to be honest, I'm pretty optimistic about Victoria. 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.040 Having said all of that, all the group think and 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:04.240 Victorians hating voting, but having said that the Victorian Liberals, 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:08.120 despite two years of chaos, despite no policies, despite very 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:12.760 little vision and values, are still polling pretty pretty well 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:16.000 against labor. And so, I mean the step down of 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:19.400 Daniel Andrews was the saving grace. Just into Alan is 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.400 a much weaker premier than Daniel Andrews was, and it's 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.840 reflected in everything from the public reception to her social 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:29.440 media statistics. They are far worse than Daniel Andrews. And 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:33.320 So if the Victorian Liberals, despite all the chaos internally, 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.400 can still somehow manage to be within a fighting chance 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:39.640 of government, I think there is hope for Victoria's hope. 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:40.880 They need a new leader. 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.680 Look to the US now, Donald Trump has wasted no 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.680 time preparing America about what to expect when he returns 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.640 to the White House. He declared that WOK has to 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:54.360 stop insisting that it's destroying the country, and essentially that 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:58.080 woke is bs. With a stroke of my pen on 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:03.680 day one, we're going to stop the transgender learnacy and. 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.920 We will keep men out of women's sports. 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:10.160 I think there are going to be a lot of 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:14.120 relieved parents and relieved women hearing that message from Donald Trump. 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.600 For sure, and I think this is the courage that 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:23.080 so few political leaders really have. And it's easy now 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.280 to look at Trump saying this uf and be like, well, 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.520 of course men shouldn't be in women's sports, But that 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:32.880 was not the consensus position even a couple of years ago. 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:36.000 Even a year ago, things were so different. But it 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:39.600 just shows you the power that courageous individuals can have 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.160 and how we can actually turn around our culture. We 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:47.880 really can. Conservatives often resign themselves to the backseat and say, oh, well, 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.480 everything's just going to get more progressive and there's nothing 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:52.560 we can really do about it but try to resist 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:53.920 as much as we can. But at the end of 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:57.320 the day, it's a losing fight. No, we can actually 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.480 turn the ship around. And I think the way Trump 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:06.200 has come out so strongly against this crazy, radical anti 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:10.560 reality wokeness and the way he has been rewarded by 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.960 the general public shows that conservatives need to get up 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.680 off their butts and stop whining about always losing every fight, 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.040 because they don't have to lose. We can actually win fights. 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:24.080 And this proves if we're on the side of truth, 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.240 if we're on the side of reality and common sense. 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:28.400 We will win. 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:30.320 Yeah, And We saw that in the US, didn't we 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.760 jo with the with the election results of Angelin I 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:33.800 really swung. 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.960 And people really rejected all this woke nonsense. 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.120 Yeah, and it's not just the RIO, it's not just 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.440 conservatives as well. So there is just a huge number 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:45.480 of people in the Labor Party who were thinking the 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:49.280 exact same thing but basically thought that they were the 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.560 only ones thinking it and were scared to say anything 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.800 in case they were canceled or pilloried. That they're back 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:56.840 now and again. Chris Means is the embodiment of the 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:00.760 sensible centrist Labor Party, and he's done some fantastic things 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:04.879 for trans people and the LGBTQ community, done things that 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:06.920 you know, if anyone else did them, would be seen 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:08.560 to be woke. But he's done it from a really 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:14.840 sort of calm and careful and considered, sort of sensible position. 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.080 And I think that is the problem here has not 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:20.840 necessarily been the issues themselves, but it's been the activists 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.200 behind them. And it's been like what Freyer said, where 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.280 you have these people who care more about the sound 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.080 of their own voices than they do about actually achieving 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:31.679 outcomes or indeed, the vulnerable people who they might be 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.560 pretending to represent, but where they just want an issue 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:36.720 to fight for. They want to be on the forefront 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:38.760 of something. They look around, you know, I've got marriage 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.520 or quality for gay peable. What's next? Trans trans? So 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:45.160 now you have to accept that trans women are women. 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:47.560 And if you don't say and if you don't say 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:51.800 that absolutely and again the absolute dogma, absolutely all the time, 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:55.520 no matter what, then you're transphobic. You're a biggot, and 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:57.879 you have to be canceled. And they get sort of 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.679 ahead of these arguments, and then they they try to 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.640 brainwash people and say, if you don't support everything we say, 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.240 this new orthodoxy that we've spelt out, if you don't 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.240 support all of it, then you're a bigot and you're 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.119 on the wrong side of history. And this is just progress. 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.399 And so conservatives think, oh, do you this projege regress. 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:18.560 That's what I don't want to end up looking like, 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:22.560 you know, a white supremacist during slavery or whatever. Whatever. 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.600 I better just do whatever they say. And of course 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:28.280 if you are seen to cross them, and they do pylon, 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.399 as we will see later on the show, then it 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.560 is just absolutely brutal and it's ferocious and people who 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:38.840 would otherwise be sympathetic to a lot of these issues, 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.400 and certainly a lot of the people who are suffering 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.200 as a result, just go, well, no, screw you all. 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:47.400 If you're just going to run around marauding people, abusing them, 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.440 telling people, you know, trying to come for people's jobs 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:52.919 or whatever it is, just because they don't agree with 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.480 the last thing that you've said, everyone has to agree 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:57.520 with ye, then I'm just going to be opposed to 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.439 whatever it is you say, no matter what, because that 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:01.600 is what you're doing to everyone else. 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:02.400 But that's the thing. 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.479 It's different from you know, you're conservative and sounding up 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:06.760 for your values and what you believe in. 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:08.760 You can't you don't have to be labeled. 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.920 A white supremacist and Nazi all these horrible things. 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:14.280 That's right, exactly like you call. I mean, the idea 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:17.520 of calling Donald Trump a Nazi is the repairs. But 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.240 the person that is most insulting to is not Donald Trump. 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:23.040 It is all the actual victims of Nazis. Of course, 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.399 the Jewish community would laugh there ares off at you 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.520 because to him, to ten, Donald Trump is the savior 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.520 who's delivered the best result for Israel in his presidency, 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:33.679 any of the other presidents could deliver, but again it 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:38.320 just shows that anyone. Again it's that ridiculous extremist ideological 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:40.840 thinking where if you don't agree with everything I say, 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:44.280 you're a biggot, you're a fascist, you're a Nazi, and 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.040 there's no there's no shades of people who disagree. 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.720 I think the problem, the key problem with the left 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:54.239 will always run into is that what is progress? And 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:58.720 if you blindly pursue progress as the virtue in and 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:03.240 of itself, you're actually not bound to any underlying values. 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.239 There's no guiding philosophy other than the fact that we 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:09.080 need to move forward, regardless of where we're moving to. 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:12.200 No one will tell you, well, what is. 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:13.440 What are we prayering to? 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:19.920 Just endless revolution, endless tearing down of the cultural fabric, 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:24.080 endless undermining of everything you know there's built Western civilization 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:27.360 because that is progress, and that is the only value 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:31.360