WEBVTT - Sharri | 3 July 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.840 Thanks Andrew first tonight to the disturbing new details about 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:07.360 a fourteen year old boy who police say was influenced 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:11.520 by a salad bar of ideology and allegedly had plans 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.680 to carry out a church as christ church terror attack 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.720 on home soil. It culminated in the alleged stabbing of 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:22.680 a student at a university yesterday. I'll have more details 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.079 about this in a moment, but first we need to 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:27.880 have a frank discussion in this country about the line 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:32.360 between mental illness and children and online radicalization and what 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.280 we are doing about it to protect kids and of 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:36.760 course the community. 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:38.120 It's a line that. 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:41.680 Authorities say has crossed over as they scramble to deal 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:45.640 with the threat. Experts say not enough is being done 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:49.640 when it comes to early intervention of children with significant 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.320 mental health problems. Now we can't tiptoe around the matter 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:58.280 as our most vulnerable are being targeted online by extremists 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.160 and the warnings have been there for some time. Here 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:05.240 was AFP Commissioner Rhyese Kershaw addressing National Press Club only 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:06.119 three months ago. 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.640 Some of our children and other vulnerable people are being 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:15.080 bewitched online by a cauldron of extremist poison. 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:16.600 On the open and dark web. 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.040 In this latest incident, a fourteen year old has been 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:23.280 arrested over the alleged stabbing of a student at the 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:28.120 University of Sydney. Now we know more details about his history. 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:31.440 The teenager had allegedly planned to carry out a christ 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.840 Church style terror attack at a school here in Australia. 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.520 He had been charged over those terror plans, but they 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:43.160 were dismissed in a children's court on mental health grounds 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:47.840 in February. He was then put into a deradicalization program. 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:51.400 But less than five months later, the teen allegedly stabbed 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.200 a twenty two year old on campus grounds at the 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:58.720 university yesterday. And here is a CCTV image of the 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:03.280 alleged defender in full camouflage a broad brim camouflage hat 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:07.200 and black boots as he leaves the university following. 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.280 The alleged attack. Now the New South. 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:14.040 Wales Joint Counter Terrorism Committee has now taken over this investigation. However, 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:16.720 it has not been declared a terror attack as a 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.359 motive or ideology has not been determined. 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.600 It's also known as the sort of salad bar of ideologies. People. 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:30.440 A lot of these vulnerable people, they're not linked into 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:34.240 one particular ideology, they will move as they're exposed to 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:38.000 different things. You know, it might be a white supremacist, 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:43.680 neo Nazi, It can easily flip into a religious ideation. 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:47.720 The Daily Telegraph reports the boy had a close interest 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:51.760 in controversial commentator Andrew Tait, who has made headlines for 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:56.440 his extreme views on women and masculinity. Concerns about the 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:00.200 fourteen year old's behavior were reported by community members to 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:04.400 government authorities. The Daily Telegraph says he has been homeschooled 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.320 ever since his alleged plans for a terror attack on 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:11.240 home soil, and it's also now been revealed the teenager 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.200 was last year on a wait list to be assessed 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.320 for autism for his family to be able to access 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:18.280 further support. 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:20.919 Putting aside this case. 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.280 What are we doing to help children who have been 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:27.880 identified as having significant mental health issues and a vulnerable 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:29.160 to radicalization? 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:31.240 Our authority is taking it. 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:35.560 Seriously enough and is there enough support being given? Howard 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:39.200 Brown is a victims of crime advocate. He had this 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:43.160 to say today about challenges authorities are facing when it 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:45.200 comes to early intervention. 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:48.720 We're not doing enough and one of the reasons why 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:52.280 we're not doing enough is because civil libertarians say, look, 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.400 you're talking about a fourteen year old child. You cannot 0:03:55.480 --> 0:04:00.720 place that person in custody because you're impinging upon their 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:01.560 civil rights. 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.800 And look in your custody, you're not going in a slammer. 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:06.000 You're talking about something. 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:10.000 I'm talking about in a forensic hospital now. And that's 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:10.800 the big difference. 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.800 And are we serious about community safety or not and 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:18.160 the safety of children. It's a problem federal police are 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:22.200 urgently dealing with. They are now working with autism experts 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.640 to try and stem the number of young people with 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:29.440 the disorder being radicalized online by violent extremists. The AFP 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:31.960 would not provide figures on the number of young people 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.839 neurodivergent or not being radicalized, but have seen an increase 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:40.320 in under sixteens on a path to radicalization or demonstrating 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:44.280 concerning behaviors since July twenty twenty one, with some planning 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.960 attacks at schools on students and teachers, or looking to 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:52.200 make explosives or use weapons. In May, a sixteen year 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.960 old Caucasian boy was shot dead by police in Perth after. 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:57.799 Stabbing a man in a Bunnings car park. 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:02.119 Police say he had self ready collies to Islam after 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:06.039 watching extremist content online and was understood to have suffered 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:10.359 significant mental health issues. He too had taken part in 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:14.400 a de radicalization program, and despite the allegation that this 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:18.400 is now the second failed deradicalization in a matter of months, 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.760 the federal government is confident the programs are working. 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.760 We are seeing some really concerning trends in the presentation 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.320 of terrorism in our country, and in fact these are 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:33.400 global trends. We're seeing a proliferation of ideologies that are 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.680 driving people to violence. We have a strong history in 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.720 our country of being able to prevent terrorist attacks, and 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.520 for every incident of violence we see, there are many 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:46.200 many that are prevented by our police and our intelligence agencies. 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.680 So I'm confident these programs do have some effect, but 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:50.720 we need to stay really focused on making sure that 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.800 we're attacking the problem with everything we've got. 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:57.840 But authorities say it highlights a more dangerous trend. 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:03.520 Highlights I guess crossover between mental illness and radicalization. 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:05.159 It's an interesting area. 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:09.200 It's a challenging area, but we've seen a rise. 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:12.040 Of incidents in recent times that everyone's aware of it. 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:14.520 But we need to make sure that we understand what 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:18.840 our children are looking at online and the information they're digesting. 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.159 Australia has a real challenge on its hands. It's a 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:25.479 new frontier and mental health is at the center. Sure 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:27.839 we can't use mental health as an excuse for everything, 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.920 but if children self radicalizing, in other words, they're sitting 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:39.240 in front of a screen, then there are serious issues there. Well, 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:42.599 the problems just keep getting worse and worse for the 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:47.080 bubbling Joe Biden, following that disastrous debate performance where he 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:51.400 malfunctioned from the moment he walked on stage, legendary journalist 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:55.920 Carl Bernstein, who broke the Watergate scandal, claims mister Biden 0:06:56.040 --> 0:07:00.800 has suffered as many as twenty mental breakdowns to his 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:05.480 shaky effort against the former president, that there. 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.960 Have been numerous instances where the President has lost his 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.680 train of thought can't pick it up again. There was 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:16.320 a fundraiser at which he started at the podium and 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.680 then he became very stiff, according to the people there, 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.040 as if it were almost a kind of rigor mortis. 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.840 Oh dear, not a good look, though. 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.360 I think we have some more recent vision of this 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:41.240 riga mortis. Joe and Sadly, there's more. 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:48.280 With the COVID I could be with dealing with everything 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:48.760 we have to. 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:53.440 Do with how do you address concerns about your capability 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.360 to handle the toughest job in the world, well into 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:57.360 your eighties. 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.120 Went I went to South Korea. 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:02.480 I convinced some to invest billions of dollars here in 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.120 the United States and there. 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:09.160 Guess what those fabs they call that to build. 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:13.080 These chips to for the ability. 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.600 For the Oh, it gets worse every time. 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:18.760 Now, the White House has held a press briefing for 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:20.360 the first time since that debate. 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:22.920 One reporter asked a fair question. 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:26.080 Does President Biden, at eighty one years old, have Alzheimer's 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:30.160 any form of dementia or degenerative illness that causes these 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:34.079 sorts of lapses. But according to Kareem Genperre, it can 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:35.880 all simply be put down too. 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:41.360 It was a bad Nate. It is not uncommon for 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.360 incumbents to have a bad nate on their first debate. 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:49.800 Just to take a step back, it was a bad Nate. Oh, 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.040 it was more than just a bad night. 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:55.440 No spin is going to cover up the fact that 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:58.880 the president is a very sick, frail old man who 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:02.600 needs to be in a nursing home. He's been completely exposed. 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:05.600 Now the White House can no longer save Joe Biden 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:06.400 from himself. 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.800 He's cooked. A House Democrat lawmaker has. 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.480 Become the first in the party to publicly call for 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:16.040 President Joe Biden to step down. Lloyd Doggett said Biden 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:21.200 should make the painful and difficult decision to withdraw. And 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.520 just as Democrats agree they have to replace this guy, 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.439 they are reminded that the vice president is just as bad. 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:33.960 Here's Kamala Harris's latest campaign video where she starts getting 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.920 jiggy with it with an American actress to try and 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:38.240 win over black votes. 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:40.959 So let's sign your mind. 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:45.040 Oh, Madam VP Harris, I'm worried about the election. 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.680 Women's reproductive rights are on the line, Our. 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:50.000 Supreme Court is on the line. 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.200 Our basic freedoms are being tested. 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:53.000 Madam VP. 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:55.720 I know you've been sure having across the country. 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:57.000 What are you hearing? 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:02.280 Yeah, girl, I'm out here in these streets. What she's 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:03.520 out here on the streets. 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:09.880 It's shivers up your spine level cringe that Democrats are imploding. 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:11.840 Oh, and there's more to come. 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.480 Joe Biden will star in his first television interview after 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:19.880 the debate disaster this weekend, where he will be interviewed 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:24.480 in the US by ABC host George Stephanopoulos, a presenter 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.400 currently being sued by Donald Trump. 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.400 But guess what. It won't beg live. 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.880 It's pre recorded, and you know what that means. It 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:39.360 can be manipulated, making the President look all shiny and new. 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:46.160 Also this hour, Liberal Senator Dave Scharmel will join me 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:50.640 on this alarming rise in extremism. Also tonight, Senator Fatima 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.800 Payman said to quit the Labor Party within days, the 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.680 Prime Minister all but confirming she's got a foot out 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:00.000 the door already, and King Charles kicks off Royal Way 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.160 ahead of the UK's mammoth election. We'll cross live to 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.600 London for the latest, but first let's bring in my panel, 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:10.360 former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and former Labor 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.800 Minister Graham Richardson. Hi to you both, Thank you so 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.560 much for joining us. I want to start here with 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:19.800 Joe Biden. Michael, how can the White House simply now 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.360 turn it around, try and spin it saying it was 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:23.800 a bad night. 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:30.920 Well, look, Fox and Sky here and GB News and 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.679 Sky in Britain are to be congratulated for telling the 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:37.280 truth about Biden, and shame on those send a left 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.760 and left media organizations who pretended there was for two 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.199 years there was anything wrong with him. But look, Danika, 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:44.680 a number of us on SKIS, you know, I've been 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:47.080 predicting that Biden wouldn't be the candidate. I know Rowan 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.560 Dean has been, Peter Kretlin has been, But let me 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.800 be the first to announce that Biden is not going 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.720 to be running. He's going to pull out either before 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:59.280 most likely before at the convention or if he wins 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.000 the convention within a couple of months. He's not running. 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.400 He's finished. He's out. It's not possible to carry this 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.440 man with pre recorded interviews, et cetera, c between now 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:12.480 and November, particularly when people work out that if they 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.959 elect him as president, he's president until the twentieth of 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:22.920 January twenty twenty nine. He's president till January twenty nine, 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:26.240 and that is horrifying. Look, he's not running. Biden's finished. 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:29.120 He's going to withdraw. And I know he doesn't know that, 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:30.840 and Julle doesn't know that yet, but that's what's going 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.720 to happen. You've got two groups in the Democratic Party. 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:36.480 You've got the Bidens and the people around the Bidens, 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:38.640 these faceless people who are running America, who knows who 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.960 they are? And then you've got everyone else. So the 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.000 ninety five percent of the Democratic Party biding their tongue 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:48.040 hoping he withdraws, but you know, the tap stripping and 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:51.320 he's finished. He's going to withdraw. I think there's only 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:53.760 a five percent chance that Biden will go on to 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:55.720 the election. I've never thought he was going to go 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:57.360 to the election. I've never thought he's going to be 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.560 the candidate. He's got the numbers, he think, says no, 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:02.800 I'm staying, they can't get rid of him. But he's 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:04.800 going to go. He's going to withdraw. So it's good 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:06.600 night to him. And now the next question is who's 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:10.360 taking over, and that looks likely to be the vice president. 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:13.120 Well, I mean, this is the problem that they've got. 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.000 I mean, who else really is there? We've got Kamala Harris, 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.920 she's out there, Graham Richardson making a. 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:20.240 Complete mockery of herself. 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.280 As I've just shown, they're desperate, They've got nobody else. 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.280 They're basically stuck now with the vice president. In the 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.600 event that the president does actually withdraw. 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.640 Well, I think the president has to withdraw. I can't 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:35.199 see how a bloke who doesn't know what room he's 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:38.400 in can keep being the president of the United States, 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:41.559 have the most powerful job in the world. Have his 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:45.120 finger on the button, he doesn't know what button is. 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.559 And I just think it's so sad because if you 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:50.880 look at his career, he's had to sell a career. 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:55.360 Biden almost fifty years of public life, and it's remarkable. 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.160 And I think you know, he's made a tremendous contribution. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.880 But for all of us, there comes a time when 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:08.520 your contribution is over and his is well and truly put. 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:12.520 He needs to just go, and the Democrats need to 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:16.160 get some balls and get rid of him. If he 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:20.320 won't go, they have to do something dramatic. They can't 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:24.480 just sit back and allow this dottery old bugger to 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.560 try and pretend he can run America. 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.200 Now your spot on, Absolutely it's time for him to go. 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.800 Stop the embarrassment. It's becoming elder abuse. Now, it's just 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.920 ridiculous to keep the circus going. Look, let's return back 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.640 home now. 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.000 Just before you go on, you just go back to 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:44.400 who would replaced by it? Well, because this is the 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.960 other half of the equation, and he goes who replaces him, Well, 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.560 the most senior person is the vice president. She's far 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:55.080 more senior than Gretchen Whitmar, who's a governor. How could 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.160 they argue that Whitmar should get the job above the 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:03.480 vice president? You can't Gavin Some's unelectable. In California, there 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.440 are two Democrats who are more senior than Harris, and 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:10.920 they are Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama. But Clinton's I 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.480 think past it, and Michelle Obama's never shown any incollation 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:15.880 that she wants to run, which leads me to the 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.720 conclusion that shocking show she is and she'll be thrashed 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.360 by Trump. It looks like Kamala Harris. 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:24.360 Yeah, well they're stuffed then either way. It's not a 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:25.400 good situation to. 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.000 Be And look, let's return to home matters now. Because 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:31.080 a renowned Australian businessman, Dick Smith, has hit out at 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:35.520 industry operators such as the CSIRO and AEMO, accusing them 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:39.320 of being misleading and completely biased against nuclear This is 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:39.920 what he said. 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.720 I believe it's the only answer we've got to reduce 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.640 carbon in the atmosphere. I don't think it's possible to 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.760 do it right throughout the world without using nuclear You've 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:53.160 got to use everything you've got. I'm pro renewables, but 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:56.880 renewables alone and Bacty's storage will be phenomenally expensive. 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:02.640 Graham, why won't Labour even consider the nuclear objectively as 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:04.560 what dick Smith has called for here? 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:06.440 Because we're stuck. 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.840 We're stuck in an old ideology that we've held dear 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.240 to our hearts for years and years, and we just 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:17.520 don't know how to say, well, might have been applicable 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.320 twenty years ago, but it's a load of crap now, 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.560 let's get rid of it. We just don't seem to 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.920 know how to do it. And I'm hoping, really hoping 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:29.440 that Albo gathers himself and stands up in the next 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.800 few week months and just says it's finished. We're out, 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:39.120 because really we are looking very, very very old when 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:40.160 it comes to policy. 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.280 Well, that's an interesting insight then, from you, Graham. As 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.600 a former labor minister, Michael, You've got to say Dick 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.840 Smith is making a fair point here. Labour's argument that 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:53.080 nuclear power would be too expensive yet not adding into 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:57.400 the conversation the cost of their so called green dream. 0:16:57.720 --> 0:16:57.880 Yeah. 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:01.040 Look, Graham's right. Labour have had an idea logical objection 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.360 to the mining industry ever since I was at university 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.160 from nineteen to seventy five onwards. They hate the mining companies. 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.160 They've just they've just got this blinkered view of any 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.479 anything that's taken out of the ground. It's this sort 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.040 of caveman view of the world as great basically as theirs. 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:19.280 And you know, I've just come back from Europe France 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.880 to get seventy percent of the of the energy from 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:26.479 electricity from nuclear power. The whole world's basically increasing their 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:30.159 store of nuclear power, and Australia looks very backward when 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:34.840 we're trying to rely on wind and solar when nuclear 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:39.080 basically is the fuel of the future. And so yeah, 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.480 I mean, will I albow do that, Graham? I don't 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:44.920 think so. But you're right, they're looking very bad. 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.760 I got to remember, Michael, we're not relying on wind 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:51.920 and solar, We're still relying on coal. I mean, that's 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.720 the real tragedy. Most of the power in Australia can't 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:55.080 mention that. 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:59.040 Yeah, of course, Yeah, the bad word coal. But you're right. 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:03.320 I mean the energy transition is happening completely back to front. 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.919 We're racing now to shut down these coal fired power plants. 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:10.560 No surprises, the life of Arah Ring has been extended. 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:12.800 I mean, what does that tell you that we're desperate 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.080 to keep the lights on in this country now? Look, 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:19.119 businesses have come out today warning the government's cap on 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:22.960 foreign students could cripple the country's higher education sector and 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.480 deliver a lasting blow to the economy. That's according to 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.400 the Business Council of Australia chief brand Black. He said 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.919 that international students were being used as a red herring 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.320 in the housing affordability debate. 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:35.760 Michael, do you. 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.440 Agree with this and THEE We've got record migration numbers, 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:42.240 record number of students. It's fair to say something has 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:43.040 to be done right. 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.639 No, I don't agree with him at all. But you 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:53.440 know big business, the BCA, etc. Unions there for a 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.760 big Australia. They want more immigration, more people here. A 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.600 bigger population means business can sell more things, so they're 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.080 genuinly favor of a big Australia. But look, if you 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.840 have one hundred and sixty thousand houses built last year 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:09.480 and six hundred thousand people come into the country. That 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.919 doesn't quite add up. So and so of course you 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:16.639 need to put a cap or reduce the student intake. 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:20.520 I when Sydney University gets almost half its students from 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:24.240 who are from overseas, almost half. I mean, it won't 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:27.400 be that in the future because Sydney unis so badly 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.600 discredited now because it's you know, allowing the sort of 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:35.119 Jewish hatred to permeate the university. So it's reputation internationally 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:40.439 has been trashed. But generally speaking, you know, you've got 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.480 to cut the number of immigrants and people coming to 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.240 the country because there's a limited housing stock. 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:46.960 Yeah, well, this is it. 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.360 I mean I've said this for a while now. It's 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:53.360 becoming a vote acute, vote driving issue because people are 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:58.320 really struggling and we can't get Australians into households right now. Graham, 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:00.440 what do you make of what big business have said 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:02.199 here a red herring? 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:03.600 Is that a fair enough assessment? 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:04.359 Yeah? 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:08.120 Probably, I think it's somewhere near right. I mean, look, 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:11.480 I just don't think any government has ever properly faced 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:16.200 our housing problem. That's the real difficulty. You know, they 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:18.880 build a few houses, but they've never looked at those 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:22.800 numbers and said, right, we are pathetically behind. We need 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:26.199 to just dramatically build this up. We need to really 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:31.840 do something that is historically much much greater than anything 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.359 we've ever done. Well, I haven't heard that kind of 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.040 language from any politician, Liberal or LB. 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:38.480 No fair enough. 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:40.040 Look, we're almost out of time, but I just want 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:42.639 to go to the UK quickly, where former Prime Minister 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:46.000 Boris Johnson has put his differences with Rishie Sunak aside 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:49.240 joining the campaign in a last ditch attempt attempt to 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:54.000 help the British Prime minister. Michael, do you think that 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:57.640 Rishie Sudak realistically has any chance even with Boris Johnson's help. 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.159 Well, I was in London on Saturday and read all 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:05.480 the papers and talked to a lot of people. Rushi 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:08.600 Sinec has zero chance of winning. 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:13.360 Yeah, and Graham, very quick last comment from you, Well, 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:14.560 I think he's got less than that. 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.399 There you go, we're on the same page that hazy, 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:21.760 quick and easy Graham Richardson, Michael Kroger, thank you so 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:23.680 much for joining us. Great to have you both on 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:27.480 or stay with us. Coming up online Radicalization in Focus 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:30.959 after an alleged stabbing, and as the nation faces a 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:34.919 decade long capability crisis, labor cuts back our deployment to 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:37.879 one of America's biggest military exercises. 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:46.120 So what message does it send to the US Welcome back? Well? 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:48.399 As I mentioned at the start of the show, the 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:51.560 fourteen year old teen who allegedly stabbed a twenty two 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:55.760 year old on campus grounds at a university yesterday allegedly 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:59.280 had plans to carry out a christ Church terror attacks 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:02.879 style on home soil. Now police have since launched an 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:07.280 extremism probe, something that should have been enforced five months 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:11.199 ago when the boy was allegedly pulled into a deradicalization 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:14.200 program under the Department of Community and. 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:15.720 Justice in the first place. 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:18.679 Joining me now to discuss this is Liberal senator and 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:23.159