Speaker 1: Thanks Andrew first tonight to the disturbing new details about
Speaker 1: a fourteen year old boy who police say was influenced
Speaker 1: by a salad bar of ideology and allegedly had plans
Speaker 1: to carry out a church as christ church terror attack
Speaker 1: on home soil. It culminated in the alleged stabbing of
Speaker 1: a student at a university yesterday. I'll have more details
Speaker 1: about this in a moment, but first we need to
Speaker 1: have a frank discussion in this country about the line
Speaker 1: between mental illness and children and online radicalization and what
Speaker 1: we are doing about it to protect kids and of
Speaker 1: course the community.
Speaker 2: It's a line that.
Speaker 1: Authorities say has crossed over as they scramble to deal
Speaker 1: with the threat. Experts say not enough is being done
Speaker 1: when it comes to early intervention of children with significant
Speaker 1: mental health problems. Now we can't tiptoe around the matter
Speaker 1: as our most vulnerable are being targeted online by extremists
Speaker 1: and the warnings have been there for some time. Here
Speaker 1: was AFP Commissioner Rhyese Kershaw addressing National Press Club only
Speaker 1: three months ago.
Speaker 3: Some of our children and other vulnerable people are being
Speaker 3: bewitched online by a cauldron of extremist poison.
Speaker 2: On the open and dark web.
Speaker 1: In this latest incident, a fourteen year old has been
Speaker 1: arrested over the alleged stabbing of a student at the
Speaker 1: University of Sydney. Now we know more details about his history.
Speaker 1: The teenager had allegedly planned to carry out a christ
Speaker 1: Church style terror attack at a school here in Australia.
Speaker 1: He had been charged over those terror plans, but they
Speaker 1: were dismissed in a children's court on mental health grounds
Speaker 1: in February. He was then put into a deradicalization program.
Speaker 1: But less than five months later, the teen allegedly stabbed
Speaker 1: a twenty two year old on campus grounds at the
Speaker 1: university yesterday. And here is a CCTV image of the
Speaker 1: alleged defender in full camouflage a broad brim camouflage hat
Speaker 1: and black boots as he leaves the university following.
Speaker 2: The alleged attack. Now the New South.
Speaker 1: Wales Joint Counter Terrorism Committee has now taken over this investigation. However,
Speaker 1: it has not been declared a terror attack as a
Speaker 1: motive or ideology has not been determined.
Speaker 4: It's also known as the sort of salad bar of ideologies. People.
Speaker 4: A lot of these vulnerable people, they're not linked into
Speaker 4: one particular ideology, they will move as they're exposed to
Speaker 4: different things. You know, it might be a white supremacist,
Speaker 4: neo Nazi, It can easily flip into a religious ideation.
Speaker 1: The Daily Telegraph reports the boy had a close interest
Speaker 1: in controversial commentator Andrew Tait, who has made headlines for
Speaker 1: his extreme views on women and masculinity. Concerns about the
Speaker 1: fourteen year old's behavior were reported by community members to
Speaker 1: government authorities. The Daily Telegraph says he has been homeschooled
Speaker 1: ever since his alleged plans for a terror attack on
Speaker 1: home soil, and it's also now been revealed the teenager
Speaker 1: was last year on a wait list to be assessed
Speaker 1: for autism for his family to be able to access
Speaker 1: further support.
Speaker 2: Putting aside this case.
Speaker 1: What are we doing to help children who have been
Speaker 1: identified as having significant mental health issues and a vulnerable
Speaker 1: to radicalization?
Speaker 2: Our authority is taking it.
Speaker 1: Seriously enough and is there enough support being given? Howard
Speaker 1: Brown is a victims of crime advocate. He had this
Speaker 1: to say today about challenges authorities are facing when it
Speaker 1: comes to early intervention.
Speaker 5: We're not doing enough and one of the reasons why
Speaker 5: we're not doing enough is because civil libertarians say, look,
Speaker 5: you're talking about a fourteen year old child. You cannot
Speaker 5: place that person in custody because you're impinging upon their
Speaker 5: civil rights.
Speaker 4: And look in your custody, you're not going in a slammer.
Speaker 6: You're talking about something.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about in a forensic hospital now. And that's
Speaker 5: the big difference.
Speaker 1: And are we serious about community safety or not and
Speaker 1: the safety of children. It's a problem federal police are
Speaker 1: urgently dealing with. They are now working with autism experts
Speaker 1: to try and stem the number of young people with
Speaker 1: the disorder being radicalized online by violent extremists. The AFP
Speaker 1: would not provide figures on the number of young people
Speaker 1: neurodivergent or not being radicalized, but have seen an increase
Speaker 1: in under sixteens on a path to radicalization or demonstrating
Speaker 1: concerning behaviors since July twenty twenty one, with some planning
Speaker 1: attacks at schools on students and teachers, or looking to
Speaker 1: make explosives or use weapons. In May, a sixteen year
Speaker 1: old Caucasian boy was shot dead by police in Perth after.
Speaker 2: Stabbing a man in a Bunnings car park.
Speaker 1: Police say he had self ready collies to Islam after
Speaker 1: watching extremist content online and was understood to have suffered
Speaker 1: significant mental health issues. He too had taken part in
Speaker 1: a de radicalization program, and despite the allegation that this
Speaker 1: is now the second failed deradicalization in a matter of months,
Speaker 1: the federal government is confident the programs are working.
Speaker 6: We are seeing some really concerning trends in the presentation
Speaker 6: of terrorism in our country, and in fact these are
Speaker 6: global trends. We're seeing a proliferation of ideologies that are
Speaker 6: driving people to violence. We have a strong history in
Speaker 6: our country of being able to prevent terrorist attacks, and
Speaker 6: for every incident of violence we see, there are many
Speaker 6: many that are prevented by our police and our intelligence agencies.
Speaker 6: So I'm confident these programs do have some effect, but
Speaker 6: we need to stay really focused on making sure that
Speaker 6: we're attacking the problem with everything we've got.
Speaker 2: But authorities say it highlights a more dangerous trend.
Speaker 7: Highlights I guess crossover between mental illness and radicalization.
Speaker 8: It's an interesting area.
Speaker 5: It's a challenging area, but we've seen a rise.
Speaker 8: Of incidents in recent times that everyone's aware of it.
Speaker 9: But we need to make sure that we understand what
Speaker 9: our children are looking at online and the information they're digesting.
Speaker 1: Australia has a real challenge on its hands. It's a
Speaker 1: new frontier and mental health is at the center. Sure
Speaker 1: we can't use mental health as an excuse for everything,
Speaker 1: but if children self radicalizing, in other words, they're sitting
Speaker 1: in front of a screen, then there are serious issues there. Well,
Speaker 1: the problems just keep getting worse and worse for the
Speaker 1: bubbling Joe Biden, following that disastrous debate performance where he
Speaker 1: malfunctioned from the moment he walked on stage, legendary journalist
Speaker 1: Carl Bernstein, who broke the Watergate scandal, claims mister Biden
Speaker 1: has suffered as many as twenty mental breakdowns to his
Speaker 1: shaky effort against the former president, that there.
Speaker 10: Have been numerous instances where the President has lost his
Speaker 10: train of thought can't pick it up again. There was
Speaker 10: a fundraiser at which he started at the podium and
Speaker 10: then he became very stiff, according to the people there,
Speaker 10: as if it were almost a kind of rigor mortis.
Speaker 2: Oh dear, not a good look, though.
Speaker 1: I think we have some more recent vision of this
Speaker 1: riga mortis. Joe and Sadly, there's more.
Speaker 8: With the COVID I could be with dealing with everything
Speaker 8: we have to.
Speaker 1: Do with how do you address concerns about your capability
Speaker 1: to handle the toughest job in the world, well into
Speaker 1: your eighties.
Speaker 2: Went I went to South Korea.
Speaker 10: I convinced some to invest billions of dollars here in
Speaker 10: the United States and there.
Speaker 5: Guess what those fabs they call that to build.
Speaker 8: These chips to for the ability.
Speaker 2: For the Oh, it gets worse every time.
Speaker 1: Now, the White House has held a press briefing for
Speaker 1: the first time since that debate.
Speaker 2: One reporter asked a fair question.
Speaker 1: Does President Biden, at eighty one years old, have Alzheimer's
Speaker 1: any form of dementia or degenerative illness that causes these
Speaker 1: sorts of lapses. But according to Kareem Genperre, it can
Speaker 1: all simply be put down too.
Speaker 2: It was a bad Nate. It is not uncommon for
Speaker 2: incumbents to have a bad nate on their first debate.
Speaker 2: Just to take a step back, it was a bad Nate. Oh,
Speaker 2: it was more than just a bad night.
Speaker 1: No spin is going to cover up the fact that
Speaker 1: the president is a very sick, frail old man who
Speaker 1: needs to be in a nursing home. He's been completely exposed.
Speaker 1: Now the White House can no longer save Joe Biden
Speaker 1: from himself.
Speaker 2: He's cooked. A House Democrat lawmaker has.
Speaker 1: Become the first in the party to publicly call for
Speaker 1: President Joe Biden to step down. Lloyd Doggett said Biden
Speaker 1: should make the painful and difficult decision to withdraw. And
Speaker 1: just as Democrats agree they have to replace this guy,
Speaker 1: they are reminded that the vice president is just as bad.
Speaker 1: Here's Kamala Harris's latest campaign video where she starts getting
Speaker 1: jiggy with it with an American actress to try and
Speaker 1: win over black votes.
Speaker 2: So let's sign your mind.
Speaker 11: Oh, Madam VP Harris, I'm worried about the election.
Speaker 8: Women's reproductive rights are on the line, Our.
Speaker 2: Supreme Court is on the line.
Speaker 8: Our basic freedoms are being tested.
Speaker 2: Madam VP.
Speaker 8: I know you've been sure having across the country.
Speaker 3: What are you hearing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, girl, I'm out here in these streets. What she's
Speaker 2: out here on the streets.
Speaker 1: It's shivers up your spine level cringe that Democrats are imploding.
Speaker 2: Oh, and there's more to come.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden will star in his first television interview after
Speaker 1: the debate disaster this weekend, where he will be interviewed
Speaker 1: in the US by ABC host George Stephanopoulos, a presenter
Speaker 1: currently being sued by Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: But guess what. It won't beg live.
Speaker 1: It's pre recorded, and you know what that means. It
Speaker 1: can be manipulated, making the President look all shiny and new.
Speaker 1: Also this hour, Liberal Senator Dave Scharmel will join me
Speaker 1: on this alarming rise in extremism. Also tonight, Senator Fatima
Speaker 1: Payman said to quit the Labor Party within days, the
Speaker 1: Prime Minister all but confirming she's got a foot out
Speaker 1: the door already, and King Charles kicks off Royal Way
Speaker 1: ahead of the UK's mammoth election. We'll cross live to
Speaker 1: London for the latest, but first let's bring in my panel,
Speaker 1: former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and former Labor
Speaker 1: Minister Graham Richardson. Hi to you both, Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us. I want to start here with
Speaker 1: Joe Biden. Michael, how can the White House simply now
Speaker 1: turn it around, try and spin it saying it was
Speaker 1: a bad night.
Speaker 12: Well, look, Fox and Sky here and GB News and
Speaker 12: Sky in Britain are to be congratulated for telling the
Speaker 12: truth about Biden, and shame on those send a left
Speaker 12: and left media organizations who pretended there was for two
Speaker 12: years there was anything wrong with him. But look, Danika,
Speaker 12: a number of us on SKIS, you know, I've been
Speaker 12: predicting that Biden wouldn't be the candidate. I know Rowan
Speaker 12: Dean has been, Peter Kretlin has been, But let me
Speaker 12: be the first to announce that Biden is not going
Speaker 12: to be running. He's going to pull out either before
Speaker 12: most likely before at the convention or if he wins
Speaker 12: the convention within a couple of months. He's not running.
Speaker 12: He's finished. He's out. It's not possible to carry this
Speaker 12: man with pre recorded interviews, et cetera, c between now
Speaker 12: and November, particularly when people work out that if they
Speaker 12: elect him as president, he's president until the twentieth of
Speaker 12: January twenty twenty nine. He's president till January twenty nine,
Speaker 12: and that is horrifying. Look, he's not running. Biden's finished.
Speaker 12: He's going to withdraw. And I know he doesn't know that,
Speaker 12: and Julle doesn't know that yet, but that's what's going
Speaker 12: to happen. You've got two groups in the Democratic Party.
Speaker 12: You've got the Bidens and the people around the Bidens,
Speaker 12: these faceless people who are running America, who knows who
Speaker 12: they are? And then you've got everyone else. So the
Speaker 12: ninety five percent of the Democratic Party biding their tongue
Speaker 12: hoping he withdraws, but you know, the tap stripping and
Speaker 12: he's finished. He's going to withdraw. I think there's only
Speaker 12: a five percent chance that Biden will go on to
Speaker 12: the election. I've never thought he was going to go
Speaker 12: to the election. I've never thought he's going to be
Speaker 12: the candidate. He's got the numbers, he think, says no,
Speaker 12: I'm staying, they can't get rid of him. But he's
Speaker 12: going to go. He's going to withdraw. So it's good
Speaker 12: night to him. And now the next question is who's
Speaker 12: taking over, and that looks likely to be the vice president.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, this is the problem that they've got.
Speaker 1: I mean, who else really is there? We've got Kamala Harris,
Speaker 1: she's out there, Graham Richardson making a.
Speaker 2: Complete mockery of herself.
Speaker 1: As I've just shown, they're desperate, They've got nobody else.
Speaker 1: They're basically stuck now with the vice president. In the
Speaker 1: event that the president does actually withdraw.
Speaker 3: Well, I think the president has to withdraw. I can't
Speaker 3: see how a bloke who doesn't know what room he's
Speaker 3: in can keep being the president of the United States,
Speaker 3: have the most powerful job in the world. Have his
Speaker 3: finger on the button, he doesn't know what button is.
Speaker 3: And I just think it's so sad because if you
Speaker 3: look at his career, he's had to sell a career.
Speaker 3: Biden almost fifty years of public life, and it's remarkable.
Speaker 3: And I think you know, he's made a tremendous contribution.
Speaker 3: But for all of us, there comes a time when
Speaker 3: your contribution is over and his is well and truly put.
Speaker 3: He needs to just go, and the Democrats need to
Speaker 3: get some balls and get rid of him. If he
Speaker 3: won't go, they have to do something dramatic. They can't
Speaker 3: just sit back and allow this dottery old bugger to
Speaker 3: try and pretend he can run America.
Speaker 1: Now your spot on, Absolutely it's time for him to go.
Speaker 1: Stop the embarrassment. It's becoming elder abuse. Now, it's just
Speaker 1: ridiculous to keep the circus going. Look, let's return back
Speaker 1: home now.
Speaker 12: Just before you go on, you just go back to
Speaker 12: who would replaced by it? Well, because this is the
Speaker 12: other half of the equation, and he goes who replaces him, Well,
Speaker 12: the most senior person is the vice president. She's far
Speaker 12: more senior than Gretchen Whitmar, who's a governor. How could
Speaker 12: they argue that Whitmar should get the job above the
Speaker 12: vice president? You can't Gavin Some's unelectable. In California, there
Speaker 12: are two Democrats who are more senior than Harris, and
Speaker 12: they are Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama. But Clinton's I
Speaker 12: think past it, and Michelle Obama's never shown any incollation
Speaker 12: that she wants to run, which leads me to the
Speaker 12: conclusion that shocking show she is and she'll be thrashed
Speaker 12: by Trump. It looks like Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they're stuffed then either way. It's not a
Speaker 2: good situation to.
Speaker 1: Be And look, let's return to home matters now. Because
Speaker 1: a renowned Australian businessman, Dick Smith, has hit out at
Speaker 1: industry operators such as the CSIRO and AEMO, accusing them
Speaker 1: of being misleading and completely biased against nuclear This is
Speaker 1: what he said.
Speaker 13: I believe it's the only answer we've got to reduce
Speaker 13: carbon in the atmosphere. I don't think it's possible to
Speaker 13: do it right throughout the world without using nuclear You've
Speaker 13: got to use everything you've got. I'm pro renewables, but
Speaker 13: renewables alone and Bacty's storage will be phenomenally expensive.
Speaker 1: Graham, why won't Labour even consider the nuclear objectively as
Speaker 1: what dick Smith has called for here?
Speaker 2: Because we're stuck.
Speaker 3: We're stuck in an old ideology that we've held dear
Speaker 3: to our hearts for years and years, and we just
Speaker 3: don't know how to say, well, might have been applicable
Speaker 3: twenty years ago, but it's a load of crap now,
Speaker 3: let's get rid of it. We just don't seem to
Speaker 3: know how to do it. And I'm hoping, really hoping
Speaker 3: that Albo gathers himself and stands up in the next
Speaker 3: few week months and just says it's finished. We're out,
Speaker 3: because really we are looking very, very very old when
Speaker 3: it comes to policy.
Speaker 1: Well, that's an interesting insight then, from you, Graham. As
Speaker 1: a former labor minister, Michael, You've got to say Dick
Speaker 1: Smith is making a fair point here. Labour's argument that
Speaker 1: nuclear power would be too expensive yet not adding into
Speaker 1: the conversation the cost of their so called green dream.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Look, Graham's right. Labour have had an idea logical objection
Speaker 12: to the mining industry ever since I was at university
Speaker 12: from nineteen to seventy five onwards. They hate the mining companies.
Speaker 12: They've just they've just got this blinkered view of any
Speaker 12: anything that's taken out of the ground. It's this sort
Speaker 12: of caveman view of the world as great basically as theirs.
Speaker 12: And you know, I've just come back from Europe France
Speaker 12: to get seventy percent of the of the energy from
Speaker 12: electricity from nuclear power. The whole world's basically increasing their
Speaker 12: store of nuclear power, and Australia looks very backward when
Speaker 12: we're trying to rely on wind and solar when nuclear
Speaker 12: basically is the fuel of the future. And so yeah,
Speaker 12: I mean, will I albow do that, Graham? I don't
Speaker 12: think so. But you're right, they're looking very bad.
Speaker 3: I got to remember, Michael, we're not relying on wind
Speaker 3: and solar, We're still relying on coal. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: the real tragedy. Most of the power in Australia can't
Speaker 3: mention that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, Yeah, the bad word coal. But you're right.
Speaker 1: I mean the energy transition is happening completely back to front.
Speaker 1: We're racing now to shut down these coal fired power plants.
Speaker 1: No surprises, the life of Arah Ring has been extended.
Speaker 1: I mean, what does that tell you that we're desperate
Speaker 1: to keep the lights on in this country now? Look,
Speaker 1: businesses have come out today warning the government's cap on
Speaker 1: foreign students could cripple the country's higher education sector and
Speaker 1: deliver a lasting blow to the economy. That's according to
Speaker 1: the Business Council of Australia chief brand Black. He said
Speaker 1: that international students were being used as a red herring
Speaker 1: in the housing affordability debate.
Speaker 2: Michael, do you.
Speaker 1: Agree with this and THEE We've got record migration numbers,
Speaker 1: record number of students. It's fair to say something has
Speaker 1: to be done right.
Speaker 12: No, I don't agree with him at all. But you
Speaker 12: know big business, the BCA, etc. Unions there for a
Speaker 12: big Australia. They want more immigration, more people here. A
Speaker 12: bigger population means business can sell more things, so they're
Speaker 12: genuinly favor of a big Australia. But look, if you
Speaker 12: have one hundred and sixty thousand houses built last year
Speaker 12: and six hundred thousand people come into the country. That
Speaker 12: doesn't quite add up. So and so of course you
Speaker 12: need to put a cap or reduce the student intake.
Speaker 12: I when Sydney University gets almost half its students from
Speaker 12: who are from overseas, almost half. I mean, it won't
Speaker 12: be that in the future because Sydney unis so badly
Speaker 12: discredited now because it's you know, allowing the sort of
Speaker 12: Jewish hatred to permeate the university. So it's reputation internationally
Speaker 12: has been trashed. But generally speaking, you know, you've got
Speaker 12: to cut the number of immigrants and people coming to
Speaker 12: the country because there's a limited housing stock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this is it.
Speaker 1: I mean I've said this for a while now. It's
Speaker 1: becoming a vote acute, vote driving issue because people are
Speaker 1: really struggling and we can't get Australians into households right now. Graham,
Speaker 1: what do you make of what big business have said
Speaker 1: here a red herring?
Speaker 2: Is that a fair enough assessment?
Speaker 14: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Probably, I think it's somewhere near right. I mean, look,
Speaker 3: I just don't think any government has ever properly faced
Speaker 3: our housing problem. That's the real difficulty. You know, they
Speaker 3: build a few houses, but they've never looked at those
Speaker 3: numbers and said, right, we are pathetically behind. We need
Speaker 3: to just dramatically build this up. We need to really
Speaker 3: do something that is historically much much greater than anything
Speaker 3: we've ever done. Well, I haven't heard that kind of
Speaker 3: language from any politician, Liberal or LB.
Speaker 2: No fair enough.
Speaker 1: Look, we're almost out of time, but I just want
Speaker 1: to go to the UK quickly, where former Prime Minister
Speaker 1: Boris Johnson has put his differences with Rishie Sunak aside
Speaker 1: joining the campaign in a last ditch attempt attempt to
Speaker 1: help the British Prime minister. Michael, do you think that
Speaker 1: Rishie Sudak realistically has any chance even with Boris Johnson's help.
Speaker 12: Well, I was in London on Saturday and read all
Speaker 12: the papers and talked to a lot of people. Rushi
Speaker 12: Sinec has zero chance of winning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Graham, very quick last comment from you, Well,
Speaker 2: I think he's got less than that.
Speaker 1: There you go, we're on the same page that hazy,
Speaker 1: quick and easy Graham Richardson, Michael Kroger, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us. Great to have you both on
Speaker 1: or stay with us. Coming up online Radicalization in Focus
Speaker 1: after an alleged stabbing, and as the nation faces a
Speaker 1: decade long capability crisis, labor cuts back our deployment to
Speaker 1: one of America's biggest military exercises.
Speaker 2: So what message does it send to the US Welcome back? Well?
Speaker 1: As I mentioned at the start of the show, the
Speaker 1: fourteen year old teen who allegedly stabbed a twenty two
Speaker 1: year old on campus grounds at a university yesterday allegedly
Speaker 1: had plans to carry out a christ Church terror attacks
Speaker 1: style on home soil. Now police have since launched an
Speaker 1: extremism probe, something that should have been enforced five months
Speaker 1: ago when the boy was allegedly pulled into a deradicalization
Speaker 1: program under the Department of Community and.
Speaker 2: Justice in the first place.
Speaker 1: Joining me now to discuss this is Liberal senator and
Speaker 1: former Ambassador to Israel Dave Sharma. Dave, Look, this is
Speaker 1: obviously a very concerning alleged incident. Putting that aside, though,
Speaker 1: we've seen a number of teenagers being radicalized online, and
Speaker 1: there's also been a key theme of mental health. What
Speaker 1: is going on here? Do you think and are we
Speaker 1: even close to solving it?
Speaker 15: Look, there's a lot of things going on. It has
Speaker 15: been incredibly worryington. Eco mean, last week we saw a
Speaker 15: teenager as well arrested outside the officers of a state
Speaker 15: labor MP who'd made a number of threatening from and
Speaker 15: published a whole manifesto directed to a number of politicians.
Speaker 15: This person was intercepted by police and thankfully didn't do
Speaker 15: any harm. But we're seeing a growing number of these,
Speaker 15: and I do worry that there's a sort of an
Speaker 15: element of people getting inspired and incited by the examples
Speaker 15: that they're seeing elsewhere and encouraged to replicate these sorts
Speaker 15: of these sorts of attacks. Clearly there's mental health elements
Speaker 15: to it as well, and then we saw that with
Speaker 15: the terrible stabbing at the Westfeld Bond dijunction some months
Speaker 15: ago as well, where someone who's facing significant mental health
Speaker 15: issues and was not being properly seen to or addressed
Speaker 15: seemed to be the cause of that incident. But it's look,
Speaker 15: I think we've got to put every ounce of effort
Speaker 15: into addressing not only the mental health elements of it,
Speaker 15: but the policing and law enforcement elements of it as well,
Speaker 15: and I think making sure that we send as strong
Speaker 15: a message as we can that this sort of behavior
Speaker 15: is not acceptable in civilized society and it will be
Speaker 15: dealt with the full force of the law.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And we've heard from Mike Burgers not too long
Speaker 1: ago emphasizing the growing threat of extremism within this country.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the government is doing enough to
Speaker 1: help actually combat that threat?
Speaker 15: Look, I think this is a difficult task. I mean,
Speaker 15: the government needs to be obviously responding to the intelligence assessments,
Speaker 15: and Mike Burgess and others in the Australian Federal Police
Speaker 15: and the State police, law enforcement and law enforcement services
Speaker 15: will be providing that. But I'm also conscious that, Look,
Speaker 15: the police and our intelligence services have limited resources and
Speaker 15: they always need to focus on the highest profile threats.
Speaker 15: And at the moment we're dealing with cyber attacks and
Speaker 15: cyber espionage happening at an unprecedented scale, attempts at foreign
Speaker 15: interference with our political and democratic system of government, which
Speaker 15: we're dealing with a non precedented scale, more traditional espionage
Speaker 15: and intelligence gathering efforts. Our law enforcement and intelligence agencies
Speaker 15: I know are stretched and under the pump right now.
Speaker 15: I think there could well be a case so that
Speaker 15: we need to be increasing the resources that we devote
Speaker 15: to these issues. If our existing resources are not enough
Speaker 15: to get on top of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, it's a certainly a worry regardless. Now look,
Speaker 1: I want to show you an image sent to two
Speaker 1: GB radio taken on the main street of Woggle Wogga.
Speaker 1: The Israeli Prime Minister was recently targeted.
Speaker 2: In a vile shop window poster.
Speaker 1: There, Benjamin Ettna, who's face plastered with the most degrading
Speaker 1: label at the top that we can't show you the
Speaker 1: word as it is disrespectful.
Speaker 2: Dave, what's your response to this?
Speaker 1: I mean children would walk past this, mums and dads
Speaker 1: in the middle of Woggle Wogger.
Speaker 15: I think it's shocking. I mean I learned about this
Speaker 15: from Michael McCormack, who's the Member for Riverina National's Member
Speaker 15: of Parliament who covers that area, and he was explaining
Speaker 15: it to me earlier in parliament this week and showing
Speaker 15: me some of the podos he's seen. Apparently this person
Speaker 15: sort of changes their display once a week, but it's
Speaker 15: equally disturbing and vile, and I just don't think this
Speaker 15: sort of material has a place in our shop windows.
Speaker 15: I think not only is it sort of graphic and extreme,
Speaker 15: but it's also stoking social division and social tension. I
Speaker 15: don't think this is a sort of conversations we should
Speaker 15: be having in on the public streets, on the main
Speaker 15: street of Waga, for instance. I think it's a terrible
Speaker 15: use of this person's real estate. I understand it's a
Speaker 15: business down there who has a track record of doing this,
Speaker 15: a marketing business of all things. But I think it
Speaker 15: needs to be called out and criticized as being anti
Speaker 15: social behavior, if not unlawful.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's just disgraceful. I can't imagine children seeing that,
Speaker 2: you know, as they walk past. Its terrible.
Speaker 1: Now, still on Israel, there are reports that there is
Speaker 1: a deepening rift between Benjamin etna who and his own
Speaker 1: troops over the future of Gaza, with Israeli military leaders
Speaker 1: now urging a cease fire. Dave, look, this is an
Speaker 1: interesting intervention. What does this mean now for Benjamin Netanyahu
Speaker 1: and more broadly for the conflict.
Speaker 15: Well, Israel has been struggling with two war aims, or
Speaker 15: seeking to achieve two warims since the outbreak of this conflict.
Speaker 15: One is the release of all the hostages and the
Speaker 15: return of the hostages that are no longer alive. Two
Speaker 15: is the elimination of Hamas as a military force, and
Speaker 15: at times those objectives are in tension with one another,
Speaker 15: and we're seeing that now. Does securing the release of
Speaker 15: the hostages? Does that mean that Hermas remains secure in place? Conversely,
Speaker 15: does destroying Hamas also mean that you give up hope
Speaker 15: on the hostages? And there's strong political constituencies for both
Speaker 15: in Israel. There's strong camps within the armed forces arguing
Speaker 15: for both propositions, and indeed within the government. Israel's a
Speaker 15: vibrant democratic society with a plurality of opinion, and these
Speaker 15: opinions are being played out now. And I think it's
Speaker 15: a difficult dilemma that any government has to deal with.
Speaker 15: Do they do everything they can to secure the release
Speaker 15: of the hostages, knowing that that might mean Hermas remains
Speaker 15: as a military force able to launch similar attacks again,
Speaker 15: or do they commit to finishing the job with Hamas,
Speaker 15: meaning that it might end up costing them the lives
Speaker 15: of the remaining hostages. This is the terrible dilemma they're
Speaker 15: faced with, and I mean, frankly, it's one they shouldn't
Speaker 15: have to be dealing with, because holding and taking of hostages,
Speaker 15: which I mus has done is a clear and manifest
Speaker 15: war crime.
Speaker 1: It absolutely is, but it's certainly a difficult dilemma. As
Speaker 1: you said, there's no winners out of both of those
Speaker 1: dilemmas facing the government there. Dave Shama really appreciate your insights.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us this evening.
Speaker 15: Thanks so much, Sanika.
Speaker 1: Well labor has dramatically scaled back Australia's participation in the
Speaker 1: biennial Rim of the Pacific War Games off Hawaii after
Speaker 1: years of under investment in the defense force. The Australian
Speaker 1: reports the nation now faces a decade long capability crisis.
Speaker 1: Joining me is Strategic Analysis Australia Director Michael Schuebridge.
Speaker 2: Michael, good to see you.
Speaker 1: Tell us firstly, why is Australia's participation in this event
Speaker 1: so important in the first place.
Speaker 8: Well, Denika, the Rimpack Exercise is held every two years.
Speaker 8: It's the biggest international exercise in our region that the
Speaker 8: Americans hold, and its primary purpose is to have the
Speaker 8: regional military's US allies and partners work together demonstrate capacity
Speaker 8: and so it's a key part of deterring China. Its
Speaker 8: theme this year is Partners Integrated and Prepared, which is
Speaker 8: almost black comedy. When you look at the awful shrinking
Speaker 8: Australian military contribution, we look like a partner who is
Speaker 8: desperately unprepared.
Speaker 2: Well, Labour's now dramatically scaled back. It's involvement.
Speaker 1: What message does that send to our allies like the US.
Speaker 8: Well, Di Nigra tells them Australia's been talking a big game,
Speaker 8: but we're not delivering. And as Texans say, we look
Speaker 8: all at no ranch and you've got to think that's
Speaker 8: a really bad message when we're asking the Americans to
Speaker 8: hand over their nuclear submarine technology Crown Jewels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure the US wouldn't be impressed by this
Speaker 1: latest development. And of course, Michael, this follows years of
Speaker 1: under investment. Has our defense sector been left behind by
Speaker 1: this government?
Speaker 8: Well, the sad thing is there's a fire hose of
Speaker 8: taxpayer money going into the defense organization over the next
Speaker 8: ten years, seven hundred and sixty five billion dollars. But
Speaker 8: our military is going to look like a slow motion
Speaker 8: car crash over those ten years because Richard Miles, pat
Speaker 8: Conroy and the defense bureaucrats tell us they can't do
Speaker 8: any thing quickly, which is complete nonsense. We could have
Speaker 8: a much more powerful military over the next two, three
Speaker 8: and five years. But that would cause that would mean
Speaker 8: the Defense organization and the government would have to change
Speaker 8: some of their plans.
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating development. Now.
Speaker 1: This, of course comes after revelations that Anthony Alberzi has
Speaker 1: ditched his Washington visit for the seventy fifth NATO summit.
Speaker 1: The Prime Minister was expected, of course, to meet his
Speaker 1: Indo Pacific counterparts. Instead, the Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister,
Speaker 1: Richard Miles will take his place.
Speaker 2: Here was the Prime Minister defending his decision.
Speaker 7: I'm not going because we're not members of NATO.
Speaker 8: You went to the last two previous meetings. I went
Speaker 8: to the last two and said they were important, and
Speaker 8: they were and it is changed your mind. Why have
Speaker 8: you changed your mind?
Speaker 4: I haven't changed my mind.
Speaker 2: Did you never say you were going to go?
Speaker 1: No, So we're not members of NATO, so I'm not going.
Speaker 1: Michael has had a good enough excuse.
Speaker 14: No.
Speaker 8: So what do we hear from the government. We hear
Speaker 8: that we need to focus on our region. So that's
Speaker 8: why we can't help secure the shipping lanes in the
Speaker 8: Red Sea. We need to focus on our region. So
Speaker 8: that's why we won't equip the Ukrainians with amazing Australian
Speaker 8: defense technology our companies make we hear it now that
Speaker 8: we can't send a decent military contribution to the major
Speaker 8: regional exercise of our US Ally. I think the Prime
Speaker 8: Minister isn't going because the cupboard is bear when it
Speaker 8: comes to our military and he's not willing to prioritize
Speaker 8: the sensible things, so he doesn't want to be embarrassed
Speaker 8: in front of his US and NATO colleagues.
Speaker 1: That's a really interesting point you raise. Do you think overall, though,
Speaker 1: is in our nation's best interest for the Prime Minister
Speaker 1: to attend the summit?
Speaker 8: Absolutely, And what he could do is something that the
Speaker 8: government has continued to fail to do. He could announce
Speaker 8: that the Australian military is being equipped with long range
Speaker 8: uncrued submarines made right here in Australia, that the Australian
Speaker 8: military is getting drone and counter drone systems made right
Speaker 8: here in Australia, and that those same systems are being
Speaker 8: supplied to the Ukrainians. He could do those things and
Speaker 8: that would divert some of this fire hose of wasted
Speaker 8: public money that we're apparently spending while we wait for
Speaker 8: nuclear submarines a decade away.
Speaker 1: I just feel like we're the laughing stock on a
Speaker 1: hunter world scale at the moment. Michael Schubridge, good to
Speaker 1: speak with you. Thank you so much for your time
Speaker 1: this evening. Well coming up, Fatima Payment all but confirmed
Speaker 1: to be on her way out of the Labor Party.
Speaker 1: I'll speak to my political panel about this and more next.
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
Speaker 1: Fatima Payment is on the brink of leaving the Labor
Speaker 1: Party following her suspension.
Speaker 2: So the saga just rolls on.
Speaker 1: The Sydney Morning Herald report that the exiled Labor Senator
Speaker 1: is taking advice on her next steps from controversial election
Speaker 1: strategist Glenn Drury, a political operative known as the preference
Speaker 1: Whisperer for his success in securing seats for Upper House
Speaker 1: Independence and Minor Party candidates. Payman's decision to work with
Speaker 1: Dury is the strongest signal yet she intends to leave
Speaker 1: the Labor Party, even the PM has all but admitted Payment.
Speaker 2: Has got a foot out the door already.
Speaker 7: Both Senator Payment, of course, has made a decision to
Speaker 7: place herself outside the Labor Party. That's a decision that
Speaker 7: she made. I expect further announcements in coming days which
Speaker 7: will explain exactly what the strategy has been over now
Speaker 7: more than a month.
Speaker 2: Let's bring in my panel now, Labor MP Daniel Molino
Speaker 2: and Senator James McGrath.
Speaker 1: Hi to you both. Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 1: Daniel will start with you. We've heard there has been
Speaker 1: Labor in fighting over fatima payment.
Speaker 2: What's the sentiment within the party room?
Speaker 9: Well, Hi Danika and hi James. So look, there's been
Speaker 9: a lot of speculation about this, but what I would
Speaker 9: say is what we know is that Fatima has crossed
Speaker 9: the floor on one occasion. Fatima has been given every
Speaker 9: opportunity to reconsider her position. But yesterday in caucus, the
Speaker 9: Prime Minister put a very clear and strong position, which
Speaker 9: is that Fatima really needs to make the decision to
Speaker 9: abide by caucus's position on this very important issue, and
Speaker 9: the choice is very stark for her. She can come
Speaker 9: back into caucus if she decides to abide by Labour's
Speaker 9: position and vote with Labor, and if not, then she'll
Speaker 9: be remaining outside of caucus indefinitely. And the PM put
Speaker 9: that position to caucus. It was voted on and unanimously supported,
Speaker 9: and it was unanimously supported without any discussion. So there's
Speaker 9: a really strong position within the caucus on this. I
Speaker 9: would just say at a personal level, I know that
Speaker 9: Fatima is grappling with what for her is a very
Speaker 9: important issue and what's a very complex issue. And look,
Speaker 9: I hope that she takes the opportunity over the next
Speaker 9: few days and weeks to make the decision to come
Speaker 9: back into the caucus and abide by its position.
Speaker 1: But I mean, she's now apparently talking to the so
Speaker 1: called preference whisper, which means she's got one foot out
Speaker 1: the door, Daniel, So why won't the Prime Minister just
Speaker 1: beat her to it, go ahead and expel her.
Speaker 9: Well, I think he's taking the right position, and this
Speaker 9: was a position, as I said, which was unanimously supported,
Speaker 9: which is that she's crossed the floor, and so that's
Speaker 9: instigated a discussion where it's been made crystal clear to
Speaker 9: her that in order for her to sit in caucus,
Speaker 9: she needs to make a commitment to abide by the
Speaker 9: Labor Party's position on this very important issue. So she
Speaker 9: hasn't done that yet, and I think the way that
Speaker 9: the Prime Minister has suggested moving forward on this is
Speaker 9: the right one, James.
Speaker 1: As we just mentioned, it's been reported that she's speaking
Speaker 1: to the so called preference whisperer Glenn Jury about this.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Fatima Payman will walk away from
Speaker 1: Labor soon?
Speaker 14: Well, we've got a weak prime minister. And if you
Speaker 14: dealt with this issue a week ago instead of wibblewobbling
Speaker 14: all the time, because we all know what the Labor
Speaker 14: Party's rules are. They've got a binding caucus and if
Speaker 14: you cross the floor, you get kicked out. Look at Keating,
Speaker 14: look at Hawk, look at those Labor lumeries. We've got
Speaker 14: this weak prime minister, and we've got this Labor senator,
Speaker 14: Labour senator who is just playing with the Prime Minister
Speaker 14: because he's weak on this. And if you can't rule
Speaker 14: your own party and you can't make decisions to benefit
Speaker 14: your own party, then what surprimeists running this country?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well this is the thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's been so much dilly dallying from both
Speaker 1: Fatima payment and Anthony Alberesi. One's not making a decision here.
Speaker 1: So here we are still at the end of the
Speaker 1: week almost and nothing has been done about it. Look,
Speaker 1: I want to ask about this speculation of an early election,
Speaker 1: which is growing since the Anthony Albanesi is reportedly mulling
Speaker 1: a reshuffle of cabinet members Home Affairs Minister Claire O'Neill
Speaker 1: and Immigration Minister Andrew Giles.
Speaker 2: A tip to be moved, Daniel, a possible reshuffle of
Speaker 2: your comrades. How do you feel about it?
Speaker 13: Oh?
Speaker 9: Well, look, I think there's nothing that the commentariat in
Speaker 9: Australia loves more than early election speculation. But I must
Speaker 9: say that I'd actually think it'd be better if we
Speaker 9: had longer terms. I think the PM might have said
Speaker 9: something to similar effect, but I think four year terms
Speaker 9: would be better for our federal political system. I was
Speaker 9: a state MP for a term in Victorian. It works
Speaker 9: well in all the states, so I just start with
Speaker 9: that proposition. But look, in terms of early election, look,
Speaker 9: every indication I get is that this government is putting
Speaker 9: all of its efforts into bedding down all of the
Speaker 9: many measures that just came in on one July to
Speaker 9: help people deal with a cost of living and a
Speaker 9: range of other really important measures dealing with the future
Speaker 9: made in Australia, the Clean Energy Transition and so many
Speaker 9: other measures. I mean, as for a possible reshuffle, well,
Speaker 9: you know we've had the same ministry line up for
Speaker 9: over two years now, which is actually incredibly stable, particularly
Speaker 9: compared with what we had for the decade before that,
Speaker 9: where we had ministers constantly shuffling in and out of
Speaker 9: portfolios to the great detriment of policy. So look, there
Speaker 9: may or may not be a reshuffle. Obviously way above
Speaker 9: my pay grade. But look we've had a lot of
Speaker 9: stability in the ministry so far and that's been very effective.
Speaker 1: James, are you taking this as a firm sign that
Speaker 1: an early election is on the cards?
Speaker 14: Look, the opposition is ready. We want an early election
Speaker 14: because we want to get rid of this weak prime
Speaker 14: minist We want to get rid of this government who
Speaker 14: have allowed our borders to be softened and have allowed
Speaker 14: a cost of living crisis to take over this country.
Speaker 14: But about two hundred meters from where I'm sitting, there's
Speaker 14: a terrible function on tonight, and it's the Midwinter Ball,
Speaker 14: and you couldn't get me there if you paid me
Speaker 14: to go, or bought me an island the Pacific. It
Speaker 14: is full of sanctimonious left wingers. But I'm going to
Speaker 14: tell you what. That room tonight is full of gossip
Speaker 14: and in trigue about two things. The reshuffle, because everybody's
Speaker 14: looking everyone up and down and going hey, or she's
Speaker 14: out here or she's in. But also about the early election.
Speaker 14: There's a lot of dates flying around and if the
Speaker 14: Prime Minister was strong, he'd come out and say nope,
Speaker 14: the election is definitely going to be held next year,
Speaker 14: and he hasn't done that. So that's why the speculation
Speaker 14: is swirling around this building.
Speaker 2: My gossip inside the midwinter ball. There you go.
Speaker 1: Now, in an unlikely alliance, the Greens have thrown their
Speaker 1: support behind Peter Dutton's supermarket the vestiture proposal, with the
Speaker 1: party's Economic Justice spokesman Nick McKim labeling Labor as isolated
Speaker 1: in its refusal to support the plan. James, it's been
Speaker 1: reported that the coalition is split over this.
Speaker 2: Has a rift emerged.
Speaker 14: Now a rift, tap hasn't emerged. The party room was
Speaker 14: quite strong in adopting this policy yesterday. And this is
Speaker 14: a policy about ensuring that we deal with the cost
Speaker 14: of living crisis in Australia. It's about ensuring that families
Speaker 14: can have access to fresh food and vegies that's affordable.
Speaker 14: It's also about ensuring that the farmers and suppliers can
Speaker 14: actually get a good price, and that is a good
Speaker 14: thing and I think all parties should be supporting this now.
Speaker 1: Earlier this week we showed you the level of tolerance
Speaker 1: that the Greens Party has shown towards the disgraceful defacing
Speaker 1: of our war memorials in Canberra, move that I and
Speaker 1: many others deeply condemned. It's absolutely disrespectful to our veterans
Speaker 1: and our troops. Now the Coalition is trying to get
Speaker 1: a motion passed in the House of Representatives condemning the vandals. Daniel,
Speaker 1: what's your reaction to the way the Greens have responded
Speaker 1: to this?
Speaker 9: Well, look, this might be an issue where James and
Speaker 9: I agree.
Speaker 14: I suspect it will be.
Speaker 9: Look, I find the position of the Greens on this indefensible.
Speaker 9: I find it amusing, but then again not altogether surprising,
Speaker 9: because the Greens have taken an incredibly cynical, opportunistic political
Speaker 9: stance on what's a very difficult, complex issue when it
Speaker 9: comes to the Middle East and Gaza. So the Greens
Speaker 9: aren't willing to vote on a motion that is condemning
Speaker 9: something that I think the vast majority of people in
Speaker 9: Australia would find a completely unjustifiable and unacceptable. It's pure politics, frankly,
Speaker 9: and we're seeing this play out in a whole range
Speaker 9: of areas around the country, including in my electorate where
Speaker 9: my office has been defaced half a dozen times. The
Speaker 9: windows were smashed on one occasion and we had to
Speaker 9: close for two weeks. The Greens Party, quite often, all
Speaker 9: too often, has been egging these kinds of acts on.
Speaker 9: We saw a debate in the House tonight on emotion
Speaker 9: where the Liberal Party and the Labor Party didn't agree,
Speaker 9: but there were thoughtful speeches on both sides. I thought
Speaker 9: Julie and Lisa gave a very thoughtful speech on the
Speaker 9: opposition side. On our side, Edge Husey gave up his
Speaker 9: time for Josh Burns, something which was noted by speakers
Speaker 9: on the other side. But then the Greens, in their
Speaker 9: contribution on that motion gave what I thought was a
Speaker 9: highly divisive and really an appropriate speech. So this to
Speaker 9: me is just one more reflection of the Greens taking
Speaker 9: a highly inappropriate and divisive attitude towards this broader issue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agreed James were almost od time.
Speaker 2: But what's your response.
Speaker 14: The Greens are morally bankrupt. They are defiling our democracy
Speaker 14: by refusing to condemn the desecration of a sacred memorial
Speaker 14: memorial to the men and women who have died defending
Speaker 14: the dream that is Australia. They are just horrible, horrible,
Speaker 14: horrible people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's something the three of us all agree on.
Speaker 1: Daniel Molino, James McGrath, good to have you both on.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us on the show
Speaker 1: this evening. Well after the break, we'll cross live to
Speaker 1: London as Royal Week officially kicks off.
Speaker 2: We'll take a look at the King and Queen's latest
Speaker 2: movements all over in the UK.
Speaker 1: It's not just General election week, Royal Week is underway.
Speaker 1: King Charles and Queen Camilla have landed in Scotland for
Speaker 1: a week of celebrations alongside.
Speaker 2: Other members of the royal family.
Speaker 1: Each year, the Monarch spends a week visiting various regions
Speaker 1: in Scotland and hosting thousands at the Palace of Hollywood
Speaker 1: House in recognition of their good work. Shortly after the celebrations,
Speaker 1: the Monarch will be heading back to meet the Yuly
Speaker 1: elected Prime Minister at Buckingham Palace, and of course the Brits.
Speaker 2: Head to the polls tomorrow.
Speaker 1: From all, let's bring in royal expert Russell Myers from
Speaker 1: the Daily Mirror. Russell, always good to speak with you.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us. What's on the agenda
Speaker 1: today in Scotland?
Speaker 2: And one are the royal faces expected to see there?
Speaker 11: Well, Hi, Denika, great to see you again. Well, it's
Speaker 11: such a busy week for the royal family this week,
Speaker 11: and you know King Charles's relentless schedule is continuing. I
Speaker 11: mean he's had, of course so much to deal with
Speaker 11: with his cancer treatment, but throwing himself back into work
Speaker 11: and the Royals are up in Scotland this week. But
Speaker 11: it's cut short, of course, as you mentioned the general
Speaker 11: election happening in the UK on Thursday. But today is
Speaker 11: about a celebration to welcome Camilla, the Queen and the
Speaker 11: Duke of Edinburgh Prince Edward to the Order of the
Speaker 11: This or one of the oldest orders of nobility, and
Speaker 11: a big celebration at Saint Giles Cathedral, the site where
Speaker 11: the late Queen lay in state in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: And I think this is sort of a mark of.
Speaker 11: Respect for not only Prince Edward's work for the Royal
Speaker 11: family but also for public service and of.
Speaker 2: Course the Queen as well.
Speaker 11: So you know, a big, big celebration for the royals
Speaker 11: and the people of Scotland. Welcomen this week.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a fantastic week, a busy week
Speaker 1: at that. Now, Russell, we know that the King and
Speaker 1: Queen are set to visit Australia later this year, but
Speaker 1: there are talks on a scale back of the tour
Speaker 1: on doctors' orders.
Speaker 2: Do you think it could be canceled completely?
Speaker 11: No, I want to sor to totally allay your fears completely,
Speaker 11: because certainly they've got the go ahead for the King
Speaker 11: and Queen to come down Under in October. It's going
Speaker 11: to be a very very important tour. It's been something
Speaker 11: that's been in the planning for quite a long time.
Speaker 11: But of course, as I mentioned, King Charless had such
Speaker 11: a lot to deal with with his cancer treatment that
Speaker 11: is still ongoing. But the leg of the tour that
Speaker 11: has been shelved will be New Zealand, and I think that,
Speaker 11: you know, comes a bit of a sadness for the
Speaker 11: King Queen not to get to see the Kiweds. However,
Speaker 11: there will be a full schedule of events for it
Speaker 11: will no doubt be lasting about just about a week.
Speaker 11: In Australia. All the states and territories are clambering at
Speaker 11: the moment, I understand to try and welcome the Royals,
Speaker 11: and I think it's going to be a fantastic spectacle.
Speaker 11: Hopefully I'm going to get on the plane to come
Speaker 11: and see you guys as well.
Speaker 2: Oh we hope so.
Speaker 1: Russell Meyer is always good to see you, but great
Speaker 1: to hear that they're still planning to come. And you're right,
Speaker 1: the states are jostling. We're almost out of time though,
Speaker 1: but the King and Queen are also set for a
Speaker 1: visit to the Channel Islands later this month.
Speaker 2: Quite a busy schedule for the.
Speaker 11: Pair, Yeah, absolutely huge, usually busy schedule. This summer program
Speaker 11: is in full swing and King and Queen getting down
Speaker 11: to Jersey and Goernsey, and I think this is part
Speaker 11: of the King's program to try and get out and
Speaker 11: see as many people and make up for lost time.
Speaker 11: I think that's it gives you a real good indication
Speaker 11: of how Charles is feeling for the future.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it certainly does.
Speaker 1: But it is good to say though that, given his
Speaker 1: full packed, busy schedule just a month after that cancer diagnosis,
Speaker 1: to see him back out there is absolutely fantastic. Russell Myers,
Speaker 1: really appreciate your time. Thank you so much for joining
Speaker 1: us on the program this evening, and that's all we've
Speaker 1: got time for today. Thank you for your company here
Speaker 1: on Shari. I'll be back again tomorrow night at eight
Speaker 1: pm to do it all again. In the meantime, though,
Speaker 1: stay tuned because Paul Murray is up next.