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It turns out that Troy 11 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: Penell lasts another season or two after that, and at 12 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: some point either he decided to retire from the top 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: level of the game or he was moved on one 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: or the other. The other interest that he had, apart 15 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: from women other than his wife, was racing and race horses. 16 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: They basically said that he had favored the Bulldogs and 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,319 Speaker 1: that had the free Kicks account been reversed, that they 18 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,639 Speaker 1: might well have won the game. I'm Andrew Rule. This 19 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: is Life and Crimes. As we go to air with 20 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: this story, it's already been out there for quite a 21 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: while that a former AFL umpire, quite a distinguished and 22 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: experienced umpire, called Troy Panell had gone missing. Troy Penell 23 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: was a Western suburban umpire as a youngster, and in 24 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 1: two thousand and five, against the advice of those people 25 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: who knew him best out in the Western suburbs at 26 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: the old Footscray District League, as it was against their advice, 27 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: the AFL recruited him as an AFL umpire and he 28 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: went on to umpire for thirteen years until twenty eighteen, 29 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: and in that time he was regarded, I think in 30 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: many ways a pretty good umpire, pretty quick and experience seasoned, 31 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: all that good stuff. But he did have a few falls. 32 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: From Grayson is one spectacular one which is perhaps interesting 33 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: in the context of what happened later. In twenty sixteen, 34 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: Troy Penell umpired a game at Docklands between the team 35 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: that he actually supports, that would be the Western Bulldogs 36 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: and the Adelaide Crows, who come from another state and 37 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: have very little to do with Melbourne and don't have 38 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: a lot of followers in Melbourne, but they do have 39 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: a lot of followers in Adelaide where they're from. And 40 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: in this game, of course we have you know, two 41 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: umpires in this game. Troy Penell awarded seventeen free kicks 42 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: to the Western Bulldogs and one to the Adelaide Crows. Now, 43 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: this was a very tight game and in fact, at 44 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: one point towards the full time siren just minutes out, 45 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: the Bulldogs I think were only two points ahead. Adelaide 46 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: were within one kick of winning the game. And then 47 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: along came a magic free for the Bulldogs and bang 48 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: bang couple of quick goals and ultimately the Bulldogs won 49 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: by fifteen points. Now, that win which was back in 50 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: May of twenty sixteen, but that win was a crucial 51 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: one for the Bulldogs because it pushed them up the 52 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: table towards the top, which meant that they would get 53 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: a run at the finals and then get into the finals. 54 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: And indeed, as any football follower knows, they came home 55 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: with a wet sale and they won an historic premiership flag, 56 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: the first one I think since nineteen fifty four, so 57 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: it was basically the first flag in a lifetime and 58 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: only the second footscray flag as we used to say 59 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: foots Gray or Bulldogs flag in history in our AFL 60 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: or formerly VFL. Now this greatly incensed the Crows supporters. 61 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: As the season war on and the Crows were obviously 62 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: not going to get to the Grand Final. Crow's supporters 63 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: formed a deep and abiding hatred of Troy Panell and 64 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: blamed him for their problems. They basically said that he 65 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,679 Speaker 1: had favored the Bulldogs and that had the free kicks 66 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: account been reversed, that they might well have won the 67 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: game and gone on to greater things. And meanwhile, the 68 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: Bulldogs would not have. Now, that is a supposition that's 69 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: there to be made, and they may well be right, 70 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: but to some extent, most people would think of that 71 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: as just the partisan barracking by highly partisan supporters in 72 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: Adelaide against highly partisan supporters of the Bulldogs here in 73 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: western Melbourne. Let's jump forward a couple of years. It 74 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: turns out that Troy Panell lasts another season or two 75 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: after that exhibition of umpiring. I think there was widespread 76 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: criticis and perhaps some of that criticism permeated the AFL, 77 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: and at some point either he decided to retire from 78 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: the top level of the game or he was moved 79 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,239 Speaker 1: on one or the other, and he I think umpired 80 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: at a lesser level and he became I think a 81 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: coach of other umpires, a junior league umpires. 82 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: Or whatever that sort of stuff. 83 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: He lived in the Outer West. I think he had 84 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:34,679 Speaker 1: grown up around Werribee. He bought a nice new house 85 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: on a big block, a big new house on a 86 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: big new block with a swimming pool at Gisban sixty 87 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: days after that big game, the Docklands game. Interestingly, that 88 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: was on the seventh of May and sixty days later 89 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: on the seventh of July, which might be a total coincidence, 90 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: and probably is. He bought a big new house at 91 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: Gisman for just north of eight hundred thousand dollars, which 92 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: was a fair amount at the time in twenty sixteen. 93 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: It's now eight years ago. 94 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: That house these days. 95 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: Is probably in the low one point something's one point 96 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: two one point three. 97 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: Quite a bit. That house is not out of the way. 98 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: I guess a guy who was just turning forty mid career. 99 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: He's got a pretty reasonable job at a place called 100 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: Sea Roads Shipping, I think it's called. They're based in 101 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: Port Melbourne and they run container traffic, a lot of 102 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: container traffic across Bass Strait and I think across the 103 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: Tasment of New Zealand. Thousands of containers a year in 104 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: goods being shipped back and forth. Troy Pannell's day job 105 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: was as a sort of a managerial role inside that 106 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:57,119 Speaker 1: sea road shipping business. That job, it wasn't terribly highly paid, 107 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: but it was quite responsible. He'd been there some years 108 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: and he was trusted with organizing payments around the office, 109 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: and he was authorized to pay bills of up to 110 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars, et cetera, et cetera. And it turns 111 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: out that he might have seen this as an opportunity 112 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: because at some point Troy Perenell became the sole director 113 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: proprietor of a small and obscure company which had a 114 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: name something like Containers Surveying and Maintenance Proprietary EMITTED or 115 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: similar a name like that, and it was a name 116 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: that suggested that what that company did was to maintain 117 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: shipping containers. That if you had containers that had a 118 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: problem or loose rivets or hinges that were broken or whatever, 119 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: it might be that this company could take your container 120 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: on the back of a truck and you weld it 121 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: up or fix things and make sure it was fit 122 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: for purpose. 123 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: Good idea. 124 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: The only problem with it was that this company was 125 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: apparently false front was a bogus company. It was a company, 126 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: but it didn't actually have a workshop, and it didn't 127 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: actually allegedly do any work. It didn't take containers anywhere, 128 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: and it didn't work on them wherever they were. No 129 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: work was being done. The only transaction to do with 130 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: that little company between Sea Roads Shipping Troy Penel's employer 131 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: and this little company set up, the only transaction was 132 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: that every month or so he would invoice Sea Road 133 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: Shipping for the maintenance of X number of containers. And 134 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: the reality of this is that over a ten year period, 135 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: can you believe this a ten year period, he had 136 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: charged the company he worked for around eight hundred dollars 137 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: a throw, eight hundred dollars a time for each container 138 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: that they were using. Over ten years, that added up 139 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: to something like a hundred thousand containers. In a year 140 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: they'd use, you know, ten thousand containers or whatever, and 141 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: over ten years it's ten hundred thousand. And the result 142 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: of that, if you're multiplied by eight hundred, is eight 143 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: point seven million dollars. That this company that he had 144 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: set up allegedly stripped eight point seven million dollars out 145 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,119 Speaker 1: of his employer's cash accounts. 146 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: Clearly, it was quite a. 147 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: Successful business sea roads shipping, because no one actually noticed 148 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: that this might be a problem. No one was actually 149 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: having a close look at the containers to see what 150 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: was being done or not being done to them. And 151 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: it came to light only because of an alert accountant 152 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: who said, oh, there's a problem here with GST and 153 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: bas this company, you know, container surveying whatever it's called. 154 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: They're not paying. Yes, now we better ask Troy here, 155 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: who handles all that transactions with the containers maintenance, what's 156 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: going on there? And they asked him, and he duck, 157 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: shoved and duck the question, and it wasn't long before 158 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: they worked out that the money had been paid out 159 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 1: into basically a void. And indeed, when you looked up 160 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: this company, its sole director was one Troy Panell, their 161 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: own shipping manager or whatever his title was now. His 162 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: title sounded good, but he was on a salary of 163 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: only about one hundred and ten thousand for most of 164 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: that time. Not a big salary, but probably okay. Given 165 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: that probably wasn't a lot of hard work, and clearly 166 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: he wasn't being supervised very strictly. He could pretty well 167 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: do what he liked, and indeed he did do what 168 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: he liked. So the balloon went up last year in 169 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, and ultimately he was summoned to court 170 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: it They started a civil action against him and against 171 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: his his company, I suppose, and it was all heading 172 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: in that direction. He obviously could no longer work for them, 173 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: and he was going to turn up to court and 174 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: eventually the system would have extracted large amounts of money 175 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: from him and his assets in order to pay back 176 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: his employer part of least of what he'd allegedly stripped 177 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: from them. Now what were his assets? Now this is interesting. 178 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: Troy Panell had bought at the House of Gissement, Yes, 179 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: that was twenty sixteen. Troy Panell and his then wife, 180 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: who claims no knowledge of any of these things, and 181 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: I have no reason to disbelieve her. I'm told by 182 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: a lawyer that I trust that she has been sort 183 00:11:55,559 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: of broadsided by this, that she's been lied to consistently, 184 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: and we'll come to that. And he has apparently betrayed 185 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: those closest to him quite a bit. He and his 186 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: then wife they had premises in Kinton called Duck Duck 187 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: Goose the Larder I think it was called. It was 188 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: a sort of a food shop I think did pizzas 189 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: and it did food and it might have done gift 190 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: wear and stuff as well. 191 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: Sort of quite a big, stylish. 192 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: Premises in the main street of Canton. It was the 193 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: sort of place that people driving through tourist traffic, that 194 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: sort of thing they'd pull up, maybe buy something from 195 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: Memento and buy some food or whatever. 196 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: Coffee. 197 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: And another one down in Sedn Now that of course 198 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: is the upmarket piece of Footscray sed and he had 199 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: one there with a quite a fashionable name. I think 200 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: it was called something Galaxia. It was a small and 201 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: fashionable cafe of the sort that people refer to as instagrammable. 202 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: It would produce beautifully served dishes of meals that people 203 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: would take photographs of before they consumed them, as some 204 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: people do so. Troy perenew until the manure hit the 205 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: fan seemed to be going okay. He was involved in 206 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: the businesses. He had the house at Gisbon where he 207 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: and his then wife lived with their children, I think 208 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: two children. But Troy had a few worries. He had 209 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: a few other responsibilities. One of them was forgot where 210 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: he actually lived, and he formed an attachment for a 211 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: woman other than his wife, and she was ensconced in 212 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: a property in ascert Vale and he had a long 213 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: term relationship with her while still living at home with 214 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: his wife, and he managed to father a baby girl 215 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: with that woman, and that led to some disharmony in 216 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: his domestic arrangements, as it might. In fact, their wife 217 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: is married to called him a liar and a cheat, 218 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: which a lot of people would probably agree with. And 219 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: the other interest that he had, apart from women other 220 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: than his wife, was racing and race horses, and Troy 221 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: Panell he used to go to New Zealand, I think. 222 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 2: Regularly because of his work. 223 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: I think perhaps Sea road shipping had a bit to 224 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: do with shipping across the Tasmans to New Zealand, and 225 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: he used to. 226 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: Go there fairly regularly. 227 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: And at some point he decided that he would get 228 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: more involved in racing. He's clearly always been a bit 229 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: keen on it, and he started to buy the odd horse. 230 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: In New Zealand. 231 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: But this is where the story gets interesting. You'd expect 232 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: Troy Panell he suspect number one for draining eight point 233 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: seven million out of a company. You'd expect, probably if 234 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: you were guessing you'd think that he was somebody who 235 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: would buy expensive race horses and bet like the Watsons, 236 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: just bet in five thousand dollar lots, ten thousand dollar 237 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: lots and bet like hell. But he didn't. He bought 238 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: cheap horses in New Zealand. The best one he bought, 239 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: the best race horse that he bought, actually cost ten 240 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: thousand dollars as a yealing, which is less than. 241 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: The cost of production. It's a bargain. That's a sort 242 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: of hack price. 243 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: That's what people pay for a good kid's pony, really, 244 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: And he bought this Philly for ten thousand dollars. In 245 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: twenty and eighteen, he did a deal with a husband 246 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: and wife training team over there, that is Vaughn and 247 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: Trudy Keegan, who are sort of boutique trainers, people who 248 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: trained twenty or thirty horses, sort of small stable, and 249 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: he said, can you get this one broken in and 250 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: train it for me? 251 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 2: Whatever? 252 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: And they did, and then he bought another horse and 253 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: another horse, and I think eventually around that time eighteen nineteen, 254 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: the beginning of COVID, he had up to nine horses 255 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: over there. Now, even in New Zealand where prices are 256 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: lower and I think racecources can be trained a bit cheaper. 257 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: In New Zealand, he was running up bills of around 258 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars a month. Now, that is quite a 259 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: bit for the average person, but if you are as 260 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: it is alleged stripping out somewhere between half a million 261 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: and one million dollars a year from an embezzment scheme. 262 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: And this is the allegation about Troy Penell. He would 263 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: have plenty of money to pay ten thousand dollars a 264 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: month in training fees, because that would work out about 265 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty grand a year, and yet it 266 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: is alleged that he was getting anything up to eight 267 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: hundred thousand. 268 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 2: Dollars a year out of his alleged scheme. 269 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: And so really, even though it's a big expense ten 270 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a month for the average working wage person, 271 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: in the context of this, it's not. The other thing 272 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: is this, you would expect him to be a big punter, 273 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: you'd expect him to be a degenerate punter. But again 274 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: this is a bit surprising. 275 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 2: Now. 276 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: I set out on this story to find out who 277 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: Troy Perenell really was, and I thought no worries he 278 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: will be another one of these embezzlers, like the classic 279 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: bank manager of the classic bank teller. These people that 280 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: can get their hands on money, they start gambling, they 281 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: have a loss, they think they can borrow something out 282 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: of the till. Go to the races, put it on 283 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,479 Speaker 1: the favorite, win it all back, go back, restore it 284 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: to the till, go to the casino, put it on 285 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: black or red, etc. It's the slippery slope, and it 286 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: happens a lot, and it is always happened, and there 287 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: are always gambling addicts who will end up embezzling cash 288 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: to cover their losses, and they become more and more 289 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: desperate because you know, they're two million in the hole. 290 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: They've got to try and bet their way out. There's 291 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: no other way, and they become increasingly desperate. I thought 292 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 1: this would be that case. But I put out some 293 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: feelers with a couple of sources in the corporate gaming 294 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: and betting industry as they call it. And one of 295 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: those sources knows a lot of people across certain corporate bookmakers, 296 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: and the other one knows other people in other corporate 297 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: book makers. So we're looking here. You know, Ladbrooks Sports Bet, 298 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: the tab tap Corp bet three six five better, all 299 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: the usual suspects. And the message I got back from 300 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: both those contacts was we've never heard of this guy, 301 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: and if he's betting, we doubt his better big and clearly, 302 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: if he's betting, he's betting using somebody else's accounts, not 303 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: his own, not certainly not his own name. He doesn't 304 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: seem to exist, And I thought, well, that's not that surprising. 305 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: As a former afl umpire, he will have been flagged 306 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: as a person who shouldn't bet on sporting contests or whatever. Okay, 307 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: So I then talk to two live bookies, bookies the 308 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: old fashioned bookies who go to the races and put 309 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: up the odds on a board and say give it 310 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: a name, punters and all that stuff. And the two 311 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: I spoke to are two of the most well known, 312 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: experienced and biggest bookies left in this state. There aren't 313 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: that many of them left, but these two guys are 314 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,719 Speaker 1: right up there, and they are very wise people. They 315 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: have seen a lot of punters come and go, and 316 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: it's fair to say that if there was someone betting 317 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: in telephone numbers, these guys would know about it. If 318 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: the guy was not betting, through them, they would have 319 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: heard who he was betting through same result. Neither of 320 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: them had heard anything about this Troy Panell, or indeed 321 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: about anybody that sort of fits the profile. Bookies call 322 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: Lisa to Guy's a gold brick. A gold brick is 323 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: someone with access to a lot of money who feels 324 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: an urge to bet with it. Bookies love them because 325 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: ultimately they will lose, and bookies will benefit from those losses. 326 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: They had never heard of anyone matching that description. No 327 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: gold brick, regardless of the name. They just hadn't heard 328 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: of one. My four contacts across the entire betting gaming 329 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: industry in Victoria are telling me that this bloke isn't 330 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: an active large punter. Now, the two lots of trainers 331 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: that have trained for him, that is the husband and 332 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: wife team in New Zealand, the Kegans, and quite a 333 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: respected small trainer here at Kinon called Charles Cassa. Nice guy, 334 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: looks like Frank Zappa, the musician, and in fact Charles 335 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: Cassa before he was a horse trainer. At one point 336 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: he used to sing and play guitar in rock and 337 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: roll bands. So there you go a bit of Frank 338 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: Zappa about him. Charles is a horseman first, racial trainer. Second, 339 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: he trains a few horses and goes okay that Kenton 340 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: lives a nice life with the family on the farm 341 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: and trains away. He told me he had a conversation 342 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: with me. He said he met Troy Panell at the 343 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: races at Geelong Day. Used to both be around Gelong 344 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: at one time, and he said it was one of 345 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: those casual relationships you fall into it the races. You 346 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: see somebody see me regularly and you get to nod 347 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: to them and say hello mate, Hello mate. And he 348 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: said I only knew him as mate for quite a 349 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: while before I knew what his name was. I had 350 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: no idea what he did. I didn't know he's an umpire. 351 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: I just seen him at the races occasionally, and at 352 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: some point point he's approached me and said, I've got 353 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: a horse. It's a barrier rogue or a float. Rogue 354 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: won't load and a float and I need somebody as 355 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: a good horseman to try and train it, handle it, 356 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: educate it. And I think the story was that he 357 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: cass undertook to try and re educate the horse or whatever. 358 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, but that's how he started off training 359 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: the odd horse for Troy Penell. What's his summary of 360 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: Troy Perenew, Well, his summary of him is nice enough. 361 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: Bloke didn't see that much of him. He said, he 362 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: didn't visit the stables, you know, all the time. He 363 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: didn't hang around all the time. Now again, he visited 364 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: the stables, but he said he didn't give the vibe 365 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: of the wealthy owner, the owner with cash to burn. 366 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: He didn't give the vibe of the guy that's pulling 367 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand a year out of a business and 368 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: spending it on racing or on anything else. He said, 369 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: he's cars. His cars were sort of working class cars. 370 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: He said. 371 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: At one point he had a fairly secondhand subar route 372 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: and another time he had a fairly secondhand rav four. 373 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: That's the small Toyota issue, a reasonably humble vehicle. He said, 374 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: that was the sort of vehicle he was driving. I 375 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: was aware that he had the businesses in Canton, but 376 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: nothing about him shouted spare money or money to burn. 377 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: And he said, I doubt he ever had a really 378 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: big bet. He said, a lot of owners talk as 379 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: if they bet bigger than they do. He said, quite 380 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: a lot talking thousands or talk about having five hundred 381 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: each way on a horse or whatever, and he said, 382 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: the reality usually is it's half that. If they say 383 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: they're having five hundred each way, it's probably two hundred 384 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: each way. And he said, I can only remember one 385 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: time where I think he act one heavily enough to 386 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: push it down from nine dollars a nine dollar quit 387 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: that he's eight to one in the old into three 388 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: point fifty. And that was an Arra rat. Now Arrarat races, 389 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: God bless it is a reasonably small meeting, reasonably small 390 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: event where the betting pools are small, and if someone 391 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: had a solid bet, you know, a thousand dollar bet, 392 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: it may well push a horse into much shorter odds, 393 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: at least temperarily. And he said that would be the 394 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: only time I can think of when Troy Penell had 395 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: a decent bet, And he said he never seemed to 396 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: put enough on to want to sling a jockey for winning. 397 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: He said, if we want a race, he said, I'd 398 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: drink bourbon. He never bought me a bottle of bourbon, 399 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: which you'd expect an owner to do occasionally if you 400 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: win a race for them by a present. 401 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 2: Just sort of. 402 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: The Manners never did any of that. He said he 403 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: wasn't a big notor he didn't spend up. I didn't 404 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: see any sign of spare cash. Now back in New Zealand, 405 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: you know, we've got horses being trained in two countries. 406 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: Back in New Zealand, we have the Philly that he 407 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: paid ten thousand dollars for In New Zealand. She proved 408 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: to be a very handy animal. And the trainers over there, 409 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: the Kegans, told Troy Pernell, this is around twenty nineteen, 410 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: I think in there they said this Philly's got ability, 411 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: and they waited for her to grow out. She's a 412 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: great big thing, big and tall and long. They had 413 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: to wait for it to sort of keep growing, and eventually, 414 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: as a three year old, they gave her her first start. Now, 415 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,479 Speaker 1: she started in what we would call sort of a 416 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: semi city start. It was at Awapuni, which is the 417 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: Palmerston North Racetrack. It's a pretty serious racetrack on the 418 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: North Island and maybe like Geelong here or something like that, 419 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: or maybe you know, pretty serious track. And she won easily, 420 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: she won by five lengths. Interestingly, she paid eight dollars 421 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: fifty starting price was eight dollars fifty, which would suggest 422 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: that no one had a fortune on it. Clearly no 423 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: one had, you know, twenty grand on it. But they think, 424 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: they think if Troy Panell is telling the truth, which 425 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: we're not sure, they think Troy Perell hooked that filly 426 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: up in multis multi bets, so with her to win, 427 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: with another one to run a placing, with another one 428 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: to do something else. They put together these multi bets. 429 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: And they said that he told them that he'd invested 430 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: six and a half thousand dollars and he ended up 431 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: winning more than eighty that day, and maybe he had 432 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: some other bets as well, and claimed that ultimately that 433 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: day he won more than one hundred. But anyway, they 434 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: saw no actual proof of it. But he did on 435 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: that give them a gift. He gave them a sling, 436 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: as it's known in the trade, and I suspect that 437 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: that sling was much smaller than the bills that he 438 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: didn't pay. Subsequently, because that Philly, he brought her across 439 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: to Australia. He took her up to his other trainer, 440 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: Charles Casser at Canton, and as soon as she started 441 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: working at Canton, the first thing that the local trainers 442 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: and jockeys and workwriders notice was. 443 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 2: That the Philly was a roarer. 444 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: She had a throat obstruction is the way to put it, 445 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: which meant that as she galloped with any sort of 446 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: speed and breathed heavily, she had a very raspy, loud, 447 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: raspby breath, which is an indicator of a throat problem. 448 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: And it's something that when it's that serious, it has 449 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: to be remedied. If it can be remedied at all, 450 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: it has to be remedied with quite serious surgery, throat surgery. 451 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: And indeed what happened was they operated on that Philly 452 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: and she had a long spell I think nine months, 453 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: and they brought her back in the best she could 454 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: do here in Australia in Melbourne was to run third. 455 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: She want third, rest of the time, she mean basically 456 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: mostly last. So she went completely wrong. So Troy Pernell's 457 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: big throw at the stumps, the ten thousand dollars Philly 458 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: that won three good races in New Zealand and won 459 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: him some money. When he gets here, she goes wrong, 460 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: as happens with horses, and eventually, when his problems started, 461 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: he sold her for fifty thousand dollars as a broodman. 462 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: The people that bought her sold her for one hundred 463 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: and seventy thousand dollars as a brood may which was 464 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: interesting turnaround. And in the meantime someone sold a fole 465 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: out of her for one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. 466 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: Now that fole was not sold by Troy Pernell, not 467 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: officially anyway. It was sold in the name of a 468 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: particular stud, and studs sometimes do that on behalf of clients. 469 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: They prepare yealings for sales. And you know, Joe Smith 470 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: might have a yeling to sell, so he takes it 471 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: to Shady Trees Stud, and Shady Tree Stud say, we'll 472 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: look after your yeling for fifty five dollars a day, 473 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: and we'll lead it around and groom it and rug 474 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: it and feed it and make it beautiful and shiny, 475 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: and providing you pay the bills, we'll organize all that 476 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: and sell it for you at the sales and after 477 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: we take out our cut, you'll get the balance. Now, 478 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: it might be that that yealing that was sold for 479 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,719 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand to the top trainer Kiaran Mar. 480 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: It's quite possible that you know, a large percentage of 481 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: that money went to Troy Panell. I don't know, and 482 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: in a sense that probably doesn't matter. What matters is 483 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: that when the horsemen. 484 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 2: You were hit the fan. 485 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: Late last year Troy Perennell was on notice that he 486 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: was in diabolical trouble. First of all, he was going 487 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: to be sued to return the money that was missing, 488 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: and clearly that would mean that any assets that he 489 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: owned would be liable, you know. 490 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 2: Shops, houses, whatever, horses or whatever it might be. 491 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: He was due to front at the Supreme Court in 492 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: Melbourne on the ninth of May this year. That's only 493 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. He didn't front, and about thirty 494 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: five minutes after he was due in court, so this is, 495 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, ten thirty five or whatever, the lawyers for 496 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: the other side get an email from him saying, Oh, 497 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't make it to court today. I've 498 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: hit a kangaroo in my car and I have no 499 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: functioning indicator and my windscreen is cracked and I'm sitting 500 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: by the side of the road. He didn't say where. 501 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: I don't think. I'm sitting by the side of the 502 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: road waiting for roadside assist or a tow truck or whatever, 503 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: and that more or less was the last that anybody 504 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: had heard or seen of Troypenel. Subsequently, a warrant was 505 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: issued for his arrest, and by mid May he had 506 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: vanished into smoke. He hit the toe as they say, 507 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: and had gone everyone thinks into state or somewhere, and 508 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: he wasn't really heard of apart from one email suggesting 509 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: that he was in Queensland, which is possibly untrue that 510 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: he was there. He may well have been closer to home. 511 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: None of us knew where he was. I suspect no 512 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: one knew where he was. But it would appear that 513 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: the authorities, despite the arrest warrant, were happy to leave 514 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: him out there somewhere, providing he got a chance to 515 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: turn up to court for his latest hearing on the 516 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: sixth of June. He didn't front and in fact, on 517 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: that day he was spotted by a police car in 518 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: central Victoria, not that far from Dalsford, and apparently at 519 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: some point he's crashed his car, a lone vehicle crash, 520 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: as if he's run off the road and hit a 521 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: tree or whatever it was. Now he was apparently injured 522 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: badly enough, or it appeared that he was injured badly 523 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: enough that he was flown to the Alfred Hospital in Melbourne. 524 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 2: To be treated. 525 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: It appeared that he was seriously injured, and there was 526 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: a lot of sympathy for his situation, but it would 527 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: appear that he wasn't terribly seriously injured, and that at 528 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: some point in the near future he will front court 529 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: to face the original proceedings and also at some point 530 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: to face charges, and that. 531 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 2: Is where that story sits. 532 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: So we looked at a man that is an umpire 533 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: who fancied a life of wine, women and race horses, 534 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: not necessarily in that or Thanks for listening. 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