1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: On scorn lives Ostrodia. 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 2: This is the Wader Panety Show. 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panety Show. Coming 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 3: up tonight, we have an absolute stellar lineup of guests. 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 3: Douglas Murray on President Trump's historic UK visit. Dave Ruben 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 3: tortures the hatefield Left attacking his friend Charlie Kirk. Army 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 3: Horowitz will have the latest from the US, and we'll 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 3: start by looking for the ABC's leftist activist journalists clash 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 3: with President Trump and left He's losing it features lies, 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 3: hysteria and hyperfole, lived. 11 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 4: In a good home, dad as a minister, also a 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 4: share didn't check it in and bosses y'll don't even 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 4: check Diddy. 14 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 3: But first, Donald Trump has unleashed on the ABC's American 15 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: editor and a virulin to anti Trumper John Lyons after 16 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 3: he attempted to bake the US President for a four 17 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 3: corners hit piece. 18 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: Appropriate President that a president in office should be engaged 19 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: in so much Piacere's activity. Well, I'm really not. 20 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 5: My kids are running the business and you know at 21 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 5: the activity. Where are you from. 22 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 6: I'm from the Australian Broadcasting Operation four corner probid, the Australias. 23 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 5: You're hurting Australia. In my opinion, you. 24 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 7: Are hurting Australia very much right now. 25 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 5: But they want to get along with me. 26 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 7: You know your leader is coming over to see me 27 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 7: very soon. 28 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 5: I'm going to tell them about you. You said a 29 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 5: very bad tone. 30 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: Joining me now for more on this, the Sky News 31 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 3: contributor Louise Roberts Louise Poetus made it clear there that 32 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 3: the Prime Minister is finally going to be grand today 33 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 3: face to face meeting. 34 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 8: With the President. That could be as early as next week. 35 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 9: Hi read yes it It could be in the sidelines 36 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 9: of the UN Security Council meeting, or if not, it 37 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 9: could be the White House in Washington, maybe before mister 38 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 9: alban Eve's he travels to the UK to see Keir Starmer. 39 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 9: So it's interesting, of course that it was Trump that 40 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 9: actually announced this meeting. We haven't actually heard it from 41 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 9: the PM himself, which maybe might have been nice given 42 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 9: many of us wanted him to do everything possible to 43 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 9: build his relationship with the US President. But yes, certainly 44 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 9: it's good news that they are going to be in 45 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 9: the same room at some point to talk about we 46 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 9: hope tariffs and trade and Israel, Palestine and all the important, 47 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 9: critical things they should have been talking about well before. Now, well, 48 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 9: what do. 49 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 3: You make of the President's interaction with that ABC journalist? 50 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 3: Imagine if it costs the country a lesser trade deal. 51 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 8: I'm sure it won't. 52 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 3: But President Trump certainly wasn't happy with that line of questioning. 53 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 9: No, he was not happy with that line of questioning. 54 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 9: And mister Trump made it very clear that the business 55 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 9: dealings or any deals he did before the White House 56 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 9: were completed and his kids or his children actually run 57 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 9: the business now. But you know, John lyn is a 58 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 9: very experienced journalist. He would have known that pursuing that 59 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 9: line of questioning would have provoked a certain response, and 60 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 9: it was a prickly response. Whether, of course, the President's 61 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 9: going to dob him in to, you know, our prime 62 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 9: minister when they meet remains to be seen. 63 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 5: But certainly that was sort. 64 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 9: Of the idle threat there wasn't it. But I think 65 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 9: if they were looking for a bit of a gotcha 66 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 9: moment for their Four Corners documentary, that didn't quite hit 67 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 9: the mark, really did it. And also Trump his brand 68 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 9: is to push back on journalists in a way, it's 69 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 9: to push back and call out when he doesn't like 70 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 9: the questioning, Well. 71 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 3: It was a stupid question. So I'm not surprised by 72 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 3: that response. And the ABC has invested so much in 73 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 3: its TEDS related reporting, they still haven't apologized or done 74 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 3: any sort of meaningful correction about their Russian collusion pieces, 75 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: those ridiculous three part series that they put to air, 76 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 3: great cost of the taxpayer news, all of the debunked, 77 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: and yet they waste a taxpayer money putting that sort 78 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: of poor journalism to air. Now, it wasn't the only 79 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 3: interaction we've seen between the ABC and Conservatives today. 80 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 8: Afternoon briefing host Patricia. 81 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 3: Carvellis got pretty upset with Matt Canavan that we're discussing 82 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 3: migrants and crime yesterday. 83 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 10: Have you listened to this, Well, look, look at the 84 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 10: situation we're seeing in crime statistics in Melbourne. I mean, 85 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 10: I mean some of that is clearly linked in migrant communities, 86 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 10: so that are struggling to control the situation, the economic pressure. 87 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 2: Crime and metal. 88 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: She said a few things further there, but one of 89 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 3: the key points is you can't blame migrants for crime 90 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: in Melbourne. 91 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 8: But Louise, why can't we talk about the fact. 92 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 3: That there are some migrant groups who are dramatically overrepresented 93 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 3: in the crime stats. We've got some migrant groups that 94 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: are under represented, but certainly there is a significant overrepresentation 95 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 3: amongst some groups and that should not be a taboo 96 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 3: topic to discuss. 97 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 9: No, it should not be a taboo topic to discuss. 98 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 9: But if you discuss it, your xenophobic or racist, because 99 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 9: you're all saying is what was alleged to Matt Canavan, 100 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 9: and he never said this is that migrants are criminals, 101 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 9: and he never said that. He was trying to draw 102 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 9: a line between mass migration and pressure on society. He 103 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 9: wasn't going down the ethnicity route or anything like that 104 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 9: at all. So it's outrage that he was accused of that. 105 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 9: He's just trying to have an open discussion about its issue. 106 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 9: And as you say, machete crime is overrepresentative in those 107 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 9: sort of groups. 108 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: The stats are there. 109 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 9: The police will tell you that that there is a 110 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 9: gang problem and there is a machete problem in Melbourne. 111 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 9: But somehow the crime is to talk about this. It's insane. 112 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 3: The denial from the left is astonishing. 113 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 8: I don't know how many more, how much more. 114 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 3: Victoria's climbrate needs to get worse before they start actually 115 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 3: facing reality. Now, before you go, I want to play 116 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 3: you this clip from Liberal Senator Jane Hume. 117 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 8: She was on Sky News earlier and. 118 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 3: She said NED zero is a cornerstone of conservative politics. 119 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 9: Throughout the coalition, there is a commitment to reduce emissions, 120 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 9: and why shouldn't there be reducing emissions leaving a better environment. 121 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 8: It's a core pillar of conservative politics. 122 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 3: Louise, There's a plenty I could say about that, But 123 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 3: what's your response to what you've just heard. 124 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 9: Well, you know, Jame's a good operator, but I don't 125 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 9: know why she's doing the Labour's job and the Green's 126 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 9: job for them by sort of jumping in with that 127 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 9: camp and trying to appeal with inner city lefties who 128 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 9: are never going to vote liberal anyway. So the focus 129 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 9: should be on actually getting a legitimate climate policy, particularly 130 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 9: for the Liberal Party and the coalition, which I believe 131 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 9: now is probably going to end up being Dan Tayn's job. 132 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 9: But you know, Susan Lay doesn't have a policy, and 133 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 9: she doesn't have a way of actually getting this civil 134 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 9: war together where you've got Barnaby Joyce wanted to dump 135 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 9: the whole thing because he's on the side of the 136 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 9: regions and I have to agree with him there. And 137 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 9: then you've got other parts who were saying, oh, we 138 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 9: need to have a policy, because we need to have 139 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 9: a policy without actually thinking what the voters want. 140 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 3: They are absolutely at sea on this issue and so 141 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 3: many others. 142 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 8: Louise Roberts, thank you so much for your time. Good 143 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 8: to see joining me now. 144 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 3: Is the author of international best sellers, including The Strange 145 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 3: Death of Europe, The Madness of Crowds, The War on 146 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 3: the West, and his latest on democracies and death cults. 147 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 8: Douglas Murray. 148 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 3: Before we dive into today's issues, I last spoke to 149 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 3: you just a couple of hours after Charlie Kirk's murder. 150 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 8: How do you see his legacy? 151 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 3: He was only thirty one, but the impact he had 152 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: on politics, on campus culture and the wider culture was enormous. 153 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: Yes, it was. And there's been such an outpouring the 154 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: last week almost since his assassination that it just really 155 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: embeds that fact. The President, Donald Trump, Vice President Jeddy Vance, 156 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: and many others have been incredibly involved in the aftermath. 157 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: In the case of all of these people consoling Charlie 158 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: Kirk's widow and family and much more, and awarding him 159 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: posthumously the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Perhaps as importantly, they've also, 160 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: of course been I wouldn't say, demonstrations, more gatherings around 161 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: the world, across America, in London, as far afield as 162 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:51,719 Speaker 1: South Korea of people paying tribute to Charlie Kirk, and 163 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: that's been an incredible thing to see, actually, a huge outpouring. 164 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk said that when he was asked how he 165 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: wanted to be remembered, which is a rather scary thing 166 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: in hindsight to think that somebody just out of his 167 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: twenties was fairly often asked, he wanted to be remembered 168 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: for his faith, for his Christian faith. And it's really telling, 169 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: I think, and a fine tribute to him that the 170 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: people who have been gathering in tribute to him have 171 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: not done so in the sort of way that certain 172 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: sections of society do by causing businesses to have to 173 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: board up their shop windows and so on. No, very 174 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: far from it. They're gathering in prayer and in vigil 175 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: and that's really been an incredibly moving thing to see. 176 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 3: Now, Douglas, President Donald Trump has arrived in the UK 177 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: to meet with King Charles Is, who'll be spending the 178 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 3: night at Windsor before meeting Kirstarma at the Prime Minister's residence. 179 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 3: This is a historic visit, the first time a US 180 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: president has had two state visits to the UK while 181 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 3: in office, Douglas, There's going to be plenty of pomp 182 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 3: and pageantry. There will be further trade talk. What else 183 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: do you expect to. 184 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 8: See from this visit? 185 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 3: Will President Trump bring up those huge anti mass immigration 186 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 3: protests we've just seen in London. 187 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 1: It's possible. Will President Trump's been asked about this visit 188 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: and has stressed that it's really about the king in 189 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: the royal family, and that's clearly his own passion in 190 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: accepting this visit is his passion for the country of 191 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: his mother's birth and for the United Kingdom, and especially 192 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: for the monarchy. He has met Kirs Starmer, of course, 193 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: a number of times since coming back into office. It's 194 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: an uneasy relationship in lots of ways, and you can 195 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: see that Kir Starmer's politics really couldn't be further away 196 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: from those of President Trump. But on the other hand, 197 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: the UK needs good trade relations with the US. President 198 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: Trump and the Trump administration has been pretty generous so 199 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: far in that in those negotiations, and I would expect 200 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: it to go smoothly. And I would imagine given recent 201 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: events in America, maybe just maybe the domestic anti Trump 202 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: left in the UK might keep their usual sort of 203 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: rude protests down. Remember that last time President Trump went 204 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: to the UK, people like the Mayor of London, Sadi Khan, 205 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: tried to make it all about themselves, allowed protesters to, 206 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: you know, I mean within the law, but I mean, 207 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: you know, sort of insult the guests of the United Kingdom. 208 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: I imagine there might be a little bit less of 209 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: that this time. It's hard to say at the moment. 210 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 3: Well, on those protests across well London, certainly the crowd 211 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 3: number there was enormous, But these protests have been variously 212 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 3: described by the media as far right and extremist white nationalists. 213 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 3: But let's hear from a couple taking part to challenge 214 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 3: those narratives. 215 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 8: What's your name is way here today and that's Angel 216 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 8: my husband. 217 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 3: We want our children to be able to speak without 218 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 3: being prosecuted or being arrested. 219 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: We don' want them to have tweets on x or 220 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: anything else and being cimilized for courts. 221 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 2: I think everyone, you'll be able to speak. 222 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 3: And Douglas, let me play you the experience of this 223 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: next woman, a black woman in a hijab who attended 224 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 3: the march expecting to be abused. 225 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 11: I'm going to the September thirteenth protests and seeing how 226 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 11: many times I get. 227 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 8: Good to Africa. 228 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: Oh no, oh no, But let's see what actually happened 229 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 3: and what she had to say after. 230 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 11: I went to the Tommy Robinson protests on September thirteenth, 231 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 11: and it was fine. 232 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: I also went alone as well. 233 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 11: I met my friend like two hours later in central London, 234 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 11: but I was by myself and I went straight to 235 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 11: the belly of the beast and I saw nothing but 236 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 11: peaceful people, respectful people. 237 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: I was even interviewing them. I asked my last TikTok. 238 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 11: They're actually good people, and I knew I shouldn't have 239 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 11: been afraid. 240 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 8: I was never ever going to be afraid because I grew. 241 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: Up with English people. I grew up with white. 242 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 8: People, and they've been nothing but polite, respectful. 243 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 11: That's their culture, you know, politeness, pratisher, you know. The 244 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 11: issue is a lot of minority cultures for them have 245 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 11: become the predominant culture in areas of the UK like London, Liverpool, Manchester, Luton, 246 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 11: to the point that these towns and the city become unrecognizable. 247 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 3: Douglas, she gets a better than ninety five percent plus 248 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 3: of the media. 249 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, good for her in one way. I 250 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: mean it's sort of absurd that in the country she 251 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: lives in she thinks there's a kind of belly of 252 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: the beast, which is a protest like this. Good for 253 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: her for acknowledging that she was wrong and was misjudging 254 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: her countrymen and women. It's an astonishing thing to see 255 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: this reta because Tommy Robinson's Unite the Kingdom protests gathered 256 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: a very large number of people in the center of London, 257 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: at least one hundred thousand, probably significantly more than that. 258 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: It's always hard to say with these protests, as always 259 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: say they're larger, and the police always say they're smaller. 260 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: But it was a very much more peaceful event than 261 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: any of the media I wanted to admit it might be, 262 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: or indeed in the end was. There were some arrests, 263 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: but infinitely fewer than let's say that great celebration of multicultural, 264 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: diverse London, the notting Hill Carnival, where there are always 265 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: dozens of arrests and you know, stabbings and sexual assaults 266 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: and so on. The Tommy Robinson United the Kingdom event 267 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: went off peacefully. It went off positively. I watched a 268 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: relay of of what happened from the stage. It wasn't 269 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: ending like a white supremacist, white nationalist thing. There was 270 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: a black gospel choir, there were some Maoris doing one 271 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: of the you know, the chants and haka, and it 272 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: was all very It was all very you know, good natured. 273 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: Some of the speakers talked about the things that clearly 274 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: are worrying my fellow Brits. I mean things like, yes, 275 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: the mass illegal migration, the fact that people who describe 276 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: themselves as white British are finding themselves to be a 277 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: minority in every major English city. That's that's that's a 278 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: big one. I mean, that's not like an imaginary fear. 279 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: That's that's just something that has actually happened without their 280 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: asking for it, in fact, asking for it not to 281 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: happen for you know, generations. Now, there was there was 282 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: a significant expression of concern about the rape gangs in 283 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: the north of England and did across all of England 284 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: and much more. But it was all actually, it was 285 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: very peaceable. And one of the things is striking about 286 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: it all reached it's not just a misrepresentation of it, 287 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: but the fact that it'd be actually very hard to 288 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: imagine Keir Starmer, for instance, being able to raise any 289 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: kind of mobilized, you know, group of people for a 290 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: positive celebration of Britishness in this way. There were bishops 291 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: of the Church of England who all came out to 292 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: condemn the event. But one of the things notable about 293 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: it was the prevalence of Christianity in it. There was 294 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: a bishop from a rather he set who opened with 295 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: a prayer, and there were there were calls for Christian 296 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: revival at the event, all which was very interesting. But 297 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: isn't it fascinating that, at this time when there's really 298 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: a need in Britain for a positive vision of the country, 299 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: for pride in the country, and much more so, much 300 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: of the politic, almost all of the political class, almost 301 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: all the media and everyone else doesn't doesn't want to 302 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: be a million miles of these people, and doesn't even 303 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: speak to these people. And good for that girl you 304 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: just showed for realizing that actually, if they did speak 305 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: to most of these people, they would realize they're not 306 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: some sort of you know, trolls. You can't approach you 307 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: a dangerous white supremacist, nationalist, nazi KKK, et cetera, et cetera. 308 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: They are decent people who want their country to revive 309 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: itself and not to fall into this appalling a desk 310 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: bond that it's currently in. 311 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 3: Now, I want to play you a clip from Nick Clegg. 312 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 3: He's accused America and the Trump administration of interfering in 313 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 3: elections in Europe, including the UK. 314 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 12: Have a listen, they interfere in other people's elections. They 315 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 12: interfered in the German elections. Must you know, supported the 316 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 12: a Fdvan met the AfD leader before he met Meutz. 317 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 12: Then chance that they're interfered in the Polish election. And 318 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 12: they're now inserting themselves into British politics. And if you 319 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 12: look at the way in which Tommy Robinson sort of 320 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 12: formed on Musk, look at the way in which Farage 321 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 12: fams about Trump, you know they're seeking to turn this 322 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 12: country into some little maga Britain. 323 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 3: Douglas he went on to say kiss Starma should warn 324 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 3: Donald Trump, but not to engage in this what he 325 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 3: calls extra territorial interference in our democratic culture. 326 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 8: What's your response to those claims? 327 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: I mean, Nick Clegg is accusing various Americans of inserting 328 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: themselves into politics, partly, perhaps because he inserted himself so 329 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: poorly into British politics. Nick Clegg was a hideous politician, 330 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: horrible politician, led the Liberal Democrat Party to one of 331 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: its most historic defeats. He was a woeful deputy prime 332 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: minister in a weak coalition government. He backtracked on all 333 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: of the promises he made on the election trail once 334 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: he was in office, and then ran off to Silicon 335 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: Valley to make some money, by the way, with a 336 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: company which is often itself accused of election interference. When 337 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: he says election interference, just everyone should bear in mind 338 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: just the examples he gave there. Elon Musk is no 339 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: longer involved in the Trump administration. He has every right 340 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,719 Speaker 1: to speak to a protest in London which centered around 341 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: in part frequency, Nigel Faraj has a long standing relationship 342 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: with the President of the United States. Nigel Farach meeting 343 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: with the President of the United States. Is not some aberration. 344 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: Jd Vance speaking to a main opposition party in Germany 345 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: ahead of also speaking to the party of government is 346 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: not an aberration. That is sensible politics. And I'm afraid 347 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: that people like Nick Craig, they've had everything so much 348 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: their way, they themselves are used interfering in elections. They 349 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: themselves if you want to play it at that, you know, 350 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: and it's not like a conspiracy, the which just like 351 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: meeting up with other politicians who you know you should 352 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: meet and keep channels there. They've done that all their lives. 353 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: They're forever interfering if you want to call it that 354 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: in other countries politics. And I'm afraid that, you know, 355 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: this is just an example of the fact that there 356 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: are some people who can't bear it when they don't 357 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: have the reigns of power. And as I say, when 358 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: some of the smaller raigns of power, Nick Klegg exercised 359 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: them very poorly. But no, I mean this narrative it 360 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: always comes from this bit of the sort of soft, 361 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: squishy liberal elite, which is there are things that we 362 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: do which we're allowed to do, but you're not if 363 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: you're in power. When the boot's on the other foot, 364 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: you're allowed to do it. It's just not on. 365 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 8: It isn't. 366 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 3: And when he was at META it was the Global 367 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 3: Affairs president. 368 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 8: He played a part. 369 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 3: In interfering with elections in a number of ways. So 370 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 3: perhaps a bit of self reflection would be called for there, 371 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 3: Douglas Murray, thank you so much for your time. 372 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 8: Tonight, Still to come. 373 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 3: Left is Losing It, plus the latest from the US 374 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 3: as prosecutors seek the death penalty for the man accused 375 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 3: of killing Charlie Kirk. 376 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 8: Sorowitz has the details. You're watching the Rita Panehy Show, 377 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 8: and it's time for Left. He's losing it. 378 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 3: Let's start with some weapon of grade gas lighting from 379 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 3: alleged comic Jimmy Kimmel. Here is the far left purveyor 380 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 3: of late night disinformation engaging in some more disinformation, this 381 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 3: time about his ideological bedfellow, Tyler Robinson. 382 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 13: We had some new. 383 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 14: Lows over the weekend with the Maga gang desperately trying 384 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 14: to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything 385 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 14: other than one of them, and everything they can to 386 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 14: score political points from it. 387 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm sure the far left loser moaning about supposed 388 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 3: fascists and obsessed with transactivism with a trans boyfriend is 389 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 3: a closet Republican. According to Kimmel, I mean, let's just 390 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 3: disregard officials telling us what his ideology is, and let's 391 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 3: disregard the alleged killer's own words. 392 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 8: But Jimmy Kimmel wasn't done yet. 393 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 3: He even mocked President Trump's grief for Charlie. Now, President 394 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 3: Trump loved Charlie Kirk. Those close to him say he 395 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 3: saw him as another son. But this is what Jimmy 396 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 3: Kimmel had to say. 397 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 14: Is it not how an adult griefs the murder of 398 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,239 Speaker 14: somebody called a friend. This is how a four year 399 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 14: old mourns a goldfish. 400 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 3: Okay, how a four year old mourns a goldfish? You 401 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 3: know what, I'd forgive the callous, hateful miss Griant if 402 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 3: it was just a little bit funny. 403 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 8: He is supposed to be a comic. Now, this next 404 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 8: gal is. 405 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 3: Supposed to be some sort of a model. She was 406 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 3: a contestant on a show called America's Next Top. 407 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 8: Model about Charlie Kirk. He l liked terrorism Hi for 408 00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 8: a name. 409 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 9: The only thing that went wrong that day was that 410 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 9: Trump wasn't standing behind him getting a second hand bullet model. 411 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 3: She's as ugly on the inside as she is on 412 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 3: the outside. That brings me to Jamel Hill, the former 413 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 3: ESPN anchor, the race spacing simpleton who continues to lie 414 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 3: and engage in deliberate misinformation. Listen to what she says 415 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 3: about the man charged with murdering Charlie. 416 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 15: In the wake of Charlie's murder, there was an incredible 417 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 15: amount of angry discourse from the right, blaming the Democrats, 418 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 15: blaming liberals, saying. 419 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 8: You're the reason this happened. 420 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 4: Only to find out, surprise, twenty two year old white 421 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 4: dude love guns, raised by two parents, lived in a 422 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 4: good home. Dad as a minister, also a shriff. Didn't 423 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 4: check it in them boxes, y'all thought even checked Diddy. 424 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 3: Well, he checked the boxes I expected him to check. Jamel, 425 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 3: he's a far left transactivist lunatic who regurgitates the same 426 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 3: bs you do. He claims Charlie was spreading hate because 427 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 3: the Left called telling the truth hateful. His dad wasn't 428 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 3: a sheriff, but he did appear to come from a 429 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 3: decent family. Just shows that coming from a decent God 430 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 3: fearing family isn't enough to inoculate a sick mind from 431 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 3: toxic leftist indoctrination. And did Jamel really blame Republicans conservatives 432 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 3: for angry discourse? I mean, how dare we be angry 433 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 3: that a brilliant young man. 434 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 8: Was murdered in front of his children? 435 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 3: How dare we call out those celebrating this sickening act 436 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 3: of domestic terrorism? And beyond guard for those who claim 437 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 3: that this isn't a left or right issue, that this 438 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 3: isn't political, that there isn't a clear motive, those are 439 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 3: lies and not putting up with lies. We are not 440 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 3: tolerating the left's bold face lies and gas lighting, including 441 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 3: this from CBS. 442 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 13: Five days after Charlie Kirk's murder. The shooter's motive remains elusive, 443 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 13: no writings left behind, vague secondhand testimony that uncertainty and 444 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 13: the risk of drawing sweeping conclusions suggests the murder may 445 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 13: share similarities with recent violence not driven by an obvious 446 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 13: political ideology, no. 447 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 3: Clear ideology except Tyler Robinson told us precisely what his 448 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 3: ideology is and why he targeted Charlie Kirk. There is 449 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 3: zero mystery about the motives of Tyler Robinson or his 450 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 3: political ideology. The only question is who else may have 451 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 3: been involved. Now let's hear from the View. Here is 452 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 3: Whoopy Goldberg offering some sober analysis. She looks almost disappointed 453 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 3: that Charlie's message will only grow stronger. Remember it was 454 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 3: just a few years ago that Woopy was forced to 455 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 3: apologize to Turning Point USA for falsely linking Charlie's movement 456 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 3: to neo Nazis. The ladies of the View have done 457 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 3: plenty to incite the demented left. 458 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 16: And what assassins should always remember is just because you 459 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 16: take somebody out doesn't mean the message is going to stop, 460 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 16: and it's important to keep that in mind. 461 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 3: Now we've had plenty of examples of instant karma this 462 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 3: week as hate field individuals have got their come up 463 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 3: ands for celebrating a great man's assassination. 464 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 8: And here is another example. 465 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 3: This young man thought it was funny to turn up 466 00:27:42,400 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 3: to a memorial at Texas State University and do this. Incredible, 467 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 3: how tolerant the crowd there is of those antiques, But 468 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 3: he did get a dose of instant karma. 469 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 8: Shortly after that incident. 470 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 3: He was identified and promptly expelled from the university, and 471 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 3: I don't feel one bit sorry for him. You want 472 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 3: to engage in that type of cruelty, mocking not. 473 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 8: Just the murdered but those grieving his loss, you deserve 474 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 8: to get expelled. 475 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 3: Now, let's hear from ABC talking about the text messages 476 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 3: of this alleged killer. 477 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 8: Do you think they. 478 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 3: Reflected on how his language echoed that of mainstream leftist 479 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 3: figures from the media and the activist. 480 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 8: Class and Democrats. 481 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 3: No, Instead, they were marveling at how touching it all. 482 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: Was, what was on it. 483 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 6: But also it was very touching in a way that 484 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 6: I think many of us didn't expect, a very intimate 485 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 6: portrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the 486 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 6: suspect himself, with them repeatedly calling him his roommate who 487 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 6: was transitioning, calling him my love and I want to 488 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 6: protect you. 489 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 15: My love. 490 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 6: So it was this duality of someone who the attorney said, 491 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 6: not only jeopardized the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd, 492 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 6: but was doing it in front of children, which is 493 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 6: one of the aggravating circumstances of this case. And on 494 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 6: the other hand, he was speaking so lovingly about. 495 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 3: His partner joining me now is documentary filmmaker and commentator 496 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 3: Army Horowitz. Army, much of the media's reporting on this 497 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 3: issue has been appalling, and there's been no self reflection 498 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 3: about the role so many in the media played in 499 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 3: using lies and hyperbole to demonize a man like Charlie Kirk. 500 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 7: Yeah, no question about it. And look, obviously the lies 501 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 7: and the falsehoods of the media legion, and obviously there 502 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 7: is no self reflection. 503 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 5: Look, they obviously does any drop. 504 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 7: The ball is understanding the amount of of failure they 505 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 7: did on this issue in particular. Look, they're not they 506 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 7: don't hide their agenda, and that's all I'm asking you know, Look, 507 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 7: I'm asking a change your policies. Just hide your agenda 508 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 7: for us, right, just pretend, try to pretend to be 509 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 7: even handed. They can't even do that. And I think 510 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 7: that a great example of that is the trans issue, 511 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 7: because I think what we're seeing now is that this 512 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 7: was certainly motivated or possibly motivated by this this trans 513 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 7: issue because his boyfriend slash girlfriend was trans. 514 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 5: And the media continues to push. 515 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 7: The the idea of trans violence, but but not the 516 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 7: trans violence that we've talked about. Uh, this the example 517 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 7: of that, or the mass shootings we've seen at Christian 518 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 7: schools and other places by trans people. And in fact, 519 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 7: when I you know, we should do a second by 520 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 7: the way, on dumb crap that AI says, because I did, 521 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 7: you know, I want to do a cursory example, cursory 522 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 7: look on the amount of trans. 523 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 5: Violence we've seen, particularly. 524 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 7: Mass shooting of the past couple of years. And while 525 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 7: it gave me a number, it then couched it and 526 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 7: all these things like, well, yes, so you know there's 527 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 7: less trans violence than there is CIS gender violence, which 528 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,719 Speaker 7: I didn't ask for, by the way, and also, by 529 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 7: the way, is not true. And it comes to mass shootings, yes. 530 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 3: And also not that's true when you look at percentages. 531 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 3: That's the key point. Of course, there's going to be. 532 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,719 Speaker 8: More CIS if you're going to use that language. 533 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 3: But we're talking about a very small percentage of the 534 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 3: population that is overrepresented in these sorts of crimes, particularly 535 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 3: in the last few years Army, and I think denying 536 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 3: that it is part of the problem. If we're going 537 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 3: to actually be tackling these issues in any meaningful way, 538 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 3: we need to be having uncomfortable conversations centered on the 539 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 3: truth and that was really what Charlie kirk. 540 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 8: Was all about. 541 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 7: That's right, and they want to hide the truth. And 542 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 7: the last point I'll make about the trans violence is 543 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 7: that there isn't and I'll go to quickly to Kirk 544 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 7: himself and the lies about him, But they do want 545 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 7: to push the agenda of, you know, trans people being 546 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 7: killed in significantly larger numbers than since people, which is 547 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 7: simply not true. I actually did the work on this. 548 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 7: I looked into it in the past couple of years, 549 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 7: and I've only been a very very small handful of 550 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 7: trans people who had been murdered because they were trans, 551 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 7: and by the way, the vast majority of them were 552 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 7: black women killed by black men. There is not a 553 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 7: single example that I could find riata of a MAGA supporter, 554 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 7: of a Trump supporter killing a trans person. 555 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 5: Yet this is the narrative. 556 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 7: Being pushed by the media, which was leads to this 557 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 7: culture of self aggrievance that we've seen, which leads to 558 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 7: this violence that we saw with Charlie Kirk, right, because 559 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 7: I was the lie made about him. So, yes, the 560 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 7: lies about Charlie kirk art legion, they're so significant in 561 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 7: fact that FactCheck dot org, a leftist organization which lies 562 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 7: all the time, including about me, including about Skytis Australia 563 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 7: had to actually do a list of things that were 564 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 7: lied about Charlie Kirks, so much of it was out there. 565 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 7: They called him, for example, a white supremacist. He was 566 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 7: the opposite of white supremacist right. He fought and kicked 567 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 7: out a group from Turning Point called the Groypers, who 568 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 7: are actually white supremacist. He was called Stephen King, whose books, 569 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 7: by the way, I will never read again said he 570 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 7: wanted to stone gay people, another massive scirlist lie against him. 571 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 7: They talked about his Asian hate zero untrue, and they 572 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,479 Speaker 7: talked about his anti Semitism and as a Jew, I 573 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 7: think I'm my antennas are kind of up about that 574 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 7: he was a supporter of Israel. He was a Philo, 575 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 7: semi read up. And the only example they can use 576 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 7: for him saying something ani Semitic was he said Jewish 577 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 7: money was involved in liberal causes causing more any semitism 578 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 7: fact check true. Not any Semitic. Things that are true 579 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 7: are not racist or any Semitic. 580 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 5: They are what we call facts. 581 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 3: Absolutely and as on Asians, and I can speak about that. 582 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,959 Speaker 8: He was a. 583 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 3: Huge campaigner for having some sort of meritocracy in the 584 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 3: entrance systems of universities because Asians are amongst the biggest 585 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 3: group who a disadvantage when you are not getting in 586 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 3: on merit on what your academic achievement is, but what 587 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 3: minority box other than Asian that you're ticking. Now, Tyler 588 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 3: Robinson is facing the death penalty. Tell me about the 589 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 3: charges he faced today and the FBI's efforts in particular 590 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 3: to uncover anyone else who may have been complicit in 591 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 3: this act of political violence. 592 00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 7: Yeah, He's charged with a number of things, including the 593 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 7: capital felony of a greed murder, which is the single 594 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 7: largest charge you can have in Utah, which is basically 595 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 7: it can range from the death sentence to life imprisonment. 596 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 7: And by the way, I'm not sure, while I'm certainly 597 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 7: a supporter of the death penalty in certain cases, and 598 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 7: I think this might this might in fact be one 599 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 7: of the cases I would support it in because he 600 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 7: wasn't just trying to kill somebody. 601 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 5: He was trying to start a war. 602 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 7: He's trying to tear up the fabric of this country 603 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 7: apart by this killing. But I'm not sure which his works, 604 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 7: Which is him having the death penalty or sitting in 605 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 7: jail for since he's twenty one, maybe upwards of seventy 606 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 7: years watching what he tried to kill actually take root 607 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 7: in this country and bloom and I'm talking about the. 608 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 5: Ideals of Charlie Kirk. 609 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 7: We've seen across the world, not just the country, the 610 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 7: world people picking up the mantle of Charlie Kirk. So 611 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 7: maybe it'll be worse for him to see that live 612 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 7: for the rest of his long life in jail. 613 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 5: I'm not sure. But I think what's even more interesting. 614 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 7: Because I think with Tyler Robinson, it's pretty clear cut. 615 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 7: The evidence seems in terms of DNA and evidence, it's 616 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 7: all seems that he will in fact be prosecuted and 617 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 7: he will go to jail or be killed for this. 618 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 7: But I think what's interesting is the FBI is looking 619 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 7: into accomplices or people who are who have actually hid 620 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 7: the evidence right, And I think that if you go 621 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 7: into this chat group that he had, I think a 622 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 7: lot of things start happening. First all, chalk this up 623 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 7: to things on the internet. 624 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 5: Never go away. Folks. 625 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 7: You may try to delete it, but how dumb are 626 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 7: you not to know that this thing is still sitting 627 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 7: on some server somewhere in the air. But I guess 628 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 7: they don't know how tech works, even though they're all, 629 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 7: you know, kind of involved in the tech world, right 630 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:48,720 Speaker 7: in the gaming world. 631 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 5: But look, there are numerous and numerous. 632 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 7: Examples of these people talking as long as a month 633 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 7: before this exact day of Charlie kirk assassination. 634 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 5: So that's either an incredible. 635 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 7: Coincidence, I believe an incredible coincidence, or they knew something 636 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 7: in advance. And I think this is all going to 637 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 7: come out because at the. 638 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 8: Least, Army, I think the FBI. 639 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 3: I think the FBI is going to track down every 640 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 3: single lead. They're not going to leave a single stone unturn. 641 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 3: Army Horowitz, thank you so much for your time. 642 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 8: Tonight, still to come, I'll. 643 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 3: Speak to a very special guest and a close friend 644 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 3: of Charlie kirkho will debunk a number of the lies 645 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,439 Speaker 3: you would have heard in the past week. The great 646 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 3: Dave Ruben is up next. Welcome back now. I'm delighted 647 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 3: to have this next guest back on the show following 648 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 3: is sold out tour with Jordan Peterson. Dave Ruben host 649 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 3: of The Reuben Report is returning to Australia this October 650 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 3: for three exclusive shows in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane. 651 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:05,800 Speaker 8: The dates are on the screen. 652 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 3: Get your tickets early before they sell out. 653 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 8: Dave, welcome back. 654 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 3: I wish we had brighton used to discuss tonight, but 655 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 3: the loss of your good friend Charlie Kirk has had 656 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 3: a profound impact on tens of millions in America and 657 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 3: around the world. Tell me how you're feeling and what 658 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,720 Speaker 3: you've learned in this past week. 659 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 17: Yeah, well, Rita, it's always good to see you. We 660 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,879 Speaker 17: used to do this a bit more often. I am 661 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 17: excited to come to Australia. And actually, the thing that 662 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 17: brought you and I together years ago when I was 663 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 17: doing when we were doing a lot of shows together, 664 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 17: was the thing that brought Charlie and I together. We 665 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 17: just wanted to talk about things. We wanted to talk 666 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 17: about the hot button issues of the day and debate them. 667 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 17: And years ago, when Charlie and I met first in 668 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 17: twenty seventeen, I was a man of the left. He 669 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 17: was a man of the right, and he came up 670 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 17: to me at an event we did and he said, Hey, 671 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 17: let's go on tour together. Let's talk about everything, Let's 672 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 17: debate everything, Let's go to colleges, let kids ask us 673 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 17: whatever they want. Let's just battle it out the way 674 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,320 Speaker 17: you're supposed to battle it out in a free society, 675 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 17: which is with words, of course, not with bullets. And 676 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 17: Charlie and I did that dozens and dozens of times. 677 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 17: We were protested, and we had fire alarms pulled and 678 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 17: bomb threats and all of those things. Of course, nothing 679 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 17: like what happened this week, which you're right has now 680 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 17: I think affected hundreds of millions of people all over 681 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:26,280 Speaker 17: the world. 682 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 2: Charlie was a great human being, you know. 683 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 17: Putting aside the politics for a second, Charlie was undoubtedly 684 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 17: a good husband and a wonderful father, and his wife 685 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 17: is now a widow and his children will grow up 686 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 17: without a father. 687 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 2: He was a good human being who was. 688 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 17: Doing the thing that we're all told we should all do, 689 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 17: which is talk to the other side. Nobody from an 690 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,399 Speaker 17: American context did that more than Charlie Kirk. 691 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 2: That's what he devoted his life to. 692 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 17: Charlie would get hate from both sides because he was 693 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,240 Speaker 17: always trying to find. 694 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 2: New people to talk to. 695 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 17: To this day, I still I didn't agree with everything 696 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 17: Charlie said, but I will say, and this is a 697 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 17: great credit to his debate skills and his thoughtful way 698 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 17: of having nuanced conversations. I came a lot closer to 699 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 17: Charlie's opinions over the years than Charlie came to mind. 700 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,879 Speaker 17: I think I did move him on a couple of things, 701 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 17: but he definitely brought me more within let's say, a 702 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 17: wide ten conservative movement. 703 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 2: So it's a really this is a terrible. 704 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 17: Time for America, but I would say a terrible time 705 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 17: for the world, because you know, whatever happens in America, 706 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 17: as you know, it leaks across the entire world and 707 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,359 Speaker 17: can make it across an ocean and land in your 708 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 17: continent as well. And I just hope cooler heads can 709 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 17: prevail right now because there, you know, right now, we're 710 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 17: sort of as a country, we're going through a degree 711 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 17: of mourning, although there's a lot of people that are 712 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 17: quite angry too, and it just feels like we're kind 713 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 17: of sitting on a powder keg right now. If one 714 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 17: or two other weird things happen, it feels like all 715 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 17: bets are off, and I'm really devoting myself right now, 716 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,240 Speaker 17: my show and my upcoming tour in Australia to finding 717 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 17: the people that want to break bread again, that want 718 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 17: to figure out Okay, hey we're different, but we got 719 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:02,840 Speaker 17: to learn to live together. 720 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 2: And that's going to be my mission. 721 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:05,919 Speaker 17: I think it's the only way that I can honor 722 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 17: Charlie appropriately. 723 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 3: And I want to ask you about this notion that 724 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 3: we keep hearing, including in the Australian media, which just 725 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 3: regurgitates the MSNBC, CNN talking points. 726 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 8: This notion that Charlie Kirk. 727 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 3: Was deeply homophobic, it was hostile to the LGBT community. 728 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 3: You're gay, man, you were a friend of Charlie Kirk. 729 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 8: Can you please address that allegation? 730 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 17: Yeah, well, look, I happen to be gay. It's not 731 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 17: something that I even think. 732 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 2: About that often or anything else. You married at line 733 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,280 Speaker 2: and yours, we have kids. 734 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 17: It is what it is. We live a decent life 735 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 17: like most people, and Charlie. Look, Charlie, like millions of 736 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 17: other people, Charlie was entitled to his own personal religious beliefs. 737 00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 2: There's a video that maybe you've seen. 738 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 17: Elon Muskiven read it out in the last couple of 739 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 17: days where somebody started asking Charlie, you know, how can 740 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 17: you welcome Gaze into the conservative movement? And Charlie's answer 741 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 17: is so wonderfully thoughtful and the perfect example of what 742 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 17: Charlie was. Charlie makes a point of saying, Hey, I 743 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 17: have my own religious beliefs, but America is not a 744 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 17: religious theocracy. 745 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,399 Speaker 2: Did he want America to be. 746 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 17: To be restored with Judeo Christian values and did he 747 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 17: believe that he felt that his personal views were best 748 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 17: explained through Christianity. Well, the answer to that is absolutely yes. 749 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 17: But Charlie was not crusading against marriage equality. Charlie was 750 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 17: welcoming gay people into the conservative movement. By the way, 751 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 17: he was also doing that with black people and Hispanic 752 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 17: people and everyone else. I mean, all of the commentary 753 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 17: around this man is completely ridiculous. But I will tell 754 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,839 Speaker 17: you Charlie was at my house not too long ago. 755 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 17: My husband and I sat at weddings next to he 756 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 17: and his wife. We broke bread many many times. And again, 757 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 17: people are allowed their own personal religious beliefs. I, for one, 758 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,400 Speaker 17: would not force a religious institution to do anything that 759 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,800 Speaker 17: it didn't want to do. But that's the difference between 760 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,719 Speaker 17: a religious belief and a secular institution, which is the 761 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 17: government of the United States. And by the way, if 762 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 17: you can credit that sort of open idea that Charlie 763 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,760 Speaker 17: was presenting there, you can credit him for then bringing 764 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 17: that to MAGA, which then opened up enough so that 765 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,240 Speaker 17: Elon Musk and Joe Rogan and Bobby Kennedy and Tulca Gabbert, 766 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 17: all of these ex liberals, disaffected liberals like myself read 767 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,959 Speaker 17: I think a little bit like you could then come 768 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 17: and be part of MAGA. So no, he has nothing, 769 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,399 Speaker 17: There was no hatred in his heart. I would also 770 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,320 Speaker 17: make a quick distinction. 771 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 2: I think it's important the idea of the LGBT community. 772 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 17: People need to stop saying it because the l's and 773 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,759 Speaker 17: the g's and the b's have nothing to do with 774 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 17: the ts, and that that has become a political ideology 775 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,880 Speaker 17: more than a sexuality or a gender identity. 776 00:43:59,480 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 777 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And increasingly the lgb want to distance themselves from 778 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,399 Speaker 3: the rest of the alphabet. That just keeps increasing too. 779 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,879 Speaker 3: But I don't even know how many letters were up. 780 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:16,800 Speaker 8: Our two spirit. 781 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 3: Yes, we're supposed to start with two sp now, aren't 782 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,919 Speaker 3: you before you start the LGPT. 783 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 8: And then you've. 784 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,720 Speaker 3: Got the plus at the end, so it's infinite number 785 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 3: of letters that you could add to that that. 786 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 8: Can ask you to respond. 787 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 3: Please to this clip from Jimmy Kimmel, the painfully unfunny 788 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,319 Speaker 3: so called comic, had this to say on his late 789 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 3: night show. 790 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 1: We had some new. 791 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 14: Lows over the weekend with the Maga gang desperately trying 792 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 14: to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything 793 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 14: other than one of them, and everything they can to 794 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 14: score political points from it. 795 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 3: Dave, this kid was apparently a conservative, which must be 796 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,239 Speaker 3: news to him and his trans boyfriend. 797 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild. 798 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,840 Speaker 17: First off, Jimmy Kimmel exists as a quote unquote comedian, 799 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 17: and I use air quotes there because I've never heard 800 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 17: him say anything funny. But he exists as a political 801 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,279 Speaker 17: operative in some ways more than Charlie himself existed as 802 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 17: a political operative. Charlie was out there talking to people 803 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,319 Speaker 17: and open to ideas. Jimmy is doing a show where 804 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,319 Speaker 17: he makes I don't know, probably about fifteen MILLI year 805 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 17: to only force one political ideology down the throats of Americans. 806 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 2: No. 807 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,960 Speaker 17: No, the kid came from what sounds like a decent 808 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 17: two parent household that had some conservative values, and then 809 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,719 Speaker 17: he went to college and apparently became radicalized there and 810 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 17: then had I suppose a trans boyfriend and was pushed 811 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 17: into leftist ideology. 812 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 2: So the fact that Jimmy knows he can go up 813 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:44,479 Speaker 2: there and. 814 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,120 Speaker 17: Just lie to his audience, I mean, I would say 815 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 17: this goes to what I know you guys are dealing 816 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,919 Speaker 17: with in Australia, which we're certainly dealing with here, which 817 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:56,480 Speaker 17: is a massive misinformation war on the populace that the 818 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 17: people who control the strings of everything seem to think 819 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 17: they can just lie about absolutely everything, tell you up 820 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,360 Speaker 17: as down left is right, boys, girl, and get away 821 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,279 Speaker 17: with it. And to the extent that Jimmy Kimmel is 822 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 17: still on TV, I suppose they can. 823 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 2: Get away with it. 824 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 3: Well, they started with just straight out fakes. They put 825 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,879 Speaker 3: the alleged killer in a fake Trump T shirt and 826 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 3: that circulated and people saw that and believed it before 827 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 3: it was debunked. 828 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 8: And the lies continue. As you've just heard. 829 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:34,120 Speaker 3: Now, it's not just lies, it's utter ugly invective. Streamer 830 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 3: Stephen Bernell, known online as Destiny, he had this to 831 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 3: say about Charlie's murder and the political climate in America. 832 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,680 Speaker 18: If you wanted Charlie Kirk to be alive, Donald Trump 833 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 18: shouldn't have been president for the second term. Every time 834 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,160 Speaker 18: he's in office, this happens. People joked about when Biden 835 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,200 Speaker 18: came in. It was so boring, nothing was going on. 836 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,360 Speaker 18: Seven out of ten of the largest protests in American 837 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 18: history have happened under Donald. 838 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 3: And he also defended mocking Erica Kirk, Charlie's grieving widow. 839 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 18: You're going to weaponize somebody's grief against the other party, 840 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,799 Speaker 18: But then, of course people have a right to fight 841 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 18: back against it. I think that she has every right 842 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 18: to grieve in whatever way she wants, but when that 843 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 18: grief is going to be weaponized to do recruitment, political recruitment, 844 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,360 Speaker 18: and further radicalization on the other side. 845 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,040 Speaker 2: But of course, you not only. 846 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 18: Have the ability to mark I think you have the 847 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 18: obligation of market It's insane. 848 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,120 Speaker 3: There you go, Dave, you have the obligation to mock her, 849 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,440 Speaker 3: a grieving widow who has to explain to a three 850 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,080 Speaker 3: year old child why her daddy is never coming home. 851 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean, I would say this is shocking, except 852 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 17: I've seen enough clips of this guy endorsing violence and 853 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 17: saying all sorts of crazy things for years that I'm 854 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,120 Speaker 17: not surprised at all. 855 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,080 Speaker 2: There are other streamers. 856 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,400 Speaker 17: I think you've probably heard of this guy, Hassan Piker, 857 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,680 Speaker 17: who's huge on Twitch, who's literally called for violence, blood 858 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 17: in the street, violence of capitalists, who is still on 859 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 17: that platform. I would say, broadly, without making it about 860 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,719 Speaker 17: a specific person, I mean, we shouldn't be surprised by 861 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:09,000 Speaker 17: any of this. I mean, the left in America has 862 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:13,200 Speaker 17: purged all of the decent liberals. It has become a 863 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:18,520 Speaker 17: radical party that is trying to usher in Marxist and communism, Marxism, 864 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,240 Speaker 17: communism and socialism. And by the way, they finally admit 865 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,680 Speaker 17: that themselves. You know, years ago they started calling themselves democrats, socialists, 866 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,879 Speaker 17: they don't really even say the Democrat partymore. Now they're 867 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 17: outright socialists. And then when you combine what I know 868 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:32,840 Speaker 17: you have in your country too, with the mark you know, 869 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,960 Speaker 17: these Moss marches and everything else, you get this crazy 870 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,960 Speaker 17: red Green alliance. And what do they have in common? 871 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,399 Speaker 17: What do the Queers for Palestine have in common. 872 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,360 Speaker 2: With the UH? I don't know. 873 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,400 Speaker 17: The perceived depressed Palestinians it's that they would love to 874 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,840 Speaker 17: take out Western society. 875 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,200 Speaker 2: That's what they have in common. That's it. So it 876 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 2: is not. 877 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 17: Surprising that these people would either endorse violence or mock 878 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,400 Speaker 17: those who have just lost their loved ones because of violence. 879 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,239 Speaker 17: It's actually a fairly obvious extension of everything else that 880 00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:02,239 Speaker 17: they tell us. 881 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,200 Speaker 3: Dave Reuben, we can't wait to see you in Australia 882 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:07,759 Speaker 3: next month. 883 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,200 Speaker 8: Thank you so much for your time tonight. 884 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:11,839 Speaker 2: Thank you, Rita, and. 885 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 3: That's it from me. I'll see you at eleven tomorrow night. 886 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,320 Speaker 3: Newsnight is up next