WEBVTT - Outsiders | 7 July 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:09.360 Love. 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:16.919 This is outside. Good morning, and welcome to Outsiders. 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:22.240 The show that is to woke identity politics, cowardice, appeasing 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:28.000 your enemies, moral relativism, and unhinged progressive priorities. 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:34.680 What Joe Biden is to good government America is back 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:36.479 high inflation rate and the name is a. 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.920 Polic order is collapsating clime of COVID infections. 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.879 We amplify our power, We summon the new strength. 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:46.720 This is a recruitment and would be embarrassed to promise. 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:50.880 Now the Taliban are back. Cobo was not in an 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:52.519 imminent threat environment. 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.240 The likelihood there is going to be the Taliban overrunning 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.480 everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:02.279 In the whole country now the Taliban Taliban are now 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:04.320 in complete control of Afghanistan. 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:05.760 Came out. 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:10.000 Yes, this is just one of many online posts from 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:11.120 Trump's supporters. 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.360 How did President Biden get this so wrong? 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:16.560 First of all, the mission hasn't filmed. 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:21.640 Yeah, if this isn't failure, what does failure look like? 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:22.280 Exactly? 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.479 You're just try not I'm getting I know where. 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:30.319 I'll tell you what. These days, the ads for Trump 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:32.280 pretty much right themselves. 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:33.880 I feel like. 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:41.040 Do get foot out everybody. 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:43.280 We have to ask the Taliban for permission for American 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:44.039 citizens to leave. 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.160 True or not true, They are in control. 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:49.920 I can't think you've anyone better to lead this operation 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:50.920 than them. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:55.920 And we're just chanting death to Amanda yourself. 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:00.880 What a disgrace. 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.000 Well, we've got a great show coming up for you today, 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.080 so buckle yourself in for the ride. But first let's 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:08.200 grab the latest Outsiders news. 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:16.560 Well, is there an early election in the air, James 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:21.320 and Rita? Could Albo be planning in August election? This 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:24.480 is the scuttle butt that's out there on social media 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.440 this morning. Our friend Andrew Clanell has just. 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.680 Said, has just been on absolutely no way, Rita. 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.840 But PVO Peter van Onnsklin there on the Daily Mail 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:37.520 is convinced or suggesting that we could be seeing an 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:42.160 early election as the Albanese government slowly falls apart. 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:44.120 I added that bit that's not Peter's words. 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:47.320 Rita. Well, there were rumors earlier in the week as well, 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.640 and Treasurer Jim Chalmers said no, no, no, there's none 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.800 none of that. We're not to have any such plans. 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:57.520 But these rumors do persist, and well placed sources are 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:02.280 saying this is something that's perhaps being thought about at 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.760 the highest levels. Obviously, the interest rate situation in this 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.520 country is a concern for the Albanesi government. They were 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.240 hoping for four or five cuts this year, but it 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.000 looks like interest rates might be going the other direction 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:18.240 because inflation is now four percent, So that is obviously 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:21.639 a huge consideration because cost of living pressures are already 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:25.440 biting hard and we've got yet another interest rate rise. 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:29.920 That's really going to be fairly grim for the Albanesi government. 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:33.840 And when I started hearing talk about wedding plans, I 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:35.680 thought there's an election on the one. 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:39.600 James, welcome back, Thank you. So how was the States? 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:41.200 We want to hear all the States was great. 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:43.280 We'll be talking a bit more about the States and 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.840 some of the shenanigans that have been going on in 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.840 that Biden White House a little bit later on in 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.280 the program. But yeah, no, it's great to be back here. 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.760 But I will say this August thirty first election not 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.520 going to happen. A couple of reasons for that. Number one, 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:01.200 you've got a reserve back meeting first week of August, 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.440 so you know they don't want to have that happening 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.480 in the middle of an election campaign. Number two, You've 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:10.560 got Queensland. Queensland's going to an election. Everybody in Queensland's 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:13.520 got their baseball bats out there for that labor government. 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:17.280 Albo does not want to get in the way of that. 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.880 No sure, but the argument would be that the longer 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:20.839 Alban easy. 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.520 Police, he'll he'll go a bit later in the year. 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:26.280 He is not going to go to the full term 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:28.159 to March or May or whenever next year. 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:28.920 Not on your life. 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:31.960 But yeah, after Queensland would make sense if he wants 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:35.840 to go early. You're right, you wouldn't give Queensland as 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:39.560 a reason to bash you first before they go after Smiley. 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:45.360 But after the Queensland election, that would make sense because absolutely, yeah, 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.520 an interest rate increase, possibly in August, will be bad, 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:50.920 but two three more would be really bad. 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:53.480 The thing is, too, is all of this stuff here 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:57.120 follow the economic argument they're making. Everybody sees through this. 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:01.479 Everybody knows that this government is is basically lying to 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.920 them when they say, oh, no, we're giving you inflation relief, 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.360 but it's not inflationary. It's this magic sort of credit 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.520 that doesn't actually wind up pushing up price to ejecting 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:14.400 more money into the economy. And I think the RBA, 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:16.960 after they said the whole thing at the budget about 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:18.960 we're going to put the three hundred dollars against your 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:22.200 power bill before giving it to you, that was a 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:24.440 way to try and gave inflation. I think the RBA 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.960 seeds through that, and there's going to be a lot 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.039 of temptation there to punish them. 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.279 Well, whenever the election comes, it can't come soon enough. 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:33.960 We have to get rid of this out of an 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.000 easy government. We have to at least push it into 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.680 minority status. But I would prefer see a complete change 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:44.240 of government. Already, the nuclear argument seems to be reversing 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:47.600 now and running in the favor of the coalition. There's 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.599 a poll that has come out which shows that even 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:55.880 in the Teal seats people are turning towards the nuclear idea. 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.080 And of course they would, because the Teal seats were 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:04.240 all predicated on pretty wealthy people who believe in the 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:08.360 climate cult idea, but who want to see us get 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.560 to net zero. The quickest way, as any intelligent person 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.720 realizes who knows basic science, is the quickest way to 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:17.240 get to net zero is to have a source of 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:23.640 reliable and reliable base load power so we can use 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.599 forever and which we have an abundance of and that 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:28.280 is nuclear power in Australia. 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.440 But what's interesting, Reta. 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.880 Is you see in the teal seats the figures are 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:38.200 changing and moving towards nuclear, but still the Albanesi government 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.000 is pushing this ridiculous scare campaign. 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.719 Well, of course they are, because they have gone down 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:48.960 the renewaballs road very heavily, and there's a lot of 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:52.479 people who have invested a great deal of money expecting 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:57.479 those taxpayer subsidies and guarantees. There's so much market intervention 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.359 in the renewable sector. It is so to me rotten 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:04.440 because you're not letting the market decide. If this was 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.520 actually the cheapest form of energy, if it made sense, 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:11.320 it was sustainable, long term provided base load power that 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:14.960 a first world economy needs, then you wouldn't need these 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:19.679 tax bay subsidies to so straight up, So of course 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:24.240 they're terrified of this. They've put everything into the renewables basket. 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:28.560 And as we've discussed, if you've got nuclear reactors and 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:34.160 you've got reliable, cheap, clean energy, why do you need 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:44.640 to be polluting the countryside with windmills and solar. It 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:49.640 really corrupts that entire process of saying we're going to 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.600 have this transfer to renewables. Why would you do that 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.960 if you've got nuclear as an option and you're sitting 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.960 on the world's biggest reserves of uranium. That's all. 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.160 Listen to Peter Dutton yesterday talking about it. 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:08.080 The choice between Labour's reckless renewables only policy that will 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:11.480 see the energy bills of Australians saw even more than 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:16.440 what people have already experienced. All the coalions plan for cheaper, 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:20.680 cleaner and consistent energy, which includes Australia becoming a nuclear 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.720 powered nation, a visionary policy unlike any put forward by 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:25.080 a political part of this century. 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.280 The only argument James, that I would put forward for 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:32.440 Albow going earlier to the polls is because the longer 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.480 the nuclear debate runs, it's just like the voice, the 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:38.120 more and more people yes start to go, oh, actually 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:39.719 this looks quite good, this nuclear thing. 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.840 I'm going to go the nuclear rate it would. 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:43.800 Be rong And I'm so glad that you said that. 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:47.319 You are absolutely spot on. What is happening right now 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.280 is the voice two point oh, there are so many 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.679 similarities to this. You know, you can see it in 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.240 the way the polls started out on this. You know, people, 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:57.960 I'm not so sure about nuclear and so on, but 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.080 just relentlessly prosper if you do the case. You know, 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.840 in the same way that you said, and the Dutton 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.720 and the Coalition and Advanced all said this voice thing 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:11.320 is ultimately destructive for Australia and it will make life 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.760 in Australia worse. The same thing goes for Chris Bowen's 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.760 renewables plan. Now, the tricky political thing for Dutt is 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.199 that the best way through the polls is to say 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:24.240 we're going to do nuclear end renewables, because if we 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.320 start to turn it into a fight between those two, 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.080 labor starts to get an upper hand. So the key 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:33.400 for Dutted is to say nuclear, compliments renewables and compliments 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:37.319 gas and compliments this suite of energy policies. That's how 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.439 he gets it over the line. And if the energy 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:41.719 bills go up again, energy bills is going to keep 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:45.120 going up. You know, if renewables really were the cheapest 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:48.120 form of energy, why is it that our power bills 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.800 keep going up? Right there? We know this and we 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.600 know that the CSIRO through there gen and cost report. 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.080 We know that all the assumptions that they made that 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:59.800 went into that wound up making it look very much 0:09:59.880 --> 0:10:02.839 like renewables were cheap. We know our lived experience to 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:06.640 use a phrase left gloves. Doesn't you know agree with that? 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.839 And so that's the challenge. I think this becomes Voice 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:13.880 two point zero for Peter Dott and renewables are now 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.680 the big idea that they had after the Voice lost, 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:18.000 and they're going to lose this one. 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.160 Too, absolutely. But Reacher, I love the idea. 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.840 I just want to move on from this to Chris Bowen, 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.040 the Coalition's secret weapon. 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.280 By the way, Chris Boone saying, love this story, Love 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:29.720 this story. 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:33.960 There's a guy called Frank Carbone or Carbone out there 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.280 in the Western suburbs. He is the mayor of Fairfield 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:39.560 and he wants to run against Chris Bowen at the 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.200 next election. Well, I love this because Chris Bowen will 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:47.040 be defeated by someone whose name is Carbon. Carbon defeats Bowen. 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.720 It couldn't be any sweeter. Bring that election on, and 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.199 I want to be there when those votes are counted 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.559 and Bowen goes down to CO two itself. 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:57.160 I love it. 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.280 Interesting discuss Russian James like to get your opinion on this. 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:03.920 On populism. 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.200 So there was an article by Paul Kelly in the 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:09.040 newspaper deriding so called populism. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.880 This really gets my goat, as it. 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:16.600 Were, because to me, populism is simply democracy, and by 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.560 that I mean if enough people vote for a party, 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.559 then that party wins and the wishes of the electorate 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:24.400 make their way into parliament. 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:26.280 Am I naive here, James? 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.200 Yeah, no you are, because of course populism is what 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.559 the people want. When what the people want disagrees with 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:37.520 what the establishment wants, you see, so now establishment wins. 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:38.679 It's democracy. 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.360 Actually, it's more the democracy role and read it, it's 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:48.680 our democracy, Joe Bider democracy. Everything outside is far right. 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.640 All right, here's something really interesting, and I think we 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:53.640 this comes into saying that we've talked about a lot 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.920 of this program. Every single place where you see popular 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:00.439 populace the far right, you know, oh this man on 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.600 the far right, it is because people are sick of 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:08.839 basically mass open borders migration, and they say, hang on, stop, 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.840 this is having all sorts of negative effects. Green policies 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.160 and green policies, but it's really in Europe where this 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:19.080 migration issue is driving all of this vote to the right, 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:23.640 and it is impossible for this establishment to say, you know, 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.040 maybe we should actually give the people what they want 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:27.960 and not have them go to the far right and 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.680 maybe do what they want. But instead they keep trying 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:34.840 to deal the populace out of the equation in Germany, 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.280 trying to make them even illegal in some countries. 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:41.960 Well, I think this is a really disappointing pace from 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:46.559 someone you would expect more from, just really lacks such 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:51.440 lax understanding, lax depth. It's the latest. It really is 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:53.920 such a disappointing this sort of thing you'd expect to say, 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.760 I don't know in the Huffington Post or Crikey. So 0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:03.959 I was surprised. Yes, there is a revolt against the 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.679 open border policies that have impacted people's living standards, as 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.400 a revolt against the green policies that have sent people 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:13.360 into energy poverty. But this goes wider than that. I mean, 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.760 you could call what's happening in Argentina populism, call what's 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.839 happening in Ol Salvador, which was a reaction to the 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:23.640 insane crime rate there, which has been solved. And what 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:27.320 I really dislike about this piece about is that it's 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:31.560 grievance devoid of genuine solutions. That's not the case. You 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:33.480 look at what's happening in our Salvador, you look at 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.600 what's happening Argentina, you look at what's happening throughout Europe. 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:40.079 There are solutions and people are voting for those solutions. 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:44.360 If you took that argument that any sort of democracy 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.839 that I don't like is populism and you know, born 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:52.480 out of ag grievance, well, was the Obama phenomenon populism? 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.079 Because you would argue that. 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.360 Was in the UK? Is that. 0:13:58.000 --> 0:13:58.559 Fascinating? 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:02.760 What about the one million votes garnered by Joe Biden? 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:03.679 Was that popular? 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:04.080 Popular? 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:05.880 But no, that was something else, but we won't go 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:06.320 into that. 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:11.680 Yeah, just when people it's those key words people choose, 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:17.040 like intersectionality, when they announce their pronouns to you, when 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:21.200 they say populism without irony, I just the red flags 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.200 go up, The red flags go up. 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.480 Now, let's quickly go talk about the UK election. Got 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:28.640 some great guests coming up. We've got Toby Young here 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.920 in the studio. Shortly, we've got Mike Duran, Will talk 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.360 about American politics with later in the show. But here's 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:37.560 Rishi Sunak apologizing, I guess for not being populist enough. 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:43.920 I have heard your anger, your disappointment, and I take 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:45.920 responsibility for this loss. 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:46.800 I am sorry. 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.160 I have given this job my are but you have 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.080 sent a clear signal that the government of the United 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:55.800 Kingdom must change. 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.000 Sorry, he hasn't heard the anger. 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.360 Otherwise he would have done something in the last couple 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:04.800 of years about the outrageous illegal immigration asylum seeking pouring 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:07.680 across the Channel into Britainy would have done something about it. 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.040 But no, they didn't. I love this breeza when politicians 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:13.600 after the event, after they've been trounced, after they've ignored. 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:17.360 Every single commentator or opinion piece or whatever they told 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:19.000 and they were on the wrong track. So no, I'm sorry, 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:19.560 I hear you. 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:23.200 Now, No, and they don't. And the Tories deserve everything 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.720 they copped and everything that's coming to them. They'll be 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.120 lucky to be a party of the next election. They 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:33.360 have betrayed their voters. They won with a massive landslide 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:38.000 post Brexit, and then they governed like labor. They introduced 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:42.920 these crazy green policies. They promised to have migration into 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.840 tens of thousands. Last year it was a million. 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.480 It's been not only reader, no, it's you know, the 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.920 people voted very clearly in a referendum we want Brexit. 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.240 Do they give them Brexit? No, they give them David Caerron, 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:57.880 you know, they say we want custom immigration. 0:15:58.000 --> 0:15:58.640 Do they get there? 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.800 No? They all share around that, you know, and let's 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.760 not forget the other thing that was just horrendous was 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.080 the huge COVID locked outs. You know, the COVID policies 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:08.840 that they did. 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:10.760 They were having passed whilst. 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.480 They were having parties, so they deserve everything. Note here 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:16.840 all of these headlines saying, oh, it's a labor landslide, Well, 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:20.600 that's the first past the post system. But Labor increased 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:24.080 its vote by I think two percent and the Reform 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.720 Party took almost all of the Conservative vote away from it. 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.560 So it is not that the UK is shifting left. 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:33.040 It's just that's how the votes fell. 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:36.600 Fascinating great thing where you've got thirty five percent of 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.000 the vote going to labor, but they get something like 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.680 sixty five percent of the seats. So that but that's 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:44.200 the first part of the post system. 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.240 That's what it is also because Reform held three quarters Cots. 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:51.240 But Garaga's strategy, from what we understand, was always a 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:55.360 two election strategies and he's got a foothold in there. 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.000 And now if he can bring the Tories into the 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:04.560 fold and actually have a vible Conservative party that's genuinely conservative, 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.800 not just conservative in name, so the people of Britain 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.000 are actually represented. I feel so sorry for that. I mean, 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.760 this is like Victoria on steroids, where we really actually 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.680 don't have a choice when we go to the polling booth, 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.360 and these people don't have a choicepeacause. 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:22.440 The fascinating thing reader about the election was that the populism, 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.320 if you like, all the popular mood or the excitement 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.960 was generated around Nigel Farage and Reform. That's where those 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:33.080 Trump style rallies were. That's where people are getting excited. 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.480 There's no enthusiast that there's no one really desperately excited 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.359 to have Keir Starmer in number ten. No one is 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:42.119 really particularly excited. It was just an inevitable result. 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.080 But you're right reath to look at the next election. 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:49.520 Nigel Farage is going to build a proper opposition to Labor, 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:53.600 proper conservative opposition. Have a listen to Nigel Farage. 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:58.040 This labor government will be in trouble very very quickly. 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:03.680 We will now be targeting labor votes. We're coming for 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.920 labor being no doubt about that. This is just the 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:12.000 first step of something that is going to stun all 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:12.240 of you. 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.680 And have a listened to this guy, James mcmurdoch, who 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.200 won unexpectedly the fifth seat. 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.119 There for them. Sorry it's night. Have listened to Nigel 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.400 talking to our candidate. 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:27.720 James mcmurdoch was a paper candidate, drafted it at the 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:31.200 last minute, former city boy, and he was an absolutely 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:34.040 neck and neck with Labor in the scene. So I 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:35.600 rang him up head. I said, look, give me the 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.080 name your agent so I can find out what's happening 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.119 because they were on the third recount. He said, I 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.480 haven't got an agent. I'm my own agent. I said, well, 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:44.960 who's in the hall watching the vote counting? He said, 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.000 my mum and dad and he's one is an MP. 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:52.600 Go on, my son, populism. That is populism, James. 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:55.080 Well, that's democracy and I mean it's and so all 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:57.280 of these people getting the vapors about it, like oh 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.560 my god, the people voted for something that they wanted 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.080 because we aren't happed with how the political class is governing. 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:04.800 This is what we're seeing around the world. This is 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:06.919 what this show is all about. This is why this 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.840 show exists is because there is this political establishment that 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:14.840 refuses to give people what they want or what people want. 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:19.000 It's not populism, it's just democracy. Live with it, come 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:20.240 up with better ideas. 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:24.800 Absolutely, But Rita, there has been as well in part 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:30.080 of this election, a strong Islamic Muslim candidates have been elected. 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:33.520 We're seeing here shades of that here with Fatima Payman. 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:36.439 Whether that will be a new party or a lobby 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:38.040 group or whatever it's called here. 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:40.440 Not in WI she's type. 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.760 Have a listen to this character ad Than husseyin who 0:19:44.800 --> 0:20:06.399 is elected in the British election. Feel the love and 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.000 the inclusion reader, I feel all warm. 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:14.040 And we played the clips on this program a couple 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.159 of weeks ago of Keir Starmer sitting down with Sadik 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:22.240 Khan and talking about introducing more laws, more anti free 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:24.919 speech laws to curb what he calls the rise in 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.920 Islamophobia since October seven. So that's what he sees is 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:31.840 a big issue in the UK. So get ready Britain, 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:37.360 because yes, the Tories were hopeless, but this labor government 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:41.679 that's going You look at what the individual MP's and 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:44.440 the ones who are going to be in cabinet, what 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:47.440 their track record is, what they have said on the record. 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:52.439 These are radical individuals. This is not a moderate labor party. 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:54.399 If you think the alb and Easy government is a 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:58.719 little bit radical, this slot they're Corbyn's party. Corbyn may 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:02.199 not be heading it, Corbyn's party and I think we 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:04.840 are just going to see all sorts of things there 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:08.720 that are going to alarm the community. And if Nigel 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:11.879 Farage can remain interested in the role and stay there, 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:14.680 because let's not forget, yes, he got like fourteen percent 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:16.120 of the vote, it was only a three or four 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:20.119 week campaign. So if he actually stay there for the 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:24.359 stretch and builds a coalition and can actually vet the 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:28.600 candidates and not you get around all those issues, he's 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:30.680 going to have a lot of ammunition to deal with. 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:34.480 He's the bloke basically single handedly took on the entire 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:35.719 European establishment. 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.000 He'll take on this mob. I have no doubt about that. 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:41.560 Talk about Hutzpur, we had the Australian government lecturing the 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:45.000 Israeli government on how to defend themselves. On We'll chat 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:46.840 to David Adler and a tick about that, and of 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:50.840 course Reta's reality check well coming up here on Outsiders. 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:51.160 In a tick. 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:05.560 Welcome back. You're watching Outsiders with your host Rowan Dean, 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:10.159 James Morrow, and I'm Rita Patty And shortly we're going 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:13.399 to be talking to doctor David Adler about some of 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:16.240 the may and we have been seeing in our streets. 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:19.520 But first, let's ponder for a moment about the woman 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:23.600 who is one geriatric heartbeat away from the presidency and 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:27.760 has been deemed the future of the Democratic Party. 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:32.640 President Kamala Harris is because she is indeed the future of. 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:33.400 The party. 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:37.280 And what a party it will be led by this 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:44.000 intellectual heavyweight, this visionary. 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:49.800 We are watched the television coverage of just yesterday. That's 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:52.200 on top of everything else that we know and don't 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:55.120 know yet based on what we've just been able to see. 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:57.119 And because we've seen it or not doesn't mean it 0:22:57.119 --> 0:22:57.880 hasn't happened. 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:03.840 As President, Kamala Harris is a real possibility not to 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:07.160 be elected. She is unelectable, but they may convince Joe 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:10.200 Biden to step down and elevate her to the position 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:13.960 of the most powerful human being in the world in 0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:17.200 the lead up to the election. Why they would contemplate 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:19.800 such a move when the polls show that Harris would 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:23.080 lose by an even bigger margin to Trump than Biden. Well, 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:27.680 I can't answer that. The Democrats are demented and increasingly desperate, 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:31.639 so anything is possible. But let's go back to Kamala 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:35.919 who you know, she's out there on these streets. 0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:39.199 Yeah girl, I'm out here in these streets. And let 0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:41.880 me tell you you're right, Taraji. There is so much 0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:45.120 at stake in this moment. The majority of us believe 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:50.840 in freedom and equality. But these extremists, as they say. 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:51.600 They're not like us. 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:53.440 Yeah girl, I'm out here in these streets. 0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:58.440 Yeah girl, I'm out here on these streets. She released 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:02.040 that cringe worthy out this week, but I guess it's 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:05.520 just a little bit better than this cringe worthy performance. 0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:09.920 To the lovely people of Wakanda, I know you will 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:16.800 make the right choice. And as always, Wakanda forever paid 0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:18.000 for by Kamala Harris. 0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:25.520 You know, Kamala is the wisdom. What other leader could 0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:29.879 bestow such gems of wisdom on the populace. 0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:33.399 You think you just fell out of a coconut tree. 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:51.960 You exist in the context around and round. I'm talking 0:24:51.960 --> 0:24:55.320 about the significance of the passage of time, right, the 0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:58.800 significance of the passage of time. So when you think 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:02.080 about it, there is eight significance to the passage of time. 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:06.119 Here's the thing. Who doesn't love a yellow school bus? 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:06.520 Right? 0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:08.760 Can you raise your hand if you love a yellow 0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:09.359 school buss? 0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:11.359 Right, you guys are gonna see it. 0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:15.080 You're gonna literally see the craters on the moon. 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:19.879 With your own eyes, with your own eyes, I'm telling you. 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:25.080 She looks at me, and she says, oh, look at you. 0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:26.919 You're pretty in than you're on television. 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:27.840 Mine. Look at her. 0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:36.040 No, I love ven diagrams, I really do. I love 0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:39.520 ven diagrams. It's just something about those three circles. 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:42.640 And that's enough. That's enough. We could be here all 0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:46.119 day looking at Kamala being an absolute clown show. But 0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:49.399 let's not forget this is a woman who encouraged the 0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:54.240 lawlessness we saw in twenty twenty. She raised bail money 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:57.680 for those arrested during the BLM riots across America. 0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:02.320 They're not they're not going to stop, and that this 0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:05.480 is a movement. I'm telling you they're not going to stop. 0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:09.000 And everyone beware because they're not going to stop. 0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:10.040 It going to They're not. 0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:12.439 Gonna stop before election day in November, and they're not 0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:14.080 going to stop after election day. 0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:17.560 Turns out they did pretty much stop after the election. 0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:21.280 Funny about that, but imagine if Tulsa Gabbett was the 0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:25.480 future of the Democratic Party instead of Kamala Harris. Remember 0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:29.760 this golden moment Back in twenty nineteen. During the Democrats' 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:31.520 presidential debate. 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:35.240 Senator Harris says she's proud of her record as a 0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:37.720 prosecutor and that she'll be a prosecutor president. But I'm 0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:41.359 deeply concerned about this record. There are too many examples 0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:43.919 to cite. But she put over fifteen hundred people in 0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:46.640 jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when 0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:49.400 she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana. 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:53.200 She blocked evidence. She blocked evidence that. 0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:56.400 You would have freed amn innocent man from death row 0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:59.200 until the courts forced her to do so. She kept 0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:02.120 people in prison beyond their sentences to use them as 0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:05.200 cheap labor for the state of California. 0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:07.160 And she fought to keep cash rail. 0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:10.480 System in place that impacts poor people in the worst 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:11.200 kind of way. 0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:15.200 No no chance of Talsea leading that party. She left 0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:20.080 the Democrats because the Democrats are broken. Kamala has been 0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:23.439 deemed the future of the party and the Democrats and 0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:27.760 Kamala deserve each other. But after four ruinous years of 0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:32.760 the Biden Harris administration, America deserves something more. 0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:37.720 Fantastic. 0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:42.800 Rita well I was astonished and horrified by the story 0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:49.199 this week that the Australian Labor government Albanese's government had called, 0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:54.400 in formally summoned the Israeli ambassador, a mere Maimon goodload 0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:59.679 by the way to Canberra to tell him that Israel 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:03.520 not that Australia would not support Israel if they got 0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:05.240 into a war with Hezbola. 0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:07.680 Now Hebela is a vile. 0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:14.200 Evil Iranian back terror organization threatening to annihilate the North. 0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:18.240 Did not all of Israel. Not only did the Albanesi 0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:18.920 government have. 0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:23.000 The sheer gaul to call in the Israeli ambassador in 0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:26.720 what is an existential threat to the nation of Israel. 0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:31.520 After all the atrocities we've seen going back to October seventh. 0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:34.919 What we now have is they didn't even do it. 0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:41.480 They got the junior minister Tim Watts. The Albanesi government 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:46.160 should hang its head in absolute shame. Joining us now 0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:49.479 as the president of the Australian Jewish Association, David Adler, 0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:54.680 David I was just appalled by this, some junior guy, 0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:59.360 Tim Watts running around dressing down the Israeli ambassador. When 0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:02.520 we're talking about an existential threat to that nation. 0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:04.040 What did you make of. 0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:08.440 Look growing you're right, it was a disgrace. We were 0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:12.440 shocked about it. Credit to the Daily Telegraph for breaking 0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:16.040 the story. The headline in the Daily Telegraph was that 0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:20.760 it was an insult to Israel. That's way too mild 0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:26.920 a description. Frankly, this is nothing short of diplomatic gihad 0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:31.360 from the Australian Labor government. It's worse than a slap 0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:34.240 in the face. I don't think it has ever occurred 0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:41.080 before that an Australian government has insulted an ally in conflict. 0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:42.800 But it gets even worse. 0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:48.520 What they've done is they've aligned Australia with a prescribed 0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:56.080 terrorist organization, has Belah ap proxy of Iran. So the 0:29:56.160 --> 0:30:02.160 betraying the ally, they're betraying the demoocratic country, the only 0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:06.640 one in the Middle East. On Thursday last week, over 0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:13.240 two hundred rockets and UAVs were fired into Israel. There 0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:18.080 are over sixty thousand internal refugees in Israel. This is 0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:20.520 Israelis who live in the north who've had to leave 0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:25.800 their homes because of these attacks. And Israel has no 0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:30.080 choice but sooner or later to deal with Hasbellah and 0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:34.840 Australia declaring that it won't stand with Israel but will 0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:37.600 in effect be doing Hesbela's bidding. 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:40.200 Have a listen, David to this character. Let's have a 0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:42.720 listen to this Tim Watts character. 0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:47.080 In the opposition think there should be no state of Palestine. 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:51.760 We even saw Senator Shama, who should know better, hosting 0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:56.120 an event in Parliament House for extremists who are campaigning 0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:57.680 against a two state solution. 0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:03.160 Oh that was you, by the way, David, David Shalma. 0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:07.440 David Shalma had your organization there for a briefing under discussion. 0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:12.080 And this Labor government pennywe Alban easy, Tim Watts, these 0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:15.200 people are no friends of the Jews of Australia. 0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:17.240 There's not a Jewish person or a supporter of Israel, 0:31:17.360 --> 0:31:19.720 who should ever vote for the labor government in this country. 0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:23.000 Again, in my opinion, David tim Watts has no idea 0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:25.880 what he's talking about. He's at least forty years out 0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:30.600 of date. And recently, there have been a number of 0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:34.480 studies done in Israel about whether there is support for 0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:38.160 the establishment of a state of Palestine or not. 0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:40.720 There has never been won. 0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:48.240 By the way, and the vast majority of Israelis oppose it. 0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:52.560 So what we are doing is we have aligned our 0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:56.200 views with the majority, the vast majority. 0:31:56.440 --> 0:32:01.800 Michelle, with someone like Watts using parts eliamentary privilege to 0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:06.760 label you an extremist for holding an opinion that's held 0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:08.160 by the majority of Israelis. 0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:09.960 Look at what does that. 0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:14.080 Say about Israelis. I mean by extension, he's calling them extremists. 0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:17.840 If you oppose the two state solution, apparently you're an extremist. 0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:21.560 It's even misuse of the English language. I mean extreme 0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:25.680 would normally mean three standard deviations from the Meme's that's 0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:31.120 an extreme. I've never heard a majority described as extreme before. 0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:36.120 But here's here's my response, Tim Watts. I challenge you 0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:40.080 to a debate on the subject of a two state solution. 0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:43.440 Now take it up. We'll do at Oxford University style 0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:47.720 with a moderator, and let's see if you can back 0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:49.640 up that ridiculous assertion. 0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:52.400 Let's do it here on Outsiders, ok, Tim, Wat's get 0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:55.240 you here with David Adler. Let's have the debate. Let's 0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:57.000 see if you actually know what you are talking about. 0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:57.760 James, Well, though. 0:32:57.640 --> 0:32:59.920 It's mussy TV, but I want to ask you Darvi 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:03.760 two about the extraordinary events around Fatima Payment, the senator 0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:07.480 from Wa. Now, the thing that sort of surprises me 0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:09.640 on one level is that it seems like there's only 0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:13.520 about a cigarette papers worth of difference between what Senator 0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:18.080 Payment believes and where labor is being dragged to. How concerned, though, 0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:20.920 are you that labor is going to be dragged further 0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:25.520 and further to this extreme position by the threat of 0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:30.680 other Muslim independence rising in seats in Western Sydney where 0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:33.760 a number of Labor front benchers hold their seats at 0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:36.680 the moment. And is this a concern that the government 0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:39.160 is going to be pulled further and further into this 0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:44.360 weird position that's embraced both by the hard left Greens 0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:46.560 and Muslim voters. 0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:51.480 James, You're absolutely right and earlier in the show you 0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:55.160 all were discussing the outcome of the UK election, where 0:33:55.200 --> 0:34:00.080 indeed already elements exactly like that have been elected in 0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:04.560 to Parliament, and the trend has started in Australia. We 0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:08.160 know that they're getting organized, we know it's well funded. 0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:15.640 The website's cause called the Muslim Vote, and I think 0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:20.800 that unfortunately, a decision has been taken by the labor 0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:26.120 number crunches that Israeli is expendable. They don't mind throwing 0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:30.919 the safety of the Jewish community under a bus. These 0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:36.759 sort of actions and trends that you're describing fuel anti Semitism. 0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:41.480 They fuel a risk to not just the Jewish community, 0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:47.960 but those that support violent Ghad are emboldened. And I 0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:51.279 think the Coalition needs to jump on this, not just 0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:53.840 as a Jewish Israel issue, but as a law and 0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:56.520 order issue. 0:34:56.800 --> 0:35:00.640 Parliament House, we saw all the pro Palestinian for Parro 0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:04.000 Palestinian activists got in there draping from the river to 0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:06.600 the sea, which is a call for genocide against the. 0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:07.799 Jewish people there. 0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:11.040 It is up for the images that were broadcast around 0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:11.400 the world. 0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:14.160 Let me point out the most significant part of that image, 0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:18.440 which is the inverted red triangle over the entry to 0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:25.239 Parliament House. This red triangle is a Hamas symbol. It 0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:28.799 is to identify targets for destruction there and it was 0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:30.160 put on our Parliament House. 0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:32.040 Sorry, David. 0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:34.840 There's one other bit of that though, that those signs 0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:37.320 that I thought were really telling, and that was where 0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:41.840 they also put Israel in a sequence of events starting 0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:46.359 with the frontier Wars of East Timor. And it's not 0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:48.600 just as you say about the Jewish people, it is 0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:53.000 really this is about an attack on Western civilization. They 0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:56.520 place Israel in this context of being a colonial power, 0:35:56.880 --> 0:36:01.960 and therefore the violence of jihad is decolonization and this 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:05.239 is a chancer of thought that has been running through 0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:08.400 the West and through our universities for probably one hundred years. 0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:08.680 Now. 0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:12.920 Would you say, well, anybody who can't recognize that hasn't 0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:17.000 got their eyes open. There's been vandalism and desecration of 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:20.960 the war memorials. And given your American background, James, you 0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:24.040 will know that on the fourth of July there were 0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:29.080 these pro Hamas, pro Palestinian protesters that were burning the 0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:32.879 American flag. I mean, why are they doing that? They're 0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:35.799 doing that because I mean Israel happens to be the 0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:39.880 tip of the iceberg for a civilizational war which is 0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:45.400 under way right now, and Australia needs to take significant 0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:48.160 measures if we're going to protect our democracy. 0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:52.240 We've seen that at protests since October seventh throughout the country, 0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:56.640 where they have linked the cause, Palestinian cause with the 0:36:56.680 --> 0:37:01.560 indigenous cause and they see it as sharing similar traits 0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:07.600 in stolen land and colonization and all the basic arguments 0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:10.520 we've heard, But it seems to be there's a level 0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:13.279 of tolerance. I mean, we saw with those protesters, they 0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:15.879 were on the rooftop of Parliament House for the better 0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:19.160 part of two hours, and we saw how they can 0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:21.799 crack down on protests when they want to. And we've 0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:25.440 seen with Sydney University the protesters are now being given 0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:30.880 power to make decisions about investments. In Melbourne University, the 0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:36.960 protesters avoided expulsion. Instead they're just getting warnings instead of 0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:39.400 actually being thrown out of the school for having an 0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:43.360 illegal encampment and intimidating Jewish students. So I want to 0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:45.840 ask you about that. What message does that center the 0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:50.520 Jewish community that there's this tolerance to this movement, no 0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:53.320 matter how ugly it has become well. 0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:57.239 Two responses Rita. The one is that the whole foundation 0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:02.239 of that argument is false. It is actually anyone with 0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:04.759 an education knows it's the Jewish people that are the 0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:08.040 indigenous to the land of Israel. You can stand by 0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:12.960 the graves of Abraham Isaac Jacob in Hevron. You can 0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:18.560 learn about King Saul, King David, King Solomon who established 0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:26.040 kingdoms with sovereignty which has never been seeded by the way. 0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:33.319 But the law and order issue is highly, highly problematic. 0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:35.640 It should have been dealt with on the ninth of 0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:39.560 October when we saw those riots, if there had been 0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:46.040 a clamp down men with the violent anti Semitism that 0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:51.440 we saw flares burning flags. There have been signals all 0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:56.440 along that this will be tolerated. That one group seems 0:38:56.480 --> 0:39:01.920 to have a differential policing to everyone else in society. Absolutely, 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:07.400 and it's very worrying. I think is an opportunity for 0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:12.880 the Coalition to step up as has happened with a Queensland, yes, 0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:17.840 but nationally and say we are going to take a 0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:23.560 proper law enforcement approach. All Australian citizens, all people in 0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.759 this country have to comply with the rule of law. 0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:29.319 And absolutely, David Adla, thanks so much. 0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:31.160 And I would add to that that we should be 0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:34.279 doing here what they're doing in Germany, which is new 0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:37.680 citizens coming into this country for the citizenship test, they 0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:41.239 are required to affirm that they accept Israel's right to 0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:44.800 exist and tolerate the presence of Jews in Germany. 0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:46.560 We should be doing the same thing here with our 0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:47.560 citizenship tests. 0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:49.960 David Ada, thanks so much for coming here on Outsider's. 0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:52.840 Great to see you again after the break net zero 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:56.480 net Zany and we've got Rocco Lawyer Kono to talk 0:39:56.520 --> 0:40:08.080 about the pope in a tech It's net Zany, the wacky, 0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:11.719 weird world of net zero policies and return James, what 0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:14.840 a surprise yet again we learned that And I quote 0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:18.680 the twenty twenty four record coral cover for the Great 0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:23.160 Barrier Reef based on official data for all eleven sectors 0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:24.560 of the Great Barrier Reef. 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:28.799 Why aren't I hearing about this? This is no, no, no, no, no, no, 0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:29.640 it's great. 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:33.720 This is not good news because how are the alarmists 0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:36.719 gonna be able to go and you know, get their 0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:39.480 grants and make their salaries if the Great Barrier Reef 0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:42.279 is doing well, and I've got a solution for them. 0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:44.719 What they need to do is go pluck a bunch 0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:46.800 of wind turbines right over it. 0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:47.200 That's a. 0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:50.120 Two problem solved. Ones. 0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:53.480 Will there be apologies forthcoming to doctor Peter Read perhaps 0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:57.800 maybe an offer of him having his position back. 0:40:57.600 --> 0:41:02.160 At the Universal it was truly being off for similar accourts. Yes, 0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:06.320 then anyway, there we go. Climate change is the big threat, 0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:09.239 according to Joe Biden, far more so than you know 0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:12.920 nuclear war. Climate change is the big threat. His Tulsi 0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:14.839 Gabbard telling us about that. 0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:20.520 The problem is he's insane. Only a madman would not 0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:26.000 consider a nuclear holocaust, a nuclear war as an existential threat. 0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:29.440 He said, quote, the only existential threat to humanity is 0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:31.080 climate change. 0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:33.760 What do you that one, James? 0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:36.440 Look, I mean, you know who knows me. We'll expand 0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:37.560 NATO up to the ozone layer. 0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:38.160 I don't know what. 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:41.160 I don't think this is going to happen, but there 0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:45.880 has been all sorts of chatter about Tulsi being Trumps. 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:51.799 I think is going to happen. But what a turn 0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:53.640 up for the books. That would be someone who was 0:41:53.680 --> 0:42:01.560 a Democrat presidential candidate. She destroyed Kamala and then she 0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:04.919 saw the parties completely unhinged these days, so she left, 0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:08.239 and there supercomes a Republican they would be that's the 0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:11.200 big existential threat to the Democrat Party. 0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:15.560 I also love this story that McDonald's admits that millions 0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:20.480 of customers are rejecting those fake meat burgers that Bill 0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:23.480 Gates and others are desperate for people to eat to 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:25.400 save the planet. 0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:28.239 You've seen the ingredients that go into this, and I 0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:30.839 know someone going to McDonald's isn't, you know, doing it 0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:35.000 for health reasons, So perhaps the ingredients list isn't enormous, 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:37.719 But I think this is one of the main reasons 0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:43.320 these fake meat has been rejected and rejected almost across 0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:45.759 the board. You go to supermarkets, I've never seen one 0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:49.400 anyone pick one of those up there. The stocks always full. 0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:50.120 Do you remember me? 0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:52.880 And everything else is the pandemic, and there are all 0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:55.200 the shots of you. All the meat's gone from all 0:42:55.200 --> 0:42:56.680 the shelves, all the chickens gone. 0:42:56.800 --> 0:43:00.480 But like the I think. 0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:05.319 The concoction of ingredients that go in there, which is. 0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:07.120 What the left used to call frankin food. 0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:15.200 You know, remember when these oh genetically modified oh Bill Gatesberger. 0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:12.200 If. 0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:16.480 Well, joining us now is Rocco Lawyer Kono, who's a 0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:18.799 contributor of both Sky News Australia and a great writer 0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:21.600 on the Spectator of Australia. In fact, Rocco has got 0:43:21.640 --> 0:43:24.160 a great piece in the Spectator at the moment about 0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:29.400 Pope Francis Saint Francis in reverse. He calls it, remember 0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:31.960 the old gag about is the Pope Catholic well known? Not? 0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:32.960 According to Rocco. 0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:35.400 Rocco, great to see you, how are. 0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:40.359 You, Good morning, Rowan reader and James, and good morning 0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:41.000 to all the viewers. 0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:42.600 Well, tell us about the Pope. 0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:45.320 You're concerned because he's canceling the Latin Mass? 0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:46.440 Is that what's going on? 0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:49.600 Yes? 0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:53.600 A couple of weeks ago some pretty serious rumors emerged 0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:59.000 from the Vatican that the Pope, along with his liturgical Hinchman, 0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:01.720 is about to really crack down on the Latin Mass, 0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:06.280 with a view to banning it almost completely from any church, 0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:09.520 any Catholic church in the world. This is very concerning 0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:15.239 because well in the Western world, the only areas that 0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:19.960 are thriving in the church those areas where traditional liturgy 0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:23.160 is practiced, and that means the Latin Mass. You go 0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:27.360 to most churches in the Western world, and that maybe 0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:29.480 the church has about sixty or seventy people in it, 0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:32.040 and those sixty or seventy are about sixty or seventy 0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:34.160 years of age, if not older. You go to a 0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:37.160 church where the Latin Mass is celebrated, it's full, and 0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:41.320 it's full of young people with families. These people feel 0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:43.920 nourished by the Latin Mass, they feel drawn to it. 0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:47.480 It offers a sense of other worldliness. Yet the Pope, 0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:48.839 but these are the kind of people that the Church 0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:51.160 are be encouraging to attend Mass. It's hard enough to 0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:52.799 get young people to go to Mass these days, but 0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:55.480 the ones that actually want to, the Pope doesn't. The 0:44:55.480 --> 0:44:57.479 Pope doesn't like them and wants to wants to crack 0:44:57.520 --> 0:44:58.480 down read. 0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:02.320 And the Pope is outspoken about all sorts of issues, 0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:06.280 global warming. But then I don't hear him talking about 0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:10.319 Christians being persecuted in parts of the world, murdered in 0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:13.960 parts of the world, parts of the Africa, Middle East 0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:19.520 where there are attacks against Christian communities. Tell me about 0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:22.520 his priorities, because it seems to be a far more 0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:25.840 political pope, but not in the areas you would expect. 0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:32.080 No that's right, reader, I mean you mentioned Nigeria and 0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:35.360 the terrible persecutions that are going on against Christians in Africa. 0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:40.520 I mean in France, in any given month, about seventy 0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:43.880 or eighty Catholic churches are attacked, yet we hear nothing 0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:47.520 of that, and the same goes on in places like Canada. Look, 0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:49.640 this pope's priorities can be summed up by one of 0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:53.360 his countrymen who said he was the former chief prosecutor 0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:56.360 of Buenos Aires, who said, look, this pope knows nothing 0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:59.359 about theology, he knows nothing about history. The only thing 0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:03.160 he's interested in is power, and this is this is, 0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:06.520 this is the kind of thing he takes on these 0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:11.640 political causes. And I draw in the analogy with what's 0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:15.120 going on in conservative parties around the Western world. I mean, 0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:18.280 they've been infiltrated by these these lefties, and the Catholic 0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:22.920 Church is no different unfortunately, and this is another reason 0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:25.719 why we see empty churches. Well, I mean people don't 0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:29.000 vote for conservative parties because they the conservative parties want 0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:31.600 to ape the left. Well, the Catholic Church, rather than 0:46:31.640 --> 0:46:34.640 trying to hold fast to values and its countercultural nature 0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:38.080 is and standing up for Catholics around the world is 0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:41.120 actually really devoted to secularism and climate change and all 0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:45.200 these other trendy issues, thinking that we're going to that's 0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:46.759 going to open up the church. I mean, the Pope 0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:50.400 himself says, well, look, the churches for everyone, but unfortunately 0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:53.000 many people in the church feel alienated by this Pope. 0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:56.080 James, Well, Rocco, I mean, just to pick up on 0:46:56.160 --> 0:47:00.560 that thread. If Pope Francis and I use that title 0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:05.320 observedly goes forward with these attacks on the Latin Mass 0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:07.880 and everything else that he's been doing, turned it into 0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:11.520 the great sort of Church of climate change. Does this 0:47:11.880 --> 0:47:15.480 mean that eventually there could be, possibly after his passing, 0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:17.880 depending on who the next Holy Father is, that the 0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:22.680 Catholic Church could split. Will there be a traditional Catholic 0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:26.000 Church that emerges out of this even if the paper 0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:28.080 bureaucracy in Rome remains walk. 0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:34.520 Oh, that's a distinct possibility, James, and we've seen it. 0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:39.040 Just on Friday, one of the Pope's main critics, Archbishop Vigano, 0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:42.040 who's also a great defender of the traditional Mass, was 0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:48.120 excommunicated by the Pope, Bishop Strickland of Strickland of Tyler 0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:50.680 the Dice of Tyler, Texas was removed from office because 0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:55.719 he's criticizing the pope. And this is the only thing 0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:58.600 that can happen, E scuse him. All these people go underground, 0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:02.359 which is effectively a schism in anyway. And we've seen 0:48:02.400 --> 0:48:05.560 that in the Anglican Church. I mean, you ask any 0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:08.600 Anglican who's who's joined the Catholic Church and they say, 0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:10.719 why does the why does a pope want to do this? 0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:13.520 I mean, this is exactly what's happened in Anglicanism, where 0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:17.200 we've abandoned to the traditional tenets of the faith and 0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:21.239 we've all split off into all these various various sex 0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:23.239 if you like, for one of a better word. And 0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:25.360 this is the real danger that's going to happen in 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:26.040 the Catholic Church. 0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:31.880 Roco, fantastic, Thanks so much for coming on outsiders. I 0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:34.719 tell you, the Catholic Mass without without the Latin Mass. 0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:38.520 It sounds like an acd AC DC concert without any 0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:40.719 guitars to me, but anyway, what would I know? 0:48:41.080 --> 0:48:41.720 Thanks Roco. 0:48:42.200 --> 0:48:47.360 Now let's do a little bit of whackademia. 0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:50.360 Oh yes, yes, Rita. 0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:54.200 Well, this is a school in Sydney. I think it 0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:58.800 was around the Blue Mountains. Where parents were upset, understandably 0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:01.319 because the children were told to put their hands on 0:49:01.360 --> 0:49:06.480 the ground and say always was, always will be Aboriginal land. 0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:10.279 And apparently this happens regularly before assemblies. It wasn't a 0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:14.400 one off. And this is a message that is you 0:49:14.400 --> 0:49:17.399 know what it was of Parliament House when they said yes, 0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:21.200 I said that, you know we're on stolen land. And 0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:25.840 it's a message that has been normalized and every corporation, 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:31.640 every politician, every celebrity. You can't land a plane without 0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:34.279 having been welcome to your own country. And it's all 0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:40.839 part of the same message that we're not us are 0:49:41.000 --> 0:49:43.120 entire to call this country house? 0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:46.520 And is it it ironic? Isn't it ironic? 0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:49.560 As a song goes that Fda Albanizi and the Labor 0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:54.560 Party which did so much to encourage this sort of division, 0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:59.040 this distaste for post celement Australia through their Voice campaign 0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:01.440 and all of this stuff where they teach people that 0:50:01.520 --> 0:50:04.600 this is an illegitimate nation right from the moment they 0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:08.400 go to preschool. Oh that certainly now they're getting pulled 0:50:08.640 --> 0:50:11.319 apart by people who have come to this country and 0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:13.200 been told, oh no, Austraia is not a great country. 0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:15.600 I don't know why I came here. This place is illegitimate. 0:50:15.840 --> 0:50:18.440 This is the end point. You wind up with this 0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:23.120 fractured identity politics because you don't believe in your own country. 0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:25.799 A government that doesn't believe in its own country has 0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:27.879 no business being in government. 0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:29.879 House that I know you saw him through the way. 0:50:30.000 --> 0:50:32.520 He talks about this a lot, because being a visitor 0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:35.560 to the country would notice these incessant. 0:50:36.760 --> 0:50:39.960 Self hatred, self hatred being. 0:50:39.840 --> 0:50:43.160 Welcome to our own country, and it is a dangerous 0:50:43.200 --> 0:50:45.120 message to send to your citizens that you don't have 0:50:45.239 --> 0:50:47.680 ownership of your own country, you don't have an allegiance 0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:50.120 because when there is a threat, well, you're not going 0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:54.040 to expect people to actually defend a country that don't 0:50:54.080 --> 0:50:57.719 believe is really theirs, and is not really legitimate, and 0:50:57.840 --> 0:51:01.360 is not built on good values, built on genocide and 0:51:01.400 --> 0:51:04.480 white supremacy and all the colonialism. 0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:08.240 I'd go even further reto, I'd say this is child abuse. 0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:10.080 If you are getting a kid to put their hand 0:51:10.120 --> 0:51:13.319 on the ground and swearing that the ground belongs to 0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:18.120 to what was always whatever some other concept, than you 0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:20.480 are abusing that child and you are denying them their 0:51:20.560 --> 0:51:24.160 legitimate legal right to the sovereignty of this country which 0:51:24.239 --> 0:51:28.560 all Australians share equally, and shame on any teacher who 0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:29.080 does that. 0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:30.160 That is child abuse. 0:51:30.200 --> 0:51:33.240 You are unfit to be near children in my opinion, 0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:36.120 just my opinion, because it's an opinion show and we've 0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:38.320 got lots more opinion coming up in a tick here 0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:47.320 on Outsiders. Good morning and welcome to Outsiders with the 0:51:47.400 --> 0:51:54.280 RITA Building seven Panahye, James jfk Assassination Morrow and myself 0:51:54.360 --> 0:51:58.600 Rowan Kem Trail's Dean. Yes, this morning, I want to 0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:02.000 talk to you about conspiracy theories and more importantly, when 0:52:02.040 --> 0:52:05.680 conspiracy theories become conspiracy facts. 0:52:06.400 --> 0:52:07.479 We saw one this week. 0:52:08.560 --> 0:52:12.319 The debates and the ramifications have shaken the world. I'll 0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:15.120 get onto that in a sex. As you know, I'm 0:52:15.120 --> 0:52:17.600 the editor of The Spectator Australia, the Australian edition of 0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:21.560 the world's oldestinglish language journal, which has been continuously published 0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:24.320 since it first appeared in the coffee houses of London 0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:28.000 in the seventeen hundreds. One of the early issues apparently 0:52:28.000 --> 0:52:31.480 featured an expose on a young French soldier, whom the 0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:34.360 writer said was worth keeping an eye on his surname 0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:39.120 was Bonaparte. Spectator has always been ahead of the curve, which. 0:52:38.960 --> 0:52:41.000 Is why you should subscribe to it. 0:52:41.520 --> 0:52:43.759 One of the joys of being the editor here in 0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:46.400 Australia is that it has allowed me to introduce you 0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:51.000 to many of The Spectator's amazing stable Douglas Murray, Fraser Nelson, 0:52:51.080 --> 0:52:54.439 Andrew Neil, James Dellingpaul and in a moment. 0:52:54.600 --> 0:52:55.600 Toby Young. 0:52:56.560 --> 0:52:59.520 The latter two I mentioned specifically in the same breath 0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:03.920 many years Toby Young and James Dellingpol ran an amazing 0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:07.760 podcast one of the best podcasts I and I imagine 0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:08.120 many of. 0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:09.160 You have ever heard. 0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:13.600 London Calling was named after a Clash album and could 0:53:13.640 --> 0:53:18.600 equally have been called The Clash of the Skeptics. Toby Young, 0:53:18.640 --> 0:53:21.080 as well as being Associate editor of The Spectator, also 0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:26.240 founded the amazing Daily Skeptic website and the Free Speech Union, 0:53:26.320 --> 0:53:30.560 a magnificent organization that tackles insidious cancel culture in the 0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:33.840 UK and here. James Dellingpole, for his part, runs the 0:53:33.920 --> 0:53:37.879 hugely popular delling Pod podcast, which I guess you could 0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:42.880 call the Conspiracy theorists Almanac. The beauty of their London 0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:46.279 Calling podcast was that, rather than the tiresome left right paradigm. 0:53:46.320 --> 0:53:51.080 Here were two so called conservatives furiously debating skepticism in 0:53:51.120 --> 0:53:55.919 all its modern manifestations. You see, both are passionate skeptics, 0:53:55.920 --> 0:53:58.840 but they reacted very differently to the. 0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:00.680 Horror of the COVID years. 0:54:01.320 --> 0:54:06.320 Toby works tires tirelessly to challenge those institutions that failed 0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:10.560 us during COVID, and by tackling them, he tackles them 0:54:10.600 --> 0:54:13.880 through the courts and in the media, not only on COVID, 0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:16.799 but also on that zero climate change, legal immigration and 0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:20.640 so on. James, on the other hand, reacted as many 0:54:20.680 --> 0:54:26.320 people did, by losing faith utterly in all our institutions 0:54:26.440 --> 0:54:28.520 like a lover spurned. He wants nothing to do with 0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:32.520 those institutions he was once so loyal to the Conservative Party, 0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:36.840 the universities, the mainstream media, even our history. To James, 0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:40.560 it's all fraudulent and corrupt. Here's just a snippet of 0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:43.640 one of their London Calling debates in which they argued 0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:47.960 about the best way to tackle offcom. Offcom is the 0:54:47.960 --> 0:54:52.480 British version of our Akma, this censorious government media authority 0:54:52.560 --> 0:54:56.640 that scrutinizes the lords it over what can be said 0:54:56.719 --> 0:54:57.840 and what cannot be said. 0:55:00.760 --> 0:55:06.160 Took enormous time and trouble to challenge Ofcom's coronavirus guidance 0:55:06.640 --> 0:55:10.560 in the High Court, and there was an oral hearing, 0:55:10.800 --> 0:55:13.799 there was a hearing on paper. The cost to the 0:55:13.840 --> 0:55:18.640 Free Speech Union was around about ten pounds. I went 0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:22.560 to great lengths to compile witness statements from expert witnesses. 0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:27.240 What have you done to change so regards the result 0:55:27.239 --> 0:55:28.560 activities of that? 0:55:28.840 --> 0:55:30.880 Did the court find in your favor? 0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:34.880 Well, no, the court did not find favor. If they 0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:37.560 hadn't been aware of that, they might have gone a lot. 0:55:37.840 --> 0:55:40.800 You can accuse me of not doing anything about it 0:55:40.880 --> 0:55:42.000 or blithely accepting it. 0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:43.320 I tried to do something about it. 0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:46.919 But you see, there's there's the fundament mental difference between 0:55:46.960 --> 0:55:50.160 you and me. You still believe that the system is 0:55:50.520 --> 0:55:54.720 honest and functional. I believe it is broken beyond repair. 0:55:56.239 --> 0:55:59.760 Magnificent stuff and well worth listening to. Even more entertaining 0:56:00.000 --> 0:56:05.120 fare heated discussions about James's favorite conspiracy theories, everything from 0:56:05.160 --> 0:56:08.200 the Beatles being an MI five plot and Paul McCartney 0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:11.000 being killed and replaced with a look alike to nine 0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:16.040 to eleven KEM trails Princess Diana, and so on and on. Personally, 0:56:16.640 --> 0:56:18.919 I loved the Paul Is Dead stuff and spent much 0:56:18.920 --> 0:56:22.040 of my youth pouring over those Abbey Road clues. 0:56:22.360 --> 0:56:24.640 But intriguingly, one. 0:56:24.560 --> 0:56:29.520 Reason given for the popularity of that particular conspiracy theory 0:56:29.560 --> 0:56:34.440 back in the late sixties was that quote. Basically because 0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:38.680 of Vietnam and the loss of trust in the establishment, 0:56:39.200 --> 0:56:41.920 many of us, this is the person speaking, were. 0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:43.680 Ready willing and able. 0:56:43.440 --> 0:56:48.120 To believe just about any sort of conspiracy the loss 0:56:48.120 --> 0:56:50.960 of trust, and the same is true, I would argue 0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:54.560 of today, thanks to the unremitting abuse of power at 0:56:54.640 --> 0:56:59.040 all levels during COVID, people became so disillusioned with the 0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:03.480 authorities and the media to such an extent many have 0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:08.759 started to question literally anything and everything, which brings me 0:57:08.880 --> 0:57:12.920 back to this particular conspiracy theory I mentioned earlier, one 0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:17.720 that we have unashamedly embraced for over three years on 0:57:17.800 --> 0:57:22.040 this show, James Reta and I, namely that rather than 0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:27.600 being an amazing, cogent, compassionate and progressive genius, the President 0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:31.320 of the United States is in fact a doddering, senile, 0:57:31.480 --> 0:57:34.920 dribbling old fool who couldn't string a sentence together and 0:57:35.000 --> 0:57:38.480 is incapable of running a chick raffle let alone guaranteeing 0:57:38.520 --> 0:57:41.320 the peace and security of the free world. And the 0:57:41.400 --> 0:57:45.920 real president is, in fact, either Jill Biden, Barack Obama, 0:57:46.040 --> 0:57:48.680 who once joked about wanting to stay in power through 0:57:48.720 --> 0:57:52.360 a puppet like surrogate, or some sinister group of deep 0:57:52.400 --> 0:57:54.120 state bureaucrats. 0:57:54.320 --> 0:58:00.760 Right wing conspiracy theorists. They howled at US two weeks ago. 0:58:00.880 --> 0:58:03.680 Here is the Press secretary of the White House admonishing 0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:07.880 shows such as ours for spelling out the. 0:58:07.840 --> 0:58:13.000 Truth instead of talking about the president's performance in office. 0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:15.240 And what I mean by that is a legislative wents 0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:17.560 what he's been able to do for the American people 0:58:17.600 --> 0:58:22.760 across the country. We're seeing these deep figs, these manipulated videos, 0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:25.640 and it is again done in that faith. 0:58:27.000 --> 0:58:27.240 Yeah. 0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:32.640 Right, Yet our conspiracy turned out at the debate last. 0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:35.400 Week to be conspiracy fact. 0:58:36.200 --> 0:58:39.880 When confronted with ninety minutes if I edited Biden, when 0:58:39.880 --> 0:58:44.360 the curtain was pulled back, ordinary everyday people around the 0:58:44.400 --> 0:58:51.360 world were horrified and appalled by the simple truth. Why 0:58:51.840 --> 0:58:55.400 because the last few years they have been fed complete 0:58:55.600 --> 0:59:01.960 media distortions designed to cover up that truth. As Blaize 0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:07.160 Media wrote, quote, after a disastrous performance, the news media, 0:59:07.200 --> 0:59:11.480 which had been shamelessly gaslighting the public over Joe Biden's 0:59:11.520 --> 0:59:15.880 cognitive capacity for years, seemed to turn on the president 0:59:15.920 --> 0:59:20.840 in unison. Biden stuttered, stumbled, and bumbled his way through 0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:26.200 a grueling nineteen minutes. He had nowhere to hide. Well, 0:59:27.040 --> 0:59:30.400 I ask a very simple question. What if we could 0:59:30.400 --> 0:59:34.960 put every single one of those other conspiracy theories under 0:59:35.000 --> 0:59:38.720 the glare of the spotlight, with nowhere to hide, no 0:59:38.880 --> 0:59:42.080 auto Q, no one to edit out the uncomfortable bits 0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:45.920 for a full ninety minutes of honest and unedited exposure, 0:59:46.360 --> 0:59:50.080 just like they did with poor old Joe Biden. What 0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:53.680 if we gave oh, I don't know, climate alarmism the 0:59:53.800 --> 0:59:55.360 Joe Biden debate test. 0:59:55.720 --> 0:59:57.040 Would the result be the same? 0:59:57.360 --> 0:59:59.800 Would you have millions of people around the world looking 0:59:59.840 --> 1:00:02.920 at each other aghast and saying, oh my goodness, I 1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:05.840 never knew climate extremism was such a crock. 1:00:06.280 --> 1:00:08.200 It's nothing like they've been telling. 1:00:07.920 --> 1:00:08.680 Us for years. 1:00:09.360 --> 1:00:13.160 Would there be a Blaze article saying, after a disastrous performance, 1:00:13.320 --> 1:00:16.840 the news media, which had been shamelessly gaslighting the public 1:00:16.880 --> 1:00:20.600 for years over climate change, seemed to turn In Unison, 1:00:21.000 --> 1:00:24.880 climate change stuttered, stumbled, and bumbled its way through a 1:00:24.920 --> 1:00:28.919 grueling nineteen minute exposure with nowhere to hide or take 1:00:29.160 --> 1:00:33.880 high immigration and the disastrous effect of multiculturalism. Let's give 1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:36.520 that the Joe Biden debate test, shall we? 1:00:36.560 --> 1:00:39.440 Would you have people looking at each other aghast and saying. 1:00:39.320 --> 1:00:42.480 Oh, my goodness, I never knew high immigration was so 1:00:42.680 --> 1:00:46.480 bad for our economy. It's nowhere near as healthy as 1:00:46.480 --> 1:00:48.120 the media kept telling us. 1:00:48.440 --> 1:00:50.320 Would there be a Blaze article. 1:00:50.000 --> 1:00:54.200 Saying after a disastrous performance, the news media, which had 1:00:54.200 --> 1:00:58.040 been shamelessly gaslighting the public for years over multiculturalism and 1:00:58.120 --> 1:01:01.440 the benefits of high immigration, seemed to turn in Unison, 1:01:01.720 --> 1:01:05.960 Multiculturalism stuttered, stumbled, and bumbled its way through a grueling 1:01:06.040 --> 1:01:10.240 ninety minute exposure with nowhere as a hide, and don't 1:01:10.280 --> 1:01:11.400 start me on COVID. 1:01:12.720 --> 1:01:15.320 Actually, do start me on COVID. 1:01:15.200 --> 1:01:19.360 Because in my opinion, it was the disgraceful authoritarian overreach 1:01:19.480 --> 1:01:25.760 by cowardly prime ministers, power mad premiers, the moral superiority 1:01:25.800 --> 1:01:29.760 of the health bureaucrats, and the collusion of elites that 1:01:30.000 --> 1:01:36.000 torpedoed trust by the public in so many of our institutions. 1:01:37.320 --> 1:01:41.000 To this day trust in our ruling classes that may 1:01:41.080 --> 1:01:46.400 never be rebuilt because people lost their careers and lost 1:01:46.440 --> 1:01:52.840 their jobs, lost their livelihoods. Ben Faulkner, a dedicated West 1:01:52.840 --> 1:01:59.720 Australian policeman, was dismissed last week simply for refusing to 1:01:59.720 --> 1:02:02.640 take the jab way back during COVID. 1:02:02.720 --> 1:02:04.120 This is insanity. 1:02:04.560 --> 1:02:08.080 No one to trust in our democratic institutions and way 1:02:08.120 --> 1:02:11.720 of life was shattered during COVID for so many people, 1:02:12.480 --> 1:02:16.680 like James Delingpole, that trust is gone forever and will 1:02:16.720 --> 1:02:22.840 never return. And no wonder when you recall madness like this. 1:02:24.240 --> 1:02:27.920 If you are unvaccinated and the virus comes into your community, 1:02:28.520 --> 1:02:30.160 the virus will hunt you out. 1:02:30.480 --> 1:02:33.840 The virus hunts down the unvaccinated. 1:02:33.960 --> 1:02:36.880 The virus will find the unvaccinated. That's what they all say. 1:02:37.080 --> 1:02:38.920 And it's a virus that will find you if you're 1:02:38.960 --> 1:02:40.360 not vaccinated. 1:02:39.920 --> 1:02:41.760 If you're unvaccinated, it will find you. 1:02:41.920 --> 1:02:46.000 The virus is literally finding unvaccinated people. 1:02:46.240 --> 1:02:47.840 It will find the unvaccinated. 1:02:48.080 --> 1:02:51.720 We're seeing COVID nineteen trekking down unvaccinated people. 1:02:52.360 --> 1:02:57.320 You know, if you're unvaccinated and you're in circulation, you're 1:02:57.320 --> 1:02:57.960 going to get it. 1:02:59.320 --> 1:03:03.040 What apps Tosh what filth, what distortions of the truth, 1:03:03.240 --> 1:03:08.240 fear mongering and vile abuse from people in positions of authority. 1:03:08.640 --> 1:03:11.160 And that's just one tiny aspect of COVID. So will 1:03:11.160 --> 1:03:14.040 we ever get the full, unadult gated truth? Will we 1:03:14.120 --> 1:03:16.800 ever get the public saying, as they did this week 1:03:16.840 --> 1:03:20.440 with Joe Biden, I had no idea that that was 1:03:20.480 --> 1:03:24.160 what was really going on? Will we see a Blaze 1:03:24.240 --> 1:03:27.920 article saying after a disastrous performance, the news media, the 1:03:27.960 --> 1:03:32.160 political elites, and the health bureaucrats, which had been shamelessly 1:03:32.240 --> 1:03:35.920 gaslighting the public for years over lockdowns, over masks, over 1:03:36.040 --> 1:03:40.800 vaccine mandates, and over excess mortality, seemed to turn in unison. 1:03:41.280 --> 1:03:45.840 COVID stuttered, stumbled, and bumbled its way through a grueling 1:03:46.000 --> 1:03:49.120 ninety minute exposure with nowhere to hide. 1:03:50.400 --> 1:03:53.960 You weren't allowed to ask questions, and at any point 1:03:54.120 --> 1:03:55.840 during this you just had to You had to do 1:03:55.880 --> 1:03:58.400 with the man on the TV said, right, You had 1:03:58.440 --> 1:04:00.760 to do what the man on the TV said with questions, 1:04:00.840 --> 1:04:04.880 and then you're a good person. But if you question it, 1:04:05.000 --> 1:04:06.320 then you're a white supremacist. 1:04:06.400 --> 1:04:06.920 Trump or not. 1:04:07.040 --> 1:04:11.040 You're like, well, no, no, no, I didn't vote for Trump. 1:04:11.080 --> 1:04:21.320 I just have questions, Jimmy, Only dumb people ask questions, Yes, questions. 1:04:21.600 --> 1:04:25.320 Question COVID, and we were demonized, Yet we were right to. 1:04:24.960 --> 1:04:26.200 Ask those questions. 1:04:27.320 --> 1:04:30.600 You see, you can argue about keem trails criss crossing 1:04:30.640 --> 1:04:33.840 the skies, or where the fighting cows make the oceans rise, 1:04:34.040 --> 1:04:37.360 or whatever other crazy theory you like. Because it's not 1:04:37.560 --> 1:04:40.880 the theories right or wrong that the public are waking 1:04:41.000 --> 1:04:46.880 up to, but the conspiratorial class, the climate cult, the 1:04:47.320 --> 1:04:52.200 open borders globalist mega corporate Davos crowd. There can be 1:04:52.280 --> 1:04:55.600 no doubt now that the mainstream media, at some point 1:04:55.760 --> 1:04:59.960 in our lifetimes ceased seeking the truth and instead chose 1:05:00.200 --> 1:05:07.000 to try and shape the truth. That's unforgivable. Our elites, politicians, 1:05:07.000 --> 1:05:10.960 our bureaucrats are now a new class of authoritarian senses, 1:05:11.360 --> 1:05:15.200 such as the appalling E Safety Commissioner here in Australia, 1:05:15.360 --> 1:05:19.800 believe themselves to be the sole source of truth. Who 1:05:19.800 --> 1:05:23.560 can forget just cinder idea doue for your. 1:05:23.440 --> 1:05:26.080 Free to visit it any time, to clarify any room 1:05:26.120 --> 1:05:31.520 you you make here, covidnizing dot dobt, dot set, otherwise, 1:05:32.000 --> 1:05:33.320 business anything else. 1:05:33.960 --> 1:05:36.440 We will continue to be your single source of truth, 1:05:38.120 --> 1:05:40.960 sole source of truth, that is the core belief system 1:05:41.000 --> 1:05:45.080 of the so called progressive elitists left around the Western world. 1:05:45.280 --> 1:05:49.040 No wonder people turn to conspiracy theories. All our democracies 1:05:49.080 --> 1:05:53.880 have repeatedly been betrayed by the very institutions we trusted 1:05:53.920 --> 1:06:00.560 the most, betrayed either through ignorance, laziness, arrogance or I'll 1:06:00.600 --> 1:06:03.000 let you be the judge of that. But this is 1:06:03.080 --> 1:06:07.160 why we need new institutions like the Free Speech Union 1:06:07.720 --> 1:06:11.680 to fight the new censorship class. Why we need skeptics 1:06:12.000 --> 1:06:17.240 and skepticism and yes, conspiracy theories on social media to 1:06:17.400 --> 1:06:21.800 keep us questioning, to keep us probing seeking the truth, 1:06:22.200 --> 1:06:27.320 to keep us aware and alert, to challenge those whom 1:06:27.360 --> 1:06:33.080 we can alas no longer trust, so that the abusive 1:06:33.160 --> 1:06:34.960 power we saw during COVID can. 1:06:34.880 --> 1:06:37.240 Never ever happen again. 1:06:38.800 --> 1:06:41.320 In the meantime, have you noticed if you play Sergeant 1:06:41.400 --> 1:06:50.640 Pepper backwards joining us now a very special guest here 1:06:50.640 --> 1:06:53.440 in the studio, Toby Young, I mentioned earlier, the associate 1:06:53.560 --> 1:06:57.080 editor of the Spectator and founder of the Free Speech 1:06:57.240 --> 1:07:00.240 Union and the Daily Skeptic. Toby great to have you 1:07:00.280 --> 1:07:02.720 here in Australia. Have you here in the studio with 1:07:02.800 --> 1:07:07.640 us a real privilege. You're here promoting the Free Speech Union, 1:07:07.680 --> 1:07:10.720 which is already doing great work. We had Selene Selene 1:07:10.720 --> 1:07:13.480 again baumgun Selean against the machine on the show the 1:07:13.560 --> 1:07:18.520 other day, against all the nonsense of the E Safety Commissioner. 1:07:18.640 --> 1:07:20.960 What have you learned since being in Australia. 1:07:21.160 --> 1:07:22.880 Is it what you fear it would be, as a 1:07:22.880 --> 1:07:23.800 better or as it worse? 1:07:23.920 --> 1:07:24.280 Toby? 1:07:24.680 --> 1:07:28.480 I think Roan that the woke mind virus is slightly 1:07:28.600 --> 1:07:31.720 less evolved in Australia than in the UK. I think 1:07:31.760 --> 1:07:35.240 you're about two years behind us, so you've got some 1:07:35.800 --> 1:07:39.040 bad stuff coming your way please, But in some respects 1:07:39.080 --> 1:07:41.400 you're ahead of us. So I'm here partly to try 1:07:41.400 --> 1:07:43.520 and not just to promote the work of the Free 1:07:43.520 --> 1:07:45.920 Speech Union of Australia, which is doing great work, as 1:07:45.920 --> 1:07:48.320 you say, but also to try and see what the 1:07:48.360 --> 1:07:51.439 future holds for us, because in some respects you're ahead 1:07:51.440 --> 1:07:52.880 of us. So if I want to know what a 1:07:53.000 --> 1:07:56.720 Keir Starmer led huge majority labor government is going to 1:07:56.760 --> 1:07:58.880 do in the UK, I only have to look at 1:07:58.880 --> 1:08:02.760 the state of Victoria, the People's Republic of Victoria. So 1:08:03.440 --> 1:08:06.920 a conversion therapy ban which happened in Victoria a few 1:08:06.960 --> 1:08:09.280 years ago. That looks like that's going to be brought 1:08:09.320 --> 1:08:12.080 in by Keir Starmer's labor government. There's also I think 1:08:12.120 --> 1:08:16.720 a lesson for the Conservatives and Reform about how to 1:08:16.800 --> 1:08:19.960 work together and not cannibalize each other's votes by looking 1:08:20.040 --> 1:08:22.719 at the way the Liberal Party and the National Party 1:08:22.720 --> 1:08:26.320 have work together have a non aggression pact in Canberra here. 1:08:26.360 --> 1:08:28.280 So that's also potentially a useful lesson. 1:08:28.560 --> 1:08:33.160 So Toby, let's talk about the British election. Farrage got 1:08:33.200 --> 1:08:35.960 five seats, which was better than expected. You predicted two 1:08:36.040 --> 1:08:38.880 or three, other people predicting thirteen or even eighteen. So 1:08:39.200 --> 1:08:43.200 Niger was predicting eighteen on me as he should. What 1:08:43.720 --> 1:08:47.120 is going to happen in Britain? Massive majority for labor. 1:08:47.200 --> 1:08:50.040 How scary is Kirstarmer? 1:08:50.880 --> 1:08:55.640 I think he's pretty scary. He's a kind of I 1:08:55.680 --> 1:09:00.840 think the last gasp of technocratic managerialism. In portraying this 1:09:01.040 --> 1:09:03.960 as at odds with what's happening in the rest of Europe. 1:09:03.960 --> 1:09:06.880 On continental Europe, where we've seen a lot of insurgent 1:09:07.000 --> 1:09:10.720 populist right wing parties do well in the recent European 1:09:10.800 --> 1:09:13.680 Parliament elections looks like they're going to do well in 1:09:13.720 --> 1:09:17.600 France on Sunday and the second election in France, and 1:09:17.680 --> 1:09:20.080 I don't think that what's happening in the UK is 1:09:20.160 --> 1:09:24.120 all that different. Only twenty percent of the population actually 1:09:24.240 --> 1:09:27.479 voted for Keir Starmer. It's the lowest number of votes 1:09:27.560 --> 1:09:31.600 polled of any winning majority I think since something like 1:09:31.680 --> 1:09:32.760 eighteen thirty. 1:09:32.479 --> 1:09:33.920 Two, I mean, really extraordinary. 1:09:35.200 --> 1:09:38.200 But we see the vote for the two main parties 1:09:38.439 --> 1:09:41.880 the uniparty is lower than it's ever been I think 1:09:41.960 --> 1:09:45.120 since twenty eighteen. That's how I calculated it. So it 1:09:45.120 --> 1:09:49.160 looks like there's a collapse in the technocratic, managerialist approach 1:09:49.240 --> 1:09:51.679 that big parties have been embodied in. 1:09:51.640 --> 1:09:55.280 May that the stats spare that out, but it's still 1:09:55.320 --> 1:09:59.280 going to be seen as a huge endorsement for Labour's policies, 1:10:00.040 --> 1:10:04.200 almost landslide the sixty five percent of the seats. I 1:10:04.240 --> 1:10:09.200 think they're roughlyhold. How do you think they're going to govern? 1:10:09.360 --> 1:10:11.880 Because when you look at some of the things there, 1:10:12.760 --> 1:10:16.480 senior people say, who are going to hold powerful positions, 1:10:16.680 --> 1:10:19.360 you really do worry about what the UK is going 1:10:19.400 --> 1:10:21.120 to be like in three or four years. 1:10:21.360 --> 1:10:25.080 Yeah, well, I guess the hope is that even though 1:10:25.120 --> 1:10:30.280 they have this super woke authoritarian agenda and they're going 1:10:30.280 --> 1:10:32.840 to unleash various assorts on free speech, not just a 1:10:32.840 --> 1:10:36.519 conversion therapy man, probably a hate crime act in England 1:10:36.600 --> 1:10:39.960 and Wales to mirror that that was passed in Scotland 1:10:40.840 --> 1:10:44.680 blasphemy laws. It looks like some kind of criminalization of 1:10:44.720 --> 1:10:51.200 Islamophobia to placate these insurgent to Islamist parties. But hopefully 1:10:51.880 --> 1:10:54.439 all this will be done with a Keystone cops like 1:10:54.520 --> 1:11:00.320 incompetence our Foreign Secretary David Lammy Boris Johnson for in 1:11:00.320 --> 1:11:04.200 sect if you look like Palmerston, I mean, he's just astonishing. 1:11:03.920 --> 1:11:08.120 Literally things men can grow a cervix or have one implanted. 1:11:08.439 --> 1:11:09.640 I've watched an interview with you. 1:11:09.720 --> 1:11:13.200 We can't not yeater me down. 1:11:13.280 --> 1:11:15.559 Well, well, I just on that note. 1:11:15.560 --> 1:11:18.000 You know, all ladies out there, time for your prostate examp, 1:11:18.040 --> 1:11:20.439 make sure you get But I just want to ask 1:11:20.479 --> 1:11:23.519 you though about you know, Rita mentioned Islamophobia a moment ago. 1:11:23.920 --> 1:11:27.160 It seems there's this really weird thing happening here in Australia, 1:11:27.240 --> 1:11:31.000 also in Britain, where you have a woke green left 1:11:31.439 --> 1:11:35.040 in politics, making alliance and common cause with people who, 1:11:35.240 --> 1:11:39.000 in any other circumstances are the least woke and the 1:11:39.080 --> 1:11:41.960 least lefty of all these people, who are you know, 1:11:42.240 --> 1:11:44.960 firmly very much voting with the interests of the Islamic 1:11:45.120 --> 1:11:48.559 uma they identify with that rather than necessarily their own 1:11:48.600 --> 1:11:51.160 electorate or the nation in which they live. Tell me 1:11:51.280 --> 1:11:54.160 what is happening here and what is your take on 1:11:54.280 --> 1:11:57.800 does this wind up? When you get these seats taken 1:11:57.840 --> 1:11:59.920 in Parliament? Things are going to start to pull apart 1:12:00.200 --> 1:12:03.760 very quickly when these identity politics start to come into play, 1:12:03.760 --> 1:12:04.200 won't they. 1:12:04.840 --> 1:12:07.800 Yes, I mean, it's it's a really worrying development in 1:12:07.840 --> 1:12:12.080 this general election campaign, the emergence of an ethno nationalist 1:12:12.560 --> 1:12:15.760 voting bloc. And I say Ethno nationalists not because they're 1:12:15.800 --> 1:12:21.280 patriotic Britons. The country they're representing is Gaza, and that's 1:12:21.360 --> 1:12:25.800 really dangerous. We don't want a sectarian group being able 1:12:25.800 --> 1:12:29.880 to influence Labor Party foreign policy, not in Britain's national interest, 1:12:29.920 --> 1:12:32.599 but in the interests of a foreign state. So that's 1:12:32.760 --> 1:12:35.200 deeply alarming and it's odd, as you say, I mean, 1:12:35.240 --> 1:12:39.160 it's like teals in headscarfs, you know, Queers for Palestine. 1:12:39.400 --> 1:12:42.880 What is it that they the kind of the greenees. 1:12:44.040 --> 1:12:48.240 Head scarves just so you know, so they're men's head scarfs. 1:12:47.360 --> 1:12:50.439 Okay, I guess it's. 1:12:50.920 --> 1:12:54.479 I mean, one thing that Lionel Shreiver said is that 1:12:54.520 --> 1:12:59.479 the left choose their politics from the prefixate menu. They 1:12:59.479 --> 1:13:05.320 don't distinguish between you know, LGBT rights and being pro Palestinians. 1:13:05.320 --> 1:13:08.640 Somehow they're compatible because they're all on one side of 1:13:08.640 --> 1:13:11.320 the menu and they just picked the entire menu. They 1:13:11.320 --> 1:13:14.280 don't differentiate between different policies according to whether they actually 1:13:14.320 --> 1:13:15.080 are compatible. 1:13:15.560 --> 1:13:19.400 Well, I mean, they've got the philosophy my enemy's enemies, 1:13:19.400 --> 1:13:21.800 my friend, and that seems to be the basis of 1:13:21.840 --> 1:13:24.360 a lot of these allegiances is they have a shared 1:13:24.439 --> 1:13:28.160 enemy in the Conservatives. But what do you see for 1:13:28.360 --> 1:13:32.080 Conservatism in the UK because the Tories have been such 1:13:32.120 --> 1:13:37.240 an enormous disappointment, they have not governed like conservatives. Do 1:13:37.400 --> 1:13:42.759 you see reform lasting and bringing in those disaffected toys 1:13:42.800 --> 1:13:43.479 into the fold. 1:13:44.000 --> 1:13:47.519 Well, they've certainly done an enormous amount of damage to 1:13:47.600 --> 1:13:50.320 the Conservative Party. And the reason the Conservative Party is 1:13:50.320 --> 1:13:52.479 down to one hundred and twenty one seats is because 1:13:53.640 --> 1:13:58.160 fielded candidates in every single constituency, whether there can be 1:13:58.320 --> 1:14:02.080 some kind of alliance. I think a merger is probably unlikely. 1:14:02.120 --> 1:14:06.160 Why because Nigel Farage will insist that if the parties merge, 1:14:06.360 --> 1:14:08.000 he's going to have to be the leader, and there 1:14:08.000 --> 1:14:11.160 are going to be some Conservative MPs who bulk at 1:14:11.160 --> 1:14:13.599 that prospect. And they've also got to worry about winning 1:14:13.640 --> 1:14:17.120 back some Conservative voters who went to the left, who 1:14:17.160 --> 1:14:19.839 defected to Labor and the lib Dems. So if they forged, 1:14:19.960 --> 1:14:22.680 if they merged with Reform, it might be difficult to 1:14:22.720 --> 1:14:26.000 win those defectors back. More likely, I think, is some 1:14:26.080 --> 1:14:29.640 kind of non aggression pack, like the relationship between the 1:14:29.640 --> 1:14:35.839 Liberals and the National Party here, or or perhaps some organization. 1:14:35.280 --> 1:14:38.760 They are formal coalitions, So would they be able to. 1:14:38.680 --> 1:14:39.680 Live with that well? 1:14:39.720 --> 1:14:39.960 I think. 1:14:40.000 --> 1:14:42.799 I think if there's a non aggression pack between Reform 1:14:42.800 --> 1:14:45.320 and the Conservatives in twenty nine, when our next general 1:14:45.320 --> 1:14:48.559 election is due and they each win enough seats to 1:14:48.640 --> 1:14:52.040 collectively form a majority government, then they could be working. 1:14:52.520 --> 1:14:55.200 Toby, just quickly tell us about the Free speech Union, 1:14:55.400 --> 1:14:58.479 the successes you've had in Britain. We've covered many of them. 1:14:58.680 --> 1:15:00.599 Harry Miller and others we've had on this this show 1:15:00.640 --> 1:15:04.400 over the years. But why is it so important for Australia. 1:15:04.479 --> 1:15:07.400 I mentioned Selene's case, but what is the critical thing 1:15:07.400 --> 1:15:09.519 and how can people get in contact and why should 1:15:09.520 --> 1:15:11.519 they get in contact with the free Speech Union here 1:15:11.520 --> 1:15:12.400 in Australia. 1:15:12.439 --> 1:15:18.400 Well, the assaults on free speech in Australia are similar 1:15:18.439 --> 1:15:20.840 to the assaults across the English speaking world. We now 1:15:20.840 --> 1:15:23.320 have free speech unions in New Zealand, in South Africa. 1:15:23.479 --> 1:15:27.519 We're hoping to get one set up in Canada. It's important, 1:15:27.560 --> 1:15:31.600 I think, to organize to collectively fight back because the 1:15:31.720 --> 1:15:35.840 assault on free speech seems organized, it seems planned. So 1:15:35.920 --> 1:15:39.519 everything you're seeing in Australia, like the e Safety Commission, 1:15:39.560 --> 1:15:41.960 we have a similar thing in England. We have our 1:15:41.960 --> 1:15:46.000 own Online Safety Act. In Canada, there's an online Safety 1:15:46.000 --> 1:15:49.040 Bill which is even worse than what you have here. 1:15:49.160 --> 1:15:52.200 It looks like the federal government are considering a hate 1:15:52.280 --> 1:15:55.960 crime Act that needs to be staunchly resisted. They're also 1:15:56.040 --> 1:16:01.439 considering an anti misinformation bill. And you know what misinformation means. 1:16:01.479 --> 1:16:04.120 It means any political point of view that I disagree 1:16:04.160 --> 1:16:07.120 with that and so that needs to be heavily resisted, 1:16:07.120 --> 1:16:10.240 and it looks like the Free Speech Union of Australia 1:16:10.320 --> 1:16:13.639 is beginning to organize, is beginning to mobilize, and hopefully 1:16:13.680 --> 1:16:16.320 we'll be able to coordinate some of that resistance to 1:16:16.400 --> 1:16:20.120 these efforts to limit our god given right to free speech. 1:16:20.160 --> 1:16:22.360 Brilliant Toby Young, thank you so much, and Tavy's done 1:16:22.360 --> 1:16:25.240 such a brilliant job with the Daily Skeptic, with The Spectator, 1:16:25.560 --> 1:16:27.479 and of course with the Free Speech Union. You can 1:16:27.520 --> 1:16:30.680 get on contact them online if you've been canceled, or 1:16:30.680 --> 1:16:33.439 for any other reason that you feel your free speech 1:16:33.560 --> 1:16:36.479 is being impeded. What's more coming up in a tick 1:16:36.520 --> 1:16:37.600 here on Outsiders. 1:16:44.280 --> 1:16:47.559 Hello, you're watching Outsiders. I'm James Morrow, and it is 1:16:47.760 --> 1:16:50.280 great to be back here on deck after a couple 1:16:50.320 --> 1:16:53.760 of weeks where with my good friends Rina Panahy at 1:16:53.840 --> 1:16:57.120 Rowan Dean, and of course or you outsiders out there 1:16:57.120 --> 1:17:02.400 who fight the good fight against stupidity every single day. Anyway, 1:17:02.720 --> 1:17:05.519 it's entirely coincidental, but I just happened to be in 1:17:05.560 --> 1:17:09.000 the United States as the Joe Biden White House melted 1:17:09.000 --> 1:17:12.920 it down after his catastrophic debate performance the other night, 1:17:13.439 --> 1:17:16.200 and ever since then, I and many others have been 1:17:16.280 --> 1:17:20.880 left with a million questions, the biggest one being if 1:17:21.000 --> 1:17:25.240 Joe Biden is too incompetent and is incapacitated and isn't 1:17:25.320 --> 1:17:28.599 running the country, than just who the hell is? 1:17:29.920 --> 1:17:32.120 As long as I gave it my all and I 1:17:32.280 --> 1:17:34.160 did the goodest job as I know I can do, 1:17:34.960 --> 1:17:36.280 That's what this is about. 1:17:37.040 --> 1:17:41.599 The goodest job. Yes, he did goodest for you, mister President. 1:17:42.080 --> 1:17:45.439 And by the way, you need to contrast how Joe 1:17:45.439 --> 1:17:49.080 Biden was at that debate to how he sounded just 1:17:49.200 --> 1:17:50.160 four years ago. 1:17:51.160 --> 1:17:55.080 Nobody making less than four hundred thousand dollars will pay 1:17:55.080 --> 1:17:56.360 a penny more in tax. 1:17:56.120 --> 1:17:57.759 Under my proposal. That's a promise. 1:17:57.880 --> 1:18:00.840 That's a guarantee, promise, I give you my words, a Biden, 1:18:00.880 --> 1:18:02.280 that's an absolute guarantee. 1:18:02.360 --> 1:18:04.320 Can you think it's a good idea to raise taxes 1:18:04.400 --> 1:18:06.080 when the economy's in dire straits? 1:18:06.400 --> 1:18:07.800 Depending who you're raising them on. 1:18:08.000 --> 1:18:10.679 Look, if you're raising somebody who's making a billion dollars 1:18:10.720 --> 1:18:13.080 a year, it's not a problem that they pay thirty 1:18:13.160 --> 1:18:15.519 nine point six percent, which everybody should pay. 1:18:15.600 --> 1:18:17.160 Rais another ninety billion dollars. 1:18:18.040 --> 1:18:21.240 Now, whatever you think about taking somebody's word as a 1:18:21.479 --> 1:18:25.880 Biden boy. You simply cannot tell me that something has 1:18:25.960 --> 1:18:30.679 not happened to that man over the past four years. Anyway, now, 1:18:30.760 --> 1:18:34.479 as we know, the Democrats are attempting the ultimate cleanup 1:18:34.560 --> 1:18:38.439 on Isisle Joe, a cleanup operation the size of Chared 1:18:38.439 --> 1:18:43.560 Noble to salvage their hold on power with for the moment. 1:18:43.320 --> 1:18:45.400 At least this guy at the Helm. 1:18:46.280 --> 1:18:49.000 As part of this program, Joe Biden sat down on 1:18:49.080 --> 1:18:53.240 Friday for a pre recorded, heavily edited interview with none 1:18:53.360 --> 1:18:57.000 other than George Stephanopoulos to prove that he was indeed 1:18:57.600 --> 1:18:59.080 of sound mind. 1:18:58.920 --> 1:19:01.440 And body towards Stephanopolis. 1:19:01.479 --> 1:19:03.280 By the way, for those of us with long memories, 1:19:03.760 --> 1:19:05.920 was the guy who has a young staffer on the 1:19:06.040 --> 1:19:10.280 nineteen ninety two Bill Clinton campaign helped clean up what 1:19:10.320 --> 1:19:16.479 were then colloquially known as bimbo eruptions charming, so I 1:19:16.520 --> 1:19:19.759 think we know why he was chosen for this gig. Anyway, 1:19:20.120 --> 1:19:23.040 Let's see how it all went down, shall we. Among 1:19:23.080 --> 1:19:26.280 other things, Joe Biden was unable to remember if he 1:19:26.360 --> 1:19:30.960 even watched a replay of his disastrous debate with Donald Trump. 1:19:32.080 --> 1:19:33.960 Did you ever watch the debate afterwards? 1:19:35.840 --> 1:19:36.920 I don't think I didn't know. 1:19:37.720 --> 1:19:38.400 Well, what I'm trying. 1:19:38.479 --> 1:19:40.120 What I want to get at is what were you 1:19:40.280 --> 1:19:42.280 experiencing as you were going through the debate? 1:19:42.280 --> 1:19:44.000 Did you know how badly it was going? 1:19:44.560 --> 1:19:44.880 Yeah? 1:19:44.920 --> 1:19:54.559 Look, and he declared that he was otherwise fine. The 1:19:54.600 --> 1:19:57.960 slack jawed, glassy eyed performance was just the result of 1:19:57.960 --> 1:19:59.640 a cold and bad preparation. 1:20:01.080 --> 1:20:03.439 You and your team have said you had a bad night, 1:20:04.240 --> 1:20:07.640 but your friend Nancy Pelosi actually framed the question I 1:20:07.640 --> 1:20:08.040 think is on. 1:20:08.040 --> 1:20:09.680 The minds of millions of Americans. 1:20:10.280 --> 1:20:12.840 Was this a bad episode with a sign of a 1:20:12.840 --> 1:20:13.960 more serious condition. 1:20:15.240 --> 1:20:16.200 It's a bad episode. 1:20:16.479 --> 1:20:21.160 Uh, no indication any serious condition. I was exhausted. I 1:20:21.240 --> 1:20:25.280 did listen to my instincts. 1:20:23.600 --> 1:20:27.320 Stounding so great and vigorous there because otherwise well, his 1:20:27.439 --> 1:20:30.559 performance in office has been so good. He was able 1:20:30.560 --> 1:20:34.800 to brag to George Stephanopolis about his foreign policy prowess. 1:20:36.120 --> 1:20:38.320 And the question on so many people's minds right now 1:20:38.439 --> 1:20:41.519 is can you serve effectively for the next four years? 1:20:42.280 --> 1:20:45.960 George, I'm the guy that put NATO together the future. 1:20:46.600 --> 1:20:49.080 No one thought they could expand it. I'm the guy 1:20:49.120 --> 1:20:50.120 that shut PUTIN down. 1:20:50.479 --> 1:20:51.479 No one thought could happen. 1:20:52.600 --> 1:20:54.800 What and again with the creepy. 1:20:54.439 --> 1:20:59.000 Whisper, Sorry, sir, you said you shut putted down. 1:20:59.080 --> 1:20:59.920 I'm leading it. 1:21:00.120 --> 1:21:03.240 Put did invade Ukraine and tie himself even more close 1:21:03.280 --> 1:21:06.280 to with China on your watch, to say nothing of 1:21:06.360 --> 1:21:11.000 the dumpster fire, the releast caused by your fecklessness. Seriously, 1:21:11.400 --> 1:21:16.240 what planet is this guy on? But anyway, Biden did 1:21:16.320 --> 1:21:20.240 press on and said he's drawing the big crowds. That 1:21:20.439 --> 1:21:22.599 prove he's going to get over the line. 1:21:23.640 --> 1:21:25.200 What's your plan to turn the campaign around? 1:21:26.640 --> 1:21:31.040 You saw it today? How many feature do you draw 1:21:31.120 --> 1:21:34.720 crowds like I'm during day? If I'm any more enthusiastic 1:21:34.760 --> 1:21:37.120 through today, I mean. 1:21:37.760 --> 1:21:39.120 I don't think you want to play the crowd game. 1:21:39.160 --> 1:21:40.679 Donald Trump can draw big crowds. 1:21:42.439 --> 1:21:43.599 Well, ain't that the truth? 1:21:43.760 --> 1:21:46.840 And this was, in fact the size of Biden's big 1:21:46.880 --> 1:21:51.599 crowd at a campaign rally in Wisconsin earlier in the day. 1:21:52.040 --> 1:21:53.120 I swear, look at it, it. 1:21:52.960 --> 1:21:55.680 Looks like the Madison chapter of Friends of the ABC. 1:21:56.720 --> 1:21:59.559 But after showing up an hour late to that, Joe 1:21:59.640 --> 1:22:03.439 Biden then did manage to forget what year it was. 1:22:05.120 --> 1:22:07.760 Oh, be Donald Trump, I will beat him again in 1:22:07.880 --> 1:22:14.320 twenty twenty. Well, by the way, we're gonna join again 1:22:14.360 --> 1:22:15.360 in twenty twenty four. 1:22:16.560 --> 1:22:19.000 Well yeah, nice clean up there, Eddie showed. 1:22:18.680 --> 1:22:35.280 His characteristic bigger anyway. 1:22:35.520 --> 1:22:38.400 Now here's the important thing to understand about what's been 1:22:38.439 --> 1:22:40.880 going on for the past two weeks. It isn't just 1:22:40.960 --> 1:22:44.639 about the big truth of Joe Biden's mental state finally 1:22:44.720 --> 1:22:48.000 being revealed for old c No, the problem is a 1:22:48.040 --> 1:22:51.320 lot bigger, and there is still one massive question again 1:22:51.880 --> 1:22:55.000 no one is able to answer, because now we know 1:22:55.120 --> 1:22:58.479 the truth. What we all suspected all along was correct. 1:22:59.120 --> 1:23:03.280 Joe Biden simply in the midst of an irreversible physical 1:23:03.280 --> 1:23:05.920 and method decline. He is not up to the job, 1:23:05.960 --> 1:23:08.519 and if he were a relative of yours or mine, 1:23:08.840 --> 1:23:12.200 we'd be having serious family discussions about what to do, 1:23:12.960 --> 1:23:17.000 not instead making him run for president again. In an 1:23:17.040 --> 1:23:21.760 absolute bombshell piece published two days ago, New York Magazine's 1:23:21.760 --> 1:23:25.920 Olivia Nutsie said, we have learned that the president's own 1:23:26.080 --> 1:23:30.559 supporters have been horrified seeing his inability to recall names, 1:23:30.800 --> 1:23:34.320 stay for events, and even just generally looking cadaverous at 1:23:34.320 --> 1:23:37.640 events within close Biden circles too. It turns out the 1:23:37.720 --> 1:23:42.600 question remains who is really running the country? 1:23:46.640 --> 1:23:49.719 Great question there, James let's try and find out. Joining 1:23:49.800 --> 1:23:54.479 us is Hudson Institute Senior fellow Michael Duran live from Washington, 1:23:54.600 --> 1:23:57.479 d C. Great to see you, as always, Mike. Who's 1:23:57.560 --> 1:23:58.599 running the country. 1:24:00.479 --> 1:24:02.559 Burunck Obama is running the country? 1:24:05.960 --> 1:24:08.960 Tell us, tell us, Mike, your take on the last 1:24:09.000 --> 1:24:12.160 week and you know who will be who? 1:24:12.680 --> 1:24:12.880 You know? 1:24:12.920 --> 1:24:15.120 Will Joe Biden survive through to the election? 1:24:17.560 --> 1:24:19.759 Let me start with the last question. Will you survive 1:24:19.840 --> 1:24:24.880 through to the election? Nobody knows. It's it's amazing to watch. 1:24:24.920 --> 1:24:27.519 I have to say, I haven't been you know, I'm 1:24:27.680 --> 1:24:30.519 primarily a foreign policy guy focused on the Middle East. 1:24:30.880 --> 1:24:34.439 I haven't been so interested in American politics for a 1:24:34.479 --> 1:24:38.839 long time. Because it's an incredible drama. You know, twenty 1:24:38.920 --> 1:24:41.240 years from now, this is going to make some for 1:24:41.360 --> 1:24:45.400 some great movies when people actually in Hollywood will tell 1:24:45.439 --> 1:24:48.599 the truth about about what's really going on right now. 1:24:48.680 --> 1:24:49.800 Nobody, nobody, who. 1:24:49.800 --> 1:24:52.360 The people who make movies won't tell us what's actually 1:24:52.479 --> 1:24:56.840 wouldn't buy wouldn't They're dramatize what's what's really going on? 1:24:57.400 --> 1:25:01.880 But it isn't the classic case of an immovable object 1:25:02.240 --> 1:25:07.120 meeting an irresistible force. As long as Biden himself won't 1:25:07.160 --> 1:25:08.080 step aside. 1:25:08.800 --> 1:25:10.240 They're really stuck with him. 1:25:11.240 --> 1:25:14.400 The process of moving him out is going to be 1:25:14.479 --> 1:25:17.280 so damaging to the party and so difficult and probably 1:25:17.560 --> 1:25:21.600 really impossible to do that. I think they're going to 1:25:21.720 --> 1:25:24.720 just try to rally around as we're seeing. But just 1:25:24.760 --> 1:25:30.640 as James said, his decline is so obvious, it's so undeniable. 1:25:31.000 --> 1:25:34.240 The truth is out. We can't fake it anymore. And 1:25:34.360 --> 1:25:36.400 he's not going to get any better as he goes 1:25:36.439 --> 1:25:39.680 along here. So I don't know how. I can't tell 1:25:39.720 --> 1:25:40.880 you exactly what's going to happen. 1:25:41.000 --> 1:25:43.880 We just have to watch this incredible drama and we 1:25:43.880 --> 1:25:47.320 can imagine the great dramas that it's going to produce 1:25:47.720 --> 1:25:49.160 in Hollywood twenty years from now. 1:25:49.240 --> 1:25:51.960 Well, let's talk about the great Mike, let's talk about 1:25:52.000 --> 1:25:54.439 the great dramas in Middle East and foreign policy. 1:25:54.479 --> 1:25:56.880 As you said, that's your area of expertise. 1:25:57.360 --> 1:26:00.960 How dangerous is it now for the world that we 1:26:01.080 --> 1:26:03.839 have a visibly incompetent. 1:26:05.000 --> 1:26:07.920 President. Will Iran sees this as. 1:26:07.800 --> 1:26:10.679 An opportunity to cause far more trouble in the Middle East? 1:26:10.720 --> 1:26:13.519 Will China see it as an opportunity. What's your Middle 1:26:13.560 --> 1:26:14.960 and what's your foreign policy take. 1:26:16.000 --> 1:26:17.479 I think, I think it's very dangerous. 1:26:17.479 --> 1:26:21.800 I think we're living through one of the most dangerous 1:26:21.800 --> 1:26:26.799 times of my lifetime. The and I think if Trump 1:26:26.920 --> 1:26:29.880 wins in and when when do we have We have 1:26:29.960 --> 1:26:33.320 the election in November. If he wins in November, then 1:26:33.360 --> 1:26:35.920 I think that period between November and January is going 1:26:36.000 --> 1:26:37.240 to be extremely dangerous. 1:26:37.360 --> 1:26:39.120 It's going to be the most dangerous. 1:26:38.680 --> 1:26:45.800 Point, uh of all. I think all of the adversaries 1:26:45.840 --> 1:26:51.200 are trying to pocket what they can under under Biden. 1:26:51.520 --> 1:26:53.320 I don't want to say that they're they're going to 1:26:53.400 --> 1:26:57.639 try to push us to war, or that would be dangerous. 1:26:57.680 --> 1:27:02.000 We're still an extremely powerful country and there are people 1:27:02.000 --> 1:27:04.280 who are still making decisions that who have the authority 1:27:04.320 --> 1:27:07.439 to make decisions and so I but but there's clearly 1:27:07.439 --> 1:27:12.720 a recognition I think by Iran especially that that there's 1:27:12.800 --> 1:27:14.960 a lot to be there's a lot of benefit to 1:27:15.000 --> 1:27:20.760 be had at this particular moment because the entire Biden administration, 1:27:20.960 --> 1:27:23.960 not just the President himself but all of his senior 1:27:24.120 --> 1:27:27.439 advisors believe in stabilizing the Middle. 1:27:27.240 --> 1:27:29.040 East by working with Iran. 1:27:29.680 --> 1:27:34.120 UH and so they have they have this this administration 1:27:34.600 --> 1:27:38.840 that is weak and that is and that's favorably inclined 1:27:38.880 --> 1:27:39.639 toward them. 1:27:39.680 --> 1:27:41.559 So they're going to try to pocket everything they can. 1:27:41.640 --> 1:27:44.840 I think, well, that weakness has been evident for some time, 1:27:45.160 --> 1:27:52.320 and we've had eleven embassies evacuated under Biden, and embassies 1:27:52.360 --> 1:27:56.120 have been attacked, and you mentioned Iran, But what about 1:27:56.240 --> 1:27:59.439 China in these final months of the Biden administration? What 1:27:59.520 --> 1:28:03.160 we think will the final months, are they likely to 1:28:03.160 --> 1:28:03.719 make a move? 1:28:05.040 --> 1:28:06.880 I think they're going to try to erode us. 1:28:08.600 --> 1:28:13.400 My my sense with the Chinese is the thing that's 1:28:13.439 --> 1:28:18.640 really restraining them at the moment is their own economic problems. 1:28:18.680 --> 1:28:23.080 They have some really gaping holes in their economy and 1:28:23.640 --> 1:28:27.880 a major conflict with the United States could could be 1:28:28.000 --> 1:28:30.400 very damaging to them. So I think that that is 1:28:30.439 --> 1:28:33.640 probably holding them back. But they're gonna they're going to 1:28:33.680 --> 1:28:37.040 try to to erode our power as they've been doing 1:28:37.080 --> 1:28:41.880 all along and with Taiwan, uh, you know, by by death, 1:28:41.920 --> 1:28:45.639 by a thousand cuts, rather than trying to make one big, 1:28:45.720 --> 1:28:47.240 you know, boom and we're finished. 1:28:47.880 --> 1:28:50.920 Move Michael, I want to just come back though, to 1:28:51.040 --> 1:28:54.880 the domestic side of things and the Democrats. Because you 1:28:55.040 --> 1:28:59.440 studied foreign policy, you studied foreign regimes, You've studied revolutions, 1:28:59.720 --> 1:29:01.920 and what it feels like to me is watching on 1:29:01.960 --> 1:29:05.439 the Democrat side. You know what a preference cascade develops, 1:29:05.439 --> 1:29:09.439 and when suddenly one person says, suddenly it's okay to 1:29:09.479 --> 1:29:12.479 say that the leader has no power and that this 1:29:12.520 --> 1:29:15.160 is all an empty suit of closed everybody is now 1:29:15.200 --> 1:29:18.559 coming out and saying the same thing. Are we seeing 1:29:18.640 --> 1:29:20.320 that kind of thing? I mean, I'm reminded of like 1:29:20.320 --> 1:29:23.000 when Romania fell and when Eastern European countries fell, and 1:29:23.000 --> 1:29:25.240 everybody just said, nah, you know what, We're not doing 1:29:25.240 --> 1:29:27.639 it anymore. This guy, We're done with him. How does 1:29:27.680 --> 1:29:31.479 Biden maintain any respect within his party? 1:29:31.280 --> 1:29:35.759 That is exactly what I find so fascinating about this moment. 1:29:36.160 --> 1:29:43.200 I heard Rowan's long, long commentary about twenty thirty minutes 1:29:43.240 --> 1:29:46.720 ago where he went through and said, you know, what 1:29:47.160 --> 1:29:52.400 about what about on climate change and what about on gender? 1:29:54.040 --> 1:29:56.439 Are we going to see cracks in the whole edifice? 1:29:56.479 --> 1:30:01.280 Because what they've done so well since Obama is gaslight 1:30:01.520 --> 1:30:05.120 the rest of us. If you if you say, you know, 1:30:05.320 --> 1:30:07.800 maybe it's not a good idea to give sixty billion 1:30:07.840 --> 1:30:08.759 dollars to they ran. 1:30:10.760 --> 1:30:13.160 Or if you say maybe. 1:30:13.920 --> 1:30:17.360 Maybe Barack Obama is living still living in Washington, d C. 1:30:17.880 --> 1:30:19.880 Because he's still playing a major role. 1:30:20.000 --> 1:30:20.160 Man. 1:30:20.400 --> 1:30:23.920 He's not necessarily running the whole government, but still playing 1:30:23.960 --> 1:30:27.799 a major role in politics. That's unprecedented in our history. 1:30:28.520 --> 1:30:31.760 If you say those things, you get immediately branded as 1:30:31.760 --> 1:30:35.759 a conspiracy theorist or a denier of one sort or another. 1:30:36.400 --> 1:30:38.800 People roll their eyes at you in the room. You 1:30:38.800 --> 1:30:42.280 guys know this all the well. They do it extremely well. 1:30:42.600 --> 1:30:46.360 And suddenly they can't do that on the most on 1:30:46.680 --> 1:30:49.960 a major issue. And they were just just a few 1:30:49.960 --> 1:30:53.000 weeks ago they were denying. They were all of them 1:30:53.040 --> 1:30:57.200 were testifying about his mental acuity and so on, and 1:30:57.240 --> 1:30:59.639 then suddenly we all see that it's that the Emperor 1:30:59.640 --> 1:31:03.160 has no close So I do wonder what the cascade 1:31:03.200 --> 1:31:07.160 effect will be. But I come out of academia and 1:31:07.479 --> 1:31:11.160 I want I lost an argument with a friend of 1:31:11.160 --> 1:31:14.560 mine twenty years ago where I said that their wokeness 1:31:14.600 --> 1:31:17.560 and academia the pendulum had moved so far to the 1:31:17.640 --> 1:31:20.280 left that it inevitably was going to move back to 1:31:20.320 --> 1:31:23.599 the right. And I since I left academia, and I'm 1:31:23.720 --> 1:31:27.760 so glad I did it. Never it never, it never 1:31:27.800 --> 1:31:31.280 went back going and going, and going and going, and 1:31:31.560 --> 1:31:36.120 all the rules of the sense that we have that 1:31:36.120 --> 1:31:38.880 that truth will set you free, and that the truth 1:31:38.960 --> 1:31:40.240 has a power all its own. 1:31:40.479 --> 1:31:43.280 I do believe that it does. But the thing that 1:31:43.360 --> 1:31:44.120 I've learned. 1:31:43.920 --> 1:31:46.960 In the last twenty years is that is that truth 1:31:47.040 --> 1:31:49.000 is less powerful than I thought it was. 1:31:49.520 --> 1:31:53.280 Michael, wanted to ask you about here in Australia this week, 1:31:53.400 --> 1:31:58.120 the Australian government, the Labor government, called a junior minister, 1:31:58.200 --> 1:32:01.599 not even the foreign minister. The junior Foreign minister called 1:32:01.640 --> 1:32:06.120 in a mere Maiman, the Israeli ambassador and said we 1:32:06.200 --> 1:32:09.120 will not support you if you get engaged with hes. 1:32:09.040 --> 1:32:10.839 Boala in the North. 1:32:11.200 --> 1:32:16.400 Now you're a Middle East expert, what does are you surprised? 1:32:16.520 --> 1:32:17.080 Horrified? 1:32:17.160 --> 1:32:21.360 What's your reaction to some petty official in the Australian 1:32:21.400 --> 1:32:25.519 government dressing down the Israeli ambassador and saying Australia will 1:32:25.520 --> 1:32:28.520 not support you if you go in to defend yourself 1:32:28.760 --> 1:32:29.560 from Hezbola. 1:32:31.680 --> 1:32:35.840 I'm not surprised at all, and it wouldn't surprise me 1:32:36.120 --> 1:32:39.320 if they got an urging or a wink and a 1:32:39.439 --> 1:32:42.200 nod from the Americans to do that. That is the 1:32:43.479 --> 1:32:46.439 that is the message that the Americans are sending to 1:32:46.520 --> 1:32:53.879 the Israelis if the really serious enemy that the Israelis 1:32:54.080 --> 1:32:56.280 are having much more problem, a much bigger problem with 1:32:56.280 --> 1:32:59.880 Hamas than they ever thought they would. But his Bla 1:33:00.240 --> 1:33:03.639 is the most serious enemy they have, in some ways 1:33:03.720 --> 1:33:06.360 even more serious than Iran. I mean, Iran is, of 1:33:06.400 --> 1:33:11.160 course the power behind all of these enemies of Israel. 1:33:11.560 --> 1:33:13.639 But his Belah has. 1:33:13.479 --> 1:33:16.920 One hundred and fifty thousand rockets and missiles a massed 1:33:17.040 --> 1:33:21.479 right on Israel's border. Some ten or twenty thousand of 1:33:21.520 --> 1:33:26.519 those are precision guided. His Belah alone can overwhelm Iron 1:33:26.560 --> 1:33:31.720 Dome and do hit all of the critical national infrastructure 1:33:31.760 --> 1:33:36.639 of Israel. So the real threat, let's say, the center 1:33:36.680 --> 1:33:40.599 of gravity of the threat that Iran poses to Israel 1:33:40.920 --> 1:33:45.760 is through his Belah and the administration. The Biden administration 1:33:46.320 --> 1:33:49.160 wants to end the war in Gaza today it once 1:33:49.200 --> 1:33:54.200 attended two months ago, if not before, because it's afraid 1:33:54.320 --> 1:33:59.240 of Israel going after his Belah. And it's afraid of 1:33:59.280 --> 1:34:03.120 that because for many different reasons, but among them is 1:34:03.160 --> 1:34:08.360 that it completely destroys their view of regional order, which 1:34:08.400 --> 1:34:11.320 is to be achieved in their mind by reaching some 1:34:11.400 --> 1:34:15.439 kind of strategic accommodation with Iran. The conflict between the 1:34:15.520 --> 1:34:20.640 Law and Israel is the point at which where the 1:34:20.680 --> 1:34:24.439 Biden Administration's Iran engagement policy. 1:34:25.640 --> 1:34:26.719 Really falls apart. 1:34:27.640 --> 1:34:30.720 Mike Duran, that's amazing. Thank you so much for those insights. 1:34:30.760 --> 1:34:34.439 Great to have your expertise, Michael Duran, middle East and 1:34:34.560 --> 1:34:38.120 foreign expert there in was in the Bush administration as well. 1:34:38.160 --> 1:34:40.680 Great to always have Mike here on Outsiders. 1:34:40.840 --> 1:34:41.519 Thanks so much. 1:34:41.600 --> 1:34:45.559 After the break, we'll show you what Mahren Marin Ferruki 1:34:45.840 --> 1:34:48.880 said on Insiders. Just a few moments you go what 1:34:49.040 --> 1:34:52.439 somebody watched it seriously in a ticket. 1:34:58.240 --> 1:35:01.519 Hello, you're watching Outsiders. I'm James Morrow, and it is 1:35:01.720 --> 1:35:04.240 great to be back here on deck after a couple 1:35:04.280 --> 1:35:07.720 of weeks away with my good friends Rina panahe at 1:35:07.800 --> 1:35:11.080 Rowan Dean and of course all you outsiders out there 1:35:11.080 --> 1:35:16.360 who fight the good fight against stupidity every single day. Anyway, 1:35:16.680 --> 1:35:19.479 it's entirely coincidental, but I just happened to be in 1:35:19.520 --> 1:35:22.920 the United States as the Joe Biden White House melted 1:35:22.960 --> 1:35:26.880 it down after his catastrophic debate performance the other night, 1:35:27.400 --> 1:35:30.200 and ever since then, I and many others have been 1:35:30.280 --> 1:35:34.840 left with a million questions, the biggest one being if 1:35:34.960 --> 1:35:39.200 Joe Biden is too incompetent and is incapacitated and isn't 1:35:39.280 --> 1:35:42.559 running the country, then just who the hell is? 1:35:43.880 --> 1:35:46.080 As long as I gave it my all and I 1:35:46.240 --> 1:35:48.120 did the goodest job as I know I can do, 1:35:48.920 --> 1:35:50.320 That's what this is about. 1:35:51.000 --> 1:35:55.559 The goodest job. Yes, he did goodest for you, mister President. 1:35:56.040 --> 1:35:59.400 And by the way, you need to contrast how Joe 1:35:59.400 --> 1:36:03.040 Biden was at that debate to how he sounded just 1:36:03.160 --> 1:36:04.120 four years ago. 1:36:05.120 --> 1:36:09.040 Nobody making less than four hundred thousand dollars will pay 1:36:09.040 --> 1:36:11.000 a penny more in tax under my proposal. 1:36:11.080 --> 1:36:11.719 That's a promise. 1:36:11.840 --> 1:36:14.799 That's a guarantee, a promise I give you my words, Abiden, 1:36:14.840 --> 1:36:16.240 that's an absolute guarantee. 1:36:16.360 --> 1:36:18.280 And you think it's a good idea to raise taxes 1:36:18.360 --> 1:36:20.520 when the economy's in dire straits. 1:36:20.360 --> 1:36:21.840 Depending who you're raising them on. 1:36:21.960 --> 1:36:24.639 Look, if you're raising somebody who's making a billion dollars 1:36:24.680 --> 1:36:27.040 a year, it's not a problem that they pay thirty 1:36:27.120 --> 1:36:29.479 nine point six percent, which everybody should pay. 1:36:29.560 --> 1:36:31.120 Raise another ninety billion dollars. 1:36:32.000 --> 1:36:35.240 Now, whatever you think about taking somebody's word as a 1:36:35.439 --> 1:36:39.840 Biden boy, you simply cannot tell me that something has 1:36:39.920 --> 1:36:44.639 not happened to that man over the past four years. Anyway, Now, 1:36:44.720 --> 1:36:48.439 as we know, the Democrats are attempting the ultimate cleanup 1:36:48.520 --> 1:36:52.799 on Aisle Joe, a cleanup operation the size of Chared Noble, 1:36:53.280 --> 1:36:57.439 to salvage their hold on power with for the moment, at. 1:36:57.439 --> 1:36:59.360 Least this guy at the help. 1:37:00.240 --> 1:37:02.960 As part of this program, Joe Biden sat down on 1:37:03.040 --> 1:37:07.200 Friday for a pre recorded, heavily edited interview with none 1:37:07.320 --> 1:37:10.960 other than George Stephanopolis to prove that he was indeed 1:37:11.560 --> 1:37:15.800 of sound mind and body. George Stephanopolis, by the way, 1:37:15.840 --> 1:37:18.240 for those of us with long memories, was the guy 1:37:18.280 --> 1:37:21.040 who has a young staffer on the nineteen ninety two 1:37:21.120 --> 1:37:25.680 Bill Clinton campaign helped clean up what were then colloquially 1:37:25.760 --> 1:37:30.960 known as bimbo eruptions Charman. So I think we know 1:37:31.080 --> 1:37:34.679 why he was chosen for this gig. Anyway, Let's see 1:37:34.680 --> 1:37:37.439 how it all went down, shall we. Among other things, 1:37:37.520 --> 1:37:41.080 Joe Biden was unable to remember if he even watched 1:37:41.120 --> 1:37:44.920 a replay of his disastrous debate with Donald Trump. 1:37:46.040 --> 1:37:47.920 Did you ever watch the debate afterwards? 1:37:49.800 --> 1:37:50.840 I don't think I didn't know. 1:37:51.680 --> 1:37:53.360 Well, I'm trying what I want to get at is 1:37:53.720 --> 1:37:56.240 what were you experiencing as you were going through the debate? 1:37:56.240 --> 1:37:58.000 Did you know how badly it was going? 1:37:58.520 --> 1:37:58.840 Yeah? 1:37:58.840 --> 1:38:08.519 Look, and he declared that he was otherwise fine. The 1:38:08.560 --> 1:38:11.920 slack jawed, glassy odd performance was just the result of 1:38:11.920 --> 1:38:13.600 a cold and bad preparation. 1:38:15.040 --> 1:38:17.400 You and your team have said you had a bad night, 1:38:18.200 --> 1:38:21.600 but your friend Nancy Pelosi actually framed the question I 1:38:21.600 --> 1:38:21.920 think is. 1:38:21.920 --> 1:38:23.640 On the minds of millions of Americans. 1:38:24.240 --> 1:38:26.800 Was this a bad episode with a sign of a 1:38:26.800 --> 1:38:27.920 more serious condition. 1:38:29.200 --> 1:38:33.240 It's a bad episode, no indication any serious condition. 1:38:33.320 --> 1:38:37.560 I was exhausted. I did listen to my instincts. 1:38:37.320 --> 1:38:40.800 The sounding so great and vigorous there because otherwise well, 1:38:41.200 --> 1:38:44.200 his performance in office has been so good. He was 1:38:44.240 --> 1:38:48.719 able to brag to George Stephanopoulos about his foreign policy prowess. 1:38:50.080 --> 1:38:52.280 And the question on so many people's minds right now 1:38:52.400 --> 1:38:55.479 is can you serve effectively for the next four years? 1:38:56.240 --> 1:38:59.920 George, I'm the guy that put NATO together the future. 1:39:00.560 --> 1:39:03.080 No one thought they could expand it. I'm the guy 1:39:03.080 --> 1:39:06.800 that shut Putin down. No one thought could happen. What 1:39:07.040 --> 1:39:08.760 and again with the creepy. 1:39:08.400 --> 1:39:13.840 Whisper, Sorry, sir, you said you shut Putin down? Did 1:39:14.040 --> 1:39:17.280 Putin invade Ukraine and tie himself even more close to 1:39:17.400 --> 1:39:20.400 with China on your watch, to say nothing of the 1:39:20.479 --> 1:39:25.559 dumpster fire the releast caused by your fecklessness. Seriously, what 1:39:25.760 --> 1:39:30.599 planet is this guy on? But anyway, Biden did press 1:39:30.640 --> 1:39:34.679 on and said he's drawing the big crowds. That prove 1:39:35.120 --> 1:39:36.479 he's going to get over the line. 1:39:37.600 --> 1:39:39.160 What's your plan to turn the campaign around? 1:39:40.600 --> 1:39:43.559 You saw it today? 1:39:43.200 --> 1:39:43.559 How many? 1:39:43.760 --> 1:39:46.240 How many feature you didn't draw crowds like I'm drenday 1:39:47.320 --> 1:39:49.240 if I'm any more enthusiastic through today. 1:39:50.760 --> 1:39:52.640 I mean, I don't think you want to play the 1:39:52.680 --> 1:39:53.080 crowd game. 1:39:53.120 --> 1:39:54.639 Donald Trump can draw big crowds. 1:39:56.400 --> 1:39:57.559 Well, ain't that the truth? 1:39:57.720 --> 1:40:00.800 And this was, in fact the size of Biden's big 1:40:00.840 --> 1:40:05.559 crowd at a campaign rally in Wisconsin earlier in the day. 1:40:06.000 --> 1:40:07.799 I swear to look at it, it looks like the Madison 1:40:07.880 --> 1:40:09.640 chapter of Friends of the ABC. 1:40:10.680 --> 1:40:12.799 But after showing up an half hour late. 1:40:12.680 --> 1:40:16.439 To that, Joe Biden then did manage to forget what 1:40:16.600 --> 1:40:17.400 year it was. 1:40:19.080 --> 1:40:21.760 Oh, bet, Donald Trump, I will beat him again in 1:40:21.840 --> 1:40:28.040 twenty twenty. Well, by the way, we're going to join 1:40:28.080 --> 1:40:29.320 again in twenty twenty four. 1:40:30.520 --> 1:40:49.240 Well, yeah, nice cleanup there, Eddie showed his characteristic bigger anyway. 1:40:49.479 --> 1:40:52.360 Now here's the important thing to understand about what's been 1:40:52.400 --> 1:40:54.840 going on for the past two weeks. It isn't just 1:40:54.920 --> 1:40:58.599 about the big truth of Joe Biden's mental state finally 1:40:58.680 --> 1:41:02.639 being revealed for old. No, the problem is a lot bigger, 1:41:02.680 --> 1:41:06.280 and there is still one massive question again no one 1:41:06.320 --> 1:41:09.559 is able to answer, because now we know the truth. 1:41:09.800 --> 1:41:12.439 What we all suspected all along was correct. 1:41:13.080 --> 1:41:16.760 Joe Biden is simply in the midst of an irreversible 1:41:16.800 --> 1:41:19.880 physical and method decline. He is not up to the job, 1:41:19.920 --> 1:41:22.479 and if he were a relative of yours or mine, 1:41:22.800 --> 1:41:26.160 we'd be having serious family discussions about what to do, 1:41:26.920 --> 1:41:30.880 not instead making him run for president again. In an 1:41:31.000 --> 1:41:35.720 absolute bombshell piece published two days ago, New York Magazine's 1:41:35.720 --> 1:41:39.880 Olivia Nutsie said, we have learned that the president's own 1:41:40.040 --> 1:41:44.519 supporters have been horrified seeing his inability to recall names, 1:41:44.760 --> 1:41:48.280 stay for events, and even just generally looking cadaverous at 1:41:48.280 --> 1:41:50.759 events within close Biden's circles. 1:41:50.800 --> 1:41:50.960 Too. 1:41:50.960 --> 1:41:53.120 It turns out the question remains. 1:41:53.040 --> 1:41:56.519 Who is really running the country? 1:42:00.640 --> 1:42:03.679 Great question there, James, Let's try and find out joining 1:42:03.760 --> 1:42:08.439 US is Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Michael Duran live from Washington, 1:42:08.560 --> 1:42:10.760 d C. Great to see you, as always, Mike. 1:42:11.160 --> 1:42:13.040 Who's running the country. 1:42:14.439 --> 1:42:16.599 Our uncle Obama is running the country. 1:42:20.520 --> 1:42:23.679 Tell us, Mike, your take on the last week and 1:42:24.400 --> 1:42:26.120 you know who will be who? 1:42:26.640 --> 1:42:26.840 You know? 1:42:26.880 --> 1:42:29.080 Will Joe Biden survive through to the election? 1:42:31.520 --> 1:42:33.759 Let me start with the last question. Will you survive 1:42:33.800 --> 1:42:38.840 through to the election? Nobody knows. It's amazing to watch. 1:42:38.880 --> 1:42:41.479 I have to say I haven't been you know, I'm 1:42:41.680 --> 1:42:44.519 primarily a foreign policy guy focused on the Middle East. 1:42:44.840 --> 1:42:48.400 I haven't been so interested in American politics for a 1:42:48.439 --> 1:42:52.799 long time. Because it's an incredible drama. You know, twenty 1:42:52.880 --> 1:42:55.200 years from now, this is going to make some for 1:42:55.320 --> 1:42:59.360 some great movies when people actually in Hollywood will tell 1:42:59.360 --> 1:43:02.559 the truth about about what's really going on right now. 1:43:02.640 --> 1:43:05.680 Nobody who the people who make movies won't tell us 1:43:05.680 --> 1:43:10.400 what's actually wouldn't buy wouldn't They're dramatize what's what's really 1:43:10.400 --> 1:43:15.240 going on. It isn't the classic case of an immovable 1:43:15.320 --> 1:43:20.600 object meeting an irresistible force. As long as Biden himself 1:43:20.760 --> 1:43:25.960 won't step aside, they're really stuck with him. The process 1:43:26.080 --> 1:43:29.320 of moving him out is going to be so damaging 1:43:29.360 --> 1:43:32.520 to the party and so difficult and probably really impossible 1:43:32.560 --> 1:43:36.040 to do that. I think they're going to just try 1:43:36.080 --> 1:43:37.639 to rally around as we're seeing. 1:43:38.240 --> 1:43:39.040 But just as. 1:43:39.000 --> 1:43:44.600 James said, his decline is so obvious, it's so undeniable. 1:43:44.960 --> 1:43:45.920 The truth is out. 1:43:46.080 --> 1:43:48.880 We can't fake it anymore, and he's not going to 1:43:48.920 --> 1:43:50.920 get any better as he goes along here. 1:43:51.200 --> 1:43:53.040 So I don't know how. 1:43:53.080 --> 1:43:55.040 I can't tell you exactly what's going to happen. We 1:43:55.120 --> 1:43:58.000 just have to watch this incredible drama and we can 1:43:58.080 --> 1:44:01.320 imagine the great drama is that it's going to produce 1:44:01.680 --> 1:44:03.120 in Hollywood twenty years from now. 1:44:03.200 --> 1:44:05.920 Well, let's talk about the great Mike, let's talk about 1:44:05.960 --> 1:44:08.400 the great dramas in Middle East and foreign policy. 1:44:08.439 --> 1:44:10.840 As you said, that's your area of expertise. 1:44:11.320 --> 1:44:14.920 How dangerous is it now for the world that we 1:44:15.040 --> 1:44:17.799 have a visibly incompetent. 1:44:18.960 --> 1:44:21.880 President. Will Iran sees this as. 1:44:21.760 --> 1:44:24.639 An opportunity to cause far more trouble in the Middle East? 1:44:24.680 --> 1:44:27.479 Will China see it as an opportunity. What's your middle 1:44:27.600 --> 1:44:28.920 what's your foreign policy take? 1:44:29.960 --> 1:44:31.439 I think I think it's very dangerous. 1:44:31.640 --> 1:44:35.760 I think we're living through one of the most dangerous 1:44:35.760 --> 1:44:40.759 times of my lifetime. The and I think if Trump 1:44:40.880 --> 1:44:44.000 wins in and when do we have we have the 1:44:44.160 --> 1:44:47.400 election in November. If he wins in November, then I 1:44:47.400 --> 1:44:50.040 think that period between November and January is going to 1:44:50.040 --> 1:44:51.200 be extremely dangerous. 1:44:51.320 --> 1:44:53.200 It's going to be the most dangerous point. 1:44:55.520 --> 1:45:00.439 Of all. I think all of the adversaries are trying 1:45:00.479 --> 1:45:05.800 to pocket what they can under under Biden. I don't 1:45:05.800 --> 1:45:08.000 want to say that they're they're going to try to 1:45:08.000 --> 1:45:11.840 push us to war, or that would be dangerous. We're 1:45:11.840 --> 1:45:15.960 still an extremely powerful country, UH, and there are people 1:45:15.960 --> 1:45:18.240 who are still making decisions and who have the authority 1:45:18.280 --> 1:45:21.400 to make decisions and so I but but there's clearly 1:45:21.400 --> 1:45:26.679 a recognition, I think by Iran especially that that there's 1:45:26.760 --> 1:45:28.920 a lot to be there's a lot of benefit to 1:45:28.960 --> 1:45:34.720 be had at this particular moment because the entire Biden administration, 1:45:34.920 --> 1:45:37.920 not just the president himself but all of his senior 1:45:38.080 --> 1:45:43.000 advisors believe in stabilizing the Middle East by working with Iran. 1:45:43.640 --> 1:45:43.880 UH. 1:45:43.920 --> 1:45:48.680 And so they have they have this this administration that 1:45:48.840 --> 1:45:53.559 is weak and that is and that's favorably inclined toward them. 1:45:53.640 --> 1:45:55.519 So they're going to try to pocket everything they can. 1:45:55.600 --> 1:45:58.840 I think, well, that weakness has been evident for some time, 1:45:59.120 --> 1:46:06.400 and we've had eleven embassies evacuated under Biden, embassies have 1:46:06.439 --> 1:46:10.599 been attacked, and you mentioned Iran, But what about China 1:46:10.880 --> 1:46:13.559 In these final months of the Biden administration, what we 1:46:13.600 --> 1:46:17.120 think will be the final months, are they likely to 1:46:17.120 --> 1:46:17.679 make a move. 1:46:19.000 --> 1:46:20.840 I think they're going to try to erode us. 1:46:22.560 --> 1:46:27.360 My my sense with the Chinese is the thing that's 1:46:27.400 --> 1:46:32.600 really restraining them at the moment is their own economic problems. 1:46:32.640 --> 1:46:37.040 They have some really gaping holes in their economy and 1:46:37.600 --> 1:46:41.840 a major conflict with the United States could could be 1:46:41.960 --> 1:46:44.360 very damaging to them. So I think that that is 1:46:44.400 --> 1:46:47.600 probably holding them back. But they're gonna they're going to 1:46:47.640 --> 1:46:51.000 try to to erode our power, as they've been doing 1:46:51.040 --> 1:46:55.840 all along, and with Taiwan, you know, by by death, 1:46:55.880 --> 1:46:59.200 by a thousand cuts, rather than trying to make one 1:46:59.280 --> 1:47:01.200 big you know, boom and we're finished. 1:47:01.840 --> 1:47:03.439 Move Michael. 1:47:03.479 --> 1:47:05.720 I want to just come back though, to the domestic 1:47:06.479 --> 1:47:10.320 side of things and the Democrats, because you studied foreign policy, 1:47:10.479 --> 1:47:14.160 you studied foreign regimes, you've studied revolutions, and what it 1:47:14.200 --> 1:47:17.160 feels like to me is watching on the Democrat side. 1:47:17.280 --> 1:47:20.160 You know what, a preference cascade develops, and when suddenly 1:47:20.439 --> 1:47:23.840 one person says, suddenly it's okay to say that the 1:47:23.880 --> 1:47:26.800 leader has no power and that this is all an 1:47:26.800 --> 1:47:30.160 empty suit of closed everybody is now coming out and 1:47:30.240 --> 1:47:31.280 saying the same thing. 1:47:31.720 --> 1:47:33.320 Are we seeing that kind of thing? 1:47:33.320 --> 1:47:35.320 I mean, I'm reminded of like when Romania fell and 1:47:35.320 --> 1:47:38.240 when Eastern European countries fell, and everybody just said, nah, 1:47:38.320 --> 1:47:40.120 you know what, We're not doing it anymore. This guy, 1:47:40.479 --> 1:47:43.200 We're done with him. How does Biden maintain any respect 1:47:43.479 --> 1:47:45.439 within his party? 1:47:45.240 --> 1:47:49.719 That is exactly what I find so fascinating about this moment. 1:47:50.120 --> 1:47:57.160 I heard Rowan's long, long commentary about twenty thirty minutes 1:47:57.200 --> 1:48:00.680 ago where he went through a said, you know, what 1:48:01.120 --> 1:48:06.360 about what about on climate change? And what about on gender? 1:48:08.000 --> 1:48:10.400 Are we going to see cracks in the whole edifice? 1:48:10.439 --> 1:48:15.240 Because what they've done so well since Obama is gaslight 1:48:15.479 --> 1:48:19.080 the rest of us. You if you say, you know, 1:48:19.280 --> 1:48:21.759 maybe it's not a good idea to give sixty billion 1:48:21.800 --> 1:48:28.160 dollars to they ran, Or if you say maybe maybe 1:48:28.240 --> 1:48:31.320 Barack Obama is living still living in Washington, d C. 1:48:31.840 --> 1:48:34.640 Because he's still playing a major role. Man, He's not 1:48:34.680 --> 1:48:38.280 necessarily running the whole government, but still playing a major 1:48:38.360 --> 1:48:42.720 role in politics. That's unprecedented in our history. If you 1:48:42.800 --> 1:48:46.440 say those things, you get immediately branded as a conspiracy 1:48:46.479 --> 1:48:49.719 theorist or a denier of one sort or another. 1:48:50.360 --> 1:48:52.760 People roll their eyes at you in the room. You 1:48:52.760 --> 1:48:53.479 guys know this. 1:48:53.439 --> 1:48:57.520 All the well, they do it extremely well. And suddenly 1:48:58.000 --> 1:49:01.720 they can't do that on the on a major issue. 1:49:01.960 --> 1:49:04.439 And and they were just just a few weeks ago 1:49:04.520 --> 1:49:08.360 they were denying. They were all of them were testifying 1:49:08.520 --> 1:49:11.400 about his mental aculity and and so on. And then 1:49:11.439 --> 1:49:13.760 suddenly we all see that it's that the emperor has 1:49:13.840 --> 1:49:16.640 no close So I do wonder. 1:49:16.320 --> 1:49:17.800 What the cascade effect will be. 1:49:18.200 --> 1:49:22.960 But I I come out of academia, and I want 1:49:23.080 --> 1:49:26.040 I lost an argument with a friend of mine twenty 1:49:26.120 --> 1:49:29.320 years ago where I said that their wokeness and academia 1:49:29.520 --> 1:49:32.280 the pendulum had moved so far to the left that 1:49:32.360 --> 1:49:34.639 it inevitably was going to move back to the right. 1:49:34.720 --> 1:49:38.320 And I since have left academia, and I'm so glad 1:49:38.360 --> 1:49:42.280 I did it. Never it never, it never went back, 1:49:43.000 --> 1:49:46.160 going and going and going and going, and all the 1:49:46.680 --> 1:49:50.080 all the rules of the sense that we have, that 1:49:50.080 --> 1:49:52.439 that that truth will set you free, and that the 1:49:52.520 --> 1:49:55.120 truth has a power all its own. I do believe 1:49:55.160 --> 1:49:57.920 that it does. But the thing that I've learned in 1:49:57.920 --> 1:50:01.080 the last twenty years is that is that truth is 1:50:01.360 --> 1:50:02.960 less powerful than I thought it was. 1:50:03.479 --> 1:50:07.280 Michael, wanted to ask you about here in Australia this week, 1:50:07.360 --> 1:50:12.080 the Australian government, a labor government, called a junior minister, 1:50:12.200 --> 1:50:13.400 not even the foreign minister. 1:50:14.000 --> 1:50:15.480 The junior foreign minister. 1:50:15.280 --> 1:50:19.880 Called in a mere Maiman, the Israeli ambassador and said 1:50:19.920 --> 1:50:22.680 we will not support you if you get engaged with 1:50:22.760 --> 1:50:26.840 Hesbola in the North. Now you're a Middle East expert, 1:50:27.400 --> 1:50:30.360 what does are you surprised? 1:50:30.479 --> 1:50:31.040 Horrified? 1:50:31.120 --> 1:50:35.320 What's your reaction to some petty official in the Australian 1:50:35.360 --> 1:50:39.479 government dressing down the Israeli ambassador and saying Australia will 1:50:39.479 --> 1:50:42.480 not support you if you go in to defend yourself 1:50:42.720 --> 1:50:43.520 from Hezbola. 1:50:45.640 --> 1:50:49.800 I'm not surprised at all, and it wouldn't surprise me 1:50:50.080 --> 1:50:53.320 if they got an urging or a wink and a 1:50:53.400 --> 1:50:57.920 nod from the Americans to do that. That is the 1:50:58.120 --> 1:51:02.720 message that the Americans are sending to the Israelis the 1:51:05.320 --> 1:51:09.240 really serious enemy the Israelis are having much more problem, 1:51:09.360 --> 1:51:11.280 a much bigger problem with Hamas than they ever thought 1:51:11.280 --> 1:51:15.960 they would. But his Belah is the most serious enemy 1:51:15.960 --> 1:51:19.120 they have, in some ways even more serious than Iran. 1:51:19.200 --> 1:51:22.439 I mean, Iran is, of course the power behind all 1:51:22.479 --> 1:51:25.120 of these enemies of Israel. 1:51:25.520 --> 1:51:27.599 But his Belah has. 1:51:27.439 --> 1:51:30.880 One hundred and fifty thousand rockets and missiles a massed 1:51:31.000 --> 1:51:35.439 right on Israel's border. Some ten or twenty thousand of 1:51:35.479 --> 1:51:40.479 those are precision guided. His Belah alone can overwhelm Iron 1:51:40.520 --> 1:51:45.680 Dome and do hit all of the critical national infrastructure 1:51:45.720 --> 1:51:50.599 of Israel. So the real threat, let's say, the center 1:51:50.680 --> 1:51:54.559 of gravity of the threat that Iran poses to Israel 1:51:54.880 --> 1:51:59.720 is through his Belah and the administration. The Biden administration 1:52:00.280 --> 1:52:03.120 wants to end the war in Gaza today it once 1:52:03.160 --> 1:52:08.160 attended two months ago, if not before, because it's afraid 1:52:08.280 --> 1:52:12.200 of the of the of Israel going after his Belah. 1:52:12.240 --> 1:52:15.400 And it's afraid of that because for many different reasons, 1:52:15.439 --> 1:52:20.080 but among them is that it completely destroys their their 1:52:20.200 --> 1:52:23.479 view of regional order, which is to be achieved in 1:52:23.520 --> 1:52:27.240 their mind by reaching some kind of strategic accommodation with Iran. 1:52:27.880 --> 1:52:29.960 The conflict between Bellah. 1:52:29.760 --> 1:52:34.600 And Israel is the point at which were where the 1:52:34.640 --> 1:52:38.400 Biden Administration's Iran engagement policy. 1:52:39.600 --> 1:52:40.719 Really falls apart. 1:52:41.320 --> 1:52:43.880 Wow, Mike Duran, that's amazing. Thank you so much for 1:52:43.920 --> 1:52:47.920 those insights. Great to have your expertise, Michael Duran, middle 1:52:47.960 --> 1:52:49.680 East and foreign expert. 1:52:49.360 --> 1:52:52.080 There in was in the Bush administration as well. 1:52:52.120 --> 1:52:55.080 Great to always have Mike here on outside as Thanks 1:52:55.080 --> 1:52:57.839 so much. After the break, we'll show you what Marin 1:52:58.600 --> 1:53:01.800 Marin Ferruki said on Insiders just. 1:53:01.720 --> 1:53:06.040 A few moments ago. What somebody watched it seriously A. 1:53:06.080 --> 1:53:06.479 Take it. 1:53:13.360 --> 1:53:17.879 Hyperboll the world of hyperbole, as pronounced by Julia Gillard 1:53:17.960 --> 1:53:22.200 extreme exaggeration. Well, I think Marine Ferouki was rushed in 1:53:22.280 --> 1:53:25.280 to get her hyperbol entry and just in the neck 1:53:25.320 --> 1:53:28.320 of time she was there on Insiders to show that 1:53:28.400 --> 1:53:29.120 copied outs. 1:53:29.280 --> 1:53:30.000 Sorry they didn't. 1:53:30.000 --> 1:53:32.519 Actually they were their first one that yes, anyway, whatever 1:53:33.320 --> 1:53:35.800 on Insiders, this is what she had to say. 1:53:36.840 --> 1:53:39.080 But a security bridge at Parliament House, you're a senator, 1:53:39.120 --> 1:53:40.600 is that something you want to encourage. 1:53:41.600 --> 1:53:47.519 We're not encouraging any protests that are you know, violent, 1:53:48.160 --> 1:53:49.640 And I think it was a bit rich of the 1:53:49.680 --> 1:53:52.799 Prime Minister to say that kind of unfurling a banner 1:53:53.280 --> 1:53:56.479 from the top of the Parliament House was somehow not 1:53:56.520 --> 1:53:57.519 a peaceful protest. 1:53:58.640 --> 1:54:04.240 Reader, there's no nothing, But where do you start. They 1:54:04.479 --> 1:54:09.080 unfurled a genocider message. They said, from the river to 1:54:09.160 --> 1:54:11.479 the sea, Palasige will be free, which means there is 1:54:11.520 --> 1:54:15.240 no Israel. The only Jewish state is eradicated. So to 1:54:15.280 --> 1:54:18.719 say that's the Prime Minister himself is on the record 1:54:18.840 --> 1:54:21.599 saying that is a violent message that has no place 1:54:21.600 --> 1:54:26.040 in Australia. So and to have these people breach Parliament's 1:54:26.600 --> 1:54:27.720 House security, to. 1:54:27.680 --> 1:54:28.080 Have the. 1:54:29.800 --> 1:54:33.960 Our Parliament tainted by that, and for her to just 1:54:34.080 --> 1:54:37.120 be almost approving of it because there was no one. 1:54:37.040 --> 1:54:39.720 Bashed Rita, I'm sorry. I'm going to say, you have 1:54:39.800 --> 1:54:42.400 gone far too late on these people here. You've been 1:54:42.440 --> 1:54:44.560 far too easy on them. You know, the idea that 1:54:44.640 --> 1:54:48.720 this was a peaceful protest, No, I'm sorry, it absolutely wasn't. 1:54:48.760 --> 1:54:54.000 When you put that red Hamas triangle onto your batter, 1:54:54.320 --> 1:54:57.960 that is a symbol that says this is a target 1:54:58.200 --> 1:55:01.520 to Hamas. That's the number one thing. Number two. They 1:55:01.720 --> 1:55:05.120 scaled fences, they climbed up onto a roof, They controlled 1:55:05.200 --> 1:55:08.920 the commanding heights of the entrance to Parliament House after 1:55:09.000 --> 1:55:11.800 a security upgrade of what one hundred and twenty one 1:55:11.840 --> 1:55:16.840 hundred and fifty million dollars that apparently was completely useless money. 1:55:17.720 --> 1:55:20.600 Now I want to know also how this was allowed 1:55:20.640 --> 1:55:24.000 to happen. Who let these people near the building? Was 1:55:24.040 --> 1:55:27.040 there any inside help. There's a lot of questions. There 1:55:27.040 --> 1:55:31.000 needs to be an absolutely full investigation these people. Yes, fine, 1:55:31.040 --> 1:55:33.800 they had banners, although very distasteful banners that could have 1:55:33.840 --> 1:55:35.920 been a lot worse. There needs to be a full 1:55:35.920 --> 1:55:39.080 investigation into what happened. This is where the public goes, 1:55:39.200 --> 1:55:42.120 this is where school kids go, This is where parliamentarians 1:55:42.160 --> 1:55:42.760 meet people. 1:55:43.080 --> 1:55:46.720 This is not on one hundred percent. James here here 1:55:46.840 --> 1:55:50.000 great tightly. Now let's lighten it a little bit here 1:55:50.200 --> 1:55:52.600 for we're going to do this in lefty lunacy earlier. 1:55:52.640 --> 1:55:56.960 But this is a this is the classic trick fight 1:55:57.000 --> 1:55:58.400 the left with their own arguments. 1:55:58.400 --> 1:55:58.960 So what happened. 1:55:59.000 --> 1:56:01.600 This was one of the gay pride marches or whatever 1:56:01.640 --> 1:56:05.040 in the States, and there's a woman who's dressed up 1:56:05.080 --> 1:56:07.280 and all the thing, and the interviewer comes along and 1:56:07.320 --> 1:56:08.320 accuses her of. 1:56:08.240 --> 1:56:12.400 Being a trans woman. Have a little look and listen. 1:56:12.560 --> 1:56:16.880 What happens. It's great. When I first transitioned, I realized 1:56:17.000 --> 1:56:18.000 very quickly. 1:56:17.640 --> 1:56:19.919 That my I am became about my community. 1:56:20.120 --> 1:56:23.200 I am Jessica, a pilot with Alaska Airline. 1:56:23.240 --> 1:56:26.680 Is sorry, that's a different one. That's the wrong. 1:56:28.320 --> 1:56:28.839 What happened? 1:56:28.920 --> 1:56:31.320 No, no, no, the. 1:56:31.520 --> 1:56:34.120 Magic of what happens behindest and you wouldn't believe it's 1:56:34.160 --> 1:56:34.520 so good. 1:56:35.000 --> 1:56:39.240 No, beautiful trans woman out here, tell us about your transition? 1:56:39.320 --> 1:56:41.800 How I no. 1:56:42.360 --> 1:56:43.520 So I have a question for you. 1:56:43.600 --> 1:56:44.640 Why are you asking me those questions? 1:56:44.720 --> 1:56:47.000 If we're interviewing like trans women and stuff like that, 1:56:47.000 --> 1:56:49.360 I'm not a trans woman. I'm a oh no, no, 1:56:49.400 --> 1:56:51.880 we're support fully supportive. Do you want to talk about 1:56:52.000 --> 1:56:54.600 sort of transitioning or anything like that, or like what people. 1:56:54.480 --> 1:56:55.400 Going to do a transition? 1:56:55.560 --> 1:56:56.760 Because I was born a woman? 1:56:57.360 --> 1:56:58.880 No, of course you're a woman. Of course. 1:56:59.320 --> 1:57:01.400 Does it make a trans woman any less of a woman? 1:57:01.520 --> 1:57:01.600 No? 1:57:01.720 --> 1:57:02.880 You are one hundred percent. 1:57:03.440 --> 1:57:04.360 I'm not a trans woman. 1:57:04.680 --> 1:57:07.160 Is there another definition that people like to use? 1:57:07.400 --> 1:57:09.240 Or you thought I was a man? 1:57:12.080 --> 1:57:15.040 We go the end? 1:57:15.120 --> 1:57:18.200 She witfully term. She was all on board and well, 1:57:18.200 --> 1:57:20.400 this is what happens. And I saw that pop star 1:57:20.600 --> 1:57:24.040 Pink have a similar reaction. When someone posted a picture 1:57:24.080 --> 1:57:27.680 of a trans woman in her and then she was 1:57:27.800 --> 1:57:30.880 absolutely appalled and outraged and a daughter saw this. But 1:57:30.920 --> 1:57:34.440 it's like, well, no, you say, anyone who identifies as 1:57:34.440 --> 1:57:36.120 a woman as a woman, So why would you be 1:57:36.240 --> 1:57:39.440 upset by this comparison. That's a woman, and they're comparing 1:57:39.480 --> 1:57:42.160 you to a woman with a similar haircut. Deal with it. 1:57:42.240 --> 1:57:44.400 Bite them, James, with their own logic. 1:57:45.320 --> 1:57:46.480 This is a great theater. 1:57:46.760 --> 1:57:49.080 And this is where the right always wins, because when 1:57:49.080 --> 1:57:50.800 they have a sense of humor, they win, you know. 1:57:51.000 --> 1:57:52.880 And this is what goes back to the Olinsky thing. 1:57:52.920 --> 1:57:55.400 This goes back to Soul Olinsky and rules for radicals. 1:57:55.640 --> 1:57:59.040 Make your opponents pay the rules that they would oppose 1:57:59.080 --> 1:57:59.520 on you. 1:57:59.680 --> 1:58:01.640 Exit now just quickly. 1:58:02.520 --> 1:58:05.280 I think we've got this grab here a's of some 1:58:05.440 --> 1:58:11.120 soldiers talking about when Donald Trump went to Afghanistan and 1:58:11.480 --> 1:58:14.280 basically threatened a threat, and we'll have a listen here 1:58:14.280 --> 1:58:14.520 we go. 1:58:15.760 --> 1:58:18.080 President Trump looked at at the Taliban leader and said this, 1:58:19.840 --> 1:58:22.640 I want to leave Afghanistan, but it's going to be 1:58:22.640 --> 1:58:26.880 a conditions based withdraw and translator translated, and he said, 1:58:27.040 --> 1:58:31.000 if you harm a hair on a single American, I'm 1:58:31.000 --> 1:58:40.600 going to kill you, and a translator goes, Trump goes. 1:58:39.760 --> 1:58:40.280 What I said. 1:58:41.400 --> 1:58:43.760 And then as he got up to leave, Donald Trump 1:58:43.840 --> 1:58:47.000 handed a phone to the Afghanistan leader on which was 1:58:47.000 --> 1:58:51.720 a photo of that Afghanistan leader's house and family. That 1:58:52.080 --> 1:58:55.680 was Donald Trump in power. That is what is why 1:58:55.760 --> 1:58:57.839 you have strong leaders, not week leaders. 1:58:58.000 --> 1:59:03.720 James Congressman to soldiers, Sorry, it's not an emotion. 1:59:03.760 --> 1:59:06.240 I would the most soldiers are more honorable than most Congressman, 1:59:06.240 --> 1:59:09.480 although perhaps not in that case. That said, that said, 1:59:09.600 --> 1:59:11.560 you know, this goes back to also the great lie 1:59:11.920 --> 1:59:14.440 that Joe Biden told during that debate when he said, 1:59:14.520 --> 1:59:16.720 you know, nobody had died on his watch. I'm sorry, 1:59:16.720 --> 1:59:19.200 what about the thirteen Americans you died and Americans who 1:59:19.240 --> 1:59:22.280 got held hostage? You weren't allowed to leave during the chaotic, 1:59:22.440 --> 1:59:27.240 disgraceful withdrawal from Afghanistan, which was the moment I think 1:59:27.280 --> 1:59:30.320 when the Biden administration really started to fall apart, and 1:59:30.360 --> 1:59:32.480 the entire world looked and said, well, this is what 1:59:32.520 --> 1:59:34.280 you get, and that's how we had October seventh that 1:59:34.520 --> 1:59:35.080 we had not ran. 1:59:35.320 --> 1:59:36.640 That's rope, shine and everything else. 1:59:36.760 --> 1:59:39.080 Trump is very much to have done something similar with 1:59:39.200 --> 1:59:41.200 Pusian where He said to him, if you want to 1:59:41.200 --> 1:59:44.200 invade Ukraine again, if you have good ideas like you've 1:59:44.200 --> 1:59:47.480 had to lose your guest, No, no, he said, I'll 1:59:47.560 --> 1:59:48.160 bomb Mosco