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Speaker 15: Well, is there an early election in the air, James
Speaker 15: and Rita? Could Albo be planning in August election? This
Speaker 15: is the scuttle butt that's out there on social media
Speaker 15: this morning. Our friend Andrew Clanell has just.
Speaker 2: Said, has just been on absolutely no way, Rita.
Speaker 3: But PVO Peter van Onnsklin there on the Daily Mail
Speaker 3: is convinced or suggesting that we could be seeing an
Speaker 3: early election as the Albanese government slowly falls apart.
Speaker 2: I added that bit that's not Peter's words.
Speaker 6: Rita. Well, there were rumors earlier in the week as well,
Speaker 6: and Treasurer Jim Chalmers said no, no, no, there's none
Speaker 6: none of that. We're not to have any such plans.
Speaker 6: But these rumors do persist, and well placed sources are
Speaker 6: saying this is something that's perhaps being thought about at
Speaker 6: the highest levels. Obviously, the interest rate situation in this
Speaker 6: country is a concern for the Albanesi government. They were
Speaker 6: hoping for four or five cuts this year, but it
Speaker 6: looks like interest rates might be going the other direction
Speaker 6: because inflation is now four percent, So that is obviously
Speaker 6: a huge consideration because cost of living pressures are already
Speaker 6: biting hard and we've got yet another interest rate rise.
Speaker 6: That's really going to be fairly grim for the Albanesi government.
Speaker 6: And when I started hearing talk about wedding plans, I
Speaker 6: thought there's an election on the one.
Speaker 2: James, welcome back, Thank you. So how was the States?
Speaker 10: We want to hear all the States was great.
Speaker 4: We'll be talking a bit more about the States and
Speaker 4: some of the shenanigans that have been going on in
Speaker 4: that Biden White House a little bit later on in
Speaker 4: the program. But yeah, no, it's great to be back here.
Speaker 4: But I will say this August thirty first election not
Speaker 4: going to happen. A couple of reasons for that. Number one,
Speaker 4: you've got a reserve back meeting first week of August,
Speaker 4: so you know they don't want to have that happening
Speaker 4: in the middle of an election campaign. Number two, You've
Speaker 4: got Queensland. Queensland's going to an election. Everybody in Queensland's
Speaker 4: got their baseball bats out there for that labor government.
Speaker 4: Albo does not want to get in the way of that.
Speaker 2: No sure, but the argument would be that the longer
Speaker 2: Alban easy.
Speaker 10: Police, he'll he'll go a bit later in the year.
Speaker 4: He is not going to go to the full term
Speaker 4: to March or May or whenever next year.
Speaker 10: Not on your life.
Speaker 6: But yeah, after Queensland would make sense if he wants
Speaker 6: to go early. You're right, you wouldn't give Queensland as
Speaker 6: a reason to bash you first before they go after Smiley.
Speaker 6: But after the Queensland election, that would make sense because absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 6: an interest rate increase, possibly in August, will be bad,
Speaker 6: but two three more would be really bad.
Speaker 4: The thing is, too, is all of this stuff here
Speaker 4: follow the economic argument they're making. Everybody sees through this.
Speaker 4: Everybody knows that this government is is basically lying to
Speaker 4: them when they say, oh, no, we're giving you inflation relief,
Speaker 4: but it's not inflationary. It's this magic sort of credit
Speaker 4: that doesn't actually wind up pushing up price to ejecting
Speaker 4: more money into the economy. And I think the RBA,
Speaker 4: after they said the whole thing at the budget about
Speaker 4: we're going to put the three hundred dollars against your
Speaker 4: power bill before giving it to you, that was a
Speaker 4: way to try and gave inflation. I think the RBA
Speaker 4: seeds through that, and there's going to be a lot
Speaker 4: of temptation there to punish them.
Speaker 3: Well, whenever the election comes, it can't come soon enough.
Speaker 3: We have to get rid of this out of an
Speaker 3: easy government. We have to at least push it into
Speaker 3: minority status. But I would prefer see a complete change
Speaker 3: of government. Already, the nuclear argument seems to be reversing
Speaker 3: now and running in the favor of the coalition. There's
Speaker 3: a poll that has come out which shows that even
Speaker 3: in the Teal seats people are turning towards the nuclear idea.
Speaker 3: And of course they would, because the Teal seats were
Speaker 3: all predicated on pretty wealthy people who believe in the
Speaker 3: climate cult idea, but who want to see us get
Speaker 3: to net zero. The quickest way, as any intelligent person
Speaker 3: realizes who knows basic science, is the quickest way to
Speaker 3: get to net zero is to have a source of
Speaker 3: reliable and reliable base load power so we can use
Speaker 3: forever and which we have an abundance of and that
Speaker 3: is nuclear power in Australia.
Speaker 2: But what's interesting, Reta.
Speaker 3: Is you see in the teal seats the figures are
Speaker 3: changing and moving towards nuclear, but still the Albanesi government
Speaker 3: is pushing this ridiculous scare campaign.
Speaker 6: Well, of course they are, because they have gone down
Speaker 6: the renewaballs road very heavily, and there's a lot of
Speaker 6: people who have invested a great deal of money expecting
Speaker 6: those taxpayer subsidies and guarantees. There's so much market intervention
Speaker 6: in the renewable sector. It is so to me rotten
Speaker 6: because you're not letting the market decide. If this was
Speaker 6: actually the cheapest form of energy, if it made sense,
Speaker 6: it was sustainable, long term provided base load power that
Speaker 6: a first world economy needs, then you wouldn't need these
Speaker 6: tax bay subsidies to so straight up, So of course
Speaker 6: they're terrified of this. They've put everything into the renewables basket.
Speaker 6: And as we've discussed, if you've got nuclear reactors and
Speaker 6: you've got reliable, cheap, clean energy, why do you need
Speaker 6: to be polluting the countryside with windmills and solar. It
Speaker 6: really corrupts that entire process of saying we're going to
Speaker 6: have this transfer to renewables. Why would you do that
Speaker 6: if you've got nuclear as an option and you're sitting
Speaker 6: on the world's biggest reserves of uranium. That's all.
Speaker 2: Listen to Peter Dutton yesterday talking about it.
Speaker 16: The choice between Labour's reckless renewables only policy that will
Speaker 16: see the energy bills of Australians saw even more than
Speaker 16: what people have already experienced. All the coalions plan for cheaper,
Speaker 16: cleaner and consistent energy, which includes Australia becoming a nuclear
Speaker 16: powered nation, a visionary policy unlike any put forward by
Speaker 16: a political part of this century.
Speaker 3: The only argument James, that I would put forward for
Speaker 3: Albow going earlier to the polls is because the longer
Speaker 3: the nuclear debate runs, it's just like the voice, the
Speaker 3: more and more people yes start to go, oh, actually
Speaker 3: this looks quite good, this nuclear thing.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go the nuclear rate it would.
Speaker 4: Be rong And I'm so glad that you said that.
Speaker 4: You are absolutely spot on. What is happening right now
Speaker 4: is the voice two point oh, there are so many
Speaker 4: similarities to this. You know, you can see it in
Speaker 4: the way the polls started out on this. You know, people,
Speaker 4: I'm not so sure about nuclear and so on, but
Speaker 4: just relentlessly prosper if you do the case. You know,
Speaker 4: in the same way that you said, and the Dutton
Speaker 4: and the Coalition and Advanced all said this voice thing
Speaker 4: is ultimately destructive for Australia and it will make life
Speaker 4: in Australia worse. The same thing goes for Chris Bowen's
Speaker 4: renewables plan. Now, the tricky political thing for Dutt is
Speaker 4: that the best way through the polls is to say
Speaker 4: we're going to do nuclear end renewables, because if we
Speaker 4: start to turn it into a fight between those two,
Speaker 4: labor starts to get an upper hand. So the key
Speaker 4: for Dutted is to say nuclear, compliments renewables and compliments
Speaker 4: gas and compliments this suite of energy policies. That's how
Speaker 4: he gets it over the line. And if the energy
Speaker 4: bills go up again, energy bills is going to keep
Speaker 4: going up. You know, if renewables really were the cheapest
Speaker 4: form of energy, why is it that our power bills
Speaker 4: keep going up? Right there? We know this and we
Speaker 4: know that the CSIRO through there gen and cost report.
Speaker 4: We know that all the assumptions that they made that
Speaker 4: went into that wound up making it look very much
Speaker 4: like renewables were cheap. We know our lived experience to
Speaker 4: use a phrase left gloves. Doesn't you know agree with that?
Speaker 4: And so that's the challenge. I think this becomes Voice
Speaker 4: two point zero for Peter Dott and renewables are now
Speaker 4: the big idea that they had after the Voice lost,
Speaker 4: and they're going to lose this one.
Speaker 2: Too, absolutely. But Reacher, I love the idea.
Speaker 3: I just want to move on from this to Chris Bowen,
Speaker 3: the Coalition's secret weapon.
Speaker 2: By the way, Chris Boone saying, love this story, Love
Speaker 2: this story.
Speaker 3: There's a guy called Frank Carbone or Carbone out there
Speaker 3: in the Western suburbs. He is the mayor of Fairfield
Speaker 3: and he wants to run against Chris Bowen at the
Speaker 3: next election. Well, I love this because Chris Bowen will
Speaker 3: be defeated by someone whose name is Carbon. Carbon defeats Bowen.
Speaker 3: It couldn't be any sweeter. Bring that election on, and
Speaker 3: I want to be there when those votes are counted
Speaker 3: and Bowen goes down to CO two itself.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: Interesting discuss Russian James like to get your opinion on this.
Speaker 2: On populism.
Speaker 3: So there was an article by Paul Kelly in the
Speaker 3: newspaper deriding so called populism.
Speaker 2: This really gets my goat, as it.
Speaker 3: Were, because to me, populism is simply democracy, and by
Speaker 3: that I mean if enough people vote for a party,
Speaker 3: then that party wins and the wishes of the electorate
Speaker 3: make their way into parliament.
Speaker 2: Am I naive here, James?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no you are, because of course populism is what
Speaker 4: the people want. When what the people want disagrees with
Speaker 4: what the establishment wants, you see, so now establishment wins.
Speaker 10: It's democracy.
Speaker 4: Actually, it's more the democracy role and read it, it's
Speaker 4: our democracy, Joe Bider democracy. Everything outside is far right.
Speaker 4: All right, here's something really interesting, and I think we
Speaker 4: this comes into saying that we've talked about a lot
Speaker 4: of this program. Every single place where you see popular
Speaker 4: populace the far right, you know, oh this man on
Speaker 4: the far right, it is because people are sick of
Speaker 4: basically mass open borders migration, and they say, hang on, stop,
Speaker 4: this is having all sorts of negative effects. Green policies
Speaker 4: and green policies, but it's really in Europe where this
Speaker 4: migration issue is driving all of this vote to the right,
Speaker 4: and it is impossible for this establishment to say, you know,
Speaker 4: maybe we should actually give the people what they want
Speaker 4: and not have them go to the far right and
Speaker 4: maybe do what they want. But instead they keep trying
Speaker 4: to deal the populace out of the equation in Germany,
Speaker 4: trying to make them even illegal in some countries.
Speaker 6: Well, I think this is a really disappointing pace from
Speaker 6: someone you would expect more from, just really lacks such
Speaker 6: lax understanding, lax depth. It's the latest. It really is
Speaker 6: such a disappointing this sort of thing you'd expect to say,
Speaker 6: I don't know in the Huffington Post or Crikey. So
Speaker 6: I was surprised. Yes, there is a revolt against the
Speaker 6: open border policies that have impacted people's living standards, as
Speaker 6: a revolt against the green policies that have sent people
Speaker 6: into energy poverty. But this goes wider than that. I mean,
Speaker 6: you could call what's happening in Argentina populism, call what's
Speaker 6: happening in Ol Salvador, which was a reaction to the
Speaker 6: insane crime rate there, which has been solved. And what
Speaker 6: I really dislike about this piece about is that it's
Speaker 6: grievance devoid of genuine solutions. That's not the case. You
Speaker 6: look at what's happening in our Salvador, you look at
Speaker 6: what's happening Argentina, you look at what's happening throughout Europe.
Speaker 6: There are solutions and people are voting for those solutions.
Speaker 6: If you took that argument that any sort of democracy
Speaker 6: that I don't like is populism and you know, born
Speaker 6: out of ag grievance, well, was the Obama phenomenon populism?
Speaker 6: Because you would argue that.
Speaker 2: Was in the UK? Is that.
Speaker 10: Fascinating?
Speaker 4: What about the one million votes garnered by Joe Biden?
Speaker 10: Was that popular?
Speaker 9: Popular?
Speaker 2: But no, that was something else, but we won't go
Speaker 2: into that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just when people it's those key words people choose,
Speaker 6: like intersectionality, when they announce their pronouns to you, when
Speaker 6: they say populism without irony, I just the red flags
Speaker 6: go up, The red flags go up.
Speaker 3: Now, let's quickly go talk about the UK election. Got
Speaker 3: some great guests coming up. We've got Toby Young here
Speaker 3: in the studio. Shortly, we've got Mike Duran, Will talk
Speaker 3: about American politics with later in the show. But here's
Speaker 3: Rishi Sunak apologizing, I guess for not being populist enough.
Speaker 17: I have heard your anger, your disappointment, and I take
Speaker 17: responsibility for this loss.
Speaker 2: I am sorry.
Speaker 17: I have given this job my are but you have
Speaker 17: sent a clear signal that the government of the United
Speaker 17: Kingdom must change.
Speaker 2: Sorry, he hasn't heard the anger.
Speaker 3: Otherwise he would have done something in the last couple
Speaker 3: of years about the outrageous illegal immigration asylum seeking pouring
Speaker 3: across the Channel into Britainy would have done something about it.
Speaker 3: But no, they didn't. I love this breeza when politicians
Speaker 3: after the event, after they've been trounced, after they've ignored.
Speaker 2: Every single commentator or opinion piece or whatever they told
Speaker 2: and they were on the wrong track. So no, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I hear you.
Speaker 6: Now, No, and they don't. And the Tories deserve everything
Speaker 6: they copped and everything that's coming to them. They'll be
Speaker 6: lucky to be a party of the next election. They
Speaker 6: have betrayed their voters. They won with a massive landslide
Speaker 6: post Brexit, and then they governed like labor. They introduced
Speaker 6: these crazy green policies. They promised to have migration into
Speaker 6: tens of thousands. Last year it was a million.
Speaker 4: It's been not only reader, no, it's you know, the
Speaker 4: people voted very clearly in a referendum we want Brexit.
Speaker 4: Do they give them Brexit? No, they give them David Caerron,
Speaker 4: you know, they say we want custom immigration.
Speaker 2: Do they get there?
Speaker 4: No? They all share around that, you know, and let's
Speaker 4: not forget the other thing that was just horrendous was
Speaker 4: the huge COVID locked outs. You know, the COVID policies
Speaker 4: that they did.
Speaker 6: They were having passed whilst.
Speaker 4: They were having parties, so they deserve everything. Note here
Speaker 4: all of these headlines saying, oh, it's a labor landslide, Well,
Speaker 4: that's the first past the post system. But Labor increased
Speaker 4: its vote by I think two percent and the Reform
Speaker 4: Party took almost all of the Conservative vote away from it.
Speaker 4: So it is not that the UK is shifting left.
Speaker 4: It's just that's how the votes fell.
Speaker 6: Fascinating great thing where you've got thirty five percent of
Speaker 6: the vote going to labor, but they get something like
Speaker 6: sixty five percent of the seats. So that but that's
Speaker 6: the first part of the post system.
Speaker 4: That's what it is also because Reform held three quarters Cots.
Speaker 6: But Garaga's strategy, from what we understand, was always a
Speaker 6: two election strategies and he's got a foothold in there.
Speaker 6: And now if he can bring the Tories into the
Speaker 6: fold and actually have a vible Conservative party that's genuinely conservative,
Speaker 6: not just conservative in name, so the people of Britain
Speaker 6: are actually represented. I feel so sorry for that. I mean,
Speaker 6: this is like Victoria on steroids, where we really actually
Speaker 6: don't have a choice when we go to the polling booth,
Speaker 6: and these people don't have a choicepeacause.
Speaker 3: The fascinating thing reader about the election was that the populism,
Speaker 3: if you like, all the popular mood or the excitement
Speaker 3: was generated around Nigel Farage and Reform. That's where those
Speaker 3: Trump style rallies were. That's where people are getting excited.
Speaker 3: There's no enthusiast that there's no one really desperately excited
Speaker 3: to have Keir Starmer in number ten. No one is
Speaker 3: really particularly excited. It was just an inevitable result.
Speaker 2: But you're right reath to look at the next election.
Speaker 3: Nigel Farage is going to build a proper opposition to Labor,
Speaker 3: proper conservative opposition. Have a listen to Nigel Farage.
Speaker 18: This labor government will be in trouble very very quickly.
Speaker 18: We will now be targeting labor votes. We're coming for
Speaker 18: labor being no doubt about that. This is just the
Speaker 18: first step of something that is going to stun all
Speaker 18: of you.
Speaker 3: And have a listened to this guy, James mcmurdoch, who
Speaker 3: won unexpectedly the fifth seat.
Speaker 2: There for them. Sorry it's night. Have listened to Nigel
Speaker 2: talking to our candidate.
Speaker 18: James mcmurdoch was a paper candidate, drafted it at the
Speaker 18: last minute, former city boy, and he was an absolutely
Speaker 18: neck and neck with Labor in the scene. So I
Speaker 18: rang him up head. I said, look, give me the
Speaker 18: name your agent so I can find out what's happening
Speaker 18: because they were on the third recount. He said, I
Speaker 18: haven't got an agent. I'm my own agent. I said, well,
Speaker 18: who's in the hall watching the vote counting? He said,
Speaker 18: my mum and dad and he's one is an MP.
Speaker 3: Go on, my son, populism. That is populism, James.
Speaker 4: Well, that's democracy and I mean it's and so all
Speaker 4: of these people getting the vapors about it, like oh
Speaker 4: my god, the people voted for something that they wanted
Speaker 4: because we aren't happed with how the political class is governing.
Speaker 4: This is what we're seeing around the world. This is
Speaker 4: what this show is all about. This is why this
Speaker 4: show exists is because there is this political establishment that
Speaker 4: refuses to give people what they want or what people want.
Speaker 4: It's not populism, it's just democracy. Live with it, come
Speaker 4: up with better ideas.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, But Rita, there has been as well in part
Speaker 3: of this election, a strong Islamic Muslim candidates have been elected.
Speaker 3: We're seeing here shades of that here with Fatima Payman.
Speaker 3: Whether that will be a new party or a lobby
Speaker 3: group or whatever it's called here.
Speaker 6: Not in WI she's type.
Speaker 3: Have a listen to this character ad Than husseyin who
Speaker 3: is elected in the British election. Feel the love and
Speaker 3: the inclusion reader, I feel all warm.
Speaker 6: And we played the clips on this program a couple
Speaker 6: of weeks ago of Keir Starmer sitting down with Sadik
Speaker 6: Khan and talking about introducing more laws, more anti free
Speaker 6: speech laws to curb what he calls the rise in
Speaker 6: Islamophobia since October seven. So that's what he sees is
Speaker 6: a big issue in the UK. So get ready Britain,
Speaker 6: because yes, the Tories were hopeless, but this labor government
Speaker 6: that's going You look at what the individual MP's and
Speaker 6: the ones who are going to be in cabinet, what
Speaker 6: their track record is, what they have said on the record.
Speaker 6: These are radical individuals. This is not a moderate labor party.
Speaker 6: If you think the alb and Easy government is a
Speaker 6: little bit radical, this slot they're Corbyn's party. Corbyn may
Speaker 6: not be heading it, Corbyn's party and I think we
Speaker 6: are just going to see all sorts of things there
Speaker 6: that are going to alarm the community. And if Nigel
Speaker 6: Farage can remain interested in the role and stay there,
Speaker 6: because let's not forget, yes, he got like fourteen percent
Speaker 6: of the vote, it was only a three or four
Speaker 6: week campaign. So if he actually stay there for the
Speaker 6: stretch and builds a coalition and can actually vet the
Speaker 6: candidates and not you get around all those issues, he's
Speaker 6: going to have a lot of ammunition to deal with.
Speaker 3: He's the bloke basically single handedly took on the entire
Speaker 3: European establishment.
Speaker 2: He'll take on this mob. I have no doubt about that.
Speaker 3: Talk about Hutzpur, we had the Australian government lecturing the
Speaker 3: Israeli government on how to defend themselves. On We'll chat
Speaker 3: to David Adler and a tick about that, and of
Speaker 3: course Reta's reality check well coming up here on Outsiders.
Speaker 10: In a tick.
Speaker 6: Welcome back. You're watching Outsiders with your host Rowan Dean,
Speaker 6: James Morrow, and I'm Rita Patty And shortly we're going
Speaker 6: to be talking to doctor David Adler about some of
Speaker 6: the may and we have been seeing in our streets.
Speaker 6: But first, let's ponder for a moment about the woman
Speaker 6: who is one geriatric heartbeat away from the presidency and
Speaker 6: has been deemed the future of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 11: President Kamala Harris is because she is indeed the future of.
Speaker 2: The party.
Speaker 6: And what a party it will be led by this
Speaker 6: intellectual heavyweight, this visionary.
Speaker 19: We are watched the television coverage of just yesterday. That's
Speaker 19: on top of everything else that we know and don't
Speaker 19: know yet based on what we've just been able to see.
Speaker 19: And because we've seen it or not doesn't mean it
Speaker 19: hasn't happened.
Speaker 6: As President, Kamala Harris is a real possibility not to
Speaker 6: be elected. She is unelectable, but they may convince Joe
Speaker 6: Biden to step down and elevate her to the position
Speaker 6: of the most powerful human being in the world in
Speaker 6: the lead up to the election. Why they would contemplate
Speaker 6: such a move when the polls show that Harris would
Speaker 6: lose by an even bigger margin to Trump than Biden. Well,
Speaker 6: I can't answer that. The Democrats are demented and increasingly desperate,
Speaker 6: so anything is possible. But let's go back to Kamala
Speaker 6: who you know, she's out there on these streets.
Speaker 19: Yeah girl, I'm out here in these streets. And let
Speaker 19: me tell you you're right, Taraji. There is so much
Speaker 19: at stake in this moment. The majority of us believe
Speaker 19: in freedom and equality. But these extremists, as they say.
Speaker 2: They're not like us.
Speaker 19: Yeah girl, I'm out here in these streets.
Speaker 6: Yeah girl, I'm out here on these streets. She released
Speaker 6: that cringe worthy out this week, but I guess it's
Speaker 6: just a little bit better than this cringe worthy performance.
Speaker 19: To the lovely people of Wakanda, I know you will
Speaker 19: make the right choice. And as always, Wakanda forever paid
Speaker 19: for by Kamala Harris.
Speaker 6: You know, Kamala is the wisdom. What other leader could
Speaker 6: bestow such gems of wisdom on the populace.
Speaker 19: You think you just fell out of a coconut tree.
Speaker 19: You exist in the context around and round. I'm talking
Speaker 19: about the significance of the passage of time, right, the
Speaker 19: significance of the passage of time. So when you think
Speaker 19: about it, there is eight significance to the passage of time.
Speaker 19: Here's the thing. Who doesn't love a yellow school bus?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 19: Can you raise your hand if you love a yellow
Speaker 19: school buss?
Speaker 6: Right, you guys are gonna see it.
Speaker 19: You're gonna literally see the craters on the moon.
Speaker 6: With your own eyes, with your own eyes, I'm telling you.
Speaker 19: She looks at me, and she says, oh, look at you.
Speaker 19: You're pretty in than you're on television.
Speaker 9: Mine. Look at her.
Speaker 19: No, I love ven diagrams, I really do. I love
Speaker 19: ven diagrams. It's just something about those three circles.
Speaker 6: And that's enough. That's enough. We could be here all
Speaker 6: day looking at Kamala being an absolute clown show. But
Speaker 6: let's not forget this is a woman who encouraged the
Speaker 6: lawlessness we saw in twenty twenty. She raised bail money
Speaker 6: for those arrested during the BLM riots across America.
Speaker 20: They're not they're not going to stop, and that this
Speaker 20: is a movement. I'm telling you they're not going to stop.
Speaker 20: And everyone beware because they're not going to stop.
Speaker 3: It going to They're not.
Speaker 19: Gonna stop before election day in November, and they're not
Speaker 19: going to stop after election day.
Speaker 6: Turns out they did pretty much stop after the election.
Speaker 6: Funny about that, but imagine if Tulsa Gabbett was the
Speaker 6: future of the Democratic Party instead of Kamala Harris. Remember
Speaker 6: this golden moment Back in twenty nineteen. During the Democrats'
Speaker 6: presidential debate.
Speaker 8: Senator Harris says she's proud of her record as a
Speaker 8: prosecutor and that she'll be a prosecutor president. But I'm
Speaker 8: deeply concerned about this record. There are too many examples
Speaker 8: to cite. But she put over fifteen hundred people in
Speaker 8: jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when
Speaker 8: she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana.
Speaker 2: She blocked evidence. She blocked evidence that.
Speaker 8: You would have freed amn innocent man from death row
Speaker 8: until the courts forced her to do so. She kept
Speaker 8: people in prison beyond their sentences to use them as
Speaker 8: cheap labor for the state of California.
Speaker 2: And she fought to keep cash rail.
Speaker 8: System in place that impacts poor people in the worst
Speaker 8: kind of way.
Speaker 6: No no chance of Talsea leading that party. She left
Speaker 6: the Democrats because the Democrats are broken. Kamala has been
Speaker 6: deemed the future of the party and the Democrats and
Speaker 6: Kamala deserve each other. But after four ruinous years of
Speaker 6: the Biden Harris administration, America deserves something more.
Speaker 2: Fantastic.
Speaker 3: Rita well I was astonished and horrified by the story
Speaker 3: this week that the Australian Labor government Albanese's government had called,
Speaker 3: in formally summoned the Israeli ambassador, a mere Maimon goodload
Speaker 3: by the way to Canberra to tell him that Israel
Speaker 3: not that Australia would not support Israel if they got
Speaker 3: into a war with Hezbola.
Speaker 2: Now Hebela is a vile.
Speaker 3: Evil Iranian back terror organization threatening to annihilate the North.
Speaker 2: Did not all of Israel. Not only did the Albanesi
Speaker 2: government have.
Speaker 3: The sheer gaul to call in the Israeli ambassador in
Speaker 3: what is an existential threat to the nation of Israel.
Speaker 3: After all the atrocities we've seen going back to October seventh.
Speaker 3: What we now have is they didn't even do it.
Speaker 3: They got the junior minister Tim Watts. The Albanesi government
Speaker 3: should hang its head in absolute shame. Joining us now
Speaker 3: as the president of the Australian Jewish Association, David Adler,
Speaker 3: David I was just appalled by this, some junior guy,
Speaker 3: Tim Watts running around dressing down the Israeli ambassador. When
Speaker 3: we're talking about an existential threat to that nation.
Speaker 2: What did you make of.
Speaker 21: Look growing you're right, it was a disgrace. We were
Speaker 21: shocked about it. Credit to the Daily Telegraph for breaking
Speaker 21: the story. The headline in the Daily Telegraph was that
Speaker 21: it was an insult to Israel. That's way too mild
Speaker 21: a description. Frankly, this is nothing short of diplomatic gihad
Speaker 21: from the Australian Labor government. It's worse than a slap
Speaker 21: in the face. I don't think it has ever occurred
Speaker 21: before that an Australian government has insulted an ally in conflict.
Speaker 2: But it gets even worse.
Speaker 21: What they've done is they've aligned Australia with a prescribed
Speaker 21: terrorist organization, has Belah ap proxy of Iran. So the
Speaker 21: betraying the ally, they're betraying the demoocratic country, the only
Speaker 21: one in the Middle East. On Thursday last week, over
Speaker 21: two hundred rockets and UAVs were fired into Israel. There
Speaker 21: are over sixty thousand internal refugees in Israel. This is
Speaker 21: Israelis who live in the north who've had to leave
Speaker 21: their homes because of these attacks. And Israel has no
Speaker 21: choice but sooner or later to deal with Hasbellah and
Speaker 21: Australia declaring that it won't stand with Israel but will
Speaker 21: in effect be doing Hesbela's bidding.
Speaker 3: Have a listen, David to this character. Let's have a
Speaker 3: listen to this Tim Watts character.
Speaker 22: In the opposition think there should be no state of Palestine.
Speaker 22: We even saw Senator Shama, who should know better, hosting
Speaker 22: an event in Parliament House for extremists who are campaigning
Speaker 22: against a two state solution.
Speaker 3: Oh that was you, by the way, David, David Shalma.
Speaker 3: David Shalma had your organization there for a briefing under discussion.
Speaker 3: And this Labor government pennywe Alban easy, Tim Watts, these
Speaker 3: people are no friends of the Jews of Australia.
Speaker 2: There's not a Jewish person or a supporter of Israel,
Speaker 2: who should ever vote for the labor government in this country.
Speaker 21: Again, in my opinion, David tim Watts has no idea
Speaker 21: what he's talking about. He's at least forty years out
Speaker 21: of date. And recently, there have been a number of
Speaker 21: studies done in Israel about whether there is support for
Speaker 21: the establishment of a state of Palestine or not.
Speaker 2: There has never been won.
Speaker 21: By the way, and the vast majority of Israelis oppose it.
Speaker 21: So what we are doing is we have aligned our
Speaker 21: views with the majority, the vast majority.
Speaker 6: Michelle, with someone like Watts using parts eliamentary privilege to
Speaker 6: label you an extremist for holding an opinion that's held
Speaker 6: by the majority of Israelis.
Speaker 2: Look at what does that.
Speaker 6: Say about Israelis. I mean by extension, he's calling them extremists.
Speaker 6: If you oppose the two state solution, apparently you're an extremist.
Speaker 21: It's even misuse of the English language. I mean extreme
Speaker 21: would normally mean three standard deviations from the Meme's that's
Speaker 21: an extreme. I've never heard a majority described as extreme before.
Speaker 21: But here's here's my response, Tim Watts. I challenge you
Speaker 21: to a debate on the subject of a two state solution.
Speaker 21: Now take it up. We'll do at Oxford University style
Speaker 21: with a moderator, and let's see if you can back
Speaker 21: up that ridiculous assertion.
Speaker 3: Let's do it here on Outsiders, ok, Tim, Wat's get
Speaker 3: you here with David Adler. Let's have the debate. Let's
Speaker 3: see if you actually know what you are talking about.
Speaker 10: James, Well, though.
Speaker 4: It's mussy TV, but I want to ask you Darvi
Speaker 4: two about the extraordinary events around Fatima Payment, the senator
Speaker 4: from Wa. Now, the thing that sort of surprises me
Speaker 4: on one level is that it seems like there's only
Speaker 4: about a cigarette papers worth of difference between what Senator
Speaker 4: Payment believes and where labor is being dragged to. How concerned, though,
Speaker 4: are you that labor is going to be dragged further
Speaker 4: and further to this extreme position by the threat of
Speaker 4: other Muslim independence rising in seats in Western Sydney where
Speaker 4: a number of Labor front benchers hold their seats at
Speaker 4: the moment. And is this a concern that the government
Speaker 4: is going to be pulled further and further into this
Speaker 4: weird position that's embraced both by the hard left Greens
Speaker 4: and Muslim voters.
Speaker 21: James, You're absolutely right and earlier in the show you
Speaker 21: all were discussing the outcome of the UK election, where
Speaker 21: indeed already elements exactly like that have been elected in
Speaker 21: to Parliament, and the trend has started in Australia. We
Speaker 21: know that they're getting organized, we know it's well funded.
Speaker 21: The website's cause called the Muslim Vote, and I think
Speaker 21: that unfortunately, a decision has been taken by the labor
Speaker 21: number crunches that Israeli is expendable. They don't mind throwing
Speaker 21: the safety of the Jewish community under a bus. These
Speaker 21: sort of actions and trends that you're describing fuel anti Semitism.
Speaker 21: They fuel a risk to not just the Jewish community,
Speaker 21: but those that support violent Ghad are emboldened. And I
Speaker 21: think the Coalition needs to jump on this, not just
Speaker 21: as a Jewish Israel issue, but as a law and
Speaker 21: order issue.
Speaker 3: Parliament House, we saw all the pro Palestinian for Parro
Speaker 3: Palestinian activists got in there draping from the river to
Speaker 3: the sea, which is a call for genocide against the.
Speaker 2: Jewish people there.
Speaker 3: It is up for the images that were broadcast around
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 21: Let me point out the most significant part of that image,
Speaker 21: which is the inverted red triangle over the entry to
Speaker 21: Parliament House. This red triangle is a Hamas symbol. It
Speaker 21: is to identify targets for destruction there and it was
Speaker 21: put on our Parliament House.
Speaker 10: Sorry, David.
Speaker 4: There's one other bit of that though, that those signs
Speaker 4: that I thought were really telling, and that was where
Speaker 4: they also put Israel in a sequence of events starting
Speaker 4: with the frontier Wars of East Timor. And it's not
Speaker 4: just as you say about the Jewish people, it is
Speaker 4: really this is about an attack on Western civilization. They
Speaker 4: place Israel in this context of being a colonial power,
Speaker 4: and therefore the violence of jihad is decolonization and this
Speaker 4: is a chancer of thought that has been running through
Speaker 4: the West and through our universities for probably one hundred years.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 21: Would you say, well, anybody who can't recognize that hasn't
Speaker 21: got their eyes open. There's been vandalism and desecration of
Speaker 21: the war memorials. And given your American background, James, you
Speaker 21: will know that on the fourth of July there were
Speaker 21: these pro Hamas, pro Palestinian protesters that were burning the
Speaker 21: American flag. I mean, why are they doing that? They're
Speaker 21: doing that because I mean Israel happens to be the
Speaker 21: tip of the iceberg for a civilizational war which is
Speaker 21: under way right now, and Australia needs to take significant
Speaker 21: measures if we're going to protect our democracy.
Speaker 6: We've seen that at protests since October seventh throughout the country,
Speaker 6: where they have linked the cause, Palestinian cause with the
Speaker 6: indigenous cause and they see it as sharing similar traits
Speaker 6: in stolen land and colonization and all the basic arguments
Speaker 6: we've heard, But it seems to be there's a level
Speaker 6: of tolerance. I mean, we saw with those protesters, they
Speaker 6: were on the rooftop of Parliament House for the better
Speaker 6: part of two hours, and we saw how they can
Speaker 6: crack down on protests when they want to. And we've
Speaker 6: seen with Sydney University the protesters are now being given
Speaker 6: power to make decisions about investments. In Melbourne University, the
Speaker 6: protesters avoided expulsion. Instead they're just getting warnings instead of
Speaker 6: actually being thrown out of the school for having an
Speaker 6: illegal encampment and intimidating Jewish students. So I want to
Speaker 6: ask you about that. What message does that center the
Speaker 6: Jewish community that there's this tolerance to this movement, no
Speaker 6: matter how ugly it has become well.
Speaker 21: Two responses Rita. The one is that the whole foundation
Speaker 21: of that argument is false. It is actually anyone with
Speaker 21: an education knows it's the Jewish people that are the
Speaker 21: indigenous to the land of Israel. You can stand by
Speaker 21: the graves of Abraham Isaac Jacob in Hevron. You can
Speaker 21: learn about King Saul, King David, King Solomon who established
Speaker 21: kingdoms with sovereignty which has never been seeded by the way.
Speaker 21: But the law and order issue is highly, highly problematic.
Speaker 21: It should have been dealt with on the ninth of
Speaker 21: October when we saw those riots, if there had been
Speaker 21: a clamp down men with the violent anti Semitism that
Speaker 21: we saw flares burning flags. There have been signals all
Speaker 21: along that this will be tolerated. That one group seems
Speaker 21: to have a differential policing to everyone else in society. Absolutely,
Speaker 21: and it's very worrying. I think is an opportunity for
Speaker 21: the Coalition to step up as has happened with a Queensland, yes,
Speaker 21: but nationally and say we are going to take a
Speaker 21: proper law enforcement approach. All Australian citizens, all people in
Speaker 21: this country have to comply with the rule of law.
Speaker 2: And absolutely, David Adla, thanks so much.
Speaker 3: And I would add to that that we should be
Speaker 3: doing here what they're doing in Germany, which is new
Speaker 3: citizens coming into this country for the citizenship test, they
Speaker 3: are required to affirm that they accept Israel's right to
Speaker 3: exist and tolerate the presence of Jews in Germany.
Speaker 2: We should be doing the same thing here with our
Speaker 2: citizenship tests.
Speaker 3: David Ada, thanks so much for coming here on Outsider's.
Speaker 3: Great to see you again after the break net zero
Speaker 3: net Zany and we've got Rocco Lawyer Kono to talk
Speaker 3: about the pope in a tech It's net Zany, the wacky,
Speaker 3: weird world of net zero policies and return James, what
Speaker 3: a surprise yet again we learned that And I quote
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four record coral cover for the Great
Speaker 3: Barrier Reef based on official data for all eleven sectors
Speaker 3: of the Great Barrier Reef.
Speaker 6: Why aren't I hearing about this? This is no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 6: it's great.
Speaker 4: This is not good news because how are the alarmists
Speaker 4: gonna be able to go and you know, get their
Speaker 4: grants and make their salaries if the Great Barrier Reef
Speaker 4: is doing well, and I've got a solution for them.
Speaker 4: What they need to do is go pluck a bunch
Speaker 4: of wind turbines right over it.
Speaker 2: That's a.
Speaker 10: Two problem solved. Ones.
Speaker 6: Will there be apologies forthcoming to doctor Peter Read perhaps
Speaker 6: maybe an offer of him having his position back.
Speaker 3: At the Universal it was truly being off for similar accourts. Yes,
Speaker 3: then anyway, there we go. Climate change is the big threat,
Speaker 3: according to Joe Biden, far more so than you know
Speaker 3: nuclear war. Climate change is the big threat. His Tulsi
Speaker 3: Gabbard telling us about that.
Speaker 23: The problem is he's insane. Only a madman would not
Speaker 23: consider a nuclear holocaust, a nuclear war as an existential threat.
Speaker 23: He said, quote, the only existential threat to humanity is
Speaker 23: climate change.
Speaker 2: What do you that one, James?
Speaker 4: Look, I mean, you know who knows me. We'll expand
Speaker 4: NATO up to the ozone layer.
Speaker 10: I don't know what.
Speaker 6: I don't think this is going to happen, but there
Speaker 6: has been all sorts of chatter about Tulsi being Trumps.
Speaker 6: I think is going to happen. But what a turn
Speaker 6: up for the books. That would be someone who was
Speaker 6: a Democrat presidential candidate. She destroyed Kamala and then she
Speaker 6: saw the parties completely unhinged these days, so she left,
Speaker 6: and there supercomes a Republican they would be that's the
Speaker 6: big existential threat to the Democrat Party.
Speaker 3: I also love this story that McDonald's admits that millions
Speaker 3: of customers are rejecting those fake meat burgers that Bill
Speaker 3: Gates and others are desperate for people to eat to
Speaker 3: save the planet.
Speaker 6: You've seen the ingredients that go into this, and I
Speaker 6: know someone going to McDonald's isn't, you know, doing it
Speaker 6: for health reasons, So perhaps the ingredients list isn't enormous,
Speaker 6: But I think this is one of the main reasons
Speaker 6: these fake meat has been rejected and rejected almost across
Speaker 6: the board. You go to supermarkets, I've never seen one
Speaker 6: anyone pick one of those up there. The stocks always full.
Speaker 10: Do you remember me?
Speaker 4: And everything else is the pandemic, and there are all
Speaker 4: the shots of you. All the meat's gone from all
Speaker 4: the shelves, all the chickens gone.
Speaker 10: But like the I think.
Speaker 6: The concoction of ingredients that go in there, which is.
Speaker 10: What the left used to call frankin food.
Speaker 4: You know, remember when these oh genetically modified oh Bill Gatesberger.
Speaker 10: If.
Speaker 3: Well, joining us now is Rocco Lawyer Kono, who's a
Speaker 3: contributor of both Sky News Australia and a great writer
Speaker 3: on the Spectator of Australia. In fact, Rocco has got
Speaker 3: a great piece in the Spectator at the moment about
Speaker 3: Pope Francis Saint Francis in reverse. He calls it, remember
Speaker 3: the old gag about is the Pope Catholic well known? Not?
Speaker 10: According to Rocco.
Speaker 2: Rocco, great to see you, how are.
Speaker 24: You, Good morning, Rowan reader and James, and good morning
Speaker 24: to all the viewers.
Speaker 2: Well, tell us about the Pope.
Speaker 3: You're concerned because he's canceling the Latin Mass?
Speaker 2: Is that what's going on?
Speaker 9: Yes?
Speaker 24: A couple of weeks ago some pretty serious rumors emerged
Speaker 24: from the Vatican that the Pope, along with his liturgical Hinchman,
Speaker 24: is about to really crack down on the Latin Mass,
Speaker 24: with a view to banning it almost completely from any church,
Speaker 24: any Catholic church in the world. This is very concerning
Speaker 24: because well in the Western world, the only areas that
Speaker 24: are thriving in the church those areas where traditional liturgy
Speaker 24: is practiced, and that means the Latin Mass. You go
Speaker 24: to most churches in the Western world, and that maybe
Speaker 24: the church has about sixty or seventy people in it,
Speaker 24: and those sixty or seventy are about sixty or seventy
Speaker 24: years of age, if not older. You go to a
Speaker 24: church where the Latin Mass is celebrated, it's full, and
Speaker 24: it's full of young people with families. These people feel
Speaker 24: nourished by the Latin Mass, they feel drawn to it.
Speaker 24: It offers a sense of other worldliness. Yet the Pope,
Speaker 24: but these are the kind of people that the Church
Speaker 24: are be encouraging to attend Mass. It's hard enough to
Speaker 24: get young people to go to Mass these days, but
Speaker 24: the ones that actually want to, the Pope doesn't. The
Speaker 24: Pope doesn't like them and wants to wants to crack
Speaker 24: down read.
Speaker 6: And the Pope is outspoken about all sorts of issues,
Speaker 6: global warming. But then I don't hear him talking about
Speaker 6: Christians being persecuted in parts of the world, murdered in
Speaker 6: parts of the world, parts of the Africa, Middle East
Speaker 6: where there are attacks against Christian communities. Tell me about
Speaker 6: his priorities, because it seems to be a far more
Speaker 6: political pope, but not in the areas you would expect.
Speaker 24: No that's right, reader, I mean you mentioned Nigeria and
Speaker 24: the terrible persecutions that are going on against Christians in Africa.
Speaker 24: I mean in France, in any given month, about seventy
Speaker 24: or eighty Catholic churches are attacked, yet we hear nothing
Speaker 24: of that, and the same goes on in places like Canada. Look,
Speaker 24: this pope's priorities can be summed up by one of
Speaker 24: his countrymen who said he was the former chief prosecutor
Speaker 24: of Buenos Aires, who said, look, this pope knows nothing
Speaker 24: about theology, he knows nothing about history. The only thing
Speaker 24: he's interested in is power, and this is this is,
Speaker 24: this is the kind of thing he takes on these
Speaker 24: political causes. And I draw in the analogy with what's
Speaker 24: going on in conservative parties around the Western world. I mean,
Speaker 24: they've been infiltrated by these these lefties, and the Catholic
Speaker 24: Church is no different unfortunately, and this is another reason
Speaker 24: why we see empty churches. Well, I mean people don't
Speaker 24: vote for conservative parties because they the conservative parties want
Speaker 24: to ape the left. Well, the Catholic Church, rather than
Speaker 24: trying to hold fast to values and its countercultural nature
Speaker 24: is and standing up for Catholics around the world is
Speaker 24: actually really devoted to secularism and climate change and all
Speaker 24: these other trendy issues, thinking that we're going to that's
Speaker 24: going to open up the church. I mean, the Pope
Speaker 24: himself says, well, look, the churches for everyone, but unfortunately
Speaker 24: many people in the church feel alienated by this Pope.
Speaker 4: James, Well, Rocco, I mean, just to pick up on
Speaker 4: that thread. If Pope Francis and I use that title
Speaker 4: observedly goes forward with these attacks on the Latin Mass
Speaker 4: and everything else that he's been doing, turned it into
Speaker 4: the great sort of Church of climate change. Does this
Speaker 4: mean that eventually there could be, possibly after his passing,
Speaker 4: depending on who the next Holy Father is, that the
Speaker 4: Catholic Church could split. Will there be a traditional Catholic
Speaker 4: Church that emerges out of this even if the paper
Speaker 4: bureaucracy in Rome remains walk.
Speaker 24: Oh, that's a distinct possibility, James, and we've seen it.
Speaker 24: Just on Friday, one of the Pope's main critics, Archbishop Vigano,
Speaker 24: who's also a great defender of the traditional Mass, was
Speaker 24: excommunicated by the Pope, Bishop Strickland of Strickland of Tyler
Speaker 24: the Dice of Tyler, Texas was removed from office because
Speaker 24: he's criticizing the pope. And this is the only thing
Speaker 24: that can happen, E scuse him. All these people go underground,
Speaker 24: which is effectively a schism in anyway. And we've seen
Speaker 24: that in the Anglican Church. I mean, you ask any
Speaker 24: Anglican who's who's joined the Catholic Church and they say,
Speaker 24: why does the why does a pope want to do this?
Speaker 24: I mean, this is exactly what's happened in Anglicanism, where
Speaker 24: we've abandoned to the traditional tenets of the faith and
Speaker 24: we've all split off into all these various various sex
Speaker 24: if you like, for one of a better word. And
Speaker 24: this is the real danger that's going to happen in
Speaker 24: the Catholic Church.
Speaker 3: Roco, fantastic, Thanks so much for coming on outsiders. I
Speaker 3: tell you, the Catholic Mass without without the Latin Mass.
Speaker 3: It sounds like an acd AC DC concert without any
Speaker 3: guitars to me, but anyway, what would I know?
Speaker 2: Thanks Roco.
Speaker 3: Now let's do a little bit of whackademia.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, Rita.
Speaker 6: Well, this is a school in Sydney. I think it
Speaker 6: was around the Blue Mountains. Where parents were upset, understandably
Speaker 6: because the children were told to put their hands on
Speaker 6: the ground and say always was, always will be Aboriginal land.
Speaker 6: And apparently this happens regularly before assemblies. It wasn't a
Speaker 6: one off. And this is a message that is you
Speaker 6: know what it was of Parliament House when they said yes,
Speaker 6: I said that, you know we're on stolen land. And
Speaker 6: it's a message that has been normalized and every corporation,
Speaker 6: every politician, every celebrity. You can't land a plane without
Speaker 6: having been welcome to your own country. And it's all
Speaker 6: part of the same message that we're not us are
Speaker 6: entire to call this country house?
Speaker 10: And is it it ironic? Isn't it ironic?
Speaker 4: As a song goes that Fda Albanizi and the Labor
Speaker 4: Party which did so much to encourage this sort of division,
Speaker 4: this distaste for post celement Australia through their Voice campaign
Speaker 4: and all of this stuff where they teach people that
Speaker 4: this is an illegitimate nation right from the moment they
Speaker 4: go to preschool. Oh that certainly now they're getting pulled
Speaker 4: apart by people who have come to this country and
Speaker 4: been told, oh no, Austraia is not a great country.
Speaker 4: I don't know why I came here. This place is illegitimate.
Speaker 4: This is the end point. You wind up with this
Speaker 4: fractured identity politics because you don't believe in your own country.
Speaker 4: A government that doesn't believe in its own country has
Speaker 4: no business being in government.
Speaker 6: House that I know you saw him through the way.
Speaker 6: He talks about this a lot, because being a visitor
Speaker 6: to the country would notice these incessant.
Speaker 2: Self hatred, self hatred being.
Speaker 6: Welcome to our own country, and it is a dangerous
Speaker 6: message to send to your citizens that you don't have
Speaker 6: ownership of your own country, you don't have an allegiance
Speaker 6: because when there is a threat, well, you're not going
Speaker 6: to expect people to actually defend a country that don't
Speaker 6: believe is really theirs, and is not really legitimate, and
Speaker 6: is not built on good values, built on genocide and
Speaker 6: white supremacy and all the colonialism.
Speaker 3: I'd go even further reto, I'd say this is child abuse.
Speaker 3: If you are getting a kid to put their hand
Speaker 3: on the ground and swearing that the ground belongs to
Speaker 3: to what was always whatever some other concept, than you
Speaker 3: are abusing that child and you are denying them their
Speaker 3: legitimate legal right to the sovereignty of this country which
Speaker 3: all Australians share equally, and shame on any teacher who
Speaker 3: does that.
Speaker 2: That is child abuse.
Speaker 3: You are unfit to be near children in my opinion,
Speaker 3: just my opinion, because it's an opinion show and we've
Speaker 3: got lots more opinion coming up in a tick here
Speaker 3: on Outsiders. Good morning and welcome to Outsiders with the
Speaker 3: RITA Building seven Panahye, James jfk Assassination Morrow and myself
Speaker 3: Rowan Kem Trail's Dean. Yes, this morning, I want to
Speaker 3: talk to you about conspiracy theories and more importantly, when
Speaker 3: conspiracy theories become conspiracy facts.
Speaker 2: We saw one this week.
Speaker 3: The debates and the ramifications have shaken the world. I'll
Speaker 3: get onto that in a sex. As you know, I'm
Speaker 3: the editor of The Spectator Australia, the Australian edition of
Speaker 3: the world's oldestinglish language journal, which has been continuously published
Speaker 3: since it first appeared in the coffee houses of London
Speaker 3: in the seventeen hundreds. One of the early issues apparently
Speaker 3: featured an expose on a young French soldier, whom the
Speaker 3: writer said was worth keeping an eye on his surname
Speaker 3: was Bonaparte. Spectator has always been ahead of the curve, which.
Speaker 2: Is why you should subscribe to it.
Speaker 3: One of the joys of being the editor here in
Speaker 3: Australia is that it has allowed me to introduce you
Speaker 3: to many of The Spectator's amazing stable Douglas Murray, Fraser Nelson,
Speaker 3: Andrew Neil, James Dellingpaul and in a moment.
Speaker 2: Toby Young.
Speaker 3: The latter two I mentioned specifically in the same breath
Speaker 3: many years Toby Young and James Dellingpol ran an amazing
Speaker 3: podcast one of the best podcasts I and I imagine
Speaker 3: many of.
Speaker 2: You have ever heard.
Speaker 3: London Calling was named after a Clash album and could
Speaker 3: equally have been called The Clash of the Skeptics. Toby Young,
Speaker 3: as well as being Associate editor of The Spectator, also
Speaker 3: founded the amazing Daily Skeptic website and the Free Speech Union,
Speaker 3: a magnificent organization that tackles insidious cancel culture in the
Speaker 3: UK and here. James Dellingpole, for his part, runs the
Speaker 3: hugely popular delling Pod podcast, which I guess you could
Speaker 3: call the Conspiracy theorists Almanac. The beauty of their London
Speaker 3: Calling podcast was that, rather than the tiresome left right paradigm.
Speaker 3: Here were two so called conservatives furiously debating skepticism in
Speaker 3: all its modern manifestations. You see, both are passionate skeptics,
Speaker 3: but they reacted very differently to the.
Speaker 2: Horror of the COVID years.
Speaker 3: Toby works tires tirelessly to challenge those institutions that failed
Speaker 3: us during COVID, and by tackling them, he tackles them
Speaker 3: through the courts and in the media, not only on COVID,
Speaker 3: but also on that zero climate change, legal immigration and
Speaker 3: so on. James, on the other hand, reacted as many
Speaker 3: people did, by losing faith utterly in all our institutions
Speaker 3: like a lover spurned. He wants nothing to do with
Speaker 3: those institutions he was once so loyal to the Conservative Party,
Speaker 3: the universities, the mainstream media, even our history. To James,
Speaker 3: it's all fraudulent and corrupt. Here's just a snippet of
Speaker 3: one of their London Calling debates in which they argued
Speaker 3: about the best way to tackle offcom. Offcom is the
Speaker 3: British version of our Akma, this censorious government media authority
Speaker 3: that scrutinizes the lords it over what can be said
Speaker 3: and what cannot be said.
Speaker 25: Took enormous time and trouble to challenge Ofcom's coronavirus guidance
Speaker 25: in the High Court, and there was an oral hearing,
Speaker 25: there was a hearing on paper. The cost to the
Speaker 25: Free Speech Union was around about ten pounds. I went
Speaker 25: to great lengths to compile witness statements from expert witnesses.
Speaker 25: What have you done to change so regards the result
Speaker 25: activities of that?
Speaker 26: Did the court find in your favor?
Speaker 25: Well, no, the court did not find favor. If they
Speaker 25: hadn't been aware of that, they might have gone a lot.
Speaker 25: You can accuse me of not doing anything about it
Speaker 25: or blithely accepting it.
Speaker 2: I tried to do something about it.
Speaker 26: But you see, there's there's the fundament mental difference between
Speaker 26: you and me. You still believe that the system is
Speaker 26: honest and functional. I believe it is broken beyond repair.
Speaker 3: Magnificent stuff and well worth listening to. Even more entertaining
Speaker 3: fare heated discussions about James's favorite conspiracy theories, everything from
Speaker 3: the Beatles being an MI five plot and Paul McCartney
Speaker 3: being killed and replaced with a look alike to nine
Speaker 3: to eleven KEM trails Princess Diana, and so on and on. Personally,
Speaker 3: I loved the Paul Is Dead stuff and spent much
Speaker 3: of my youth pouring over those Abbey Road clues.
Speaker 2: But intriguingly, one.
Speaker 3: Reason given for the popularity of that particular conspiracy theory
Speaker 3: back in the late sixties was that quote. Basically because
Speaker 3: of Vietnam and the loss of trust in the establishment,
Speaker 3: many of us, this is the person speaking, were.
Speaker 2: Ready willing and able.
Speaker 3: To believe just about any sort of conspiracy the loss
Speaker 3: of trust, and the same is true, I would argue
Speaker 3: of today, thanks to the unremitting abuse of power at
Speaker 3: all levels during COVID, people became so disillusioned with the
Speaker 3: authorities and the media to such an extent many have
Speaker 3: started to question literally anything and everything, which brings me
Speaker 3: back to this particular conspiracy theory I mentioned earlier, one
Speaker 3: that we have unashamedly embraced for over three years on
Speaker 3: this show, James Reta and I, namely that rather than
Speaker 3: being an amazing, cogent, compassionate and progressive genius, the President
Speaker 3: of the United States is in fact a doddering, senile,
Speaker 3: dribbling old fool who couldn't string a sentence together and
Speaker 3: is incapable of running a chick raffle let alone guaranteeing
Speaker 3: the peace and security of the free world. And the
Speaker 3: real president is, in fact, either Jill Biden, Barack Obama,
Speaker 3: who once joked about wanting to stay in power through
Speaker 3: a puppet like surrogate, or some sinister group of deep
Speaker 3: state bureaucrats.
Speaker 2: Right wing conspiracy theorists. They howled at US two weeks ago.
Speaker 3: Here is the Press secretary of the White House admonishing
Speaker 3: shows such as ours for spelling out the.
Speaker 11: Truth instead of talking about the president's performance in office.
Speaker 11: And what I mean by that is a legislative wents
Speaker 11: what he's been able to do for the American people
Speaker 11: across the country. We're seeing these deep figs, these manipulated videos,
Speaker 11: and it is again done in that faith.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, Yet our conspiracy turned out at the debate last.
Speaker 2: Week to be conspiracy fact.
Speaker 3: When confronted with ninety minutes if I edited Biden, when
Speaker 3: the curtain was pulled back, ordinary everyday people around the
Speaker 3: world were horrified and appalled by the simple truth. Why
Speaker 3: because the last few years they have been fed complete
Speaker 3: media distortions designed to cover up that truth. As Blaize
Speaker 3: Media wrote, quote, after a disastrous performance, the news media,
Speaker 3: which had been shamelessly gaslighting the public over Joe Biden's
Speaker 3: cognitive capacity for years, seemed to turn on the president
Speaker 3: in unison. Biden stuttered, stumbled, and bumbled his way through
Speaker 3: a grueling nineteen minutes. He had nowhere to hide. Well,
Speaker 3: I ask a very simple question. What if we could
Speaker 3: put every single one of those other conspiracy theories under
Speaker 3: the glare of the spotlight, with nowhere to hide, no
Speaker 3: auto Q, no one to edit out the uncomfortable bits
Speaker 3: for a full ninety minutes of honest and unedited exposure,
Speaker 3: just like they did with poor old Joe Biden. What
Speaker 3: if we gave oh, I don't know, climate alarmism the
Speaker 3: Joe Biden debate test.
Speaker 2: Would the result be the same?
Speaker 3: Would you have millions of people around the world looking
Speaker 3: at each other aghast and saying, oh my goodness, I
Speaker 3: never knew climate extremism was such a crock.
Speaker 2: It's nothing like they've been telling.
Speaker 10: Us for years.
Speaker 3: Would there be a Blaze article saying, after a disastrous performance,
Speaker 3: the news media, which had been shamelessly gaslighting the public
Speaker 3: for years over climate change, seemed to turn In Unison,
Speaker 3: climate change stuttered, stumbled, and bumbled its way through a
Speaker 3: grueling nineteen minute exposure with nowhere to hide or take
Speaker 3: high immigration and the disastrous effect of multiculturalism. Let's give
Speaker 3: that the Joe Biden debate test, shall we?
Speaker 2: Would you have people looking at each other aghast and saying.
Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness, I never knew high immigration was so
Speaker 3: bad for our economy. It's nowhere near as healthy as
Speaker 3: the media kept telling us.
Speaker 2: Would there be a Blaze article.
Speaker 3: Saying after a disastrous performance, the news media, which had
Speaker 3: been shamelessly gaslighting the public for years over multiculturalism and
Speaker 3: the benefits of high immigration, seemed to turn in Unison,
Speaker 3: Multiculturalism stuttered, stumbled, and bumbled its way through a grueling
Speaker 3: ninety minute exposure with nowhere as a hide, and don't
Speaker 3: start me on COVID.
Speaker 2: Actually, do start me on COVID.
Speaker 3: Because in my opinion, it was the disgraceful authoritarian overreach
Speaker 3: by cowardly prime ministers, power mad premiers, the moral superiority
Speaker 3: of the health bureaucrats, and the collusion of elites that
Speaker 3: torpedoed trust by the public in so many of our institutions.
Speaker 3: To this day trust in our ruling classes that may
Speaker 3: never be rebuilt because people lost their careers and lost
Speaker 3: their jobs, lost their livelihoods. Ben Faulkner, a dedicated West
Speaker 3: Australian policeman, was dismissed last week simply for refusing to
Speaker 3: take the jab way back during COVID.
Speaker 2: This is insanity.
Speaker 3: No one to trust in our democratic institutions and way
Speaker 3: of life was shattered during COVID for so many people,
Speaker 3: like James Delingpole, that trust is gone forever and will
Speaker 3: never return. And no wonder when you recall madness like this.
Speaker 27: If you are unvaccinated and the virus comes into your community,
Speaker 27: the virus will hunt you out.
Speaker 16: The virus hunts down the unvaccinated.
Speaker 2: The virus will find the unvaccinated. That's what they all say.
Speaker 14: And it's a virus that will find you if you're
Speaker 14: not vaccinated.
Speaker 21: If you're unvaccinated, it will find you.
Speaker 8: The virus is literally finding unvaccinated people.
Speaker 2: It will find the unvaccinated.
Speaker 24: We're seeing COVID nineteen trekking down unvaccinated people.
Speaker 25: You know, if you're unvaccinated and you're in circulation, you're
Speaker 25: going to get it.
Speaker 3: What apps Tosh what filth, what distortions of the truth,
Speaker 3: fear mongering and vile abuse from people in positions of authority.
Speaker 3: And that's just one tiny aspect of COVID. So will
Speaker 3: we ever get the full, unadult gated truth? Will we
Speaker 3: ever get the public saying, as they did this week
Speaker 3: with Joe Biden, I had no idea that that was
Speaker 3: what was really going on? Will we see a Blaze
Speaker 3: article saying after a disastrous performance, the news media, the
Speaker 3: political elites, and the health bureaucrats, which had been shamelessly
Speaker 3: gaslighting the public for years over lockdowns, over masks, over
Speaker 3: vaccine mandates, and over excess mortality, seemed to turn in unison.
Speaker 3: COVID stuttered, stumbled, and bumbled its way through a grueling
Speaker 3: ninety minute exposure with nowhere to hide.
Speaker 28: You weren't allowed to ask questions, and at any point
Speaker 28: during this you just had to You had to do
Speaker 28: with the man on the TV said, right, You had
Speaker 28: to do what the man on the TV said with questions,
Speaker 28: and then you're a good person. But if you question it,
Speaker 28: then you're a white supremacist.
Speaker 9: Trump or not.
Speaker 28: You're like, well, no, no, no, I didn't vote for Trump.
Speaker 28: I just have questions, Jimmy, Only dumb people ask questions, Yes, questions.
Speaker 3: Question COVID, and we were demonized, Yet we were right to.
Speaker 2: Ask those questions.
Speaker 3: You see, you can argue about keem trails criss crossing
Speaker 3: the skies, or where the fighting cows make the oceans rise,
Speaker 3: or whatever other crazy theory you like. Because it's not
Speaker 3: the theories right or wrong that the public are waking
Speaker 3: up to, but the conspiratorial class, the climate cult, the
Speaker 3: open borders globalist mega corporate Davos crowd. There can be
Speaker 3: no doubt now that the mainstream media, at some point
Speaker 3: in our lifetimes ceased seeking the truth and instead chose
Speaker 3: to try and shape the truth. That's unforgivable. Our elites, politicians,
Speaker 3: our bureaucrats are now a new class of authoritarian senses,
Speaker 3: such as the appalling E Safety Commissioner here in Australia,
Speaker 3: believe themselves to be the sole source of truth. Who
Speaker 3: can forget just cinder idea doue for your.
Speaker 11: Free to visit it any time, to clarify any room
Speaker 11: you you make here, covidnizing dot dobt, dot set, otherwise,
Speaker 11: business anything else.
Speaker 3: We will continue to be your single source of truth,
Speaker 3: sole source of truth, that is the core belief system
Speaker 3: of the so called progressive elitists left around the Western world.
Speaker 3: No wonder people turn to conspiracy theories. All our democracies
Speaker 3: have repeatedly been betrayed by the very institutions we trusted
Speaker 3: the most, betrayed either through ignorance, laziness, arrogance or I'll
Speaker 3: let you be the judge of that. But this is
Speaker 3: why we need new institutions like the Free Speech Union
Speaker 3: to fight the new censorship class. Why we need skeptics
Speaker 3: and skepticism and yes, conspiracy theories on social media to
Speaker 3: keep us questioning, to keep us probing seeking the truth,
Speaker 3: to keep us aware and alert, to challenge those whom
Speaker 3: we can alas no longer trust, so that the abusive
Speaker 3: power we saw during COVID can.
Speaker 2: Never ever happen again.
Speaker 3: In the meantime, have you noticed if you play Sergeant
Speaker 3: Pepper backwards joining us now a very special guest here
Speaker 3: in the studio, Toby Young, I mentioned earlier, the associate
Speaker 3: editor of the Spectator and founder of the Free Speech
Speaker 3: Union and the Daily Skeptic. Toby great to have you
Speaker 3: here in Australia. Have you here in the studio with
Speaker 3: us a real privilege. You're here promoting the Free Speech Union,
Speaker 3: which is already doing great work. We had Selene Selene
Speaker 3: again baumgun Selean against the machine on the show the
Speaker 3: other day, against all the nonsense of the E Safety Commissioner.
Speaker 2: What have you learned since being in Australia.
Speaker 3: Is it what you fear it would be, as a
Speaker 3: better or as it worse?
Speaker 2: Toby?
Speaker 25: I think Roan that the woke mind virus is slightly
Speaker 25: less evolved in Australia than in the UK. I think
Speaker 25: you're about two years behind us, so you've got some
Speaker 25: bad stuff coming your way please, But in some respects
Speaker 25: you're ahead of us. So I'm here partly to try
Speaker 25: and not just to promote the work of the Free
Speaker 25: Speech Union of Australia, which is doing great work, as
Speaker 25: you say, but also to try and see what the
Speaker 25: future holds for us, because in some respects you're ahead
Speaker 25: of us. So if I want to know what a
Speaker 25: Keir Starmer led huge majority labor government is going to
Speaker 25: do in the UK, I only have to look at
Speaker 25: the state of Victoria, the People's Republic of Victoria. So
Speaker 25: a conversion therapy ban which happened in Victoria a few
Speaker 25: years ago. That looks like that's going to be brought
Speaker 25: in by Keir Starmer's labor government. There's also I think
Speaker 25: a lesson for the Conservatives and Reform about how to
Speaker 25: work together and not cannibalize each other's votes by looking
Speaker 25: at the way the Liberal Party and the National Party
Speaker 25: have work together have a non aggression pact in Canberra here.
Speaker 25: So that's also potentially a useful lesson.
Speaker 3: So Toby, let's talk about the British election. Farrage got
Speaker 3: five seats, which was better than expected. You predicted two
Speaker 3: or three, other people predicting thirteen or even eighteen. So
Speaker 3: Niger was predicting eighteen on me as he should. What
Speaker 3: is going to happen in Britain? Massive majority for labor.
Speaker 3: How scary is Kirstarmer?
Speaker 25: I think he's pretty scary. He's a kind of I
Speaker 25: think the last gasp of technocratic managerialism. In portraying this
Speaker 25: as at odds with what's happening in the rest of Europe.
Speaker 25: On continental Europe, where we've seen a lot of insurgent
Speaker 25: populist right wing parties do well in the recent European
Speaker 25: Parliament elections looks like they're going to do well in
Speaker 25: France on Sunday and the second election in France, and
Speaker 25: I don't think that what's happening in the UK is
Speaker 25: all that different. Only twenty percent of the population actually
Speaker 25: voted for Keir Starmer. It's the lowest number of votes
Speaker 25: polled of any winning majority I think since something like
Speaker 25: eighteen thirty.
Speaker 2: Two, I mean, really extraordinary.
Speaker 25: But we see the vote for the two main parties
Speaker 25: the uniparty is lower than it's ever been I think
Speaker 25: since twenty eighteen. That's how I calculated it. So it
Speaker 25: looks like there's a collapse in the technocratic, managerialist approach
Speaker 25: that big parties have been embodied in.
Speaker 6: May that the stats spare that out, but it's still
Speaker 6: going to be seen as a huge endorsement for Labour's policies,
Speaker 6: almost landslide the sixty five percent of the seats. I
Speaker 6: think they're roughlyhold. How do you think they're going to govern?
Speaker 6: Because when you look at some of the things there,
Speaker 6: senior people say, who are going to hold powerful positions,
Speaker 6: you really do worry about what the UK is going
Speaker 6: to be like in three or four years.
Speaker 25: Yeah, well, I guess the hope is that even though
Speaker 25: they have this super woke authoritarian agenda and they're going
Speaker 25: to unleash various assorts on free speech, not just a
Speaker 25: conversion therapy man, probably a hate crime act in England
Speaker 25: and Wales to mirror that that was passed in Scotland
Speaker 25: blasphemy laws. It looks like some kind of criminalization of
Speaker 25: Islamophobia to placate these insurgent to Islamist parties. But hopefully
Speaker 25: all this will be done with a Keystone cops like
Speaker 25: incompetence our Foreign Secretary David Lammy Boris Johnson for in
Speaker 25: sect if you look like Palmerston, I mean, he's just astonishing.
Speaker 6: Literally things men can grow a cervix or have one implanted.
Speaker 6: I've watched an interview with you.
Speaker 2: We can't not yeater me down.
Speaker 10: Well, well, I just on that note.
Speaker 4: You know, all ladies out there, time for your prostate examp,
Speaker 4: make sure you get But I just want to ask
Speaker 4: you though about you know, Rita mentioned Islamophobia a moment ago.
Speaker 4: It seems there's this really weird thing happening here in Australia,
Speaker 4: also in Britain, where you have a woke green left
Speaker 4: in politics, making alliance and common cause with people who,
Speaker 4: in any other circumstances are the least woke and the
Speaker 4: least lefty of all these people, who are you know,
Speaker 4: firmly very much voting with the interests of the Islamic
Speaker 4: uma they identify with that rather than necessarily their own
Speaker 4: electorate or the nation in which they live. Tell me
Speaker 4: what is happening here and what is your take on
Speaker 4: does this wind up? When you get these seats taken
Speaker 4: in Parliament? Things are going to start to pull apart
Speaker 4: very quickly when these identity politics start to come into play,
Speaker 4: won't they.
Speaker 25: Yes, I mean, it's it's a really worrying development in
Speaker 25: this general election campaign, the emergence of an ethno nationalist
Speaker 25: voting bloc. And I say Ethno nationalists not because they're
Speaker 25: patriotic Britons. The country they're representing is Gaza, and that's
Speaker 25: really dangerous. We don't want a sectarian group being able
Speaker 25: to influence Labor Party foreign policy, not in Britain's national interest,
Speaker 25: but in the interests of a foreign state. So that's
Speaker 25: deeply alarming and it's odd, as you say, I mean,
Speaker 25: it's like teals in headscarfs, you know, Queers for Palestine.
Speaker 25: What is it that they the kind of the greenees.
Speaker 4: Head scarves just so you know, so they're men's head scarfs.
Speaker 10: Okay, I guess it's.
Speaker 25: I mean, one thing that Lionel Shreiver said is that
Speaker 25: the left choose their politics from the prefixate menu. They
Speaker 25: don't distinguish between you know, LGBT rights and being pro Palestinians.
Speaker 25: Somehow they're compatible because they're all on one side of
Speaker 25: the menu and they just picked the entire menu. They
Speaker 25: don't differentiate between different policies according to whether they actually
Speaker 25: are compatible.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, they've got the philosophy my enemy's enemies,
Speaker 6: my friend, and that seems to be the basis of
Speaker 6: a lot of these allegiances is they have a shared
Speaker 6: enemy in the Conservatives. But what do you see for
Speaker 6: Conservatism in the UK because the Tories have been such
Speaker 6: an enormous disappointment, they have not governed like conservatives. Do
Speaker 6: you see reform lasting and bringing in those disaffected toys
Speaker 6: into the fold.
Speaker 25: Well, they've certainly done an enormous amount of damage to
Speaker 25: the Conservative Party. And the reason the Conservative Party is
Speaker 25: down to one hundred and twenty one seats is because
Speaker 25: fielded candidates in every single constituency, whether there can be
Speaker 25: some kind of alliance. I think a merger is probably unlikely.
Speaker 25: Why because Nigel Farage will insist that if the parties merge,
Speaker 25: he's going to have to be the leader, and there
Speaker 25: are going to be some Conservative MPs who bulk at
Speaker 25: that prospect. And they've also got to worry about winning
Speaker 25: back some Conservative voters who went to the left, who
Speaker 25: defected to Labor and the lib Dems. So if they forged,
Speaker 25: if they merged with Reform, it might be difficult to
Speaker 25: win those defectors back. More likely, I think, is some
Speaker 25: kind of non aggression pack, like the relationship between the
Speaker 25: Liberals and the National Party here, or or perhaps some organization.
Speaker 6: They are formal coalitions, So would they be able to.
Speaker 2: Live with that well?
Speaker 9: I think.
Speaker 25: I think if there's a non aggression pack between Reform
Speaker 25: and the Conservatives in twenty nine, when our next general
Speaker 25: election is due and they each win enough seats to
Speaker 25: collectively form a majority government, then they could be working.
Speaker 3: Toby, just quickly tell us about the Free speech Union,
Speaker 3: the successes you've had in Britain. We've covered many of them.
Speaker 3: Harry Miller and others we've had on this this show
Speaker 3: over the years. But why is it so important for Australia.
Speaker 3: I mentioned Selene's case, but what is the critical thing
Speaker 3: and how can people get in contact and why should
Speaker 3: they get in contact with the free Speech Union here
Speaker 3: in Australia.
Speaker 25: Well, the assaults on free speech in Australia are similar
Speaker 25: to the assaults across the English speaking world. We now
Speaker 25: have free speech unions in New Zealand, in South Africa.
Speaker 25: We're hoping to get one set up in Canada. It's important,
Speaker 25: I think, to organize to collectively fight back because the
Speaker 25: assault on free speech seems organized, it seems planned. So
Speaker 25: everything you're seeing in Australia, like the e Safety Commission,
Speaker 25: we have a similar thing in England. We have our
Speaker 25: own Online Safety Act. In Canada, there's an online Safety
Speaker 25: Bill which is even worse than what you have here.
Speaker 25: It looks like the federal government are considering a hate
Speaker 25: crime Act that needs to be staunchly resisted. They're also
Speaker 25: considering an anti misinformation bill. And you know what misinformation means.
Speaker 25: It means any political point of view that I disagree
Speaker 25: with that and so that needs to be heavily resisted,
Speaker 25: and it looks like the Free Speech Union of Australia
Speaker 25: is beginning to organize, is beginning to mobilize, and hopefully
Speaker 25: we'll be able to coordinate some of that resistance to
Speaker 25: these efforts to limit our god given right to free speech.
Speaker 3: Brilliant Toby Young, thank you so much, and Tavy's done
Speaker 3: such a brilliant job with the Daily Skeptic, with The Spectator,
Speaker 3: and of course with the Free Speech Union. You can
Speaker 3: get on contact them online if you've been canceled, or
Speaker 3: for any other reason that you feel your free speech
Speaker 3: is being impeded. What's more coming up in a tick
Speaker 3: here on Outsiders.
Speaker 4: Hello, you're watching Outsiders. I'm James Morrow, and it is
Speaker 4: great to be back here on deck after a couple
Speaker 4: of weeks where with my good friends Rina Panahy at
Speaker 4: Rowan Dean, and of course or you outsiders out there
Speaker 4: who fight the good fight against stupidity every single day. Anyway,
Speaker 4: it's entirely coincidental, but I just happened to be in
Speaker 4: the United States as the Joe Biden White House melted
Speaker 4: it down after his catastrophic debate performance the other night,
Speaker 4: and ever since then, I and many others have been
Speaker 4: left with a million questions, the biggest one being if
Speaker 4: Joe Biden is too incompetent and is incapacitated and isn't
Speaker 4: running the country, than just who the hell is?
Speaker 29: As long as I gave it my all and I
Speaker 29: did the goodest job as I know I can do,
Speaker 29: That's what this is about.
Speaker 4: The goodest job. Yes, he did goodest for you, mister President.
Speaker 4: And by the way, you need to contrast how Joe
Speaker 4: Biden was at that debate to how he sounded just
Speaker 4: four years ago.
Speaker 7: Nobody making less than four hundred thousand dollars will pay
Speaker 7: a penny more in tax.
Speaker 5: Under my proposal. That's a promise.
Speaker 7: That's a guarantee, promise, I give you my words, a Biden,
Speaker 7: that's an absolute guarantee.
Speaker 23: Can you think it's a good idea to raise taxes
Speaker 23: when the economy's in dire straits?
Speaker 5: Depending who you're raising them on.
Speaker 7: Look, if you're raising somebody who's making a billion dollars
Speaker 7: a year, it's not a problem that they pay thirty
Speaker 7: nine point six percent, which everybody should pay.
Speaker 5: Rais another ninety billion dollars.
Speaker 4: Now, whatever you think about taking somebody's word as a
Speaker 4: Biden boy. You simply cannot tell me that something has
Speaker 4: not happened to that man over the past four years. Anyway, now,
Speaker 4: as we know, the Democrats are attempting the ultimate cleanup
Speaker 4: on Isisle Joe, a cleanup operation the size of Chared
Speaker 4: Noble to salvage their hold on power with for the moment.
Speaker 10: At least this guy at the Helm.
Speaker 4: As part of this program, Joe Biden sat down on
Speaker 4: Friday for a pre recorded, heavily edited interview with none
Speaker 4: other than George Stephanopoulos to prove that he was indeed
Speaker 4: of sound mind.
Speaker 10: And body towards Stephanopolis.
Speaker 4: By the way, for those of us with long memories,
Speaker 4: was the guy who has a young staffer on the
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety two Bill Clinton campaign helped clean up what
Speaker 4: were then colloquially known as bimbo eruptions charming, so I
Speaker 4: think we know why he was chosen for this gig. Anyway,
Speaker 4: Let's see how it all went down, shall we. Among
Speaker 4: other things, Joe Biden was unable to remember if he
Speaker 4: even watched a replay of his disastrous debate with Donald Trump.
Speaker 30: Did you ever watch the debate afterwards?
Speaker 5: I don't think I didn't know.
Speaker 10: Well, what I'm trying.
Speaker 30: What I want to get at is what were you
Speaker 30: experiencing as you were going through the debate?
Speaker 12: Did you know how badly it was going?
Speaker 29: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Look, and he declared that he was otherwise fine. The
Speaker 4: slack jawed, glassy eyed performance was just the result of
Speaker 4: a cold and bad preparation.
Speaker 30: You and your team have said you had a bad night,
Speaker 30: but your friend Nancy Pelosi actually framed the question I
Speaker 30: think is on.
Speaker 5: The minds of millions of Americans.
Speaker 30: Was this a bad episode with a sign of a
Speaker 30: more serious condition.
Speaker 5: It's a bad episode.
Speaker 29: Uh, no indication any serious condition. I was exhausted. I
Speaker 29: did listen to my instincts.
Speaker 4: Stounding so great and vigorous there because otherwise well, his
Speaker 4: performance in office has been so good. He was able
Speaker 4: to brag to George Stephanopolis about his foreign policy prowess.
Speaker 30: And the question on so many people's minds right now
Speaker 30: is can you serve effectively for the next four years?
Speaker 7: George, I'm the guy that put NATO together the future.
Speaker 2: No one thought they could expand it. I'm the guy
Speaker 2: that shut PUTIN down.
Speaker 29: No one thought could happen.
Speaker 2: What and again with the creepy.
Speaker 4: Whisper, Sorry, sir, you said you shut putted down.
Speaker 10: I'm leading it.
Speaker 4: Put did invade Ukraine and tie himself even more close
Speaker 4: to with China on your watch, to say nothing of
Speaker 4: the dumpster fire, the releast caused by your fecklessness. Seriously,
Speaker 4: what planet is this guy on? But anyway, Biden did
Speaker 4: press on and said he's drawing the big crowds. That
Speaker 4: prove he's going to get over the line.
Speaker 5: What's your plan to turn the campaign around?
Speaker 29: You saw it today? How many feature do you draw
Speaker 29: crowds like I'm during day? If I'm any more enthusiastic
Speaker 29: through today, I mean.
Speaker 5: I don't think you want to play the crowd game.
Speaker 12: Donald Trump can draw big crowds.
Speaker 10: Well, ain't that the truth?
Speaker 4: And this was, in fact the size of Biden's big
Speaker 4: crowd at a campaign rally in Wisconsin earlier in the day.
Speaker 10: I swear, look at it, it.
Speaker 4: Looks like the Madison chapter of Friends of the ABC.
Speaker 4: But after showing up an hour late to that, Joe
Speaker 4: Biden then did manage to forget what year it was.
Speaker 27: Oh, be Donald Trump, I will beat him again in
Speaker 27: twenty twenty. Well, by the way, we're gonna join again
Speaker 27: in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, nice clean up there, Eddie showed.
Speaker 10: His characteristic bigger anyway.
Speaker 4: Now here's the important thing to understand about what's been
Speaker 4: going on for the past two weeks. It isn't just
Speaker 4: about the big truth of Joe Biden's mental state finally
Speaker 4: being revealed for old c No, the problem is a
Speaker 4: lot bigger, and there is still one massive question again
Speaker 4: no one is able to answer, because now we know
Speaker 4: the truth. What we all suspected all along was correct.
Speaker 4: Joe Biden simply in the midst of an irreversible physical
Speaker 4: and method decline. He is not up to the job,
Speaker 4: and if he were a relative of yours or mine,
Speaker 4: we'd be having serious family discussions about what to do,
Speaker 4: not instead making him run for president again. In an
Speaker 4: absolute bombshell piece published two days ago, New York Magazine's
Speaker 4: Olivia Nutsie said, we have learned that the president's own
Speaker 4: supporters have been horrified seeing his inability to recall names,
Speaker 4: stay for events, and even just generally looking cadaverous at
Speaker 4: events within close Biden circles too. It turns out the
Speaker 4: question remains who is really running the country?
Speaker 3: Great question there, James let's try and find out. Joining
Speaker 3: us is Hudson Institute Senior fellow Michael Duran live from Washington,
Speaker 3: d C. Great to see you, as always, Mike. Who's
Speaker 3: running the country.
Speaker 12: Burunck Obama is running the country?
Speaker 3: Tell us, tell us, Mike, your take on the last
Speaker 3: week and you know who will be who?
Speaker 12: You know?
Speaker 2: Will Joe Biden survive through to the election?
Speaker 14: Let me start with the last question. Will you survive
Speaker 14: through to the election? Nobody knows. It's it's amazing to watch.
Speaker 14: I have to say, I haven't been you know, I'm
Speaker 14: primarily a foreign policy guy focused on the Middle East.
Speaker 14: I haven't been so interested in American politics for a
Speaker 14: long time. Because it's an incredible drama. You know, twenty
Speaker 14: years from now, this is going to make some for
Speaker 14: some great movies when people actually in Hollywood will tell
Speaker 14: the truth about about what's really going on right now.
Speaker 12: Nobody, nobody, who.
Speaker 14: The people who make movies won't tell us what's actually
Speaker 14: wouldn't buy wouldn't They're dramatize what's what's really going on?
Speaker 14: But it isn't the classic case of an immovable object
Speaker 14: meeting an irresistible force. As long as Biden himself won't
Speaker 14: step aside.
Speaker 12: They're really stuck with him.
Speaker 14: The process of moving him out is going to be
Speaker 14: so damaging to the party and so difficult and probably
Speaker 14: really impossible to do that. I think they're going to
Speaker 14: just try to rally around as we're seeing. But just
Speaker 14: as James said, his decline is so obvious, it's so undeniable.
Speaker 12: The truth is out. We can't fake it anymore. And
Speaker 12: he's not going to get any better as he goes
Speaker 12: along here. So I don't know how. I can't tell
Speaker 12: you exactly what's going to happen.
Speaker 14: We just have to watch this incredible drama and we
Speaker 14: can imagine the great dramas that it's going to produce
Speaker 14: in Hollywood twenty years from now.
Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about the great Mike, let's talk about
Speaker 3: the great dramas in Middle East and foreign policy.
Speaker 2: As you said, that's your area of expertise.
Speaker 3: How dangerous is it now for the world that we
Speaker 3: have a visibly incompetent.
Speaker 2: President. Will Iran sees this as.
Speaker 3: An opportunity to cause far more trouble in the Middle East?
Speaker 3: Will China see it as an opportunity. What's your Middle
Speaker 3: and what's your foreign policy take.
Speaker 12: I think, I think it's very dangerous.
Speaker 14: I think we're living through one of the most dangerous
Speaker 14: times of my lifetime. The and I think if Trump
Speaker 14: wins in and when when do we have We have
Speaker 14: the election in November. If he wins in November, then
Speaker 14: I think that period between November and January is going
Speaker 14: to be extremely dangerous.
Speaker 12: It's going to be the most dangerous.
Speaker 14: Point, uh of all. I think all of the adversaries
Speaker 14: are trying to pocket what they can under under Biden.
Speaker 14: I don't want to say that they're they're going to
Speaker 14: try to push us to war, or that would be dangerous.
Speaker 14: We're still an extremely powerful country and there are people
Speaker 14: who are still making decisions that who have the authority
Speaker 14: to make decisions and so I but but there's clearly
Speaker 14: a recognition I think by Iran especially that that there's
Speaker 14: a lot to be there's a lot of benefit to
Speaker 14: be had at this particular moment because the entire Biden administration,
Speaker 14: not just the President himself but all of his senior
Speaker 14: advisors believe in stabilizing the Middle.
Speaker 12: East by working with Iran.
Speaker 14: UH and so they have they have this this administration
Speaker 14: that is weak and that is and that's favorably inclined
Speaker 14: toward them.
Speaker 12: So they're going to try to pocket everything they can.
Speaker 6: I think, well, that weakness has been evident for some time,
Speaker 6: and we've had eleven embassies evacuated under Biden, and embassies
Speaker 6: have been attacked, and you mentioned Iran, But what about
Speaker 6: China in these final months of the Biden administration? What
Speaker 6: we think will the final months, are they likely to
Speaker 6: make a move?
Speaker 12: I think they're going to try to erode us.
Speaker 14: My my sense with the Chinese is the thing that's
Speaker 14: really restraining them at the moment is their own economic problems.
Speaker 14: They have some really gaping holes in their economy and
Speaker 14: a major conflict with the United States could could be
Speaker 14: very damaging to them. So I think that that is
Speaker 14: probably holding them back. But they're gonna they're going to
Speaker 14: try to to erode our power as they've been doing
Speaker 14: all along and with Taiwan, uh, you know, by by death,
Speaker 14: by a thousand cuts, rather than trying to make one big,
Speaker 14: you know, boom and we're finished.
Speaker 4: Move Michael, I want to just come back though, to
Speaker 4: the domestic side of things and the Democrats. Because you
Speaker 4: studied foreign policy, you studied foreign regimes, You've studied revolutions,
Speaker 4: and what it feels like to me is watching on
Speaker 4: the Democrat side. You know what a preference cascade develops,
Speaker 4: and when suddenly one person says, suddenly it's okay to
Speaker 4: say that the leader has no power and that this
Speaker 4: is all an empty suit of closed everybody is now
Speaker 4: coming out and saying the same thing. Are we seeing
Speaker 4: that kind of thing? I mean, I'm reminded of like
Speaker 4: when Romania fell and when Eastern European countries fell, and
Speaker 4: everybody just said, nah, you know what, We're not doing
Speaker 4: it anymore. This guy, We're done with him. How does
Speaker 4: Biden maintain any respect within his party?
Speaker 14: That is exactly what I find so fascinating about this moment.
Speaker 14: I heard Rowan's long, long commentary about twenty thirty minutes
Speaker 14: ago where he went through and said, you know, what
Speaker 14: about what about on climate change and what about on gender?
Speaker 14: Are we going to see cracks in the whole edifice?
Speaker 14: Because what they've done so well since Obama is gaslight
Speaker 14: the rest of us. If you if you say, you know,
Speaker 14: maybe it's not a good idea to give sixty billion
Speaker 14: dollars to they ran.
Speaker 12: Or if you say maybe.
Speaker 14: Maybe Barack Obama is living still living in Washington, d C.
Speaker 14: Because he's still playing a major role.
Speaker 21: Man.
Speaker 14: He's not necessarily running the whole government, but still playing
Speaker 14: a major role in politics. That's unprecedented in our history.
Speaker 14: If you say those things, you get immediately branded as
Speaker 14: a conspiracy theorist or a denier of one sort or another.
Speaker 14: People roll their eyes at you in the room. You
Speaker 14: guys know this all the well. They do it extremely well.
Speaker 14: And suddenly they can't do that on the most on
Speaker 14: a major issue. And they were just just a few
Speaker 14: weeks ago they were denying. They were all of them
Speaker 14: were testifying about his mental acuity and so on, and
Speaker 14: then suddenly we all see that it's that the Emperor
Speaker 14: has no close So I do wonder what the cascade
Speaker 14: effect will be. But I come out of academia and
Speaker 14: I want I lost an argument with a friend of
Speaker 14: mine twenty years ago where I said that their wokeness
Speaker 14: and academia the pendulum had moved so far to the
Speaker 14: left that it inevitably was going to move back to
Speaker 14: the right. And I since I left academia, and I'm
Speaker 14: so glad I did it. Never it never, it never
Speaker 14: went back going and going, and going and going, and
Speaker 14: all the rules of the sense that we have that
Speaker 14: that truth will set you free, and that the truth
Speaker 14: has a power all its own.
Speaker 12: I do believe that it does. But the thing that
Speaker 12: I've learned.
Speaker 14: In the last twenty years is that is that truth
Speaker 14: is less powerful than I thought it was.
Speaker 3: Michael, wanted to ask you about here in Australia this week,
Speaker 3: the Australian government, the Labor government, called a junior minister,
Speaker 3: not even the foreign minister. The junior Foreign minister called
Speaker 3: in a mere Maiman, the Israeli ambassador and said we
Speaker 3: will not support you if you get engaged with hes.
Speaker 2: Boala in the North.
Speaker 3: Now you're a Middle East expert, what does are you surprised?
Speaker 2: Horrified?
Speaker 3: What's your reaction to some petty official in the Australian
Speaker 3: government dressing down the Israeli ambassador and saying Australia will
Speaker 3: not support you if you go in to defend yourself
Speaker 3: from Hezbola.
Speaker 14: I'm not surprised at all, and it wouldn't surprise me
Speaker 14: if they got an urging or a wink and a
Speaker 14: nod from the Americans to do that. That is the
Speaker 14: that is the message that the Americans are sending to
Speaker 14: the Israelis if the really serious enemy that the Israelis
Speaker 14: are having much more problem, a much bigger problem with
Speaker 14: Hamas than they ever thought they would. But his Bla
Speaker 14: is the most serious enemy they have, in some ways
Speaker 14: even more serious than Iran. I mean, Iran is, of
Speaker 14: course the power behind all of these enemies of Israel.
Speaker 12: But his Belah has.
Speaker 14: One hundred and fifty thousand rockets and missiles a massed
Speaker 14: right on Israel's border. Some ten or twenty thousand of
Speaker 14: those are precision guided. His Belah alone can overwhelm Iron
Speaker 14: Dome and do hit all of the critical national infrastructure
Speaker 14: of Israel. So the real threat, let's say, the center
Speaker 14: of gravity of the threat that Iran poses to Israel
Speaker 14: is through his Belah and the administration. The Biden administration
Speaker 14: wants to end the war in Gaza today it once
Speaker 14: attended two months ago, if not before, because it's afraid
Speaker 14: of Israel going after his Belah. And it's afraid of
Speaker 14: that because for many different reasons, but among them is
Speaker 14: that it completely destroys their view of regional order, which
Speaker 14: is to be achieved in their mind by reaching some
Speaker 14: kind of strategic accommodation with Iran. The conflict between the
Speaker 14: Law and Israel is the point at which where the
Speaker 14: Biden Administration's Iran engagement policy.
Speaker 12: Really falls apart.
Speaker 3: Mike Duran, that's amazing. Thank you so much for those insights.
Speaker 3: Great to have your expertise, Michael Duran, middle East and
Speaker 3: foreign expert there in was in the Bush administration as well.
Speaker 3: Great to always have Mike here on Outsiders.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much.
Speaker 3: After the break, we'll show you what Mahren Marin Ferruki
Speaker 3: said on Insiders. Just a few moments you go what
Speaker 3: somebody watched it seriously in a ticket.
Speaker 4: Hello, you're watching Outsiders. I'm James Morrow, and it is
Speaker 4: great to be back here on deck after a couple
Speaker 4: of weeks away with my good friends Rina panahe at
Speaker 4: Rowan Dean and of course all you outsiders out there
Speaker 4: who fight the good fight against stupidity every single day. Anyway,
Speaker 4: it's entirely coincidental, but I just happened to be in
Speaker 4: the United States as the Joe Biden White House melted
Speaker 4: it down after his catastrophic debate performance the other night,
Speaker 4: and ever since then, I and many others have been
Speaker 4: left with a million questions, the biggest one being if
Speaker 4: Joe Biden is too incompetent and is incapacitated and isn't
Speaker 4: running the country, then just who the hell is?
Speaker 29: As long as I gave it my all and I
Speaker 29: did the goodest job as I know I can do,
Speaker 29: That's what this is about.
Speaker 4: The goodest job. Yes, he did goodest for you, mister President.
Speaker 4: And by the way, you need to contrast how Joe
Speaker 4: Biden was at that debate to how he sounded just
Speaker 4: four years ago.
Speaker 7: Nobody making less than four hundred thousand dollars will pay
Speaker 7: a penny more in tax under my proposal.
Speaker 5: That's a promise.
Speaker 7: That's a guarantee, a promise I give you my words, Abiden,
Speaker 7: that's an absolute guarantee.
Speaker 23: And you think it's a good idea to raise taxes
Speaker 23: when the economy's in dire straits.
Speaker 5: Depending who you're raising them on.
Speaker 7: Look, if you're raising somebody who's making a billion dollars
Speaker 7: a year, it's not a problem that they pay thirty
Speaker 7: nine point six percent, which everybody should pay.
Speaker 5: Raise another ninety billion dollars.
Speaker 4: Now, whatever you think about taking somebody's word as a
Speaker 4: Biden boy, you simply cannot tell me that something has
Speaker 4: not happened to that man over the past four years. Anyway, Now,
Speaker 4: as we know, the Democrats are attempting the ultimate cleanup
Speaker 4: on Aisle Joe, a cleanup operation the size of Chared Noble,
Speaker 4: to salvage their hold on power with for the moment, at.
Speaker 10: Least this guy at the help.
Speaker 4: As part of this program, Joe Biden sat down on
Speaker 4: Friday for a pre recorded, heavily edited interview with none
Speaker 4: other than George Stephanopolis to prove that he was indeed
Speaker 4: of sound mind and body. George Stephanopolis, by the way,
Speaker 4: for those of us with long memories, was the guy
Speaker 4: who has a young staffer on the nineteen ninety two
Speaker 4: Bill Clinton campaign helped clean up what were then colloquially
Speaker 4: known as bimbo eruptions Charman. So I think we know
Speaker 4: why he was chosen for this gig. Anyway, Let's see
Speaker 4: how it all went down, shall we. Among other things,
Speaker 4: Joe Biden was unable to remember if he even watched
Speaker 4: a replay of his disastrous debate with Donald Trump.
Speaker 30: Did you ever watch the debate afterwards?
Speaker 5: I don't think I didn't know.
Speaker 30: Well, I'm trying what I want to get at is
Speaker 30: what were you experiencing as you were going through the debate?
Speaker 12: Did you know how badly it was going?
Speaker 29: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Look, and he declared that he was otherwise fine. The
Speaker 4: slack jawed, glassy odd performance was just the result of
Speaker 4: a cold and bad preparation.
Speaker 30: You and your team have said you had a bad night,
Speaker 30: but your friend Nancy Pelosi actually framed the question I
Speaker 30: think is.
Speaker 5: On the minds of millions of Americans.
Speaker 30: Was this a bad episode with a sign of a
Speaker 30: more serious condition.
Speaker 29: It's a bad episode, no indication any serious condition.
Speaker 5: I was exhausted. I did listen to my instincts.
Speaker 4: The sounding so great and vigorous there because otherwise well,
Speaker 4: his performance in office has been so good. He was
Speaker 4: able to brag to George Stephanopoulos about his foreign policy prowess.
Speaker 30: And the question on so many people's minds right now
Speaker 30: is can you serve effectively for the next four years?
Speaker 7: George, I'm the guy that put NATO together the future.
Speaker 2: No one thought they could expand it. I'm the guy
Speaker 2: that shut Putin down. No one thought could happen. What
Speaker 2: and again with the creepy.
Speaker 4: Whisper, Sorry, sir, you said you shut Putin down? Did
Speaker 4: Putin invade Ukraine and tie himself even more close to
Speaker 4: with China on your watch, to say nothing of the
Speaker 4: dumpster fire the releast caused by your fecklessness. Seriously, what
Speaker 4: planet is this guy on? But anyway, Biden did press
Speaker 4: on and said he's drawing the big crowds. That prove
Speaker 4: he's going to get over the line.
Speaker 5: What's your plan to turn the campaign around?
Speaker 29: You saw it today?
Speaker 5: How many?
Speaker 29: How many feature you didn't draw crowds like I'm drenday
Speaker 29: if I'm any more enthusiastic through today.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think you want to play the
Speaker 5: crowd game.
Speaker 12: Donald Trump can draw big crowds.
Speaker 10: Well, ain't that the truth?
Speaker 4: And this was, in fact the size of Biden's big
Speaker 4: crowd at a campaign rally in Wisconsin earlier in the day.
Speaker 4: I swear to look at it, it looks like the Madison
Speaker 4: chapter of Friends of the ABC.
Speaker 10: But after showing up an half hour late.
Speaker 4: To that, Joe Biden then did manage to forget what
Speaker 4: year it was.
Speaker 27: Oh, bet, Donald Trump, I will beat him again in
Speaker 27: twenty twenty. Well, by the way, we're going to join
Speaker 27: again in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 10: Well, yeah, nice cleanup there, Eddie showed his characteristic bigger anyway.
Speaker 4: Now here's the important thing to understand about what's been
Speaker 4: going on for the past two weeks. It isn't just
Speaker 4: about the big truth of Joe Biden's mental state finally
Speaker 4: being revealed for old. No, the problem is a lot bigger,
Speaker 4: and there is still one massive question again no one
Speaker 4: is able to answer, because now we know the truth.
Speaker 10: What we all suspected all along was correct.
Speaker 4: Joe Biden is simply in the midst of an irreversible
Speaker 4: physical and method decline. He is not up to the job,
Speaker 4: and if he were a relative of yours or mine,
Speaker 4: we'd be having serious family discussions about what to do,
Speaker 4: not instead making him run for president again. In an
Speaker 4: absolute bombshell piece published two days ago, New York Magazine's
Speaker 4: Olivia Nutsie said, we have learned that the president's own
Speaker 4: supporters have been horrified seeing his inability to recall names,
Speaker 4: stay for events, and even just generally looking cadaverous at
Speaker 4: events within close Biden's circles.
Speaker 10: Too.
Speaker 2: It turns out the question remains.
Speaker 10: Who is really running the country?
Speaker 3: Great question there, James, Let's try and find out joining
Speaker 3: US is Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Michael Duran live from Washington,
Speaker 3: d C. Great to see you, as always, Mike.
Speaker 2: Who's running the country.
Speaker 12: Our uncle Obama is running the country.
Speaker 3: Tell us, Mike, your take on the last week and
Speaker 3: you know who will be who?
Speaker 12: You know?
Speaker 2: Will Joe Biden survive through to the election?
Speaker 14: Let me start with the last question. Will you survive
Speaker 14: through to the election? Nobody knows. It's amazing to watch.
Speaker 14: I have to say I haven't been you know, I'm
Speaker 14: primarily a foreign policy guy focused on the Middle East.
Speaker 14: I haven't been so interested in American politics for a
Speaker 14: long time. Because it's an incredible drama. You know, twenty
Speaker 14: years from now, this is going to make some for
Speaker 14: some great movies when people actually in Hollywood will tell
Speaker 14: the truth about about what's really going on right now.
Speaker 14: Nobody who the people who make movies won't tell us
Speaker 14: what's actually wouldn't buy wouldn't They're dramatize what's what's really
Speaker 14: going on. It isn't the classic case of an immovable
Speaker 14: object meeting an irresistible force. As long as Biden himself
Speaker 14: won't step aside, they're really stuck with him. The process
Speaker 14: of moving him out is going to be so damaging
Speaker 14: to the party and so difficult and probably really impossible
Speaker 14: to do that. I think they're going to just try
Speaker 14: to rally around as we're seeing.
Speaker 12: But just as.
Speaker 14: James said, his decline is so obvious, it's so undeniable.
Speaker 12: The truth is out.
Speaker 14: We can't fake it anymore, and he's not going to
Speaker 14: get any better as he goes along here.
Speaker 12: So I don't know how.
Speaker 14: I can't tell you exactly what's going to happen. We
Speaker 14: just have to watch this incredible drama and we can
Speaker 14: imagine the great drama is that it's going to produce
Speaker 14: in Hollywood twenty years from now.
Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about the great Mike, let's talk about
Speaker 3: the great dramas in Middle East and foreign policy.
Speaker 2: As you said, that's your area of expertise.
Speaker 3: How dangerous is it now for the world that we
Speaker 3: have a visibly incompetent.
Speaker 2: President. Will Iran sees this as.
Speaker 3: An opportunity to cause far more trouble in the Middle East?
Speaker 3: Will China see it as an opportunity. What's your middle
Speaker 3: what's your foreign policy take?
Speaker 12: I think I think it's very dangerous.
Speaker 14: I think we're living through one of the most dangerous
Speaker 14: times of my lifetime. The and I think if Trump
Speaker 14: wins in and when do we have we have the
Speaker 14: election in November. If he wins in November, then I
Speaker 14: think that period between November and January is going to
Speaker 14: be extremely dangerous.
Speaker 12: It's going to be the most dangerous point.
Speaker 14: Of all. I think all of the adversaries are trying
Speaker 14: to pocket what they can under under Biden. I don't
Speaker 14: want to say that they're they're going to try to
Speaker 14: push us to war, or that would be dangerous. We're
Speaker 14: still an extremely powerful country, UH, and there are people
Speaker 14: who are still making decisions and who have the authority
Speaker 14: to make decisions and so I but but there's clearly
Speaker 14: a recognition, I think by Iran especially that that there's
Speaker 14: a lot to be there's a lot of benefit to
Speaker 14: be had at this particular moment because the entire Biden administration,
Speaker 14: not just the president himself but all of his senior
Speaker 14: advisors believe in stabilizing the Middle East by working with Iran.
Speaker 26: UH.
Speaker 14: And so they have they have this this administration that
Speaker 14: is weak and that is and that's favorably inclined toward them.
Speaker 14: So they're going to try to pocket everything they can.
Speaker 6: I think, well, that weakness has been evident for some time,
Speaker 6: and we've had eleven embassies evacuated under Biden, embassies have
Speaker 6: been attacked, and you mentioned Iran, But what about China
Speaker 6: In these final months of the Biden administration, what we
Speaker 6: think will be the final months, are they likely to
Speaker 6: make a move.
Speaker 12: I think they're going to try to erode us.
Speaker 14: My my sense with the Chinese is the thing that's
Speaker 14: really restraining them at the moment is their own economic problems.
Speaker 14: They have some really gaping holes in their economy and
Speaker 14: a major conflict with the United States could could be
Speaker 14: very damaging to them. So I think that that is
Speaker 14: probably holding them back. But they're gonna they're going to
Speaker 14: try to to erode our power, as they've been doing
Speaker 14: all along, and with Taiwan, you know, by by death,
Speaker 14: by a thousand cuts, rather than trying to make one
Speaker 14: big you know, boom and we're finished.
Speaker 10: Move Michael.
Speaker 4: I want to just come back though, to the domestic
Speaker 4: side of things and the Democrats, because you studied foreign policy,
Speaker 4: you studied foreign regimes, you've studied revolutions, and what it
Speaker 4: feels like to me is watching on the Democrat side.
Speaker 4: You know what, a preference cascade develops, and when suddenly
Speaker 4: one person says, suddenly it's okay to say that the
Speaker 4: leader has no power and that this is all an
Speaker 4: empty suit of closed everybody is now coming out and
Speaker 4: saying the same thing.
Speaker 10: Are we seeing that kind of thing?
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm reminded of like when Romania fell and
Speaker 4: when Eastern European countries fell, and everybody just said, nah,
Speaker 4: you know what, We're not doing it anymore. This guy,
Speaker 4: We're done with him. How does Biden maintain any respect
Speaker 4: within his party?
Speaker 14: That is exactly what I find so fascinating about this moment.
Speaker 14: I heard Rowan's long, long commentary about twenty thirty minutes
Speaker 14: ago where he went through a said, you know, what
Speaker 14: about what about on climate change? And what about on gender?
Speaker 14: Are we going to see cracks in the whole edifice?
Speaker 14: Because what they've done so well since Obama is gaslight
Speaker 14: the rest of us. You if you say, you know,
Speaker 14: maybe it's not a good idea to give sixty billion
Speaker 14: dollars to they ran, Or if you say maybe maybe
Speaker 14: Barack Obama is living still living in Washington, d C.
Speaker 14: Because he's still playing a major role. Man, He's not
Speaker 14: necessarily running the whole government, but still playing a major
Speaker 14: role in politics. That's unprecedented in our history. If you
Speaker 14: say those things, you get immediately branded as a conspiracy
Speaker 14: theorist or a denier of one sort or another.
Speaker 12: People roll their eyes at you in the room. You
Speaker 12: guys know this.
Speaker 14: All the well, they do it extremely well. And suddenly
Speaker 14: they can't do that on the on a major issue.
Speaker 14: And and they were just just a few weeks ago
Speaker 14: they were denying. They were all of them were testifying
Speaker 14: about his mental aculity and and so on. And then
Speaker 14: suddenly we all see that it's that the emperor has
Speaker 14: no close So I do wonder.
Speaker 12: What the cascade effect will be.
Speaker 14: But I I come out of academia, and I want
Speaker 14: I lost an argument with a friend of mine twenty
Speaker 14: years ago where I said that their wokeness and academia
Speaker 14: the pendulum had moved so far to the left that
Speaker 14: it inevitably was going to move back to the right.
Speaker 14: And I since have left academia, and I'm so glad
Speaker 14: I did it. Never it never, it never went back,
Speaker 14: going and going and going and going, and all the
Speaker 14: all the rules of the sense that we have, that
Speaker 14: that that truth will set you free, and that the
Speaker 14: truth has a power all its own. I do believe
Speaker 14: that it does. But the thing that I've learned in
Speaker 14: the last twenty years is that is that truth is
Speaker 14: less powerful than I thought it was.
Speaker 3: Michael, wanted to ask you about here in Australia this week,
Speaker 3: the Australian government, a labor government, called a junior minister,
Speaker 3: not even the foreign minister.
Speaker 2: The junior foreign minister.
Speaker 3: Called in a mere Maiman, the Israeli ambassador and said
Speaker 3: we will not support you if you get engaged with
Speaker 3: Hesbola in the North. Now you're a Middle East expert,
Speaker 3: what does are you surprised?
Speaker 2: Horrified?
Speaker 3: What's your reaction to some petty official in the Australian
Speaker 3: government dressing down the Israeli ambassador and saying Australia will
Speaker 3: not support you if you go in to defend yourself
Speaker 3: from Hezbola.
Speaker 14: I'm not surprised at all, and it wouldn't surprise me
Speaker 14: if they got an urging or a wink and a
Speaker 14: nod from the Americans to do that. That is the
Speaker 14: message that the Americans are sending to the Israelis the
Speaker 14: really serious enemy the Israelis are having much more problem,
Speaker 14: a much bigger problem with Hamas than they ever thought
Speaker 14: they would. But his Belah is the most serious enemy
Speaker 14: they have, in some ways even more serious than Iran.
Speaker 14: I mean, Iran is, of course the power behind all
Speaker 14: of these enemies of Israel.
Speaker 12: But his Belah has.
Speaker 14: One hundred and fifty thousand rockets and missiles a massed
Speaker 14: right on Israel's border. Some ten or twenty thousand of
Speaker 14: those are precision guided. His Belah alone can overwhelm Iron
Speaker 14: Dome and do hit all of the critical national infrastructure
Speaker 14: of Israel. So the real threat, let's say, the center
Speaker 14: of gravity of the threat that Iran poses to Israel
Speaker 14: is through his Belah and the administration. The Biden administration
Speaker 14: wants to end the war in Gaza today it once
Speaker 14: attended two months ago, if not before, because it's afraid
Speaker 14: of the of the of Israel going after his Belah.
Speaker 14: And it's afraid of that because for many different reasons,
Speaker 14: but among them is that it completely destroys their their
Speaker 14: view of regional order, which is to be achieved in
Speaker 14: their mind by reaching some kind of strategic accommodation with Iran.
Speaker 12: The conflict between Bellah.
Speaker 14: And Israel is the point at which were where the
Speaker 14: Biden Administration's Iran engagement policy.
Speaker 12: Really falls apart.
Speaker 3: Wow, Mike Duran, that's amazing. Thank you so much for
Speaker 3: those insights. Great to have your expertise, Michael Duran, middle
Speaker 3: East and foreign expert.
Speaker 2: There in was in the Bush administration as well.
Speaker 3: Great to always have Mike here on outside as Thanks
Speaker 3: so much. After the break, we'll show you what Marin
Speaker 3: Marin Ferruki said on Insiders just.
Speaker 2: A few moments ago. What somebody watched it seriously A.
Speaker 6: Take it.
Speaker 3: Hyperboll the world of hyperbole, as pronounced by Julia Gillard
Speaker 3: extreme exaggeration. Well, I think Marine Ferouki was rushed in
Speaker 3: to get her hyperbol entry and just in the neck
Speaker 3: of time she was there on Insiders to show that
Speaker 3: copied outs.
Speaker 2: Sorry they didn't.
Speaker 3: Actually they were their first one that yes, anyway, whatever
Speaker 3: on Insiders, this is what she had to say.
Speaker 17: But a security bridge at Parliament House, you're a senator,
Speaker 17: is that something you want to encourage.
Speaker 13: We're not encouraging any protests that are you know, violent,
Speaker 13: And I think it was a bit rich of the
Speaker 13: Prime Minister to say that kind of unfurling a banner
Speaker 13: from the top of the Parliament House was somehow not
Speaker 13: a peaceful protest.
Speaker 6: Reader, there's no nothing, But where do you start. They
Speaker 6: unfurled a genocider message. They said, from the river to
Speaker 6: the sea, Palasige will be free, which means there is
Speaker 6: no Israel. The only Jewish state is eradicated. So to
Speaker 6: say that's the Prime Minister himself is on the record
Speaker 6: saying that is a violent message that has no place
Speaker 6: in Australia. So and to have these people breach Parliament's
Speaker 6: House security, to.
Speaker 9: Have the.
Speaker 6: Our Parliament tainted by that, and for her to just
Speaker 6: be almost approving of it because there was no one.
Speaker 4: Bashed Rita, I'm sorry. I'm going to say, you have
Speaker 4: gone far too late on these people here. You've been
Speaker 4: far too easy on them. You know, the idea that
Speaker 4: this was a peaceful protest, No, I'm sorry, it absolutely wasn't.
Speaker 4: When you put that red Hamas triangle onto your batter,
Speaker 4: that is a symbol that says this is a target
Speaker 4: to Hamas. That's the number one thing. Number two. They
Speaker 4: scaled fences, they climbed up onto a roof, They controlled
Speaker 4: the commanding heights of the entrance to Parliament House after
Speaker 4: a security upgrade of what one hundred and twenty one
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty million dollars that apparently was completely useless money.
Speaker 4: Now I want to know also how this was allowed
Speaker 4: to happen. Who let these people near the building? Was
Speaker 4: there any inside help. There's a lot of questions. There
Speaker 4: needs to be an absolutely full investigation these people. Yes, fine,
Speaker 4: they had banners, although very distasteful banners that could have
Speaker 4: been a lot worse. There needs to be a full
Speaker 4: investigation into what happened. This is where the public goes,
Speaker 4: this is where school kids go, This is where parliamentarians
Speaker 4: meet people.
Speaker 3: This is not on one hundred percent. James here here
Speaker 3: great tightly. Now let's lighten it a little bit here
Speaker 3: for we're going to do this in lefty lunacy earlier.
Speaker 3: But this is a this is the classic trick fight
Speaker 3: the left with their own arguments.
Speaker 2: So what happened.
Speaker 3: This was one of the gay pride marches or whatever
Speaker 3: in the States, and there's a woman who's dressed up
Speaker 3: and all the thing, and the interviewer comes along and
Speaker 3: accuses her of.
Speaker 2: Being a trans woman. Have a little look and listen.
Speaker 2: What happens. It's great. When I first transitioned, I realized
Speaker 2: very quickly.
Speaker 3: That my I am became about my community.
Speaker 23: I am Jessica, a pilot with Alaska Airline.
Speaker 2: Is sorry, that's a different one. That's the wrong.
Speaker 6: What happened?
Speaker 10: No, no, no, the.
Speaker 3: Magic of what happens behindest and you wouldn't believe it's
Speaker 3: so good.
Speaker 9: No, beautiful trans woman out here, tell us about your transition?
Speaker 9: How I no.
Speaker 18: So I have a question for you.
Speaker 16: Why are you asking me those questions?
Speaker 9: If we're interviewing like trans women and stuff like that,
Speaker 9: I'm not a trans woman. I'm a oh no, no,
Speaker 9: we're support fully supportive. Do you want to talk about
Speaker 9: sort of transitioning or anything like that, or like what people.
Speaker 6: Going to do a transition?
Speaker 16: Because I was born a woman?
Speaker 9: No, of course you're a woman. Of course.
Speaker 6: Does it make a trans woman any less of a woman?
Speaker 20: No?
Speaker 9: You are one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: I'm not a trans woman.
Speaker 9: Is there another definition that people like to use?
Speaker 6: Or you thought I was a man?
Speaker 2: We go the end?
Speaker 6: She witfully term. She was all on board and well,
Speaker 6: this is what happens. And I saw that pop star
Speaker 6: Pink have a similar reaction. When someone posted a picture
Speaker 6: of a trans woman in her and then she was
Speaker 6: absolutely appalled and outraged and a daughter saw this. But
Speaker 6: it's like, well, no, you say, anyone who identifies as
Speaker 6: a woman as a woman, So why would you be
Speaker 6: upset by this comparison. That's a woman, and they're comparing
Speaker 6: you to a woman with a similar haircut. Deal with it.
Speaker 2: Bite them, James, with their own logic.
Speaker 10: This is a great theater.
Speaker 4: And this is where the right always wins, because when
Speaker 4: they have a sense of humor, they win, you know.
Speaker 4: And this is what goes back to the Olinsky thing.
Speaker 4: This goes back to Soul Olinsky and rules for radicals.
Speaker 4: Make your opponents pay the rules that they would oppose
Speaker 4: on you.
Speaker 2: Exit now just quickly.
Speaker 3: I think we've got this grab here a's of some
Speaker 3: soldiers talking about when Donald Trump went to Afghanistan and
Speaker 3: basically threatened a threat, and we'll have a listen here
Speaker 3: we go.
Speaker 1: President Trump looked at at the Taliban leader and said this,
Speaker 1: I want to leave Afghanistan, but it's going to be
Speaker 1: a conditions based withdraw and translator translated, and he said,
Speaker 1: if you harm a hair on a single American, I'm
Speaker 1: going to kill you, and a translator goes, Trump goes.
Speaker 12: What I said.
Speaker 3: And then as he got up to leave, Donald Trump
Speaker 3: handed a phone to the Afghanistan leader on which was
Speaker 3: a photo of that Afghanistan leader's house and family. That
Speaker 3: was Donald Trump in power. That is what is why
Speaker 3: you have strong leaders, not week leaders.
Speaker 6: James Congressman to soldiers, Sorry, it's not an emotion.
Speaker 4: I would the most soldiers are more honorable than most Congressman,
Speaker 4: although perhaps not in that case. That said, that said,
Speaker 4: you know, this goes back to also the great lie
Speaker 4: that Joe Biden told during that debate when he said,
Speaker 4: you know, nobody had died on his watch. I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: what about the thirteen Americans you died and Americans who
Speaker 4: got held hostage? You weren't allowed to leave during the chaotic,
Speaker 4: disgraceful withdrawal from Afghanistan, which was the moment I think
Speaker 4: when the Biden administration really started to fall apart, and
Speaker 4: the entire world looked and said, well, this is what
Speaker 4: you get, and that's how we had October seventh that
Speaker 4: we had not ran.
Speaker 10: That's rope, shine and everything else.
Speaker 6: Trump is very much to have done something similar with
Speaker 6: Pusian where He said to him, if you want to
Speaker 6: invade Ukraine again, if you have good ideas like you've
Speaker 6: had to lose your guest, No, no, he said, I'll
Speaker 6: bomb Mosco