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Speaker 1: Let's talk about words, and there's a call for new

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Speaker 1: sport words for the Australian National Dictionary. More sport words,

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Speaker 1: let's find out. Mark Gwinn, Senior researcher at ANU, is

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Speaker 2: Mark, good morning, Good morning, Matthew.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the sport words you're looking for. I

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Speaker 1: suppose you don't know. But why sport words.

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Speaker 2: Particularly, Well, we have an annual appeal to find out

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Speaker 2: some new words or words that we may have missed

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Speaker 2: go back a fair way and we have had various themes.

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Speaker 2: We had food, we've had animals and then other place

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Speaker 2: names and this year we thought sport would be a

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Speaker 2: good topic because it's very Sport is such a large

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Speaker 2: feature of people's social life in Australia, and it's got

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Speaker 2: a large and magnificent history in Australian society. So we know,

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Speaker 2: and then we know there's lots of words out there

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Speaker 2: and we've already recorded hundreds and hundreds of them.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So do you know what you're looking for? It

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Speaker 1: you want people to tell you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, we're interested in finding out words. I mean

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Speaker 2: I've had one earlier this morning someone mentioned doing a

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Speaker 2: jazzer and that's from the from the Great Alex Jedselnko

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Speaker 2: it took amazing marks, and so that refers to doing

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Speaker 2: a jazzer as doing a great mark, or a skyscraper

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Speaker 2: or a specky as the other words that we we've

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Speaker 2: already recorded. So that's an example of one that's two

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Speaker 2: people have actually submitted that phrase already, So that sort

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Speaker 2: of indicates to us that that's a real phrase out there,

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Speaker 2: one that I didn't know. So that's a that's a

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Speaker 2: good example of the kind of words that we're after,

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Speaker 2: anything to do with sport. It could be the different

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Speaker 2: rules around sport, you know, if you think that we

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Speaker 2: don't have it, or it's a newish word, or we're

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Speaker 2: quite happy to record it.

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Speaker 1: Okay. I don't know if you've got crow Crow copper

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Speaker 1: lips or port copper lips, because they've they've both gone

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Speaker 1: that way down the ladder this year.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I haven't thought of those yet.

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Speaker 1: I just made them up. But off you go, you okay,

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Speaker 1: So there's got to be a whole hit. What about

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Speaker 1: local Now doesn't matter if it's local to a particular

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Speaker 1: with for instance, here in essay in the old days,

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Speaker 1: the s A NFL or sandful say are today that

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Speaker 1: But I'm trying to think of something. But there'd be

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Speaker 1: a lot of more local type things like the do

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Speaker 1: and the jezer. Perhaps that might only apply in that regard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we certainly record regionalisms and there are a lot

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Speaker 2: of examples of words that are only used in particular

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Speaker 2: states or particular regions. One that comes to mine and

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Speaker 2: old a term that might be still used in South

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Speaker 2: Australia is the word tonkey to get a lift on

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Speaker 2: a bike. Ye'd be double to get a donkey. Now

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Speaker 2: that's something that we I didn't use here in New

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Speaker 2: South Wales, a double or d. Yeah, So definitely regionalisms

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Speaker 2: are an interesting way of recording language too. It's some

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Speaker 2: of these words are not used a straight wide and

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Speaker 2: certainly different sports. I mean there's a great divide between

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Speaker 2: the Australian rules and rugby league. They used to call it,

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Speaker 2: and I think they still do the Barassi line that

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Speaker 2: comes to the two dominant codes. So that's a term

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Speaker 2: that we've recorded as well. So yeah, and some of

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Speaker 2: these are nicknames. You know, I knew it was a

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Speaker 2: kid aerial ping pong for Ossie rules and on the

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Speaker 2: other side there was mobile wrestling for rugby.

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Speaker 1: They're great, Okay, so there's a few there already. But

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Speaker 1: I suppose that said, isn't it different sports different regions

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Speaker 1: parts of Australia have got their little idiosynchronsies. What about

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Speaker 1: the matildas of late, anything come out in regards to soccer,

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Speaker 2: Well, we do record, interestingly, there's a quite a lot

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Speaker 2: and Mattilly is a shortening of Matilda, so that they've

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Speaker 2: like the Diamonds for the women's netball and hockey rus

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I did have on my list to drop

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Speaker 2: bears for the quidditch team. I'm not sure if people

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Speaker 1: Tell you the truth, Well, I don't know. Can you

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Speaker 1: All right, well, I suppose that's as close as you get.

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Speaker 1: Drop bears. You'll need you will need one that is

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Speaker 1: on the power, but it's Calm the Pair, and often

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Speaker 1: see that tweeted and used locally, so that's yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: so write that one down. You can have that one,

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Speaker 1: and there'd be others. But yeah, okay, where do people

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Speaker 2: On our website at the Australian National Dictionary Center the

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Speaker 2: A and U, there's there's quite a few contact methods

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Speaker 2: that One of the main ones is our word box

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Speaker 2: we call it, and it's just a digital form. You

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Speaker 2: click on that and you can submit your word or

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Speaker 2: your phrase and tell us what you think it means

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Speaker 2: and where you came across it if you think it's

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Speaker 2: new or it's an older one that you know, Ma

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Speaker 2: do some research on it and see if it's used

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Speaker 2: more widely.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So how long's the research take. That

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Speaker 1: must be fun to do too, Oh.

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Speaker 2: It's always, it's always great fun. Yeah, And I mean

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Speaker 2: at the moment, we've got about seventeen thousand Australian phrases

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Speaker 2: and words in the dictionary. We hope to get it online.

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Speaker 2: And every word that we have in the dictionary is

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Speaker 2: word well, we first found it. So there's one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty thousand good quotations to illustrate. So it's quite

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Speaker 2: a large tone that we hope to have it online

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Speaker 1: That'll be great, all right. And can you imagine people

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Speaker 1: having a look at some of these words and expressions

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Speaker 1: thinking what the heck? But I suppose they've got their own.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. There's there's a few that they wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Podium is a verb is first recorded in Australia, but

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Speaker 1: Janetta's texted in not on Sport, but she says, my

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Speaker 1: she was stoked. I had no idea what that meant

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Speaker 2: take mate, what do I say? Bloody? These kinds of

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Speaker 1: As well when you were talking about different regions and states.

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Speaker 1: I remember, on a very early, long time ago visit

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Speaker 1: heard the word grouse for the first time, which means

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Speaker 1: and don't hear it here in essay at all.

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Speaker 2: So that's grouse, grouse, grouse. I know grouse grouse is

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Speaker 2: grouse meaning really great, yeah or good. That's certainly an australianism,

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Speaker 2: we ask people to submit words and to you know,

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Speaker 2: to because we we're not the We were the experts

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Speaker 2: in recording them, but we're not the experts of the language.

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Speaker 2: That's everyone out there. That's the experts. They're the one

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Speaker 2: using language. So as soon as you say grout to me,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, that related to grouse.

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Speaker 1: It was grouse as you know.

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Speaker 2: It is it is. Yeah, that's but that's yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: a that's a classic OZI.

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Speaker 2: From the nineteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: Really not not so much here in essay. That's that's interesting. Well,

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Speaker 2: No, and it's it's probably gone out of favor of

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Speaker 2: it now as a strange slang. Any slang does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, bread has called in from Montree, who were

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Speaker 1: the sporting term, can I Brett?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good morning fellas. Now this is purely s NFL

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Speaker 3: He used to call it. Oh he's done a daisy cutter.

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Speaker 1: A daisy cutter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And the new one now in the lexicon is

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Speaker 3: someone who's had a bit too much. They've done a barnaby.

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Speaker 1: That's great, thank you done barnaby. We better record both

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Speaker 1: of those, I reckon Mark.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've only got daisycutter as a bomb actually really

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Speaker 2: from the Yeah, he's been the Sycamore War now, so

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Speaker 2: that's yeah. But I haven't heard the barnaby one yet.

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Speaker 2: There's a hospital pass a put a slightly different path,

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Speaker 2: I suppose, but there's quite a few passes and different

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Speaker 2: kinds of tackles. In the various football codes that we've recorded.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic, Mark, thank you for your time today and as

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Speaker 1: you say, a and you website or prehaps just google

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Speaker 1: Australian National Dictionary. That'll get you there too.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure yeah, that'll get you there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good on you, Mark, Thank you, thanks mate, fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Mark Gwinn Senior, a searcher Australian National Dictionary Center at

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Speaker 1: ANU Australian National UNI. So if you've got any sporting terms,

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Speaker 1: colloquial essay particularly or just Australian in general, or maybe

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Speaker 1: something you use in your part of adelaide or essay,

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Speaker 1: let them know and perhaps it would get included in

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Speaker 1: the dictionary. How fascinating language and how it changes