Speaker 1: Line sharing. Thanks Andrew and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: The New South Wales state government today confirmed an inquiry
Speaker 1: will be held into greyhound racing. Leah Drake, who was
Speaker 1: the inaugural Integrity Commissioner at the Law Enforcement Conduct Commission,
Speaker 1: also served on the Fair Work Commission. She's been appointed
Speaker 1: Acting Commissioner of the New South Wales Greyhound Welfare and
Speaker 1: Integrity Commission known as g WICK and she will leave
Speaker 1: this independent inquiry. Racing Minister David Harris confirmed the inquiry
Speaker 1: would look into greyhound welfare and the care of greyhounds
Speaker 1: by the governing body Greyhound Racing New South Wales, including
Speaker 1: adoption and rehoming programs, the body's processes and management including
Speaker 1: procurement and recruitment practices. It's reporting an accuracy in relation
Speaker 1: to greyhounds, and management's response to complaints or concerns about
Speaker 1: organizational and workplace culture and conduct. Mister Harris said in
Speaker 1: a statement that he was absolutely committed to ensuring a competitive,
Speaker 1: responsible and sustainable greyhound racing industry with the highest standards
Speaker 1: of animal sorry welfare and integrity. It's important that the
Speaker 1: governing bodies and senior leadership of the racing codes meet
Speaker 1: these standards. I take these various concerns about greyhound racing
Speaker 1: New South Wales very seriously and this inquiry, using the
Speaker 1: full investigative powers of g WICK, will conduct a thorough
Speaker 1: and wide ranging review of all relevant issues. He also
Speaker 1: had this to say at a press conference.
Speaker 3: What we need to do is let the inquiry look
Speaker 3: into these issues and give recommendations back to the government
Speaker 3: about how we can change the license conditions if necessary,
Speaker 3: or implement improvements to ensure that we have best practice.
Speaker 1: No doubt many in the industry will be tonight worried
Speaker 1: depending on the results of this inquiry that a ban
Speaker 1: could well be back on the cards now. As I
Speaker 1: said last night, the trigger for this is a letter
Speaker 1: from the Greyhound Racing New South Wales former chief Vet,
Speaker 1: which was sent to the governing body in June, claiming
Speaker 1: that rehoming rates had been inflated, dogs were racing too much,
Speaker 1: causing too many injuries, and that they were left to
Speaker 1: live out their miserable post racing lives in industrial kennels
Speaker 1: quote unquote. Some of the allegations, including those relating to
Speaker 1: veterinary care, warranted further investigation. According to a response by
Speaker 1: g Wick that was tabled in state parliament this week,
Speaker 1: but it also dismissed others as wrong, including that hundreds
Speaker 1: of dog deaths had been hidden. The chief executive of
Speaker 1: Greyhound Racing New South Wales also resigned this week. Now,
Speaker 1: while this investigation may focus on the governing body rather itself,
Speaker 1: rather than the entire industry, here's what David Harris said
Speaker 1: were in the terms of reference.
Speaker 4: The accuracy and reporting by Greyhound Racing New South Wales
Speaker 4: in relation to Gris greyhounds and whether that reporting represents
Speaker 4: the true state of the greyhound racing industry, including the
Speaker 4: welfare of greyhounds and the state of related programs under
Speaker 4: Greyhound Racing New South Wales Control Awareness and Oversight.
Speaker 1: That's despite Gwick already dismissing concerns about things like death
Speaker 1: numbers being wrong. And of course, if the investigation were
Speaker 1: to find that the governing body had covered things up,
Speaker 1: that would tend to suggest problems in the industry at
Speaker 1: large that needed covering up, which may well open the
Speaker 1: door to trouble for the entire industry and not just
Speaker 1: the governing body, and any sort of problems within the
Speaker 1: post racing rehoming program could also be a trigger for
Speaker 1: activists to pursue another ban. Whatever the inquiry uncovers, animal
Speaker 1: activists will use what are most likely rare cases to
Speaker 1: push for a ban on greyhound racing. And in a
Speaker 1: six sort of way, these people actually want bad things
Speaker 1: to happen. They can help bolster their argument. The industry
Speaker 1: that I know has little to worry about in an inquiry,
Speaker 1: and anyone who does not take their responsibility towards their
Speaker 1: animals seriously deserves to be named and shamed. Any kind
Speaker 1: of mismanagement or misbehavior deserves to be exposed for the
Speaker 1: good of the sport and the welfare of the animals.
Speaker 1: But you'd be foolish to think that activists with an
Speaker 1: axe to grind will not try to hijack this inquiry.
Speaker 1: The Greens have a policy of banning all racing.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: If this inquiry uncovers any mistreatment or shoddy practices among
Speaker 1: a few bad apples, the Greens and their milk will
Speaker 1: almost certainly use it to push for a ban. These
Speaker 1: activists peddle the lie that horses and dogs are just
Speaker 1: disposable machines for the profit of owners. But I can
Speaker 1: assure you, as someone who owns both that I generally
Speaker 1: spend much more than I make in prize money because
Speaker 1: I love the sport and these marvelous athletic animals. As
Speaker 1: to all the participants, I know they get into racing
Speaker 1: because they love the sport and they love the animals. Now, yes,
Speaker 1: there will always be bad apples, but there are bad
Speaker 1: apples everywhere. You cannot, on the basis of their behavior,
Speaker 1: besmirch an entire industry. That's what the activists will try
Speaker 1: to do. Though New South Wales Premier Chris Mins yesterday
Speaker 1: said that he would not ban greyhound racing and whatever
Speaker 1: the results of this inquiry, he has to stick to
Speaker 1: his guns. The one insurance policy against a ban is
Speaker 1: that Mens isn't stupid and he'd well know, especially after
Speaker 1: watching what happened to make Baird when he tried to
Speaker 1: ban greyhound racing sorry in twenty sixteen, that a ban
Speaker 1: would be electoral poison for labor in the regions. But
Speaker 1: the noise will be loud and the activists will fight hard. Now,
Speaker 1: like many involved in racing, I welcome an inquiry, but
Speaker 1: we must be careful that it is used to improve
Speaker 1: the industry and not turned into a witch hunt. As
Speaker 1: I said last night, greyhound racing mightn't be as popular
Speaker 1: as horse racing, but that makes it an easy target
Speaker 1: for activists and an easy sacrificial lamb for governments that
Speaker 1: want to shut them up. Sacrificing the dogs would open
Speaker 1: a much, much bigger problem. Now, while we're on animals
Speaker 1: and activists, I have to tell you the curious story
Speaker 1: of Yarra Council in Melbourne, which probably would have to
Speaker 1: be one of the worker's councils anywhere in the world
Speaker 1: I reckon now. The council is this week unanimously voted
Speaker 1: for a climate emergency plan that said we need to
Speaker 1: decolonize the landscape and outdoor spaces by using traditional Aboriginal
Speaker 1: land management practices, which would apparently bring the area back
Speaker 1: from quote unquote the precipice of climate and ecological collapse.
Speaker 1: The plan says this means prioritizing climate resilient indigenous and
Speaker 1: native vegetation, including trees, grasses, and groundcovers, which will provide
Speaker 1: suitable habitat for our native wildlife while minimizing resource intensive
Speaker 1: maintenance practices. Simultaneously, decolonizing our outdoor spaces means ensuring that
Speaker 1: the knowledge and practices of the Warujuri woi Warang are
Speaker 1: embedded into land management. There you go, climate change solved
Speaker 1: by Yarra Council. It also said that residents should act
Speaker 1: on the climate emergency using public transport or walking or
Speaker 1: riding a bike, consuming resources consciously whatever that means, and
Speaker 1: move their banking and superannuation away from companies that invest
Speaker 1: in fossil fuels. But here's the real silver bullet. The
Speaker 1: council recommended that residents adopt a vegetarian diet. Yes, your
Speaker 1: council is telling you what you should and shouldn't eat.
Speaker 1: And you'd expect then that Yarra Council had been leading
Speaker 1: by example that they were all veo. So have a
Speaker 1: guess what was served up to councilors and executive staff
Speaker 1: before their meeting this week. Kinwa salad, perhaps maybe a
Speaker 1: little mushroom risotto will No, it was roast beef. They
Speaker 1: knocked down on roast beef and then walked into the
Speaker 1: chamber to tell residents that they should be eating venjo
Speaker 1: to save the planet. One rule for thee another for me. Now,
Speaker 1: they've generally offered beef, lamb or chicken dishes before their
Speaker 1: meetings apparently so. Of course, the Herald's son asked the
Speaker 1: council about this, and lo and behold, they came back
Speaker 1: this afternoon and said that meat will be off the
Speaker 1: menu from now on and councilors and staff will be
Speaker 1: subjected to plant based meals. Only one wonders whether if
Speaker 1: the Herald son hadn't asked that question, whether that would
Speaker 1: have ever happened, they would have just kept eating the
Speaker 1: beef and the chicken and the lamb. But I also
Speaker 1: wonder how many people will actually rock up to these
Speaker 1: pre meeting dinners from now on. Also tonight, as the
Speaker 1: Prime Minister insists that gas projects are the key to
Speaker 1: our transition to net zero, Labour's own energy consultation paper
Speaker 1: has rejected the gas industry. Plus the ghost of Prime
Speaker 1: Minister's past Malcolm Turbul, he resorts back to haunting his
Speaker 1: former Liberal rivals, and one of them has hit back,
Speaker 1: and the Hollywood star slash mega Democrat funder who's turning
Speaker 1: his back on Joe Biden like so many of them. Well,
Speaker 1: the rise of the Muslim vote in the UK election
Speaker 1: last week has stirred speculation that this will drip feed
Speaker 1: into our elections here in Australia. On the first of July,
Speaker 1: this group called the Muslim Vote was established, and it's
Speaker 1: a group that, according to their website, is a movement
Speaker 1: that is alone capable of forcing the current government into
Speaker 1: minority government. Well, the Daily Telegraph exclusively revealed today that
Speaker 1: a man named Mohammad Khanan is the sole director of
Speaker 1: this group, a man who said he had no previous
Speaker 1: experience in politics or political campaigns for that matter. Joining
Speaker 1: me now to discuss his commentator Jason Morrison and the
Speaker 1: Daily Telegraphs Federal Report political reporter, Sorry Angira barhard Waj Jason,
Speaker 1: I cannot believe that we have a situation here, of
Speaker 1: course where and you've got this group funded by someone
Speaker 1: who's never had an interest in politics before, sprung up
Speaker 1: out of nowhere. They've worked out that maybe they've got
Speaker 1: a bit of sway, now.
Speaker 2: Bit of sway.
Speaker 5: Look, they're a lobby group for the moment, but when
Speaker 5: they become a political party, I'm looking forward to Labor
Speaker 5: and the Coalition treating them like they've treated one nation forever,
Speaker 5: because you've still got you Dimwitz and the Coalition that
Speaker 5: want to put one nation last. Because it's such an
Speaker 5: abhorrent political movement we can't deal with it.
Speaker 2: So you're going to deal with a.
Speaker 5: Mob, are you, Labor Party Greens that represents, at its
Speaker 5: most radical fringe, some of the most atrocious and disgusting
Speaker 5: things that it is abc use with the Australian culture.
Speaker 5: That's not to say all Muslim culture is, but there's
Speaker 5: a fraction of it that is. And I find it
Speaker 5: staggering that this is being treated as, oh, well, it's
Speaker 5: just another group out there. They will not be representing
Speaker 5: the moderate view. They will be representing the extremist view.
Speaker 5: And if the view of one nation is it's always
Speaker 5: been about extremists and things like that, then treat this
Speaker 5: mob the same and watch them have absolutely no political
Speaker 5: influence in Australia.
Speaker 6: But they won't.
Speaker 5: Labor will trade with them, the Greens will endorse them
Speaker 5: and back them and be partners with them, and you'll
Speaker 5: have this sort of bizarre situation emerging, as you have
Speaker 5: seen in the UK at the moment, where you actually
Speaker 5: do have a thorough block of people who vote a
Speaker 5: particular way based on religious and ethnic lines, and that's
Speaker 5: not a good thing in this country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course it may not all of them
Speaker 1: may represent an extremist view and gear, but you know
Speaker 1: you've got a significant block here that says they're going
Speaker 1: to give it a serious go. How much of a
Speaker 1: threat do you think is that it is really to
Speaker 1: Labor seats in Western Sydney.
Speaker 7: Look, Caleb, I think a lot of this depends on
Speaker 7: the timing of the election and also what happens in
Speaker 7: Gaza between now and a potential election. There have been
Speaker 7: suggestions we might have an election as early as later
Speaker 7: this year, so that would really change things because, as
Speaker 7: it's clear the story in the Telegraph today, this movement
Speaker 7: is really in its infancy. We have not seen it
Speaker 7: get anywhere near as organized as it was in the UK,
Speaker 7: so I think it's a bit of a case of
Speaker 7: time will tell in terms of danger in a lot
Speaker 7: of those Western Sydney seats. Labor sources have admitted to
Speaker 7: me that Tony Burke's seat of Watson is one that
Speaker 7: could be at risk. It does have a very high
Speaker 7: Muslim population and people are there quite frustrated with Labour's response.
Speaker 7: But we do have a preference system that doesn't really
Speaker 7: allow these movements to have the same impact as they
Speaker 7: did in the UK.
Speaker 1: Now and Gira. We talked about this on the show
Speaker 1: last night, but you revealed yesterday the Daily Telegraph that
Speaker 1: in the month of May this year you had more
Speaker 1: than two thousand, three hundred asylum seekers that flew into
Speaker 1: Australia and that's the most popular way for quote unquote
Speaker 1: asylum seekers to get into the country. Now, that was
Speaker 1: the highest month since Albanizi took office two years ago.
Speaker 1: Is the government concerned about the levels at which they're
Speaker 1: coming in, particularly given that I think it's eleven people
Speaker 1: of the eighty odd thousand that have flown into this
Speaker 1: country have actually left.
Speaker 7: Look, if they're not concerned, they really should be, because
Speaker 7: this is an area where the Coalition has traditionally been
Speaker 7: quite strong, and with an election coming up, it will
Speaker 7: be an area that the Coalition and voters will be
Speaker 7: watching closely. Now with two active wars around the world
Speaker 7: right now, we can't really afford to have dodgy asylum
Speaker 7: seekers trying to get into the country when we also
Speaker 7: have people coming by boat. We did have a report
Speaker 7: today about people from coming by Indonesia and having boats
Speaker 7: turned away. So I would like to say, and I
Speaker 7: would hope that The Labor government is.
Speaker 1: Concerned about this.
Speaker 7: They have put one hundred and sixty million dollars into
Speaker 7: new programs to try and tackle this. But with the
Speaker 7: numbers that we've been reporting in the Telegraph for a
Speaker 7: little while and then again the month of May, it
Speaker 7: doesn't seem like it's having an impact just yet. And
Speaker 7: we've had twenty three hundred people come in May. That's
Speaker 7: not that far off from the highest on record, which
Speaker 7: was back in twenty eighteen, which was twenty eight hundred.
Speaker 7: So we're really heading into that direction where we could
Speaker 7: be breaking an all time record.
Speaker 1: And why wouldn't you give it a go, Jason, Why
Speaker 1: not give it a go. They get in and no
Speaker 1: one seems to get rid of them.
Speaker 5: There's a good track record, particularly with the mob running
Speaker 5: the country at the moment, given that the Immigration Minister
Speaker 5: used to be an activist lawyer acting for this corner
Speaker 5: of migrant in Australia. And I think this is the
Speaker 5: problem with this issue in the minds of a lot
Speaker 5: of Australians. They look at the grand total immigration intake
Speaker 5: and even though you could argue from a policy perspective,
Speaker 5: you shouldn't, a lot of Aussies are really frustrated with
Speaker 5: what's going on in the country about how difficult life
Speaker 5: is for them at the moment, a sense that their
Speaker 5: government is not there for them at the second, and
Speaker 5: to sort of see a little special treatment for a
Speaker 5: little group here, you know, record immigration over here, and
Speaker 5: you put all the things together and they become clouded
Speaker 5: issues in the minds of a lot of people. And
Speaker 5: I feel like saying, you know, this is a country.
Speaker 5: I pay my way here and I get real nothing back.
Speaker 5: And there is that undertone that is there. This is
Speaker 5: going to be a big political issue for Labor, and
Speaker 5: I think their reaction to that Telegraph story tells you plenty.
Speaker 5: They don't want to talk about it because they know
Speaker 5: it's best not spoken about. Whereas once by a time,
Speaker 5: Labor used to be the party that would say, yes,
Speaker 5: that's us, we let these people in here, damn good
Speaker 5: are we. They're not saying that now because they know
Speaker 5: that Australians at the second are really pissed off with
Speaker 5: their government and their attitudes to immigration broadly speaking, and.
Speaker 1: They saw what happened last time, of course, when they
Speaker 1: had an almost open border policy when it came to
Speaker 1: both people in particular and it didn't end well for them.
Speaker 1: Now let's go to my favorite state of Victoria. Favorite
Speaker 1: being a bit of an exaggeration, but their economy has
Speaker 1: been absolutely destroyed, of course by successive leaders. Daniel Andrews
Speaker 1: plunge the joint the economy into enormous step following COVID,
Speaker 1: and they cannot get out of that. I mean, you
Speaker 1: look at the taxes that they're levying down there or
Speaker 1: not income tax. That's the I wish we Actually this
Speaker 1: is a different point. We should be able to give
Speaker 1: income tax back to the states, but we'll get into
Speaker 1: that discussion another day. Lamb tax is what I was
Speaker 1: going for. But just inter Allen, Now, hundreds of government
Speaker 1: infrastructure projects not totally unusual, but the blowouts on hundreds
Speaker 1: of projects are going to go into millions and millions
Speaker 1: of dollars over budget. Now, as I say, Angira, look,
Speaker 1: you kind of expect that of government projects, but for
Speaker 1: a state that is so strapped for cash right now,
Speaker 1: the only person they can get it out of is
Speaker 1: the taxpayer. And if you're a Victorian taxpayer right now,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, get me out of here.
Speaker 8: Absolutely.
Speaker 7: I mean, this is not the first time we've seen
Speaker 7: cost blowouts with the Victorian government. We do know that
Speaker 7: state premiers like Chris Minz and Jacinta Allen have been
Speaker 7: lobbying CANBRA for more money for some of these infrastructure projects.
Speaker 7: I feel like a lot of these issues are not
Speaker 7: going to go away anytime soon. I mean, the constraints
Speaker 7: that we've seen in the construction industry are not going
Speaker 7: to go away anytime soon. So Victoria's really going to
Speaker 7: have to figure out a way to get their economy
Speaker 7: in shape because these projects aren't going to pay for
Speaker 7: themselves and there's only so much they can get out
Speaker 7: of the Commonwealth.
Speaker 1: Well, the most indebted jurisdiction in the country, and I
Speaker 1: think Berg Capita they're actually one of the most indebted
Speaker 1: in the world. I mean, that sort of tells you
Speaker 1: where things are, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: An unexpected article in The New York Times today, Hollywood
Speaker 1: star George Clooney has weighed in on the electoral shambles
Speaker 1: in the US sorry he's urged President Biden to withdraw.
Speaker 1: He wrote, the Joe Biden I was with three weeks
Speaker 1: ago at a fundraiser was not the Joe big effing
Speaker 1: deal Biden of twenty ten He wasn't even the Joe
Speaker 1: Biden of twenty twenty. He was the same man we
Speaker 1: all witnessed at the debate. We are not going to
Speaker 1: win in November with this president. This isn't only my opinion.
Speaker 2: This is the.
Speaker 1: Opinion of every Senator and congress member and governor who
Speaker 1: I have spoken with in private, every single one, irrespective
Speaker 1: of what he or she is saying publicly. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's lost all his friends in the world. I've done now,
Speaker 1: the clooney factions.
Speaker 2: Moved on him. He's done.
Speaker 1: It's a matter of time.
Speaker 2: Really. I mean, when you.
Speaker 5: Start losing the celebrities that bring you the doshi in
Speaker 5: because their presence and their endorsement means a lot to
Speaker 5: the imbeciles who think that celebrities matter in the United States,
Speaker 5: it's finished. And when I see that, I mean, if
Speaker 5: those quotes are accurate, or the paraphrasing of them is
Speaker 5: even slightly close to the.
Speaker 8: Truth, that is damning.
Speaker 5: Because he's been up the shirt with Biden for so long,
Speaker 5: he has been so in the camp, and for him
Speaker 5: to sort of be wavering is devastating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, most definitely, Angira. It's hard to see from
Speaker 1: here with so many people within the party, his mates,
Speaker 1: his donors, saying sorry, mister Biden, you're not up for
Speaker 1: the job. For him to still be there in November
Speaker 1: would be the most damaging thing he could do for
Speaker 1: his own party, the Democrats.
Speaker 7: I completely agree, it would be the most damaging thing
Speaker 7: he can do for the Democrats and also for his
Speaker 7: own political legacy. I mean, when you've got people, like
Speaker 7: Jason said, some of your biggest backers starting to say
Speaker 7: it's time to go. We really hope that the people
Speaker 7: around him, his family and his friends are advising him
Speaker 7: to listen. The Democrats have relied on celebrities in the
Speaker 7: past for their campaign, and to have someone like George
Speaker 7: Clooney put it in such simple and such blunt terms
Speaker 7: really should be sending alarm bells.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it is. Well, not that he's listening to them,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure it's sending a live mappey to someone.
Speaker 2: I hope he doesn't listen to them.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be magnificent? It will be magnificent A way
Speaker 1: to watch the way it all unfolds. Jason Morrison and
Speaker 1: Yira Baradwaj, thank you so much for joining me tonight.
Speaker 1: Well as I'm sure you know. World leaders are in
Speaker 1: Washington for NATO's seventy fifth annual Summit, and Ukraine is
Speaker 1: one of the biggest topics being discussed. Joe Biden announced
Speaker 1: that NATO would be committing five new strategic air defense
Speaker 1: systems to Ukraine, and they've now brought China into the mix,
Speaker 1: labeling it a decisive enabler of Russia's war against Ukraine.
Speaker 1: NATO's Secretary General John Stoltenberg said that the message sent
Speaker 1: from NATO from this summit is very strong and very clear,
Speaker 1: and we are clearly defining China's responsibility when it comes
Speaker 1: to enabling Russia's war. NATO leaders urged China to cease
Speaker 1: all material and political support to Russia's war. Joining me
Speaker 1: now is Liberal MP Andrew Wallace, Andrew, thank you for
Speaker 1: joining me. Look, something tells me that China ain't going
Speaker 1: to take too much notice of what NATO tells them.
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, look, Caleb, thanks for having me on
Speaker 8: the show.
Speaker 9: But it's incredibly important that the world leaders, like leaders
Speaker 9: from NATO, are pressing the case against China's involvement in
Speaker 9: the Ukraine war. Now it is very clear that China
Speaker 9: is acting as a decisive enabler in providing assistance to Ukraine,
Speaker 9: both in military support and in also in their supply
Speaker 9: chains for re ements. So that's a real concern and
Speaker 9: it's something that NATO is very very clearly pushing back
Speaker 9: on today.
Speaker 1: Well they should be, but I suppose the question is
Speaker 1: how much can you expect any of this to change.
Speaker 1: China and Russia have been soling up to each other
Speaker 1: for a long time, and as much as we or
Speaker 1: the more that we rightly push back against Russia, it
Speaker 1: only sort of tends to embolden the two countries. I mean,
Speaker 1: you tell China or Russia what to do, they tend
Speaker 1: to do the exact opposite. That's not to say that
Speaker 1: we shouldn't be speaking out, but it feels a bit
Speaker 1: like you're whistling in the wind sometimes.
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, it's very important that Western countries are
Speaker 9: defending the rules based order. We know that the United Kingdom,
Speaker 9: European countries, and of course the United States are providing
Speaker 9: material support to Ukraine, whilst the Australian government's support of
Speaker 9: Ukraine has to be said, has been utterly disappointing since
Speaker 9: Labor came to power. Now when the Coalision was in government,
Speaker 9: we were the largest non NATO contributor to the Ukraine
Speaker 9: War offort. And since then the Australian government has dropped
Speaker 9: right down that ladder board in their support. You know, effectively,
Speaker 9: what we've been doing since the change of government is,
Speaker 9: you know, Richard Marles has been going out the back
Speaker 9: into the back garage and seeing what sort of surplus
Speaker 9: stock the ADF has got and then offering it to Ukraine.
Speaker 8: It's really been utterly pathetic.
Speaker 9: As pathetic as it has been in relation to pushing
Speaker 9: back against the Hooties and the Red Sea, where we
Speaker 9: haven't even sent a ship.
Speaker 8: All we did was send six ADF officers.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know why we didn't send a ship
Speaker 1: to the Red Seeds because we don't have one to
Speaker 1: send basically, which is an indust.
Speaker 2: We do.
Speaker 6: We just chose not to.
Speaker 9: It's not a matter of us not having a surface
Speaker 9: ship to be able to send. The decision was made
Speaker 9: not to send one. And that's perhaps even more telling.
Speaker 1: Why do you believe that Labor has reduced its support
Speaker 1: for Ukraine.
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, look, that's a question that you'd probably
Speaker 9: be best to ask the Prime Minister. It absolutely beggars
Speaker 9: belief why Anthony Albanizi has not demonstrated greater support for Ukraine.
Speaker 9: You know, we've seen absolute utter weakness from this Prime
Speaker 9: ministry in relation.
Speaker 8: To the war in the Middle East, in the.
Speaker 9: Support for Israel as a result of what happened on
Speaker 9: October seven. But what's happening also, you know, the world's
Speaker 9: attention has been drawn into the Middle East, and I
Speaker 9: understand that, but we can't forget what's happening in Europe.
Speaker 9: It's the first land based war in Europe since the Balkans,
Speaker 9: and certainly one of the most serious since the end
Speaker 9: of World War Two. So you know, we've got a
Speaker 9: wark in chew Gum here. At the same time, we
Speaker 9: have a very very serious conflict in Europe, we have
Speaker 9: a an emerging greater conflict in the Middle East, particularly
Speaker 9: in the north of Israel and Lebanon, and of course
Speaker 9: the tensions are continuing to rise in the South China
Speaker 9: Sea and in and around Taiwan. We've seen once again
Speaker 9: People's Liberation Army Air Force taking.
Speaker 8: Belligerent action in the Taiwan and he's straight just very recently.
Speaker 1: Indeed, Andrew Wallace, thank you for your time well coming up.
Speaker 1: Economists are at odds over the RBA's next move. Plus
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton responds to Malcolm Turnbull labeling him a thug.
Speaker 1: All of that after the break, Welcome back Caleb Bond
Speaker 1: in for Shari this week. Well, we're fewer than four
Speaker 1: weeks away from the Reserve banks next rates announcement. Of
Speaker 1: course people are hanging on for that. The federal Government's
Speaker 1: definitely hanging on for it. But economists are at odds
Speaker 1: over whether the RBA should increase the cash rate, and
Speaker 1: given Australia is the only G ten nation or inflation
Speaker 1: has increased since December, one view further interest rate hikes
Speaker 1: is a real possibility. Joining me now to discuss is
Speaker 1: Judo Bank's chief economic advisor, Warren Hogan warrant. Which side
Speaker 1: of the fence do you fall on? We need it
Speaker 1: or we don't need it? And then after that, will
Speaker 1: we get it or won't we get it?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 10: I think we do need it because the risk here
Speaker 10: is that we let inflation get away from us. So
Speaker 10: we do not want to get into a situation in
Speaker 10: the next couple of years like we did in the
Speaker 10: late eighties where we're chasing it and rates have to
Speaker 10: go up a lot. We know where that ends, and
Speaker 10: that is in a genuine bad recession. So it's all
Speaker 10: about insurance. And the reality is, although we have seen
Speaker 10: a lot of increases in interest rates four hundred and
Speaker 10: twenty five basis points, the real interest rate interest rate
Speaker 10: minus inflation is only just above zero. You know, we've
Speaker 10: only just got that cash rate above the inflation rate,
Speaker 10: and history shows that not only is that level probably
Speaker 10: inflationary in itself, it certainly doesn't get rid of inflation.
Speaker 10: So we're running a lot of risk, and the result
Speaker 10: Bank knows it. But they were hoping that that big
Speaker 10: lift in the cash right would have such a big
Speaker 10: effect on all these variable mortgage rates and really hurt
Speaker 10: the economy that they would get the job done. But
Speaker 10: now we're two years down the track. The economy is
Speaker 10: a lot softer, the consumers a lot softer, but the
Speaker 10: economy is actually holding up pretty well. So we've got
Speaker 10: to address that risk. In my view, I think it's
Speaker 10: just too much risk to bear because one thing we've
Speaker 10: got to avoid it all costs is that interest rate
Speaker 10: going up towards six percent, because we're not going to
Speaker 10: get anyhere any of the seventeen percent of the late
Speaker 10: eighty yeh. But we've got to not let that thing
Speaker 10: get away from us because that will be really disruptive.
Speaker 1: How do you actually sell that message to homeowners and
Speaker 1: investors though, because I mean, you know a lot of
Speaker 1: people are really feeling the pinch right now, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you need another interest rate rise and potentially another one
Speaker 1: after that. People don't want to swallow it, and the
Speaker 1: federal government's crossing all of its appendages that doesn't happen.
Speaker 10: So the federal government, I think the problem has been
Speaker 10: that they, like many people, have underestimated the strength of
Speaker 10: the economy and.
Speaker 6: The severity of the inflation.
Speaker 10: So if they don't know on this two years ago,
Speaker 10: they might have had different tactics and strategies, particularly this
Speaker 10: fiscal stimulus that we've seen this year. In terms of
Speaker 10: the broader community that.
Speaker 6: We can't get away from it. I mean, always low.
Speaker 10: Income earners or first time buyers to get hit when
Speaker 10: rates go up, But we've got a new cohort, which
Speaker 10: is people who actually have pretty good incomes, probably two
Speaker 10: of them, but they've got massive mortgages and they took
Speaker 10: those out when rates were low, and we thought, on
Speaker 10: guidance from the RBA, that they'd stay low. And they're
Speaker 10: the ones, I think, who are the new sort of
Speaker 10: part of this that are really screaming blue murder because
Speaker 10: they're up for thousands a month. So the reality is
Speaker 10: we cannot set our monetary policy for a few people,
Speaker 10: and whenever we take them all weage do any financial obligation.
Speaker 10: We've got to sort of understand the risk.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 10: Sure, no one could have seen the biggest inflation in
Speaker 10: fifty years after the lowest interest rates.
Speaker 6: Ever, but that's a reality we have to bear.
Speaker 10: And if we try and shirk that and get away
Speaker 10: from that, then we're going to just create a bigger
Speaker 10: problem for the whole place.
Speaker 1: What's the risk of recession do you think? I mean,
Speaker 1: when you look at the numbers, it's hard to come
Speaker 1: to the conclusion that if it weren't for high levels
Speaker 1: of migration, we would effectively be in recession. We are
Speaker 1: effectively in recession. We're just propping the numbers up to
Speaker 1: make the economy look better.
Speaker 10: Yeah, well it's not propping it up, but it is
Speaker 10: exactly right. I mean, it's real, it's out there, the
Speaker 10: people are here, it's causing housing shortages and all sorts
Speaker 10: of things.
Speaker 6: So I mean, the reality is the idea.
Speaker 10: Of recession being two quarters of negative GDP is very
Speaker 10: likely because we're at capacity. We can't actually grow that much.
Speaker 10: We've got super low unemployment. But a technical recession isn't
Speaker 10: there to be fit. I mean, America had a technical
Speaker 10: recession eight eight months ago, but it was never recorded
Speaker 10: as a recession because they're more sophisticated in the way.
Speaker 6: They think about it.
Speaker 10: So politically it's a nightmare because those two quarters will
Speaker 10: still register on the front pages. But what we really
Speaker 10: need to be worried about, as I said, is the
Speaker 10: bad recession. And I think the two rate hikes that
Speaker 10: I'm forecasting is all about keeping us on a sustainable
Speaker 10: path and avoiding that bad recession. And the problem or
Speaker 10: the fear I have is we sort of get scared
Speaker 10: of a little recession or a technical recession, but we
Speaker 10: create the situation we get a bad one. So look,
Speaker 10: is we're going to get a technical I think there's
Speaker 10: a it's fifty to fifty in the next twelve months.
Speaker 10: But are we going to get a bad recession? I
Speaker 10: don't think we are, because we do have the population,
Speaker 10: we're actually a pretty solid economy and as long as
Speaker 10: we don't let this inflation get away from us, and
Speaker 10: I think we can avoid that.
Speaker 1: I think the other thing, of course, on people's income
Speaker 1: their minds at the moment is income right, And it's
Speaker 1: an interesting study by the Productivity Commission out now that's
Speaker 1: showing that Australians have had an easier time moving up
Speaker 1: the income ladder than people in the US and France
Speaker 1: and the UK, et cetera. What's the go there.
Speaker 10: So this is a great report. I haven't read it
Speaker 10: in detail, confairso we'll try to that. They do great work,
Speaker 10: and this looks like a piece of good work, and
Speaker 10: it's all about what this country is. We try to
Speaker 10: get away from that British class system and give people mobility,
Speaker 10: and we largely did that in the last hundred years.
Speaker 10: And this is showing that that over the last fifty years,
Speaker 10: each generation can not only improve on their parents, but
Speaker 10: also if you come from low income, there's a chance
Speaker 10: you can get out of it, and so on and
Speaker 10: so forth. But the warning sign here is that more
Speaker 10: recently that's not showing up as much. And of course
Speaker 10: we all know, right now there's a massive intergenerational issue
Speaker 10: and it's actually not about income. It's about the balance
Speaker 10: between income and assets on residential property housing. So I
Speaker 10: think this is a really important topic.
Speaker 6: And we've got to think about it broadly. But it's
Speaker 6: a real stress point.
Speaker 10: The system will sort itself out, but we're already seeing,
Speaker 10: you know, typically how do you deal with any generation.
Speaker 10: It's the point of death, I inheritance, but we're looking
Speaker 10: at it happening earlier, banker, mum and dad, all sorts
Speaker 10: of things.
Speaker 6: So it's a.
Speaker 10: Really important social and economic issue because there's a huge
Speaker 10: amount of our wealth sitting with people over sixty years old, correct,
Speaker 10: And there's a lot of people over sixty years old.
Speaker 1: Now and more of them coming along as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Larren Hogan, thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 6: Thank you well.
Speaker 1: Coming up, the senior labor in p's calling out their
Speaker 1: own for lashing the coalition's nuclear plan, but the Work
Speaker 1: Council encouraging his residents to become vegetarians. I told you
Speaker 1: about it before. We'll get into it a little further
Speaker 1: all after the break, Ah, dearie me. He's the ghost
Speaker 1: of Prime Minister's past almost six years after he left office,
Speaker 1: Malcolm turnb but of course still harping on about his
Speaker 1: political enemies, sledging as we saw earlier this week his
Speaker 1: former Liberal rivals.
Speaker 11: What sort of prime minister will Peter Dutton make.
Speaker 1: If he wins?
Speaker 5: I think that's something we should contemplate with dread.
Speaker 2: Really, Folly's a thug.
Speaker 1: You can just feel the venom that he's spitting, can't you. Well.
Speaker 1: Speaking to Radio Today, Peter Dutton gracefully brushed off the comment,
Speaker 1: saying that the former Prime minister was only diminishing his
Speaker 1: own legacy.
Speaker 8: I just think people can see through it and I
Speaker 8: wish him the best. I think he diminishes himself by
Speaker 8: making his comments. Malcolm, he's got an act to grind.
Speaker 8: I think it's sad joining.
Speaker 1: Me now our National Senator Matt Kennavan and Scarne News
Speaker 1: contributor Gary Hardgrave. Matt, why is Malcolm still in the party.
Speaker 12: Well, look, it's a matter for the news of Osibral party.
Speaker 12: I think through Malcolm's actions it's almost like he wants
Speaker 12: them to kick him out, and so maybe it's best
Speaker 12: not to give him what he wants right now. Look,
Speaker 12: I don't think it matters all that much. I don't
Speaker 12: think the views of Malcolm Turnbull about the colleagues that
Speaker 12: he has a lot of bitterness about changes anyone's votes
Speaker 12: or thoughts about Australian politics. It is I think Peter
Speaker 12: Dutton summed it up very correctly. It is all just
Speaker 12: a little sad and perhaps just a lesson for the
Speaker 12: rest of us how not to get consumed by bitterness
Speaker 12: in life. And I'm sure all of us have had
Speaker 12: things done wrong to us over time. And the best
Speaker 12: lesson when you compare people like Malcolm chewed up by
Speaker 12: business and others that get over it. The best lisson
Speaker 12: is to get over it, learn to forgive and get
Speaker 12: on with your life.
Speaker 1: And of course the funniest thing Gary is that two
Speaker 1: was Turnbull himself who once described Tony Ebbitt and Kevin
Speaker 1: radd as miserable ghosts. I mean he embodies the term.
Speaker 11: Well, I guess so, but look I declare I'm fully
Speaker 11: on team Dutton.
Speaker 2: Dutton.
Speaker 11: Peter Dutton is a proper Mensian liberal. He believes in
Speaker 11: having a full range of people there. But you know,
Speaker 11: the right to speak out often comes with the responsibility
Speaker 11: of taking actions for it. I remember when Malcolm came
Speaker 11: into the party room for the very first time in
Speaker 11: twenty oh four. He got up in the party room
Speaker 11: and said, I don't need a government provided car, a
Speaker 11: parliamentary provided car, because I have nine cars. So can
Speaker 11: we have taxi vouchers instead? So he cashed in his
Speaker 11: electric car for taxi vouchers. Now, I think this is
Speaker 11: a story not often told. I've breached the sanctity of
Speaker 11: the Liberal Party Federal Parliamentary room.
Speaker 2: But nevertheless, that's what he.
Speaker 11: Said, and that left the last thing impression on me.
Speaker 11: And I don't think Malcolm's left the lasting impression. That's
Speaker 11: positive with many other people. But anyway, good luck there.
Speaker 11: I'm with Matt. Can I have you a bitiness, Malcolm
Speaker 11: and enjoy your investments and get on with life?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, nine cars aren't that much used to
Speaker 1: you when you've been on the sauce? Are they? But
Speaker 1: cap judges, though they're very good after a long lunch. Now,
Speaker 1: we saw the reaction of some labor MPs after, of course,
Speaker 1: some Dutton unveiled his nuclear policy, all these three eyed koalas,
Speaker 1: all this this weird sort of stuff. And there are
Speaker 1: some senior labor MP's that are doing what they can
Speaker 1: to keep their party from going astray. They've been urging
Speaker 1: their colleagues to keep the focus on the cost of
Speaker 1: living and not get caught up in these silly scare campaigns,
Speaker 1: all these memes that we saw as a few of
Speaker 1: them on the screen. There now Graham Perrot and he
Speaker 1: hit back. He said, it's not something to joke about,
Speaker 1: because I think you can't be serious about cost of
Speaker 1: living if you're joking about nuclear power. Power is a
Speaker 1: serious issue for people. Another MP Labor in p said,
Speaker 1: I'm not one of those who's running the scare campaign
Speaker 1: against it. I'm not doing any of the silly Facebook
Speaker 1: stuff or anything like that. It's a matter of respect.
Speaker 1: People want to have a sensible discussion about it. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that's quite right, Matt. But many of course
Speaker 1: in the opposition just leaped to the opportunity to make
Speaker 1: fun of it all. There's no better way, I think,
Speaker 1: to actually convince people that nuclear energy is good than
Speaker 1: to keep running the three yard Koala line. Clearly some
Speaker 1: people in the Labor Party understand that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Look, I mean, I'm I like to have a laugh
Speaker 12: and I think life's too short not to laugh. So
Speaker 12: I'm not against some sort of humor. I kind of
Speaker 12: love memes online that they're very funny sometimes, But that's
Speaker 12: my problem with these ones.
Speaker 2: They're not funny.
Speaker 12: The nineteen nineties wants their jokes back, right, These were
Speaker 12: microwaved jokes. Come from the symptoms in the nineteen nineties
Speaker 12: and get some original material, guys.
Speaker 2: That's the problem with them.
Speaker 12: It's not cutting edge, it's not original, and they didn't
Speaker 12: add anything. A funny political cartoon or meme can add
Speaker 12: something to the debate. A picture tells a thousand words,
Speaker 12: but these didn't. These didn't. They were hopeless and it
Speaker 12: just but maybe that does show how empty the Labor
Speaker 12: Party's arguments against nuclear are we are getting and the
Speaker 12: new Labor Party is supporting the provision of multiple nuclear submarines,
Speaker 12: nuclear powered submarines, but then at the same time saying
Speaker 12: or trying to say that having the same type of
Speaker 12: reactors on shore is going to lead to death and
Speaker 12: destruction is absolutely absurd, and that's why their jokes fell flat.
Speaker 1: But I think that's that's the point, Gary, is that
Speaker 1: the reason there's nothing new in these these silly memes
Speaker 1: and jokes is because they don't have anything. They don't
Speaker 1: have an argument.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: They know it's all pretty lazy politics.
Speaker 11: But look, let's face it, all of our swimmers and
Speaker 11: athletes are about the head to Paris to Peter and Olympics.
Speaker 2: Paris is powered by nucleus.
Speaker 11: Seventy percent of its electricity comes from there. And I
Speaker 11: don't know about three eyed Frenchmen, but they're pretty one
Speaker 11: eyed the French. And I've got to say to you
Speaker 11: that the Labor Party's sense of humor is juvenile. It's
Speaker 11: the sort of stuff you would expect from university politics.
Speaker 11: And unfortunately, too many in politics these days are people
Speaker 11: who haven't graduated in an emotional sense from the stupid
Speaker 11: things they did at university.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to say that's in both Team Blue
Speaker 2: and Team Red.
Speaker 11: There's too many people who practice juvenile university style politics.
Speaker 2: They think it's funny. Well, going to amuse yourself.
Speaker 11: In another way, Australians are suffering right now that heat
Speaker 11: or eat question, many older Australians in particular, asking they
Speaker 11: want a solution to it, and so the idea of
Speaker 11: nuclear power. Nineteen out of the twenty countries in the
Speaker 11: G twenty have got it. I can't see why Australia
Speaker 11: can't have it. Is it going to happen tomorrow? No,
Speaker 11: but I think it's going to be part of the
Speaker 11: mix and it's a sensible conversation. Peter Dutton's promoted. The
Speaker 11: Labor Party hasn't met it with a sensible response.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe we'll have some three ied Olympians when they
Speaker 1: come back, all the better to see you with. I
Speaker 1: suppose we've just what we're on energy and power. So
Speaker 1: you've got this green rating system that's been designed by
Speaker 1: the government. You know it will help us reach net zero,
Speaker 1: but it's going to reject the gas industry. Here was
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister's response today. What we've announced is a
Speaker 1: future gas strategy.
Speaker 3: Well, we think that gas has an important role to
Speaker 3: play in firming capacity for renewables.
Speaker 1: Does the left hand know what the right hand is doing?
Speaker 2: Matter?
Speaker 1: Because the PM said that gas is really important to
Speaker 1: get to net zero and then they put out a
Speaker 1: document saying gas not so good after all.
Speaker 12: Well, it just shows that the joke's on us. The
Speaker 12: joke is all on us with our higher power prices
Speaker 12: and also with this evening's news that three thousand jobs
Speaker 12: are being lost in our nickel into because we are not,
Speaker 12: because we are denying ourselves the use of cheap energy sources.
Speaker 12: We are losing those three thousand jobs to Indonesia, who
Speaker 12: over the last two years has increased their use of
Speaker 12: coal fired power by fifty seven percent. In two years,
Speaker 12: it's gone up fifty seven percent, and they're using that
Speaker 12: cul fired power to undercut our nickel industry go at
Speaker 12: lower prices, and now jobs are being lost in this country.
Speaker 2: So it's about time we.
Speaker 12: Get off this net zero chain, that train that clearly
Speaker 12: Indonesia's not on. They're not doing that, China's not doing that.
Speaker 12: Indonesia's not doing that. We're bat time we protect our
Speaker 12: own jobs and protect our own country and also get
Speaker 12: power process down for strains we should be using gas,
Speaker 12: should be using cold too, and of course uranium. Use
Speaker 12: it all to bring down power process.
Speaker 1: Now, Gary before we go, I talked at the top
Speaker 1: of the show about the fact that our council in
Speaker 1: Melbourne has put out this climate change plan thing and
Speaker 1: they're pushing their residents to switch to a vegetarian diet,
Speaker 1: even though at the meeting before they all voted unanimously
Speaker 1: just bought this thing. They all ate to roast beef,
Speaker 1: I mean Gary, for heaven's sake, whatever happened to Rhodes
Speaker 1: rates and rubbish? Now they say all the residents have to.
Speaker 11: Go then Joe, Yeah, Look they're just obviously run out
Speaker 11: of things to do. And if you live in your
Speaker 11: a council, good luck. I say something to chew over there.
Speaker 11: But look, these people have really lost the plot every
Speaker 11: time they raised this sort of stuff. You know, the
Speaker 11: reality is Australian farmers, the food and fiber we produce,
Speaker 11: we feed you know, a couple of hundred million people
Speaker 11: a year from our production if we took the price,
Speaker 11: the costs structures out of it, and those three thousand
Speaker 11: jobs being lost out of the nickel industry also as
Speaker 11: a result of all the forms and fees and processes
Speaker 11: and all the silvy requirements that the green, the green
Speaker 11: woke international elites have imposed upon us. I think I
Speaker 11: heard Gena Rehnhardt say last year four nine hundred and
Speaker 11: fifty forms they had to fill in to open up
Speaker 11: that massive roy Hill iron ore mine, the biggest iron
Speaker 11: ore state of Australia. We are killing ourselves on paperwork.
Speaker 11: We're killing ourselves and all this woke rubbish and the
Speaker 11: Era Council will conceit itself. But if I was living
Speaker 11: in the Ara Council, I'd move to the next one.
Speaker 1: That's right. Well, if I was living in the Arra Council,
Speaker 1: I'd be going to buy the biggest stake I could find.
Speaker 1: Eric and Gary Hardgrave, Matt Canaban facing so much for
Speaker 1: your time, dear in me all right. Coming up after
Speaker 1: the break, we'll talk to Dave Sharma about the troubling
Speaker 1: calls from a prominent activist that's seen him referred to
Speaker 1: a state and federal police, plus the Prime Minister's tactics
Speaker 1: exposed as he enters campaign mode. Is he going to
Speaker 1: call an early election? That's up for the break. Well, exclusive
Speaker 1: yarn from our own Caroline Marcus, who I can see
Speaker 1: sitting just across the way here join her on Paul
Speaker 1: Murray Live. Shortly, a leading pro Palestinian activist has been
Speaker 1: referred to both federal and state police after calling for
Speaker 1: an armed resistance death to America outside the US consulate
Speaker 1: in Melbourne on the fourth of July, which of course
Speaker 1: is Independence Day in the US. Sky News exclusively obtained
Speaker 1: fresh vision of the incident.
Speaker 2: We believe in the resistance.
Speaker 10: We're going to start the arm resistance, and we've got
Speaker 10: to go.
Speaker 2: Back and celebrate the fair of dark colony.
Speaker 6: It's our lie very will never.
Speaker 2: Believed their resistance.
Speaker 1: Joining me now to discuss Liberal Senator Dave Sharma. Dave,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what happens when you have a
Speaker 1: weak response from the government and everyone else. We shouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised.
Speaker 13: No, we shouldn't be, Caleb. It's unfortunate, but that's a
Speaker 13: very true statement. I mean, this individual, you know, calling
Speaker 13: for armed resistance, protesting outside the US consulate, involved in
Speaker 13: some of the university encampments, involved in other matters of
Speaker 13: interest to the courts and the police. You know, we
Speaker 13: should not be tolerating this in Australia. And it's been
Speaker 13: allowed to go on for far too long since the
Speaker 13: seventh of October. A climate of permissiveness, a free license
Speaker 13: given to people who are calling for death to other
Speaker 13: people calling for armed resistance, calling for violent struggle, calling
Speaker 13: for gad whatever it might be, it has no place
Speaker 13: in Australia.
Speaker 1: And of course we had the announcement this week of
Speaker 1: a Special Envoy on anti Semitism, and I mean, you know, great,
Speaker 1: it's come along some nine months after the war between
Speaker 1: Israel and Gaza started. But you know how much would
Speaker 1: that have done to stop something like this? I don't know.
Speaker 13: Well, I think, you know, I welcome the appointment of
Speaker 13: a special envoy, and I think it's come far too late,
Speaker 13: as you point out, but it can't be used as
Speaker 13: an excuse for the advocation of leadership by Prime Minister
Speaker 13: Anthony Albanesi and his senior ministers. And too often we've
Speaker 13: seen from them, and from Albanesi and from his senior
Speaker 13: leadership team, an attempt to sort of speak out of
Speaker 13: both sides of their mouth on this issue. We've had
Speaker 13: you know, Ja Sinclaire saying that phrasers like from the
Speaker 13: river to the sea mean different things to different people. No,
Speaker 13: they don't. The meaning of that is very clear. We've
Speaker 13: had other senior labor front benches dog whistling about genocide
Speaker 13: and war crimes and things like that. You know, this
Speaker 13: government has really tried to be all things to warll
Speaker 13: people on this issue, rather than taking a clear moral stand,
Speaker 13: rather than standing up for Australian values, and in many respects,
Speaker 13: I mean, their own internal divisions show that they're reaping
Speaker 13: what they saw from that approach that they've taken.
Speaker 1: Now the federal government, the Labor parties ramping up campaigning
Speaker 1: in Queensland at the moment you saw the Prime Minister
Speaker 1: out and about today making some candidate announcements etc. But
Speaker 1: it's interesting if you have a look at some of
Speaker 1: the colors you see there of what they've put on
Speaker 1: social media, that there's just curiously no sign of red anywhere.
Speaker 1: In fact, the colors that they using, yellow and blue
Speaker 1: are used by the LNP in Queensland. Strange, isn't it, Dave.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I was struck by that. I mean, there's no
Speaker 13: Labor logo, there's no signature Labor red. The colors that
Speaker 13: are being used are a sort of royal blue, which
Speaker 13: is the traditional liberal color, and then an orange which
Speaker 13: is part of the LMP color kit in Queensland. It's
Speaker 13: almost as if they don't want a campaign as Labor candidates.
Speaker 13: Is quite an odd choice of colors and branding, and
Speaker 13: it suggests to me that at least in Queensland, they
Speaker 13: know that the Labor brand is very much on the
Speaker 13: nose and they're trying to distance themselves and the candidates
Speaker 13: probably are as much as possible I mean, we may
Speaker 13: well never see these candidates photograph with Anthony Albanesi. Again,
Speaker 13: we should save this one for the archive.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was going to say. It's interesting
Speaker 1: that they've sort of distanced themselves from the Labor branding,
Speaker 1: but they've actually chosen to get the Prime Minister involved.
Speaker 1: They must think that some kind of positive I'm somewhat
Speaker 1: surprised by that.
Speaker 13: Well, I think they're probably getting the obligatory photo now
Speaker 13: early before a campaign's underway. If the question is asked,
Speaker 13: why is Anthony Albanize, he not campaigned for you, I
Speaker 13: can say he was here several months ago, but I
Speaker 13: suspect we won't see him in much campaign material or
Speaker 13: campaign footage once the election proper is ontway. This is
Speaker 13: a well known inoculation tactic.
Speaker 1: Wham bam, thank you, ma'am. Now, I spoke about this
Speaker 1: earlier in the program. But Labor is becoming, of course,
Speaker 1: increasingly worried about a likely surge of Muslim votes, particularly
Speaker 1: in Western Sydney, independent candidates threatening key seats. You've got this,
Speaker 1: the Muslim vote group that has set up. We tooked
Speaker 1: about that earlier in the program. How much of a
Speaker 1: threat do you think that actually is and is it
Speaker 1: possible that that could sway labor policy in any way.
Speaker 13: Look, I'd say two things about this. Firstly, the idea
Speaker 13: of a political party that represents a religious community is not,
Speaker 13: in and of itself necessarily novel. But the idea that
Speaker 13: political party would campaign on only one issue, which is
Speaker 13: a foreign policy issue and which is about changing Australia's
Speaker 13: foreign policy, I think is unprecedented. And I think if
Speaker 13: we had any other component of Australian society setting up
Speaker 13: a political party to campaign not to look after the
Speaker 13: interests of that community in Australia, not to look after
Speaker 13: their welfare or their access to opportunity or their equality
Speaker 13: before the law, but to campaign for a foreign policy change,
Speaker 13: I think we take a pretty skeptical and suspicious view
Speaker 13: of it, and I worry about that this is what
Speaker 13: this party is seeking to do. I think for labor,
Speaker 13: I mean, I think, look what it does. And I
Speaker 13: don't want to be a commentator on their own internal politics,
Speaker 13: but I think it shows you that their attempts to
Speaker 13: straddle these divisions rather than taking a clear position on
Speaker 13: the basis of morality. After the seventh of October, terrorist
Speaker 13: attacks and frankly on the basis of Australia.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, David, I'm cutting. I'm cutting into James Morrow's
Speaker 1: time here, Dave Shama, thank you for joining me, Thank
Speaker 1: you for joining me this week. Up next James Morrow
Speaker 1: with Paul Murray Life