Speaker 1: I want the fairy tale, I want the prince charming.
Speaker 2: She how do I put this? Isn't a fan of
Speaker 2: my kissing style.
Speaker 1: Boyfriend and girlfriend for about twelve hours. He's in a
Speaker 1: trash bin. He's non recyclable. Catching her up.
Speaker 2: I love being love, I love love.
Speaker 3: On today's episode of Where's Your Head At, we are
Speaker 3: sitting down with Amber Paul, who runs the wildly popular
Speaker 3: influencer updates au Instagram account.
Speaker 2: We will be asking her what it is like to
Speaker 2: run an accounts such as this, how she gets her goss,
Speaker 2: ask her about her most juicy stories, and also find
Speaker 2: out her thoughts on cancer culture and online buoying.
Speaker 3: We will also ask her why she thinks influencers should
Speaker 3: be held to accounts for their actions and whether we
Speaker 3: set our expectations of.
Speaker 1: Them too high.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned.
Speaker 3: Where's Your Head At is a podcast that talks all
Speaker 3: things relationships, breakups, reality TV, trending shows, and everything in between.
Speaker 2: This is your new go to destination for laughs, gossip,
Speaker 2: intimate details, advice, and much more.
Speaker 1: Hi Amba, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 4: Hianna, Hi Matt, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Hey, thank you for jumping on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're so excited to have you here. We have
Speaker 3: so many burning questions.
Speaker 4: I'm excited to be here. I'm a bit starstruck. Love
Speaker 4: Island alumni are.
Speaker 2: Saying before, you're a big fan of Love Island.
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 2: Yes, even to the point you remembered what Anna was
Speaker 2: wearing when she walked in.
Speaker 1: Even I've forgotten that Anna was a pink girl. She's
Speaker 1: wearing pink today.
Speaker 2: Wears your head up.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 1: It's to be very young mum.
Speaker 3: So you have kids at home, so thank you for
Speaker 3: making the time to do this.
Speaker 4: That's okay. So my husband's got them at the moment,
Speaker 4: he's taken them for a drive. And yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: know if I'm a young mom. I'm thirty four.
Speaker 1: Definitely a young Definitely, I'm thirty one.
Speaker 3: And when I become a mom up until like even
Speaker 3: when i'm forty, I'll be a young mum.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I say. I won't be looking at
Speaker 2: fatherhood until long past thirty four at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well yeah, anyway, Obviously, the first question that I
Speaker 3: just wanted to ask you was because obviously you run
Speaker 3: influencer Updates. It's a very popular gossip Instagram page.
Speaker 1: Would we say.
Speaker 4: That I prefer to call it a news account. When
Speaker 4: people ask me what do I do, I say, it's
Speaker 4: a news account. I feel like his account, yeah, because
Speaker 4: I don't just do gossip. Like it's not just rumors,
Speaker 4: it's actual updates of I'm doing a lot of reposting
Speaker 4: what the influencers are posting themselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I've been following you for a while.
Speaker 3: I think, I, actually this is so random, but you know,
Speaker 3: attis Paul. He was following you and then I for
Speaker 3: some reason looked at who he was following and I
Speaker 3: found you, and I was like, oh, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm going to follow along.
Speaker 3: And I've been following every since, and it is very interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean, we obviously are very into pop culture with
Speaker 3: the podcast, so it's definitely it's good to keep up today.
Speaker 4: And it's good to follow because I have spoken about
Speaker 4: both of you on the account before.
Speaker 2: That was our next question, what have you said about
Speaker 2: Anna or myself on your podcast on your Instagram?
Speaker 4: Well, Matt, funnily enough, you were actually one of the
Speaker 4: first videos I ever did, back when I was doing
Speaker 4: TikTok videos.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, your relationship with Kira that was big news at
Speaker 4: the time.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, take a trip to memory lane. I'll
Speaker 2: have to go back and have a look at that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, two and a half years ago that account started.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you started on TikTok and then you
Speaker 2: moved to Instagram or yeah.
Speaker 4: So it was my sister Kayla. She's the owner of
Speaker 4: Tribe Skincare. So yeah, yeah, I don't know if you
Speaker 4: know the brand.
Speaker 3: Yeah absolutely, yeah, Oh that sounds for Meal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd know Edge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's popular on Instagram and TikTok as well.
Speaker 4: But so she'd had a bit of experience with TikTok
Speaker 4: and she encouraged me to start on there and taught
Speaker 4: me how to use it, just because like the algorithm,
Speaker 4: like it favors new accounts, whereas like if you were
Speaker 4: to start an Instagram with no followers, like they're not
Speaker 4: going to show your video to anyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4: It quickly grew to about seventy thousand followers within about
Speaker 4: a year. And that's when I made the switch to Instagram,
Speaker 4: just because I could be more interactive with people, like
Speaker 4: doing q and a's and the polls, and yeah, just
Speaker 4: a lot more. I could do videos and static posts
Speaker 4: a lot more flexibility.
Speaker 1: So what was your first post to kind of go viral?
Speaker 4: First one to go viral? Well, I suppose the very
Speaker 4: first post I ever did. It was about ash Mesher.
Speaker 4: There's the Mesha twins. They're famous influencers, and she had
Speaker 4: just had a breast augmentation and I simply posted, you know,
Speaker 4: his her information she's had a breast augmentation before and after.
Speaker 4: And yeah, as I said, that was the first video
Speaker 4: I ever did, and it got about fifty thousand views
Speaker 4: in just a day, and that's when I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: there's people that actually want to view this content.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, it's very popular. It's definitely people love to
Speaker 3: hate influencers.
Speaker 4: Right, Definitely love to hate.
Speaker 3: Do you get would you say that people hate more
Speaker 3: than love toward, like when they're like sending you gossip
Speaker 3: and things like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. And I think that a lot of people
Speaker 4: they want my account to be very negative and calling
Speaker 4: influencers out and holding them accountable for their mistakes. But
Speaker 4: it's definitely not why I started the account. I started
Speaker 4: it because I love influences that I love pop culture,
Speaker 4: and yeah, I want to post the good things as
Speaker 4: well as the scandalous things.
Speaker 2: So do you have a lot of people sending stuff
Speaker 2: into you and then like gossip that they like they
Speaker 2: don't really have proof on. Like somebody might say, like,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, I saw this, I saw that.
Speaker 2: Will you not post it unless you have evidence of
Speaker 2: that action or whatever?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so just for defamation reasons, Like I can't really
Speaker 4: just go off a rumor, although I mean I can
Speaker 4: sometimes I do like blind items where I'll blank out
Speaker 4: the name and post a rumor and people have to
Speaker 4: guess who it is. A lot of the time it's
Speaker 4: pretty easy to guess.
Speaker 1: I've just back to us.
Speaker 2: Have we ever been one of them? Because there was one,
Speaker 2: so I won there was one. I remember. I think
Speaker 2: you sent it to me where I sent it back
Speaker 2: to you, where we were like, fuck, that's me.
Speaker 4: To me. That might have been. There's been a lot
Speaker 4: of them over the years. It's hard to remember, but
Speaker 4: you'd probably remember better than me, especially if it was
Speaker 4: about you.
Speaker 2: It was maybe a year a year ago or something,
Speaker 2: and I was like, fuck, that's awfully close, Like I've
Speaker 2: done that.
Speaker 4: Okay, probably you.
Speaker 1: What's been your juiciest story to break?
Speaker 4: Could you say the juiciest I suppose relationships are always
Speaker 4: the biggest story. People love knowing relationships as well as friendships.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, so I remember, like probably a year ago,
Speaker 4: I had been getting like a lot of different I
Speaker 4: suppose tips and stuff about Tammy Hembro and her fiance
Speaker 4: Matt Poul just different things like that didn't seem quite right,
Speaker 4: and then when I looked at it and put it
Speaker 4: all together, I was like, oh, I think they've actually
Speaker 4: broken up. And so I put it together as a
Speaker 4: TikTok video, just like a one minute video, and then
Speaker 4: like the media got hold of it and they were
Speaker 4: like posting about it on news sites, and that one
Speaker 4: went pretty viral, and unfortunately it was true, but they
Speaker 4: hadn't broken the news themselves yet. So yeah, that one
Speaker 4: was pretty unfortunate. But yeah, that's probably the Mard case.
Speaker 2: Do you do you ever feel bad that like you're
Speaker 2: doing that before they've like had the chance to post,
Speaker 2: or they've probably had a grieving time and they want
Speaker 2: their privacy.
Speaker 4: Do you feel I probably should feel bad. I don't know,
Speaker 4: Like I just I feel like because I'm posting public information,
Speaker 4: like it's only stuff that they've posted themselves. It's not
Speaker 4: like I was posting that based on a tip off
Speaker 4: or anything. But yeah, it's tricky. I suppose like you've
Speaker 4: got to be careful what you do post about people,
Speaker 4: make sure you're not upsetting anyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was about to say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. There's been a few just like dms of
Speaker 4: get this off your page, or I'm going to send
Speaker 4: you a season desist, or this is defamation, which I
Speaker 4: know very well the defamation laws in Australia and the
Speaker 4: things I'm posting are not defamation. But if it's going
Speaker 4: to upset them that much, like I'm going to take
Speaker 4: it down or I'll at least turn off the comments.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So there's been things that you've posted in the past
Speaker 3: where people have asked your influencers have asked you to
Speaker 3: take it down, and you have taken it down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. Like even Emma Isaacs, she's the owner of
Speaker 4: business Chicks. Just recently her ex husband posted like a
Speaker 4: series of stories about an unnamed person and they were
Speaker 4: less than flattering, and I just assumed that was about
Speaker 4: his ex wife, Emma, and so I put together a
Speaker 4: post saying, you know, Roman Isaacs has made this post
Speaker 4: about his ex wife Emma Isaacs and she contacted me
Speaker 4: and was like, you know, this is defamatory. You can't
Speaker 4: put my name on this, like it's not about me
Speaker 4: and it's not true, which I agree with her, like
Speaker 4: in hindsight, I you know, I posted it very quickly
Speaker 4: because I was like, this is exciting information, and then
Speaker 4: I took that one down because yeah, she was like,
Speaker 4: you know, I will have to send you a legal
Speaker 4: letter if you don't take this down.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you know what's interesting is Arachon like there's
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 3: Of influencers out there that I've never heard of, but
Speaker 3: you seem to know them all, like yeah.
Speaker 1: Like ever like posts about people and I'm like, who
Speaker 1: is this?
Speaker 3: And then I like look them up and I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: this is like you know someone in this space or
Speaker 3: that says.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you're so all over it.
Speaker 3: How do you say so all over the growing number
Speaker 3: of influencers in Australia.
Speaker 4: I suppose. So that's why this is a niche account,
Speaker 4: because yeah, they're the sort of people that I'm reporting
Speaker 4: on that aren't going to be reported on in the
Speaker 4: mainstream media usually. I mean you too, as ex reality
Speaker 4: are definitely reported in the mainstream media. But most of
Speaker 4: the people aren't, and I suppose it's just consuming the
Speaker 4: content myself. Like I consume a lot of social media
Speaker 4: content because it is something I enjoy. And then yeah,
Speaker 4: I've been following influencers since I don't know, maybe twenty
Speaker 4: thirteen when Instagram sort of started picking up. And yeah,
Speaker 4: I've got a really good memory too, so I remember
Speaker 4: a lot of the things that influencers have posted over
Speaker 4: the years.
Speaker 3: Do you work with other kind of like I know
Speaker 3: that you would say that you're in news kind of page,
Speaker 3: but there's definitely other gossip pages. Would you kind of
Speaker 3: collaborate with them on information or do you talk to
Speaker 3: any of them?
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, So I mean in DMS, we talk a
Speaker 4: lot behind the scenes, So a lot of the things
Speaker 4: that I post, like I said, I try to be
Speaker 4: a NewsPage. So if somebody me something I don't know
Speaker 4: trying to like, it might be that like an influencer
Speaker 4: hasn't strapped their child into a child seat properly, and
Speaker 4: people are very triggered by that, and that's not the
Speaker 4: sort of content that I would post. So I might
Speaker 4: be like, oh, here's some content that I was sent.
Speaker 4: If you want to post it and you can.
Speaker 2: That's that's more likely. There's other pages that do that
Speaker 2: sort of stuff, which is more like that cancel culture
Speaker 2: negative vibes, which I like. Yeah, I hate that sort
Speaker 2: of stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, and I try to stay away from that
Speaker 4: as well. Like as I said, I run this account
Speaker 4: because I like influencers. I'm not trying to call them out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of gossip sites, with the exception of
Speaker 3: a couple, are anonymous. You, on the other hand, have
Speaker 3: put your face to the page. What made you decide
Speaker 3: to do that and not keep it anonymous.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm really not sure why everyone is anonymous. I
Speaker 4: guess they share their opinion a lot more than me,
Speaker 4: whereas my account's not really an opinion account. As I said,
Speaker 4: I'd try to keep it more factual. But I do
Speaker 4: find that if I do share my opinion, I get
Speaker 4: sent a lot of dms like disagreeing or attacking me,
Speaker 4: and a lot agreeing as well with the opinion. So
Speaker 4: I think that that's probably why they stay anonymous, because
Speaker 4: they're sharing their opinion and they just don't want to
Speaker 4: get that hate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you posted something recently actually on Influencer Updates saying
Speaker 3: that you're taking a step back from the page.
Speaker 1: What made you do that?
Speaker 4: There was a tipping point? And yeah, going back to
Speaker 4: the legal letter question, there was a legal letter that
Speaker 4: I received just recently. This was my first legal letter
Speaker 4: that I have received. And so last Wednesday, I reposted
Speaker 4: somebody else's content. So they had made a video calling
Speaker 4: out Karina Irby for photoshopping her photos. And she's like
Speaker 4: a body positive influencer and talks about not photoshopping, and
Speaker 4: he had proof that she indeed photoshopped her photos, right, Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 4: And she ended up admit that, yes, she had photoshopped
Speaker 4: the photos, right. But she was very upset at the time,
Speaker 4: I suppose, and asked me to take the video down.
Speaker 4: And I was sort of like, well, no, this is
Speaker 4: online anyway, like you know, people are going to see
Speaker 4: it regardless of whether I post it. And then she
Speaker 4: was like, you know, I'm going to send you a
Speaker 4: legal letter to take it down. And as I said,
Speaker 4: people have said that to me before and nothing happens.
Speaker 4: But she actually followed through and two days later, on
Speaker 4: Friday night, I received a knock on my door and
Speaker 4: was served with my first legal letter.
Speaker 2: Is that a scary moment.
Speaker 4: Oh, I wasn't scared. I don't know how they got
Speaker 4: my address. But I also don't mind, like I live
Speaker 4: in Geelong in just like the suburbs, Like I've got
Speaker 4: no reason that anyone would ever come here. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm not too worried about that. But I did speak
Speaker 4: to a lawyer.
Speaker 2: You have a lawyer.
Speaker 4: I don't have a lawyer as such, but I contacted
Speaker 4: a lawyer and they said to me, like for free.
Speaker 4: They said to me, you know, the letter that you've
Speaker 4: been sent has no legal grounds, like you haven't done
Speaker 4: anything wrong, so just reply to them saying that you
Speaker 4: know you've taken the video down and that's the end
Speaker 4: of it. So that's what I did, and I haven't
Speaker 4: heard back, so yeah, I mean, I didn't want to
Speaker 4: upset her, and it's sad that it came to a
Speaker 4: legal letter. But I can see what I did wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, me, And even just hearing this gives me anxiety.
Speaker 3: So I don't know how your anxiety is dealing with this.
Speaker 3: Do you suffer from anxiety?
Speaker 4: No, I don't, luckily, which is uncommon to hear these days,
Speaker 4: like so many people do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got I've got like secondhand anxiety for you,
Speaker 3: just thinking about someone knocking on my door with like
Speaker 3: legal documents.
Speaker 2: When I got served, I was actually pretty funny to
Speaker 2: have you been served? Yeah? For the court case. I
Speaker 2: was like, they like, does Matsakowski live here? I'm like, NOx, like, no, no,
Speaker 2: he said. I was like, and I looked at my
Speaker 2: roommate and I was like, I'm probab shouldn' my mate's
Speaker 2: name on here? Yeah? Cut that. Why do you think
Speaker 2: your followers love your content so much?
Speaker 4: I think that it's a guilty pleasure really, Like, like
Speaker 4: I said before, people love to hate influencers, So I
Speaker 4: think it's the influencers. They seem like normal people, like
Speaker 4: they're relatable, but people get a bit jealous that they
Speaker 4: seemingly do no work and yet seemingly get a very
Speaker 4: high income, and that really upsets people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you do you believe that influencers do no work
Speaker 3: or is.
Speaker 4: That definitely not?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know that it's a marketing thing, like they
Speaker 4: work in marketing essentially, work in sales, work in market Absolutely.
Speaker 3: What type of posts would you put up that get
Speaker 3: the most love from your followers?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely still think relationships they're always the most popular,
Speaker 4: and then there's certain people, like the bigger influencers, Like
Speaker 4: people love Tammy Hembro content and they love Anna Paul,
Speaker 4: so adas Paul's sister Anna. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 3: Gonna say, is there a relation there because your last
Speaker 3: name is Paul.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I've never actually told this story online, but my
Speaker 4: surname is not actually Paul. That's just like my stage name. Well,
Speaker 4: to play on words, because Anna Paul is a huge influencer,
Speaker 4: and so I made my name aber Paul.
Speaker 2: Like how you make it like a poor name or something.
Speaker 4: No, but it's more that, like, because I do have children,
Speaker 4: I didn't want people knowing the surname of my children.
Speaker 4: And also my husband's name is Paul. That's where I
Speaker 4: get the Paul from.
Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how does your husband feel about this?
Speaker 3: Because obviously, I mean, I feel like women are very
Speaker 3: much into kind of like following influences stuff, but I
Speaker 3: feel like guys don't really get it as much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he doesn't get it at all. Sometimes, very rarely,
Speaker 4: I'll share with him a post that's been really popular
Speaker 4: and he'll be like, I just don't get it. Do
Speaker 4: people actually care about that? Why?
Speaker 2: A lot of my A lot of my mates don't
Speaker 2: even follow influences then, and me be the closest thing
Speaker 2: that they have to actual influencer following, Like they don't
Speaker 2: they wouldn't follow a single influence.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they follow some like hot girls.
Speaker 4: Maybe yeah, but probably not to buy, Yeah, some products.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I know what you mean, Like it's not
Speaker 1: like a thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a thing. Yeah, they're not really waiting
Speaker 2: for the next goss about them.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, there's definitely a target market. And I find
Speaker 4: that most of my followers are between twenty five and
Speaker 4: thirty five and female.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just looking at their Instagram analytics.
Speaker 1: Similar to us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3: Do you ever worry that you are contributing to like
Speaker 3: online bullying or trolling? I know personally for me, I
Speaker 3: was once posted on celebrity spell check for breaking lockdown
Speaker 3: with your ex.
Speaker 1: I literally did not sleep for three nights.
Speaker 3: I had to take sleeping tablets because I was like
Speaker 3: so anxious. Everyone was blowing me up saying I'm a
Speaker 3: terrible person. I was like, I live alone, I'm like
Speaker 3: so like stressed out about all of this, and like
Speaker 3: no one really seemed to care. It was like you're evil,
Speaker 3: go die like.
Speaker 2: It was more full and that's the culture that's built
Speaker 2: around that Instagram, and that.
Speaker 1: Is the culture.
Speaker 3: So do you worry that you are contributing to that
Speaker 3: type of like stress on people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely do worry about it, and I know that,
Speaker 4: like the comment section of my posts is something that
Speaker 4: I'm still not really sure what I need to do
Speaker 4: with it going forward. So you mentioned before how I'm
Speaker 4: taking a bit of a step back. So part of
Speaker 4: that is, well, the legal letter is partly what triggered it,
Speaker 4: but also yeah, not knowing what to do with the
Speaker 4: comment section because I find like some posts I'll get
Speaker 4: six hundred comments and it's not something that I can
Speaker 4: moderate myself, like it's just way too much. Like I
Speaker 4: need to spend more time making more content. And yeah,
Speaker 4: I do worry that influencers will read the comments. A
Speaker 4: lot of influencers have blocked me, which is probably for
Speaker 4: that reason. But yeah, like I don't want to contribute
Speaker 4: to bullying, but I definitely assume I do, which I
Speaker 4: don't like that.
Speaker 2: There's settings, isn't there on Instagram where you can filter
Speaker 2: out certain words and it hides them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to be honest, like, we kind of understand
Speaker 3: where you're coming from because.
Speaker 1: We had a video.
Speaker 3: We had Harry Jowsey on our podcast and we had
Speaker 3: a video up of him and that went very viral
Speaker 3: for all of the wrong reasons. There was like thousands
Speaker 3: of comments, and I was we we didn't.
Speaker 2: Do We both started deleting something.
Speaker 3: We started deleting comments, both of us at once, and
Speaker 3: then we ended up switching off the comments. And it's
Speaker 3: just like it is and yeah, and people do get
Speaker 3: so low and disgusting, and it's it's scary because I
Speaker 3: can only imagine being a person who's reading like that
Speaker 3: amount of hate.
Speaker 4: And especially like you said, you were receiving threats and
Speaker 4: you were living alone, Like that's really scary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, something Well.
Speaker 2: I had both of them blowing my phone off, you
Speaker 2: and Kira blowing my phone off about it.
Speaker 4: Was it your fault?
Speaker 2: Mat, Oh, my fault.
Speaker 3: If you guys had just stayed together, she wouldn't have
Speaker 3: come to my house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, into that line.
Speaker 3: I actually did see you posted something about Math's X
Speaker 3: the other.
Speaker 4: Day, yes, yeah, just basically that she was rude to
Speaker 4: somebody in a cafe. Yea, yeah, yeah, but again, that
Speaker 4: story was unverified, but I posted her name knowing that
Speaker 4: it's not really defamatory, like saying that she was rude
Speaker 4: to someone in a cafe. That's not going to lose
Speaker 4: her work or anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kira is a very hot topic on the page. Actually,
Speaker 4: people are very interesting ask more.
Speaker 2: Questions about that. Sorry, in what way is she hot topic? Oh?
Speaker 4: Just that she's always drama surrounding her. I suppose that's
Speaker 4: why normal people and they're held to a standard higher
Speaker 4: than what you would hold any of your friends or yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and yeah, it's just not I guess it's not going to.
Speaker 2: Work some of the stuff. But like some of the
Speaker 2: slip ups, like you're saying before, weren't strapped into like
Speaker 2: a chair, a baby chair properly. Like as long as
Speaker 2: they were strapped in, I don't see the problem. Like, no,
Speaker 2: people are just so savage on this sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: Do you know what scares me about having children is
Speaker 3: all of like the people online who come from mums.
Speaker 3: I just think it's like horrific. I think that's like
Speaker 3: a whole different level. Because if someone's coming for you,
Speaker 3: that's one thing.
Speaker 1: But when people are.
Speaker 3: Well, they're coming out like they're judging like every single
Speaker 3: thing you do. Like I remember some I think it
Speaker 3: was like Chloe Zepp was getting in trouble online because
Speaker 3: she kissed her baby on the lips. Apparently that's really
Speaker 3: bad and blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the people that are saying that, I'm sure
Speaker 4: they do it themselves.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's like the who's got the who gets the
Speaker 3: worst hate?
Speaker 1: From what you've seen?
Speaker 4: I can definitely think of two stories recently. They're not
Speaker 4: mum shaming, but they were a bit like cancel culture stories.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So Sophia beg So for dofa, she's a Melbourne girl,
Speaker 4: but she now lives in Sydney. I think so recently,
Speaker 4: she dressed up as a Stingray for a fancy dress
Speaker 4: party and her friend was going as Steve Irwin as
Speaker 4: like a duo costume, and she posted on TikTok and
Speaker 4: the internet blew up about that, saying that it's extremely insensitive.
Speaker 4: And she was two at the time that Steve was killed,
Speaker 4: so she wasn't really around cracky. Yes, the Internet was
Speaker 4: very quick to call her out on that, and she
Speaker 4: did apologize, and that one blew over pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: Go to like a like an inappropriate party or something.
Speaker 2: You people have those parties.
Speaker 4: Well, she didn't mention that it was that, but maybe
Speaker 4: it was that would make a lot of sense.
Speaker 3: Actually, then, yeah, I didn't even think about that because
Speaker 3: I did see that and I was like, that's not okay.
Speaker 3: But yeah, as you said, if she's two at the time,
Speaker 3: she probably laugh about it.
Speaker 2: Though everyone knows that you don't go for Steve Irwin
Speaker 2: from that. He's like a legend of Australia.
Speaker 1: Sure, what's the other one that you.
Speaker 3: Were going to?
Speaker 4: Well, in contrast to that, like people forgave Sofa dofa
Speaker 4: very quickly. But in contrast to that, Emma Clair she
Speaker 4: recently launched a new podcast called Simply Chaotic, and she
Speaker 4: only had a baby a few weeks ago, and the
Speaker 4: launch of the podcast tied in with the birth of
Speaker 4: her baby. It was around the same time and on
Speaker 4: her debut episode, she admitted to having killed two cats
Speaker 4: as a child and her co hosts were laughing about it, which, yeah,
Speaker 4: it was pretty horrendous, and the feedback to her was,
Speaker 4: you know, that's not okay, And instead of removing the
Speaker 4: episode or apologizing, she doubled down on it and said,
Speaker 4: you know, people need to lighten up, and that she's sorry,
Speaker 4: not sorry, and yeah, so then pretty quickly brand started
Speaker 4: dropping her from their partnerships, and then she issued a
Speaker 4: formal apology, which was pretty irrelevant at that point because
Speaker 4: she had originally doubled down on it. And since then, yeah,
Speaker 4: she's expressed that she's pretty upset that the brands did
Speaker 4: that and that they were considered friends to her, and yeah,
Speaker 4: she's sort of she's still saying that the story was
Speaker 4: twisted as well, so yeah, people aren't really forgiving her
Speaker 4: for that one.
Speaker 2: For more contexts, did she say how she killed these cats?
Speaker 4: She said that one was when she was nine and
Speaker 4: she swung it around and it died of fright. And
Speaker 4: one of them was when she was about seventeen and
Speaker 4: it was her best friend's cat and she accidentally hit
Speaker 4: it in her car. That is full on, full on.
Speaker 3: I can't believe that people would be laughing about that
Speaker 3: in the podcast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they luckily got away with it, pretty scott free
Speaker 4: the co hosts, but emmaclair has although her following has increased,
Speaker 4: I think people want to see the drama, but in
Speaker 4: terms of her jobs, it seems to have been canceled.
Speaker 3: How do you think the best like, what's the best
Speaker 3: way for an influencer to deal with a scandal?
Speaker 1: Would you say?
Speaker 4: Yes, I was thinking about this recently because there's been
Speaker 4: quite a few scandals going on, even I like DJ
Speaker 4: Tiger Lily. I don't know if you saw she didn't
Speaker 4: add for Peter and it referenced the First Nations people
Speaker 4: and having the babies taken from their mothers. Yes, I
Speaker 4: think that the best thing to do is take a
Speaker 4: bit of time, Like, don't react immediately, because that's a
Speaker 4: bit of a problem. Like people react immediately and they
Speaker 4: don't say what they should be saying. If that makes
Speaker 4: sense because they haven't had time. Yeah, exactly, so I
Speaker 4: think that they need to take a bit of time,
Speaker 4: take in all of the feedback, and then yeah, like
Speaker 4: maybe make a donation to a relevant charity. That's a
Speaker 4: really popular thing people have been saying that they should
Speaker 4: be doing, and genuinely say sorry and mean it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: don't say sorry I offended, You say like sorry I
Speaker 4: did something wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I think that's the key things.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: So, you think the influencers, if they kind of handle
Speaker 3: the situation right, they can make amends, they apologize for
Speaker 3: their behavior, then they can still continue kind of.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, there's more news tomorrow that will overshadow
Speaker 4: today's scandal.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's it. Yeah, that's literally like her thing was
Speaker 2: in it for like a hot minute and then she
Speaker 2: deleted her Instagram and she's back now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's a good example of what you should do.
Speaker 4: So she took time, and yeah, everyone feels that she
Speaker 4: is sorry for what she did. Yeah, breaking the lockdown,
Speaker 4: that's what she did.
Speaker 3: Is there certain people who you kind of stay away
Speaker 3: from reporting on because I have noticed that there are
Speaker 3: like maybe some kind of like hot topics and maybe
Speaker 3: you won't report on it. Is there like a line
Speaker 3: where you're like, I'm not going to report on ABCD.
Speaker 4: There's definitely like photos that I won't post. Like recently,
Speaker 4: Ruby Tuesday Matthews, she had her son in a photo
Speaker 4: shoot and his pants were slung extremely low and a
Speaker 4: lot of people said that the photo was sexualizing her
Speaker 4: five year old. So like, I wanted to report on this,
Speaker 4: but I didn't want to show the photo and only
Speaker 4: like encourage or encourage spreading this image. Also Denny styled
Speaker 4: by Denny I'm not sure if it's her name. He
Speaker 4: has been expressing a lot of mental health issues recently,
Speaker 4: and people are constantly asking me for updates with him.
Speaker 4: But I don't want to be the final straw, Like
Speaker 4: I can see that he's in a bad place and
Speaker 4: I don't want to po something and then he gets
Speaker 4: a comment from that, and then you know that really
Speaker 4: upsets him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's kind of case by case. But a
Speaker 4: lot of people tell me that I'm a suck up
Speaker 4: to influencers. Really yeah, well.
Speaker 2: I was thinking that you've built such a brand for yourself,
Speaker 2: you're almost an influencer yourself. Now I would say, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, if you were such a suck up, you wouldn't
Speaker 3: be you wouldn't have so many blocks from influence.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I get really upset when they block me, like Martha
Speaker 4: Khalipatitis from that she blocked me the other day and
Speaker 4: she's one of my favorite influencers, so it's really sad. Well,
Speaker 4: when you block somebody, it blocks any other accounts that
Speaker 4: they make, So I have to go on my husband's Instagram,
Speaker 4: which it's a bit desperate.
Speaker 1: Honestly, your husband's account cannot get out.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, And I've given his name away today. That's yeah,
Speaker 4: that's a problem. But yeah, I suppose that's the content
Speaker 4: that I don't like to post, and no I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't really see myself as an influencer. But maybe
Speaker 4: that's because I don't do paid content. But I do
Speaker 4: have a paid membership that I do where people can
Speaker 4: pay like twenty dollars and they sign up and then
Speaker 4: they get access to extra stories for twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did see that, and I was very tempted
Speaker 3: to join.
Speaker 4: I'll add you.
Speaker 2: So what what sort of stories would you add in
Speaker 2: there then that you don't put on your normal thing? Yea,
Speaker 2: nor feed.
Speaker 4: I suppose it's more casual sort of stuff, like when
Speaker 4: I post something to the grid, it's because I know
Speaker 4: it's going to be a big story, whereas, yeah, the
Speaker 4: stories are more like casual sort of posts, like, oh,
Speaker 4: what's an example of something I posted today? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 4: like fashion week outfits? So like I posted a few
Speaker 4: of the Sydney Fashion Week outfits to stories, whereas I
Speaker 4: probably wouldn't do a grid post about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah fair enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So linking bio to.
Speaker 4: Get that, yeah, blinking by to get that and that's
Speaker 4: all I'm posting on at the moment because that break
Speaker 4: that I'm taking. It's just that I was getting hundreds
Speaker 4: of dms per day, especially when I was posting big stories,
Speaker 4: and it honestly just takes hours, Like I need to
Speaker 4: reply to everybody because that's how I get the majority
Speaker 4: of my content is three dms, so I have to
Speaker 4: open it to see if it's more content, and then
Speaker 4: it's just taking way too long. And yeah, as I said,
Speaker 4: I've got two children, so I've really just got to
Speaker 4: step back a bit and decide where I want to
Speaker 4: focus my time, and the paid membership is where I
Speaker 4: want to focus it at the moment.
Speaker 1: Would you ever think of having a podcast?
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. There is a really great podcast outspoken. It's
Speaker 4: Cood and it's by three girls, Triplets, and they cover
Speaker 4: a lot of the same content as me, and I
Speaker 4: was actually on their podcast recently for an interview and
Speaker 4: that's my favorite podcast. Sorry guys, that's.
Speaker 2: What you do and that's yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They did a huge piece on Sarah's Day. What do
Speaker 3: you think of that? Because I thought that was quite shocking.
Speaker 3: When I saw the video, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: it's like very like in your face, like flond Like
Speaker 3: it felt like a takedown. It was so Sarah's day.
Speaker 3: She was like she is, would you say is a
Speaker 3: huge influencer? Yeah, definitely, And they kind of did like this.
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe it was just the video, but
Speaker 3: it was very.
Speaker 4: Like I think it was just the snippet. They had
Speaker 4: like very dramatic music over the top, like it was
Speaker 4: a bit click baby, but.
Speaker 1: It was very clickbaby.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like even Sarah's husband, Kurt, he did respond
Speaker 4: to it on TikTok and said, yeah, okay, this is weird,
Speaker 4: like you'll be hearing from our lawyers, which I don't
Speaker 4: believe they ever did, because they didn't actually say anything tofametry.
Speaker 4: Of course, they are journalists, like they've been to union
Speaker 4: everything and used to work for Channel seven H. But
Speaker 4: I think think that, yeah, the snippet made it seem
Speaker 4: a lot more negative than what it was. It was
Speaker 4: actually like more of a biography about her life, like
Speaker 4: the positive and the negative things.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they call it a deep dive series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, deep dive on influencers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they picked particular ones and go through their scandals
Speaker 4: and yeah, just how they became famous.
Speaker 3: Really do you think that people do hold influencers Obviously
Speaker 3: we've we said that people hold influencers to a high
Speaker 3: standard and we love to hate them. Do you think
Speaker 3: the standard is too high and can it ever change?
Speaker 4: Yeah? It probably is a bit high. But then I
Speaker 4: suppose we don't want influencers promoting like illegal sort of things.
Speaker 4: Like there's been a lot of influencers that get canceled
Speaker 4: or get I guess some scrutinized for their illegal drug
Speaker 4: use like that happens quite a lot. And also a
Speaker 4: really big one lately is their use of solariums and
Speaker 4: even just sun tanning, like that's becoming very scrutinized because
Speaker 4: obviously the link to skin cancer. People don't like lines off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I even feel like I'm judging people with tan lines.
Speaker 1: I'm like, get out of the sun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I saw someone today and I was like geez,
Speaker 2: I was like, I wouldn't. Yeah, it's pretty full. Launch
Speaker 2: had full ten lines.
Speaker 1: We like with fake ten. Here where's your head out?
Speaker 4: For?
Speaker 1: All about that photo?
Speaker 2: And I don't remember last time I laid in the
Speaker 2: sun or was in the sun to be fair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we like literally hate the sun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean maybe it's an age thing as well,
Speaker 4: Like it's probably the younger influences that are still into
Speaker 4: the selarios, but they're so.
Speaker 2: And they've got to remember that they're posting their stuff
Speaker 2: to younger audience as well. So my eighteen year old
Speaker 2: sister still goes in the sun and I'm like, you
Speaker 2: don't like, don't like it becomes my age you realize
Speaker 2: not to go into the sun and.
Speaker 4: All I know. And when you're that age, you listen
Speaker 4: to older people say that and you're like, oh, you're
Speaker 4: such a loser. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So where does responsibility of the influencers kind of
Speaker 3: start and end?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 4: Would you say, I suppose it also depends on their audience,
Speaker 4: Like yeah, if it is a predominantly younger audience, they
Speaker 4: probably have a lot more responsibility. And there's also been
Speaker 4: a lot of scrutiny recently about exploitation of children. So
Speaker 4: like there's a lot of family blogging channels like Sarah's
Speaker 4: Day and she features her children in that very heavily,
Speaker 4: and yeah, it's like where does the responsibility start and end?
Speaker 4: They're like, should she be showing her children at all?
Speaker 4: Or are they are they considered to be working children?
Speaker 4: Like it's a tricky topic because there's no legalities around
Speaker 4: it at the moment.
Speaker 1: What's your opinion, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Like, like I said, I even have a fake surname
Speaker 4: because I don't want people knowing my child's surname. Whereas
Speaker 4: with these big influences, we know their full name, their
Speaker 4: full date of birth, what schools they go to, where
Speaker 4: they go on the weekends, like where their holiday houses are.
Speaker 4: It's pretty scary how much we do who know about
Speaker 4: these children?
Speaker 2: Do people say something like, well, the children has no
Speaker 2: choice whether they get posted or not.
Speaker 1: A child, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Have no choice. You're sort of just posting it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ex touf one.
Speaker 3: I've thought about it so much, just thinking like like
Speaker 3: what is the right thing to do?
Speaker 2: I guess so like you could when you have to
Speaker 2: sign release forms in that you get your parent too
Speaker 2: if you're underage.
Speaker 4: But then.
Speaker 3: It's like a personal account though, right, So it's like
Speaker 3: it's so tricky.
Speaker 4: But is it a personal account when you've got one
Speaker 4: point two million followers?
Speaker 1: Maybe not.
Speaker 2: It's quite public.
Speaker 3: I mean in your mind you would still think of
Speaker 3: it as your personal account, yes, yeah, because you think
Speaker 3: of your followers as your friends. Almost, So it's like,
Speaker 3: like what is the mindset behind it? Like, yeah, you
Speaker 3: don't want to be like putting your kids to work
Speaker 3: like little puppets, like okay and go, but you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And like that has come out before, Like there's been
Speaker 4: behind the scenes videos where people literally are saying that
Speaker 4: to their children.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it is all just part of the brand.
Speaker 3: Who's the mummy influencer Indy Clinton? Her kids are very
Speaker 3: much a part of her socials.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I suppose her children, Navy and Bambi. I
Speaker 4: know all the names of the children. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Everybody knows these things. Yeah, Navy is a very energetic
Speaker 4: I think he's about two. He's a very energetic two
Speaker 4: year old. And yeah, she receives a lot of interesting
Speaker 4: comments based on his behavior and her parenting of that behavior.
Speaker 4: But I don't know, Like, yeah, it's very entertaining, that's
Speaker 4: for sure. Like people watch her channel because they like
Speaker 4: to see her children and they like to see the
Speaker 4: way she parents. And yeah, I don't know where would
Speaker 4: these people be if they didn't show their children on
Speaker 4: social media.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't get it. I would never comment
Speaker 2: on the way someone parents or something. It's just something
Speaker 2: that you just don't. Isn't that something you just.
Speaker 3: Don't We're not parents, so like but yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: like just focus on your own but you're parent, do
Speaker 3: you do you find yourself more judgmental of seeing other
Speaker 3: people parent because you don't.
Speaker 4: But also I've never received judgment But I think that's
Speaker 4: because I'm not being watched by one point two million people,
Speaker 4: like I keep saying one point too, except how many
Speaker 4: followers Sarah's Day has, right, But yes, I suppose it's
Speaker 4: it's a numbers thing, Like when these people have so
Speaker 4: many followers, there's going to be those few people, and
Speaker 4: it's always the negative people that are the loudest. So
Speaker 4: when someone's criticizing you, if a hundred people compliment you
Speaker 4: and one criticizes you, that's the one you notice.
Speaker 1: So absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 4: So maybe there's not really that many people judging their parenting,
Speaker 4: but it's just that that's what stands out to them
Speaker 4: and what triggers them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we mentioned before how Astralia love to jump on
Speaker 2: the hate of influencers and reality TV people. Do you
Speaker 2: think there's a bit of like tall Poppy syndrome about it.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely. Like I said, the tall Poppy syndrome
Speaker 4: is that people are jealous that these people seemingly do
Speaker 4: nothing for a lot of money, like when they're posting
Speaker 4: that they're whining and dining every day and wearing a
Speaker 4: different outfit and then they're getting paid for it, whereas
Speaker 4: with the cost of living crisis, like people are out
Speaker 4: here working minimum wage jobs and struggling to pay the mortgage,
Speaker 4: and they think that the easiest way to deal with
Speaker 4: that jealousy is to tear down an influencer rather than
Speaker 4: looking at how they can improve their own life.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's kind of like when someone has a bad
Speaker 3: day and you're on the road and they're like road
Speaker 3: raging everyone.
Speaker 1: You're like, what have I done wrong?
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's a good way of putting it. So
Speaker 2: they're literally coming home and they're angry at their situation,
Speaker 2: so they take it out. But then again, like we
Speaker 2: don't understand the effort that goes into that sort of stuff,
Speaker 2: like with influencers, and like the thought of about it
Speaker 2: and what they have to do and the actual work
Speaker 2: that goes into that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, I.
Speaker 2: Personally am so grateful for like the opportunities I get
Speaker 2: with that sort of stuff as well. So they don't
Speaker 2: realize that either.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm sure you too would know that, like
Speaker 4: taking a photo is not as simple as taking a
Speaker 4: photo when you're marketing a product. It's not like you
Speaker 4: just yeah exactly, Yeah, all the back and forth admin
Speaker 4: behind the scenes as well.
Speaker 2: And absolutely I do laugh at the ones when they
Speaker 2: get people though. This is something that makes me laugh
Speaker 2: when they copy and paste the accepted caption and because
Speaker 2: I've been so close to it so many times, yeah,
Speaker 2: so many times. Yeah, fu, you got to get rid
Speaker 2: of that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you think some influencers are a bit out of
Speaker 3: touch with reality because they do get big kind of
Speaker 3: lump sums.
Speaker 4: Definitely, and especially when it does come to promoting a product,
Speaker 4: like they all say, you know, I only promote what
Speaker 4: I love and what I genuinely use. But I mean,
Speaker 4: if I was getting a seven hundred dollars dice and
Speaker 4: air wrap for free, of course I'm going to love it.
Speaker 4: Whereas like if you're paying seven hundred dollars for that
Speaker 4: and that's like a week's pay, You're going to be
Speaker 4: much more critical of that product.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that a lot of influencers should promote
Speaker 2: what they feel comfortable promote what they actually do. Say
Speaker 2: to you is absolutely yeah, I think that should be something.
Speaker 3: But I've said yes to collaborations before and I didn't
Speaker 3: like the product and then I said.
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, I've turned down yes as well. Yeah that's
Speaker 2: not me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. What's the future of influencer updates?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'm not really sure. Like I said, I'm
Speaker 4: trying to think about now what's the future of influencer updates?
Speaker 4: But I noticed that, like Instagram, they brought in a
Speaker 4: subscription model a few months ago. They were trialing it
Speaker 4: in Australia and that's now launched here. But they've also
Speaker 4: just recently announced it. There's a whole heap of rules
Speaker 4: of regarding the subscription, like you can't post certain content
Speaker 4: behind the paywall, like you can't do giveaways things like that.
Speaker 4: So I don't know. I think that I'm going to
Speaker 4: keep going with the close Friends membership for now, where
Speaker 4: people they just pay on PayPal. But yeah, I would
Speaker 4: like to do some sort of subscription in the future,
Speaker 4: but I just don't want to move away from Instagram,
Speaker 4: Like I don't want to go to Patreon or anything
Speaker 4: like that. I just want to stick with Instagram, so
Speaker 4: hopefully a subscription, but yeah, we'll just see what happens.
Speaker 4: Maybe employees that can help me post more content and
Speaker 4: moderate the comments.
Speaker 3: Is there a lot of cheating kind of messages that
Speaker 3: you get, like of influencers or like partners cheating and
Speaker 3: then they'll send it to you to kind of be like,
Speaker 3: I'll send it to Amber and the hopes that she
Speaker 3: kind of gets.
Speaker 1: It out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Definitely. Pretty much every influencer relationship. I get sent, Oh,
Speaker 4: this person's cheating on this person, and I'm like, where's
Speaker 4: the proof, And they're like, oh, my friend's friends, cousin
Speaker 4: they told me. I'm like, yeah, okay, not.
Speaker 2: Posally sent actual proof like messages or anything like that.
Speaker 4: I've never received that seen from any of my boyfriends.
Speaker 4: Absolutely not. Michael is not cheating on you.
Speaker 2: When you said every influencer, I'm not surprised by that
Speaker 2: at all, are you? No? I like, yeah, I've.
Speaker 3: Definitely seen people out and thought if someone takes a
Speaker 3: photo of you right now, this is a very compromising position,
Speaker 3: and I can only imagine that you would be the
Speaker 3: person who people are like, let's send it straight to
Speaker 3: influence her updates.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that has happened her husband. Yeah, I was told
Speaker 4: that he was in a very compromising position with women
Speaker 4: on a night out or something. But I think that
Speaker 4: people forget that influencers are generally quite charismatic, Like they've
Speaker 4: got the confidence to talk to people. They're very social people.
Speaker 4: They're surrounded by people that you want to get to
Speaker 4: know them, and that doesn't mean that they're cheating just
Speaker 4: because they're being nice to people.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you did get proof that someone's claims were confirmed,
Speaker 3: would you report on it?
Speaker 4: Oh? Probably?
Speaker 2: Would Would you tell the person first before you reported,
Speaker 2: or would you just report straight away?
Speaker 4: I wouldn't tell them first, But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's a tricky one. Yeah, I definitely want.
Speaker 2: Updates. You're like, hang on, what's this? I don't know.
Speaker 4: I feel like I always feel like influencers don't actually
Speaker 4: view my content, Like I forget, like there's sixty thousand followers,
Speaker 4: I forget. I feel like I'm just posting to like
Speaker 4: my friends, Like what you were saying before, I know
Speaker 4: about how they forget that their children are being exposed
Speaker 4: to all these people.
Speaker 2: You do see what you're tagged in and everything like that.
Speaker 3: I think that I'm going to say that everything you've
Speaker 3: ever posted about anyone, they've seen it. Yeah, and they've
Speaker 3: probably read every single comment or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've seen it on their burner account. It's being
Speaker 2: sent to them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even if they've blocked you, I feel like they're
Speaker 3: still seen get sent to them, sent to.
Speaker 4: Be conscious of. Even like tonight, Matte, when you were
Speaker 4: messaging the link for the zoom chat, I was like
Speaker 4: reading our past history. I'm like, you mentioned Matt in
Speaker 4: your story. You mentioned in the story they.
Speaker 2: See that, but I didn't see what they were because
Speaker 2: they abvious see what You've still seen them. You do
Speaker 2: see it. It comes up.
Speaker 3: So do you worry that you're going to develop anxiety
Speaker 3: from this high kind of anxious type of role that
Speaker 3: you're in.
Speaker 4: I haven't worried about it at all so far, but
Speaker 4: now I'm worried.
Speaker 2: So stealing anxiety to She's like, no one gets away
Speaker 2: without it.
Speaker 3: It's just it's only because sometimes like certain things do
Speaker 3: trigger anxiety and that and I are like we are
Speaker 3: like hyper anxiety sufferers. So I think I'm always like
Speaker 3: worried about people's anxiety, which is why my question to
Speaker 3: you before was like, how's your anxiety?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think that I've got to like because
Speaker 4: people often ask about my age being thirty four, and
Speaker 4: they're like, you know, why do you even care about influences?
Speaker 4: But I think that my age is important because I
Speaker 4: need to have like a certain strength I guess to
Speaker 4: be able to report this stuff and not take on
Speaker 4: the hate and not get anxious about it. But yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe Anna, you're projecting your anxiety. I think it's working.
Speaker 1: I'm going to take it all back. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to project.
Speaker 2: Why don't we go the other way around? How Ambler
Speaker 2: gives you like the chill with no anxiety.
Speaker 4: The way my advice there is that if somebody has
Speaker 4: a problem with you, it is their problem, not yours.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: Well. That's an amazing note to finish on Ambler. Thank
Speaker 3: you so much for this interview. It's been really interesting
Speaker 3: chatting with you, finding out what you do, and we
Speaker 3: will keep watching and getting our info from influencer updates.
Speaker 4: Sounds good and I'll add you to close friends. Thanks
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