WEBVTT - BEHIND INFLUENCER UPDATES 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.640 I want the fairy tale, I want the prince charming. 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:05.960 She how do I put this? Isn't a fan of 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:07.320 my kissing style. 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:11.080 Boyfriend and girlfriend for about twelve hours. He's in a 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:13.840 trash bin. He's non recyclable. Catching her up. 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:17.200 I love being love, I love love. 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.280 On today's episode of Where's Your Head At, we are 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:23.919 sitting down with Amber Paul, who runs the wildly popular 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:26.880 influencer updates au Instagram account. 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:28.920 We will be asking her what it is like to 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:31.880 run an accounts such as this, how she gets her goss, 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.920 ask her about her most juicy stories, and also find 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:37.440 out her thoughts on cancer culture and online buoying. 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:41.400 We will also ask her why she thinks influencers should 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.640 be held to accounts for their actions and whether we 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:46.600 set our expectations of. 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:47.440 Them too high. 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:48.400 Stay tuned. 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:55.720 Where's Your Head At is a podcast that talks all 0:00:55.840 --> 0:01:01.120 things relationships, breakups, reality TV, trending shows, and everything in between. 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:04.120 This is your new go to destination for laughs, gossip, 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:10.240 intimate details, advice, and much more. 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:13.559 Hi Amba, Welcome to the podcast. 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:15.920 Hianna, Hi Matt, thanks for having me. 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:17.400 Hey, thank you for jumping on. 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.120 Yeah, we're so excited to have you here. We have 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.319 so many burning questions. 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.040 I'm excited to be here. I'm a bit starstruck. Love 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:29.080 Island alumni are. 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:30.200 Saying before, you're a big fan of Love Island. 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:30.840 I am. 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:33.760 Yes, even to the point you remembered what Anna was 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:34.800 wearing when she walked in. 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.520 Even I've forgotten that Anna was a pink girl. She's 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:39.640 wearing pink today. 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:41.399 Wears your head up. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:42.200 Yep. 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:43.520 It's to be very young mum. 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:45.960 So you have kids at home, so thank you for 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:47.520 making the time to do this. 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:50.200 That's okay. So my husband's got them at the moment, 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.840 he's taken them for a drive. And yeah, I don't 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:54.400 know if I'm a young mom. I'm thirty four. 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:58.200 Definitely a young Definitely, I'm thirty one. 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:01.840 And when I become a mom up until like even 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:03.280 when i'm forty, I'll be a young mum. 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:06.040 Yeah, that's what I say. I won't be looking at 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:09.360 fatherhood until long past thirty four at this point. 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:14.240 Yeah. Well yeah, anyway, Obviously, the first question that I 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:17.480 just wanted to ask you was because obviously you run 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:23.680 influencer Updates. It's a very popular gossip Instagram page. 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:24.480 Would we say. 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.839 That I prefer to call it a news account. When 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:29.639 people ask me what do I do, I say, it's 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.720 a news account. I feel like his account, yeah, because 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.120 I don't just do gossip. Like it's not just rumors, 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:38.680 it's actual updates of I'm doing a lot of reposting 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:40.480 what the influencers are posting themselves. 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.480 Yeah. Yeah, I've been following you for a while. 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:47.400 I think, I, actually this is so random, but you know, 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:52.040 attis Paul. He was following you and then I for 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.160 some reason looked at who he was following and I 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:55.880 found you, and I was like, oh, that's interesting. 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:56.800 I'm going to follow along. 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:00.160 And I've been following every since, and it is very interesting. 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.120 I mean, we obviously are very into pop culture with 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:07.919 the podcast, so it's definitely it's good to keep up today. 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.320 And it's good to follow because I have spoken about 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:11.800 both of you on the account before. 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:17.080 That was our next question, what have you said about 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:21.240 Anna or myself on your podcast on your Instagram? 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:23.679 Well, Matt, funnily enough, you were actually one of the 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:25.800 first videos I ever did, back when I was doing 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:26.760 TikTok videos. 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:27.480 There you go. 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.520 Yeah, your relationship with Kira that was big news at 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:32.840 the time. 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:38.400 Yes, yes, yes, take a trip to memory lane. I'll 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.120 have to go back and have a look at that one. 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:43.480 Yeah, two and a half years ago that account started. 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:45.640 Yeah, okay, so you started on TikTok and then you 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:48.240 moved to Instagram or yeah. 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.480 So it was my sister Kayla. She's the owner of 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:55.400 Tribe Skincare. So yeah, yeah, I don't know if you 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:56.320 know the brand. 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.920 Yeah absolutely, yeah, Oh that sounds for Meal. 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:01.480 Yeah, you'd know Edge. 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.920 Yeah, yeah, it's popular on Instagram and TikTok as well. 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.160 But so she'd had a bit of experience with TikTok 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.800 and she encouraged me to start on there and taught 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.520 me how to use it, just because like the algorithm, 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.440 like it favors new accounts, whereas like if you were 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.400 to start an Instagram with no followers, like they're not 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.040 going to show your video to anyone. 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:22.000 Yeah, totally. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.680 It quickly grew to about seventy thousand followers within about 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:29.400 a year. And that's when I made the switch to Instagram, 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:31.599 just because I could be more interactive with people, like 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:35.000 doing q and a's and the polls, and yeah, just 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:37.560 a lot more. I could do videos and static posts 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:38.760 a lot more flexibility. 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.880 So what was your first post to kind of go viral? 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.400 First one to go viral? Well, I suppose the very 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.920 first post I ever did. It was about ash Mesher. 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:54.080 There's the Mesha twins. They're famous influencers, and she had 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.680 just had a breast augmentation and I simply posted, you know, 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.960 his her information she's had a breast augmentation before and after. 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:03.919 And yeah, as I said, that was the first video 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.839 I ever did, and it got about fifty thousand views 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:09.200 in just a day, and that's when I was like, Okay, 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.239 there's people that actually want to view this content. 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:18.080 Yeah, absolutely, it's very popular. It's definitely people love to 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:19.800 hate influencers. 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.720 Right, Definitely love to hate. 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:25.880 Do you get would you say that people hate more 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:29.239 than love toward, like when they're like sending you gossip 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:30.000 and things like that. 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.040 Yeah, definitely. And I think that a lot of people 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:36.440 they want my account to be very negative and calling 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:40.000 influencers out and holding them accountable for their mistakes. But 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.240 it's definitely not why I started the account. I started 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.719 it because I love influences that I love pop culture, 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.680 and yeah, I want to post the good things as 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:50.320 well as the scandalous things. 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.799 So do you have a lot of people sending stuff 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:56.560 into you and then like gossip that they like they 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:58.960 don't really have proof on. Like somebody might say, like, 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:00.760 you know what I mean, I saw this, I saw that. 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:04.200 Will you not post it unless you have evidence of 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:05.599 that action or whatever? 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.520 Yeah, so just for defamation reasons, Like I can't really 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.440 just go off a rumor, although I mean I can 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:14.960 sometimes I do like blind items where I'll blank out 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.760 the name and post a rumor and people have to 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:19.720 guess who it is. A lot of the time it's 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:20.839 pretty easy to guess. 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:23.520 I've just back to us. 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:26.040 Have we ever been one of them? Because there was one, 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.480 so I won there was one. I remember. I think 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:29.680 you sent it to me where I sent it back 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:31.160 to you, where we were like, fuck, that's me. 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:37.240 To me. That might have been. There's been a lot 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.280 of them over the years. It's hard to remember, but 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:41.640 you'd probably remember better than me, especially if it was 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:42.159 about you. 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.559 It was maybe a year a year ago or something, 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:47.520 and I was like, fuck, that's awfully close, Like I've 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:47.840 done that. 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:51.200 Okay, probably you. 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:53.880 What's been your juiciest story to break? 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:58.880 Could you say the juiciest I suppose relationships are always 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:02.880 the biggest story. People love knowing relationships as well as friendships. 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:06.920 But yeah, yeah, so I remember, like probably a year ago, 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.960 I had been getting like a lot of different I 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:15.320 suppose tips and stuff about Tammy Hembro and her fiance 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:19.680 Matt Poul just different things like that didn't seem quite right, 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.280 and then when I looked at it and put it 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.080 all together, I was like, oh, I think they've actually 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.480 broken up. And so I put it together as a 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:30.640 TikTok video, just like a one minute video, and then 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:32.720 like the media got hold of it and they were 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.120 like posting about it on news sites, and that one 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.920 went pretty viral, and unfortunately it was true, but they 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.840 hadn't broken the news themselves yet. So yeah, that one 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:45.119 was pretty unfortunate. But yeah, that's probably the Mard case. 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.800 Do you do you ever feel bad that like you're 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.920 doing that before they've like had the chance to post, 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:52.920 or they've probably had a grieving time and they want 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:53.560 their privacy. 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.680 Do you feel I probably should feel bad. I don't know, 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.920 Like I just I feel like because I'm posting public information, 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:05.280 like it's only stuff that they've posted themselves. It's not 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.320 like I was posting that based on a tip off 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:11.840 or anything. But yeah, it's tricky. I suppose like you've 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:14.160 got to be careful what you do post about people, 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:16.040 make sure you're not upsetting anyone. 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.480 Yeah, I was about to say. 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:23.080 Yeah, definitely. There's been a few just like dms of 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:25.400 get this off your page, or I'm going to send 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:29.480 you a season desist, or this is defamation, which I 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.480 know very well the defamation laws in Australia and the 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.560 things I'm posting are not defamation. But if it's going 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:37.920 to upset them that much, like I'm going to take 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:39.920 it down or I'll at least turn off the comments. 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:40.880 Yeah. 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.360 So there's been things that you've posted in the past 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:47.160 where people have asked your influencers have asked you to 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.000 take it down, and you have taken it down. 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:53.520 Yeah, definitely. Like even Emma Isaacs, she's the owner of 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:58.120 business Chicks. Just recently her ex husband posted like a 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.679 series of stories about an unnamed person and they were 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:05.800 less than flattering, and I just assumed that was about 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.280 his ex wife, Emma, and so I put together a 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.720 post saying, you know, Roman Isaacs has made this post 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:15.080 about his ex wife Emma Isaacs and she contacted me 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.319 and was like, you know, this is defamatory. You can't 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:19.720 put my name on this, like it's not about me 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.200 and it's not true, which I agree with her, like 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.760 in hindsight, I you know, I posted it very quickly 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.760 because I was like, this is exciting information, and then 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.120 I took that one down because yeah, she was like, 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:31.880 you know, I will have to send you a legal 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:33.280 letter if you don't take this down. 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.040 Yeah. Do you know what's interesting is Arachon like there's 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:37.440 a lot. 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:39.800 Of influencers out there that I've never heard of, but 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:43.479 you seem to know them all, like yeah. 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:45.560 Like ever like posts about people and I'm like, who 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:46.080 is this? 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:48.800 And then I like look them up and I'm like, oh, okay, 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:50.959 this is like you know someone in this space or 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:51.520 that says. 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.440 But I mean, you're so all over it. 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.319 How do you say so all over the growing number 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.880 of influencers in Australia. 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:02.480 I suppose. So that's why this is a niche account, 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.360 because yeah, they're the sort of people that I'm reporting 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:06.960 on that aren't going to be reported on in the 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.679 mainstream media usually. I mean you too, as ex reality 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.560 are definitely reported in the mainstream media. But most of 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:17.320 the people aren't, and I suppose it's just consuming the 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:20.120 content myself. Like I consume a lot of social media 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:24.240 content because it is something I enjoy. And then yeah, 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:28.000 I've been following influencers since I don't know, maybe twenty 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:31.880 thirteen when Instagram sort of started picking up. And yeah, 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.360 I've got a really good memory too, so I remember 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.559 a lot of the things that influencers have posted over 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:37.000 the years. 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.920 Do you work with other kind of like I know 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:43.480 that you would say that you're in news kind of page, 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.679 but there's definitely other gossip pages. Would you kind of 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:49.600 collaborate with them on information or do you talk to 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:50.280 any of them? 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.920 Yeah, definitely, So I mean in DMS, we talk a 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:55.959 lot behind the scenes, So a lot of the things 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.160 that I post, like I said, I try to be 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:01.920 a NewsPage. So if somebody me something I don't know 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.800 trying to like, it might be that like an influencer 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:08.480 hasn't strapped their child into a child seat properly, and 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:11.240 people are very triggered by that, and that's not the 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:13.160 sort of content that I would post. So I might 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.960 be like, oh, here's some content that I was sent. 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:17.160 If you want to post it and you can. 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.760 That's that's more likely. There's other pages that do that 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.880 sort of stuff, which is more like that cancel culture 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.320 negative vibes, which I like. Yeah, I hate that sort 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:27.760 of stuff. 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:30.280 Yeah, yep, and I try to stay away from that 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.320 as well. Like as I said, I run this account 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.559 because I like influencers. I'm not trying to call them out. 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:38.280 Yeah, a lot of gossip sites, with the exception of 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:42.160 a couple, are anonymous. You, on the other hand, have 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.800 put your face to the page. What made you decide 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:47.920 to do that and not keep it anonymous. 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.800 Well, I'm really not sure why everyone is anonymous. I 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.480 guess they share their opinion a lot more than me, 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.520 whereas my account's not really an opinion account. As I said, 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:01.319 I'd try to keep it more factual. But I do 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.960 find that if I do share my opinion, I get 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:07.000 sent a lot of dms like disagreeing or attacking me, 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:10.080 and a lot agreeing as well with the opinion. So 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.320 I think that that's probably why they stay anonymous, because 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.520 they're sharing their opinion and they just don't want to 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:16.160 get that hate. 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:20.840 Yeah, you posted something recently actually on Influencer Updates saying 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.840 that you're taking a step back from the page. 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:25.240 What made you do that? 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.000 There was a tipping point? And yeah, going back to 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.400 the legal letter question, there was a legal letter that 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.560 I received just recently. This was my first legal letter 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:40.559 that I have received. And so last Wednesday, I reposted 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:44.040 somebody else's content. So they had made a video calling 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:48.560 out Karina Irby for photoshopping her photos. And she's like 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:52.760 a body positive influencer and talks about not photoshopping, and 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:58.920 he had proof that she indeed photoshopped her photos, right, Yeah, definitely, 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.720 And she ended up admit that, yes, she had photoshopped 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:06.240 the photos, right. But she was very upset at the time, 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.360 I suppose, and asked me to take the video down. 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.800 And I was sort of like, well, no, this is 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.480 online anyway, like you know, people are going to see 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:19.160 it regardless of whether I post it. And then she 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:20.839 was like, you know, I'm going to send you a 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.120 legal letter to take it down. And as I said, 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.560 people have said that to me before and nothing happens. 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:29.160 But she actually followed through and two days later, on 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.240 Friday night, I received a knock on my door and 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.400 was served with my first legal letter. 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:38.160 Is that a scary moment. 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.719 Oh, I wasn't scared. I don't know how they got 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.800 my address. But I also don't mind, like I live 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:48.680 in Geelong in just like the suburbs, Like I've got 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.560 no reason that anyone would ever come here. So yeah, 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.160 I'm not too worried about that. But I did speak 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:54.720 to a lawyer. 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:55.720 You have a lawyer. 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:59.040 I don't have a lawyer as such, but I contacted 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.080 a lawyer and they said to me, like for free. 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:04.280 They said to me, you know, the letter that you've 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.839 been sent has no legal grounds, like you haven't done 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.080 anything wrong, so just reply to them saying that you 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.920 know you've taken the video down and that's the end 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:14.680 of it. So that's what I did, and I haven't 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.880 heard back, so yeah, I mean, I didn't want to 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:19.600 upset her, and it's sad that it came to a 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:21.520 legal letter. But I can see what I did wrong. 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:25.640 Yeah, yeah, me, And even just hearing this gives me anxiety. 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:27.960 So I don't know how your anxiety is dealing with this. 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:30.120 Do you suffer from anxiety? 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:34.440 No, I don't, luckily, which is uncommon to hear these days, 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:35.600 like so many people do. 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:40.200 Yeah, I've got I've got like secondhand anxiety for you, 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.800 just thinking about someone knocking on my door with like 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:43.800 legal documents. 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.680 When I got served, I was actually pretty funny to 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:50.280 have you been served? Yeah? For the court case. I 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:55.000 was like, they like, does Matsakowski live here? I'm like, NOx, like, no, no, 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:56.480 he said. I was like, and I looked at my 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:00.600 roommate and I was like, I'm probab shouldn' my mate's 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:04.920 name on here? Yeah? Cut that. Why do you think 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.040 your followers love your content so much? 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.960 I think that it's a guilty pleasure really, Like, like 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.920 I said before, people love to hate influencers, So I 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:18.560 think it's the influencers. They seem like normal people, like 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.920 they're relatable, but people get a bit jealous that they 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:25.800 seemingly do no work and yet seemingly get a very 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.160 high income, and that really upsets people. 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:28.920 Yeah. 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.480 Do you do you believe that influencers do no work 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:33.520 or is. 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:35.520 That definitely not? 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:36.560 Yeah? 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.160 Yeah, I know that it's a marketing thing, like they 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:43.120 work in marketing essentially, work in sales, work in market Absolutely. 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.880 What type of posts would you put up that get 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.000 the most love from your followers? 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:54.080 Yeah, I definitely still think relationships they're always the most popular, 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.760 and then there's certain people, like the bigger influencers, Like 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:01.400 people love Tammy Hembro content and they love Anna Paul, 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.920 so adas Paul's sister Anna. Yeah, I was. 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.640 Gonna say, is there a relation there because your last 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:08.360 name is Paul. 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:09.880 Yeah. 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:13.600 Well, I've never actually told this story online, but my 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:20.720 surname is not actually Paul. That's just like my stage name. Well, 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.760 to play on words, because Anna Paul is a huge influencer, 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.200 and so I made my name aber Paul. 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:28.920 Like how you make it like a poor name or something. 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.840 No, but it's more that, like, because I do have children, 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.400 I didn't want people knowing the surname of my children. 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.000 And also my husband's name is Paul. That's where I 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:39.680 get the Paul from. 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:41.760 Oh that's awesome. 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.280 Yeah, how does your husband feel about this? 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:48.160 Because obviously, I mean, I feel like women are very 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:51.120 much into kind of like following influences stuff, but I 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.120 feel like guys don't really get it as much. 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.240 Yeah, he doesn't get it at all. Sometimes, very rarely, 0:16:57.320 --> 0:16:59.960 I'll share with him a post that's been really popular 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.400 and he'll be like, I just don't get it. Do 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:06.760 people actually care about that? Why? 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:08.560 A lot of my A lot of my mates don't 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:12.240 even follow influences then, and me be the closest thing 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.760 that they have to actual influencer following, Like they don't 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:16.080 they wouldn't follow a single influence. 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.960 I'm sure they follow some like hot girls. 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:23.480 Maybe yeah, but probably not to buy, Yeah, some products. 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:25.639 But yeah, I know what you mean, Like it's not 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:26.240 like a thing. 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.439 Yeah, it's not a thing. Yeah, they're not really waiting 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:30.760 for the next goss about them. 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.840 Yeah. Yeah, there's definitely a target market. And I find 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.199 that most of my followers are between twenty five and 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:37.520 thirty five and female. 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:38.000 Yeah. 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.040 Yeah, just looking at their Instagram analytics. 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:41.159 Similar to us. 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:46.840 Yeah, I guess. 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.399 Do you ever worry that you are contributing to like 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:53.120 online bullying or trolling? I know personally for me, I 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:57.480 was once posted on celebrity spell check for breaking lockdown 0:17:57.960 --> 0:17:58.800 with your ex. 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.400 I literally did not sleep for three nights. 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.159 I had to take sleeping tablets because I was like 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:08.600 so anxious. Everyone was blowing me up saying I'm a 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.000 terrible person. I was like, I live alone, I'm like 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.120 so like stressed out about all of this, and like 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.080 no one really seemed to care. It was like you're evil, 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:19.760 go die like. 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.760 It was more full and that's the culture that's built 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.800 around that Instagram, and that. 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:25.440 Is the culture. 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.920 So do you worry that you are contributing to that 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.320 type of like stress on people. 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.760 Yeah, I definitely do worry about it, and I know that, 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.679 like the comment section of my posts is something that 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.000 I'm still not really sure what I need to do 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.840 with it going forward. So you mentioned before how I'm 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.119 taking a bit of a step back. So part of 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.160 that is, well, the legal letter is partly what triggered it, 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.560 but also yeah, not knowing what to do with the 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.520 comment section because I find like some posts I'll get 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.800 six hundred comments and it's not something that I can 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.359 moderate myself, like it's just way too much. Like I 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.680 need to spend more time making more content. And yeah, 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:06.399 I do worry that influencers will read the comments. A 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.439 lot of influencers have blocked me, which is probably for 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.960 that reason. But yeah, like I don't want to contribute 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:17.199 to bullying, but I definitely assume I do, which I 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:18.040 don't like that. 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:21.040 There's settings, isn't there on Instagram where you can filter 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.399 out certain words and it hides them. 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.760 Yeah, and to be honest, like, we kind of understand 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:28.280 where you're coming from because. 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:29.520 We had a video. 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:33.560 We had Harry Jowsey on our podcast and we had 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:37.560 a video up of him and that went very viral 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:41.080 for all of the wrong reasons. There was like thousands 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:44.680 of comments, and I was we we didn't. 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:46.160 Do We both started deleting something. 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:48.639 We started deleting comments, both of us at once, and 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.040 then we ended up switching off the comments. And it's 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:55.880 just like it is and yeah, and people do get 0:19:56.200 --> 0:20:00.159 so low and disgusting, and it's it's scary because I 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:03.399 can only imagine being a person who's reading like that 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:04.560 amount of hate. 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:07.720 And especially like you said, you were receiving threats and 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:09.760 you were living alone, Like that's really scary. 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:15.639 Yeah, yeah, yeah, something Well. 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:18.119 I had both of them blowing my phone off, you 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.600 and Kira blowing my phone off about it. 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:22.320 Was it your fault? 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:24.760 Mat, Oh, my fault. 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:28.399 If you guys had just stayed together, she wouldn't have 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:29.520 come to my house. 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:32.600 Yeah, into that line. 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.240 I actually did see you posted something about Math's X 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:37.120 the other. 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:40.600 Day, yes, yeah, just basically that she was rude to 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.520 somebody in a cafe. Yea, yeah, yeah, but again, that 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:47.439 story was unverified, but I posted her name knowing that 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:49.960 it's not really defamatory, like saying that she was rude 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:51.880 to someone in a cafe. That's not going to lose 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:52.840 her work or anything. 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:53.720 Yeah. 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:57.280 Yeah, Kira is a very hot topic on the page. Actually, 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:00.440 people are very interesting ask more. 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:07.120 Questions about that. Sorry, in what way is she hot topic? Oh? 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:11.040 Just that she's always drama surrounding her. I suppose that's 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:13.880 why normal people and they're held to a standard higher 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:17.359 than what you would hold any of your friends or yourself. Yeah, 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.000 and yeah, it's just not I guess it's not going to. 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.199 Work some of the stuff. But like some of the 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:24.720 slip ups, like you're saying before, weren't strapped into like 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:27.199 a chair, a baby chair properly. Like as long as 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:30.760 they were strapped in, I don't see the problem. Like, no, 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:33.359 people are just so savage on this sort of stuff. 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.119 Do you know what scares me about having children is 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:39.960 all of like the people online who come from mums. 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:42.879 I just think it's like horrific. I think that's like 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:45.680 a whole different level. Because if someone's coming for you, 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:46.520 that's one thing. 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:47.880 But when people are. 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:52.560 Well, they're coming out like they're judging like every single 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.000 thing you do. Like I remember some I think it 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:58.600 was like Chloe Zepp was getting in trouble online because 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:01.440 she kissed her baby on the lips. Apparently that's really 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:03.560 bad and blah blah blah. 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:06.200 Yeah, and the people that are saying that, I'm sure 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:07.200 they do it themselves. 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:11.439 Yeah, what's like the who's got the who gets the 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:12.240 worst hate? 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:13.600 From what you've seen? 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:17.320 I can definitely think of two stories recently. They're not 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:21.080 mum shaming, but they were a bit like cancel culture stories. 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:21.800 Yeah. 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:26.040 So Sophia beg So for dofa, she's a Melbourne girl, 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:29.400 but she now lives in Sydney. I think so recently, 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:31.760 she dressed up as a Stingray for a fancy dress 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:35.040 party and her friend was going as Steve Irwin as 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:38.159 like a duo costume, and she posted on TikTok and 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:41.920 the internet blew up about that, saying that it's extremely insensitive. 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:44.840 And she was two at the time that Steve was killed, 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:52.320 so she wasn't really around cracky. Yes, the Internet was 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:54.199 very quick to call her out on that, and she 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:57.280 did apologize, and that one blew over pretty quickly. 0:22:57.600 --> 0:23:00.480 Go to like a like an inappropriate party or something. 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:02.760 You people have those parties. 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:05.520 Well, she didn't mention that it was that, but maybe 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:07.000 it was that would make a lot of sense. 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:10.359 Actually, then, yeah, I didn't even think about that because 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:12.600 I did see that and I was like, that's not okay. 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:15.240 But yeah, as you said, if she's two at the time, 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:18.280 she probably laugh about it. 0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:20.639 Though everyone knows that you don't go for Steve Irwin 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:26.359 from that. He's like a legend of Australia. 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:28.160 Sure, what's the other one that you. 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:28.359 Were going to? 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:31.920 Well, in contrast to that, like people forgave Sofa dofa 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:35.240 very quickly. But in contrast to that, Emma Clair she 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:40.199 recently launched a new podcast called Simply Chaotic, and she 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:42.280 only had a baby a few weeks ago, and the 0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:44.480 launch of the podcast tied in with the birth of 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:47.639 her baby. It was around the same time and on 0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:51.080 her debut episode, she admitted to having killed two cats 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:55.360 as a child and her co hosts were laughing about it, which, yeah, 0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:58.560 it was pretty horrendous, and the feedback to her was, 0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:01.560 you know, that's not okay, And instead of removing the 0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:05.040 episode or apologizing, she doubled down on it and said, 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:07.639 you know, people need to lighten up, and that she's sorry, 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:11.200 not sorry, and yeah, so then pretty quickly brand started 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:15.080 dropping her from their partnerships, and then she issued a 0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:18.560 formal apology, which was pretty irrelevant at that point because 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:21.960 she had originally doubled down on it. And since then, yeah, 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:24.520 she's expressed that she's pretty upset that the brands did 0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:28.480 that and that they were considered friends to her, and yeah, 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:31.639 she's sort of she's still saying that the story was 0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:34.960 twisted as well, so yeah, people aren't really forgiving her 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:35.480 for that one. 0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:39.840 For more contexts, did she say how she killed these cats? 0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:42.879 She said that one was when she was nine and 0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:46.680 she swung it around and it died of fright. And 0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:49.119 one of them was when she was about seventeen and 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:51.520 it was her best friend's cat and she accidentally hit 0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:55.240 it in her car. That is full on, full on. 0:24:55.600 --> 0:24:58.240 I can't believe that people would be laughing about that 0:24:58.480 --> 0:24:59.320 in the podcast. 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:03.480 Yeah, they luckily got away with it, pretty scott free 0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:07.760 the co hosts, but emmaclair has although her following has increased, 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:10.159 I think people want to see the drama, but in 0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:13.440 terms of her jobs, it seems to have been canceled. 0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:16.240 How do you think the best like, what's the best 0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:19.919 way for an influencer to deal with a scandal? 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:20.680 Would you say? 0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:24.600 Yes, I was thinking about this recently because there's been 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:27.320 quite a few scandals going on, even I like DJ 0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:30.080 Tiger Lily. I don't know if you saw she didn't 0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:34.800 add for Peter and it referenced the First Nations people 0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:39.680 and having the babies taken from their mothers. Yes, I 0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:42.520 think that the best thing to do is take a 0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:45.879 bit of time, Like, don't react immediately, because that's a 0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:48.320 bit of a problem. Like people react immediately and they 0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:51.480 don't say what they should be saying. If that makes 0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:55.359 sense because they haven't had time. Yeah, exactly, so I 0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:57.200 think that they need to take a bit of time, 0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:01.119 take in all of the feedback, and then yeah, like 0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:04.480 maybe make a donation to a relevant charity. That's a 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:06.800 really popular thing people have been saying that they should 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:12.240 be doing, and genuinely say sorry and mean it. Yeah, 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:15.439 don't say sorry I offended, You say like sorry I 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:16.320 did something wrong. 0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:17.520 Yeah. 0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:20.080 Yeah, that's I think that's the key things. 0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:20.920 Absolutely. 0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:24.879 So, you think the influencers, if they kind of handle 0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:29.399 the situation right, they can make amends, they apologize for 0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:32.879 their behavior, then they can still continue kind of. 0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:39.919 Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, there's more news tomorrow that will overshadow 0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:40.840 today's scandal. 0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:45.200 Yeah that's it. Yeah, that's literally like her thing was 0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:47.560 in it for like a hot minute and then she 0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:49.600 deleted her Instagram and she's back now. 0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:52.919 Yeah, well that's a good example of what you should do. 0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:55.919 So she took time, and yeah, everyone feels that she 0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:59.959 is sorry for what she did. Yeah, breaking the lockdown, 0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:02.040 that's what she did. 0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:06.119 Is there certain people who you kind of stay away 0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:09.600 from reporting on because I have noticed that there are 0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:12.840 like maybe some kind of like hot topics and maybe 0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:14.840 you won't report on it. Is there like a line 0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:17.760 where you're like, I'm not going to report on ABCD. 0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:22.040 There's definitely like photos that I won't post. Like recently, 0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:26.399 Ruby Tuesday Matthews, she had her son in a photo 0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:29.800 shoot and his pants were slung extremely low and a 0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:32.520 lot of people said that the photo was sexualizing her 0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:35.800 five year old. So like, I wanted to report on this, 0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:38.359 but I didn't want to show the photo and only 0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:44.800 like encourage or encourage spreading this image. Also Denny styled 0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:47.240 by Denny I'm not sure if it's her name. He 0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:50.920 has been expressing a lot of mental health issues recently, 0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:53.920 and people are constantly asking me for updates with him. 0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:56.800 But I don't want to be the final straw, Like 0:27:56.840 --> 0:27:58.560 I can see that he's in a bad place and 0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:01.960 I don't want to po something and then he gets 0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:04.680 a comment from that, and then you know that really 0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:05.720 upsets him. 0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:06.320 Yeah. 0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:09.399 So yeah, it's kind of case by case. But a 0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:11.359 lot of people tell me that I'm a suck up 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:15.280 to influencers. Really yeah, well. 0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:17.520 I was thinking that you've built such a brand for yourself, 0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:21.560 you're almost an influencer yourself. Now I would say, I. 0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:23.320 Mean, if you were such a suck up, you wouldn't 0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:25.960 be you wouldn't have so many blocks from influence. 0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:26.919 Yeah. 0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:29.439 I get really upset when they block me, like Martha 0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:32.680 Khalipatitis from that she blocked me the other day and 0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:38.280 she's one of my favorite influencers, so it's really sad. Well, 0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:41.440 when you block somebody, it blocks any other accounts that 0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:44.320 they make, So I have to go on my husband's Instagram, 0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:47.560 which it's a bit desperate. 0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:50.120 Honestly, your husband's account cannot get out. 0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:55.320 Oh yeah, And I've given his name away today. That's yeah, 0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:59.240 that's a problem. But yeah, I suppose that's the content 0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:01.600 that I don't like to post, and no I don't. 0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:04.640 I don't really see myself as an influencer. But maybe 0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:07.479 that's because I don't do paid content. But I do 0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:09.880 have a paid membership that I do where people can 0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:12.680 pay like twenty dollars and they sign up and then 0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:15.360 they get access to extra stories for twenty twenty three. 0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:18.640 Yeah, I did see that, and I was very tempted 0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:19.120 to join. 0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:20.840 I'll add you. 0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:25.440 So what what sort of stories would you add in 0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:27.800 there then that you don't put on your normal thing? Yea, 0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:28.400 nor feed. 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:32.640 I suppose it's more casual sort of stuff, like when 0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:35.000 I post something to the grid, it's because I know 0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:38.360 it's going to be a big story, whereas, yeah, the 0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:43.680 stories are more like casual sort of posts, like, oh, 0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:45.960 what's an example of something I posted today? Oh? Yeah, 0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:49.600 like fashion week outfits? So like I posted a few 0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.320 of the Sydney Fashion Week outfits to stories, whereas I 0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:54.200 probably wouldn't do a grid post about that. 0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:56.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah fair enough. 0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:58.280 Yeah, So linking bio to. 0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:01.840 Get that, yeah, blinking by to get that and that's 0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:04.400 all I'm posting on at the moment because that break 0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:07.760 that I'm taking. It's just that I was getting hundreds 0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:11.560 of dms per day, especially when I was posting big stories, 0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:14.160 and it honestly just takes hours, Like I need to 0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:16.680 reply to everybody because that's how I get the majority 0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:19.440 of my content is three dms, so I have to 0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:22.320 open it to see if it's more content, and then 0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:24.800 it's just taking way too long. And yeah, as I said, 0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:27.400 I've got two children, so I've really just got to 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:30.240 step back a bit and decide where I want to 0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:33.120 focus my time, and the paid membership is where I 0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:34.240 want to focus it at the moment. 0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:36.520 Would you ever think of having a podcast? 0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:42.040 Yeah, definitely. There is a really great podcast outspoken. It's 0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:46.600 Cood and it's by three girls, Triplets, and they cover 0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:48.920 a lot of the same content as me, and I 0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:51.600 was actually on their podcast recently for an interview and 0:30:51.960 --> 0:31:03.160 that's my favorite podcast. Sorry guys, that's. 0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:02.160 What you do and that's yeah. 0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:02.680 Yeah. 0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:08.200 They did a huge piece on Sarah's Day. What do 0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:10.880 you think of that? Because I thought that was quite shocking. 0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:13.080 When I saw the video, I was like, oh my god, 0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:16.520 it's like very like in your face, like flond Like 0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:20.640 it felt like a takedown. It was so Sarah's day. 0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:23.120 She was like she is, would you say is a 0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:27.040 huge influencer? Yeah, definitely, And they kind of did like this. 0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:29.680 I don't know, maybe it was just the video, but 0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:30.480 it was very. 0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:33.480 Like I think it was just the snippet. They had 0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:36.120 like very dramatic music over the top, like it was 0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:38.080 a bit click baby, but. 0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:39.240 It was very clickbaby. 0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:43.000 Yeah, and like even Sarah's husband, Kurt, he did respond 0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:46.720 to it on TikTok and said, yeah, okay, this is weird, 0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:49.000 like you'll be hearing from our lawyers, which I don't 0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:52.440 believe they ever did, because they didn't actually say anything tofametry. 0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:56.040 Of course, they are journalists, like they've been to union 0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:58.719 everything and used to work for Channel seven H. But 0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:02.440 I think think that, yeah, the snippet made it seem 0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:05.040 a lot more negative than what it was. It was 0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:09.200 actually like more of a biography about her life, like 0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:11.960 the positive and the negative things. 0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:13.680 Right, Yeah. 0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:15.920 Yeah, they call it a deep dive series. 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:18.840 Yeah, deep dive on influencers. 0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:22.680 Yeah, they picked particular ones and go through their scandals 0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:25.800 and yeah, just how they became famous. 0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:30.360 Really do you think that people do hold influencers Obviously 0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.800 we've we said that people hold influencers to a high 0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:36.400 standard and we love to hate them. Do you think 0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:41.400 the standard is too high and can it ever change? 0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:45.440 Yeah? It probably is a bit high. But then I 0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:50.240 suppose we don't want influencers promoting like illegal sort of things. 0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:53.080 Like there's been a lot of influencers that get canceled 0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:57.680 or get I guess some scrutinized for their illegal drug 0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:00.480 use like that happens quite a lot. And also a 0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:03.320 really big one lately is their use of solariums and 0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:07.880 even just sun tanning, like that's becoming very scrutinized because 0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:12.400 obviously the link to skin cancer. People don't like lines off. 0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:16.080 Yeah, I even feel like I'm judging people with tan lines. 0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:17.280 I'm like, get out of the sun. 0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:19.560 Yeah. I saw someone today and I was like geez, 0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:21.640 I was like, I wouldn't. Yeah, it's pretty full. Launch 0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:22.920 had full ten lines. 0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:25.280 We like with fake ten. Here where's your head out? 0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:26.400 For? 0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:27.480 All about that photo? 0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:29.160 And I don't remember last time I laid in the 0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:30.760 sun or was in the sun to be fair. 0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:32.600 Yeah, we like literally hate the sun. 0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:35.040 Yeah, I mean maybe it's an age thing as well, 0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:37.840 Like it's probably the younger influences that are still into 0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:39.240 the selarios, but they're so. 0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:42.320 And they've got to remember that they're posting their stuff 0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:45.840 to younger audience as well. So my eighteen year old 0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:47.640 sister still goes in the sun and I'm like, you 0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:50.640 don't like, don't like it becomes my age you realize 0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:51.640 not to go into the sun and. 0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:53.800 All I know. And when you're that age, you listen 0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:55.720 to older people say that and you're like, oh, you're 0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:58.640 such a loser. Yeah. 0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:03.640 Yeah, So where does responsibility of the influencers kind of 0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:04.560 start and end? 0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:04.840 Then? 0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:08.719 Would you say, I suppose it also depends on their audience, 0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:11.520 Like yeah, if it is a predominantly younger audience, they 0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:14.920 probably have a lot more responsibility. And there's also been 0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:18.759 a lot of scrutiny recently about exploitation of children. So 0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:21.400 like there's a lot of family blogging channels like Sarah's 0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:25.440 Day and she features her children in that very heavily, 0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:28.520 and yeah, it's like where does the responsibility start and end? 0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:31.480 They're like, should she be showing her children at all? 0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:34.640 Or are they are they considered to be working children? 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:38.280 Like it's a tricky topic because there's no legalities around 0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:39.040 it at the moment. 0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:42.600 What's your opinion, I don't know. 0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:46.280 Like, like I said, I even have a fake surname 0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:49.120 because I don't want people knowing my child's surname. Whereas 0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:52.640 with these big influences, we know their full name, their 0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:55.480 full date of birth, what schools they go to, where 0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:58.120 they go on the weekends, like where their holiday houses are. 0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:00.600 It's pretty scary how much we do who know about 0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:01.200 these children? 0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:03.920 Do people say something like, well, the children has no 0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:05.719 choice whether they get posted or not. 0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:07.000 A child, Yeah, I. 0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:09.080 Have no choice. You're sort of just posting it. 0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:11.560 Yeah, ex touf one. 0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.600 I've thought about it so much, just thinking like like 0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:16.000 what is the right thing to do? 0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:18.600 I guess so like you could when you have to 0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:20.920 sign release forms in that you get your parent too 0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:22.360 if you're underage. 0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:24.439 But then. 0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:28.840 It's like a personal account though, right, So it's like 0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:30.920 it's so tricky. 0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:33.279 But is it a personal account when you've got one 0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:34.719 point two million followers? 0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:36.839 Maybe not. 0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:37.640 It's quite public. 0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:41.440 I mean in your mind you would still think of 0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:43.879 it as your personal account, yes, yeah, because you think 0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:46.600 of your followers as your friends. Almost, So it's like, 0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:50.200 like what is the mindset behind it? Like, yeah, you 0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:52.200 don't want to be like putting your kids to work 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:55.719 like little puppets, like okay and go, but you. 0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:56.200 Know what I mean? 0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:58.480 And like that has come out before, Like there's been 0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:01.440 behind the scenes videos where people literally are saying that 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:02.160 to their children. 0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:03.320 Really. 0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:06.920 Yeah, so it is all just part of the brand. 0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:14.359 Who's the mummy influencer Indy Clinton? Her kids are very 0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:15.840 much a part of her socials. 0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:16.839 What do you think about that? 0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:21.640 Yeah, well, I suppose her children, Navy and Bambi. I 0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:24.160 know all the names of the children. That's what I'm saying. 0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:29.400 Everybody knows these things. Yeah, Navy is a very energetic 0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:32.440 I think he's about two. He's a very energetic two 0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:35.880 year old. And yeah, she receives a lot of interesting 0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:40.560 comments based on his behavior and her parenting of that behavior. 0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:45.479 But I don't know, Like, yeah, it's very entertaining, that's 0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:48.080 for sure. Like people watch her channel because they like 0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:49.840 to see her children and they like to see the 0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:53.600 way she parents. And yeah, I don't know where would 0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:55.799 these people be if they didn't show their children on 0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:56.440 social media. 0:36:56.680 --> 0:36:58.560 Yeah, I just don't get it. I would never comment 0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:05.720 on the way someone parents or something. It's just something 0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:08.279 that you just don't. Isn't that something you just. 0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:12.920 Don't We're not parents, so like but yeah, I mean, 0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:15.360 like just focus on your own but you're parent, do 0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:18.359 you do you find yourself more judgmental of seeing other 0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:21.480 people parent because you don't. 0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:25.759 But also I've never received judgment But I think that's 0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:28.560 because I'm not being watched by one point two million people, 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:30.440 like I keep saying one point too, except how many 0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:35.120 followers Sarah's Day has, right, But yes, I suppose it's 0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:37.520 it's a numbers thing, Like when these people have so 0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:40.480 many followers, there's going to be those few people, and 0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:43.239 it's always the negative people that are the loudest. So 0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:46.360 when someone's criticizing you, if a hundred people compliment you 0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:48.600 and one criticizes you, that's the one you notice. 0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:51.279 So absolutely, Yeah. 0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:53.800 So maybe there's not really that many people judging their parenting, 0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:55.680 but it's just that that's what stands out to them 0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:56.799 and what triggers them. 0:37:57.160 --> 0:38:01.239 Yeah, we mentioned before how Astralia love to jump on 0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:05.440 the hate of influencers and reality TV people. Do you 0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:07.879 think there's a bit of like tall Poppy syndrome about it. 0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:11.760 Oh yeah, definitely. Like I said, the tall Poppy syndrome 0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:14.640 is that people are jealous that these people seemingly do 0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:17.480 nothing for a lot of money, like when they're posting 0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:19.719 that they're whining and dining every day and wearing a 0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:23.000 different outfit and then they're getting paid for it, whereas 0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:25.920 with the cost of living crisis, like people are out 0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:30.239 here working minimum wage jobs and struggling to pay the mortgage, 0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:33.160 and they think that the easiest way to deal with 0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:36.560 that jealousy is to tear down an influencer rather than 0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:39.280 looking at how they can improve their own life. 0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:39.920 Yeah. 0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:41.960 Yeah, It's kind of like when someone has a bad 0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:43.759 day and you're on the road and they're like road 0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:44.680 raging everyone. 0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:46.680 You're like, what have I done wrong? 0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:48.920 So, yeah, that's a good way of putting it. So 0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:51.560 they're literally coming home and they're angry at their situation, 0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:53.680 so they take it out. But then again, like we 0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:56.240 don't understand the effort that goes into that sort of stuff, 0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:59.400 like with influencers, and like the thought of about it 0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:01.239 and what they have to do and the actual work 0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:02.640 that goes into that sort of stuff. 0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:04.120 Yeah, definitely, I. 0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:06.960 Personally am so grateful for like the opportunities I get 0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:09.080 with that sort of stuff as well. So they don't 0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:09.960 realize that either. 0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:13.440 Yeah, and I'm sure you too would know that, like 0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:16.560 taking a photo is not as simple as taking a 0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:20.200 photo when you're marketing a product. It's not like you 0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:25.920 just yeah exactly, Yeah, all the back and forth admin 0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:27.320 behind the scenes as well. 0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:31.440 And absolutely I do laugh at the ones when they 0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:33.480 get people though. This is something that makes me laugh 0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:37.759 when they copy and paste the accepted caption and because 0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:40.719 I've been so close to it so many times, yeah, 0:39:40.960 --> 0:39:43.840 so many times. Yeah, fu, you got to get rid 0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:44.640 of that. Yeah. 0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:48.480 Do you think some influencers are a bit out of 0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:51.960 touch with reality because they do get big kind of 0:39:52.040 --> 0:39:52.880 lump sums. 0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:56.720 Definitely, and especially when it does come to promoting a product, 0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:59.160 like they all say, you know, I only promote what 0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:02.359 I love and what I genuinely use. But I mean, 0:40:02.400 --> 0:40:04.600 if I was getting a seven hundred dollars dice and 0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:07.080 air wrap for free, of course I'm going to love it. 0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:10.160 Whereas like if you're paying seven hundred dollars for that 0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:11.840 and that's like a week's pay, You're going to be 0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:13.320 much more critical of that product. 0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:14.319 Absolutely. 0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:19.800 Yeah, I think that a lot of influencers should promote 0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:23.399 what they feel comfortable promote what they actually do. Say 0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:25.880 to you is absolutely yeah, I think that should be something. 0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:29.000 But I've said yes to collaborations before and I didn't 0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:30.640 like the product and then I said. 0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:34.279 No, Yeah, I've turned down yes as well. Yeah that's 0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:35.320 not me. Yeah. 0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:39.480 Absolutely. What's the future of influencer updates? 0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:42.839 Yeah, well, I'm not really sure. Like I said, I'm 0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:46.120 trying to think about now what's the future of influencer updates? 0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:49.319 But I noticed that, like Instagram, they brought in a 0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:52.719 subscription model a few months ago. They were trialing it 0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:57.720 in Australia and that's now launched here. But they've also 0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:01.240 just recently announced it. There's a whole heap of rules 0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:04.120 of regarding the subscription, like you can't post certain content 0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:07.160 behind the paywall, like you can't do giveaways things like that. 0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:10.239 So I don't know. I think that I'm going to 0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:13.040 keep going with the close Friends membership for now, where 0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:16.600 people they just pay on PayPal. But yeah, I would 0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:19.120 like to do some sort of subscription in the future, 0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:21.279 but I just don't want to move away from Instagram, 0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:23.440 Like I don't want to go to Patreon or anything 0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:25.640 like that. I just want to stick with Instagram, so 0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:29.160 hopefully a subscription, but yeah, we'll just see what happens. 0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:32.000 Maybe employees that can help me post more content and 0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:33.400 moderate the comments. 0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:37.920 Is there a lot of cheating kind of messages that 0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:41.759 you get, like of influencers or like partners cheating and 0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:44.200 then they'll send it to you to kind of be like, 0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:46.239 I'll send it to Amber and the hopes that she 0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:47.120 kind of gets. 0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:47.399 It out there. 0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:51.239 Yeah. Definitely. Pretty much every influencer relationship. I get sent, Oh, 0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:54.160 this person's cheating on this person, and I'm like, where's 0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:56.600 the proof, And they're like, oh, my friend's friends, cousin 0:41:56.800 --> 0:41:59.600 they told me. I'm like, yeah, okay, not. 0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:05.840 Posally sent actual proof like messages or anything like that. 0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:11.000 I've never received that seen from any of my boyfriends. 0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:15.720 Absolutely not. Michael is not cheating on you. 0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:23.680 When you said every influencer, I'm not surprised by that 0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:29.359 at all, are you? No? I like, yeah, I've. 0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:31.120 Definitely seen people out and thought if someone takes a 0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:33.760 photo of you right now, this is a very compromising position, 0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:36.840 and I can only imagine that you would be the 0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:39.560 person who people are like, let's send it straight to 0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:40.680 influence her updates. 0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:44.719 Yeah, that has happened her husband. Yeah, I was told 0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:47.040 that he was in a very compromising position with women 0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:49.200 on a night out or something. But I think that 0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:53.600 people forget that influencers are generally quite charismatic, Like they've 0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:56.720 got the confidence to talk to people. They're very social people. 0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:59.600 They're surrounded by people that you want to get to 0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:02.319 know them, and that doesn't mean that they're cheating just 0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:03.760 because they're being nice to people. 0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:04.600 Yeah. 0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:09.440 Yeah, if you did get proof that someone's claims were confirmed, 0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:10.520 would you report on it? 0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:11.560 Oh? Probably? 0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:15.640 Would Would you tell the person first before you reported, 0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:17.480 or would you just report straight away? 0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:21.680 I wouldn't tell them first, But yeah, I don't know. 0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:26.040 It's a tricky one. Yeah, I definitely want. 0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:31.560 Updates. You're like, hang on, what's this? I don't know. 0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:36.640 I feel like I always feel like influencers don't actually 0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:40.200 view my content, Like I forget, like there's sixty thousand followers, 0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:42.520 I forget. I feel like I'm just posting to like 0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:45.000 my friends, Like what you were saying before, I know 0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:47.720 about how they forget that their children are being exposed 0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:48.520 to all these people. 0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:50.960 You do see what you're tagged in and everything like that. 0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:53.879 I think that I'm going to say that everything you've 0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:57.600 ever posted about anyone, they've seen it. Yeah, and they've 0:43:57.600 --> 0:43:59.880 probably read every single comment or something. 0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:02.719 Yeah, they've seen it on their burner account. It's being 0:44:02.760 --> 0:44:03.319 sent to them. 0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:06.200 Yeah, even if they've blocked you, I feel like they're 0:44:06.239 --> 0:44:10.359 still seen get sent to them, sent to. 0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:13.160 Be conscious of. Even like tonight, Matte, when you were 0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:16.520 messaging the link for the zoom chat, I was like 0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:19.680 reading our past history. I'm like, you mentioned Matt in 0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:23.240 your story. You mentioned in the story they. 0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:25.120 See that, but I didn't see what they were because 0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:28.719 they abvious see what You've still seen them. You do 0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:29.759 see it. It comes up. 0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:35.080 So do you worry that you're going to develop anxiety 0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:39.160 from this high kind of anxious type of role that 0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:39.600 you're in. 0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:42.400 I haven't worried about it at all so far, but 0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:43.360 now I'm worried. 0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:49.799 So stealing anxiety to She's like, no one gets away 0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:51.080 without it. 0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:54.400 It's just it's only because sometimes like certain things do 0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:57.719 trigger anxiety and that and I are like we are 0:44:57.760 --> 0:45:01.239 like hyper anxiety sufferers. So I think I'm always like 0:45:01.320 --> 0:45:04.960 worried about people's anxiety, which is why my question to 0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:08.160 you before was like, how's your anxiety? 0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:11.640 Yeah, well, I think that I've got to like because 0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:14.360 people often ask about my age being thirty four, and 0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:16.480 they're like, you know, why do you even care about influences? 0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:19.560 But I think that my age is important because I 0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:23.240 need to have like a certain strength I guess to 0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:25.360 be able to report this stuff and not take on 0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:29.120 the hate and not get anxious about it. But yeah, 0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:33.200 maybe Anna, you're projecting your anxiety. I think it's working. 0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:35.160 I'm going to take it all back. I'm not trying 0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:35.600 to project. 0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:37.520 Why don't we go the other way around? How Ambler 0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:46.920 gives you like the chill with no anxiety. 0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:50.040 The way my advice there is that if somebody has 0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:53.520 a problem with you, it is their problem, not yours. 0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:54.439 I love that. 0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:56.160 I agree with that. 0:45:56.400 --> 0:45:56.919 I love that. 0:45:57.040 --> 0:45:59.719 Well. That's an amazing note to finish on Ambler. Thank 0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:03.000 you so much for this interview. It's been really interesting 0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:05.680 chatting with you, finding out what you do, and we 0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:10.240 will keep watching and getting our info from influencer updates. 0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:17.600 Sounds good and I'll add you to close friends. Thanks 0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:18.560 to talk Scene